Bradford City release Bullock, Seip and Kozluk (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

I think it's a mistake letting Bullock go. Versatile, willing and committed, he always gave 100% and never let anybody down. It's a shame Seip didn't want to stay, he looked like he would be a good addition to the squad.

I'm concerned that Syers might leave for want of a bit more money, he is the sort of player we should build a future around.

Sorry to hear about Bully, I think he is type of squad player needed to fill in. Never let anyone down. Goodluck Bully. Seip I can understand if shis family are down south and a baby on the way. Getting more worried about Syers though, dont want to loose him we should be building around him. Branston, Williams and Stewart were pretty obvious choices for departure as PP has never rated them

THE GOOD :

- GOING ; Kozluk, Seip, Dean
- TOLD TO GO ; Branston, Overson, Burns
- OFFERED NEW CONTRACTS ; Oliver, Syers

THE BAD :

- GOING ; Bullock, Stewart
- TOLD TO GO ; Williams, Rowe, Stephenson
- OFFERED NEW CONTRACT ; Ramsden

Nothing surprising about this news. Although, it would appear that the supporters rate Syers more than the club. The offer must be derisory otherwise he would have signed by now?

No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

It's a shame really about Marcel Seip, he had a lot of potential but after his injuries he didn't really feature.

Hopefully Luke Oliver accepts his offer as he has been great this season and they need someone like him in the squad.

Looking forward to seeing Nahki Wells and James Hansen next season, hopefully they're a sign of things to come!

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Couldn't disagree more. None of these releases surprise me really. Decisions aren't always made purely on football only - as per seip with his family. He is the only released player I would keep. Don't forget this squad finished 18th and non of the players released are better than those we kept. Therefore this lot had to go to freshen up the squad. If you have concerns over these releases them 'your team' would see us drop out of the league. You need to see who comes in b4 u moan about who has gone!

Feel for Bully never once let the club down ok not the most gifted but one who was always commited for the cause best of luck.All the others not surprised and what I expected although I feel not giving Stewart a chance in pre-season to show his worth as I personally believe he has the potential to play higher certainley as the skill but because he didnt get the goals he was signed for was frozen out by PP.

For once I agree with pp decisions here. If we are to progress we need to have better players than bully and co. I really hope ramsden gets fit oliver and syers sign. The spine of the team could be strong and with these changes hopefully a winning mentality may develop. Johnny Mac ramsden oliver new cb new lb Reid syers Jones new right mid Hanson wells. Squad players ravenhill fry need new gk cb new rb new right mid left mid centre mid and 2 strikers. That would give us a balanced squad. My hope would be that pp develops a good squad moral which does not include rotation but strong competition for places. This would aid to a winning mentality and make sure players were happy but not comfy. And one more wish positive football!

I hope he gives Atkinson a nice long contract.

Dominic Rowe, Lee Bullock and Pies (Seip) are the decisions im most annoyed about.

Dominic Rowe was a class player in ever game he played last season.

Lee Bullock is a great back up

Pies just looked like a decent player

JamesRobertshaw wrote:
Dominic Rowe, Lee Bullock and Pies (Seip) are the decisions im most annoyed about.

Dominic Rowe was a class player in ever game he played last season.

Lee Bullock is a great back up

Pies just looked like a decent player

Seip has said he doesn't want to stay...and Rowe didn't play for City last season...6 games for Barrow and 4 sub appearances..class?

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Yes, some real quality leaving there (rolls eyes). Still I'd expect nothing less, he could have unleashed clones of McCall and Hendrie from the 87/88 season for next years squad and you'd still be grumbling. Thought Bully may have stayed for back up but if he was on a big wage then fair enough.

As far as the central defence goes, all we have is big man Olly. that means we need 3 new central defenders now williams, siep, Branners and Dean have gone. I know Parky will be chasing another striker to add to Wells, Jimmy H. and Rosco. I'm hearing that Newcastle are sniffing after Nahki. Parky could have kept Bully as back up. But Parky must already have a list of targets he wants and is probably talking to them now.

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

Would love Davies to stay but I think we are dreaming! Reckon he may go to a 1st or Championship club. Be very surprised if not?

If no bigger club comes in for Davies I think we may still have a sneaky chance. He loved his time here, his discipline for a CH wasn't bad if you remove the 2 farcical reds he received earlier in the season.

Bully leaving is disappointing, must surely have been worth at least another year considering his performances and versatility.

18th in the league two seasons on the trot meant that PP had to make tough decisions to make an improvement.

Let's reserve judgement ow until we see the new crop and the fusion of those with the existing squad and obviously how we start the season. Parky knows the club now and he must surely realise what the paying fans enjoy seeing and the support they will give if we get at the opposition. This may cause the odd blip and loss but will be received in a more positive manner if we win 15 home matches, lose 5 and draw the other three.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
If no bigger club comes in for Davies I think we may still have a sneaky chance. He loved his time here, his discipline for a CH wasn't bad if you remove the 2 farcical reds he received earlier in the season.

Bully leaving is disappointing, must surely have been worth at least another year considering his performances and versatility.

18th in the league two seasons on the trot meant that PP had to make tough decisions to make an improvement.

Let's reserve judgement ow until we see the new crop and the fusion of those with the existing squad and obviously how we start the season. Parky knows the club now and he must surely realise what the paying fans enjoy seeing and the support they will give if we get at the opposition. This may cause the odd blip and loss but will be received in a more positive manner if we win 15 home matches, lose 5 and draw the other three.

good post, agree with all of it. fingers crossed over Davis

I feel sorry for the players we have released you have all been slating them over the season,it's simple you wouldn't expect a marathon runner to win the 100 metres unless your pp.

I'd have thought that it may have been worth keeping Bully, in view of his versatility. The fact that he's one of the higher earners makes me wonder whether we're going to make a determined effort to use the savings from him, Flynn and Fagan, to try and tempt Davies.

When Andrew Burns was signed last summer, I recall all the hype about what a coup it was. Now, like a lot of our other young players, he's been told he's surplus to requirements. Dominic Rowe was on the fringe of the first team the season before last, and similarly he's going. We've had some success with younger players moving to bigger clubs but those on the fringes never seem to develop.

Scot Brown, I'd start looking for another club now.......

I agree with many of the comments on here. City have been v poor for the last three years. Fringe players going to free up wages to enable better quality but smaller squad with hard working mentaility to be developed? Just hope the likes of Oliver stay on and . Will be an interesting summer !

Cheers Bully, you've been a great servant to the club. Good luck going forward.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

If you throw enough dung some is going to stick I'm sure. Duke rubbish kozluk rubbish atkinson rubbish haworth rubbish the lad from Leeds rubbish, smalley rubbish, reed rubbish i don't want to go on. He messed compton around, bully hasn't let us down, syers may go as he has been messed around. Branston although limited is a useful squad player. Why take a risk with ramsden who is injury prone at best. I agree Davies is a good player but he is a hot head and will continue to be suspended time again not that it matters as he won't stay. We can't afford him full stop as season tickets will be well down. Wells won't sign either his agent is probably doing overtime to get a better deal elsewhere. Its not just who has gone some aren't good enough, i agree,i just think his signings have been more miss than hit. Officially remember Reid was signed before Pp was appointed and Jacko resigned so he can't even take credit for him, unless shock horror the club were telling porkies which i know you hate fans alleging.

macca1969 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

If you throw enough dung some is going to stick I'm sure. Duke rubbish kozluk rubbish atkinson rubbish haworth rubbish the lad from Leeds rubbish, smalley rubbish, reed rubbish i don't want to go on. He messed compton around, bully hasn't let us down, syers may go as he has been messed around. Branston although limited is a useful squad player. Why take a risk with ramsden who is injury prone at best. I agree Davies is a good player but he is a hot head and will continue to be suspended time again not that it matters as he won't stay. We can't afford him full stop as season tickets will be well down. Wells won't sign either his agent is probably doing overtime to get a better deal elsewhere. Its not just who has gone some aren't good enough, i agree,i just think his signings have been more miss than hit. Officially remember Reid was signed before Pp was appointed and Jacko resigned so he can't even take credit for him, unless shock horror the club were telling porkies which i know you hate fans alleging.

You originally claimed: 'PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!' You are now trying to argue different points.

