Bradford Bulls: One prop then I'll stop, says Francis Cummins

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Out-of-contract James Donaldson has signed a new deal keeping him at the club for the 2013 season Out-of-contract James Donaldson has signed a new deal keeping him at the club for the 2013 season

Bulls coach Francis Cummins has admitted the acquisition of a new prop could complete his squad for next season.

James Donaldson yesterday became the latest player to sign up for the 2013 campaign when he put pen to paper on a one-year deal.

Four other out-of-contract players – Chev Walker, Manase Manuokafoa, Jarrod Sammut and Danny Addy – have also penned fresh terms and three new faces have been signed in Matty Blythe, Ben Evans and Jamie Foster.

Furthermore, teenage trio Curtis Naughton, Oliver Roberts and Sam Wood have been added to Cummins’ squad for next season.

The recruitment of a new prop is now a priority following the departure of Bryn Hargreaves, Tom Burgess and Craig Kopczak.

Cummins said: “We’re looking to get a frontline prop and we’re probably on the budget then.

“If I do get the prop then I’ll be more than happy with where we are with the squad at this stage of the season.

“With the signings we’ve made so far, we’re creeping up to 23 players in the first-team squad. That becomes 26 with Sam, Curtis and Oliver.”

Cummins has told Dewsbury coach and former Bulls forward Glenn Morrison that he can make no guarantees about which players may be allowed to play at the Championship club next season.

The Bulls have entered into a partnership agreement with the Rams but Cummins added: “I’ve told Glenn where we are as a squad but, given we’re up to 26 players, there are going to be some players available to him.”

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8:15am Tue 13 Nov 12

mdn says...

notice he says another player would put us upto budget and not salary cap, which we plainly are not spending.
notice he says another player would put us upto budget and not salary cap, which we plainly are not spending. mdn

8:29am Tue 13 Nov 12

Steampig says...

be interesting to see who he has in mind, there can't be too many decent props not already signed up.
i am also a little concerned that we are going in to the season with only 2 halves . i would think he he is probably planning on using Kearny as a make shift half in case of injury but i think this is an area we might struggle as the season draws on.
be interesting to see who he has in mind, there can't be too many decent props not already signed up. i am also a little concerned that we are going in to the season with only 2 halves . i would think he he is probably planning on using Kearny as a make shift half in case of injury but i think this is an area we might struggle as the season draws on. Steampig

8:32am Tue 13 Nov 12

Mumby was the best says...

Someone just posted on RLFans that Liam McAvoy has gone to Leeds.

If right I wonder why we let him go.
Someone just posted on RLFans that Liam McAvoy has gone to Leeds. If right I wonder why we let him go. Mumby was the best

8:34am Tue 13 Nov 12

Steam Pigs says...

Mumby was the best wrote:
Someone just posted on RLFans that Liam McAvoy has gone to Leeds.

If right I wonder why we let him go.
Aye the same person that thought Ladbrokes were our sponsor.........
[quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: Someone just posted on RLFans that Liam McAvoy has gone to Leeds. If right I wonder why we let him go.[/p][/quote]Aye the same person that thought Ladbrokes were our sponsor......... Steam Pigs

8:45am Tue 13 Nov 12

Solomon Grundy says...

Then that squad is wafer thin. One more prop will mean we have Scruton, Nas, Ben Evans ( never played SL ) + the new guy and that's it.Against the wire front row or Leeds, or Hull's pack next year?

That is nowhere near strong enough for SL.
Then that squad is wafer thin. One more prop will mean we have Scruton, Nas, Ben Evans ( never played SL ) + the new guy and that's it.Against the wire front row or Leeds, or Hull's pack next year? That is nowhere near strong enough for SL. Solomon Grundy

8:52am Tue 13 Nov 12

Shipley Paul says...

Solomon Grundy wrote:
Then that squad is wafer thin. One more prop will mean we have Scruton, Nas, Ben Evans ( never played SL ) + the new guy and that's it.Against the wire front row or Leeds, or Hull's pack next year?

That is nowhere near strong enough for SL.
I reckon Jamie Langley will do a Peacock and move forward in the pack.He runs directly enough.
[quote][p][bold]Solomon Grundy[/bold] wrote: Then that squad is wafer thin. One more prop will mean we have Scruton, Nas, Ben Evans ( never played SL ) + the new guy and that's it.Against the wire front row or Leeds, or Hull's pack next year? That is nowhere near strong enough for SL.[/p][/quote]I reckon Jamie Langley will do a Peacock and move forward in the pack.He runs directly enough. Shipley Paul

8:56am Tue 13 Nov 12

Steampig says...

