‘Quitting Odsal for Valley Parade simply has to happen’, says MP (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?

caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams.

Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!

Tim the Mage wrote:
Why don't Bradford City play at Odsal and leave Gibb with his debt.

Makes as much sense as David Ward's suggestion.

We are reaping the results of the last Labour government calling in a refusing the Sterling Capital/Tesco redevelopment. Amazing that when the City had 5 Labour MPs they couldn't get it through!

prince35 wrote:
It's never going to happen.
I think the council should now help in buying valley parade from Mr gibb.
Look the bulls and bradford cty are the biggest liesure activities in this city.
Going forward I'm sure it could be archived if the people involved got roynd the table and were prepared to give way on certain issues.
Yes there maybe issues with the pitch being not up to standard for the football that needs to be played.
Is the pitch big enough for proffesional rugby to be played?
At least look into the idea before dismissing it completely.
Both clubs deserve to be on better financial positions.
Seems Mr parkins idea to merge both cty and the bulls wasn't far off the mark????.
Watch this space

silverbantam wrote:

prince35 wrote:
It's never going to happen.
I think the council should now help in buying valley parade from Mr gibb.
Look the bulls and bradford cty are the biggest liesure activities in this city.
Going forward I'm sure it could be archived if the people involved got roynd the table and were prepared to give way on certain issues.
Yes there maybe issues with the pitch being not up to standard for the football that needs to be played.
Is the pitch big enough for proffesional rugby to be played?
At least look into the idea before dismissing it completely.
Both clubs deserve to be on better financial positions.
Seems Mr parkins idea to merge both cty and the bulls wasn't far off the mark????.
Watch this space

And what is your guide dog called ?

Marco Polio wrote:
To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.

Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.

claytonbantam wrote:
And also city are not the ones with the massive debts appealing to anybody and everybody to part with their cash. As horrible as it sounds it makes me laugh at all the bulls fans laughing at us when moving to odsal was a possibility at the end of last season. I personally would not want them down here during the football season especially if we have a successful season and then the pitch is ruined

Adeybull wrote:
Attention-seeking otherwise-invisible politician in "jumping on bandwagon if can sense any political advantage" shocker.
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Do people really expect anything else? At least this guy puts forward reasoned - if perhaps flawed - arguments, unlike the dishonourable member for Bradford South.

caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams.

Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!

Mick Gledhill wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.

I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.

Laney1989 wrote:

caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams.

Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!

10,000 Bradford City supporters manage to get away to and from the ground with ease every other week?!
Any other excuses you'd like to come up with?

Mick Gledhill wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.

I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.

graham smith wrote:
A large stadium in a city centre causes major problems for supporters.
Access to parking is limited and also the clash of shoppers and supporters will always be an issue, the policing of games will also become a cost to the city and ultimately the clubs.
The road systems around city’s ground are inadequate witch will also cause a problem for supporters and other users of the city centre.
We know this from the 2 seasons we spent at Valley Parade.
I feel that it’s time that ALL of Bradford’s politicians sat down and got the 2 club’s together to take us all forward to sustain sport in the city for another 100 years, after all if anyone thinks that sport is irrelevant look at what is happening in London this year.
COM’ON YOU BULLS

Mumby was the best wrote:

Mick Gledhill wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.

I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.

It`s obvious that both clubs are tied down by leases they would find extremely costly to get out of, this MP is only try to raise his profile.
Maybe in a perfect world both clubs could get out of the leases and join together and build a perfect dual purpose stadium like Hulls, Huddersfields and Wigans

caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!

Freddy wrote:
At the moment "The Bulls" are not playing well. Perhaps it is just a poor Season. But I wonder what could happen if their fortunes became worse,as could Citys'.

helloodsal wrote:

caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!

since when does odsal have better transport links than valley parade? fair enough its next to the motorway but valley parade has a train link, numerous bus links to the city centre and its sandwiched between two main roads in and out of the city.

Laney1989 wrote:

Mick Gledhill wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.

I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.

Errrr...Because our ground isn't falling to pieces Mick?!

Whatever the financial position of BCAFC this has got nothing to do with Bradford Bulls moving to VP.

I know it's hard for the "old-guard" to understand but Odsal isn't going to get any better, it's going to get worse. Even you must agree with this.

Bloody hell even Wakefield's ground is nearly on a par with Odsal who'd of thought that a few years ago?

FAO BirkyBull - Keep your racists comments elsewhere please.
I know it's hard to get through to your thick skull but VP IS the only way forward.
If you've actually bothered to listen to what has been said in the past instead of "jumping on the bandwagon" you'd know that if Bradford Bulls were to move to VP steps would be put in place to make sure that the VP is big enough for RL use.
This includes taking out the front rows of the Kop.
Take your ignorance elsewhere moron.

Laney1989 wrote:

Mick Gledhill wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.

I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.

Errrr...Because our ground isn't falling to pieces Mick?!

Whatever the financial position of BCAFC this has got nothing to do with Bradford Bulls moving to VP.

I know it's hard for the "old-guard" to understand but Odsal isn't going to get any better, it's going to get worse. Even you must agree with this.

Bloody hell even Wakefield's ground is nearly on a par with Odsal who'd of thought that a few years ago?

FAO BirkyBull - Keep your racists comments elsewhere please.
I know it's hard to get through to your thick skull but VP IS the only way forward.
If you've actually bothered to listen to what has been said in the past instead of "jumping on the bandwagon" you'd know that if Bradford Bulls were to move to VP steps would be put in place to make sure that the VP is big enough for RL use.
This includes taking out the front rows of the Kop.
Take your ignorance elsewhere moron.

Mick Gledhill wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.

I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.

Mick Gledhill wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:

caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams.

Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!

10,000 Bradford City supporters manage to get away to and from the ground with ease every other week?!
Any other excuses you'd like to come up with?

You fail to mention the needless criminal damage caused by the locals to Bradford Bulls and opposition supporters vehicles.

caledonia15 wrote:
Sorry its not for me, i spent 2 seasons at V.P. watching the Bulls wondering if my car had been damaged every time i went there. After every game i saw cars damaged, to me that area is becoming a No-Go area at night. Its quite simple, if the Bulls go there, i won't be.

KangleFat wrote:
I wouldn't mind having a look at the rental figures and other overhead costs for running the stadiums which both clubs have obviously disclosed to him so that he could make his fact based opinions known.

caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams.

Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!

Sheffieldbull wrote:
It may be worth reminding ourselves that these wonderful views of ground sharing in glorious harmony could never happen due mainly to the fact that both clubs have substantial lease agreements for the considerable future. Both sets of supporters have loyalties to they respective 'homes' - both with very understandable reasons so lets leave the 'peeing competitions' for another times - Trophy counting competitions would be more interesting anyway ;-).
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Get behind both clubs, turn out in numbers, and help both to prosper now and in the future.