Yes, your correct I 'hate fans alleging'. 'ALLEGING' : To Claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically without proof that this is the case.

YOU 'allege' that PP cant take credit for the signing of Reid. What utter rubbish. Why do you make such a ridiculous claim? Who did get Reid to sign for City if it wasn't PP? Here is a quote from Reid on the matter: "When he got the call that he was getting the job here, he called me straight away.

"There was no hesitation from me to think about League Two, I just thought that it's a big club, a massive club and a good opportunity for me, plus I know the manager very well."

Parkinson was appointed manager on 28th August 2011, Kyal Reid signed for City on 30th August 2011. At the same time as he was talking to Reid he was also trying to sign Benson from Charlton. PP was trying to get both deals done before 11pm on Wednesday 31st August because that was when the transfer window shut.

Now, can you understand why I don't suffer fans allegations lightly? If fans making allegations could, just for once, 'shock horror', back up their allegations with evidence then I wouldn't have a problem. But, unfortunately, as you have demonstrated they very often can't. Is it your practice to 'throw enough dung' in the hope that 'some is going to stick'?

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

If you throw enough dung some is going to stick I'm sure. Duke rubbish kozluk rubbish atkinson rubbish haworth rubbish the lad from Leeds rubbish, smalley rubbish, reed rubbish i don't want to go on. He messed compton around, bully hasn't let us down, syers may go as he has been messed around. Branston although limited is a useful squad player. Why take a risk with ramsden who is injury prone at best. I agree Davies is a good player but he is a hot head and will continue to be suspended time again not that it matters as he won't stay. We can't afford him full stop as season tickets will be well down. Wells won't sign either his agent is probably doing overtime to get a better deal elsewhere. Its not just who has gone some aren't good enough, i agree,i just think his signings have been more miss than hit. Officially remember Reid was signed before Pp was appointed and Jacko resigned so he can't even take credit for him, unless shock horror the club were telling porkies which i know you hate fans alleging.

You originally claimed: 'PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!' You are now trying to argue different points.

Yes, your correct I 'hate fans alleging'. 'ALLEGING' : To Claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically without proof that this is the case.

YOU 'allege' that PP cant take credit for the signing of Reid. What utter rubbish. Why do you make such a ridiculous claim? Who did get Reid to sign for City if it wasn't PP? Here is a quote from Reid on the matter: "When he got the call that he was getting the job here, he called me straight away.

"There was no hesitation from me to think about League Two, I just thought that it's a big club, a massive club and a good opportunity for me, plus I know the manager very well."

Parkinson was appointed manager on 28th August 2011, Kyal Reid signed for City on 30th August 2011. At the same time as he was talking to Reid he was also trying to sign Benson from Charlton. PP was trying to get both deals done before 11pm on Wednesday 31st August because that was when the transfer window shut.

Now, can you understand why I don't suffer fans allegations lightly? If fans making allegations could, just for once, 'shock horror', back up their allegations with evidence then I wouldn't have a problem. But, unfortunately, as you have demonstrated they very often can't. Is it your practice to 'throw enough dung' in the hope that 'some is going to stick'?

Correction: Reid signed on the 29th August 2011.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

your having a laugh we had no intentions of signing benson yet another lawn publicity stunt .reid is overated for me yes hes fast but thats all,davies is hardly a player within our budget so should be decent wells,syers,compton not his choice ,look at the dross hes signed now there you have a much longer list pp has no clue.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

If you throw enough dung some is going to stick I'm sure. Duke rubbish kozluk rubbish atkinson rubbish haworth rubbish the lad from Leeds rubbish, smalley rubbish, reed rubbish i don't want to go on. He messed compton around, bully hasn't let us down, syers may go as he has been messed around. Branston although limited is a useful squad player. Why take a risk with ramsden who is injury prone at best. I agree Davies is a good player but he is a hot head and will continue to be suspended time again not that it matters as he won't stay. We can't afford him full stop as season tickets will be well down. Wells won't sign either his agent is probably doing overtime to get a better deal elsewhere. Its not just who has gone some aren't good enough, i agree,i just think his signings have been more miss than hit. Officially remember Reid was signed before Pp was appointed and Jacko resigned so he can't even take credit for him, unless shock horror the club were telling porkies which i know you hate fans alleging.

You originally claimed: 'PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!' You are now trying to argue different points.

Yes, your correct I 'hate fans alleging'. 'ALLEGING' : To Claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically without proof that this is the case.

YOU 'allege' that PP cant take credit for the signing of Reid. What utter rubbish. Why do you make such a ridiculous claim? Who did get Reid to sign for City if it wasn't PP? Here is a quote from Reid on the matter: "When he got the call that he was getting the job here, he called me straight away.

"There was no hesitation from me to think about League Two, I just thought that it's a big club, a massive club and a good opportunity for me, plus I know the manager very well."

Parkinson was appointed manager on 28th August 2011, Kyal Reid signed for City on 30th August 2011. At the same time as he was talking to Reid he was also trying to sign Benson from Charlton. PP was trying to get both deals done before 11pm on Wednesday 31st August because that was when the transfer window shut.

Now, can you understand why I don't suffer fans allegations lightly? If fans making allegations could, just for once, 'shock horror', back up their allegations with evidence then I wouldn't have a problem. But, unfortunately, as you have demonstrated they very often can't. Is it your practice to 'throw enough dung' in the hope that 'some is going to stick'?

Correction: Reid signed on the 29th August 2011.

If you go back through the archives when Jacko resigned Christie was in London tying up the deals to bring in Reid and someone else you say Benson. Fast mover Christie when exactly did PP get the call the day before Jacko resigned?
My point stands he wouldn't know a good player if he fell over one. Besides Davies who came from the premier league so should be good the quality he has signed has been shocking, most have not improved the team so don't expect me to be excited at the dross I'm sure he is about to sign now. We used 40 players last season with PP responsible for at least 15 or more. How many of his quality players has he offered a deal too. Rubbish judge of players, i worry about his future because when chairmen realise he can't coach he will never be able to fall back on being a scout.

Nevelhound wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Couldn't disagree more. None of these releases surprise me really. Decisions aren't always made purely on football only - as per seip with his family. He is the only released player I would keep. Don't forget this squad finished 18th and non of the players released are better than those we kept. Therefore this lot had to go to freshen up the squad. If you have concerns over these releases them 'your team' would see us drop out of the league. You need to see who comes in b4 u moan about who has gone!

sorry macca but i agree as well.

Kozluc just wasn't good enough for me and glad that Parky agree's.

Seip would have been a decent squad member but.....

Bullock whilst dependable to a degree we weren't going to improve and/or progress with this as a players credential. Is been 'dependable' enough? Bullock mixed some steady, even the occasional good performance with some poorer one's.

The only questionable decision is perhaps the youngsters e.g. Rowe who perhaps should have had a run at the end of the season once we were safe.

Overall this looks like we are looking at a much smaller squad finally but hopefully stronger playing wise. We can then cross our fingers injury wise and utilise the loan system as its meant to be used for once.....

Victor Clayton wrote:
I hope he gives Atkinson a nice long contract.

very funny .....

dannbradfc wrote:

Nevelhound wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Couldn't disagree more. None of these releases surprise me really. Decisions aren't always made purely on football only - as per seip with his family. He is the only released player I would keep. Don't forget this squad finished 18th and non of the players released are better than those we kept. Therefore this lot had to go to freshen up the squad. If you have concerns over these releases them 'your team' would see us drop out of the league. You need to see who comes in b4 u moan about who has gone!

sorry macca but i agree as well.

Kozluc just wasn't good enough for me and glad that Parky agree's.

Seip would have been a decent squad member but.....

Bullock whilst dependable to a degree we weren't going to improve and/or progress with this as a players credential. Is been 'dependable' enough? Bullock mixed some steady, even the occasional good performance with some poorer one's.

The only questionable decision is perhaps the youngsters e.g. Rowe who perhaps should have had a run at the end of the season once we were safe.

My point isn't who is staying or going but that he can't judge a decent player. He has a ratio of one good player for about 6/7 brought in. At this level and with our resources you need a better return. Out of all his signings only 3 are up to it poss 4. In saying that Davis isn't even in our league so should have been good.