Shipley Paul wrote:
Solomon Grundy wrote:
Then that squad is wafer thin. One more prop will mean we have Scruton, Nas, Ben Evans ( never played SL ) + the new guy and that's it.Against the wire front row or Leeds, or Hull's pack next year?

That is nowhere near strong enough for SL.
I reckon Jamie Langley will do a Peacock and move forward in the pack.He runs directly enough.
yeah i agree , plus he is still pretty much an 80 minute man and tackles non stop. will give us an extra option in the front row, and to be fair he was never a ball handling lose forward in the traditional sense !
[quote][p][bold]Shipley Paul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Solomon Grundy[/bold] wrote: Then that squad is wafer thin. One more prop will mean we have Scruton, Nas, Ben Evans ( never played SL ) + the new guy and that's it.Against the wire front row or Leeds, or Hull's pack next year? That is nowhere near strong enough for SL.[/p][/quote]I reckon Jamie Langley will do a Peacock and move forward in the pack.He runs directly enough.[/p][/quote]yeah i agree , plus he is still pretty much an 80 minute man and tackles non stop. will give us an extra option in the front row, and to be fair he was never a ball handling lose forward in the traditional sense ! Steampig

9:06am Tue 13 Nov 12

Uglytruth says...

we will be slaughtered against the bigger teams like rhino's, wire, catalans, huddersfield. nas and scruton arent capable of doing much game time (scruton will probably go down injured all season) we will miss burgess's power, elima's aggression and hargreaves work load. we wont even get the ball up the park with the props we have.

adam sidlow is on his way- he isnt wanted by salford which says it all really.

we are also short on cover for sammutt and gale as southenwood was regarded as surplus requirements by bulls and was given his marching orders.

very worrying indeed
we will be slaughtered against the bigger teams like rhino's, wire, catalans, huddersfield. nas and scruton arent capable of doing much game time (scruton will probably go down injured all season) we will miss burgess's power, elima's aggression and hargreaves work load. we wont even get the ball up the park with the props we have. adam sidlow is on his way- he isnt wanted by salford which says it all really. we are also short on cover for sammutt and gale as southenwood was regarded as surplus requirements by bulls and was given his marching orders. very worrying indeed Uglytruth

9:08am Tue 13 Nov 12

ifallwerelikemumby says...

Ha ha ha viking get back off your saga holiday and get your boots out, were in the money we got no forwards, sing along.
A squad assembled by a winger clearly shows even after all his years in the game he does not understand where the game is won and lost.
Ha ha ha viking get back off your saga holiday and get your boots out, were in the money we got no forwards, sing along. A squad assembled by a winger clearly shows even after all his years in the game he does not understand where the game is won and lost. ifallwerelikemumby

9:27am Tue 13 Nov 12

MeccaBingo1 says...

It's plain to see we will have by far the weakest pack in SL and no real cover. Wire Leeds, Cat, etc will simply smash us up the middle in the first 20min. Huddersfield will be a real force now because they have a real good set of forwards, which will create a great platform for the backs. Bradford need at least 3 more quality props, because Scrotum will not even survive pre season warm up!
It's plain to see we will have by far the weakest pack in SL and no real cover. Wire Leeds, Cat, etc will simply smash us up the middle in the first 20min. Huddersfield will be a real force now because they have a real good set of forwards, which will create a great platform for the backs. Bradford need at least 3 more quality props, because Scrotum will not even survive pre season warm up! MeccaBingo1

9:28am Tue 13 Nov 12

VJ Man says...

You've got to feel sorry for Viking, it can't be easy getting it so wrong all the time.

Only enough money for one more prop? I have a distinct feeling of deja vu.
You've got to feel sorry for Viking, it can't be easy getting it so wrong all the time. Only enough money for one more prop? I have a distinct feeling of deja vu. VJ Man

9:36am Tue 13 Nov 12

Capabull says...

Trolls everywhere AgHHHH
Trolls everywhere AgHHHH Capabull

9:39am Tue 13 Nov 12

ifallwerelikemumby says...

