UPDATE: Bradford City fans brave snow to queue for Cup Final tickets a day early (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Hmmm I wonder where they will be going to the toilet...Unless they have brought containers with them...?

Well that's pretty sad.

Good on them, and hope they fully enjoy it on the 24th.

It's a once in a lifetime event. Many people have waited years and years for this so whats a day?

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Good on them, and hope they fully enjoy it on the 24th.

It's a once in a lifetime event. Many people have waited years and years for this so whats a day?

Too true, come on City

Any sign of the landlady from the Second West?

BigFigure wrote:
Any sign of the landlady from the Second West?

she's going to phone up, and reserved 55 of the best tickets, she'll asked for them to be delivered direct to the Second West. Those regulars deserve the best seats, one of them went to Wigan away ya' know !

well done to the hardy ones at VP, it's going to be a bitterley cold night - I hope your stubs don't get frostbite........

I would agree with getting there early to get in the queue but now seems a little to early.
You could save half a day and turn up at midnight and I bet no more than 50 will be there, anyone in the queue after 6am tomorrow will really struggle though.

Hope there are tickets left for them to buy. Imagine 9am tomorrow morning "sorry boys, sold out"

Bless them; I’ll be thinking about them in my quilt tonight, soooo cold just thinking about it.

Any sign of the landlady from the Second West?

BigFigure wrote:
Any sign of the landlady from the Second West?

Blimey....where did that come from....posted it above nearly an hour ago..(bet she's not there yet, though)

Heading down at 5am myself.... Can't see 1000 people already being in the queue at that point but you never know.

Good luck to the guys down there already. From the looks of the weather your going to need it!!

Lifelong City fan, and season ticket holder here moved to make my comment. I have my ticket, and have the (un)fortunate pleasure of being able to supply two of my three sons who are all away at uni with tickets to join me. Each of whom accompanied me as season ticket holders for many years, one of whom looks sadly as if they are likely to miss out. I am utterly disgusted with the reaction of some 'fans' on here with their accusations that 'real' City fans would have a season ticket/flexi card to enable them to get a ticket, therefore anyone to the contrary is undeserving. I have seen people pleading for help in obtaining a ticket, me included, and in return they have been mocked for their genuine attempts to follow their club to Wembley, and questioned as to their 'faith' somehow. What an appalling shame that a family club where we all help each other against the odds (I was there 11/5/85) should have become so divisive in establishing a clear policy as to who 'deserves' a ticket and who does not. The club will point to Wembley and FA guidelines, to which I believe little and agree with less, but the attitude of those haves towards the have nots has created a horrible hostility and in-fighting which leaves a very sour taste in ones mouth. You could not argue against these poor souls left in the snow waiting for their opportunity to by a ticket are more deserving than than many of the plus 2s of all those self styles true City fans clutching their season tickets and casting ill judged comments at others. I truly hope, and time will tell, that the opportunity the season ticket holder +2 policy has given to flood the black market doesn't come to fruition, and that those people whose last hope of getting a ticket was dashed by the ludicrous policy of Bradford residents with tickets stubs only, fully enjoy the experience from afar. Whether on the terraces week in week out, or well wishing from afar we should all be fans of our club and each other.

Edinho wrote:
Lifelong City fan, and season ticket holder here moved to make my comment. I have my ticket, and have the (un)fortunate pleasure of being able to supply two of my three sons who are all away at uni with tickets to join me. Each of whom accompanied me as season ticket holders for many years, one of whom looks sadly as if they are likely to miss out. I am utterly disgusted with the reaction of some 'fans' on here with their accusations that 'real' City fans would have a season ticket/flexi card to enable them to get a ticket, therefore anyone to the contrary is undeserving. I have seen people pleading for help in obtaining a ticket, me included, and in return they have been mocked for their genuine attempts to follow their club to Wembley, and questioned as to their 'faith' somehow. What an appalling shame that a family club where we all help each other against the odds (I was there 11/5/85) should have become so divisive in establishing a clear policy as to who 'deserves' a ticket and who does not. The club will point to Wembley and FA guidelines, to which I believe little and agree with less, but the attitude of those haves towards the have nots has created a horrible hostility and in-fighting which leaves a very sour taste in ones mouth. You could not argue against these poor souls left in the snow waiting for their opportunity to by a ticket are more deserving than than many of the plus 2s of all those self styles true City fans clutching their season tickets and casting ill judged comments at others. I truly hope, and time will tell, that the opportunity the season ticket holder +2 policy has given to flood the black market doesn't come to fruition, and that those people whose last hope of getting a ticket was dashed by the ludicrous policy of Bradford residents with tickets stubs only, fully enjoy the experience from afar. Whether on the terraces week in week out, or well wishing from afar we should all be fans of our club and each other.

The Club can't do right / wrong in this situation - if they offered S/T holders one extra ticket, there would be 12,000 going on general sale, which would mean there would be much less control over who they went to. Season tickets plus 2, means the vast majority of tickets are released in a controlled manner, and are linked to a ticket holder.
I agree that the general sale of "spares", to those who have a stub, is a mistake. I don't know anyone who keeps stubs, so this should have been announced well in advance - but that in turn, would have led to more problems, potentially an extra 2000 gate sales against Gillingham, of which the vast majority would have ended up not being able to get tickets anyway.
Throughout the campaign, the club have shown faith in those who have bought season tickets, well done City.

office furniture shop on sunbridge road showing there support with flags and scarfes in window.Shame not many shops in city centre showing there support.

Edinho wrote:
Lifelong City fan, and season ticket holder here moved to make my comment. I have my ticket, and have the (un)fortunate pleasure of being able to supply two of my three sons who are all away at uni with tickets to join me. Each of whom accompanied me as season ticket holders for many years, one of whom looks sadly as if they are likely to miss out. I am utterly disgusted with the reaction of some 'fans' on here with their accusations that 'real' City fans would have a season ticket/flexi card to enable them to get a ticket, therefore anyone to the contrary is undeserving. I have seen people pleading for help in obtaining a ticket, me included, and in return they have been mocked for their genuine attempts to follow their club to Wembley, and questioned as to their 'faith' somehow. What an appalling shame that a family club where we all help each other against the odds (I was there 11/5/85) should have become so divisive in establishing a clear policy as to who 'deserves' a ticket and who does not. The club will point to Wembley and FA guidelines, to which I believe little and agree with less, but the attitude of those haves towards the have nots has created a horrible hostility and in-fighting which leaves a very sour taste in ones mouth. You could not argue against these poor souls left in the snow waiting for their opportunity to by a ticket are more deserving than than many of the plus 2s of all those self styles true City fans clutching their season tickets and casting ill judged comments at others. I truly hope, and time will tell, that the opportunity the season ticket holder +2 policy has given to flood the black market doesn't come to fruition, and that those people whose last hope of getting a ticket was dashed by the ludicrous policy of Bradford residents with tickets stubs only, fully enjoy the experience from afar. Whether on the terraces week in week out, or well wishing from afar we should all be fans of our club and each other.

Good post. Season Ticket holders with excess tickets HAVE sold them to ticketing websites/touts (google: capital cup final ticket, for those who seem to refuse to believe this fact) so it shows that theres no dead certain way of preventing a black market. I firmly believe at least giving people a chance to get tickets is the fairest option, i.e. queing up in the cold. This will sort the City fans from the plastics/Hudders fans/oportunists etc. A lot of those with spare ST holder tickets would not poke their toes out of bed on a cold night to get a ticket, let alone show the kind of dedication on display here. Its still not ideal as people have famalies/work etc so cant join the que's but at least the general public have a chance now.