LONNIE

you keep citing players who have been offered contracts but turned them down. You appear to offer this as evidence of the club looking to assemble a good squad and Parky having an 'eye' for a player. Anyone can offer a contract thats worthless. What were the terms? You could argue that the amount of players needing time and/or not accepting contracts suggets that we are trying to do this on the cheap. Indeed Lawn recently stated how there are 500 players out of contract and i imagine that he may see this as an opportunity to get players in on lower terms. However i'd argue that these players have been released for a reason. So instead of repeating the fact that Compton turned down a contract, perhaps you could consider that the terms he got with st johnstone may have been better for him? Or perhaps we are just offering very low sums to the likes of Syers, wellss etc. Offering a contract does not necessarily mean its a good one and is not indicative of the club making progress. Had the players signed then this would be the case however, but untill then.......

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

If you throw enough dung some is going to stick I'm sure. Duke rubbish kozluk rubbish atkinson rubbish haworth rubbish the lad from Leeds rubbish, smalley rubbish, reed rubbish i don't want to go on. He messed compton around, bully hasn't let us down, syers may go as he has been messed around. Branston although limited is a useful squad player. Why take a risk with ramsden who is injury prone at best. I agree Davies is a good player but he is a hot head and will continue to be suspended time again not that it matters as he won't stay. We can't afford him full stop as season tickets will be well down. Wells won't sign either his agent is probably doing overtime to get a better deal elsewhere. Its not just who has gone some aren't good enough, i agree,i just think his signings have been more miss than hit. Officially remember Reid was signed before Pp was appointed and Jacko resigned so he can't even take credit for him, unless shock horror the club were telling porkies which i know you hate fans alleging.

You originally claimed: 'PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!' You are now trying to argue different points.

Yes, your correct I 'hate fans alleging'. 'ALLEGING' : To Claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically without proof that this is the case.

YOU 'allege' that PP cant take credit for the signing of Reid. What utter rubbish. Why do you make such a ridiculous claim? Who did get Reid to sign for City if it wasn't PP? Here is a quote from Reid on the matter: "When he got the call that he was getting the job here, he called me straight away.

"There was no hesitation from me to think about League Two, I just thought that it's a big club, a massive club and a good opportunity for me, plus I know the manager very well."

Parkinson was appointed manager on 28th August 2011, Kyal Reid signed for City on 30th August 2011. At the same time as he was talking to Reid he was also trying to sign Benson from Charlton. PP was trying to get both deals done before 11pm on Wednesday 31st August because that was when the transfer window shut.

Now, can you understand why I don't suffer fans allegations lightly? If fans making allegations could, just for once, 'shock horror', back up their allegations with evidence then I wouldn't have a problem. But, unfortunately, as you have demonstrated they very often can't. Is it your practice to 'throw enough dung' in the hope that 'some is going to stick'?

I can't find anything to back up my claims that Reid was already being spoken too before Jacko quit so i will withdraw that.I shouldn't have listened to a certain person we all know without checking up first, i apologise. I won't withdraw the fact that Parky gas made mainly poor signings or been a very poor coach. I dread to see the dross he brings in on permanent deals.
Don't get me wrong i'd be more than happy for him to prove me wrong and shove these comments down my throat.alas i won't hold my breath!

dannbradfc wrote:
Overall this looks like we are looking at a much smaller squad finally but hopefully stronger playing wise. We can then cross our fingers injury wise and utilise the loan system as its meant to be used for once.....

Hope your right Dann...but how will PP keep the players fresh?:-)

Couple of shocked people above with regards to releasing some people, football is all to political these days not all about ability.

I think we should have 3 first choice centre backs and 3 first choice centre midfielders and then Bully kept on £300pw (with a £200pw appearance fee) as cover in both positions.
He might say no now but when he gets offered little else!!!

Wierd how Ramsden stayed fit when he knew he was playing for a contract. Personally don't think he has ever pulled up any trees and if he stays he should switch from being one of the highest paid players to one of the lowest.

macca1969 wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

Nevelhound wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Couldn't disagree more. None of these releases surprise me really. Decisions aren't always made purely on football only - as per seip with his family. He is the only released player I would keep. Don't forget this squad finished 18th and non of the players released are better than those we kept. Therefore this lot had to go to freshen up the squad. If you have concerns over these releases them 'your team' would see us drop out of the league. You need to see who comes in b4 u moan about who has gone!

sorry macca but i agree as well.

Kozluc just wasn't good enough for me and glad that Parky agree's.

Seip would have been a decent squad member but.....

Bullock whilst dependable to a degree we weren't going to improve and/or progress with this as a players credential. Is been 'dependable' enough? Bullock mixed some steady, even the occasional good performance with some poorer one's.

The only questionable decision is perhaps the youngsters e.g. Rowe who perhaps should have had a run at the end of the season once we were safe.

My point isn't who is staying or going but that he can't judge a decent player. He has a ratio of one good player for about 6/7 brought in. At this level and with our resources you need a better return. Out of all his signings only 3 are up to it poss 4. In saying that Davis isn't even in our league so should have been good.

ok

thought you were just talking about the three players leaving.

i too feel that some of the players brought in have looked poor. Thats why i'm a little surprised but glad that Kozluc is not staying.

Reid may have been Christies choice as you say. As we were in negotiations BEFORE Parky became manager. I think it would be a legal matter otherwise surely and Jackson would be very interested if Parky was choosing players before been manager ;-).

Some of Parky's choices since have been very debateable. For instance i'd argue that not one of his wide right players showed any better than the player he discarded without even looking at him - Stewart. It would suggest Lawns direction on that one though. Only conjecture but dint Sherlock holmes state something about once everything else has been ruled out, what remains however improbable must be the truth?? However that was fiction.....;-) (cue Lonnie ;-))......

macca1969 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

If you throw enough dung some is going to stick I'm sure. Duke rubbish kozluk rubbish atkinson rubbish haworth rubbish the lad from Leeds rubbish, smalley rubbish, reed rubbish i don't want to go on. He messed compton around, bully hasn't let us down, syers may go as he has been messed around. Branston although limited is a useful squad player. Why take a risk with ramsden who is injury prone at best. I agree Davies is a good player but he is a hot head and will continue to be suspended time again not that it matters as he won't stay. We can't afford him full stop as season tickets will be well down. Wells won't sign either his agent is probably doing overtime to get a better deal elsewhere. Its not just who has gone some aren't good enough, i agree,i just think his signings have been more miss than hit. Officially remember Reid was signed before Pp was appointed and Jacko resigned so he can't even take credit for him, unless shock horror the club were telling porkies which i know you hate fans alleging.

You originally claimed: 'PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!' You are now trying to argue different points.

Yes, your correct I 'hate fans alleging'. 'ALLEGING' : To Claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically without proof that this is the case.

YOU 'allege' that PP cant take credit for the signing of Reid. What utter rubbish. Why do you make such a ridiculous claim? Who did get Reid to sign for City if it wasn't PP? Here is a quote from Reid on the matter: "When he got the call that he was getting the job here, he called me straight away.

"There was no hesitation from me to think about League Two, I just thought that it's a big club, a massive club and a good opportunity for me, plus I know the manager very well."

Parkinson was appointed manager on 28th August 2011, Kyal Reid signed for City on 30th August 2011. At the same time as he was talking to Reid he was also trying to sign Benson from Charlton. PP was trying to get both deals done before 11pm on Wednesday 31st August because that was when the transfer window shut.

Now, can you understand why I don't suffer fans allegations lightly? If fans making allegations could, just for once, 'shock horror', back up their allegations with evidence then I wouldn't have a problem. But, unfortunately, as you have demonstrated they very often can't. Is it your practice to 'throw enough dung' in the hope that 'some is going to stick'?

I can't find anything to back up my claims that Reid was already being spoken too before Jacko quit so i will withdraw that.I shouldn't have listened to a certain person we all know without checking up first, i apologise. I won't withdraw the fact that Parky gas made mainly poor signings or been a very poor coach. I dread to see the dross he brings in on permanent deals.
Don't get me wrong i'd be more than happy for him to prove me wrong and shove these comments down my throat.alas i won't hold my breath!