Come on sheff give us your one eyed biased view seeing as saga old man hiding away on holiday, I do know he is having a blast at the moment and has been reading the forum .It must be a barrel of laughs going away with him, come on viking sing along, we've got no money,we've got no forwards, what a mess we've got for a team.
Come on sheff give us your one eyed biased view seeing as saga old man hiding away on holiday, I do know he is having a blast at the moment and has been reading the forum .It must be a barrel of laughs going away with him, come on viking sing along, we've got no money,we've got no forwards, what a mess we've got for a team. ifallwerelikemumby

9:57am Tue 13 Nov 12

Ralphie says...

mdn wrote:
notice he says another player would put us upto budget and not salary cap, which we plainly are not spending.
We must be a long way from spending up to the salary cap given the squad we have.
No problem if this is all we can afford but we have previously been told that we are spending up to the cap!
[quote][p][bold]mdn[/bold] wrote: notice he says another player would put us upto budget and not salary cap, which we plainly are not spending.[/p][/quote]We must be a long way from spending up to the salary cap given the squad we have. No problem if this is all we can afford but we have previously been told that we are spending up to the cap! Ralphie

10:15am Tue 13 Nov 12

bullbob says...

Oh ye of little faith
Succesful businesses run on a budget not a cap. We haven't done that for a long time.
7 months ago we were nearly non existent.
Isn't it time we put up or shut up?
A top eight finish and a challenge cup semi final spot wouldn't be a bad season considering the last few years.
Oh ye of little faith Succesful businesses run on a budget not a cap. We haven't done that for a long time. 7 months ago we were nearly non existent. Isn't it time we put up or shut up? A top eight finish and a challenge cup semi final spot wouldn't be a bad season considering the last few years. bullbob

10:18am Tue 13 Nov 12

Steam Pigs says...

bullbob wrote:
Oh ye of little faith
Succesful businesses run on a budget not a cap. We haven't done that for a long time.
7 months ago we were nearly non existent.
Isn't it time we put up or shut up?
A top eight finish and a challenge cup semi final spot wouldn't be a bad season considering the last few years.
Most realistc fans will bite your hand off!!!

top 8 and cup semi

YES PLEASE
[quote][p][bold]bullbob[/bold] wrote: Oh ye of little faith Succesful businesses run on a budget not a cap. We haven't done that for a long time. 7 months ago we were nearly non existent. Isn't it time we put up or shut up? A top eight finish and a challenge cup semi final spot wouldn't be a bad season considering the last few years.[/p][/quote]Most realistc fans will bite your hand off!!! top 8 and cup semi YES PLEASE Steam Pigs

10:20am Tue 13 Nov 12

bullybullman says...

Ralphie wrote:
mdn wrote:
notice he says another player would put us upto budget and not salary cap, which we plainly are not spending.
We must be a long way from spending up to the salary cap given the squad we have.
No problem if this is all we can afford but we have previously been told that we are spending up to the cap!
We would spend the full cap if needed is what was said ! FC obviously thinks we dont and has stuck to the preffered budget.

Dont forget through the season players may become available so there is nothing wrong in leaving some room to move.
[quote][p][bold]Ralphie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mdn[/bold] wrote: notice he says another player would put us upto budget and not salary cap, which we plainly are not spending.[/p][/quote]We must be a long way from spending up to the salary cap given the squad we have. No problem if this is all we can afford but we have previously been told that we are spending up to the cap![/p][/quote]We would spend the full cap if needed is what was said ! FC obviously thinks we dont and has stuck to the preffered budget. Dont forget through the season players may become available so there is nothing wrong in leaving some room to move. bullybullman

10:40am Tue 13 Nov 12

franklyn says...

don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend.
money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount.
we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future.
they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.
don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend. money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount. we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future. they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances. franklyn

10:42am Tue 13 Nov 12

bullsone03 says...

After all the injuries we had last season i can not believe fc thinks 27 is going to be enough considering we had i think 33
After all the injuries we had last season i can not believe fc thinks 27 is going to be enough considering we had i think 33 bullsone03

11:00am Tue 13 Nov 12

pweibj67 says...

GHEEE we are not going to win the Grand Final ..

this year is all about the team stabilising both on and off the pitch!

lets have a decent season .. finish as high as we can .. 8th or 9th or where we can! ..

Again the dead wood can be released but FC and the rest of the back room team can then look at how we can improve for the following season!

We hopefully then can get on a level playing field.

We appear to be starting with a clean slate now .. and not "pretending" to be the same club we was when we dominated the league .. though in reality we was in all sorts of issues off the pitch!

Small steps .. be wonderful for the team to improve this year .. which can give us a platform!!!
GHEEE we are not going to win the Grand Final .. this year is all about the team stabilising both on and off the pitch! lets have a decent season .. finish as high as we can .. 8th or 9th or where we can! .. Again the dead wood can be released but FC and the rest of the back room team can then look at how we can improve for the following season! We hopefully then can get on a level playing field. We appear to be starting with a clean slate now .. and not "pretending" to be the same club we was when we dominated the league .. though in reality we was in all sorts of issues off the pitch! Small steps .. be wonderful for the team to improve this year .. which can give us a platform!!! pweibj67

11:05am Tue 13 Nov 12

Videoref says...

