Bulls sign star of the future Southernwood

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Cain Southernwood signs his Bulls contract, watched by chairman Peter Hood Cain Southernwood signs his Bulls contract, watched by chairman Peter Hood

Bradford Bulls today snagged one of the hottest young properties in rugby after completing a move for Wakefield starlet Cain Southernwood.

The precociously talented 17-year-old has signed on at Odsal until the end of 2013, with full back Kieran Hyde heading in the opposite direction as part of the deal.

A stand-out performer for the Wildcats’ all-conquering academy side last season, Southernwood won man of the match honours while leading them to Grand Final glory.

He was rewarded with a first-team squad number at the start of the current campaign but has yet to make his Super League debut – something he is intent on changing in the near future.

He said: “I’m very happy to be at such a big club and I’m happy to be working with the coaches here. I can’t wait to get started.

I just want to earn a first-team slot, work for my place and work hard

Cain Southernwood

“I wasn’t that happy with my old club so I just thought I needed a change.

“This is perfect because it’s a big club and there’s a lot of people I know here, who I get on with from England internationals as a youth.

“Obviously I want to play in the first team, whether it’s Challenge Cup or Super League, whatever. I just want to earn a first-team slot, work for my place and work hard.”

Southernwood will mainly feature for the Bulls’ under-20s this season and is expected to make his debut for Stuart Barrow’s side against Leeds tomorrow.

But the England Academy international will train full-time with the first-team squad, working particularly closely with experienced scrum half Matt Orford.

The Aussie star is expected to help mentor Southernwood, ideally with a view to grooming him as a potential successor at pivot.

“I think Steve McNamara is happy when he’s seen me playing for the 20s and has confidence in my ability to push on here,” said Southernwood.

“He’s going to help me and he said Matt Orford is going to have a lot of input, so it’s going to be good for me, especially if I can get that shot.

“He’s an established world-class scrum half and if I can learn off him, I should be pushing into the first team.”

The signing fills a need for Bulls boss Steve McNamara, who had identified the halves as an area for improvement.

Outside the current first-team squad, Danny Addy provided the only specialist cover prior to Southernwood’s signing.

“I’m absolutely delighted,” said McNamara. “When the opportunity arose to try and get him, we needed to grab it with both hands.

“He’s a super talent and has a bright future in a position where we felt we needed to make a signing at junior level, although I feel he has the potential to become involved with the first team.

“He’s a confident, switched-on young kid. I played for England schoolboys with his dad and he was a classy player too.

“We hope he’ll get an opportunity to play first team but he will be very good for our junior team.

“We have some big forwards at that level and he’ll help in steering them round, just as they’ll help him.”

Meanwhile, Hyde heads to Wakefield after four years at Odsal.

A long-time target for Wildcats chief John Kear, the 20-year-old full back was unable to break into the Bulls’ Super League side despite showing early promise.

McNamara said: “It’s just not quite worked out for Kieran here and sometimes a parting of the ways is the best thing for everyone involved.”

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7:12am Thu 1 Apr 10

Steampig says...

I just want to earn a first-team slot, work for my place and work hardLets hope he gets a chance at some point to show us what he has got, Macca is not really one for giving the youth a go, but it works well for other teams, Look at Sam tompkins for example.
I just want to earn a first-team slot, work for my place and work hardLets hope he gets a chance at some point to show us what he has got, Macca is not really one for giving the youth a go, but it works well for other teams, Look at Sam tompkins for example. Steampig

8:52am Thu 1 Apr 10

jambo says...

Steampig wrote:
I just want to earn a first-team slot, work for my place and work hardLets hope he gets a chance at some point to show us what he has got, Macca is not really one for giving the youth a go, but it works well for other teams, Look at Sam tompkins for example.
You're totally right. McNamara has a record of only playing established, seasoned pros like Burgess, Whitehead and Donaldson.

Still, it's good we've got an out and out 6. Kearney is ok there but he showed against quins his natural position is full back. And the lad gets to learn from Matt Orford, I've no doubt there's half-backs everywhere who'd kill for a chance to sit under that learning tree.