I too remember something on the lines of it been reported that city/christie were in talks with two players before (the weekend before) Parky was employed.....

dannbradfc wrote:

macca1969 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

If you throw enough dung some is going to stick I'm sure. Duke rubbish kozluk rubbish atkinson rubbish haworth rubbish the lad from Leeds rubbish, smalley rubbish, reed rubbish i don't want to go on. He messed compton around, bully hasn't let us down, syers may go as he has been messed around. Branston although limited is a useful squad player. Why take a risk with ramsden who is injury prone at best. I agree Davies is a good player but he is a hot head and will continue to be suspended time again not that it matters as he won't stay. We can't afford him full stop as season tickets will be well down. Wells won't sign either his agent is probably doing overtime to get a better deal elsewhere. Its not just who has gone some aren't good enough, i agree,i just think his signings have been more miss than hit. Officially remember Reid was signed before Pp was appointed and Jacko resigned so he can't even take credit for him, unless shock horror the club were telling porkies which i know you hate fans alleging.

You originally claimed: 'PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!' You are now trying to argue different points.

Yes, your correct I 'hate fans alleging'. 'ALLEGING' : To Claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically without proof that this is the case.

YOU 'allege' that PP cant take credit for the signing of Reid. What utter rubbish. Why do you make such a ridiculous claim? Who did get Reid to sign for City if it wasn't PP? Here is a quote from Reid on the matter: "When he got the call that he was getting the job here, he called me straight away.

"There was no hesitation from me to think about League Two, I just thought that it's a big club, a massive club and a good opportunity for me, plus I know the manager very well."

Parkinson was appointed manager on 28th August 2011, Kyal Reid signed for City on 30th August 2011. At the same time as he was talking to Reid he was also trying to sign Benson from Charlton. PP was trying to get both deals done before 11pm on Wednesday 31st August because that was when the transfer window shut.

Now, can you understand why I don't suffer fans allegations lightly? If fans making allegations could, just for once, 'shock horror', back up their allegations with evidence then I wouldn't have a problem. But, unfortunately, as you have demonstrated they very often can't. Is it your practice to 'throw enough dung' in the hope that 'some is going to stick'?

I can't find anything to back up my claims that Reid was already being spoken too before Jacko quit so i will withdraw that.I shouldn't have listened to a certain person we all know without checking up first, i apologise. I won't withdraw the fact that Parky gas made mainly poor signings or been a very poor coach. I dread to see the dross he brings in on permanent deals.
Don't get me wrong i'd be more than happy for him to prove me wrong and shove these comments down my throat.alas i won't hold my breath!

I too remember something on the lines of it been reported that city/christie were in talks with two players before (the weekend before) Parky was employed.....

The thing is without the proof lonnie hangs you out to dry. So if we were already in negotiations before he became manager the list of good players signed goes down.

macca1969 wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

macca1969 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

If you throw enough dung some is going to stick I'm sure. Duke rubbish kozluk rubbish atkinson rubbish haworth rubbish the lad from Leeds rubbish, smalley rubbish, reed rubbish i don't want to go on. He messed compton around, bully hasn't let us down, syers may go as he has been messed around. Branston although limited is a useful squad player. Why take a risk with ramsden who is injury prone at best. I agree Davies is a good player but he is a hot head and will continue to be suspended time again not that it matters as he won't stay. We can't afford him full stop as season tickets will be well down. Wells won't sign either his agent is probably doing overtime to get a better deal elsewhere. Its not just who has gone some aren't good enough, i agree,i just think his signings have been more miss than hit. Officially remember Reid was signed before Pp was appointed and Jacko resigned so he can't even take credit for him, unless shock horror the club were telling porkies which i know you hate fans alleging.

You originally claimed: 'PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!' You are now trying to argue different points.

Yes, your correct I 'hate fans alleging'. 'ALLEGING' : To Claim or assert that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically without proof that this is the case.

YOU 'allege' that PP cant take credit for the signing of Reid. What utter rubbish. Why do you make such a ridiculous claim? Who did get Reid to sign for City if it wasn't PP? Here is a quote from Reid on the matter: "When he got the call that he was getting the job here, he called me straight away.

"There was no hesitation from me to think about League Two, I just thought that it's a big club, a massive club and a good opportunity for me, plus I know the manager very well."

Parkinson was appointed manager on 28th August 2011, Kyal Reid signed for City on 30th August 2011. At the same time as he was talking to Reid he was also trying to sign Benson from Charlton. PP was trying to get both deals done before 11pm on Wednesday 31st August because that was when the transfer window shut.

Now, can you understand why I don't suffer fans allegations lightly? If fans making allegations could, just for once, 'shock horror', back up their allegations with evidence then I wouldn't have a problem. But, unfortunately, as you have demonstrated they very often can't. Is it your practice to 'throw enough dung' in the hope that 'some is going to stick'?

I can't find anything to back up my claims that Reid was already being spoken too before Jacko quit so i will withdraw that.I shouldn't have listened to a certain person we all know without checking up first, i apologise. I won't withdraw the fact that Parky gas made mainly poor signings or been a very poor coach. I dread to see the dross he brings in on permanent deals.
Don't get me wrong i'd be more than happy for him to prove me wrong and shove these comments down my throat.alas i won't hold my breath!

I too remember something on the lines of it been reported that city/christie were in talks with two players before (the weekend before) Parky was employed.....

The thing is without the proof lonnie hangs you out to dry. So if we were already in negotiations before he became manager the list of good players signed goes down.

it was in t and a but finding it is tedious.

your latter point depends entirely on how it was done. rumour suggests that jackson had two different targets in mind. if pp was already talking to lawn/rhodes b4 jackson left then legal stuff could ensue. however contributing talks to christie negates this. Amazing coincidence how they were Parkinsons ex-=players and then he joins within days though ;-).....

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

And if we did sign Davies out of the budget we had for Bully, Williams and Brano, what happens if he or Oliver pick up an injury/suspension? We won't have any cover because we would have blown it all on 1 player.

eckybantam wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

your having a laugh we had no intentions of signing benson yet another lawn publicity stunt .reid is overated for me yes hes fast but thats all,davies is hardly a player within our budget so should be decent wells,syers,compton not his choice ,look at the dross hes signed now there you have a much longer list pp has no clue.

T@A, Monday 29th of August 2011:

'City are in talks to sign Charlton’s former Dagenham striker Paul Benson after the Londoners accepted their bid, which is understood to be a lot lower than the reported £150,000 buy-out figure.

They are also hopeful of snapping up winger Kyel Reid, who is a free agent since leaving The Valley in the summer'.

And unless you were in a coma for most of this season you will have read about the ongoing 'on-off' negotiations and the advice against spending a large sum on Benson due to his 'knee problems' from Steve Bollen:
•Fellow of the British Orthopaedic Association
•Founder Member of the British Orthopaedic Sports Trauma Association
•Member of the British Association of Sports Medicine
•Member of the British Association for Surgery of the Knee
•Fellow of the Faculty of Sports and Exercise Medicine (UK).

Of course you may be correct, it could all have just been a complex and very public conspiracy, all done in order to support 'another Lawn publicity stunt'. (Rolls eyes!)

Thanks to Lee Bullock, wish you well in the future.

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

And if we did sign Davies out of the budget we had for Bully, Williams and Brano, what happens if he or Oliver pick up an injury/suspension? We won't have any cover because we would have blown it all on 1 player.

I don't think PP will only have two people who can play centre back by the time next season starts do you?.

It's not just the money side I'm viewing this from it's also the fact that he is getting shut of the equivalent of 3 CB's -4 if Davies doesn't sign! So what is he then going to do? It appears to me to be more of a positive towards Davies becoming a City player than not when looking at the offload list. If we had been keeping Branston or Williams then I would have said there was a lesser chance of Davies signing. And of course I don't think it's as simplistic as simply saying that 3 CB's going is going to be the equivalent in wages to what Davies is offered! It doesn't work like that in the real world. The wages and cost savings of ALL the 'efficiency' decisions along with ticket sales and the savings on not having to pay the high rents for the office block. (Has the office block been sold by Lawn and the Rhodes' or is it just a rumour?)

BD16 wrote:
I think it's a mistake letting Bullock go. Versatile, willing and committed, he always gave 100% and never let anybody down. It's a shame Seip didn't want to stay, he looked like he would be a good addition to the squad.

I'm concerned that Syers might leave for want of a bit more money, he is the sort of player we should build a future around.

agree with what you say hopefully Seip may have a change of heart if offers around the area he believes his value is don't come in. Bully has been a valued player in both the last 2 seasons helping us in the battle to stay up.

