Bradford Bulls squad left stunned by Craig Kopczak departure ahead of season-ending loss in France

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Elliott Whitehead felt Craig Kopczak had “done the dirty” on his team-mates after the Bulls’ play-off hopes were ended by a 50-26 Super League defeat in Perpignan on Saturday.

Home-grown Wales prop Kopczak withdrew from the squad to face Catalan Dragons after terminating his contract with the Bulls.

He looks certain to have played his last game for the club and could now join Huddersfield Giants, although a bitter legal wrangle lies ahead.

Whitehead, speaking after the Bulls’ first-ever away defeat to Catalan, had no problem with the player’s decision to leave but felt his colleagues deserved to have been told by Kopczak himself.

He said: “To be honest, I think he’s done a bit of a dirty on us really. Fair enough for what he’s actually done but I just thought he would have told the boys before he did it and explained his reasons.

“Instead, he did it on the quiet. None of us even knew about this until we got on the plane on Friday. Then everyone started discussing it among the group.

“It would have just been nice if he had let the boys know because we would have understood a bit better.”

The build-up to Saturday’s game was completely overshadowed by the sudden departure of 25-year-old Kopczak, who is under contract to Bradford until the end of 2013 but opted to resign when the club’s takeover went through.

The player’s agent, Martin Shuttleworth, confirmed Kopczak had taken legal advice, drawing on legislation used in the recent Rangers case, namely the Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) regulations 2006 (TUPE).

Shuttleworth said: “Craig was notified by the joint administrators by letter dated September 3, 2012 that his playing contract had transferred with effect from August 31, 2012 to OK Bulls Ltd.

“He then served notice on the administrators that he objects to the transfer of his employment under the relevant TUPE legislation.

“The net effect of having served the notice is that he is deemed to have resigned with effect from August 31, 2012 and his employment with the club is automatically terminated.”

Bulls coach Mick Potter, who all but ruled himself out of the running to succeed the departing Trent Robinson at Catalan, said: “The player didn’t tell me. His manager told me that he’d withdrawn his services and terminated his contract.

“It’s another disappointing episode in this saga, which has gone on for far too long.

“The timing was bad but there is no good time to go into administration and you can track it back to that and how the administrator handled himself.

“You’re beyond blaming anyone – Koppy has done what is right for himself. He’s made a decision and it’s heading down a track which is going to be legally fought.

“Koppy is still on the up as a player and could now reach his potential at another club, which isn’t a good thing for the Bradford fans.”

Significantly, Potter said he expected his own future to be decided early this week and admitted several more of the 17 out-of-contract players could find clubs elsewhere.

Catalan’s victory over the Bulls at the Stade Gilbert Brutus secured fourth spot and a trip to Wigan in the play-offs on Friday.

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8:40am Mon 10 Sep 12

bartsbull says...

The RFl need to get there finger out now and let the clubs new owners start to put our club back together

It as gone on to long players will leave but we need to know as a club if we are to play out our super league licenese for the next two years and re apply like every one else

I would like to thank all the players and staff who have given there all in these hard times credit to them all.

I would hope when this mess is sorted out some stay with the blessing of the new owners
The RFl need to get there finger out now and let the clubs new owners start to put our club back together It as gone on to long players will leave but we need to know as a club if we are to play out our super league licenese for the next two years and re apply like every one else I would like to thank all the players and staff who have given there all in these hard times credit to them all. I would hope when this mess is sorted out some stay with the blessing of the new owners bartsbull

8:45am Mon 10 Sep 12

Van Bellen's Baby says...

Interesting snippet from a legal website on the TUPE rules.

'If your conditions of work have been worsened by the transfer , you have the right to terminate your contract and claim unfair dismissal on the grounds that actions of the employer have forced you to resign. You cannot make this type of claim solely on the grounds that the identity of their employer has changed unless that change is significant and to your detriment;'

Taken from http://www.netlawman
.co.uk/info/transfer
-undertakings-guidan
ce-employees.php
Interesting snippet from a legal website on the TUPE rules. 'If your conditions of work have been worsened by the transfer [of ownership], you have the right to terminate your contract and claim unfair dismissal on the grounds that actions of the employer have forced you to resign. You cannot make this type of claim solely on the grounds that the identity of their employer has changed unless that change is significant and to your detriment;' Taken from http://www.netlawman .co.uk/info/transfer -undertakings-guidan ce-employees.php Van Bellen's Baby

8:54am Mon 10 Sep 12

Correctness says...

Van Bellen's Baby wrote:
Interesting snippet from a legal website on the TUPE rules. 'If your conditions of work have been worsened by the transfer , you have the right to terminate your contract and claim unfair dismissal on the grounds that actions of the employer have forced you to resign. You cannot make this type of claim solely on the grounds that the identity of their employer has changed unless that change is significant and to your detriment;' Taken from http://www.netlawman .co.uk/info/transfer -undertakings-guidan ce-employees.php
Looks like he has everything on his side and perhaps the other two (only) reasonable players in the side should consider the same. No doubt the others will now be thinking strongly about what to do after eceiving far more than they are worth. Hope the new 'owners' have a littl more in them than to go down the 'Harris' line.
[quote][p][bold]Van Bellen's Baby[/bold] wrote: Interesting snippet from a legal website on the TUPE rules. 'If your conditions of work have been worsened by the transfer [of ownership], you have the right to terminate your contract and claim unfair dismissal on the grounds that actions of the employer have forced you to resign. You cannot make this type of claim solely on the grounds that the identity of their employer has changed unless that change is significant and to your detriment;' Taken from http://www.netlawman .co.uk/info/transfer -undertakings-guidan ce-employees.php[/p][/quote]Looks like he has everything on his side and perhaps the other two (only) reasonable players in the side should consider the same. No doubt the others will now be thinking strongly about what to do after eceiving far more than they are worth. Hope the new 'owners' have a littl more in them than to go down the 'Harris' line. Correctness

8:59am Mon 10 Sep 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

The way various players and staff have been treated during admin is probably the main reason many want to leave. I wouldn't point the finger at any player who felt this way, the blame lies elsewhere.
The way various players and staff have been treated during admin is probably the main reason many want to leave. I wouldn't point the finger at any player who felt this way, the blame lies elsewhere. Thee Voice of Reason

9:00am Mon 10 Sep 12

Spanishbob19 says...

It sounds like he has done everything right within TUPE. whilst it sounds like he is doing a dirty on Bradford, he has a right to protect his future and if he doesn't want to work for the new company, fair play. I agree that the RFL need to get their act together and make a decision so that the Bulls can get on with their planning. never mind the farce of a mini licencing process to make themselves appear fair, just give them the nod for Superleague and get on with it. (im a fax fan)
It sounds like he has done everything right within TUPE. whilst it sounds like he is doing a dirty on Bradford, he has a right to protect his future and if he doesn't want to work for the new company, fair play. I agree that the RFL need to get their act together and make a decision so that the Bulls can get on with their planning. never mind the farce of a mini licencing process to make themselves appear fair, just give them the nod for Superleague and get on with it. (im a fax fan) Spanishbob19

9:15am Mon 10 Sep 12

flashdonut says...

Kopzcak is bound to lose this case. His conditions have not altered. Just a new boss. Telling Kopzcak the Bulls will be based in Dover or Liverpool next season will give him reason to. But he is getting paid, doing the same job and at the same location. You can not scrap a contract because you do not like the new owner. The Bulls situation is different to Rangers.
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Plus, the Players have been paid. All this tripe about the players this and the playrs that. They are the only ones not out of pocket. teh coaching staff are working for free, admin staff are on teh dole, the fans are coppering up everywek.
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Kopz should have had some basic decency and handled this a lot different. Respect is something you earn - and lose. I hope he rots in the 18's next season.
Kopzcak is bound to lose this case. His conditions have not altered. Just a new boss. Telling Kopzcak the Bulls will be based in Dover or Liverpool next season will give him reason to. But he is getting paid, doing the same job and at the same location. You can not scrap a contract because you do not like the new owner. The Bulls situation is different to Rangers. . Plus, the Players have been paid. All this tripe about the players this and the playrs that. They are the only ones not out of pocket. teh coaching staff are working for free, admin staff are on teh dole, the fans are coppering up everywek. . Kopz should have had some basic decency and handled this a lot different. Respect is something you earn - and lose. I hope he rots in the 18's next season. flashdonut

9:18am Mon 10 Sep 12

Tricky Dicky says...