Going down so early seem a bit excessive but fair play to them.

There are always going to be two sides to the argument.

I do not think it is possible to issue any sort of a policy decision as to who 'deserves' and who does not. There are two reasons for this:-
(1) it is highly subjective/emotive. This is proven by your desire to establish a clear policy. This is what the club has done but you have not agreed with it as it does not suit you.
(2) how would you have proposed to sift through 50,000 (guess) to select the 14,000 that would have gone on general sale (had it been a 2 for 1 deal)?

The one thing I think the club could have done is to ensure that the customer's name appearsed on their ticket and also to access details of sales through the online ticket purchasing system. The fairest basis would have been to apply a countback.

I hate to mention it again, but for the cost of £25/£50 all such problems would have been avoided. Knowing the way in which the club has recruited this season, there was more than a distinct possibility of a Wembley visit (not in the way we though). Unfortunately (and with respect) I do not see absentees as having the foresight to make a minimal investment. This is the unfortunate consequence.

I think a lot of the bad-feeling it is more to do with a reaction against the attitude of the more out-spoken 'have-nots'. No doubt, there is also an element of smugness on the part of people with tickets who are giving the fingers-up to people who they see as gate-crashing the biggest day in the history of the club.

Cityboy78 wrote:

Edinho wrote: Lifelong City fan, and season ticket holder here moved to make my comment. I have my ticket, and have the (un)fortunate pleasure of being able to supply two of my three sons who are all away at uni with tickets to join me. Each of whom accompanied me as season ticket holders for many years, one of whom looks sadly as if they are likely to miss out. I am utterly disgusted with the reaction of some 'fans' on here with their accusations that 'real' City fans would have a season ticket/flexi card to enable them to get a ticket, therefore anyone to the contrary is undeserving. I have seen people pleading for help in obtaining a ticket, me included, and in return they have been mocked for their genuine attempts to follow their club to Wembley, and questioned as to their 'faith' somehow. What an appalling shame that a family club where we all help each other against the odds (I was there 11/5/85) should have become so divisive in establishing a clear policy as to who 'deserves' a ticket and who does not. The club will point to Wembley and FA guidelines, to which I believe little and agree with less, but the attitude of those haves towards the have nots has created a horrible hostility and in-fighting which leaves a very sour taste in ones mouth. You could not argue against these poor souls left in the snow waiting for their opportunity to by a ticket are more deserving than than many of the plus 2s of all those self styles true City fans clutching their season tickets and casting ill judged comments at others. I truly hope, and time will tell, that the opportunity the season ticket holder +2 policy has given to flood the black market doesn't come to fruition, and that those people whose last hope of getting a ticket was dashed by the ludicrous policy of Bradford residents with tickets stubs only, fully enjoy the experience from afar. Whether on the terraces week in week out, or well wishing from afar we should all be fans of our club and each other.

Good post. Season Ticket holders with excess tickets HAVE sold them to ticketing websites/touts (google: capital cup final ticket, for those who seem to refuse to believe this fact) so it shows that theres no dead certain way of preventing a black market. I firmly believe at least giving people a chance to get tickets is the fairest option, i.e. queing up in the cold. This will sort the City fans from the plastics/Hudders fans/oportunists etc. A lot of those with spare ST holder tickets would not poke their toes out of bed on a cold night to get a ticket, let alone show the kind of dedication on display here. Its still not ideal as people have famalies/work etc so cant join the que's but at least the general public have a chance now. Going down so early seem a bit excessive but fair play to them.

You are always going to get people making profit in situations like this. I do not like it but that is the reality.

Out of interest, the punters in the photo', where are they stood?

Michael Clayton wrote:

Cityboy78 wrote:

Edinho wrote: Lifelong City fan, and season ticket holder here moved to make my comment. I have my ticket, and have the (un)fortunate pleasure of being able to supply two of my three sons who are all away at uni with tickets to join me. Each of whom accompanied me as season ticket holders for many years, one of whom looks sadly as if they are likely to miss out. I am utterly disgusted with the reaction of some 'fans' on here with their accusations that 'real' City fans would have a season ticket/flexi card to enable them to get a ticket, therefore anyone to the contrary is undeserving. I have seen people pleading for help in obtaining a ticket, me included, and in return they have been mocked for their genuine attempts to follow their club to Wembley, and questioned as to their 'faith' somehow. What an appalling shame that a family club where we all help each other against the odds (I was there 11/5/85) should have become so divisive in establishing a clear policy as to who 'deserves' a ticket and who does not. The club will point to Wembley and FA guidelines, to which I believe little and agree with less, but the attitude of those haves towards the have nots has created a horrible hostility and in-fighting which leaves a very sour taste in ones mouth. You could not argue against these poor souls left in the snow waiting for their opportunity to by a ticket are more deserving than than many of the plus 2s of all those self styles true City fans clutching their season tickets and casting ill judged comments at others. I truly hope, and time will tell, that the opportunity the season ticket holder +2 policy has given to flood the black market doesn't come to fruition, and that those people whose last hope of getting a ticket was dashed by the ludicrous policy of Bradford residents with tickets stubs only, fully enjoy the experience from afar. Whether on the terraces week in week out, or well wishing from afar we should all be fans of our club and each other.

Good post. Season Ticket holders with excess tickets HAVE sold them to ticketing websites/touts (google: capital cup final ticket, for those who seem to refuse to believe this fact) so it shows that theres no dead certain way of preventing a black market. I firmly believe at least giving people a chance to get tickets is the fairest option, i.e. queing up in the cold. This will sort the City fans from the plastics/Hudders fans/oportunists etc. A lot of those with spare ST holder tickets would not poke their toes out of bed on a cold night to get a ticket, let alone show the kind of dedication on display here. Its still not ideal as people have famalies/work etc so cant join the que's but at least the general public have a chance now. Going down so early seem a bit excessive but fair play to them.

You are always going to get people making profit in situations like this. I do not like it but that is the reality.

Definitely. In this day and age people would sell their grannies for a few nicker, hence people (with Wembley tickets) cashing in and selling stubs on ebay, to the detriment of those without tickets but planning on queing in the morning.

I just think somebody who has had to que up for one or two tickets at the ticket office is less likely to flog them on that somebody who has got several spares through having numerous season tickets.

Its a tough one for the club but i think if they went for a simple proven method of two per season ticket holder on sale for one week, then general sale for the remainder, it would have been a lot more acceptable for fans. To be putting so few on general sale so near to the event is not very good, but this is old ground, covered many times, never to be agreed upon.

Michael Clayton wrote:
Out of interest, the punters in the photo', where are they stood?

They are outside the ticket windows, north west corner. The cream building in the background is the start of the industrial estate, which is opposite the club shop.