Though, tbh I do wonder about the date of signing. Surprised it's not been announced that we've signed Billy Slater
[quote][p][bold]Steampig[/bold] wrote: I just want to earn a first-team slot, work for my place and work hardLets hope he gets a chance at some point to show us what he has got, Macca is not really one for giving the youth a go, but it works well for other teams, Look at Sam tompkins for example.[/p][/quote]You're totally right. McNamara has a record of only playing established, seasoned pros like Burgess, Whitehead and Donaldson. Still, it's good we've got an out and out 6. Kearney is ok there but he showed against quins his natural position is full back. And the lad gets to learn from Matt Orford, I've no doubt there's half-backs everywhere who'd kill for a chance to sit under that learning tree. Though, tbh I do wonder about the date of signing. Surprised it's not been announced that we've signed Billy Slater jambo

8:56am Thu 1 Apr 10

Adey says...

With a busy easter weekend, I'd be tempted to give him a spot on the bench at one of the games coming up.
With a busy easter weekend, I'd be tempted to give him a spot on the bench at one of the games coming up. Adey

11:51am Thu 1 Apr 10

Prycey says...

One thing Macca has in his favour is his desire to bring on the youth. We clearly don't have the money that some clubs have and this is the way to do it. I, like most Bulls fans like to see Leeds lose but I must credit them for having a superb youth policy. Just go through their team over the last few years and see how many stars they have produced. This is what we must do in future. My concern with another coach after Macca is if he wants to buy players for instant success. We have some really good youngsters coming through that need looking after and nurturing. Hyde clearly wasn't going to make it. This lad has had some rave reviews from people who should know. All we have to do in future is replace outgoing players with better ones and the team will improve. This lad is only 2 weeks younger than the Burgess twins so he may be ready for the start of next season. I see this a a very good signing. We now have a good young stand off who will learn off Orford and a cracking full back. Sykes will do at No 6 till he is ready. It feels like we may have signed another young Deaks or Robbie again!
One thing Macca has in his favour is his desire to bring on the youth. We clearly don't have the money that some clubs have and this is the way to do it. I, like most Bulls fans like to see Leeds lose but I must credit them for having a superb youth policy. Just go through their team over the last few years and see how many stars they have produced. This is what we must do in future. My concern with another coach after Macca is if he wants to buy players for instant success. We have some really good youngsters coming through that need looking after and nurturing. Hyde clearly wasn't going to make it. This lad has had some rave reviews from people who should know. All we have to do in future is replace outgoing players with better ones and the team will improve. This lad is only 2 weeks younger than the Burgess twins so he may be ready for the start of next season. I see this a a very good signing. We now have a good young stand off who will learn off Orford and a cracking full back. Sykes will do at No 6 till he is ready. It feels like we may have signed another young Deaks or Robbie again! Prycey

12:24pm Thu 1 Apr 10

Wots up says...

Prycey wrote:
One thing Macca has in his favour is his desire to bring on the youth. We clearly don't have the money that some clubs have and this is the way to do it. I, like most Bulls fans like to see Leeds lose but I must credit them for having a superb youth policy. Just go through their team over the last few years and see how many stars they have produced. This is what we must do in future. My concern with another coach after Macca is if he wants to buy players for instant success. We have some really good youngsters coming through that need looking after and nurturing. Hyde clearly wasn't going to make it. This lad has had some rave reviews from people who should know. All we have to do in future is replace outgoing players with better ones and the team will improve. This lad is only 2 weeks younger than the Burgess twins so he may be ready for the start of next season. I see this a a very good signing. We now have a good young stand off who will learn off Orford and a cracking full back. Sykes will do at No 6 till he is ready. It feels like we may have signed another young Deaks or Robbie again!
Lets hope your right about Hyde and he doesn't turn out to be another Ryan Atkins. I think over the last few years transfers between the two clubs appear to have given Wakefield more to smile about. Lets hope Southernwood is a good signing. I still don't like us getting rid of a youngster who has never been given a chance to step up to the first team. I would have preferred us to get rid of Halley and/or Worrincy who have both been given chances and are unfortunately just not good enough.
[quote][p][bold]Prycey[/bold] wrote: One thing Macca has in his favour is his desire to bring on the youth. We clearly don't have the money that some clubs have and this is the way to do it. I, like most Bulls fans like to see Leeds lose but I must credit them for having a superb youth policy. Just go through their team over the last few years and see how many stars they have produced. This is what we must do in future. My concern with another coach after Macca is if he wants to buy players for instant success. We have some really good youngsters coming through that need looking after and nurturing. Hyde clearly wasn't going to make it. This lad has had some rave reviews from people who should know. All we have to do in future is replace outgoing players with better ones and the team will improve. This lad is only 2 weeks younger than the Burgess twins so he may be ready for the start of next season. I see this a a very good signing. We now have a good young stand off who will learn off Orford and a cracking full back. Sykes will do at No 6 till he is ready. It feels like we may have signed another young Deaks or Robbie again![/p][/quote]Lets hope your right about Hyde and he doesn't turn out to be another Ryan Atkins. I think over the last few years transfers between the two clubs appear to have given Wakefield more to smile about. Lets hope Southernwood is a good signing. I still don't like us getting rid of a youngster who has never been given a chance to step up to the first team. I would have preferred us to get rid of Halley and/or Worrincy who have both been given chances and are unfortunately just not good enough. Wots up