I think there is more mileage in this than first meets the eye. If Craig has officially been informed that his contract is to be rewritten then, of course, he is protected by legislation but, as far as I am aware, the players' existing contracts will be honoured up to the end of the season. Obviously, Craig must feel his job conditions and security will worsen next year as, assuming the Bulls stay in SL, I do not see a move to Huddersfield as an improvement in playing options. Huddersfield are on the slide and I believe they will struggle to maintain a top eight finish next year. Financial realities will soon come home to roost down there, as well. Good luck to you Craig but I think you should have given OK Bulls a chance and certainly seen out the season with them.
The Bulls are caught between a rock and a hard place, at the moment, with the dithering and procrastination from Red Hall. The mini-licencing procedure is silly and foolish as Halifax, Featherstone and Leigh have had no adequate preparation for it. Do the RFL want another Widnes? Two years in preparation and still end up as the whipping boys with the wooden spoon. Improvement may come but only as long as their "sugar daddy" is prepared to support it. The plight of the Bulls is being played out nationally and the RFL have not been shown as having their finger on the pulse of the sport and acting professionally, fairly orexpediently.
I think there is more mileage in this than first meets the eye. If Craig has officially been informed that his contract is to be rewritten then, of course, he is protected by legislation but, as far as I am aware, the players' existing contracts will be honoured up to the end of the season. Obviously, Craig must feel his job conditions and security will worsen next year as, assuming the Bulls stay in SL, I do not see a move to Huddersfield as an improvement in playing options. Huddersfield are on the slide and I believe they will struggle to maintain a top eight finish next year. Financial realities will soon come home to roost down there, as well. Good luck to you Craig but I think you should have given OK Bulls a chance and certainly seen out the season with them. The Bulls are caught between a rock and a hard place, at the moment, with the dithering and procrastination from Red Hall. The mini-licencing procedure is silly and foolish as Halifax, Featherstone and Leigh have had no adequate preparation for it. Do the RFL want another Widnes? Two years in preparation and still end up as the whipping boys with the wooden spoon. Improvement may come but only as long as their "sugar daddy" is prepared to support it. The plight of the Bulls is being played out nationally and the RFL have not been shown as having their finger on the pulse of the sport and acting professionally, fairly orexpediently. Tricky Dicky

9:29am Mon 10 Sep 12

Old Dave says...

If Ihe RFL grant us a SL place then he has no legal leg to stand on. Rangers players dropped 3 divisions and could argue that their futures were effected.
The players were paid (albeit late on acouple of occasions), to avoid such a situation.
Kopczak has done the dirty on his mtes and Im glad Elliot has called a spade a spade, as he could have moved on to a bigger club, as hes twice the player Koppy is!
If Ihe RFL grant us a SL place then he has no legal leg to stand on. Rangers players dropped 3 divisions and could argue that their futures were effected. The players were paid (albeit late on acouple of occasions), to avoid such a situation. Kopczak has done the dirty on his mtes and Im glad Elliot has called a spade a spade, as he could have moved on to a bigger club, as hes twice the player Koppy is! Old Dave

9:33am Mon 10 Sep 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

It's better to let him go. Why pay someone who clearly doesn't want to be there?
It's better to let him go. Why pay someone who clearly doesn't want to be there? Thee Voice of Reason

9:45am Mon 10 Sep 12

mumbyfan says...

Old Dave wrote:
If Ihe RFL grant us a SL place then he has no legal leg to stand on. Rangers players dropped 3 divisions and could argue that their futures were effected.
The players were paid (albeit late on acouple of occasions), to avoid such a situation.
Kopczak has done the dirty on his mtes and Im glad Elliot has called a spade a spade, as he could have moved on to a bigger club, as hes twice the player Koppy is!
just twice? id say 10!

I never really rated him at all, just a lump of a battering ram, but credit where its due he has come on leaps and bounds in the last 2 years.

But does he really think he will improve as a player under Paul Anderson? They migh have played the same position, but he's unproven as a coach, and if they get off to a bad start next year, he'll be the first to go.

Hes obviously looked after himself and his family, but there is no loyalty in sport or business these days and this just proves it.
[quote][p][bold]Old Dave[/bold] wrote: If Ihe RFL grant us a SL place then he has no legal leg to stand on. Rangers players dropped 3 divisions and could argue that their futures were effected. The players were paid (albeit late on acouple of occasions), to avoid such a situation. Kopczak has done the dirty on his mtes and Im glad Elliot has called a spade a spade, as he could have moved on to a bigger club, as hes twice the player Koppy is![/p][/quote]just twice? id say 10! I never really rated him at all, just a lump of a battering ram, but credit where its due he has come on leaps and bounds in the last 2 years. But does he really think he will improve as a player under Paul Anderson? They migh have played the same position, but he's unproven as a coach, and if they get off to a bad start next year, he'll be the first to go. Hes obviously looked after himself and his family, but there is no loyalty in sport or business these days and this just proves it. mumbyfan

9:52am Mon 10 Sep 12

pweibj67 says...

He and Shuddersfield Eagles are laughing in the face of EVERYBODY who helped the Bradford Bulls this year. The coaching staff .. who are out of pocket and have worked for nothing! The Fans who paid our money in the hope we could keep our club afloat! The other players .. who fair enough are not out of pocket but have still battled for the cause! The sad thing is .. this lad is from Bradford and in the past has spoken for his love of the club! ..

Fair enough if we lose our license then i can accept that he wants to play at a higher level ...BUT we have been saved .. he has a contract for another year .. where he will get paid!!!!

I do like Elliot ... he speaks like a supporter and somebody who cares for the club! ... fair enough .. he may move on too .. but at least if he does go the Hull they appear to be doing things in the correct manner .. UNLIKE THAT VILE AND DIRTY CLUB WHO ONLY EXIST DUE TO A DODGY MERGER WITH SHEFFIELD!
He and Shuddersfield Eagles are laughing in the face of EVERYBODY who helped the Bradford Bulls this year. The coaching staff .. who are out of pocket and have worked for nothing! The Fans who paid our money in the hope we could keep our club afloat! The other players .. who fair enough are not out of pocket but have still battled for the cause! The sad thing is .. this lad is from Bradford and in the past has spoken for his love of the club! .. Fair enough if we lose our license then i can accept that he wants to play at a higher level ...BUT we have been saved .. he has a contract for another year .. where he will get paid!!!! I do like Elliot ... he speaks like a supporter and somebody who cares for the club! ... fair enough .. he may move on too .. but at least if he does go the Hull they appear to be doing things in the correct manner .. UNLIKE THAT VILE AND DIRTY CLUB WHO ONLY EXIST DUE TO A DODGY MERGER WITH SHEFFIELD! pweibj67

9:54am Mon 10 Sep 12

theviking62 says...

TVOR, I couldn't agree more. If the don't want to play for Bulls, then let him go . But make sure they get a few. All I can say is good luck to the lad, for the future.
TVOR, I couldn't agree more. If the don't want to play for Bulls, then let him go . But make sure they get a few. All I can say is good luck to the lad, for the future. theviking62

10:01am Mon 10 Sep 12

rick d says...

flashdonut wrote:
Kopzcak is bound to lose this case. His conditions have not altered. Just a new boss. Telling Kopzcak the Bulls will be based in Dover or Liverpool next season will give him reason to. But he is getting paid, doing the same job and at the same location. You can not scrap a contract because you do not like the new owner. The Bulls situation is different to Rangers.
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Plus, the Players have been paid. All this tripe about the players this and the playrs that. They are the only ones not out of pocket. teh coaching staff are working for free, admin staff are on teh dole, the fans are coppering up everywek.
.
Kopz should have had some basic decency and handled this a lot different. Respect is something you earn - and lose. I hope he rots in the 18's next season.
the under 18s dont need him there the most succesfull team at the bulls littered with talent kopzack does not fit the mould just a big lad no skill a ordinary prob. the 18s only beaten once all year liam mcavoy,oliver roberts,curtis naughtan,liam darvile the list goes on these are the future that need securing before other super league clubs take more talent away from the bulls
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: Kopzcak is bound to lose this case. His conditions have not altered. Just a new boss. Telling Kopzcak the Bulls will be based in Dover or Liverpool next season will give him reason to. But he is getting paid, doing the same job and at the same location. You can not scrap a contract because you do not like the new owner. The Bulls situation is different to Rangers. . Plus, the Players have been paid. All this tripe about the players this and the playrs that. They are the only ones not out of pocket. teh coaching staff are working for free, admin staff are on teh dole, the fans are coppering up everywek. . Kopz should have had some basic decency and handled this a lot different. Respect is something you earn - and lose. I hope he rots in the 18's next season.[/p][/quote]the under 18s dont need him there the most succesfull team at the bulls littered with talent kopzack does not fit the mould just a big lad no skill a ordinary prob. the 18s only beaten once all year liam mcavoy,oliver roberts,curtis naughtan,liam darvile the list goes on these are the future that need securing before other super league clubs take more talent away from the bulls rick d

11:45am Mon 10 Sep 12

Hudzilla says...