Freddy wrote:
At the moment "The Bulls" are not playing well. Perhaps it is just a poor Season. But I wonder what could happen if their fortunes became worse,as could Citys'.

prince35 wrote:

silverbantam wrote:

prince35 wrote:
It's never going to happen.
I think the council should now help in buying valley parade from Mr gibb.
Look the bulls and bradford cty are the biggest liesure activities in this city.
Going forward I'm sure it could be archived if the people involved got roynd the table and were prepared to give way on certain issues.
Yes there maybe issues with the pitch being not up to standard for the football that needs to be played.
Is the pitch big enough for proffesional rugby to be played?
At least look into the idea before dismissing it completely.
Both clubs deserve to be on better financial positions.
Seems Mr parkins idea to merge both cty and the bulls wasn't far off the mark????.
Watch this space

And what is your guide dog called ?

How do you mean?
I've given my oppinion as a,season tkt holder at bradford cty.
At least if you don't agree , come on and give me a reason why?
Instead of talking in riddles?

barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?

graham smith wrote:
A large stadium in a city centre causes major problems for supporters. Access to parking is limited and also the clash of shoppers and supporters will always be an issue, the policing of games will also become a cost to the city and ultimately the clubs. The road systems around city’s ground are inadequate witch will also cause a problem for supporters and other users of the city centre. We know this from the 2 seasons we spent at Valley Parade. I feel that it’s time that ALL of Bradford’s politicians sat down and got the 2 club’s together to take us all forward to sustain sport in the city for another 100 years, after all if anyone thinks that sport is irrelevant look at what is happening in London this year. COM’ON YOU BULLS

Adeybull wrote:

Marco Polio wrote:
To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.

And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes.
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So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.

AdeyG'man wrote:

Adeybull wrote:

Marco Polio wrote:
To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.

And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes.
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So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.

Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent.
So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie!

Laney1989 wrote:
Criticism which was rightly put forward as well after what the Council has done to help the Bulls out in the past.

AdeyG'man wrote:

AdeyG'man wrote:

Adeybull wrote:

Marco Polio wrote:
To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.

And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes.
.
So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.

Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent.
So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie!

And if you want proof, just look at the likes of Huddersfield (with Cinemas, Bars and shops all around it) and Wigan (they build the stadium and it's bang next to a retail park...all thriving!)
Where is the nearest shop or thriving business to either VP or Odsal! Certainly not within spitting distance!

Farsley Bantam wrote:

AdeyG'man wrote:

AdeyG'man wrote:

Adeybull wrote:

Marco Polio wrote:
To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.

And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes.
.
So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.

Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent.
So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie!

And if you want proof, just look at the likes of Huddersfield (with Cinemas, Bars and shops all around it) and Wigan (they build the stadium and it's bang next to a retail park...all thriving!)
Where is the nearest shop or thriving business to either VP or Odsal! Certainly not within spitting distance!

Foster Square Retail Park is a 5 minute walk from VP and is thriving. You could probably spit from VP on a windy day and hit Next

Farsley Bantam wrote:

AdeyG'man wrote:

AdeyG'man wrote:

Adeybull wrote:

Marco Polio wrote:
To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.

And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes.
.
So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.

Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent.
So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie!

And if you want proof, just look at the likes of Huddersfield (with Cinemas, Bars and shops all around it) and Wigan (they build the stadium and it's bang next to a retail park...all thriving!)
Where is the nearest shop or thriving business to either VP or Odsal! Certainly not within spitting distance!

Foster Square Retail Park is a 5 minute walk from VP and is thriving. You could probably spit from VP on a windy day and hit Next

AdeyG'man wrote:

AdeyG'man wrote:

Adeybull wrote:

Marco Polio wrote:
To those saying City should move to Odsal. They can't get out of their leash on VP, so the only option is for Bulls to move to VP. Also the land Odsal stands on is better for development, with its transport links etc. so wouldn't be a total money waste for RFL.

And the Bulls are party to a long lease with the RFL (was the Council), that THEY can't get out of. AND they have to pay well over £1m back to the council if they ever DO leave Odsal. And the RFL is bound by similar terms to those the Bulls were - they cannot just develop the site for non-RL purposes.
.
So, it is NOT the only option. BOTH clubs are constrained in what course of action are open to them.

Exactly. And the plans for Odsal have been to Bradford Council more times than anyone dare to count. If the Council had pulled their head out of their backsides years ago, the stadium would be built, the businesses in the area would be thriving, there'd be additional shopping and sports facilities and the Bulls would have been financially independent.
So you have to see the irony that an MP is calling for the Bulls to move. As I said before, when Gerry Sutcliffe opened his trap...these MP's only crawl out of the woodwork when it suits them. Has this dude ever been to a game let alone spent the best part of 20 years supporting either club? This whole article is a joke to spark up the age old arguement...bottom line, the Bantams have a lease, the Bulls have a lease...let sleeping dogs lie!

And if you want proof, just look at the likes of Huddersfield (with Cinemas, Bars and shops all around it) and Wigan (they build the stadium and it's bang next to a retail park...all thriving!)
Where is the nearest shop or thriving business to either VP or Odsal! Certainly not within spitting distance!

theviking62 wrote:
See it's lowered itself to name calling now. Time you all stopped posting on subject and put it too bed. Tribal loyalties, bulls/city, are very evident.

blacksheep wrote:
Absolutely amazes me why some Bulls fans are so against a move to VP.

If it's not possible for financial reasons/constraints then fair enough. But i have a family member who has been a bulls fan for 40 years and they actually said these words:

"I'd sooner see the Bulls go bust than play at Valley Parade, there isn't even decent parking!"

Bye then!

Laney1989 wrote:

caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams.

Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!

10,000 Bradford City supporters manage to get away to and from the ground with ease every other week?!
Any other excuses you'd like to come up with?

theviking62 wrote:
Murphys'law, read the previous posts, both clubs tided into long leases thatbcan't be broken. Plus city only want someone to share the rent. Who, may ask, will force the bulls hand.

Hudzilla wrote:
Why are there still debates ongoing???

THE RFL OWN ODSAL. HOW STUPUD WOULD IT LOOK IF THE BULLS MOVED FROM AN RFL OWNED STADIA TO VP?!?!?!

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. MOVE ON.

murphyslaw wrote:

Hudzilla wrote:
Why are there still debates ongoing???

THE RFL OWN ODSAL. HOW STUPUD WOULD IT LOOK IF THE BULLS MOVED FROM AN RFL OWNED STADIA TO VP?!?!?!

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. MOVE ON.