Cityboy78 wrote:

Michael Clayton wrote:

Cityboy78 wrote:

Edinho wrote: Lifelong City fan, and season ticket holder here moved to make my comment. I have my ticket, and have the (un)fortunate pleasure of being able to supply two of my three sons who are all away at uni with tickets to join me. Each of whom accompanied me as season ticket holders for many years, one of whom looks sadly as if they are likely to miss out. I am utterly disgusted with the reaction of some 'fans' on here with their accusations that 'real' City fans would have a season ticket/flexi card to enable them to get a ticket, therefore anyone to the contrary is undeserving. I have seen people pleading for help in obtaining a ticket, me included, and in return they have been mocked for their genuine attempts to follow their club to Wembley, and questioned as to their 'faith' somehow. What an appalling shame that a family club where we all help each other against the odds (I was there 11/5/85) should have become so divisive in establishing a clear policy as to who 'deserves' a ticket and who does not. The club will point to Wembley and FA guidelines, to which I believe little and agree with less, but the attitude of those haves towards the have nots has created a horrible hostility and in-fighting which leaves a very sour taste in ones mouth. You could not argue against these poor souls left in the snow waiting for their opportunity to by a ticket are more deserving than than many of the plus 2s of all those self styles true City fans clutching their season tickets and casting ill judged comments at others. I truly hope, and time will tell, that the opportunity the season ticket holder +2 policy has given to flood the black market doesn't come to fruition, and that those people whose last hope of getting a ticket was dashed by the ludicrous policy of Bradford residents with tickets stubs only, fully enjoy the experience from afar. Whether on the terraces week in week out, or well wishing from afar we should all be fans of our club and each other.

Good post. Season Ticket holders with excess tickets HAVE sold them to ticketing websites/touts (google: capital cup final ticket, for those who seem to refuse to believe this fact) so it shows that theres no dead certain way of preventing a black market. I firmly believe at least giving people a chance to get tickets is the fairest option, i.e. queing up in the cold. This will sort the City fans from the plastics/Hudders fans/oportunists etc. A lot of those with spare ST holder tickets would not poke their toes out of bed on a cold night to get a ticket, let alone show the kind of dedication on display here. Its still not ideal as people have famalies/work etc so cant join the que's but at least the general public have a chance now. Going down so early seem a bit excessive but fair play to them.

You are always going to get people making profit in situations like this. I do not like it but that is the reality.

Definitely. In this day and age people would sell their grannies for a few nicker, hence people (with Wembley tickets) cashing in and selling stubs on ebay, to the detriment of those without tickets but planning on queing in the morning. I just think somebody who has had to que up for one or two tickets at the ticket office is less likely to flog them on that somebody who has got several spares through having numerous season tickets. Its a tough one for the club but i think if they went for a simple proven method of two per season ticket holder on sale for one week, then general sale for the remainder, it would have been a lot more acceptable for fans. To be putting so few on general sale so near to the event is not very good, but this is old ground, covered many times, never to be agreed upon.

Yes. It is going round in circles.

It would be awful to see anyone from the Second West ending up in the ICU with hypothermia; although I suppose it woud make a change from their usual reason for admission.

The star-bellied Sneeches now had none upon thars

If you have a season ticket, and you got your tickets for Wembley, then who cares who is sat 2 blocks over, 6 rows back. I know I don't. I'll be there, and that's what matters to me. The more the merrier I say!

Old Peculiar wrote:

Michael Clayton wrote: Out of interest, the punters in the photo', where are they stood?

They are outside the ticket windows, north west corner. The cream building in the background is the start of the industrial estate, which is opposite the club shop.

Oh yes. I did not recognise that prime patch of real estate with the snow on it.

In all seriousness, anyone running a curry outlet should get down there and take some orders.

At lease they won't be clogging up the Post Office at 9 a.m.

Michael Clayton wrote:
At lease they won't be clogging up the Post Office at 9 a.m.

"At least............"

OK !! will someone please tell me the average attendance this season,then last and the year before that etc.etc.etc. then explain why we have 40,000 plus asking,nay, demanding cup final tickets ?

I think Bradford city have done a fantastic job not only from the selling of the tickets but to the management, how many second div clubs can say they could have sold 100,000 tickets, the other point which needs to be made is the the home aston villa game was not a sell out so allowing season ticket holders to have 3 wembley tickets has worked City will sell there allocation of 32,000 plus, good luck City see you in europe first leg at Home all fans need to keep your
wembley stubs

Firstly very good luck to those out in this weather for the night, what stern stuff we see in Bradford and I'm sure everyone successful will remember this for the rest of their lives.
Secondly I hope its not a case of those queueing will reserve places for others - it could get ugly
Thirdly Its been a steep learning curve for both club and supporters so I hope there is some consistency if we have a second appearance at Wembley this season - then those that need them will know that stubbs will be required.

Edinho wrote:
Lifelong City fan, and season ticket holder here moved to make my comment. I have my ticket, and have the (un)fortunate pleasure of being able to supply two of my three sons who are all away at uni with tickets to join me. Each of whom accompanied me as season ticket holders for many years, one of whom looks sadly as if they are likely to miss out. I am utterly disgusted with the reaction of some 'fans' on here with their accusations that 'real' City fans would have a season ticket/flexi card to enable them to get a ticket, therefore anyone to the contrary is undeserving. I have seen people pleading for help in obtaining a ticket, me included, and in return they have been mocked for their genuine attempts to follow their club to Wembley, and questioned as to their 'faith' somehow. What an appalling shame that a family club where we all help each other against the odds (I was there 11/5/85) should have become so divisive in establishing a clear policy as to who 'deserves' a ticket and who does not. The club will point to Wembley and FA guidelines, to which I believe little and agree with less, but the attitude of those haves towards the have nots has created a horrible hostility and in-fighting which leaves a very sour taste in ones mouth. You could not argue against these poor souls left in the snow waiting for their opportunity to by a ticket are more deserving than than many of the plus 2s of all those self styles true City fans clutching their season tickets and casting ill judged comments at others. I truly hope, and time will tell, that the opportunity the season ticket holder +2 policy has given to flood the black market doesn't come to fruition, and that those people whose last hope of getting a ticket was dashed by the ludicrous policy of Bradford residents with tickets stubs only, fully enjoy the experience from afar. Whether on the terraces week in week out, or well wishing from afar we should all be fans of our club and each other.

I truly believe that putting less tickets out to season ticket holders would have allowed the unscrupulous to get their hands on tickets to flood the black market . At least the tickets sold so far are traceable and whoever sells them at inflated prices can be found out.

Edinho wrote:
Lifelong City fan, and season ticket holder here moved to make my comment. I have my ticket, and have the (un)fortunate pleasure of being able to supply two of my three sons who are all away at uni with tickets to join me. Each of whom accompanied me as season ticket holders for many years, one of whom looks sadly as if they are likely to miss out. I am utterly disgusted with the reaction of some 'fans' on here with their accusations that 'real' City fans would have a season ticket/flexi card to enable them to get a ticket, therefore anyone to the contrary is undeserving. I have seen people pleading for help in obtaining a ticket, me included, and in return they have been mocked for their genuine attempts to follow their club to Wembley, and questioned as to their 'faith' somehow. What an appalling shame that a family club where we all help each other against the odds (I was there 11/5/85) should have become so divisive in establishing a clear policy as to who 'deserves' a ticket and who does not. The club will point to Wembley and FA guidelines, to which I believe little and agree with less, but the attitude of those haves towards the have nots has created a horrible hostility and in-fighting which leaves a very sour taste in ones mouth. You could not argue against these poor souls left in the snow waiting for their opportunity to by a ticket are more deserving than than many of the plus 2s of all those self styles true City fans clutching their season tickets and casting ill judged comments at others. I truly hope, and time will tell, that the opportunity the season ticket holder +2 policy has given to flood the black market doesn't come to fruition, and that those people whose last hope of getting a ticket was dashed by the ludicrous policy of Bradford residents with tickets stubs only, fully enjoy the experience from afar. Whether on the terraces week in week out, or well wishing from afar we should all be fans of our club and each other.