The big word here is 'morals'.

The club gave this player with a chance to break into SL, he has been payed throughout the whole admin period, and the club now appears secure, he had an active contract.

So why renaig on your contract?

People talking about doing whats best for his family ETC, if he has signed a legal document (Contract) and agreed to see it out (signature), im sorry, but that just stinks.
The big word here is 'morals'. The club gave this player with a chance to break into SL, he has been payed throughout the whole admin period, and the club now appears secure, he had an active contract. So why renaig on your contract? People talking about doing whats best for his family ETC, if he has signed a legal document (Contract) and agreed to see it out (signature), im sorry, but that just stinks. Hudzilla

11:54am Mon 10 Sep 12

mines a pint says...

Van Bellen's Baby wrote:
Interesting snippet from a legal website on the TUPE rules.

'If your conditions of work have been worsened by the transfer , you have the right to terminate your contract and claim unfair dismissal on the grounds that actions of the employer have forced you to resign. You cannot make this type of claim solely on the grounds that the identity of their employer has changed unless that change is significant and to your detriment;'

Taken from http://www.netlawman

.co.uk/info/transfer

-undertakings-guidan

ce-employees.php
Having dealt with a number of transfer of undertakings I would suggest the quote you have lifted from the website does not apply here

Koppy refused to have his contract transfered i.e. he did not want to be employed by the new company.

He is fully entitled to do this & therefore resigned effective of the date that ownership transfered

The quote you have made refers to employees who consider that they would be worse off under the new ownweship

Typically this would mean they are expected to work longer hours, would have a reduction in their remuneration including any benefits paid or that they would be required to travel "substantially" further in order to carry out their employment.

Given that as far as we are all lead to believe there have been no contractual discussions between any employee and OK Bulls ltd it is impossible for Koppy to claim his conditions of work have been worsened

Given this then we are left to speculate & as Garry Tasker stated last week it is unusuall for a player to voluntarily leave a club for another unless he has been offered better terms

I am not sure the Bulls can do anything about Craigs ressignation as I believe TUPE superceeds any clause in an employees contract relating to serving a notice period allowing them to resign with immediate effect

Clearly it would be almost impossible to prove that Huddersfield have breached any RFL anti tamperring laws & so don't really see how we can pursue them for compensation

I fear another Harris Gate in the making I just hope we the club are getting better legal advise than they did with that fiasco otherwise we could be embarking on another costly legal battle we can not win with disasterous results on club finances
[quote][p][bold]Van Bellen's Baby[/bold] wrote: Interesting snippet from a legal website on the TUPE rules. 'If your conditions of work have been worsened by the transfer [of ownership], you have the right to terminate your contract and claim unfair dismissal on the grounds that actions of the employer have forced you to resign. You cannot make this type of claim solely on the grounds that the identity of their employer has changed unless that change is significant and to your detriment;' Taken from http://www.netlawman .co.uk/info/transfer -undertakings-guidan ce-employees.php[/p][/quote]Having dealt with a number of transfer of undertakings I would suggest the quote you have lifted from the website does not apply here Koppy refused to have his contract transfered i.e. he did not want to be employed by the new company. He is fully entitled to do this & therefore resigned effective of the date that ownership transfered The quote you have made refers to employees who consider that they would be worse off under the new ownweship Typically this would mean they are expected to work longer hours, would have a reduction in their remuneration including any benefits paid or that they would be required to travel "substantially" further in order to carry out their employment. Given that as far as we are all lead to believe there have been no contractual discussions between any employee and OK Bulls ltd it is impossible for Koppy to claim his conditions of work have been worsened Given this then we are left to speculate & as Garry Tasker stated last week it is unusuall for a player to voluntarily leave a club for another unless he has been offered better terms I am not sure the Bulls can do anything about Craigs ressignation as I believe TUPE superceeds any clause in an employees contract relating to serving a notice period allowing them to resign with immediate effect Clearly it would be almost impossible to prove that Huddersfield have breached any RFL anti tamperring laws & so don't really see how we can pursue them for compensation I fear another Harris Gate in the making I just hope we the club are getting better legal advise than they did with that fiasco otherwise we could be embarking on another costly legal battle we can not win with disasterous results on club finances mines a pint

11:57am Mon 10 Sep 12

Adeybull says...

What period of notice was CK obliged to give under his contract of employment?
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Would the club not be able to insist that he served that notice period if they so choose?
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Although his agent will know full well that his employer remains Bradford Bulls (Holdings) Ltd and is in no position to proivide him with employment...
What period of notice was CK obliged to give under his contract of employment? . Would the club not be able to insist that he served that notice period if they so choose? . Although his agent will know full well that his employer remains Bradford Bulls (Holdings) Ltd and is in no position to proivide him with employment... Adeybull

11:57am Mon 10 Sep 12

Mumby was the best says...

It is interesting but I do agree with viking and TVOR and he needs to leave if he no longer wants to be there, At least elliot whitehead has waited till the season over so he can now announce his move to the rhinos.
It is interesting but I do agree with viking and TVOR and he needs to leave if he no longer wants to be there, At least elliot whitehead has waited till the season over so he can now announce his move to the rhinos. Mumby was the best

1:11pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Tricky Dicky says...

Adeybull wrote:
What period of notice was CK obliged to give under his contract of employment?
.
Would the club not be able to insist that he served that notice period if they so choose?
.
Although his agent will know full well that his employer remains Bradford Bulls (Holdings) Ltd and is in no position to proivide him with employment...
I was under the impression that Craig's contract was an asset of the former company that was purchased/transferrr
ed to OK Bulls Ltd.If this isn't the case then what did OK Bulls buy? There's not a great deal to buy without players! Please don't tell me that for 150K, Mr Khan purchased only our (3 million pound!!??) hospitality stand?
[quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: What period of notice was CK obliged to give under his contract of employment? . Would the club not be able to insist that he served that notice period if they so choose? . Although his agent will know full well that his employer remains Bradford Bulls (Holdings) Ltd and is in no position to proivide him with employment...[/p][/quote]I was under the impression that Craig's contract was an asset of the former company that was purchased/transferrr ed to OK Bulls Ltd.If this isn't the case then what did OK Bulls buy? There's not a great deal to buy without players! Please don't tell me that for 150K, Mr Khan purchased only our (3 million pound!!??) hospitality stand? Tricky Dicky

1:21pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Sheffieldbull says...

Kopzcak doesn't receive my best wishes for the future. He can 'swivel' as far as I'm concerned. Get ye gone lad if thats a sample of your integrity, and not even had the 'cojones' to face his Coach and teams mates then - shut the door on the way out, your a total disgrace! Hope his new employers 'reap what they sow' - they deserve each other.
Kopzcak doesn't receive my best wishes for the future. He can 'swivel' as far as I'm concerned. Get ye gone lad if thats a sample of your integrity, and not even had the 'cojones' to face his Coach and teams mates then - shut the door on the way out, your a total disgrace! Hope his new employers 'reap what they sow' - they deserve each other. Sheffieldbull

1:39pm Mon 10 Sep 12

theviking62 says...

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Kopzcak doesn't receive my best wishes for the future. He can 'swivel' as far as I'm concerned. Get ye gone lad if thats a sample of your integrity, and not even had the 'cojones' to face his Coach and teams mates then - shut the door on the way out, your a total disgrace! Hope his new employers 'reap what they sow' - they deserve each other.
Sheffield, I agree entirely with what you said. But do wish the lad well. He should remember that. " has you sow, so you shall reap " as you say. As to the behaviour of the Giants, in all this, it is utterly deplorable. Would be interesting to find out when they first approached him. If it was before the deadline, swell it could cost them dearly.
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: Kopzcak doesn't receive my best wishes for the future. He can 'swivel' as far as I'm concerned. Get ye gone lad if thats a sample of your integrity, and not even had the 'cojones' to face his Coach and teams mates then - shut the door on the way out, your a total disgrace! Hope his new employers 'reap what they sow' - they deserve each other.[/p][/quote]Sheffield, I agree entirely with what you said. But do wish the lad well. He should remember that. " has you sow, so you shall reap " as you say. As to the behaviour of the Giants, in all this, it is utterly deplorable. Would be interesting to find out when they first approached him. If it was before the deadline, swell it could cost them dearly. theviking62

1:40pm Mon 10 Sep 12

alfucham says...