12:41pm Thu 1 Apr 10

franklyn says...

Tompkins, eastmond,burrow, Mc guire, all been playing firt team rugby since they were this kid's age. go back over the years and nearly all the greats in R/L have played first team rugby from a young age. Murphy, roger millward, even our own keith mumby.
If the lad has the tallent,best place to bring it out is in the first team squad, He'll learn far more , and learn sooner playing with the likes of Ox than in the under 20's.
don't say they need to over do it but get him in the first team squad A S A P. thats where He wants to be, and thats a good sign.
Tompkins, eastmond,burrow, Mc guire, all been playing firt team rugby since they were this kid's age. go back over the years and nearly all the greats in R/L have played first team rugby from a young age. Murphy, roger millward, even our own keith mumby. If the lad has the tallent,best place to bring it out is in the first team squad, He'll learn far more , and learn sooner playing with the likes of Ox than in the under 20's. don't say they need to over do it but get him in the first team squad A S A P. thats where He wants to be, and thats a good sign. franklyn

12:42pm Thu 1 Apr 10

paulbirchgarth says...

Wakefield have wanted Hyde for some time and were going to pay a transfer fee to get him if they had to. It just happened Bradford wanted Southernwood and Wakefield had no need of him. The lad did not want to move to Bradford at first, thinking he would be replacing Brough. However, Wakefield got Cook and the rest is history. It's a good move for them both and I wish them both the best. Both look like talents of the future and both now look like they will get the breaks they need.
Wakefield have wanted Hyde for some time and were going to pay a transfer fee to get him if they had to. It just happened Bradford wanted Southernwood and Wakefield had no need of him. The lad did not want to move to Bradford at first, thinking he would be replacing Brough. However, Wakefield got Cook and the rest is history. It's a good move for them both and I wish them both the best. Both look like talents of the future and both now look like they will get the breaks they need. paulbirchgarth

12:46pm Thu 1 Apr 10

BBARL6 says...

Lets look at the positives, Hyde has now gone he was playing reserve grade rugby for past years and nowhere near 1st team, we have swapped him for an up and coming england junior international half back who is being talked about having a bright future in the game??
Sounds very promising to me and looks like it may be a good swap, us losing a reserve player for this young lad?
If his good enough hes old enough.
Lets look at the positives, Hyde has now gone he was playing reserve grade rugby for past years and nowhere near 1st team, we have swapped him for an up and coming england junior international half back who is being talked about having a bright future in the game?? Sounds very promising to me and looks like it may be a good swap, us losing a reserve player for this young lad? If his good enough hes old enough. BBARL6

1:11pm Thu 1 Apr 10

haitch says...