Jason Netherton hasn't signed with anyone yet-is it possibly in the background?
I also think Jamie langley will move up front-think he would make a good prop and his tackling wokload is 2nd to none. Yes, Elima was agressive but how many penalties did he give away and he also was out injured quite a bit.
We've also got another good kicker this year, which we were lacking in 2012 and if Purtell is allowed to play again we have a very strong back line.
Rome wasn't built in a day-look when Brian Smith took over and how long it took to materialise then. What we need is another Peter Deakin to stimulate more sponsorship and marketing avenues for next year etc
Jason Netherton hasn't signed with anyone yet-is it possibly in the background? I also think Jamie langley will move up front-think he would make a good prop and his tackling wokload is 2nd to none. Yes, Elima was agressive but how many penalties did he give away and he also was out injured quite a bit. We've also got another good kicker this year, which we were lacking in 2012 and if Purtell is allowed to play again we have a very strong back line. Rome wasn't built in a day-look when Brian Smith took over and how long it took to materialise then. What we need is another Peter Deakin to stimulate more sponsorship and marketing avenues for next year etc Videoref

11:06am Tue 13 Nov 12

ifallwerelikemumby says...

When promotion and relegation returns after the current license period comes to an end will weed out weak clubs like the bulls.
When promotion and relegation returns after the current license period comes to an end will weed out weak clubs like the bulls. ifallwerelikemumby

11:17am Tue 13 Nov 12

raisemeup says...

Solomon Grundy wrote:
Then that squad is wafer thin. One more prop will mean we have Scruton, Nas, Ben Evans ( never played SL ) + the new guy and that's it.Against the wire front row or Leeds, or Hull's pack next year?

That is nowhere near strong enough for SL.
You know Solomon, you post the same doom and gloom about every signing and every player who re-signs for the club.
I realise your concern, but bear in mind we are at the start, and it's not yet the end game.
As a club that has been through so much that is negative over the last year. Could you not see that what FC and the new board are doing is absolutely top notch given the circumstances we are faced with.

All they can do is the best at all times!

As supporters we should help them achieve what we want as entertainment for 2013!
As far as I can see the Bulls are once again doing the ground work for that to happen.

I was looking through some collected items the other day, and I came across a Bulls folder with the following legend>

"Quality is never an accident: it is always the result of high intention and sincere effort, intelligent direction and skilful execution: it represents the wise choice of many alternatives."

Good saying??
COYB
[quote][p][bold]Solomon Grundy[/bold] wrote: Then that squad is wafer thin. One more prop will mean we have Scruton, Nas, Ben Evans ( never played SL ) + the new guy and that's it.Against the wire front row or Leeds, or Hull's pack next year? That is nowhere near strong enough for SL.[/p][/quote]You know Solomon, you post the same doom and gloom about every signing and every player who re-signs for the club. I realise your concern, but bear in mind we are at the start, and it's not yet the end game. As a club that has been through so much that is negative over the last year. Could you not see that what FC and the new board are doing is absolutely top notch given the circumstances we are faced with. All they can do is the best at all times! As supporters we should help them achieve what we want as entertainment for 2013! As far as I can see the Bulls are once again doing the ground work for that to happen. I was looking through some collected items the other day, and I came across a Bulls folder with the following legend> "Quality is never an accident: it is always the result of high intention and sincere effort, intelligent direction and skilful execution: it represents the wise choice of many alternatives." Good saying?? COYB raisemeup

12:25pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Mumby was the best says...

How childish are the troll(s) saying Viking where are you? viking viking I`m missing you, Sheff please talk to me.
How sad never mind.
How childish are the troll(s) saying Viking where are you? viking viking I`m missing you, Sheff please talk to me. How sad never mind. Mumby was the best

12:31pm Tue 13 Nov 12

bartsbull says...

Lets be honest we are starting from the bottom regarding recuit ment

We are in all a new club we have retained some quality player who want to play for Bradford they had chances to sign for other clubs

We have ample players who can play at prop and a good addition will boost that

Give FC a chance lets look forward to a season we may have never had .

The club was rescued from the brink and is now being run as a business by good business men

Omar can hold his had up high and say ths club will move onwards and upwards together with his team he is securing the club with investment and sponsership.