The transfer has not even being ratified by the RFL yet.

The timing of OK Bulls purchase was such that in taking the action Kop has he leaves open his options.

There is an assumption that he is tapped.
If he had played this weekend he would have demonstrated acceptance of his new emploter.

Who does not even know if they will compete in SL next year and if they do it will be with a stringent budget.

I think the speculation and conjecture when there still exists so much uncertainty is very unfair.
He may have just taken an action that protects his future options.

One of which may be the Bulls.

Come on RFL stop the dithering.
Here is a player being pilloried from post to post who in all probability has just taken the advice of his advisor in order to keep his options open.

Until I see proof of any other scenario we should all shut up.

THe RFL should have announced last week.But they dither dont they.

Don"t know how much hes on but expect other clubs interest to centre on the home produced lower earners.

Very unsettling period ahead.
Interesting comment re the under 18"s who take all before them.
There is the future.
The transfer has not even being ratified by the RFL yet. The timing of OK Bulls purchase was such that in taking the action Kop has he leaves open his options. There is an assumption that he is tapped. If he had played this weekend he would have demonstrated acceptance of his new emploter. Who does not even know if they will compete in SL next year and if they do it will be with a stringent budget. I think the speculation and conjecture when there still exists so much uncertainty is very unfair. He may have just taken an action that protects his future options. One of which may be the Bulls. Come on RFL stop the dithering. Here is a player being pilloried from post to post who in all probability has just taken the advice of his advisor in order to keep his options open. Until I see proof of any other scenario we should all shut up. THe RFL should have announced last week.But they dither dont they. Don"t know how much hes on but expect other clubs interest to centre on the home produced lower earners. Very unsettling period ahead. Interesting comment re the under 18"s who take all before them. There is the future. alfucham

1:48pm Mon 10 Sep 12

alfucham says...

So his position hs not changed?
Of course it has.He plays for a club with no paid coaching staff acting on a short term goodwill basis.

Who could be here today gone tommorow.

he plays for a club whose position in SL is uncertain.

He plays for a club who has depended on handouts for 4 months in order to pay him.

Perhaps everyone is waiting with baited breath to see if the players are paid for september including the RFL.
Does anyone know when that falls due.

I would imagine it will be OK as Bradford Council had a £400k loan on the table at 5 pc.

Interesting time ahead this week
So his position hs not changed? Of course it has.He plays for a club with no paid coaching staff acting on a short term goodwill basis. Who could be here today gone tommorow. he plays for a club whose position in SL is uncertain. He plays for a club who has depended on handouts for 4 months in order to pay him. Perhaps everyone is waiting with baited breath to see if the players are paid for september including the RFL. Does anyone know when that falls due. I would imagine it will be OK as Bradford Council had a £400k loan on the table at 5 pc. Interesting time ahead this week alfucham

1:49pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Bone_idle18 says...

Correctness wrote:
Van Bellen's Baby wrote:
Interesting snippet from a legal website on the TUPE rules. 'If your conditions of work have been worsened by the transfer , you have the right to terminate your contract and claim unfair dismissal on the grounds that actions of the employer have forced you to resign. You cannot make this type of claim solely on the grounds that the identity of their employer has changed unless that change is significant and to your detriment;' Taken from http://www.netlawman .co.uk/info/transfer -undertakings-guidan ce-employees.php
Looks like he has everything on his side and perhaps the other two (only) reasonable players in the side should consider the same. No doubt the others will now be thinking strongly about what to do after eceiving far more than they are worth. Hope the new 'owners' have a littl more in them than to go down the 'Harris' line.
Not sure what you mean, from that snippet of the rules, it seems he's in the wrong.
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"You cannot make this type of claim solely on the grounds that the identity of their employer has changed unless that change is significant and to your detriment"
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Why would be be worse off under a new owner, seems he's be mis-advised unless there's something we don't know, such as an increase in his hours or a reduction in pay. Both of which have to significant and to his detriment.
[quote][p][bold]Correctness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Van Bellen's Baby[/bold] wrote: Interesting snippet from a legal website on the TUPE rules. 'If your conditions of work have been worsened by the transfer [of ownership], you have the right to terminate your contract and claim unfair dismissal on the grounds that actions of the employer have forced you to resign. You cannot make this type of claim solely on the grounds that the identity of their employer has changed unless that change is significant and to your detriment;' Taken from http://www.netlawman .co.uk/info/transfer -undertakings-guidan ce-employees.php[/p][/quote]Looks like he has everything on his side and perhaps the other two (only) reasonable players in the side should consider the same. No doubt the others will now be thinking strongly about what to do after eceiving far more than they are worth. Hope the new 'owners' have a littl more in them than to go down the 'Harris' line.[/p][/quote]Not sure what you mean, from that snippet of the rules, it seems he's in the wrong. . "You cannot make this type of claim solely on the grounds that the identity of their employer has changed unless that change is significant and to your detriment" . Why would be be worse off under a new owner, seems he's be mis-advised unless there's something we don't know, such as an increase in his hours or a reduction in pay. Both of which have to significant and to his detriment. Bone_idle18

1:51pm Mon 10 Sep 12

alfucham says...

Adeybull wrote:
What period of notice was CK obliged to give under his contract of employment? . Would the club not be able to insist that he served that notice period if they so choose? . Although his agent will know full well that his employer remains Bradford Bulls (Holdings) Ltd and is in no position to proivide him with employment...
Whats the point.
There are no games left.
At least it would save his wages for three months but I bet he is not one of the big earners.

Anyway he may just be protecting his options
[quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: What period of notice was CK obliged to give under his contract of employment? . Would the club not be able to insist that he served that notice period if they so choose? . Although his agent will know full well that his employer remains Bradford Bulls (Holdings) Ltd and is in no position to proivide him with employment...[/p][/quote]Whats the point. There are no games left. At least it would save his wages for three months but I bet he is not one of the big earners. Anyway he may just be protecting his options alfucham

1:52pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Ralphie says...

In todays League Express Blake Solly of the RFL says.
"It appears that Craig may have been approached by another club while under contract to Bradford and we are going to have to investigate.
We would naturally try to uphold Craigs existing registration and contract, and if we find that an illegal approach was made, the RFL directors have the power to refuse to register any new contract."
In todays League Express Blake Solly of the RFL says. "It appears that Craig may have been approached by another club while under contract to Bradford and we are going to have to investigate. We would naturally try to uphold Craigs existing registration and contract, and if we find that an illegal approach was made, the RFL directors have the power to refuse to register any new contract." Ralphie

2:14pm Mon 10 Sep 12

alfucham says...

micks comment is relevant re the administaters role in this.

The timing of the sale which is still not ratified by the RFL is important.

Short notice before the last game.

I am starting to believe the conspiracy theories that noone wanted the Buklls to qualify to extend the season beyond saturday

Not sure what the current legal position is given the takeover is not ratified.

The fact that the players have no further involvment in competition (which potentially could have taken them all the way to a grand final in October) now allows the tough negotiations on all the staffs futures to start to be resolved.

Please note the new company is expected to fund estimated 750k of wages and e4mployers NIC over the next three months and all other operating costs with no income.

The serious planning for 2013 should soon be able to start.

The delay by the RFL may be deliberate in order to leave the players free to untie themselves and in the insolvent position that could also be in the new owner"s best interest.

It becomes more like a game of chess every day.

One thing is certain.
I bet Kop was not one of the £110 grand a year men.
Don"t see them quickly trying to jump ship.

Oh what a mess
Oh what a circus

The last thing the Bulls need is litigation.

Lets hope wherever he ends up the Bulls recover a fee.

Some of the offers that came in during admin were derisory.
5 grand for players with international experience and potential.

Firesale offers.

What a mess still could take three years to get over this.

But success has eluded he club for 7 years anyway so nothing in that respect will change.