How stupid would it be of the RFL to continue allowing Bulls to occupy Odsal if they can't afford the lease? The Bulls may have no option but to go cap in hand to the owners of VP but as they are losing 200K per month (Hoods figures) there is no guarantee anyone will want them. Who knows what's going to happen?

prince35 wrote:

Tim the Mage wrote:
Why don't Bradford City play at Odsal and leave Gibb with his debt.

Makes as much sense as David Ward's suggestion.

We are reaping the results of the last Labour government calling in a refusing the Sterling Capital/Tesco redevelopment. Amazing that when the City had 5 Labour MPs they couldn't get it through!

Bradford cty had the fire and I really don't blame the club or fans that would want to stay at vp.
There's more of an emotional attachment for the bradford fans and board.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Plus my posts are always factually correct, not guessed, and certainly not guessed by the colour of someone's skin. I really have no need to defend myself against a set of knuckle-dragging racists who jump to defend a bigoted idiot. When you have reasonable retorts and responses to the debate in question please post, if you are wanting to run down VP and surrounding areas then hold your tongues. The majority of the posts so far are laughable at best and reactionary at best. Myself included I'm afraid. Personally I would rather NOT have the Bulls at VP, the decision isn't mine or yours ultimately so whatever outcome, if it be you end up at VP then I'd readjust your ideas on our club and the local residents.

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.

Prisoner, stick to what you think you know about, there's a good chap!

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

Mick Gledhill wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.

I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.

Maybe because we did cover our financial restraint last year by buying back one of the buildings, we aren't the ones that were dug out by the RFL and we haven't just gone to our fans cap in hand and asked for a million quid. And we don't want to play on a rubbish tip with miserbale horrible surrounding stands.

NEXT!

expatbull wrote:
FOR SALE Blinkers for shortsighted city fans who think they are safe from financial ruin....

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.

Prisoner, stick to what you think you know about, there's a good chap!

""If the Bulls stop paying rent to the RFL, who are locked into a lease with the Council, what would the RFL do?"""

So if they didn't remove the Bulls franchise share and expunge their results what would they do? Alllow them to carry on cheating, not live within their means? Enlightenment would be appreciated if I don't have the correct take on what happens when a RL club folds or fails to satisfy it's legal commitments.

This has happened in football previously, BPA being the most notable for this discussion purposes and Maidstone Utd being the most recent to be banished for failure to comply with all necessary aspects of being part of a working league scenario.

If the Bulls cannot cover their expenses, they need to play the kids and lose the pros, as City had to do twice over during our demise in recent years.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.

Prisoner, stick to what you think you know about, there's a good chap!

""If the Bulls stop paying rent to the RFL, who are locked into a lease with the Council, what would the RFL do?"""

So if they didn't remove the Bulls franchise share and expunge their results what would they do? Alllow them to carry on cheating, not live within their means? Enlightenment would be appreciated if I don't have the correct take on what happens when a RL club folds or fails to satisfy it's legal commitments.

This has happened in football previously, BPA being the most notable for this discussion purposes and Maidstone Utd being the most recent to be banished for failure to comply with all necessary aspects of being part of a working league scenario.

If the Bulls cannot cover their expenses, they need to play the kids and lose the pros, as City had to do twice over during our demise in recent years.

thedragonwithonewing wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

Mick Gledhill wrote:

Laney1989 wrote:
"Music to my ears"
Been saying it for years but the stubborn "old-guard" at Odsal will NEVER allow it.

I'm sorry Christopher but why don't the 'stubborn Bradford City supporters' agree to share Odsal?

Valley Parade is simply an financial embarrassment that is slowly but surly eating away at Bradford City.

Maybe because we did cover our financial restraint last year by buying back one of the buildings, we aren't the ones that were dug out by the RFL and we haven't just gone to our fans cap in hand and asked for a million quid. And we don't want to play on a rubbish tip with miserbale horrible surrounding stands.

NEXT!

so bradford city never did collection buckets a few years when city almost went to the wall. Looking at from a non emotional side vp could not expand because of it been hemmed in by roads and houses, odsal is only blocked by rooley ave

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Ban you from the super league franschise and expunge results to date.

Prisoner, stick to what you think you know about, there's a good chap!

""If the Bulls stop paying rent to the RFL, who are locked into a lease with the Council, what would the RFL do?"""

So if they didn't remove the Bulls franchise share and expunge their results what would they do? Alllow them to carry on cheating, not live within their means? Enlightenment would be appreciated if I don't have the correct take on what happens when a RL club folds or fails to satisfy it's legal commitments.

This has happened in football previously, BPA being the most notable for this discussion purposes and Maidstone Utd being the most recent to be banished for failure to comply with all necessary aspects of being part of a working league scenario.

If the Bulls cannot cover their expenses, they need to play the kids and lose the pros, as City had to do twice over during our demise in recent years.

arrh! enlightenment - if only!, stick to insulting people, your crystal ball is only telling you what you think you need to know!

angry bradfordian wrote:

barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?

He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.

A650 wrote:
The Bulls couldn't afford to go to VP even if they wanted to. Ward should know this as the Bulls are contracted by the Council to stay there until 2019 or pay back millions of pounds of compensation.

theviking62 wrote:
Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.

Bulls_chick wrote:
Butt out Ward, keep your nose out of it!

speakeroftruth wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:

barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?

He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.

how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?

Storck wrote:

Bulls_chick wrote:
Butt out Ward, keep your nose out of it!

Why do people keep saying it is nothing to do with Ward? Sutcliffe is always going on about Bulls, is this ok cos Odsal is on his patch? I thought the team was BRADFORD BULLS, not Bradford South(Odsal) Bulls. If it is a Bradford team then Ward has as much right to talk about them as an other Bradford MP.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

speakeroftruth wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:

barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?

He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.

how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?

When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!

Potter for the sack wrote:
A few weeks ago against Leeds there was 20,821 supporters.

silverbantam wrote:
Totally agree but the only way it will work is if the Council buy the ground from Gibb so neither club owns the ground.

speakeroftruth wrote:

Potter for the sack wrote:
A few weeks ago against Leeds there was 20,821 supporters.

I mean how many have city pulled in

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
they haven't recently as well you know, and the only reason you are using that figure is due to the Bulls Leeds match. If the Bulls were playing Bramley in one of the lower leagues they'd be looking at figures under 1k not just under 10k.

Still a moot point. Not relevant, like the bulls in the near future if the club is run further into the ground.

cdorran wrote:
Doesnt Odsal have terraces? City wouldnt be able to move to a ground that have terraces (at least if they have any amition of getting promoted) because football stadiums at league 1 and above have to be all seater dont they? So for city to move to odsal they would need to change it into an all seater which would cost a fair bit wouldnt it? I also have some serious concerns about how the bulls are run, is the money that they are raising just going on paying bills or is it to guarantee the long term future of the club? I think that a ground share is probably for the best and unless Odsal can be developed a bit (which it counldnt given the bulls' money troubles) then VP would have to be the best option

prince35 wrote:
Another issue is there to many ego's at both clubs that wouldnt be prepared to either stand down or share power.
It would need one owner of the bulls and bradford cty with the council owning the stadium and charging an affordable rent.
Then at cty We have people that have invested funds into bradford cty.
They won't go quietly.
Massive finance and business men doing what's right for proffesional sport in this city , would be needed??