We now as fans supporters need to get at the back of the team and give them the support we have given over the last year coyb
Lets be honest we are starting from the bottom regarding recuit ment We are in all a new club we have retained some quality player who want to play for Bradford they had chances to sign for other clubs We have ample players who can play at prop and a good addition will boost that Give FC a chance lets look forward to a season we may have never had . The club was rescued from the brink and is now being run as a business by good business men Omar can hold his had up high and say ths club will move onwards and upwards together with his team he is securing the club with investment and sponsership. We now as fans supporters need to get at the back of the team and give them the support we have given over the last year coyb bartsbull

12:46pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Mumby was the best says...

bartsbull wrote:
Lets be honest we are starting from the bottom regarding recuit ment

We are in all a new club we have retained some quality player who want to play for Bradford they had chances to sign for other clubs

We have ample players who can play at prop and a good addition will boost that

Give FC a chance lets look forward to a season we may have never had .

The club was rescued from the brink and is now being run as a business by good business men

Omar can hold his had up high and say ths club will move onwards and upwards together with his team he is securing the club with investment and sponsership.

We now as fans supporters need to get at the back of the team and give them the support we have given over the last year coyb
Agree entirely.Ignore the doommongers.
Last year it looked like we were doomed now we are alive and kicking. So what if we get on the end of thrashings, it`ll please some on here, but as long as there is effort and commitment the genuine fans will stick around because they know how near to oblivion we were.
Anyway we still have some very good players who obviously wanted to stick around.COYB
[quote][p][bold]bartsbull[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest we are starting from the bottom regarding recuit ment We are in all a new club we have retained some quality player who want to play for Bradford they had chances to sign for other clubs We have ample players who can play at prop and a good addition will boost that Give FC a chance lets look forward to a season we may have never had . The club was rescued from the brink and is now being run as a business by good business men Omar can hold his had up high and say ths club will move onwards and upwards together with his team he is securing the club with investment and sponsership. We now as fans supporters need to get at the back of the team and give them the support we have given over the last year coyb[/p][/quote]Agree entirely.Ignore the doommongers. Last year it looked like we were doomed now we are alive and kicking. So what if we get on the end of thrashings, it`ll please some on here, but as long as there is effort and commitment the genuine fans will stick around because they know how near to oblivion we were. Anyway we still have some very good players who obviously wanted to stick around.COYB Mumby was the best

1:17pm Tue 13 Nov 12

flashdonut says...

Mumby was the best wrote:
bartsbull wrote:
Lets be honest we are starting from the bottom regarding recuit ment

We are in all a new club we have retained some quality player who want to play for Bradford they had chances to sign for other clubs

We have ample players who can play at prop and a good addition will boost that

Give FC a chance lets look forward to a season we may have never had .

The club was rescued from the brink and is now being run as a business by good business men

Omar can hold his had up high and say ths club will move onwards and upwards together with his team he is securing the club with investment and sponsership.

We now as fans supporters need to get at the back of the team and give them the support we have given over the last year coyb
Agree entirely.Ignore the doommongers.
Last year it looked like we were doomed now we are alive and kicking. So what if we get on the end of thrashings, it`ll please some on here, but as long as there is effort and commitment the genuine fans will stick around because they know how near to oblivion we were.
Anyway we still have some very good players who obviously wanted to stick around.COYB
Here here. A few months back we were looking at ceasing to exist. Then it was championship rugby. Now we have a new owner, a respected and well liked coach, a massive sponsorship, and several young lads (with huge talent) signed up on long deals.
.
A couple of spankings is something to cheer about, because it means one thing - WE ARE SUPER LEAGUE!
[quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bartsbull[/bold] wrote: Lets be honest we are starting from the bottom regarding recuit ment We are in all a new club we have retained some quality player who want to play for Bradford they had chances to sign for other clubs We have ample players who can play at prop and a good addition will boost that Give FC a chance lets look forward to a season we may have never had . The club was rescued from the brink and is now being run as a business by good business men Omar can hold his had up high and say ths club will move onwards and upwards together with his team he is securing the club with investment and sponsership. We now as fans supporters need to get at the back of the team and give them the support we have given over the last year coyb[/p][/quote]Agree entirely.Ignore the doommongers. Last year it looked like we were doomed now we are alive and kicking. So what if we get on the end of thrashings, it`ll please some on here, but as long as there is effort and commitment the genuine fans will stick around because they know how near to oblivion we were. Anyway we still have some very good players who obviously wanted to stick around.COYB[/p][/quote]Here here. A few months back we were looking at ceasing to exist. Then it was championship rugby. Now we have a new owner, a respected and well liked coach, a massive sponsorship, and several young lads (with huge talent) signed up on long deals. . A couple of spankings is something to cheer about, because it means one thing - WE ARE SUPER LEAGUE! flashdonut

1:44pm Tue 13 Nov 12

ifallwerelikemumby says...