The thing that upsets me is why we can't develop the younger players to come through to the st team. I don't think sending them to teams like Barrow will not further their progress they need to learn to be professional and that would be with other pro's. maybe we will start to develop youth players in the future but we could do with a few now.

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

And if we did sign Davies out of the budget we had for Bully, Williams and Brano, what happens if he or Oliver pick up an injury/suspension? We won't have any cover because we would have blown it all on 1 player.

he'll obviously need cover but as LONNIE points out many players have turned down our offers of contracts. There must be a reason for this. Perhaps we don't offer much financiallY? thus can't see Davies accepting what others have turned down......

As i mentioned higher-up but gained no response. The offer of a contract doesn't mean that much without the actual details. Avenue could have offered a contract to all the above named but it doesn't mean it was any good. Indeed my gardens getting long......

Best wishes to 'Bullie' who played his part to the best of his ability, in his time at City. A player well-liked by the fans-I hope he has some good fortune in the future with whatever career path he takes.

It looks likely now there's going to be more players leaving City than we might have at first imagined.

Starting off with a large group of new players is not always the best way to start a new season so..let's hope the 'replacements' turn out better than their 'predecessors' and they 'gel' quickly to give us the best possible start in August!

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

And if we did sign Davies out of the budget we had for Bully, Williams and Brano, what happens if he or Oliver pick up an injury/suspension? We won't have any cover because we would have blown it all on 1 player.

I don't think PP will only have two people who can play centre back by the time next season starts do you?.

It's not just the money side I'm viewing this from it's also the fact that he is getting shut of the equivalent of 3 CB's -4 if Davies doesn't sign! So what is he then going to do? It appears to me to be more of a positive towards Davies becoming a City player than not when looking at the offload list. If we had been keeping Branston or Williams then I would have said there was a lesser chance of Davies signing. And of course I don't think it's as simplistic as simply saying that 3 CB's going is going to be the equivalent in wages to what Davies is offered! It doesn't work like that in the real world. The wages and cost savings of ALL the 'efficiency' decisions along with ticket sales and the savings on not having to pay the high rents for the office block. (Has the office block been sold by Lawn and the Rhodes' or is it just a rumour?)

definitely sold off to acharity to run a scho;;:Wayne Jacobs' charitable fund.

Done deal several months ago but, for some reason, never fully reorted in the t and a . ticket office likley to mobe now to Sunwin and the shop elsewhere in the ground bu just where I do not know. I have spoken to one of the charity's leaders about the independent school's aim. Mamagement and sport related management for kids within a two/three mile radius. One assmes the intake will, using these conditions, be largely Asian as that is the predominant race in the area. Please please let us have no ethnicity argument here.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

And if we did sign Davies out of the budget we had for Bully, Williams and Brano, what happens if he or Oliver pick up an injury/suspension? We won't have any cover because we would have blown it all on 1 player.

I don't think PP will only have two people who can play centre back by the time next season starts do you?.

It's not just the money side I'm viewing this from it's also the fact that he is getting shut of the equivalent of 3 CB's -4 if Davies doesn't sign! So what is he then going to do? It appears to me to be more of a positive towards Davies becoming a City player than not when looking at the offload list. If we had been keeping Branston or Williams then I would have said there was a lesser chance of Davies signing. And of course I don't think it's as simplistic as simply saying that 3 CB's going is going to be the equivalent in wages to what Davies is offered! It doesn't work like that in the real world. The wages and cost savings of ALL the 'efficiency' decisions along with ticket sales and the savings on not having to pay the high rents for the office block. (Has the office block been sold by Lawn and the Rhodes' or is it just a rumour?)

I think you have missed my point Lonnie. We have told Branston to find a new club, have offered Williams a pay-off and released Bully, leaving us with 1 centre-back on our books and there is no guarantee he (Oliver) will stay either.
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You suggest he is clearing the decks to be able to afford to offer Davies a deal. Even if he did sign, we would still need to find more money to sign a couple of back-ups. The fact is, we can't afford Davies.. End of..!

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

And if we did sign Davies out of the budget we had for Bully, Williams and Brano, what happens if he or Oliver pick up an injury/suspension? We won't have any cover because we would have blown it all on 1 player.

I don't think PP will only have two people who can play centre back by the time next season starts do you?.

It's not just the money side I'm viewing this from it's also the fact that he is getting shut of the equivalent of 3 CB's -4 if Davies doesn't sign! So what is he then going to do? It appears to me to be more of a positive towards Davies becoming a City player than not when looking at the offload list. If we had been keeping Branston or Williams then I would have said there was a lesser chance of Davies signing. And of course I don't think it's as simplistic as simply saying that 3 CB's going is going to be the equivalent in wages to what Davies is offered! It doesn't work like that in the real world. The wages and cost savings of ALL the 'efficiency' decisions along with ticket sales and the savings on not having to pay the high rents for the office block. (Has the office block been sold by Lawn and the Rhodes' or is it just a rumour?)

I think you have missed my point Lonnie. We have told Branston to find a new club, have offered Williams a pay-off and released Bully, leaving us with 1 centre-back on our books and there is no guarantee he (Oliver) will stay either.
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You suggest he is clearing the decks to be able to afford to offer Davies a deal. Even if he did sign, we would still need to find more money to sign a couple of back-ups. The fact is, we can't afford Davies.. End of..!

agreed :we cannot afford Davies and he will go to a champioship club not a million miles from where he currently has a house.

worried that Oliver is out of contract() as advided several months ago (january time) wycombe are sniffing as he still has property in that area.

branston may well go to Luton to link up with his ex Torquay manager (buckle).

Syers needs to be sugned with decent money and wells needs to be signed for longer .

All in all I would want us to get a younger group of players with Ravenhll,jones and Syers forming the central core of it

lonniejockstrap wrote:

eckybantam wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

your having a laugh we had no intentions of signing benson yet another lawn publicity stunt .reid is overated for me yes hes fast but thats all,davies is hardly a player within our budget so should be decent wells,syers,compton not his choice ,look at the dross hes signed now there you have a much longer list pp has no clue.

T@A, Monday 29th of August 2011:

'City are in talks to sign Charlton’s former Dagenham striker Paul Benson after the Londoners accepted their bid, which is understood to be a lot lower than the reported £150,000 buy-out figure.

They are also hopeful of snapping up winger Kyel Reid, who is a free agent since leaving The Valley in the summer'.

And unless you were in a coma for most of this season you will have read about the ongoing 'on-off' negotiations and the advice against spending a large sum on Benson due to his 'knee problems' from Steve Bollen:
•Fellow of the British Orthopaedic Association
•Founder Member of the British Orthopaedic Sports Trauma Association
•Member of the British Association of Sports Medicine
•Member of the British Association for Surgery of the Knee
•Fellow of the Faculty of Sports and Exercise Medicine (UK).

Of course you may be correct, it could all have just been a complex and very public conspiracy, all done in order to support 'another Lawn publicity stunt'. (Rolls eyes!)

I'm pleased to see you have been reading the archives again Lonnie. Did you manage to find the articles on who and when we approached the likes of Reid and Benson.
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In case you missed them (accidentally of course), I will help you.
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Late on the afternoon of Thursday 25 August, we were told that Jacko had unexpectedly walked from his position as manager. The following morning, Lawn was quoted as saying they had a 3 man wishlist and weren't looking for any other applicants. He added that he was HOPING to speak to those 3 IF they were interested in speaking to City.
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Archie Christie was down in London on Friday 26 August as reported in the following Saturday's T&A. Funny how we later found out that Christie had been sent to London to sign 2 players (who happened to be Reid and Benson), yet PP wasn't officially 'signed' until Monday morning, albeit, he did agree to sign on Saturday...!
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Oh hang on, he agreed to sign on Saturday (according to the T&A on that day)? So how come Archie Christie was down in London the day before trying to tie up deals for two of Parkinson's targets?
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So was Reid Parkinson's first signing or not? It appears he was approached BEFORE his manager, or was this more poor journalism by the T&A. Surprised you never mentioned this in your retorts to Macca69 and Dann...!