Build through the good young uns I would say.
micks comment is relevant re the administaters role in this. The timing of the sale which is still not ratified by the RFL is important. Short notice before the last game. I am starting to believe the conspiracy theories that noone wanted the Buklls to qualify to extend the season beyond saturday Not sure what the current legal position is given the takeover is not ratified. The fact that the players have no further involvment in competition (which potentially could have taken them all the way to a grand final in October) now allows the tough negotiations on all the staffs futures to start to be resolved. Please note the new company is expected to fund estimated 750k of wages and e4mployers NIC over the next three months and all other operating costs with no income. The serious planning for 2013 should soon be able to start. The delay by the RFL may be deliberate in order to leave the players free to untie themselves and in the insolvent position that could also be in the new owner"s best interest. It becomes more like a game of chess every day. One thing is certain. I bet Kop was not one of the £110 grand a year men. Don"t see them quickly trying to jump ship. Oh what a mess Oh what a circus The last thing the Bulls need is litigation. Lets hope wherever he ends up the Bulls recover a fee. Some of the offers that came in during admin were derisory. 5 grand for players with international experience and potential. Firesale offers. What a mess still could take three years to get over this. But success has eluded he club for 7 years anyway so nothing in that respect will change. Build through the good young uns I would say. alfucham

2:21pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Sheffieldbull says...

'alfucham' you certainly offer up a level headed argument and I've tried not to make too many assumptions until we are aware of more detail - Huddersfield has been a Club mentioned but I agree , no one but a handful of people know at the moment. My comments are perhaps more born out of reading Elliott Whitehead's comments. We should not to be to quick to pass off the ethos of Team spirit and camaraderie in Pro Sport, when it's totally disappeared we will all be the poorer,in my humble opinion. Contracts should protect both parties - The Bulls more then most, have suffered, maybe now the boots on the other foot in respect of 'Kopout Craig'
'alfucham' you certainly offer up a level headed argument and I've tried not to make too many assumptions until we are aware of more detail - Huddersfield has been a Club mentioned but I agree , no one but a handful of people know at the moment. My comments are perhaps more born out of reading Elliott Whitehead's comments. We should not to be to quick to pass off the ethos of Team spirit and camaraderie in Pro Sport, when it's totally disappeared we will all be the poorer,in my humble opinion. Contracts should protect both parties - The Bulls more then most, have suffered, maybe now the boots on the other foot in respect of 'Kopout Craig' Sheffieldbull

2:35pm Mon 10 Sep 12

LoyalBull says...

Sheffield Bull yes you got it wrong sadly wrong but hey ho it will be a great week watch this space. By the way Tom told Mick to stick it up his arse great way to finish for him hey or do you diasgree?
Sheffield Bull yes you got it wrong sadly wrong but hey ho it will be a great week watch this space. By the way Tom told Mick to stick it up his arse great way to finish for him hey or do you diasgree? LoyalBull

2:43pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Sheffieldbull says...

LoyalBull wrote:
Sheffield Bull yes you got it wrong sadly wrong but hey ho it will be a great week watch this space. By the way Tom told Mick to stick it up his arse great way to finish for him hey or do you diasgree?
I might if I had a clue what the devil you were talking about ? Care to explain?
[quote][p][bold]LoyalBull[/bold] wrote: Sheffield Bull yes you got it wrong sadly wrong but hey ho it will be a great week watch this space. By the way Tom told Mick to stick it up his arse great way to finish for him hey or do you diasgree?[/p][/quote]I might if I had a clue what the devil you were talking about ? Care to explain? Sheffieldbull

2:43pm Mon 10 Sep 12

alfucham says...

Sheffieldbull wrote:
'alfucham' you certainly offer up a level headed argument and I've tried not to make too many assumptions until we are aware of more detail - Huddersfield has been a Club mentioned but I agree , no one but a handful of people know at the moment. My comments are perhaps more born out of reading Elliott Whitehead's comments. We should not to be to quick to pass off the ethos of Team spirit and camaraderie in Pro Sport, when it's totally disappeared we will all be the poorer,in my humble opinion. Contracts should protect both parties - The Bulls more then most, have suffered, maybe now the boots on the other foot in respect of 'Kopout Craig'
Lets all hope when the future is a bit clearer he stays if hes wanted.

A lot of the commenters on here dont seem to rate the kid.

I completely agree with you re team spirit.
Its value is worth more than any numbers on a players contract.

The T & A are not been helpfull in stirring up dissenting team spirit when noone yet knows the legality clearly behind kops agents move.

Does anyone seriously think a young kid as he is will understand the legal complexities.

I sincerely hope he has not been tapped but Im sure its gone on all summer
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: 'alfucham' you certainly offer up a level headed argument and I've tried not to make too many assumptions until we are aware of more detail - Huddersfield has been a Club mentioned but I agree , no one but a handful of people know at the moment. My comments are perhaps more born out of reading Elliott Whitehead's comments. We should not to be to quick to pass off the ethos of Team spirit and camaraderie in Pro Sport, when it's totally disappeared we will all be the poorer,in my humble opinion. Contracts should protect both parties - The Bulls more then most, have suffered, maybe now the boots on the other foot in respect of 'Kopout Craig'[/p][/quote]Lets all hope when the future is a bit clearer he stays if hes wanted. A lot of the commenters on here dont seem to rate the kid. I completely agree with you re team spirit. Its value is worth more than any numbers on a players contract. The T & A are not been helpfull in stirring up dissenting team spirit when noone yet knows the legality clearly behind kops agents move. Does anyone seriously think a young kid as he is will understand the legal complexities. I sincerely hope he has not been tapped but Im sure its gone on all summer alfucham

2:45pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Capabull says...

Whats so dissapointing in this Kopout affair is his actions. He said he loved this club earlier in the season, now after being paid, unlike the coaching staff and other members of staff, he jumps ship at the first chance. His timing could not have been worse and not having the guts to inform MP, his coaches and fellow players is deplorable. I wonder how much he was influenced by a money grabbing agent who doesn`t show his face or put his body on the line but no doubt will not be bothered when 10000 Bulls fans jeer and shout venom at his money making robot.
He was only a plodder really but he was one of our own, but not now.
Whats so dissapointing in this Kopout affair is his actions. He said he loved this club earlier in the season, now after being paid, unlike the coaching staff and other members of staff, he jumps ship at the first chance. His timing could not have been worse and not having the guts to inform MP, his coaches and fellow players is deplorable. I wonder how much he was influenced by a money grabbing agent who doesn`t show his face or put his body on the line but no doubt will not be bothered when 10000 Bulls fans jeer and shout venom at his money making robot. He was only a plodder really but he was one of our own, but not now. Capabull

2:50pm Mon 10 Sep 12

LoyalBull says...

Sheffieldbull wrote:
LoyalBull wrote:
Sheffield Bull yes you got it wrong sadly wrong but hey ho it will be a great week watch this space. By the way Tom told Mick to stick it up his arse great way to finish for him hey or do you diasgree?
I might if I had a clue what the devil you were talking about ? Care to explain?
I think it is very clear like a few more that were unavailable for selection and it was not down to injuries. Ask Elliot he should know.
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoyalBull[/bold] wrote: Sheffield Bull yes you got it wrong sadly wrong but hey ho it will be a great week watch this space. By the way Tom told Mick to stick it up his arse great way to finish for him hey or do you diasgree?[/p][/quote]I might if I had a clue what the devil you were talking about ? Care to explain?[/p][/quote]I think it is very clear like a few more that were unavailable for selection and it was not down to injuries. Ask Elliot he should know. LoyalBull

3:00pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Sheffieldbull says...

LoyalBull wrote:
Sheffieldbull wrote:
LoyalBull wrote:
Sheffield Bull yes you got it wrong sadly wrong but hey ho it will be a great week watch this space. By the way Tom told Mick to stick it up his arse great way to finish for him hey or do you diasgree?
I might if I had a clue what the devil you were talking about ? Care to explain?
I think it is very clear like a few more that were unavailable for selection and it was not down to injuries. Ask Elliot he should know.
No! not clear at all fella, If your so much in the know why don't YOU tell us, as I'm pretty sure i'll not get the chance to ask Elliott. I'm picking up a whiff of something here.... are you going to give us some more detail?
[quote][p][bold]LoyalBull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoyalBull[/bold] wrote: Sheffield Bull yes you got it wrong sadly wrong but hey ho it will be a great week watch this space. By the way Tom told Mick to stick it up his arse great way to finish for him hey or do you diasgree?[/p][/quote]I might if I had a clue what the devil you were talking about ? Care to explain?[/p][/quote]I think it is very clear like a few more that were unavailable for selection and it was not down to injuries. Ask Elliot he should know.[/p][/quote]No! not clear at all fella, If your so much in the know why don't YOU tell us, as I'm pretty sure i'll not get the chance to ask Elliott. I'm picking up a whiff of something here.... are you going to give us some more detail? Sheffieldbull

3:03pm Mon 10 Sep 12

flashdonut says...