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
A better team in a better league achieved by not abiding by the rules, signing better players than they can afford, just cos it's capped doesn't mean you have to use the full allowance. So, yes, they are but by cheating and not covering their liabilities

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
A better team in a better league achieved by not abiding by the rules, signing better players than they can afford, just cos it's capped doesn't mean you have to use the full allowance. So, yes, they are but by cheating and not covering their liabilities

Mumby was the best wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
A better team in a better league achieved by not abiding by the rules, signing better players than they can afford, just cos it's capped doesn't mean you have to use the full allowance. So, yes, they are but by cheating and not covering their liabilities

A bit of pot calling kettle black saying signing players better than they can afford. Correct me but City might not be so far down the football ladder if when they were up there they had not squandered money on the likes of Carbone, Collymore and others who soon had to be got rid of when they dropped out of the premiership.

speakeroftruth wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
they haven't recently as well you know, and the only reason you are using that figure is due to the Bulls Leeds match. If the Bulls were playing Bramley in one of the lower leagues they'd be looking at figures under 1k not just under 10k.

Still a moot point. Not relevant, like the bulls in the near future if the club is run further into the ground.

they are ifs the stark reality is that Bulls are a better team than City in their respective fields.Bulls have higher attendances than City do at the moment.when you go to vp it is flat and not exactly a safe place to leave your car,at odsal you usually get very good atmospheres and it is an easy and accessible venue to visit

raisemeup wrote:
No disrespect to City, but I've been there, done that and dont want to wear the t-shirt again. I found myself dreading every match. Traffic, parking, and the feeling of not belonging... No I wont be going.Female perspective

speakeroftruth wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

speakeroftruth wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:

barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?

He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.

how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?

When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!

My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago
and you have still failed to answer that

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
@mumby, I addressed that point, we couldn't afford to keep the players we had so had to move them on, this had two effects, one we didn't have the same quality so dropped and dropped. Two, some of those players were still being paid years later and this held the club back to the point we dropped further. We now are plying our trade in the 4th division through the fault of not living within our means. We didn't break a cap nor run up to a limit we couldn't afford at the time we did, this was a lack of foresight and no-one took into account that the wages would still be as much if we were relegated, we were and we also then had the collapse of ITV digital and the loss of the promised money which had already been budgeted. The Bulls have gone over their cap more than once and that isn't a lack of foresight, it is cheating trying to get the best and then not covering the other liabilities.

helloodsal wrote:

caribouk wrote:
Surely ground sharing at Odsal would be better? Valley Parade is not the best place to get to and from and has no potential for further development, whereas Odsal has great transport links and could easily be developed to provide additional income streams. Can't see what its got to do with this fella though!

since when does odsal have better transport links than valley parade? fair enough its next to the motorway but valley parade has a train link, numerous bus links to the city centre and its sandwiched between two main roads in and out of the city.

Nickloza wrote:

speakeroftruth wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
they haven't recently as well you know, and the only reason you are using that figure is due to the Bulls Leeds match. If the Bulls were playing Bramley in one of the lower leagues they'd be looking at figures under 1k not just under 10k.

Still a moot point. Not relevant, like the bulls in the near future if the club is run further into the ground.

they are ifs the stark reality is that Bulls are a better team than City in their respective fields.Bulls have higher attendances than City do at the moment.when you go to vp it is flat and not exactly a safe place to leave your car,at odsal you usually get very good atmospheres and it is an easy and accessible venue to visit

Good atmosphere at Odsal? You're having a laugh and as for City not being safe it's absolute boll***s what do base that on? You make it up as you go along there's only one real division in RL and then you can't be relegated so how can you compare the two? The bulls aren't even one of the better sides anymore!

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

theviking62 wrote:
Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.

After the time spent there playing in the aftermath of the fire I would say a resounding no. It is a desolate, open area, odd cambers on the pitch, lacking in atmosphere even back then and we were doing fairly well. Leeds Road and Elland Road were both more suited to our needs and obviously were already set up for football, both on and off the pitch. We were thankful for the use in our time of need but the fact we chose to play out of the city more than we did at Odsal was due to the footballing side of things and not finances.

Jonbantam wrote:

speakeroftruth wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

speakeroftruth wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:

barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?

He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.

how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?

When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!

My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago
and you have still failed to answer that

Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all!

Jonbantam wrote:

speakeroftruth wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

speakeroftruth wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:

barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?

He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.

how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?

When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!

My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago
and you have still failed to answer that

Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all!

Adeybull wrote:

Jonbantam wrote:

speakeroftruth wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

speakeroftruth wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:

barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?

He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.

how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?

When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!

My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago
and you have still failed to answer that

Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all!

Rubbish regarding Bulls gates this season.
.
Every SL game (Catalans, no away following) has been over 10k attendance. All bar one over 11k, and one over 20k. Average just under 13k.
.

theviking62 wrote:
Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.

speakeroftruth wrote:

Nickloza wrote:

speakeroftruth wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
they haven't recently as well you know, and the only reason you are using that figure is due to the Bulls Leeds match. If the Bulls were playing Bramley in one of the lower leagues they'd be looking at figures under 1k not just under 10k.

Still a moot point. Not relevant, like the bulls in the near future if the club is run further into the ground.

they are ifs the stark reality is that Bulls are a better team than City in their respective fields.Bulls have higher attendances than City do at the moment.when you go to vp it is flat and not exactly a safe place to leave your car,at odsal you usually get very good atmospheres and it is an easy and accessible venue to visit

Good atmosphere at Odsal? You're having a laugh and as for City not being safe it's absolute boll***s what do base that on? You make it up as you go along there's only one real division in RL and then you can't be relegated so how can you compare the two? The bulls aren't even one of the better sides anymore!

VP is not situated near a nice place it is situated next to ghetto! and please do tell me how I make it up as I go along and what about the championship? and the atmosphere at odsal is often very good and I base that on being a season ticket holder so I think I know whether or not it has a good atmosphere when I am there every game.

Shelfrhino wrote:
To be fair, both sets of fans should be glad somebody is talking about them, both pretty irrelevant really.

beardedclam wrote:

Adeybull wrote:

Jonbantam wrote:

speakeroftruth wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

speakeroftruth wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:

barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?

He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.

how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?

When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!

My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago
and you have still failed to answer that

Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all!