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

eckybantam wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote: No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards. I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

your having a laugh we had no intentions of signing benson yet another lawn publicity stunt .reid is overated for me yes hes fast but thats all,davies is hardly a player within our budget so should be decent wells,syers,compton not his choice ,look at the dross hes signed now there you have a much longer list pp has no clue.

T@A, Monday 29th of August 2011: 'City are in talks to sign Charlton’s former Dagenham striker Paul Benson after the Londoners accepted their bid, which is understood to be a lot lower than the reported £150,000 buy-out figure. They are also hopeful of snapping up winger Kyel Reid, who is a free agent since leaving The Valley in the summer'. And unless you were in a coma for most of this season you will have read about the ongoing 'on-off' negotiations and the advice against spending a large sum on Benson due to his 'knee problems' from Steve Bollen: •Fellow of the British Orthopaedic Association •Founder Member of the British Orthopaedic Sports Trauma Association •Member of the British Association of Sports Medicine •Member of the British Association for Surgery of the Knee •Fellow of the Faculty of Sports and Exercise Medicine (UK). Of course you may be correct, it could all have just been a complex and very public conspiracy, all done in order to support 'another Lawn publicity stunt'. (Rolls eyes!)

I'm pleased to see you have been reading the archives again Lonnie. Did you manage to find the articles on who and when we approached the likes of Reid and Benson. . In case you missed them (accidentally of course), I will help you. . Late on the afternoon of Thursday 25 August, we were told that Jacko had unexpectedly walked from his position as manager. The following morning, Lawn was quoted as saying they had a 3 man wishlist and weren't looking for any other applicants. He added that he was HOPING to speak to those 3 IF they were interested in speaking to City. . Archie Christie was down in London on Friday 26 August as reported in the following Saturday's T&A. Funny how we later found out that Christie had been sent to London to sign 2 players (who happened to be Reid and Benson), yet PP wasn't officially 'signed' until Monday morning, albeit, he did agree to sign on Saturday...! . Oh hang on, he agreed to sign on Saturday (according to the T&A on that day)? So how come Archie Christie was down in London the day before trying to tie up deals for two of Parkinson's targets? . So was Reid Parkinson's first signing or not? It appears he was approached BEFORE his manager, or was this more poor journalism by the T&A. Surprised you never mentioned this in your retorts to Macca69 and Dann...!

Jacko pay-off. Archie signing. Parky signing. Archie pay-off. Simple!

The proof is in the T&A article's above that Waynus found, that I also remember reading at the time.

I heard PP has already offered Atkinson a 2 year deal!!!!!
Wellif this is true lets hope he turns his game around like Luke oliver did last season!!!

In Parkie we trust!!!!!!!!!!!!

tyker2 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

And if we did sign Davies out of the budget we had for Bully, Williams and Brano, what happens if he or Oliver pick up an injury/suspension? We won't have any cover because we would have blown it all on 1 player.

I don't think PP will only have two people who can play centre back by the time next season starts do you?.

It's not just the money side I'm viewing this from it's also the fact that he is getting shut of the equivalent of 3 CB's -4 if Davies doesn't sign! So what is he then going to do? It appears to me to be more of a positive towards Davies becoming a City player than not when looking at the offload list. If we had been keeping Branston or Williams then I would have said there was a lesser chance of Davies signing. And of course I don't think it's as simplistic as simply saying that 3 CB's going is going to be the equivalent in wages to what Davies is offered! It doesn't work like that in the real world. The wages and cost savings of ALL the 'efficiency' decisions along with ticket sales and the savings on not having to pay the high rents for the office block. (Has the office block been sold by Lawn and the Rhodes' or is it just a rumour?)

definitely sold off to acharity to run a scho;;:Wayne Jacobs' charitable fund.

Done deal several months ago but, for some reason, never fully reorted in the t and a . ticket office likley to mobe now to Sunwin and the shop elsewhere in the ground bu just where I do not know. I have spoken to one of the charity's leaders about the independent school's aim. Mamagement and sport related management for kids within a two/three mile radius. One assmes the intake will, using these conditions, be largely Asian as that is the predominant race in the area. Please please let us have no ethnicity argument here.

Thanks for that info tyker.

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

eckybantam wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

your having a laugh we had no intentions of signing benson yet another lawn publicity stunt .reid is overated for me yes hes fast but thats all,davies is hardly a player within our budget so should be decent wells,syers,compton not his choice ,look at the dross hes signed now there you have a much longer list pp has no clue.

T@A, Monday 29th of August 2011:

'City are in talks to sign Charlton’s former Dagenham striker Paul Benson after the Londoners accepted their bid, which is understood to be a lot lower than the reported £150,000 buy-out figure.

They are also hopeful of snapping up winger Kyel Reid, who is a free agent since leaving The Valley in the summer'.

And unless you were in a coma for most of this season you will have read about the ongoing 'on-off' negotiations and the advice against spending a large sum on Benson due to his 'knee problems' from Steve Bollen:
•Fellow of the British Orthopaedic Association
•Founder Member of the British Orthopaedic Sports Trauma Association
•Member of the British Association of Sports Medicine
•Member of the British Association for Surgery of the Knee
•Fellow of the Faculty of Sports and Exercise Medicine (UK).

Of course you may be correct, it could all have just been a complex and very public conspiracy, all done in order to support 'another Lawn publicity stunt'. (Rolls eyes!)

I'm pleased to see you have been reading the archives again Lonnie. Did you manage to find the articles on who and when we approached the likes of Reid and Benson.
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In case you missed them (accidentally of course), I will help you.
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Late on the afternoon of Thursday 25 August, we were told that Jacko had unexpectedly walked from his position as manager. The following morning, Lawn was quoted as saying they had a 3 man wishlist and weren't looking for any other applicants. He added that he was HOPING to speak to those 3 IF they were interested in speaking to City.
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Archie Christie was down in London on Friday 26 August as reported in the following Saturday's T&A. Funny how we later found out that Christie had been sent to London to sign 2 players (who happened to be Reid and Benson), yet PP wasn't officially 'signed' until Monday morning, albeit, he did agree to sign on Saturday...!
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Oh hang on, he agreed to sign on Saturday (according to the T&A on that day)? So how come Archie Christie was down in London the day before trying to tie up deals for two of Parkinson's targets?
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So was Reid Parkinson's first signing or not? It appears he was approached BEFORE his manager, or was this more poor journalism by the T&A. Surprised you never mentioned this in your retorts to Macca69 and Dann...!

I didn't 'mention this in my retorts to macca69 and dann' because I was not aware of it. However, if you can provide the details from the article that confirms Christie was signing -I don't know why you don't- then we can all read this and be sure you have not made a mistake and read into it what isn't there. 1) Does the article name Reid and Benson that Christie is speaking too? 2) Was Christie carrying out PP's orders on the basis that an agreement to take the managers job had been agreed by PP and he would actually sign the contract the following day or so?

If Reid and Benson were not PP's targets but Christie's, then we would have to assume that Christie had control of player budgets, who was signing and who was leaving, and one would also expect him to decide who was picked to play in the first team and who wasn't. Otherwise what would be the point of him having the power to decide who signs and who doesn't?

And if this was the case then we would have to assume that PP signed as manager knowing that Christie was the man who was really going to be in charge. And of course the fact that Reid AND Benson were players who were previously managed by PP was just a coincidence as regards Christie's choice of who to try sign?

Did Christie also have control of who Jacko signed? I believe Christie was credited with spotting and recommending Mitchell and Stewart -but that is different to having the power to sign them. Or was he just given the authority to sign players during the time that Colin Cooper was in temporary charge?

What do you believe waynus? Have I got this scenario completely wrong? Would you like to explain how you read this situation? Are you implying Christie was the man who was really in charge of who came into the Club?

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

eckybantam wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

your having a laugh we had no intentions of signing benson yet another lawn publicity stunt .reid is overated for me yes hes fast but thats all,davies is hardly a player within our budget so should be decent wells,syers,compton not his choice ,look at the dross hes signed now there you have a much longer list pp has no clue.

T@A, Monday 29th of August 2011:

'City are in talks to sign Charlton’s former Dagenham striker Paul Benson after the Londoners accepted their bid, which is understood to be a lot lower than the reported £150,000 buy-out figure.

They are also hopeful of snapping up winger Kyel Reid, who is a free agent since leaving The Valley in the summer'.