Mumbly in please talk to me shocker, Mumbly you did not stick to your word so are worthless to me, I post the truth on here not a bias pile of nonsense like you. Man up lad take it on the chin and express your opinion.
Mumbly in please talk to me shocker, Mumbly you did not stick to your word so are worthless to me, I post the truth on here not a bias pile of nonsense like you. Man up lad take it on the chin and express your opinion. ifallwerelikemumby

2:18pm Tue 13 Nov 12

-HCK3R- says...

Notice FC says the signing of a prop could complete his squad for next season and with the addition of a prop he would be more than happy with where we are with the squad at this stage of the season......notice he said "could" not would and "at this stage in the season"..its a long season and if the moneys there players can still be brought in ......
Notice FC says the signing of a prop could complete his squad for next season and with the addition of a prop he would be more than happy with where we are with the squad at this stage of the season......notice he said "could" not would and "at this stage in the season"..its a long season and if the moneys there players can still be brought in ...... -HCK3R-

3:42pm Tue 13 Nov 12

raisemeup says...

franklyn wrote:
don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend.
money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount.
we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future.
they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.
Sorry but you are now talking rubbish.

I refuse to go into the in's and out's of it. You must stop trying to hoodwink people with your font of knowledge(or not as the case may be)
[quote][p][bold]franklyn[/bold] wrote: don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend. money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount. we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future. they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.[/p][/quote]Sorry but you are now talking rubbish. I refuse to go into the in's and out's of it. You must stop trying to hoodwink people with your font of knowledge(or not as the case may be) raisemeup

5:38pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Solomon Grundy says...

raisemeup wrote:
Solomon Grundy wrote:
Then that squad is wafer thin. One more prop will mean we have Scruton, Nas, Ben Evans ( never played SL ) + the new guy and that's it.Against the wire front row or Leeds, or Hull's pack next year?

That is nowhere near strong enough for SL.
You know Solomon, you post the same doom and gloom about every signing and every player who re-signs for the club.
I realise your concern, but bear in mind we are at the start, and it's not yet the end game.
As a club that has been through so much that is negative over the last year. Could you not see that what FC and the new board are doing is absolutely top notch given the circumstances we are faced with.

All they can do is the best at all times!

As supporters we should help them achieve what we want as entertainment for 2013!
As far as I can see the Bulls are once again doing the ground work for that to happen.

I was looking through some collected items the other day, and I came across a Bulls folder with the following legend>

"Quality is never an accident: it is always the result of high intention and sincere effort, intelligent direction and skilful execution: it represents the wise choice of many alternatives."

Good saying??
COYB
It is not doom and gloom, it is a fair and sensible estimate of where we could very easily be, since injuries come thick and fast in SL and to prop forwards most of all.

I am both worried and disappointed by Cummins bizarre refusal to replace THREE outgoing props, with a junior from warrington, a player of our own who has barely played in 2 years with injuries and might just be crocked and our best defensive back rower.

What did Potter seek to do straight away? Give us both numbers and size in the forwards. After a great season last year in spite of everything it would be awful to see us throw the momentum we have away - and as I said before, the squad is wafer thin and we need more than one to replace the players who have left.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Solomon Grundy[/bold] wrote: Then that squad is wafer thin. One more prop will mean we have Scruton, Nas, Ben Evans ( never played SL ) + the new guy and that's it.Against the wire front row or Leeds, or Hull's pack next year? That is nowhere near strong enough for SL.[/p][/quote]You know Solomon, you post the same doom and gloom about every signing and every player who re-signs for the club. I realise your concern, but bear in mind we are at the start, and it's not yet the end game. As a club that has been through so much that is negative over the last year. Could you not see that what FC and the new board are doing is absolutely top notch given the circumstances we are faced with. All they can do is the best at all times! As supporters we should help them achieve what we want as entertainment for 2013! As far as I can see the Bulls are once again doing the ground work for that to happen. I was looking through some collected items the other day, and I came across a Bulls folder with the following legend> "Quality is never an accident: it is always the result of high intention and sincere effort, intelligent direction and skilful execution: it represents the wise choice of many alternatives." Good saying?? COYB[/p][/quote]It is not doom and gloom, it is a fair and sensible estimate of where we could very easily be, since injuries come thick and fast in SL and to prop forwards most of all. I am both worried and disappointed by Cummins bizarre refusal to replace THREE outgoing props, with a junior from warrington, a player of our own who has barely played in 2 years with injuries and might just be crocked and our best defensive back rower. What did Potter seek to do straight away? Give us both numbers and size in the forwards. After a great season last year in spite of everything it would be awful to see us throw the momentum we have away - and as I said before, the squad is wafer thin and we need more than one to replace the players who have left. Solomon Grundy

6:50pm Tue 13 Nov 12

murphyslaw says...