BBARL6 wrote:
Lets look at the positives, Hyde has now gone he was playing reserve grade rugby for past years and nowhere near 1st team, we have swapped him for an up and coming england junior international half back who is being talked about having a bright future in the game?? Sounds very promising to me and looks like it may be a good swap, us losing a reserve player for this young lad? If his good enough hes old enough.
Spot on mate! Lets hope he can be fast tracked as Franklyn suggests so that he progresses at first team standard and is not left too long with the academy. Bulls are crying out for quality S/O and he could well be the answer.
I take 'wotsup's point but doubt Hyde's situation is same as Atkins. Hyde has never been a first team player at Bulls whilst Atkins was showing lots of promise on the outings he'd had at first team level, hence the raised eyebrows when he left. That's not to say Hyde won't turn out a good player I hope he does but Bulls have more than enough F/B's at present and his chances were limited.
[quote][p][bold]BBARL6[/bold] wrote: Lets look at the positives, Hyde has now gone he was playing reserve grade rugby for past years and nowhere near 1st team, we have swapped him for an up and coming england junior international half back who is being talked about having a bright future in the game?? Sounds very promising to me and looks like it may be a good swap, us losing a reserve player for this young lad? If his good enough hes old enough.[/p][/quote]Spot on mate! Lets hope he can be fast tracked as Franklyn suggests so that he progresses at first team standard and is not left too long with the academy. Bulls are crying out for quality S/O and he could well be the answer. I take 'wotsup's point but doubt Hyde's situation is same as Atkins. Hyde has never been a first team player at Bulls whilst Atkins was showing lots of promise on the outings he'd had at first team level, hence the raised eyebrows when he left. That's not to say Hyde won't turn out a good player I hope he does but Bulls have more than enough F/B's at present and his chances were limited. haitch

1:30pm Thu 1 Apr 10

Wots up says...

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"cain southernwood was offered a fantastic deal for a youngster last season, bearing in mind hed never played sl. whether he got bad advice from his agent or his dad is debatable but he turned round and said cas or leeds will pay more. hed not been there 2 minutes and was trying to call the shots and he didnt realise a fee would have to be paid. so the club with him showing he didnt want to be there withdrew the offer he refused to sign. was taken off by the coaches a few times last season as he wouldnt play to instructions and was more interested in himself. the lad coming in is a fantastic prospect who can play fb or half back and if hes looked after will do a great job for the club. he came through the scholarship at wakefield but ended up at bradford. it may not look it at the moment but we have the best deal on this."
The general view among Wildcat supporters appears to be that he isn't physically big enough for SL at the moment so don't expect him to play in the first team this season unless we can use him in the Challenge cup against easier opposition. Lets hope Macca has got it right and we can beef him up for next season.
Post Taken from http://forums.rlfans .com/viewtopic.php?f =33&t=450171&start=9 0 "cain southernwood was offered a fantastic deal for a youngster last season, bearing in mind hed never played sl. whether he got bad advice from his agent or his dad is debatable but he turned round and said cas or leeds will pay more. hed not been there 2 minutes and was trying to call the shots and he didnt realise a fee would have to be paid. so the club with him showing he didnt want to be there withdrew the offer he refused to sign. was taken off by the coaches a few times last season as he wouldnt play to instructions and was more interested in himself. the lad coming in is a fantastic prospect who can play fb or half back and if hes looked after will do a great job for the club. he came through the scholarship at wakefield but ended up at bradford. it may not look it at the moment but we have the best deal on this." The general view among Wildcat supporters appears to be that he isn't physically big enough for SL at the moment so don't expect him to play in the first team this season unless we can use him in the Challenge cup against easier opposition. Lets hope Macca has got it right and we can beef him up for next season. Wots up

1:45pm Thu 1 Apr 10

Ralphie says...

haitch wrote:
BBARL6 wrote: Lets look at the positives, Hyde has now gone he was playing reserve grade rugby for past years and nowhere near 1st team, we have swapped him for an up and coming england junior international half back who is being talked about having a bright future in the game?? Sounds very promising to me and looks like it may be a good swap, us losing a reserve player for this young lad? If his good enough hes old enough.
Spot on mate! Lets hope he can be fast tracked as Franklyn suggests so that he progresses at first team standard and is not left too long with the academy. Bulls are crying out for quality S/O and he could well be the answer. I take 'wotsup's point but doubt Hyde's situation is same as Atkins. Hyde has never been a first team player at Bulls whilst Atkins was showing lots of promise on the outings he'd had at first team level, hence the raised eyebrows when he left. That's not to say Hyde won't turn out a good player I hope he does but Bulls have more than enough F/B's at present and his chances were limited.
we've got a quality stand off for the first time in years - Kearney! But Macca will play him at full back when we have other options available for this position.
Kearney will be lightening when the fast pitches arrive, which will probably be around September at Odsal!
[quote][p][bold]haitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BBARL6[/bold] wrote: Lets look at the positives, Hyde has now gone he was playing reserve grade rugby for past years and nowhere near 1st team, we have swapped him for an up and coming england junior international half back who is being talked about having a bright future in the game?? Sounds very promising to me and looks like it may be a good swap, us losing a reserve player for this young lad? If his good enough hes old enough.[/p][/quote]Spot on mate! Lets hope he can be fast tracked as Franklyn suggests so that he progresses at first team standard and is not left too long with the academy. Bulls are crying out for quality S/O and he could well be the answer. I take 'wotsup's point but doubt Hyde's situation is same as Atkins. Hyde has never been a first team player at Bulls whilst Atkins was showing lots of promise on the outings he'd had at first team level, hence the raised eyebrows when he left. That's not to say Hyde won't turn out a good player I hope he does but Bulls have more than enough F/B's at present and his chances were limited.[/p][/quote]we've got a quality stand off for the first time in years - Kearney! But Macca will play him at full back when we have other options available for this position. Kearney will be lightening when the fast pitches arrive, which will probably be around September at Odsal! Ralphie

