Bradford Bulls: One prop then I'll stop, says Cummins (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

notice he says another player would put us upto budget and not salary cap, which we plainly are not spending.

be interesting to see who he has in mind, there can't be too many decent props not already signed up.
i am also a little concerned that we are going in to the season with only 2 halves . i would think he he is probably planning on using Kearny as a make shift half in case of injury but i think this is an area we might struggle as the season draws on.

Someone just posted on RLFans that Liam McAvoy has gone to Leeds.

If right I wonder why we let him go.

Mumby was the best wrote:
Someone just posted on RLFans that Liam McAvoy has gone to Leeds.

If right I wonder why we let him go.

Aye the same person that thought Ladbrokes were our sponsor.........

Then that squad is wafer thin. One more prop will mean we have Scruton, Nas, Ben Evans ( never played SL ) + the new guy and that's it.Against the wire front row or Leeds, or Hull's pack next year?

That is nowhere near strong enough for SL.

Solomon Grundy wrote:
Then that squad is wafer thin. One more prop will mean we have Scruton, Nas, Ben Evans ( never played SL ) + the new guy and that's it.Against the wire front row or Leeds, or Hull's pack next year?

That is nowhere near strong enough for SL.

I reckon Jamie Langley will do a Peacock and move forward in the pack.He runs directly enough.

Shipley Paul wrote:

Solomon Grundy wrote:
Then that squad is wafer thin. One more prop will mean we have Scruton, Nas, Ben Evans ( never played SL ) + the new guy and that's it.Against the wire front row or Leeds, or Hull's pack next year?

That is nowhere near strong enough for SL.

I reckon Jamie Langley will do a Peacock and move forward in the pack.He runs directly enough.

yeah i agree , plus he is still pretty much an 80 minute man and tackles non stop. will give us an extra option in the front row, and to be fair he was never a ball handling lose forward in the traditional sense !

we will be slaughtered against the bigger teams like rhino's, wire, catalans, huddersfield. nas and scruton arent capable of doing much game time (scruton will probably go down injured all season) we will miss burgess's power, elima's aggression and hargreaves work load. we wont even get the ball up the park with the props we have.

adam sidlow is on his way- he isnt wanted by salford which says it all really.

we are also short on cover for sammutt and gale as southenwood was regarded as surplus requirements by bulls and was given his marching orders.

very worrying indeed

Ha ha ha viking get back off your saga holiday and get your boots out, were in the money we got no forwards, sing along.
A squad assembled by a winger clearly shows even after all his years in the game he does not understand where the game is won and lost.

It's plain to see we will have by far the weakest pack in SL and no real cover. Wire Leeds, Cat, etc will simply smash us up the middle in the first 20min. Huddersfield will be a real force now because they have a real good set of forwards, which will create a great platform for the backs. Bradford need at least 3 more quality props, because Scrotum will not even survive pre season warm up!

You've got to feel sorry for Viking, it can't be easy getting it so wrong all the time.

Only enough money for one more prop? I have a distinct feeling of deja vu.

Trolls everywhere AgHHHH

Come on sheff give us your one eyed biased view seeing as saga old man hiding away on holiday, I do know he is having a blast at the moment and has been reading the forum .It must be a barrel of laughs going away with him, come on viking sing along, we've got no money,we've got no forwards, what a mess we've got for a team.

mdn wrote:
notice he says another player would put us upto budget and not salary cap, which we plainly are not spending.

We must be a long way from spending up to the salary cap given the squad we have.
No problem if this is all we can afford but we have previously been told that we are spending up to the cap!

Oh ye of little faith
Succesful businesses run on a budget not a cap. We haven't done that for a long time.
7 months ago we were nearly non existent.
Isn't it time we put up or shut up?
A top eight finish and a challenge cup semi final spot wouldn't be a bad season considering the last few years.

bullbob wrote:
Oh ye of little faith
Succesful businesses run on a budget not a cap. We haven't done that for a long time.
7 months ago we were nearly non existent.
Isn't it time we put up or shut up?
A top eight finish and a challenge cup semi final spot wouldn't be a bad season considering the last few years.