LoyalBull wrote:
Sheffieldbull wrote:
LoyalBull wrote:
Sheffield Bull yes you got it wrong sadly wrong but hey ho it will be a great week watch this space. By the way Tom told Mick to stick it up his arse great way to finish for him hey or do you diasgree?
I might if I had a clue what the devil you were talking about ? Care to explain?
I think it is very clear like a few more that were unavailable for selection and it was not down to injuries. Ask Elliot he should know.
Another know-all journalist. Half a tale, with 'ask Elliot' as the punchline.
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LoyalBull, I urge you to say what 'you know', if anything, to give your comments some worth.
[quote][p][bold]LoyalBull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoyalBull[/bold] wrote: Sheffield Bull yes you got it wrong sadly wrong but hey ho it will be a great week watch this space. By the way Tom told Mick to stick it up his arse great way to finish for him hey or do you diasgree?[/p][/quote]I might if I had a clue what the devil you were talking about ? Care to explain?[/p][/quote]I think it is very clear like a few more that were unavailable for selection and it was not down to injuries. Ask Elliot he should know.[/p][/quote]Another know-all journalist. Half a tale, with 'ask Elliot' as the punchline. . LoyalBull, I urge you to say what 'you know', if anything, to give your comments some worth. flashdonut

3:11pm Mon 10 Sep 12

A N Oldman says...

How can he tell you what he doesn't know, sheffieldbull. Trolls are not noted for their brain power. That was the smell of something, you picked up.
How can he tell you what he doesn't know, sheffieldbull. Trolls are not noted for their brain power. That was the smell of something, you picked up. A N Oldman

3:34pm Mon 10 Sep 12

A N Oldman says...

To all doubters


SALFORD CITY REDS IN HOCK UNTIL 2017

Star date: 7th September 2012

A Salford Star Exclusive

CONTRACT REVEALS SALFORD COUNCIL HAS REDS IN HOCK

Salford City Reds play the last game of the rugby league season on Saturday night against Wakefield at Leigh, having been forced out of the `Salford City Stadium' by new shared tenants Sale Sharks. While this has angered supporters, it is the least of the problems that face the club, according to the terms of the £1million loan contract with Salford City Council.

Full story here…
To all doubters SALFORD CITY REDS IN HOCK UNTIL 2017 Star date: 7th September 2012 A Salford Star Exclusive CONTRACT REVEALS SALFORD COUNCIL HAS REDS IN HOCK Salford City Reds play the last game of the rugby league season on Saturday night against Wakefield at Leigh, having been forced out of the `Salford City Stadium' by new shared tenants Sale Sharks. While this has angered supporters, it is the least of the problems that face the club, according to the terms of the £1million loan contract with Salford City Council. Full story here… A N Oldman

3:42pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Sheffieldbull says...

A N Oldman wrote:
How can he tell you what he doesn't know, sheffieldbull. Trolls are not noted for their brain power. That was the smell of something, you picked up.
Aye A N, beginning to look like your right mate, that whiff appears to have been Troll droppings...
Was very quick to tell me I was wrong, but not what I was wrong about. Pretends 'its' in the know, then clams up when pressed. As 'Flash' says, put up or shut up - very simple really.
[quote][p][bold]A N Oldman[/bold] wrote: How can he tell you what he doesn't know, sheffieldbull. Trolls are not noted for their brain power. That was the smell of something, you picked up.[/p][/quote]Aye A N, beginning to look like your right mate, that whiff appears to have been Troll droppings... Was very quick to tell me I was wrong, but not what I was wrong about. Pretends 'its' in the know, then clams up when pressed. As 'Flash' says, put up or shut up - very simple really. Sheffieldbull

3:52pm Mon 10 Sep 12

murphyslaw says...

It's a shame he has decided to leave but I suspect he was planning this at a time the Bulls were in limbo. I can't help thinking the Bulls should try to understand the turmoil everyone connected to the club has been through and would do themselves as a club a power of good by wishing the lad well rather than trying to hold him to some transferred contract. Stamping feet and hurling abuse at the lad is not the way. Lets just wish him all the best and try to attract others who actually want to play for us?.
It's a shame he has decided to leave but I suspect he was planning this at a time the Bulls were in limbo. I can't help thinking the Bulls should try to understand the turmoil everyone connected to the club has been through and would do themselves as a club a power of good by wishing the lad well rather than trying to hold him to some transferred contract. Stamping feet and hurling abuse at the lad is not the way. Lets just wish him all the best and try to attract others who actually want to play for us?. murphyslaw

4:07pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Sheffieldbull says...

murphyslaw wrote:
It's a shame he has decided to leave but I suspect he was planning this at a time the Bulls were in limbo. I can't help thinking the Bulls should try to understand the turmoil everyone connected to the club has been through and would do themselves as a club a power of good by wishing the lad well rather than trying to hold him to some transferred contract. Stamping feet and hurling abuse at the lad is not the way. Lets just wish him all the best and try to attract others who actually want to play for us?.
I think your confusing 'stamping feet and hurling abuse' with peoples right to pass a comment on the subject Murphy. Are you suggesting that Kopout Craig deserves the same 'best wishes' as say, Brett Kearney or Elliott Whitehead who continued to wear the shirt and take this seasons final knocks in France? (or any of the lads that played, I hasten to add)
[quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: It's a shame he has decided to leave but I suspect he was planning this at a time the Bulls were in limbo. I can't help thinking the Bulls should try to understand the turmoil everyone connected to the club has been through and would do themselves as a club a power of good by wishing the lad well rather than trying to hold him to some transferred contract. Stamping feet and hurling abuse at the lad is not the way. Lets just wish him all the best and try to attract others who actually want to play for us?.[/p][/quote]I think your confusing 'stamping feet and hurling abuse' with peoples right to pass a comment on the subject Murphy. Are you suggesting that Kopout Craig deserves the same 'best wishes' as say, Brett Kearney or Elliott Whitehead who continued to wear the shirt and take this seasons final knocks in France? (or any of the lads that played, I hasten to add) Sheffieldbull

5:28pm Mon 10 Sep 12

murphyslaw says...

Sheffieldbull wrote:
murphyslaw wrote:
It's a shame he has decided to leave but I suspect he was planning this at a time the Bulls were in limbo. I can't help thinking the Bulls should try to understand the turmoil everyone connected to the club has been through and would do themselves as a club a power of good by wishing the lad well rather than trying to hold him to some transferred contract. Stamping feet and hurling abuse at the lad is not the way. Lets just wish him all the best and try to attract others who actually want to play for us?.
I think your confusing 'stamping feet and hurling abuse' with peoples right to pass a comment on the subject Murphy. Are you suggesting that Kopout Craig deserves the same 'best wishes' as say, Brett Kearney or Elliott Whitehead who continued to wear the shirt and take this seasons final knocks in France? (or any of the lads that played, I hasten to add)
It would probably be a better comparison to compare Koppy to those who previously jumped ship, I don't go back as far as Hanley but I do remember JP, Nobby, Withers, Fielden Veivers who all left the last time Bulls had turmoil and a mass exodus occurred. I just think its up to the individual to do what he thinks best. I can't comment on Koppys 'contract' but do know history say Hanley tore his up and refused to play for the Northern as Wigan knobbled him.
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]murphyslaw[/bold] wrote: It's a shame he has decided to leave but I suspect he was planning this at a time the Bulls were in limbo. I can't help thinking the Bulls should try to understand the turmoil everyone connected to the club has been through and would do themselves as a club a power of good by wishing the lad well rather than trying to hold him to some transferred contract. Stamping feet and hurling abuse at the lad is not the way. Lets just wish him all the best and try to attract others who actually want to play for us?.[/p][/quote]I think your confusing 'stamping feet and hurling abuse' with peoples right to pass a comment on the subject Murphy. Are you suggesting that Kopout Craig deserves the same 'best wishes' as say, Brett Kearney or Elliott Whitehead who continued to wear the shirt and take this seasons final knocks in France? (or any of the lads that played, I hasten to add)[/p][/quote]It would probably be a better comparison to compare Koppy to those who previously jumped ship, I don't go back as far as Hanley but I do remember JP, Nobby, Withers, Fielden Veivers who all left the last time Bulls had turmoil and a mass exodus occurred. I just think its up to the individual to do what he thinks best. I can't comment on Koppys 'contract' but do know history say Hanley tore his up and refused to play for the Northern as Wigan knobbled him. murphyslaw

6:02pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Spanishbob19 says...