And unless you were in a coma for most of this season you will have read about the ongoing 'on-off' negotiations and the advice against spending a large sum on Benson due to his 'knee problems' from Steve Bollen:
•Fellow of the British Orthopaedic Association
•Founder Member of the British Orthopaedic Sports Trauma Association
•Member of the British Association of Sports Medicine
•Member of the British Association for Surgery of the Knee
•Fellow of the Faculty of Sports and Exercise Medicine (UK).

Of course you may be correct, it could all have just been a complex and very public conspiracy, all done in order to support 'another Lawn publicity stunt'. (Rolls eyes!)

I'm pleased to see you have been reading the archives again Lonnie. Did you manage to find the articles on who and when we approached the likes of Reid and Benson.
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In case you missed them (accidentally of course), I will help you.
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Late on the afternoon of Thursday 25 August, we were told that Jacko had unexpectedly walked from his position as manager. The following morning, Lawn was quoted as saying they had a 3 man wishlist and weren't looking for any other applicants. He added that he was HOPING to speak to those 3 IF they were interested in speaking to City.
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Archie Christie was down in London on Friday 26 August as reported in the following Saturday's T&A. Funny how we later found out that Christie had been sent to London to sign 2 players (who happened to be Reid and Benson), yet PP wasn't officially 'signed' until Monday morning, albeit, he did agree to sign on Saturday...!
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Oh hang on, he agreed to sign on Saturday (according to the T&A on that day)? So how come Archie Christie was down in London the day before trying to tie up deals for two of Parkinson's targets?
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So was Reid Parkinson's first signing or not? It appears he was approached BEFORE his manager, or was this more poor journalism by the T&A. Surprised you never mentioned this in your retorts to Macca69 and Dann...!

I didn't 'mention this in my retorts to macca69 and dann' because I was not aware of it. However, if you can provide the details from the article that confirms Christie was signing -I don't know why you don't- then we can all read this and be sure you have not made a mistake and read into it what isn't there. 1) Does the article name Reid and Benson that Christie is speaking too? 2) Was Christie carrying out PP's orders on the basis that an agreement to take the managers job had been agreed by PP and he would actually sign the contract the following day or so?

If Reid and Benson were not PP's targets but Christie's, then we would have to assume that Christie had control of player budgets, who was signing and who was leaving, and one would also expect him to decide who was picked to play in the first team and who wasn't. Otherwise what would be the point of him having the power to decide who signs and who doesn't?

And if this was the case then we would have to assume that PP signed as manager knowing that Christie was the man who was really going to be in charge. And of course the fact that Reid AND Benson were players who were previously managed by PP was just a coincidence as regards Christie's choice of who to try sign?

Did Christie also have control of who Jacko signed? I believe Christie was credited with spotting and recommending Mitchell and Stewart -but that is different to having the power to sign them. Or was he just given the authority to sign players during the time that Colin Cooper was in temporary charge?

What do you believe waynus? Have I got this scenario completely wrong? Would you like to explain how you read this situation? Are you implying Christie was the man who was really in charge of who came into the Club?

Lonnie, I'm not "implying" anything. I was asked when it first came to light that Christie was speaking to the players and when PP was then "approached".
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For the record, NO the article doesn't name the players. It just says that the club were shocked by Jacko's exit and that they had drawn up a list of 3 people they wanted to speak to. At the bottom, in a footnote, it mentions that Christie was in London hoping to tie up deals for 2 new players. The following day, Reid signed and then PP was confirmed as the new boss.
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My own view is that Reid was PP's target as soon as we approached him to take over. My concern with that is the speed in which all this happened. At tea-time on the Thursday, Jacko attended an"impromptu" board-meeting in which he tended his resignation. This was accepted.
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The following morning's T&A quoted Lawn as saying the board had drawn up a list of 3 and weren't looking for any other applicants. It stated we were hoping to speak to the 3 men if they were interested in speaking to us. Later that morning, Radio Leeds confirmed Christie had gone to London to speak to a couple of possible new signings. This was confirmed by Parker in his story the following morning, when he confirmed AC had been down in London on the Friday.
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Just before kick-off, PP was announced as the new boss and he officially signed the following Monday morning. The T&A reported his arrival and hours later confirmed that Reid had agreed to join him (he being one of the 2 that Christie had travelled to London to speak to). We later found out that the other was Benson.
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So, if Christie was acting for Parkinson, as I believe he was, and Christie travelled to London early on Friday morning, when exactly did PP agree to join City? Thursday evening, within minutes of Jacko's departure????
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One final point on this debate, for every decent signing made by PP so far, I can name 2 poor ones. Overall his player recruitment has been poor. Here's hoping there is much better to follow.

Whoever PP brings in he will always get stick from the Idiots who wouldn't know what a good manager is supposed to be like.
I hope they give him a chance at least while Christmas to see what he can do.

eebygum wrote:
Whoever PP brings in he will always get stick from the Idiots who wouldn't know what a good manager is supposed to be like. I hope they give him a chance at least while Christmas to see what he can do.

So, please tell us all what a "good manager is supposed to be like"..!
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In my own opinion, a good manager is supposed to coach players to make them better. He is supposed to employ tactics to help us harder to beat, using the players he has available.
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I agree he has made us harder to beat, so his coaching is obviously working in that respect. However, the fact he has binned players without giving them a fair run (Stewart, Branston, Mitchell, Williams and in particular the young lads, Rowe, Stephenson, Burns etc) suggests he hasn't improved these players in any way. Isn't this the MAIN aim of any manager/coach?

eebygum wrote:
Whoever PP brings in he will always get stick from the Idiots who wouldn't know what a good manager is supposed to be like. I hope they give him a chance at least while Christmas to see what he can do.

I am pleased you think PP is a good manager, and i do hope he proves it next season.
IMO he didn't last season:
Used 44 players.
Won less points than the previous season.
Lost more home matches than the previous season.
Lost more away matches than the previous season.
Had a tendancy to throw his rattle out of the pram on numerous occasions.
On that basis alone i am yet to be convinced.
HOWEVER by far the biggest plus last season was the continuing massive support by the fans - wouldn't it be nice for the joint chairmen and manager to publicly state " we will try even harder next year and wish to apologize for yet another poor season and last but not least a big thank you to all the fans for continuing support through a difficult season"
????????????????????
??????

340stopper wrote:

eebygum wrote:
Whoever PP brings in he will always get stick from the Idiots who wouldn't know what a good manager is supposed to be like. I hope they give him a chance at least while Christmas to see what he can do.

I am pleased you think PP is a good manager, and i do hope he proves it next season.
IMO he didn't last season:
Used 44 players.
Won less points than the previous season.
Lost more home matches than the previous season.
Lost more away matches than the previous season.
Had a tendancy to throw his rattle out of the pram on numerous occasions.
On that basis alone i am yet to be convinced.
HOWEVER by far the biggest plus last season was the continuing massive support by the fans - wouldn't it be nice for the joint chairmen and manager to publicly state " we will try even harder next year and wish to apologize for yet another poor season and last but not least a big thank you to all the fans for continuing support through a difficult season"
????????????????????

??????

Are you including the games that Jacko was actually in charge for??????

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

eckybantam wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

macca1969 wrote:
No surprise really. PP wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over him!

Reid?; Oliver?; Davies?; Ramsden?; Wells?; Syers? and of course Compton have, or are, being offered the opportunity to take up a contract with City -not to mention other players such as Benson who he tried to sign. I would class these players as 'decent', certainly for league 2 standards.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we signed Davies considering Bully, Branston and Williams are on the way out.

your having a laugh we had no intentions of signing benson yet another lawn publicity stunt .reid is overated for me yes hes fast but thats all,davies is hardly a player within our budget so should be decent wells,syers,compton not his choice ,look at the dross hes signed now there you have a much longer list pp has no clue.

T@A, Monday 29th of August 2011:

'City are in talks to sign Charlton’s former Dagenham striker Paul Benson after the Londoners accepted their bid, which is understood to be a lot lower than the reported £150,000 buy-out figure.

They are also hopeful of snapping up winger Kyel Reid, who is a free agent since leaving The Valley in the summer'.