Most realistc fans will bite your hand off!!!

top 8 and cup semi

YES PLEASE

Ralphie wrote:

mdn wrote:
notice he says another player would put us upto budget and not salary cap, which we plainly are not spending.

We must be a long way from spending up to the salary cap given the squad we have.
No problem if this is all we can afford but we have previously been told that we are spending up to the cap!

We would spend the full cap if needed is what was said ! FC obviously thinks we dont and has stuck to the preffered budget.

Dont forget through the season players may become available so there is nothing wrong in leaving some room to move.

don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend.
money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount.
we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future.
they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.

After all the injuries we had last season i can not believe fc thinks 27 is going to be enough considering we had i think 33

GHEEE we are not going to win the Grand Final ..

this year is all about the team stabilising both on and off the pitch!

lets have a decent season .. finish as high as we can .. 8th or 9th or where we can! ..

Again the dead wood can be released but FC and the rest of the back room team can then look at how we can improve for the following season!

We hopefully then can get on a level playing field.

We appear to be starting with a clean slate now .. and not "pretending" to be the same club we was when we dominated the league .. though in reality we was in all sorts of issues off the pitch!

Small steps .. be wonderful for the team to improve this year .. which can give us a platform!!!

Jason Netherton hasn't signed with anyone yet-is it possibly in the background?
I also think Jamie langley will move up front-think he would make a good prop and his tackling wokload is 2nd to none. Yes, Elima was agressive but how many penalties did he give away and he also was out injured quite a bit.
We've also got another good kicker this year, which we were lacking in 2012 and if Purtell is allowed to play again we have a very strong back line.
Rome wasn't built in a day-look when Brian Smith took over and how long it took to materialise then. What we need is another Peter Deakin to stimulate more sponsorship and marketing avenues for next year etc

When promotion and relegation returns after the current license period comes to an end will weed out weak clubs like the bulls.

Solomon Grundy wrote:
Then that squad is wafer thin. One more prop will mean we have Scruton, Nas, Ben Evans ( never played SL ) + the new guy and that's it.Against the wire front row or Leeds, or Hull's pack next year?

That is nowhere near strong enough for SL.

You know Solomon, you post the same doom and gloom about every signing and every player who re-signs for the club.
I realise your concern, but bear in mind we are at the start, and it's not yet the end game.
As a club that has been through so much that is negative over the last year. Could you not see that what FC and the new board are doing is absolutely top notch given the circumstances we are faced with.

All they can do is the best at all times!

As supporters we should help them achieve what we want as entertainment for 2013!
As far as I can see the Bulls are once again doing the ground work for that to happen.

I was looking through some collected items the other day, and I came across a Bulls folder with the following legend>

"Quality is never an accident: it is always the result of high intention and sincere effort, intelligent direction and skilful execution: it represents the wise choice of many alternatives."

Good saying??
COYB

How childish are the troll(s) saying Viking where are you? viking viking I`m missing you, Sheff please talk to me.
How sad never mind.

Lets be honest we are starting from the bottom regarding recuit ment

We are in all a new club we have retained some quality player who want to play for Bradford they had chances to sign for other clubs

We have ample players who can play at prop and a good addition will boost that

Give FC a chance lets look forward to a season we may have never had .

The club was rescued from the brink and is now being run as a business by good business men

Omar can hold his had up high and say ths club will move onwards and upwards together with his team he is securing the club with investment and sponsership.

We now as fans supporters need to get at the back of the team and give them the support we have given over the last year coyb

bartsbull wrote:
Lets be honest we are starting from the bottom regarding recuit ment

We are in all a new club we have retained some quality player who want to play for Bradford they had chances to sign for other clubs

We have ample players who can play at prop and a good addition will boost that

Give FC a chance lets look forward to a season we may have never had .