I was sick for practically a whole season, still bought a season ticket but only managed to get to two home games all season a few years ago. Just goes to show those who are committed.....

Ticket policies have been controlled by Wembley and the Football League. If it was 2 per ST they would not allow 12,000 going on general sale so the decision was taken to have 3 per ST.

Many clubs operate membership schemes to allow priority after ST holders have got tickets for important games. Maybe City will have to implement this (certainly if they get rid of the flexicard) so people who say they've been supporting X years but don't go now will have no excuse if they only want to come back for big games

Edinho wrote:
Lifelong City fan, and season ticket holder here moved to make my comment. I have my ticket, and have the (un)fortunate pleasure of being able to supply two of my three sons who are all away at uni with tickets to join me. Each of whom accompanied me as season ticket holders for many years, one of whom looks sadly as if they are likely to miss out. I am utterly disgusted with the reaction of some 'fans' on here with their accusations that 'real' City fans would have a season ticket/flexi card to enable them to get a ticket, therefore anyone to the contrary is undeserving. I have seen people pleading for help in obtaining a ticket, me included, and in return they have been mocked for their genuine attempts to follow their club to Wembley, and questioned as to their 'faith' somehow. What an appalling shame that a family club where we all help each other against the odds (I was there 11/5/85) should have become so divisive in establishing a clear policy as to who 'deserves' a ticket and who does not. The club will point to Wembley and FA guidelines, to which I believe little and agree with less, but the attitude of those haves towards the have nots has created a horrible hostility and in-fighting which leaves a very sour taste in ones mouth. You could not argue against these poor souls left in the snow waiting for their opportunity to by a ticket are more deserving than than many of the plus 2s of all those self styles true City fans clutching their season tickets and casting ill judged comments at others. I truly hope, and time will tell, that the opportunity the season ticket holder +2 policy has given to flood the black market doesn't come to fruition, and that those people whose last hope of getting a ticket was dashed by the ludicrous policy of Bradford residents with tickets stubs only, fully enjoy the experience from afar. Whether on the terraces week in week out, or well wishing from afar we should all be fans of our club and each other.

Both my kids came whilst at Uni with season tickets. One an hour and a half on the train, missed about 3 homes games over three years, the other only gets to matches out of term time and reading week.
Other friends kids have 50-50 tickets so when they are not at Uni they have their seat for them.
Foresight!

Theres a sign up amongst the tents.

`Camp Second West`.

Edinho wrote:
Lifelong City fan, and season ticket holder here moved to make my comment. I have my ticket, and have the (un)fortunate pleasure of being able to supply two of my three sons who are all away at uni with tickets to join me. Each of whom accompanied me as season ticket holders for many years, one of whom looks sadly as if they are likely to miss out. I am utterly disgusted with the reaction of some 'fans' on here with their accusations that 'real' City fans would have a season ticket/flexi card to enable them to get a ticket, therefore anyone to the contrary is undeserving. I have seen people pleading for help in obtaining a ticket, me included, and in return they have been mocked for their genuine attempts to follow their club to Wembley, and questioned as to their 'faith' somehow. What an appalling shame that a family club where we all help each other against the odds (I was there 11/5/85) should have become so divisive in establishing a clear policy as to who 'deserves' a ticket and who does not. The club will point to Wembley and FA guidelines, to which I believe little and agree with less, but the attitude of those haves towards the have nots has created a horrible hostility and in-fighting which leaves a very sour taste in ones mouth. You could not argue against these poor souls left in the snow waiting for their opportunity to by a ticket are more deserving than than many of the plus 2s of all those self styles true City fans clutching their season tickets and casting ill judged comments at others. I truly hope, and time will tell, that the opportunity the season ticket holder +2 policy has given to flood the black market doesn't come to fruition, and that those people whose last hope of getting a ticket was dashed by the ludicrous policy of Bradford residents with tickets stubs only, fully enjoy the experience from afar. Whether on the terraces week in week out, or well wishing from afar we should all be fans of our club and each other.

I wouldn't go as far as saying those supporters without S/T's, 50-50's or Flexicards are "UNdeserving" of Wembley tickets. However, I would say that those who have committed financially to the club this season, are MORE deserving. This season is over 30 matches in, why should someone who has possibly not been to a single match, have preference over someone who's followed the lows aswell as the highs.

A Bantam is for life, not just a one night stand in London.

Buy a season ticket and they won't have this problem.

audal wrote:
OK !! will someone please tell me the average attendance this season,then last and the year before that etc.etc.etc. then explain why we have 40,000 plus asking,nay, demanding cup final tickets ?

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Edinho wrote:
Lifelong City fan, and season ticket holder here moved to make my comment. I have my ticket, and have the (un)fortunate pleasure of being able to supply two of my three sons who are all away at uni with tickets to join me. Each of whom accompanied me as season ticket holders for many years, one of whom looks sadly as if they are likely to miss out. I am utterly disgusted with the reaction of some 'fans' on here with their accusations that 'real' City fans would have a season ticket/flexi card to enable them to get a ticket, therefore anyone to the contrary is undeserving. I have seen people pleading for help in obtaining a ticket, me included, and in return they have been mocked for their genuine attempts to follow their club to Wembley, and questioned as to their 'faith' somehow. What an appalling shame that a family club where we all help each other against the odds (I was there 11/5/85) should have become so divisive in establishing a clear policy as to who 'deserves' a ticket and who does not. The club will point to Wembley and FA guidelines, to which I believe little and agree with less, but the attitude of those haves towards the have nots has created a horrible hostility and in-fighting which leaves a very sour taste in ones mouth. You could not argue against these poor souls left in the snow waiting for their opportunity to by a ticket are more deserving than than many of the plus 2s of all those self styles true City fans clutching their season tickets and casting ill judged comments at others. I truly hope, and time will tell, that the opportunity the season ticket holder +2 policy has given to flood the black market doesn't come to fruition, and that those people whose last hope of getting a ticket was dashed by the ludicrous policy of Bradford residents with tickets stubs only, fully enjoy the experience from afar. Whether on the terraces week in week out, or well wishing from afar we should all be fans of our club and each other.

It's unfortunate that you can only take 2 of your sons but to take them all the club would have had to make it 4 per season ticket!!! Then somebody else would say they could only take three of their kids,where would you draw the line?