And unless you were in a coma for most of this season you will have read about the ongoing 'on-off' negotiations and the advice against spending a large sum on Benson due to his 'knee problems' from Steve Bollen:
•Fellow of the British Orthopaedic Association
•Founder Member of the British Orthopaedic Sports Trauma Association
•Member of the British Association of Sports Medicine
•Member of the British Association for Surgery of the Knee
•Fellow of the Faculty of Sports and Exercise Medicine (UK).

Of course you may be correct, it could all have just been a complex and very public conspiracy, all done in order to support 'another Lawn publicity stunt'. (Rolls eyes!)

I'm pleased to see you have been reading the archives again Lonnie. Did you manage to find the articles on who and when we approached the likes of Reid and Benson.
.
In case you missed them (accidentally of course), I will help you.
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Late on the afternoon of Thursday 25 August, we were told that Jacko had unexpectedly walked from his position as manager. The following morning, Lawn was quoted as saying they had a 3 man wishlist and weren't looking for any other applicants. He added that he was HOPING to speak to those 3 IF they were interested in speaking to City.
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Archie Christie was down in London on Friday 26 August as reported in the following Saturday's T&A. Funny how we later found out that Christie had been sent to London to sign 2 players (who happened to be Reid and Benson), yet PP wasn't officially 'signed' until Monday morning, albeit, he did agree to sign on Saturday...!
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Oh hang on, he agreed to sign on Saturday (according to the T&A on that day)? So how come Archie Christie was down in London the day before trying to tie up deals for two of Parkinson's targets?
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So was Reid Parkinson's first signing or not? It appears he was approached BEFORE his manager, or was this more poor journalism by the T&A. Surprised you never mentioned this in your retorts to Macca69 and Dann...!

I didn't 'mention this in my retorts to macca69 and dann' because I was not aware of it. However, if you can provide the details from the article that confirms Christie was signing -I don't know why you don't- then we can all read this and be sure you have not made a mistake and read into it what isn't there. 1) Does the article name Reid and Benson that Christie is speaking too? 2) Was Christie carrying out PP's orders on the basis that an agreement to take the managers job had been agreed by PP and he would actually sign the contract the following day or so?

If Reid and Benson were not PP's targets but Christie's, then we would have to assume that Christie had control of player budgets, who was signing and who was leaving, and one would also expect him to decide who was picked to play in the first team and who wasn't. Otherwise what would be the point of him having the power to decide who signs and who doesn't?

And if this was the case then we would have to assume that PP signed as manager knowing that Christie was the man who was really going to be in charge. And of course the fact that Reid AND Benson were players who were previously managed by PP was just a coincidence as regards Christie's choice of who to try sign?

Did Christie also have control of who Jacko signed? I believe Christie was credited with spotting and recommending Mitchell and Stewart -but that is different to having the power to sign them. Or was he just given the authority to sign players during the time that Colin Cooper was in temporary charge?

What do you believe waynus? Have I got this scenario completely wrong? Would you like to explain how you read this situation? Are you implying Christie was the man who was really in charge of who came into the Club?

Lonnie, I'm not "implying" anything. I was asked when it first came to light that Christie was speaking to the players and when PP was then "approached".
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For the record, NO the article doesn't name the players. It just says that the club were shocked by Jacko's exit and that they had drawn up a list of 3 people they wanted to speak to. At the bottom, in a footnote, it mentions that Christie was in London hoping to tie up deals for 2 new players. The following day, Reid signed and then PP was confirmed as the new boss.
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My own view is that Reid was PP's target as soon as we approached him to take over. My concern with that is the speed in which all this happened. At tea-time on the Thursday, Jacko attended an"impromptu" board-meeting in which he tended his resignation. This was accepted.
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The following morning's T&A quoted Lawn as saying the board had drawn up a list of 3 and weren't looking for any other applicants. It stated we were hoping to speak to the 3 men if they were interested in speaking to us. Later that morning, Radio Leeds confirmed Christie had gone to London to speak to a couple of possible new signings. This was confirmed by Parker in his story the following morning, when he confirmed AC had been down in London on the Friday.
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Just before kick-off, PP was announced as the new boss and he officially signed the following Monday morning. The T&A reported his arrival and hours later confirmed that Reid had agreed to join him (he being one of the 2 that Christie had travelled to London to speak to). We later found out that the other was Benson.
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So, if Christie was acting for Parkinson, as I believe he was, and Christie travelled to London early on Friday morning, when exactly did PP agree to join City? Thursday evening, within minutes of Jacko's departure????
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One final point on this debate, for every decent signing made by PP so far, I can name 2 poor ones. Overall his player recruitment has been poor. Here's hoping there is much better to follow.

Waynus, my post was about whether PP SHOULD be credited with bringing Reid to City, not whether PP accepted the job on a particular day or officially signed as manager on a Sat, Sun, Monday or any day and I wasn't arguing about whether PP had been approched 10hrs after Jacko left or 2 mins after he left either.

This discussion was about macca claiming that PP could not claim credit for Reid signing for City and eckybantam claiming there was no intention to try to sign Benson but that it was simply a publicity stunt by Lawn, correct?

But you directed a response post at me, not at macca's claim and not at eckybantam's claim, but at me in which -in the context of what had been discussed in the previous posts- it is apparent you were supporting macca's claim as opposed to mine by stating: 'So was Reid Parkinson's first signing or not? It appears he was approached BEFORE his manager, or was this more poor journalism by the T&A. Surprised you never mentioned this in your retorts to Macca69 and Dann...!'

But then -in your latest post- actually get around to agreeing with the opinion I posted in response to macca in the first place by stating: 'So, if Christie was acting for Parkinson, as I believe he was'. Ah right, so, why did you 'challenge' my post to macca if you say you agreed with my point of view anyway?

lonniejockstrap wrote:

340stopper wrote:

eebygum wrote: Whoever PP brings in he will always get stick from the Idiots who wouldn't know what a good manager is supposed to be like. I hope they give him a chance at least while Christmas to see what he can do.

I am pleased you think PP is a good manager, and i do hope he proves it next season. IMO he didn't last season: Used 44 players. Won less points than the previous season. Lost more home matches than the previous season. Lost more away matches than the previous season. Had a tendancy to throw his rattle out of the pram on numerous occasions. On that basis alone i am yet to be convinced. HOWEVER by far the biggest plus last season was the continuing massive support by the fans - wouldn't it be nice for the joint chairmen and manager to publicly state " we will try even harder next year and wish to apologize for yet another poor season and last but not least a big thank you to all the fans for continuing support through a difficult season" ???????????????????? ??????

Are you including the games that Jacko was actually in charge for??????

Fair comment, but still not convinced PP is the answer.
Again it would be encouraging if the Board would publicly thank all the loyal supporters for there efforts again this season.
No fans - no club.

340stopper wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

340stopper wrote:

eebygum wrote: Whoever PP brings in he will always get stick from the Idiots who wouldn't know what a good manager is supposed to be like. I hope they give him a chance at least while Christmas to see what he can do.

I am pleased you think PP is a good manager, and i do hope he proves it next season. IMO he didn't last season: Used 44 players. Won less points than the previous season. Lost more home matches than the previous season. Lost more away matches than the previous season. Had a tendancy to throw his rattle out of the pram on numerous occasions. On that basis alone i am yet to be convinced. HOWEVER by far the biggest plus last season was the continuing massive support by the fans - wouldn't it be nice for the joint chairmen and manager to publicly state " we will try even harder next year and wish to apologize for yet another poor season and last but not least a big thank you to all the fans for continuing support through a difficult season" ???????????????????? ??????

Are you including the games that Jacko was actually in charge for??????

Fair comment, but still not convinced PP is the answer.
Again it would be encouraging if the Board would publicly thank all the loyal supporters for there efforts again this season.
No fans - no club.

PP had to go into the loan market because he was stuck with players he was left from previous managers and the budget or the transfer window would not permit.
You must admit the majority of players PP brought in were usually good additions. If not I am afraid it is no point in this fruitless post as you seem hell bent on PP out vendetta. PP used Nahki Wells where Jacko didn't and he improved performances of Oliver and Hanson. Jones and Ravenhill are quality players who will do well at a higher level than this. Why do we keep going backwards with comments surely as football fans we are an optimistic bunch by nature? I used to get called a dreamer when I said I would love to see City win at Wembley but it came true so keep the dream alive and get behind PP and the team. C.T.I.D