1:53pm Thu 1 Apr 10

Prycey says...

Let's not forget that he will not only be working with Orford but the Physio will also set to work on him. I am impressed with the new physio and would expect Macca to instruct him to get this young lad up to SL standards. This time next year he will be 19 and ready to make an impact. Yes itis always a risk letting such as Hyde go but we must forget Atkins. Every team lets players go and then regrets it. Thats sport - get over it!This lad is worth taking a chance. We complain on here about only bringing forwards through. Well, this is evidence that Macca is looking at the halves as well. I would like to see tham get another young half as Orford only has a few years with us and we will then need to pay big money again. You can't have enough good halves. We were at our best with Robbie and Deaks guiding the pack around. Look at how Hudds are planning to play Robinson at hooker. They will then have 3 quick halves on the pitch. This is how the game is going with speed at the play the ball. Every position is important but the halves run the game. I like to hear he is head strong and thinks about himself. Aren't all good halves like that - such as Edwards, Gregory, Long, Tompkins etc. Lets give him this year to settle in with hopefully the odd bench spot and mature a little more and hope he becomes a new hero for us.
Let's not forget that he will not only be working with Orford but the Physio will also set to work on him. I am impressed with the new physio and would expect Macca to instruct him to get this young lad up to SL standards. This time next year he will be 19 and ready to make an impact. Yes itis always a risk letting such as Hyde go but we must forget Atkins. Every team lets players go and then regrets it. Thats sport - get over it!This lad is worth taking a chance. We complain on here about only bringing forwards through. Well, this is evidence that Macca is looking at the halves as well. I would like to see tham get another young half as Orford only has a few years with us and we will then need to pay big money again. You can't have enough good halves. We were at our best with Robbie and Deaks guiding the pack around. Look at how Hudds are planning to play Robinson at hooker. They will then have 3 quick halves on the pitch. This is how the game is going with speed at the play the ball. Every position is important but the halves run the game. I like to hear he is head strong and thinks about himself. Aren't all good halves like that - such as Edwards, Gregory, Long, Tompkins etc. Lets give him this year to settle in with hopefully the odd bench spot and mature a little more and hope he becomes a new hero for us. Prycey

2:00pm Thu 1 Apr 10

monkeysmacker says...

franklyn wrote:
Tompkins, eastmond,burrow, Mc guire, all been playing firt team rugby since they were this kid's age. go back over the years and nearly all the greats in R/L have played first team rugby from a young age. Murphy, roger millward, even our own keith mumby.
If the lad has the tallent,best place to bring it out is in the first team squad, He'll learn far more , and learn sooner playing with the likes of Ox than in the under 20's.
don't say they need to over do it but get him in the first team squad A S A P. thats where He wants to be, and thats a good sign.
So where would you play him in the 1st team? Scrum-half? What, instead of Orford? The lad needs to develop his skills in a First Team environment with perhaps the odd game here and there against "weaker" opposition. Of course he'll be cover in case of injuries, but unless you're suggesting that Orford be spelled during matches then I can't see your point. This lad is for the future, and in the meantime he can learn a lot from a master of his craft. To suggest chucking him straight into the first team right away is premature to say the least.
[quote][p][bold]franklyn[/bold] wrote: Tompkins, eastmond,burrow, Mc guire, all been playing firt team rugby since they were this kid's age. go back over the years and nearly all the greats in R/L have played first team rugby from a young age. Murphy, roger millward, even our own keith mumby. If the lad has the tallent,best place to bring it out is in the first team squad, He'll learn far more , and learn sooner playing with the likes of Ox than in the under 20's. don't say they need to over do it but get him in the first team squad A S A P. thats where He wants to be, and thats a good sign.[/p][/quote]So where would you play him in the 1st team? Scrum-half? What, instead of Orford? The lad needs to develop his skills in a First Team environment with perhaps the odd game here and there against "weaker" opposition. Of course he'll be cover in case of injuries, but unless you're suggesting that Orford be spelled during matches then I can't see your point. This lad is for the future, and in the meantime he can learn a lot from a master of his craft. To suggest chucking him straight into the first team right away is premature to say the least. monkeysmacker