Rubbish regarding Bulls gates this season.
.
Every SL game (Catalans, no away following) has been over 10k attendance. All bar one over 11k, and one over 20k. Average just under 13k.
.

Back to the actual point of the article, rather than idiots point scoring against each other. If the rents are shared 50/50 and makes the running costs cheaper for both clubs, it's a no brainer. Simple.
Muppets!

Jonbantam wrote:

beardedclam wrote:

Adeybull wrote:

Jonbantam wrote:

speakeroftruth wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

speakeroftruth wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:

barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?

He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.

how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?

When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!

My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago
and you have still failed to answer that

Bradford City have an average attendance of 10026 for this season and a quick look on the Bulls website I wouldn`t be too chirpy as bar 3 games the attendance has been sub 10000. City also had over 17000 this season playing Hereford which is much further away than our nearest and dearest with a huge marketing ploy threatening that it would be the last game. The bigger picture here is a huge concern for Bradfordians following their respective teams because we can all have petty squabbles and throw in parking, travel and I do not have a clue why race should come into any sporting debate in 2012. The facts do not lie Bradford City are not the wealthiest club and the Bulls are sadly at present on their backsides and I am not even a bulls fan but still pledged £100 because I have been to the bulls in the past and enjoyed some great games. The sporting public of Bradford need to stop the petty squabbling and move forward a la Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield etc and ensure sport continues in this City as attendances do not win trophies and until both teams can generate good revenue streams we will both be languishing in the lower parts of our respective leagues. Fan power is impressive as both clubs have been saved in the past by the supporters. Grow up and face facts we may not want to play with each others toys but the future is both clubs sharing the same stadium generate revenue for both and putting Bradford sport back on the map as I would rather watch my team in any ground than not have a team at all!

Rubbish regarding Bulls gates this season.
.
Every SL game (Catalans, no away following) has been over 10k attendance. All bar one over 11k, and one over 20k. Average just under 13k.
.

Back to the actual point of the article, rather than idiots point scoring against each other. If the rents are shared 50/50 and makes the running costs cheaper for both clubs, it's a no brainer. Simple.
Muppets!

Thank You it seems there are only a few intelligent people on this forum with Bradford sport at the forefront of our concerns. I apologise if I got the figures wrong but at beardedclam states cheap hits at one another will get us nowhere. The facts are it is your time to be in the mire at present and if you think abusing City fans will get you anywhere you are deluded. Many City fans including myself would hate to see the Bulls liquidate so maybe you should be more humble and the City of Bradford should come together and move forward because pride is something that the whole Bradford district needs right now and the feel good factor 2 great sports teams would bring.

BigFigure wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote:
To be fair, both sets of fans should be glad somebody is talking about them, both pretty irrelevant really.

Irrelevant? In what way(s)?

Mumby was the best wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
@mumby, I addressed that point, we couldn't afford to keep the players we had so had to move them on, this had two effects, one we didn't have the same quality so dropped and dropped. Two, some of those players were still being paid years later and this held the club back to the point we dropped further. We now are plying our trade in the 4th division through the fault of not living within our means. We didn't break a cap nor run up to a limit we couldn't afford at the time we did, this was a lack of foresight and no-one took into account that the wages would still be as much if we were relegated, we were and we also then had the collapse of ITV digital and the loss of the promised money which had already been budgeted. The Bulls have gone over their cap more than once and that isn't a lack of foresight, it is cheating trying to get the best and then not covering the other liabilities.

But football does not have a cap to exceed! A lot of people believe it should have tho!
Plus like your overspending our cheating was done a while ago with a different chairman who now wants to return. Knowing what you know would you welcome Richmond back with open arms?

Shelfrhino wrote:

BigFigure wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote:
To be fair, both sets of fans should be glad somebody is talking about them, both pretty irrelevant really.

Irrelevant? In what way(s)?

In as much that both teams are skint and neither are going to set the world on fire anytime soon.

birkybull wrote:
Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.

caledonia15 wrote:
Sorry its not for me, i spent 2 seasons at V.P. watching the Bulls wondering if my car had been damaged every time i went there. After every game i saw cars damaged, to me that area is becoming a No-Go area at night. Its quite simple, if the Bulls go there, i won't be.

djmoulson wrote:
Ok, it's been a long time since I've posted on here, not that anyone has missed me!!, it might have been addressed earlier although I don't want to wade through 200+ posts but want to add a few points. We all know that each club wants to stay at their respective grounds for sentimental reasons and others, money, location etc, in an ideal world we'd have a cross city rail link, a new shopping centre with good links to the motorway network and a new stadium fit for both sports plus other uses nearby. We ALL know this won't happen in our lifetimes with the current generation of councillors we have, and their attitude towards 'speculate to accumulate' projects. I am a City fan, but also follow the Bulls but all that aside IF a ground share were to happen then VP is the short term solution only on a development cost perspective, Mark Lawn has already said in the past that it would be easy enough to remove seating from the first few rows of each stand to allow for the official pitch size to play rugby, while they're at it what is the view of the new generation of artificial pitches such as at Widnes? If leases could be settled perhaps our illustrious council could buy VP from the Gibb pension fund, pull out the seats & have an artificial pitch installed, heated to avoid postponements and have it as a community stadium for all of Bradford to use, Bulls, City, Avenue and local teams? Build a footbridge over the railway & make a car park out of the sidings on Valley Road? The other point I wanted to discuss is what is the huge issue about a stadium being near the motorway network when it's only really beneficial to away supporters, which only account for a small percentage of the overall attendances, Galpharm Stadium isn't near the motorway, it's near the centre of Huddersfield, ideally located for the majority of local supporters. Having a stadium on the South of the city really only helps very local supporters and away fans, those in the Aire Valley and beyond don't benefit, it takes me 10 minutes to drive from the M606 to Canal Road and be parked up 5 minutes walk away from VP, and have only seen once in 30 years any form of vandalism to cars parked on match days. It's a short-medium term idea and we all want the best for Bradford as a whole & know how much belief a successful sporting team (or two) brings to the city. CTID COYB

huggy b wrote:

djmoulson wrote:
Ok, it's been a long time since I've posted on here, not that anyone has missed me!!, it might have been addressed earlier although I don't want to wade through 200+ posts but want to add a few points. We all know that each club wants to stay at their respective grounds for sentimental reasons and others, money, location etc, in an ideal world we'd have a cross city rail link, a new shopping centre with good links to the motorway network and a new stadium fit for both sports plus other uses nearby. We ALL know this won't happen in our lifetimes with the current generation of councillors we have, and their attitude towards 'speculate to accumulate' projects. I am a City fan, but also follow the Bulls but all that aside IF a ground share were to happen then VP is the short term solution only on a development cost perspective, Mark Lawn has already said in the past that it would be easy enough to remove seating from the first few rows of each stand to allow for the official pitch size to play rugby, while they're at it what is the view of the new generation of artificial pitches such as at Widnes? If leases could be settled perhaps our illustrious council could buy VP from the Gibb pension fund, pull out the seats & have an artificial pitch installed, heated to avoid postponements and have it as a community stadium for all of Bradford to use, Bulls, City, Avenue and local teams? Build a footbridge over the railway & make a car park out of the sidings on Valley Road? The other point I wanted to discuss is what is the huge issue about a stadium being near the motorway network when it's only really beneficial to away supporters, which only account for a small percentage of the overall attendances, Galpharm Stadium isn't near the motorway, it's near the centre of Huddersfield, ideally located for the majority of local supporters. Having a stadium on the South of the city really only helps very local supporters and away fans, those in the Aire Valley and beyond don't benefit, it takes me 10 minutes to drive from the M606 to Canal Road and be parked up 5 minutes walk away from VP, and have only seen once in 30 years any form of vandalism to cars parked on match days. It's a short-medium term idea and we all want the best for Bradford as a whole & know how much belief a successful sporting team (or two) brings to the city. CTID COYB

I'll vote for you!

theviking62 wrote:
Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.

theviking62 wrote:
Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.

Steam Pig wrote:

theviking62 wrote:
Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.

I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's

djmoulson wrote:

Steam Pig wrote:

theviking62 wrote:
Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.

I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's

Again though Steam Pig, what good is the motorway to most Bradford rugby/football fans? What percentage of rugby fans use the M606 on match days, and I ask this honestly?

Steam Pig wrote:

theviking62 wrote:
Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.

I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's

speakeroftruth wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

speakeroftruth wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:

barbarian mike wrote:
Odsal is a superb and iconic venue. Stay there if we can! Don't know why this fella deems it fit for him to throw his opinion in!?

He's an MP who probably has constituents who are Bulls fans, so he's got a right to air his view. Which particular views do you disagree with? Even the most ardent Bulls fan would find it difficult to call Odsal 'superb' and the dwindling crowds are a testament to that- it's one of the worst 2 or 3 grounds in Super League.

how many 20,000 crowds have city pulled in recently?

When we were in the top division of our sport, topped it a few times and was running at an average of approx 18k.

How many fans would the Bulls be gettingif they were in the RFL equivalent of the 4th division? Not nearly 10k per week I'd hazard to guess.

Moot point.

Next!

My question was how many 20,000 crowds have bradford pulled in recently? not 12 years ago
and you have still failed to answer that

djmoulson wrote:

Steam Pig wrote:

theviking62 wrote:
Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.

I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's

Again though Steam Pig, what good is the motorway to most Bradford rugby/football fans? What percentage of rugby fans use the M606 on match days, and I ask this honestly?

birkybull wrote:
Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.

billybobbull wrote:

djmoulson wrote:

Steam Pig wrote:

theviking62 wrote:
Buggy, let's keep ethnicity out of it. There good and bad citizens in all parts of the city. Some areas appear worse than others ie manningham, needs major redevelopment. West bowling / marsh field are other areas that could use some money spending on them. But wibsey, low moor, and the immediate area around odsal are consider residential. Boy, and do you court trouble, calling woodside, buttershaw, estates.

I have to agree with some of this quote as I live in area, but all regions in Bradford have there problems, My view is develop Odsal because its close to motorway also there is a train line close by so I am sure a siding could be built to alight passengers via train, as far as those vadal comments last time I had a window broke in 1st season there after that I caught bus that was laid on at Odsal. Keep ODSAL ALIVE don't kill it off it has just as much history as VP, I have a programme with my late fathers name in it when he played in WEST RIDING CUP FINAL THERE IN 1950's

Again though Steam Pig, what good is the motorway to most Bradford rugby/football fans? What percentage of rugby fans use the M606 on match days, and I ask this honestly?

Let me think.......fans from, Warrington, Widnes, St Helens, Wigan, Castleford Wakefield, Hull, Hull KR...some from Leeds...and of course, people like me (born in Bradford) who live outside Bradford but still support the Bulls...so actually probably about 75% of visting RL fans use the M606. Now lets examine if City played there and actually succeeded in getting back to the top two divisions. maybe better to name the fan's of the teams who would NOT use the M606 and still think the access was great. Some Leeds fans, Huddersfield fans erm...ermm...thinkin

g hard here....Cleckheaton Cougars...(sorry they don't exist)......sorry I am stuck. So pretty much EVERY single club's supporters in the top two football divisions fans would love easy access to Odsal via the M62/M606.

So djmoulson.....think carefully. This is not just about the Bulls or the City it is about the CITY OF BRADFORD and our reputation. Lots will visit if they have easy access and a safe enjoyable visit via M606. Odsal gives both. VP gives a very negative view of our 'back hole' and visitors (including me) are NOT impressed by access, parking, safety, hospitality (no pubs) and leave thinking WOW, it is a 'back hole'. I ain't coming here again!
Those people affect the opportunities our (could) children have in the future. Maybe we should impress them not show them our worst parts.

MisterBD wrote:

birkybull wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.

get real the whole town is a ghetto !

arhmen aleg wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

birkybull wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.

get real the whole town is a ghetto !

Agree about the ghetto.
the bigger picture from an Avenue fan.
1.neither club now own their ground.
2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population.
3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site.
4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top.
5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done.
5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders.
Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls.
6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million.
7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation.
7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand.
8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS.

I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change.
George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors.
If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome.
It just needs some common will.
All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness.
THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument.
And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion.
But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters.
Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium.
Is that where the airp

djmoulson wrote:

arhmen aleg wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

birkybull wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.

get real the whole town is a ghetto !

Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp

arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID

arhmen aleg wrote:

djmoulson wrote:

arhmen aleg wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

birkybull wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.

get real the whole town is a ghetto !

Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp

arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID

Common sense.Not sure where your 3 g post is but we all know summer rugby and soccer works ok at many other citys new stadium.Coventry is an excellent example and swansea liberty.Remember the dump veitch field was.I do when I past the two sider whilst at the great Robbie James funeral only back in 1999.
If the bulls jump now to VP a new stadium would never happen.And Gibb may not allow it given his hatred for the City.
You have my sympathy.The majority of Bullites do not appear to have stomach for such a move either.
But then when did fans ever get a say in the running of their clubs.
Avenue forever.glad City have stayed up.
One day the city will turn.
dont rely on Ken or Jack.They did their bit and walked because of the attitude of the sort of bigotry that comes out on here.
Where there is a will there is a hope.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Read all the comments, you will see my reference, I do understand what you and others refer to but I would say that is what you think of the word. My reference was to monged out meaning spaced as the comment was not one to be taken from a sober or straight person. The residents around VP have never been an issue for BCAFC fans, they appear to be for many Bulls fans.

djmoulson wrote:

arhmen aleg wrote:

djmoulson wrote:

arhmen aleg wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

birkybull wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.

get real the whole town is a ghetto !

Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp

arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID

Common sense.Not sure where your 3 g post is but we all know summer rugby and soccer works ok at many other citys new stadium.Coventry is an excellent example and swansea liberty.Remember the dump veitch field was.I do when I past the two sider whilst at the great Robbie James funeral only back in 1999. If the bulls jump now to VP a new stadium would never happen.And Gibb may not allow it given his hatred for the City. You have my sympathy.The majority of Bullites do not appear to have stomach for such a move either. But then when did fans ever get a say in the running of their clubs. Avenue forever.glad City have stayed up. One day the city will turn. dont rely on Ken or Jack.They did their bit and walked because of the attitude of the sort of bigotry that comes out on here. Where there is a will there is a hope.

I'm hearing you, and agree that neither club can rely on Ken or Jack, that just won't happen. I remember the Vetch very well and it shows what can happen with a little foresight and the guts to speculate. I'm a great believer that our City will see glory again, I just worry how low we all have to go to see that. I want all our teams to succeed, and put Bradford back on the map for positive reasons for once!!

arhmen aleg wrote:

djmoulson wrote:

arhmen aleg wrote:

djmoulson wrote:

arhmen aleg wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

birkybull wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.

get real the whole town is a ghetto !

Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp

arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID

Common sense.Not sure where your 3 g post is but we all know summer rugby and soccer works ok at many other citys new stadium.Coventry is an excellent example and swansea liberty.Remember the dump veitch field was.I do when I past the two sider whilst at the great Robbie James funeral only back in 1999. If the bulls jump now to VP a new stadium would never happen.And Gibb may not allow it given his hatred for the City. You have my sympathy.The majority of Bullites do not appear to have stomach for such a move either. But then when did fans ever get a say in the running of their clubs. Avenue forever.glad City have stayed up. One day the city will turn. dont rely on Ken or Jack.They did their bit and walked because of the attitude of the sort of bigotry that comes out on here. Where there is a will there is a hope.

I'm hearing you, and agree that neither club can rely on Ken or Jack, that just won't happen. I remember the Vetch very well and it shows what can happen with a little foresight and the guts to speculate. I'm a great believer that our City will see glory again, I just worry how low we all have to go to see that. I want all our teams to succeed, and put Bradford back on the map for positive reasons for once!!

Throw that man a biscuit.
If everyone wanted the same a united front where all its teams and the city were propering again we would all be an awfull lot happier.
The Bulls and City have had outstanding success.
a magnificent effort in 99 and the Bulls World champs.
Bad management decisions have subsequently let the fans down.And that is mirroed by appalling council decisions that have seen 2000 million in govt regeneration money squandered to create what.A city on the floor.
A seven million bridge to replace a perfectly good one on Manchester Road.
Not even able to properly maintain to fire regulations the city library.
Then their building a cycle lane so everyone can get to work in the city on their pushbikes.Would you dare venture onto the roads in Bradford (the accident stage managed insurance scam capital of the world)on a push bike?notwithstanding that there are no jobs in the city left anyway.Where will the lunacy end.
It can start at the ballot box this week with a vote for a dictator type elected mayor like middlesboro has had for several years.Ray Mallon sorted all the big drug dealers once elected cleaned the place up got heavy on crime and sorted the corruption that blighted it.
Does anyone else not feel corruption and a finger in the pie must not be behind many of the lunatic decisions that have been made on our behalf.
I shall vote for George.
if only cos hes already said he can find people with the brass to invest in Bradford sport and the city.Nothing could be worse than the lunacy that has gone on for 20 odd years.And even before that.Leeds had far more idea 20 years ago.The place looks thriving compared to our third world little hell hole.
VOTE THEM OUT>THEY DO NOT DESERVE ANOTHER MINUTE NEVER MIND 4 YEARS.THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN 10 YEARS IN ARMLEY ON BREAD AND WATER>
yes were all angry ar"nt we

djmoulson wrote:

arhmen aleg wrote:

djmoulson wrote:

arhmen aleg wrote:

djmoulson wrote:

arhmen aleg wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

birkybull wrote: Move City to Odsal. Then no one has to enter Mini pakistan or mini afghanistan when they want to go watch City. The area around the ground is a total Ghetto. City would pay peanuts in rent at Odsal just like the Bulls are doing. Gibb would be left with a big elephant doing nothing.The Valley Parade pitch is not big enough to play Rugby league FULL STOP.

get real the whole town is a ghetto !

Agree about the ghetto. the bigger picture from an Avenue fan. 1.neither club now own their ground. 2.VP has potential good land value for a supermarket to serve the rapidly expanding local population. 3.Odsal has significantly high land value as a land fill site. 4,Land behind Oddsal can be linked easily to the 606 also retaining access from odsal top. 5.The motarway link would open up acres of other development land for potential iinvestors.Man City and City of Manchester council have entered into agreements to develop state of the art facilities for Man City and the arab money will see derelict land surrounding the site developed.It can be done. 5.A CITY OF BRADFORD Stadium would serve the needs of 20000 potential bullites and 20000 potential paraders. Not forgetting my own club BPA whose fans have always had a close affinity with the Bulls. 6.Most 20000 stadiums may cost anything between 20 to 40 million. 7.A self serving puddle for those that live next to it in the town hall has cost OVER 25 million.No jobs are created as a consequence of the puddle and will never be.In these times it is economic madness a pandering folly to councillor stupidity,nice as it is.At least the memorial to the 56 poor souls of 1985 have a nice backdrop to quiet contemplation. 7.I ask why are all not prepared to sacrifice historic sentimentality to end the economic madness.Most other towns and cities have overcome the sentimentality in the name of progress.Not many at the Riverside now mourn the loss of Ayresome Park or the same can be said for Roker,Leeds Road or any other former stadiums where housing (I am told much needed)or commerciacl developments now stand. 8.A brand new ground would unite most.Picthes today as at Liverpool,Finally Wembley (after 10 dig ups following the involvment of Bradfords Sports turf institute) have a mix of 3 G and natural grass.The modern artificial supplement does not give the pitches any other effect than GRASS. I will never understand why things are so stupidly,bigotedly thought out in Bradford whist other cities progress that have suffered similar post deindustrialisation need to change. George Galloway boldly states he has contacts with middle Eastern investors. If the land off the 806 would interest them I feel sure the obstacles concerning lease arrangements with the current unsuitable for both codes of sport stadia and the bickering of fans and the holding on to the past could be overcome. It just needs some common will. All I see on here is the degeneration of the arguments to self serving self interested selfishness. THE COMMON GOOD should never be far from the argument. And it is financial constraint that the MP is attempting to tackle in his suggestion. But then MP"s and councillors dont exactly practice what they preach in such matters. Which is why the council spent towards 30 million building a puddle when 40000 regular followers of the two main clubs would probably have preferred a stadium. Is that where the airp

arhmen aleg, not everyone sits behind sentiment and wants to live in the past, and please read my post yesterday regarding 3G and a community stadium. No one can take away what's happened in the past, good or bad, we all remember. Short term VP would seem the answer, but long term there are many options, and I feel the majority would accept that. We can live in the past, or the twilight zone but Bradford will stand still if we do. CTID