I think you just need to get over it, go back a few weeks and you didn't even know if you would have a team going forward. in the whole scheme of things his leaving is nothing. as long as he did everything within TUPE, which it is reported that he did, then its a non issue. good luck to him wherever his future lies.
I think you just need to get over it, go back a few weeks and you didn't even know if you would have a team going forward. in the whole scheme of things his leaving is nothing. as long as he did everything within TUPE, which it is reported that he did, then its a non issue. good luck to him wherever his future lies. Spanishbob19

6:22pm Mon 10 Sep 12

murphyslaw says...

Spanishbob19 wrote:
I think you just need to get over it, go back a few weeks and you didn't even know if you would have a team going forward. in the whole scheme of things his leaving is nothing. as long as he did everything within TUPE, which it is reported that he did, then its a non issue. good luck to him wherever his future lies.
I totally agree, it's best all round, if we just move on.
[quote][p][bold]Spanishbob19[/bold] wrote: I think you just need to get over it, go back a few weeks and you didn't even know if you would have a team going forward. in the whole scheme of things his leaving is nothing. as long as he did everything within TUPE, which it is reported that he did, then its a non issue. good luck to him wherever his future lies.[/p][/quote]I totally agree, it's best all round, if we just move on. murphyslaw

6:39pm Mon 10 Sep 12

A N Oldman says...

I'm beginning to find their rants, rather therapeutic, as well as funny. Who ever first said " empty vessels make most noise " had it right. What do you think, Sheffieldbull.
I'm beginning to find their rants, rather therapeutic, as well as funny. Who ever first said " empty vessels make most noise " had it right. What do you think, Sheffieldbull. A N Oldman

11:00am Tue 11 Sep 12

LoyalBull says...

Bradford Bulls prop Craig Kopczak withdrew from the Bulls squad before the clubs final game of the regular season against the Catalan Dragons. The move was an effort to have his contract terminated with the ailing club and it is thought that next season he will link up with the Huddersfield Giants, a move that will secure his financial future.

The move has upset some, with team mate Elliott Whitehead saying Kopczak had “done the dirty” on his team mates by not telling them of his plans himself.

For the record, the Bradford Bulls lost the game 50-26.

We all know what a complete and utter farce the Bradford Bulls situation has turned into. Now that the club looks as though its future may be a little more secure, no one is giving any guarantees even about the clubs future in Super League next season.

Craig Kopczak is a professional Rugby League player. He has spent the last few months playing for a club that could not pay any of its bills. It is only by charity that this club continued to play game, and I’ll say right now, the players, coaches and back room staff that stayed on while not being payed are better people than I am! I would have been out the door as soon as some suit come in and told me I’d would have to play for nothing.

Kopczak’s agent is looking to use a preecident set by Rangers soccer club in the Scotland that basically means that when a club goes broke and ownership changes, a player has the ability to terminate their contract. I’m not going to pretend I know if his manager is right or wrong, and no doubt it will all be played out in court, but when I look at a young bloke that just wants to secure his financial future and has a chance to move from a club that right now is a bit of a mess to another club that is a lot more stable….I understand why he would make that move.

For his Bradford team mates to bag him is poor form. They know what they themselves are going through. This isn’t a charity event, this is professional sport.

So I support Craig Kopczak 100% and I hope player players association get’s behind him as well. After all, this isn’t just about Kopczak, this is about the rights of every player that ends up at a club that goes broke and who just want’s to secure their future at a club that isn’t going to spend the next few years trying to drag itself out of the mess that going into administration leaves behind.
Bradford Bulls prop Craig Kopczak withdrew from the Bulls squad before the clubs final game of the regular season against the Catalan Dragons. The move was an effort to have his contract terminated with the ailing club and it is thought that next season he will link up with the Huddersfield Giants, a move that will secure his financial future. The move has upset some, with team mate Elliott Whitehead saying Kopczak had “done the dirty” on his team mates by not telling them of his plans himself. For the record, the Bradford Bulls lost the game 50-26. We all know what a complete and utter farce the Bradford Bulls situation has turned into. Now that the club looks as though its future may be a little more secure, no one is giving any guarantees even about the clubs future in Super League next season. Craig Kopczak is a professional Rugby League player. He has spent the last few months playing for a club that could not pay any of its bills. It is only by charity that this club continued to play game, and I’ll say right now, the players, coaches and back room staff that stayed on while not being payed are better people than I am! I would have been out the door as soon as some suit come in and told me I’d would have to play for nothing. Kopczak’s agent is looking to use a preecident set by Rangers soccer club in the Scotland that basically means that when a club goes broke and ownership changes, a player has the ability to terminate their contract. I’m not going to pretend I know if his manager is right or wrong, and no doubt it will all be played out in court, but when I look at a young bloke that just wants to secure his financial future and has a chance to move from a club that right now is a bit of a mess to another club that is a lot more stable….I understand why he would make that move. For his Bradford team mates to bag him is poor form. They know what they themselves are going through. This isn’t a charity event, this is professional sport. So I support Craig Kopczak 100% and I hope player players association get’s behind him as well. After all, this isn’t just about Kopczak, this is about the rights of every player that ends up at a club that goes broke and who just want’s to secure their future at a club that isn’t going to spend the next few years trying to drag itself out of the mess that going into administration leaves behind. LoyalBull

2:36pm Tue 11 Sep 12

alfucham says...

LoyalBull wrote:
Bradford Bulls prop Craig Kopczak withdrew from the Bulls squad before the clubs final game of the regular season against the Catalan Dragons. The move was an effort to have his contract terminated with the ailing club and it is thought that next season he will link up with the Huddersfield Giants, a move that will secure his financial future. The move has upset some, with team mate Elliott Whitehead saying Kopczak had “done the dirty” on his team mates by not telling them of his plans himself. For the record, the Bradford Bulls lost the game 50-26. We all know what a complete and utter farce the Bradford Bulls situation has turned into. Now that the club looks as though its future may be a little more secure, no one is giving any guarantees even about the clubs future in Super League next season. Craig Kopczak is a professional Rugby League player. He has spent the last few months playing for a club that could not pay any of its bills. It is only by charity that this club continued to play game, and I’ll say right now, the players, coaches and back room staff that stayed on while not being payed are better people than I am! I would have been out the door as soon as some suit come in and told me I’d would have to play for nothing. Kopczak’s agent is looking to use a preecident set by Rangers soccer club in the Scotland that basically means that when a club goes broke and ownership changes, a player has the ability to terminate their contract. I’m not going to pretend I know if his manager is right or wrong, and no doubt it will all be played out in court, but when I look at a young bloke that just wants to secure his financial future and has a chance to move from a club that right now is a bit of a mess to another club that is a lot more stable….I understand why he would make that move. For his Bradford team mates to bag him is poor form. They know what they themselves are going through. This isn’t a charity event, this is professional sport. So I support Craig Kopczak 100% and I hope player players association get’s behind him as well. After all, this isn’t just about Kopczak, this is about the rights of every player that ends up at a club that goes broke and who just want’s to secure their future at a club that isn’t going to spend the next few years trying to drag itself out of the mess that going into administration leaves behind.
Good points.
looking at the numbers and the fact that the new owner is no Roman and the fact that he does not even have to pay the balance of purchase money (100k)for another 3 years it is going to be very difficult.

Championship with 10000 still going MAY be the best option to regroup for a couple of years.

To allow time to get the house in order.
We may know more today.

One thing is for sure a £260000 monthly wage bill the administrater says he inherited is unsustainable even with the £1.2 million allocation of sky money.

It is not the victims of this mess that should be slaughtered though perhaps the kid could have told his colleagues what he was doing instead of just not been on the plane.