2:22pm Thu 1 Apr 10

Tricky Dicky says...

Let's hope Mr MacNamara has got it right. Unfortunately, his track record doesn't bode well. It's another case of wait and see. But I am getting fed up with the posters who are always saying, "Wait till next season!" This time next year Rodney, we'll be millionaires. Just beat Leeds tonight and it will put me in a good mood for the next three months!
Let's hope Mr MacNamara has got it right. Unfortunately, his track record doesn't bode well. It's another case of wait and see. But I am getting fed up with the posters who are always saying, "Wait till next season!" This time next year Rodney, we'll be millionaires. Just beat Leeds tonight and it will put me in a good mood for the next three months! Tricky Dicky

4:31pm Thu 1 Apr 10

franklyn says...

monkeysmacker wrote:
franklyn wrote: Tompkins, eastmond,burrow, Mc guire, all been playing firt team rugby since they were this kid's age. go back over the years and nearly all the greats in R/L have played first team rugby from a young age. Murphy, roger millward, even our own keith mumby. If the lad has the tallent,best place to bring it out is in the first team squad, He'll learn far more , and learn sooner playing with the likes of Ox than in the under 20's. don't say they need to over do it but get him in the first team squad A S A P. thats where He wants to be, and thats a good sign.
So where would you play him in the 1st team? Scrum-half? What, instead of Orford? The lad needs to develop his skills in a First Team environment with perhaps the odd game here and there against "weaker" opposition. Of course he'll be cover in case of injuries, but unless you're suggesting that Orford be spelled during matches then I can't see your point. This lad is for the future, and in the meantime he can learn a lot from a master of his craft. To suggest chucking him straight into the first team right away is premature to say the least.
Can you read or do you just have leaning difficuties?
I never at one time suggested that the lad should be plunged straight into the first team instead of anyone.
First team squad was what i said where he can learn from the likes of Ox ,and other senior pro's.
for your information Ox plays S/H,this youngster is to be according to reports,S/O. so as time goe's on he would be able to partner Ox at H/B.(AM I GOING TO FAST FOR YOU?). Point i was making is too many good young tallents have been signed by bulls and just wasted away in the accademy side, never to be seen again, The lad is keen to play fist team rugby,and as i said previously if he's good enough,he'll get through. many more have before him and many more will in the future.
[quote][p][bold]monkeysmacker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franklyn[/bold] wrote: Tompkins, eastmond,burrow, Mc guire, all been playing firt team rugby since they were this kid's age. go back over the years and nearly all the greats in R/L have played first team rugby from a young age. Murphy, roger millward, even our own keith mumby. If the lad has the tallent,best place to bring it out is in the first team squad, He'll learn far more , and learn sooner playing with the likes of Ox than in the under 20's. don't say they need to over do it but get him in the first team squad A S A P. thats where He wants to be, and thats a good sign.[/p][/quote]So where would you play him in the 1st team? Scrum-half? What, instead of Orford? The lad needs to develop his skills in a First Team environment with perhaps the odd game here and there against "weaker" opposition. Of course he'll be cover in case of injuries, but unless you're suggesting that Orford be spelled during matches then I can't see your point. This lad is for the future, and in the meantime he can learn a lot from a master of his craft. To suggest chucking him straight into the first team right away is premature to say the least.[/p][/quote]Can you read or do you just have leaning difficuties? I never at one time suggested that the lad should be plunged straight into the first team instead of anyone. First team squad was what i said where he can learn from the likes of Ox ,and other senior pro's. for your information Ox plays S/H,this youngster is to be according to reports,S/O. so as time goe's on he would be able to partner Ox at H/B.(AM I GOING TO FAST FOR YOU?). Point i was making is too many good young tallents have been signed by bulls and just wasted away in the accademy side, never to be seen again, The lad is keen to play fist team rugby,and as i said previously if he's good enough,he'll get through. many more have before him and many more will in the future. franklyn