Common sense.Not sure where your 3 g post is but we all know summer rugby and soccer works ok at many other citys new stadium.Coventry is an excellent example and swansea liberty.Remember the dump veitch field was.I do when I past the two sider whilst at the great Robbie James funeral only back in 1999. If the bulls jump now to VP a new stadium would never happen.And Gibb may not allow it given his hatred for the City. You have my sympathy.The majority of Bullites do not appear to have stomach for such a move either. But then when did fans ever get a say in the running of their clubs. Avenue forever.glad City have stayed up. One day the city will turn. dont rely on Ken or Jack.They did their bit and walked because of the attitude of the sort of bigotry that comes out on here. Where there is a will there is a hope.

I'm hearing you, and agree that neither club can rely on Ken or Jack, that just won't happen. I remember the Vetch very well and it shows what can happen with a little foresight and the guts to speculate. I'm a great believer that our City will see glory again, I just worry how low we all have to go to see that. I want all our teams to succeed, and put Bradford back on the map for positive reasons for once!!

Throw that man a biscuit. If everyone wanted the same a united front where all its teams and the city were propering again we would all be an awfull lot happier. The Bulls and City have had outstanding success. a magnificent effort in 99 and the Bulls World champs. Bad management decisions have subsequently let the fans down.And that is mirroed by appalling council decisions that have seen 2000 million in govt regeneration money squandered to create what.A city on the floor. A seven million bridge to replace a perfectly good one on Manchester Road. Not even able to properly maintain to fire regulations the city library. Then their building a cycle lane so everyone can get to work in the city on their pushbikes.Would you dare venture onto the roads in Bradford (the accident stage managed insurance scam capital of the world)on a push bike?notwithstanding that there are no jobs in the city left anyway.Where will the lunacy end. It can start at the ballot box this week with a vote for a dictator type elected mayor like middlesboro has had for several years.Ray Mallon sorted all the big drug dealers once elected cleaned the place up got heavy on crime and sorted the corruption that blighted it. Does anyone else not feel corruption and a finger in the pie must not be behind many of the lunatic decisions that have been made on our behalf. I shall vote for George. if only cos hes already said he can find people with the brass to invest in Bradford sport and the city.Nothing could be worse than the lunacy that has gone on for 20 odd years.And even before that.Leeds had far more idea 20 years ago.The place looks thriving compared to our third world little hell hole. VOTE THEM OUT>THEY DO NOT DESERVE ANOTHER MINUTE NEVER MIND 4 YEARS.THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN 10 YEARS IN ARMLEY ON BREAD AND WATER> yes were all angry ar"nt we

You missed out the £millions spent on consultancy fees to decide to go against the majority of Bradfordians wishes by attempting to knock down the Odeon/Gaumont cinema to replace it with another hotel and 5* office space that we don't need that resembles Provincial House that was on the opposite corner and knocked down because it was dated, when William Alsop's strategy was to stand out from the concrete of every other city and not try compete with them. I won't be voting for anyone involved in the backhanded, propoganda ridden ways of the past 10 years. I also feel the T&A are guilty of this travesty also, supporting the demolition of the Odeon, all quiet when there is proof of worthy reasons to keep, and filling pages when it shows the plans of new. Not allowing us to post comments on sensitive issues when they feel it might show the true feelings of the citizens of our city, but can comment when Ethel has her cat saved from a tree. As I say we all want the best for our city, and to feel proud of where we live, lets hope we can get there...!!

eebygum wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

theviking62 wrote:
Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.

After the time spent there playing in the aftermath of the fire I would say a resounding no. It is a desolate, open area, odd cambers on the pitch, lacking in atmosphere even back then and we were doing fairly well. Leeds Road and Elland Road were both more suited to our needs and obviously were already set up for football, both on and off the pitch. We were thankful for the use in our time of need but the fact we chose to play out of the city more than we did at Odsal was due to the footballing side of things and not finances.

I think you will find that we played most of our games at Odsal in the season away from VP we only played a few games at Hudders & Luuds. I for one would not want to move to Odsal in it's present state. It would need millions throwing at the problem to solve the stadium criteria that the football league require. Plus I believe that this is more to do with local elections rather than actually caring where the Bulls play or City for that matter. Where was Mr Ward when the rent tenure was a problem at VP?

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

eebygum wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:

theviking62 wrote: Murphys'law, you are one bloody doom monger. Are we skint, do you know that for certain, have you got inside info that you are holding from the rest of the supporters, you know we are not getting any investment. No, you, like the rest of us, have no idea what's going to happen, so stop with the negative posts. We will all find out together, your posts and those of others are the reason rumours start. But if you do know more, why not share it with us. To all city posters one question, would you move to odsal. If the answer is no, state reasons why. I bet there very similar, to those of bulls supporters not wanting to go to vp. So let's put it to bed, once and for all. Don't feed the trolls.

After the time spent there playing in the aftermath of the fire I would say a resounding no. It is a desolate, open area, odd cambers on the pitch, lacking in atmosphere even back then and we were doing fairly well. Leeds Road and Elland Road were both more suited to our needs and obviously were already set up for football, both on and off the pitch. We were thankful for the use in our time of need but the fact we chose to play out of the city more than we did at Odsal was due to the footballing side of things and not finances.

I think you will find that we played most of our games at Odsal in the season away from VP we only played a few games at Hudders & Luuds. I for one would not want to move to Odsal in it's present state. It would need millions throwing at the problem to solve the stadium criteria that the football league require. Plus I believe that this is more to do with local elections rather than actually caring where the Bulls play or City for that matter. Where was Mr Ward when the rent tenure was a problem at VP?

Is that a David Guetto? Or is it Guetta, either way voting these out to vote RESPECT in would see a bigger, approved ghetto, so although the choices are poor I still won't be putting my X anywhere near a party that campaigns on one policy only but makes the wonderful soundbite noises like all the others. Labour and RESPECT can shoot it out themselves, literally. Why would anyone on a charity mission need to hold a gun and even more importantly have a picture taken of such if it wasn't to 'show off' or promote their ideology?

EthelBurger wrote:
F***ing numpty parliamentarian. I hate footie but even I know that it would be a disaster for the turf - no way can footie and rugby share a ground. d**khead.

thedealsealer wrote:
Odsal should remain as the home of the once mighty bulls