But he is young.
The true causers of this mess are not.
[quote][p][bold]LoyalBull[/bold] wrote: Bradford Bulls prop Craig Kopczak withdrew from the Bulls squad before the clubs final game of the regular season against the Catalan Dragons. The move was an effort to have his contract terminated with the ailing club and it is thought that next season he will link up with the Huddersfield Giants, a move that will secure his financial future. The move has upset some, with team mate Elliott Whitehead saying Kopczak had “done the dirty” on his team mates by not telling them of his plans himself. For the record, the Bradford Bulls lost the game 50-26. We all know what a complete and utter farce the Bradford Bulls situation has turned into. Now that the club looks as though its future may be a little more secure, no one is giving any guarantees even about the clubs future in Super League next season. Craig Kopczak is a professional Rugby League player. He has spent the last few months playing for a club that could not pay any of its bills. It is only by charity that this club continued to play game, and I’ll say right now, the players, coaches and back room staff that stayed on while not being payed are better people than I am! I would have been out the door as soon as some suit come in and told me I’d would have to play for nothing. Kopczak’s agent is looking to use a preecident set by Rangers soccer club in the Scotland that basically means that when a club goes broke and ownership changes, a player has the ability to terminate their contract. I’m not going to pretend I know if his manager is right or wrong, and no doubt it will all be played out in court, but when I look at a young bloke that just wants to secure his financial future and has a chance to move from a club that right now is a bit of a mess to another club that is a lot more stable….I understand why he would make that move. For his Bradford team mates to bag him is poor form. They know what they themselves are going through. This isn’t a charity event, this is professional sport. So I support Craig Kopczak 100% and I hope player players association get’s behind him as well. After all, this isn’t just about Kopczak, this is about the rights of every player that ends up at a club that goes broke and who just want’s to secure their future at a club that isn’t going to spend the next few years trying to drag itself out of the mess that going into administration leaves behind.[/p][/quote]Good points. looking at the numbers and the fact that the new owner is no Roman and the fact that he does not even have to pay the balance of purchase money (100k)for another 3 years it is going to be very difficult. Championship with 10000 still going MAY be the best option to regroup for a couple of years. To allow time to get the house in order. We may know more today. One thing is for sure a £260000 monthly wage bill the administrater says he inherited is unsustainable even with the £1.2 million allocation of sky money. It is not the victims of this mess that should be slaughtered though perhaps the kid could have told his colleagues what he was doing instead of just not been on the plane. But he is young. The true causers of this mess are not. alfucham

5:14pm Tue 11 Sep 12

LoyalBull says...

alfucham wrote:
LoyalBull wrote:
Bradford Bulls prop Craig Kopczak withdrew from the Bulls squad before the clubs final game of the regular season against the Catalan Dragons. The move was an effort to have his contract terminated with the ailing club and it is thought that next season he will link up with the Huddersfield Giants, a move that will secure his financial future. The move has upset some, with team mate Elliott Whitehead saying Kopczak had “done the dirty” on his team mates by not telling them of his plans himself. For the record, the Bradford Bulls lost the game 50-26. We all know what a complete and utter farce the Bradford Bulls situation has turned into. Now that the club looks as though its future may be a little more secure, no one is giving any guarantees even about the clubs future in Super League next season. Craig Kopczak is a professional Rugby League player. He has spent the last few months playing for a club that could not pay any of its bills. It is only by charity that this club continued to play game, and I’ll say right now, the players, coaches and back room staff that stayed on while not being payed are better people than I am! I would have been out the door as soon as some suit come in and told me I’d would have to play for nothing. Kopczak’s agent is looking to use a preecident set by Rangers soccer club in the Scotland that basically means that when a club goes broke and ownership changes, a player has the ability to terminate their contract. I’m not going to pretend I know if his manager is right or wrong, and no doubt it will all be played out in court, but when I look at a young bloke that just wants to secure his financial future and has a chance to move from a club that right now is a bit of a mess to another club that is a lot more stable….I understand why he would make that move. For his Bradford team mates to bag him is poor form. They know what they themselves are going through. This isn’t a charity event, this is professional sport. So I support Craig Kopczak 100% and I hope player players association get’s behind him as well. After all, this isn’t just about Kopczak, this is about the rights of every player that ends up at a club that goes broke and who just want’s to secure their future at a club that isn’t going to spend the next few years trying to drag itself out of the mess that going into administration leaves behind.
Good points.
looking at the numbers and the fact that the new owner is no Roman and the fact that he does not even have to pay the balance of purchase money (100k)for another 3 years it is going to be very difficult.

Championship with 10000 still going MAY be the best option to regroup for a couple of years.

To allow time to get the house in order.
We may know more today.

One thing is for sure a £260000 monthly wage bill the administrater says he inherited is unsustainable even with the £1.2 million allocation of sky money.

It is not the victims of this mess that should be slaughtered though perhaps the kid could have told his colleagues what he was doing instead of just not been on the plane.

But he is young.
The true causers of this mess are not.
Further point I may add is why give the players an ultimatum of only 48 hours to consider their futures in a week when the club if results had gone their way achieved the play offs. Is this just bad timing or again poor administration from an unorganized sporting club run by solicitors? If Mick Potter had not dropped Tom Burgess then what would the problem have been as the Bulls would have had enough props anyway. For me the club and T&A have tried to alienate a player who has only rejected the transfer of his contract to the new Roman Abramovich who has yet to speak to the players but seems to be more interested in a Wembley of the North. At the end of the day I suppose the players can wash some more cars next year and may be take more crank calls on the switchboard from empty heads from Bradford. Maybe Sheffield Bull will offer his services to wash some cars in his underpants.
[quote][p][bold]alfucham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoyalBull[/bold] wrote: Bradford Bulls prop Craig Kopczak withdrew from the Bulls squad before the clubs final game of the regular season against the Catalan Dragons. The move was an effort to have his contract terminated with the ailing club and it is thought that next season he will link up with the Huddersfield Giants, a move that will secure his financial future. The move has upset some, with team mate Elliott Whitehead saying Kopczak had “done the dirty” on his team mates by not telling them of his plans himself. For the record, the Bradford Bulls lost the game 50-26. We all know what a complete and utter farce the Bradford Bulls situation has turned into. Now that the club looks as though its future may be a little more secure, no one is giving any guarantees even about the clubs future in Super League next season. Craig Kopczak is a professional Rugby League player. He has spent the last few months playing for a club that could not pay any of its bills. It is only by charity that this club continued to play game, and I’ll say right now, the players, coaches and back room staff that stayed on while not being payed are better people than I am! I would have been out the door as soon as some suit come in and told me I’d would have to play for nothing. Kopczak’s agent is looking to use a preecident set by Rangers soccer club in the Scotland that basically means that when a club goes broke and ownership changes, a player has the ability to terminate their contract. I’m not going to pretend I know if his manager is right or wrong, and no doubt it will all be played out in court, but when I look at a young bloke that just wants to secure his financial future and has a chance to move from a club that right now is a bit of a mess to another club that is a lot more stable….I understand why he would make that move. For his Bradford team mates to bag him is poor form. They know what they themselves are going through. This isn’t a charity event, this is professional sport. So I support Craig Kopczak 100% and I hope player players association get’s behind him as well. After all, this isn’t just about Kopczak, this is about the rights of every player that ends up at a club that goes broke and who just want’s to secure their future at a club that isn’t going to spend the next few years trying to drag itself out of the mess that going into administration leaves behind.[/p][/quote]Good points. looking at the numbers and the fact that the new owner is no Roman and the fact that he does not even have to pay the balance of purchase money (100k)for another 3 years it is going to be very difficult. Championship with 10000 still going MAY be the best option to regroup for a couple of years. To allow time to get the house in order. We may know more today. One thing is for sure a £260000 monthly wage bill the administrater says he inherited is unsustainable even with the £1.2 million allocation of sky money. It is not the victims of this mess that should be slaughtered though perhaps the kid could have told his colleagues what he was doing instead of just not been on the plane. But he is young. The true causers of this mess are not.[/p][/quote]Further point I may add is why give the players an ultimatum of only 48 hours to consider their futures in a week when the club if results had gone their way achieved the play offs. Is this just bad timing or again poor administration from an unorganized sporting club run by solicitors? If Mick Potter had not dropped Tom Burgess then what would the problem have been as the Bulls would have had enough props anyway. For me the club and T&A have tried to alienate a player who has only rejected the transfer of his contract to the new Roman Abramovich who has yet to speak to the players but seems to be more interested in a Wembley of the North. At the end of the day I suppose the players can wash some more cars next year and may be take more crank calls on the switchboard from empty heads from Bradford. Maybe Sheffield Bull will offer his services to wash some cars in his underpants. LoyalBull

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