The club was rescued from the brink and is now being run as a business by good business men

Omar can hold his had up high and say ths club will move onwards and upwards together with his team he is securing the club with investment and sponsership.

We now as fans supporters need to get at the back of the team and give them the support we have given over the last year coyb

Agree entirely.Ignore the doommongers.
Last year it looked like we were doomed now we are alive and kicking. So what if we get on the end of thrashings, it`ll please some on here, but as long as there is effort and commitment the genuine fans will stick around because they know how near to oblivion we were.
Anyway we still have some very good players who obviously wanted to stick around.COYB

Mumby was the best wrote:

bartsbull wrote:
Lets be honest we are starting from the bottom regarding recuit ment

We are in all a new club we have retained some quality player who want to play for Bradford they had chances to sign for other clubs

We have ample players who can play at prop and a good addition will boost that

Give FC a chance lets look forward to a season we may have never had .

The club was rescued from the brink and is now being run as a business by good business men

Omar can hold his had up high and say ths club will move onwards and upwards together with his team he is securing the club with investment and sponsership.

We now as fans supporters need to get at the back of the team and give them the support we have given over the last year coyb

Agree entirely.Ignore the doommongers.
Last year it looked like we were doomed now we are alive and kicking. So what if we get on the end of thrashings, it`ll please some on here, but as long as there is effort and commitment the genuine fans will stick around because they know how near to oblivion we were.
Anyway we still have some very good players who obviously wanted to stick around.COYB

Here here. A few months back we were looking at ceasing to exist. Then it was championship rugby. Now we have a new owner, a respected and well liked coach, a massive sponsorship, and several young lads (with huge talent) signed up on long deals.
.
A couple of spankings is something to cheer about, because it means one thing - WE ARE SUPER LEAGUE!

Mumbly in please talk to me shocker, Mumbly you did not stick to your word so are worthless to me, I post the truth on here not a bias pile of nonsense like you. Man up lad take it on the chin and express your opinion.

Notice FC says the signing of a prop could complete his squad for next season and with the addition of a prop he would be more than happy with where we are with the squad at this stage of the season......notice he said "could" not would and "at this stage in the season"..its a long season and if the moneys there players can still be brought in ......

franklyn wrote:
don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend.
money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount.
we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future.
they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.

Sorry but you are now talking rubbish.

I refuse to go into the in's and out's of it. You must stop trying to hoodwink people with your font of knowledge(or not as the case may be)

raisemeup wrote:

Solomon Grundy wrote:
Then that squad is wafer thin. One more prop will mean we have Scruton, Nas, Ben Evans ( never played SL ) + the new guy and that's it.Against the wire front row or Leeds, or Hull's pack next year?

That is nowhere near strong enough for SL.

You know Solomon, you post the same doom and gloom about every signing and every player who re-signs for the club.
I realise your concern, but bear in mind we are at the start, and it's not yet the end game.
As a club that has been through so much that is negative over the last year. Could you not see that what FC and the new board are doing is absolutely top notch given the circumstances we are faced with.

All they can do is the best at all times!

As supporters we should help them achieve what we want as entertainment for 2013!
As far as I can see the Bulls are once again doing the ground work for that to happen.

I was looking through some collected items the other day, and I came across a Bulls folder with the following legend>

"Quality is never an accident: it is always the result of high intention and sincere effort, intelligent direction and skilful execution: it represents the wise choice of many alternatives."

Good saying??
COYB

It is not doom and gloom, it is a fair and sensible estimate of where we could very easily be, since injuries come thick and fast in SL and to prop forwards most of all.

I am both worried and disappointed by Cummins bizarre refusal to replace THREE outgoing props, with a junior from warrington, a player of our own who has barely played in 2 years with injuries and might just be crocked and our best defensive back rower.

What did Potter seek to do straight away? Give us both numbers and size in the forwards. After a great season last year in spite of everything it would be awful to see us throw the momentum we have away - and as I said before, the squad is wafer thin and we need more than one to replace the players who have left.