Anyone attending Wembley deserves to be there. They are by definition supporters of the club and have the club's best interests at heart. That includes anyone watching on SKY as well. This is a one off event and no-one should begrudge anyone from being part of it. The vast majority of those there out of the 33,000 have a strong history with the club of whatever length. Bradford City is representation of all that is good about sport, competition, pride, family and identity. We should all be proud of what the club have achieved and unite behind them and with each other to lift the club and the City itself onto better times ahead. Please let's celebrate and not become embittered, cynical and angry. Market economics will never completely exclude events like this and reflects general life and society at large. I think the club and the people of the Bradford Metropolitan Disrict have largely conducted themselves in a very honourable and commendable way.Let's now support the team, each other and make our dignified togetherness from now on a genuine tribute to the 56 who cannot be there.

hardy43 wrote:

Edinho wrote:
Lifelong City fan, and season ticket holder here moved to make my comment. I have my ticket, and have the (un)fortunate pleasure of being able to supply two of my three sons who are all away at uni with tickets to join me. Each of whom accompanied me as season ticket holders for many years, one of whom looks sadly as if they are likely to miss out. I am utterly disgusted with the reaction of some 'fans' on here with their accusations that 'real' City fans would have a season ticket/flexi card to enable them to get a ticket, therefore anyone to the contrary is undeserving. I have seen people pleading for help in obtaining a ticket, me included, and in return they have been mocked for their genuine attempts to follow their club to Wembley, and questioned as to their 'faith' somehow. What an appalling shame that a family club where we all help each other against the odds (I was there 11/5/85) should have become so divisive in establishing a clear policy as to who 'deserves' a ticket and who does not. The club will point to Wembley and FA guidelines, to which I believe little and agree with less, but the attitude of those haves towards the have nots has created a horrible hostility and in-fighting which leaves a very sour taste in ones mouth. You could not argue against these poor souls left in the snow waiting for their opportunity to by a ticket are more deserving than than many of the plus 2s of all those self styles true City fans clutching their season tickets and casting ill judged comments at others. I truly hope, and time will tell, that the opportunity the season ticket holder +2 policy has given to flood the black market doesn't come to fruition, and that those people whose last hope of getting a ticket was dashed by the ludicrous policy of Bradford residents with tickets stubs only, fully enjoy the experience from afar. Whether on the terraces week in week out, or well wishing from afar we should all be fans of our club and each other.

It's unfortunate that you can only take 2 of your sons but to take them all the club would have had to make it 4 per season ticket!!! Then somebody else would say they could only take three of their kids,where would you draw the line?

And with ST +1 ticket, only 1 son would have been able to attend....

Edinho wrote:
Lifelong City fan, and season ticket holder here moved to make my comment. I have my ticket, and have the (un)fortunate pleasure of being able to supply two of my three sons who are all away at uni with tickets to join me. Each of whom accompanied me as season ticket holders for many years, one of whom looks sadly as if they are likely to miss out. I am utterly disgusted with the reaction of some 'fans' on here with their accusations that 'real' City fans would have a season ticket/flexi card to enable them to get a ticket, therefore anyone to the contrary is undeserving. I have seen people pleading for help in obtaining a ticket, me included, and in return they have been mocked for their genuine attempts to follow their club to Wembley, and questioned as to their 'faith' somehow. What an appalling shame that a family club where we all help each other against the odds (I was there 11/5/85) should have become so divisive in establishing a clear policy as to who 'deserves' a ticket and who does not. The club will point to Wembley and FA guidelines, to which I believe little and agree with less, but the attitude of those haves towards the have nots has created a horrible hostility and in-fighting which leaves a very sour taste in ones mouth. You could not argue against these poor souls left in the snow waiting for their opportunity to by a ticket are more deserving than than many of the plus 2s of all those self styles true City fans clutching their season tickets and casting ill judged comments at others. I truly hope, and time will tell, that the opportunity the season ticket holder +2 policy has given to flood the black market doesn't come to fruition, and that those people whose last hope of getting a ticket was dashed by the ludicrous policy of Bradford residents with tickets stubs only, fully enjoy the experience from afar. Whether on the terraces week in week out, or well wishing from afar we should all be fans of our club and each other.

I can fully understand your frustration, it should have been allocated to history of last five years as a season ticket holder, who for some reason could not buy a season ticket. The club has the record, just confrom your ID. This would have prevented stub sale on ebay.and more genuine fans would have been able to have the tickets.

Second West have erected a marquee in the queue for the famous " SW 55" and the landlady is serving beer in there!

ISTIIM wrote:

audal wrote: OK !! will someone please tell me the average attendance this season,then last and the year before that etc.etc.etc. then explain why we have 40,000 plus asking,nay, demanding cup final tickets ?

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Because, for some reason, people's wife's, girlfriends and kids are more inclined to want to go to a Cup Final at Wembley than an average league two fixture against Barnet or Accrington?

"Steven Price, 31, of Shipley, was first to arrive outside the Valley Parade ticket office at 5.45am today to secure four tickets for Bradford City’s Wembley final against Swansea – wrapped up from the cold and armed with a tent. "

Either the reporter does not know the facts or she does not have the heart to tell him the truth, unless he has another person joining him .............. he can only get 2 tickets .... DOH

I wish some of you will stop it with the childish "you're not a real fan unless you have a season ticket" nonsense...

I've supported them through thick and thin over the past 20 years, but I've been unable to go to many matches over the past few years because I now work Saturdays and have a young family to look after during the week.

I'm just over the moon we've made it to the League Cup final! Sure it would be great to actually be at Wembley, but watching them lift the cup on Sky Sports with all the family over will be just as special :D

I've posted this a few times and I'm going to post it again.

EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES!

You couldn't afford a Flexicard or Season Ticket because of the price. Well then how can you afford to go to Wembley? Flexicards were only £25.

You work on Saturdays. So did I until 2 years ago, but still got to the TUESDAY LEAGUE GAMES.

You can't get to a single match because of distance. What about booking a few days of your 5.6 WEEKS ANNUAL HOLIDAYS off work to get to a game.

The club are doing what WEMBLEY have said.
Swansea have MORE FANS than US and sold ALL their tickets to Season Ticket holders and Jack Army Supporters Club members, so DID NOT GO ON GENERAL SALE.

We have less Season Ticket holders, so to stop as little as possible going to TICKET TOUTS they TOLD US to sell as many as possible to Season Ticket holders hence the 3 EACH.

We DO NOT have 8417 Season Ticket holders, we have over 9500. They sold over 1000 Season Tickets/Flexicards in the 1st month of the season. Yes there are a couple of hundred Wembley Tickets missing but they have gone to BCAFC STAFF & PLAYERS FAMILIES.

If the club had announced this BEFORE our last HOME game before Wembley, don't you think there would be even more PLASTIC NON-CITY FANS turning up?

If you were real city fans you would realise that season ticket holders DO NOT get stubs, so it is not season ticket holders selling them. Stubs are being given away in the majority, the minority been sold are by plastics who went to 1 game. I even saw the FREE Wycombe tickets been sold the other day by a plastic.

Most Wembley tickets sold online are Wembley season ticket holders or Wembley box holders tickets and are being sold on legitimate sites.
It is a minority that are being sold on sites like Ebay.

The club and Wembley have made the CORRECT DECISION imo. If any of you MASSIVE CITY FANS lose out then TOUGH!

notpoliticallycorrec
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"Steven Price, 31, of Shipley, was first to arrive outside the Valley Parade ticket office at 5.45am today to secure four tickets for Bradford City’s Wembley final against Swansea – wrapped up from the cold and armed with a tent. " Either the reporter does not know the facts or she does not have the heart to tell him the truth, unless he has another person joining him .............. he can only get 2 tickets .... DOH

That's what I thought when I first read this. I would love to see his face if he is on his own, and can only get 2.