There will always be those who just don't or won't get it! the rest of us can see we are so lucky to have a club at all, so lucky to have a coach who actually talks to the fans and so lucky to have a team who will compete if not dazzle next season after we had mostly given up hope. We are also lucky to have sponsors willing to invest and this is a great credit to our new board, who we are lucky to have. So!!!! its all about how LUCKY we are and with that thought who cares about the odd 'troll'?. Most of us had virtually given up on our beloved club and saw it being stolen away from us by some egotistical nobodys arguing amongst themselves and destroying everything before our eyes. But it's all change, just like a breath of fresh air, so good luck to our new board and coach and if you continue to involve the fans in all you do, keep us informed of developments where you can, everything will come up smelling of roses!!! That's my two penneth.
There will always be those who just don't or won't get it! the rest of us can see we are so lucky to have a club at all, so lucky to have a coach who actually talks to the fans and so lucky to have a team who will compete if not dazzle next season after we had mostly given up hope. We are also lucky to have sponsors willing to invest and this is a great credit to our new board, who we are lucky to have. So!!!! its all about how LUCKY we are and with that thought who cares about the odd 'troll'?. Most of us had virtually given up on our beloved club and saw it being stolen away from us by some egotistical nobodys arguing amongst themselves and destroying everything before our eyes. But it's all change, just like a breath of fresh air, so good luck to our new board and coach and if you continue to involve the fans in all you do, keep us informed of developments where you can, everything will come up smelling of roses!!! That's my two penneth. murphyslaw

7:09pm Tue 13 Nov 12

franklyn says...

raisemeup wrote:
franklyn wrote:
don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend.
money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount.
we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future.
they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.
Sorry but you are now talking rubbish.

I refuse to go into the in's and out's of it. You must stop trying to hoodwink people with your font of knowledge(or not as the case may be)
And what makes you mr know it all then.
its easy to tell people they are talking rubbish, then not have an explanation as to why.
When bulls were forwarded the money to tide them over and see out last season,they were told it was being forwarded from the bulls share of tv moneys for 2013. therefor it will count as part of 2013 spending.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franklyn[/bold] wrote: don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend. money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount. we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future. they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.[/p][/quote]Sorry but you are now talking rubbish. I refuse to go into the in's and out's of it. You must stop trying to hoodwink people with your font of knowledge(or not as the case may be)[/p][/quote]And what makes you mr know it all then. its easy to tell people they are talking rubbish, then not have an explanation as to why. When bulls were forwarded the money to tide them over and see out last season,they were told it was being forwarded from the bulls share of tv moneys for 2013. therefor it will count as part of 2013 spending. franklyn

7:13pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Mumby was the best says...

franklyn wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
franklyn wrote:
don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend.
money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount.
we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future.
they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.
Sorry but you are now talking rubbish.

I refuse to go into the in's and out's of it. You must stop trying to hoodwink people with your font of knowledge(or not as the case may be)
And what makes you mr know it all then.
its easy to tell people they are talking rubbish, then not have an explanation as to why.
When bulls were forwarded the money to tide them over and see out last season,they were told it was being forwarded from the bulls share of tv moneys for 2013. therefor it will count as part of 2013 spending.
Are you sure it was 2013`s money I thought it was what was due in 2012.
Surely they would not have advanced 2013 when it was not till Sept that it was confirmed we were still going to be in SL.
[quote][p][bold]franklyn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franklyn[/bold] wrote: don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend. money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount. we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future. they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.[/p][/quote]Sorry but you are now talking rubbish. I refuse to go into the in's and out's of it. You must stop trying to hoodwink people with your font of knowledge(or not as the case may be)[/p][/quote]And what makes you mr know it all then. its easy to tell people they are talking rubbish, then not have an explanation as to why. When bulls were forwarded the money to tide them over and see out last season,they were told it was being forwarded from the bulls share of tv moneys for 2013. therefor it will count as part of 2013 spending.[/p][/quote]Are you sure it was 2013`s money I thought it was what was due in 2012. Surely they would not have advanced 2013 when it was not till Sept that it was confirmed we were still going to be in SL. Mumby was the best

7:39pm Tue 13 Nov 12

mdn says...

franklyn wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
franklyn wrote:
don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend.
money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount.
we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future.
they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.
Sorry but you are now talking rubbish.