1:54pm Fri 2 Apr 10

monkeysmacker says...

franklyn wrote:
monkeysmacker wrote:
franklyn wrote: Tompkins, eastmond,burrow, Mc guire, all been playing firt team rugby since they were this kid's age. go back over the years and nearly all the greats in R/L have played first team rugby from a young age. Murphy, roger millward, even our own keith mumby. If the lad has the tallent,best place to bring it out is in the first team squad, He'll learn far more , and learn sooner playing with the likes of Ox than in the under 20's. don't say they need to over do it but get him in the first team squad A S A P. thats where He wants to be, and thats a good sign.
So where would you play him in the 1st team? Scrum-half? What, instead of Orford? The lad needs to develop his skills in a First Team environment with perhaps the odd game here and there against "weaker" opposition. Of course he'll be cover in case of injuries, but unless you're suggesting that Orford be spelled during matches then I can't see your point. This lad is for the future, and in the meantime he can learn a lot from a master of his craft. To suggest chucking him straight into the first team right away is premature to say the least.
Can you read or do you just have leaning difficuties?
I never at one time suggested that the lad should be plunged straight into the first team instead of anyone.
First team squad was what i said where he can learn from the likes of Ox ,and other senior pro's.
for your information Ox plays S/H,this youngster is to be according to reports,S/O. so as time goe's on he would be able to partner Ox at H/B.(AM I GOING TO FAST FOR YOU?). Point i was making is too many good young tallents have been signed by bulls and just wasted away in the accademy side, never to be seen again, The lad is keen to play fist team rugby,and as i said previously if he's good enough,he'll get through. many more have before him and many more will in the future.
I'm not entirely sure what "leaning difficuties" are. Perhaps you could enlighten me..?

And no you weren't going "to" fast for me. Since Orford is going to instrumental in guiding this youngster, it seems obvious that the club see him as a S/H - yes I agree that some roles nowadays are interchangeable - particularly the halves and hooker, but Orford is an out and out scrum-half in the truest sense. If he is being given the remit of helping to develop the lad then it would seem clear that the club see his future at 7.
[quote][p][bold]franklyn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeysmacker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franklyn[/bold] wrote: Tompkins, eastmond,burrow, Mc guire, all been playing firt team rugby since they were this kid's age. go back over the years and nearly all the greats in R/L have played first team rugby from a young age. Murphy, roger millward, even our own keith mumby. If the lad has the tallent,best place to bring it out is in the first team squad, He'll learn far more , and learn sooner playing with the likes of Ox than in the under 20's. don't say they need to over do it but get him in the first team squad A S A P. thats where He wants to be, and thats a good sign.[/p][/quote]So where would you play him in the 1st team? Scrum-half? What, instead of Orford? The lad needs to develop his skills in a First Team environment with perhaps the odd game here and there against "weaker" opposition. Of course he'll be cover in case of injuries, but unless you're suggesting that Orford be spelled during matches then I can't see your point. This lad is for the future, and in the meantime he can learn a lot from a master of his craft. To suggest chucking him straight into the first team right away is premature to say the least.[/p][/quote]Can you read or do you just have leaning difficuties? I never at one time suggested that the lad should be plunged straight into the first team instead of anyone. First team squad was what i said where he can learn from the likes of Ox ,and other senior pro's. for your information Ox plays S/H,this youngster is to be according to reports,S/O. so as time goe's on he would be able to partner Ox at H/B.(AM I GOING TO FAST FOR YOU?). Point i was making is too many good young tallents have been signed by bulls and just wasted away in the accademy side, never to be seen again, The lad is keen to play fist team rugby,and as i said previously if he's good enough,he'll get through. many more have before him and many more will in the future.[/p][/quote]I'm not entirely sure what "leaning difficuties" are. Perhaps you could enlighten me..? And no you weren't going "to" fast for me. Since Orford is going to instrumental in guiding this youngster, it seems obvious that the club see him as a S/H - yes I agree that some roles nowadays are interchangeable - particularly the halves and hooker, but Orford is an out and out scrum-half in the truest sense. If he is being given the remit of helping to develop the lad then it would seem clear that the club see his future at 7. monkeysmacker

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