Edinho wrote:
Lifelong City fan, and season ticket holder here moved to make my comment. I have my ticket, and have the (un)fortunate pleasure of being able to supply two of my three sons who are all away at uni with tickets to join me. Each of whom accompanied me as season ticket holders for many years, one of whom looks sadly as if they are likely to miss out. I am utterly disgusted with the reaction of some 'fans' on here with their accusations that 'real' City fans would have a season ticket/flexi card to enable them to get a ticket, therefore anyone to the contrary is undeserving. I have seen people pleading for help in obtaining a ticket, me included, and in return they have been mocked for their genuine attempts to follow their club to Wembley, and questioned as to their 'faith' somehow. What an appalling shame that a family club where we all help each other against the odds (I was there 11/5/85) should have become so divisive in establishing a clear policy as to who 'deserves' a ticket and who does not. The club will point to Wembley and FA guidelines, to which I believe little and agree with less, but the attitude of those haves towards the have nots has created a horrible hostility and in-fighting which leaves a very sour taste in ones mouth. You could not argue against these poor souls left in the snow waiting for their opportunity to by a ticket are more deserving than than many of the plus 2s of all those self styles true City fans clutching their season tickets and casting ill judged comments at others. I truly hope, and time will tell, that the opportunity the season ticket holder +2 policy has given to flood the black market doesn't come to fruition, and that those people whose last hope of getting a ticket was dashed by the ludicrous policy of Bradford residents with tickets stubs only, fully enjoy the experience from afar. Whether on the terraces week in week out, or well wishing from afar we should all be fans of our club and each other.

Excellent post which those thinking of 'screwing' their fellow fans-by selling a ticket on at extortionate profit- would do well to read.

If being a fan and feeling part of the 'communal group' means anything beyond the 'perfunctory' ie saying 'CTID' or 'We shout with pride, we never hide', or badge kissing etc (which anyone can do and not necessarily mean) surely the sentiments here might make a 'difference.'

A 'better' City motto would bet the old 'One for all-all for one.' When we shout at 'VP 'individually we're NOT heard, when we shout/sing TOGETHER we are!!

And to those who shrug their shoulders (metaphorically) and describe selling on tickets to other City fans for large profit as simply 'the realty', I would say, it desn't have to be...unless you choose to make it so!

Danstarr69 wrote:
I've posted this a few times and I'm going to post it again. EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES! You couldn't afford a Flexicard or Season Ticket because of the price. Well then how can you afford to go to Wembley? Flexicards were only £25. You work on Saturdays. So did I until 2 years ago, but still got to the TUESDAY LEAGUE GAMES. You can't get to a single match because of distance. What about booking a few days of your 5.6 WEEKS ANNUAL HOLIDAYS off work to get to a game. The club are doing what WEMBLEY have said. Swansea have MORE FANS than US and sold ALL their tickets to Season Ticket holders and Jack Army Supporters Club members, so DID NOT GO ON GENERAL SALE. We have less Season Ticket holders, so to stop as little as possible going to TICKET TOUTS they TOLD US to sell as many as possible to Season Ticket holders hence the 3 EACH. We DO NOT have 8417 Season Ticket holders, we have over 9500. They sold over 1000 Season Tickets/Flexicards in the 1st month of the season. Yes there are a couple of hundred Wembley Tickets missing but they have gone to BCAFC STAFF & PLAYERS FAMILIES. If the club had announced this BEFORE our last HOME game before Wembley, don't you think there would be even more PLASTIC NON-CITY FANS turning up? If you were real city fans you would realise that season ticket holders DO NOT get stubs, so it is not season ticket holders selling them. Stubs are being given away in the majority, the minority been sold are by plastics who went to 1 game. I even saw the FREE Wycombe tickets been sold the other day by a plastic. Most Wembley tickets sold online are Wembley season ticket holders or Wembley box holders tickets and are being sold on legitimate sites. It is a minority that are being sold on sites like Ebay. The club and Wembley have made the CORRECT DECISION imo. If any of you MASSIVE CITY FANS lose out then TOUGH!

Dan the man, you have certainly got issues!! Have you ever thought about seeing someone to get rid of all your depression and anger?

czechbantam wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote: I've posted this a few times and I'm going to post it again. EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES! You couldn't afford a Flexicard or Season Ticket because of the price. Well then how can you afford to go to Wembley? Flexicards were only £25. You work on Saturdays. So did I until 2 years ago, but still got to the TUESDAY LEAGUE GAMES. You can't get to a single match because of distance. What about booking a few days of your 5.6 WEEKS ANNUAL HOLIDAYS off work to get to a game. The club are doing what WEMBLEY have said. Swansea have MORE FANS than US and sold ALL their tickets to Season Ticket holders and Jack Army Supporters Club members, so DID NOT GO ON GENERAL SALE. We have less Season Ticket holders, so to stop as little as possible going to TICKET TOUTS they TOLD US to sell as many as possible to Season Ticket holders hence the 3 EACH. We DO NOT have 8417 Season Ticket holders, we have over 9500. They sold over 1000 Season Tickets/Flexicards in the 1st month of the season. Yes there are a couple of hundred Wembley Tickets missing but they have gone to BCAFC STAFF & PLAYERS FAMILIES. If the club had announced this BEFORE our last HOME game before Wembley, don't you think there would be even more PLASTIC NON-CITY FANS turning up? If you were real city fans you would realise that season ticket holders DO NOT get stubs, so it is not season ticket holders selling them. Stubs are being given away in the majority, the minority been sold are by plastics who went to 1 game. I even saw the FREE Wycombe tickets been sold the other day by a plastic. Most Wembley tickets sold online are Wembley season ticket holders or Wembley box holders tickets and are being sold on legitimate sites. It is a minority that are being sold on sites like Ebay. The club and Wembley have made the CORRECT DECISION imo. If any of you MASSIVE CITY FANS lose out then TOUGH!

Dan the man, you have certainly got issues!! Have you ever thought about seeing someone to get rid of all your depression and anger?

Cheap shot.

Dan makes his case and all you can do is show contempt. Why not try to string an argument together?

Edinho also made a case; the majority disagreed, but provided appropriate responses without trying to be clever.

Michael Clayton wrote:

czechbantam wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote: I've posted this a few times and I'm going to post it again. EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES! You couldn't afford a Flexicard or Season Ticket because of the price. Well then how can you afford to go to Wembley? Flexicards were only £25. You work on Saturdays. So did I until 2 years ago, but still got to the TUESDAY LEAGUE GAMES. You can't get to a single match because of distance. What about booking a few days of your 5.6 WEEKS ANNUAL HOLIDAYS off work to get to a game. The club are doing what WEMBLEY have said. Swansea have MORE FANS than US and sold ALL their tickets to Season Ticket holders and Jack Army Supporters Club members, so DID NOT GO ON GENERAL SALE. We have less Season Ticket holders, so to stop as little as possible going to TICKET TOUTS they TOLD US to sell as many as possible to Season Ticket holders hence the 3 EACH. We DO NOT have 8417 Season Ticket holders, we have over 9500. They sold over 1000 Season Tickets/Flexicards in the 1st month of the season. Yes there are a couple of hundred Wembley Tickets missing but they have gone to BCAFC STAFF & PLAYERS FAMILIES. If the club had announced this BEFORE our last HOME game before Wembley, don't you think there would be even more PLASTIC NON-CITY FANS turning up? If you were real city fans you would realise that season ticket holders DO NOT get stubs, so it is not season ticket holders selling them. Stubs are being given away in the majority, the minority been sold are by plastics who went to 1 game. I even saw the FREE Wycombe tickets been sold the other day by a plastic. Most Wembley tickets sold online are Wembley season ticket holders or Wembley box holders tickets and are being sold on legitimate sites. It is a minority that are being sold on sites like Ebay. The club and Wembley have made the CORRECT DECISION imo. If any of you MASSIVE CITY FANS lose out then TOUGH!

Dan the man, you have certainly got issues!! Have you ever thought about seeing someone to get rid of all your depression and anger?