I refuse to go into the in's and out's of it. You must stop trying to hoodwink people with your font of knowledge(or not as the case may be)
And what makes you mr know it all then.
its easy to tell people they are talking rubbish, then not have an explanation as to why.
When bulls were forwarded the money to tide them over and see out last season,they were told it was being forwarded from the bulls share of tv moneys for 2013. therefor it will count as part of 2013 spending.
Your correct that it was (partially at least) an advance on 2013 sky funding. But it was our choice to spend it in 2012. It has no bearing on our 2013 cap spend, other than fact we have to find the money from somewhere else.
[quote][p][bold]franklyn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franklyn[/bold] wrote: don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend. money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount. we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future. they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.[/p][/quote]Sorry but you are now talking rubbish. I refuse to go into the in's and out's of it. You must stop trying to hoodwink people with your font of knowledge(or not as the case may be)[/p][/quote]And what makes you mr know it all then. its easy to tell people they are talking rubbish, then not have an explanation as to why. When bulls were forwarded the money to tide them over and see out last season,they were told it was being forwarded from the bulls share of tv moneys for 2013. therefor it will count as part of 2013 spending.[/p][/quote]Your correct that it was (partially at least) an advance on 2013 sky funding. But it was our choice to spend it in 2012. It has no bearing on our 2013 cap spend, other than fact we have to find the money from somewhere else. mdn

7:43pm Tue 13 Nov 12

ifallwerelikemumby says...

Maybe a Provident loan ?
Maybe a Provident loan ? ifallwerelikemumby

9:12pm Tue 13 Nov 12

raisemeup says...

franklyn wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
franklyn wrote:
don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend.
money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount.
we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future.
they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.
Sorry but you are now talking rubbish.

I refuse to go into the in's and out's of it. You must stop trying to hoodwink people with your font of knowledge(or not as the case may be)
And what makes you mr know it all then.
its easy to tell people they are talking rubbish, then not have an explanation as to why.
When bulls were forwarded the money to tide them over and see out last season,they were told it was being forwarded from the bulls share of tv moneys for 2013. therefor it will count as part of 2013 spending.
Sorry to sound off Franklyn. Not really a hanging matter is it.
But others have answered the post you first raised.
As far as I know the last 4 months of 2012 is without any of the agreed tv money, because the old regime was granted the advance to keep the season going.

However this money does not affect the salary cap for 2013 which is £1.6 million. I think? If indeed a proportion of the money was advanced as 2013 share of the £1.2 million that SL clubs get, then the RFL obviously had decided we would be a SL club in 2013, which according to them they wouldn't confirm until the fat lady sang. Which she has and we are...chin up my friend it can only go one way from where we were, can't it???
[quote][p][bold]franklyn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franklyn[/bold] wrote: don't know why you can't see it. we don't have the full cap to spend. money forwarded at end of last season comes off this years cap. thats why they can't spend full amount. we'll just have to make do with what we have for this season then start building again for the future. they are doing thier best under difficult circumstances.[/p][/quote]Sorry but you are now talking rubbish. I refuse to go into the in's and out's of it. You must stop trying to hoodwink people with your font of knowledge(or not as the case may be)[/p][/quote]And what makes you mr know it all then. its easy to tell people they are talking rubbish, then not have an explanation as to why. When bulls were forwarded the money to tide them over and see out last season,they were told it was being forwarded from the bulls share of tv moneys for 2013. therefor it will count as part of 2013 spending.[/p][/quote]Sorry to sound off Franklyn. Not really a hanging matter is it. But others have answered the post you first raised. As far as I know the last 4 months of 2012 is without any of the agreed tv money, because the old regime was granted the advance to keep the season going. However this money does not affect the salary cap for 2013 which is £1.6 million. I think? If indeed a proportion of the money was advanced as 2013 share of the £1.2 million that SL clubs get, then the RFL obviously had decided we would be a SL club in 2013, which according to them they wouldn't confirm until the fat lady sang. Which she has and we are...chin up my friend it can only go one way from where we were, can't it??? raisemeup

11:04pm Tue 13 Nov 12

bradfordbronco says...

Better a small squad who will fight for each other & the club, than a large squad of journeymen who don't really care.

What we need is for the supporters to get behind the boys and realise we are building for 3 years time. COYB
Better a small squad who will fight for each other & the club, than a large squad of journeymen who don't really care. What we need is for the supporters to get behind the boys and realise we are building for 3 years time. COYB bradfordbronco

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