There will always be those who just don't or won't get it! the rest of us can see we are so lucky to have a club at all, so lucky to have a coach who actually talks to the fans and so lucky to have a team who will compete if not dazzle next season after we had mostly given up hope. We are also lucky to have sponsors willing to invest and this is a great credit to our new board, who we are lucky to have. So!!!! its all about how LUCKY we are and with that thought who cares about the odd 'troll'?. Most of us had virtually given up on our beloved club and saw it being stolen away from us by some egotistical nobodys arguing amongst themselves and destroying everything before our eyes. But it's all change, just like a breath of fresh air, so good luck to our new board and coach and if you continue to involve the fans in all you do, keep us informed of developments where you can, everything will come up smelling of roses!!! That's my two penneth.

raisemeup wrote:

franklyn wrote:
don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend.
money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount.
we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future.
they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.

Sorry but you are now talking rubbish.

I refuse to go into the in's and out's of it. You must stop trying to hoodwink people with your font of knowledge(or not as the case may be)

And what makes you mr know it all then.
its easy to tell people they are talking rubbish, then not have an explanation as to why.
When bulls were forwarded the money to tide them over and see out last season,they were told it was being forwarded from the bulls share of tv moneys for 2013. therefor it will count as part of 2013 spending.

franklyn wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

franklyn wrote:
don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend.
money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount.
we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future.
they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.

Sorry but you are now talking rubbish.

I refuse to go into the in's and out's of it. You must stop trying to hoodwink people with your font of knowledge(or not as the case may be)

And what makes you mr know it all then.
its easy to tell people they are talking rubbish, then not have an explanation as to why.
When bulls were forwarded the money to tide them over and see out last season,they were told it was being forwarded from the bulls share of tv moneys for 2013. therefor it will count as part of 2013 spending.

Are you sure it was 2013`s money I thought it was what was due in 2012.
Surely they would not have advanced 2013 when it was not till Sept that it was confirmed we were still going to be in SL.

franklyn wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

franklyn wrote:
don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend.
money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount.
we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future.
they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.

Sorry but you are now talking rubbish.

I refuse to go into the in's and out's of it. You must stop trying to hoodwink people with your font of knowledge(or not as the case may be)

And what makes you mr know it all then.
its easy to tell people they are talking rubbish, then not have an explanation as to why.
When bulls were forwarded the money to tide them over and see out last season,they were told it was being forwarded from the bulls share of tv moneys for 2013. therefor it will count as part of 2013 spending.

Your correct that it was (partially at least) an advance on 2013 sky funding. But it was our choice to spend it in 2012. It has no bearing on our 2013 cap spend, other than fact we have to find the money from somewhere else.

Maybe a Provident loan ?

franklyn wrote:

raisemeup wrote:

franklyn wrote:
don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend.
money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount.
we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future.
they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.

Sorry but you are now talking rubbish.

I refuse to go into the in's and out's of it. You must stop trying to hoodwink people with your font of knowledge(or not as the case may be)

And what makes you mr know it all then.
its easy to tell people they are talking rubbish, then not have an explanation as to why.
When bulls were forwarded the money to tide them over and see out last season,they were told it was being forwarded from the bulls share of tv moneys for 2013. therefor it will count as part of 2013 spending.

Sorry to sound off Franklyn. Not really a hanging matter is it.
But others have answered the post you first raised.
As far as I know the last 4 months of 2012 is without any of the agreed tv money, because the old regime was granted the advance to keep the season going.

However this money does not affect the salary cap for 2013 which is £1.6 million. I think? If indeed a proportion of the money was advanced as 2013 share of the £1.2 million that SL clubs get, then the RFL obviously had decided we would be a SL club in 2013, which according to them they wouldn't confirm until the fat lady sang. Which she has and we are...chin up my friend it can only go one way from where we were, can't it???

Better a small squad who will fight for each other & the club, than a large squad of journeymen who don't really care.

What we need is for the supporters to get behind the boys and realise we are building for 3 years time. COYB