Cheap shot. Dan makes his case and all you can do is show contempt. Why not try to string an argument together? Edinho also made a case; the majority disagreed, but provided appropriate responses without trying to be clever.

Ok then Michael, I have been a City supporter/fan all my life to the point of remembering running round the ground from the Kop to get away from the away fans who decided they wanted to be in the Kop for the second half! I now live in Czech which is too far to be a ST holder, I never thought of buying a flexicard (will do next year) for the times I am back in Bradford. My question: does this make me a 'plastic'
I believe that ST holders should get first pick, I am just getting sick and tired of all the bickering and bad feelings when we should be celebrating one and all.

For a number of people (e.g. for working abroad, military personnel, the infirm, those with financial issues etc) it will not possible to access the final; by virtue of not securing (as a minimum) a £25/£50 flexi-card.

Anyone with a passing interest this season would, having foresight, predicted the possibility of a Wembley appearance (albeit through the play-offs).

So, it boils down to affordability. If you have not insured yourself then there is a problem. Why did you not invest £25/£50?

Mark Lawn and Julian Rhodes have given it 'on a plate'. Supporters at Leeds United would envy the attitude of these two men when compared to their own set-up.


In answer to your question, no, I don't think it makes you 'plastic'. In your case it is an unfortunate co-incidence. However, life has got to move on. Your life has moved on.

The one thing that strikes me is why people have 'got' to get to Wembley. There were plenty of empty seats (13,500+ at the last home game) so if anyone was a true fan would a home game against Gillingham be any more important than a cup-final against Swansea? Aside from the obvious response "Because it is a cup final you idiot!"

I think that anyone outside the exclusive 9,500 have not demonstrated a commitment and, in most cases, are facing the consequences.

Just heard from a mate down there, if you have not already got in the queue then dont bother going as you will not get a ticket.

Looks like we will sell the lot by mid afternoon. Queue is massive.

An internet search demonstrates that there are tickets to be purchased from 'agencies' at premium prices. Those premiums exceed the cost of adult season tickets. The club has done all that it can to make tickets accessible to supporters and the lesson learned is for people to buy season tickets. For those unable to attend games due to location the obvious solution is to make available a membership, say for an annual cost of £50 that would give discount on match tickets - not unlike the flexi card system. That way surely all the deserving can be legible to get their hands on tickets for future big games. My disappointment is that we didn't see more than 11,000 at the Gillingham game. I don't see that the club can be blamed for the situation but given the possibility of a future Wembley visit (play-offs this year or next) the rules need to be publicised asap so that everyone knows the routine. Therefore I would encourage the club to publish its official policy for future events on the website so no-one can claim not to know the system.

glorious1911 wrote:
An internet search demonstrates that there are tickets to be purchased from 'agencies' at premium prices. Those premiums exceed the cost of adult season tickets. The club has done all that it can to make tickets accessible to supporters and the lesson learned is for people to buy season tickets. For those unable to attend games due to location the obvious solution is to make available a membership, say for an annual cost of £50 that would give discount on match tickets - not unlike the flexi card system. That way surely all the deserving can be legible to get their hands on tickets for future big games. My disappointment is that we didn't see more than 11,000 at the Gillingham game. I don't see that the club can be blamed for the situation but given the possibility of a future Wembley visit (play-offs this year or next) the rules need to be publicised asap so that everyone knows the routine. Therefore I would encourage the club to publish its official policy for future events on the website so no-one can claim not to know the system.

The thing people don't seem to get is that most of the tickets on the internet have been for sale before us an Swansea got our allocation.

How is that possible?

Because 99% of the tickets been sold are from the 30,000 that weren't allocated, because they bollong to WEMBLEY SEASON TICKET HOLDERS & SPONSORS ETC.

I live abroad blah blah..... I saw a guy post the other day who lives in Dubai, and has already been to 2 league games this year.

Not making just the 1 game makes you a plastic.

But the people who live in Bradford, who were begging for stubs because they now have 'other commitments' that they couldn't make even the 1 league game are the biggest plastics of all!

So what if you've had a season ticket in the past, or went to the 'big' cup games.....you couldn't be bothered to go to a league game, so have no reason to complain. Dave Baldwin is a legend!

Danstarr69 wrote:
I live abroad blah blah..... I saw a guy post the other day who lives in Dubai, and has already been to 2 league games this year. Not making just the 1 game makes you a plastic. But the people who live in Bradford, who were begging for stubs because they now have 'other commitments' that they couldn't make even the 1 league game are the biggest plastics of all! So what if you've had a season ticket in the past, or went to the 'big' cup games.....you couldn't be bothered to go to a league game, so have no reason to complain. Dave Baldwin is a legend!

The analogy is a Sunday footballer who has been absent for X number of weeks and then expects a place back in the team. Simply not on.

You have got to stick with those who have turned up otherwise you will rot the core.

All this bickering and definitions of fans is absolutely laughable

All i'll say is when Wembley is over and the team is back to the reality of the bottom tier of English football with a dwindling fan base remember your comments and that a certain element drove away "plastics / glory hunters" from becoming future ST holders.

Can I ask Dan if you secured 3 tickets? Where did the other two go? To plastics surely? Must be or else they could have bought their own. So your just as bad

I hope these images finally put paid to all the absolute garbage that was spouted by some of the "True Supporters of the club" ie ST & FlexiCard holders - That the "Sub - Class - Untouchables" who for "whatever reason" Don't Have either an ST / FC this year somehow


............"Arent truly committed" or "Don't Love" the club "as much as they do"!



I'll tell you what you already know - it was bl**dy cold out last night good people !



For ANYONE to queue or camp out in "that" weather?....... If thats NOT dedication born out of a True Love for Bradford City AFC - then I don't know WHAT IS!



Good on 'em and lets hope theyve just about "thawed out" by a week on Sunday to see the lads "Realise the Dream - c-:= ............C I T D

Of course it is commitment but surely the lesson for anyone who has spent the day in the cold (and lost a day's pay/holiday as a result) is to invest in a membership card / flexi card or, heaven forbid a season ticket. There is no guarantee that we'll be at Wembley again in the near future but at least it provides peace of mind and more importantly makes a financial commitment to the club. Besides, surely you have better things to do with your time???

Well said bingleybantam-ms54!

Season ticket holders come and go as much as any other supporter. I wonder how many of the ST holders on this thread became ST holders when City got promoted to the Premier League. Nothing wrong with that, of course, I'm just making the point. I was a ST holder for 12 years before and including the Premier League years,but I'm not now. Does that make me less of a fan? If every person who once had been a ST holder still was, VP would be sold out every game!!

Anyway, I've got myself a couple of tickets so all is well in the word!!

lancaster77 wrote:
Well said bingleybantam-ms54!

Season ticket holders come and go as much as any other supporter. I wonder how many of the ST holders on this thread became ST holders when City got promoted to the Premier League. Nothing wrong with that, of course, I'm just making the point. I was a ST holder for 12 years before and including the Premier League years,but I'm not now. Does that make me less of a fan? If every person who once had been a ST holder still was, VP would be sold out every game!!

Anyway, I've got myself a couple of tickets so all is well in the word!!

Of course season ticket holders come and go but we are talking about 2012/13 and those prepared to make a commitment last year. After the debacle of the season there were plenty who were not prepared to commit. Arguably anyone who has been a season ticket holder for the last ten years deserves a Wembley ticket free of charge. Plenty people turned their back on the club after the Premier League days ended and the two insolvencies.

Thank you for those who have read and understood my thoughts, and chosen to offer a different opinion. Football is of course full of opinions, it's what keeps us in the pubs every weekend. I would still ask my fellow fans though to show some compassion to those who were desperate to make it but couldn't - you don't know their circumstances, nor have the right to judge. Based on some people standards the only perfect solution would have been for 1 ticket per season ticket holder, then send the rest back, we don't need them! What a terrible shame that would have been. See you all at Wembley next weekend, and lets bring with us the spirit of Des Hamilton and Mark Stallard from 96!!

BREAKING NEWS: Regular Second West drinker and former Man Utd fan Steve Price was the 1st in line. It's also his 1st visit to VP.....what a surprise!

Now that the last tickets have gone if anyone is still needing travel we have 1 seat available on a 24 seater coach leaving Odsal area at 0800hrs - £32, message me if interested

lancaster77 wrote:
Well said bingleybantam-ms54! Season ticket holders come and go as much as any other supporter. I wonder how many of the ST holders on this thread became ST holders when City got promoted to the Premier League. Nothing wrong with that, of course, I'm just making the point. I was a ST holder for 12 years before and including the Premier League years,but I'm not now. Does that make me less of a fan? If every person who once had been a ST holder still was, VP would be sold out every game!! Anyway, I've got myself a couple of tickets so all is well in the word!!

It is impossible to say that you are any less of a fan. That is a subjective question and without knowing you, how can anyone say?

What is apparent is that you were a season-ticket holder in better times but are no longer supporting the club in such a way.

Also, I cannot concur with the idea that season ticket holders come and go as much as any other supporter. Try convincing a twenty-five year season ticket holder.

I do not understand your reference to people buying a season ticket for the Premier League. Whether they did or not is irrelevant. What matters is the 2012-2013 season and the support that is given to the current regime.

Danstarr69 wrote:
BREAKING NEWS: Regular Second West drinker and former Man Utd fan Steve Price was the 1st in line. It's also his 1st visit to VP.....what a surprise!

And on the T and A video attached to toady's story he says he knew we were on our way to Wembley after the first round victory at Wigan......

BigFigure wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote: BREAKING NEWS: Regular Second West drinker and former Man Utd fan Steve Price was the 1st in line. It's also his 1st visit to VP.....what a surprise!

And on the T and A video attached to toady's story he says he knew we were on our way to Wembley after the first round victory at Wigan......

Oh dear Mr Price; thank you for gloriously unravelling my argument in one fell, ill-informed swoop.

Edinho wrote:

BigFigure wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote: BREAKING NEWS: Regular Second West drinker and former Man Utd fan Steve Price was the 1st in line. It's also his 1st visit to VP.....what a surprise!

And on the T and A video attached to toady's story he says he knew we were on our way to Wembley after the first round victory at Wigan......

Oh dear Mr Price; thank you for gloriously unravelling my argument in one fell, ill-informed swoop.

Just what you needed!

bingleybantam-ms54 wrote:
I hope these images finally put paid to all the absolute garbage that was spouted by some of the "True Supporters of the club" ie ST & FlexiCard holders - That the "Sub - Class - Untouchables" who for "whatever reason" Don't Have either an ST / FC this year somehow ............"Arent truly committed" or "Don't Love" the club "as much as they do"! I'll tell you what you already know - it was bl**dy cold out last night good people ! For ANYONE to queue or camp out in "that" weather?....... If thats NOT dedication born out of a True Love for Bradford City AFC - then I don't know WHAT IS! Good on 'em and lets hope theyve just about "thawed out" by a week on Sunday to see the lads "Realise the Dream - c-:= ............C I T D

The reason why the discussion began was due to those without tickets kicking-up a stink.

I do not recall anyone referring to them as "Sub - Class - Untouchables".

If they did, it was probably down to retaliation to a petulant outburst from someone who is trying to re-join the parade.

Dedication = willing to take a day off work, and sit outside on a freezing cold February night for Wembley tickets....... aye, shame you couldn't show the same dedication to get time off Saturday afternoons, although I know for some people, they have other commitments ; shopping / cleaning / babysitting / washing ya hair.......

If this cup run has done anything it has galvanised, mobilised and reconnected the club to a wider fan base than routinely attends home matches....that is a very good thing....that regular support is already excellent for League 2.....increasing it naturally does require some success....hopefu football would assist in that process.....every single football club sees their attendances rise with success....there will always be bigger fans than others.....

bhuna156 wrote:
I wish some of you will stop it with the childish "you're not a real fan unless you have a season ticket" nonsense...

I've supported them through thick and thin over the past 20 years, but I've been unable to go to many matches over the past few years because I now work Saturdays and have a young family to look after during the week.

I'm just over the moon we've made it to the League Cup final! Sure it would be great to actually be at Wembley, but watching them lift the cup on Sky Sports with all the family over will be just as special :D

You may well be a 'real fan', however you did not have a flexi card. £50 would have saved you money for each game after the first 5 and ensured you had a regular seat. I can understand why you did not have a ST, but not getting a Flexi! Well................
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lancaster77 wrote:
Well said bingleybantam-ms54! Season ticket holders come and go as much as any other supporter. I wonder how many of the ST holders on this thread became ST holders when City got promoted to the Premier League. Nothing wrong with that, of course, I'm just making the point. I was a ST holder for 12 years before and including the Premier League years,but I'm not now. Does that make me less of a fan? If every person who once had been a ST holder still was, VP would be sold out every game!! Anyway, I've got myself a couple of tickets so all is well in the word!!
It is impossible to say that you are any less of a fan. That is a subjective question and without knowing you, how can anyone say?

What is apparent is that you were a season-ticket holder in better times but are no longer supporting the club in such a way.

Also, I cannot concur with the idea that season ticket holders come and go as much as any other supporter. Try convincing a twenty-five year season ticket holder.

I do not understand your reference to people buying a season ticket for the Premier League. Whether they did or not is irrelevant. What matters is the 2012-2013 season and the support that is given to the current regime.

Michael Clayton - you think the Dolan, Yorath, Docherty, Stapleton, Lawrence years were better than this? Hmm debatable. Anyway enough of all this childish bickering - lets all just have a bloody great day!!

We have 25 year season tickets but didn't get one for this season because of work commitments & we had to queue up yesterday for ours!!!

Season ticket holders are allowed 3 each, so that's one for the ST holder - but who will get the other 2?
Maybe lesser fans than people who couldn't get a ST this season...

bhuna156 wrote:
Season ticket holders are allowed 3 each, so that's one for the ST holder - but who will get the other 2?
Maybe lesser fans than people who couldn't get a ST this season...

Just overheard this not 30 minutes ago in the pub

A 'Fan' asked his "mate", who was a season ticket holder and only wanted one, to get two more as his allowance,for the 'mate'.

Season ticket holder did as was asked, but when he met with fan he wanted £150.00 per ticket from fan.

Season ticket holder is now sat with two tickets he doesnt want and the friendship no longer exists.

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wonder if wembley is they first game of the season, who showed them the way to the ticket office or did they just borrow a sat nav

FGS what a load of old moaners. It beats me why anybody would want to shell out to buy a ticket to watch a match with some of you lot. You'd be moaning and whinging if nobody had turned up to buy tickets and going by some of the comments, perhaps you would have been happier if this had been the case. Then you could have had a real good carp about only season ticket holders supporting the club and your martyrdom would've been complete.