Bang went my memory, says Moncur

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: TJ Moncur receives oxygen on the pitch before being taken to hospital TJ Moncur receives oxygen on the pitch before being taken to hospital

Groggy TJ Moncur today admitted the Shrewsbury game was a complete blur.

City’s on-loan defender collapsed twice after cracking heads with team-mate Graeme Lee.

And he also appeared to start fitting on the pitch as concerned medical staff tried to treat him.

Moncur, whose injury held the game up for 12 minutes, was taken to hospital, where checks gave him the all clear.

But he could recall nothing about the incident.

Moncur said: “I can’t remember anything about the game or how it happened. I was passing the ball with Hecky (Paul Heckingbottom) in the warm-up and the rest is a blank.

I can’t remember anything about the game or how it happened. I was passing the ball with Hecky (Paul Heckingbottom) in the warm-up and the rest is a blank

TJ Moncur

“I thought it must have been the second half because we’d changed ends but apparently we did that before kick-off.

“People were saying I was quite aggressive and wanted to get off the stretcher but I can’t remember anything else. It’s probably just as well because I would have probably panicked if I’d seen all these people crowded round me.

“The next thing I knew was being in the hospital and having a scan. I’ve got a big bump on the head but luckily the doctor said everything was all right.”

Moncur was not allowed to drive afterwards because of the concussion and had to miss a family party to celebrate turning 21 during the week.

Boss Stuart McCall said: “That’s a double blow for the lad but it was a very worrying time for him.

“When it first happened, he kept asking me if he’d been subbed off. He wanted to carry on because he realised this was going to be a chance for him. He felt he could stand up and would be fine but then obviously collapsed again. I’d like to thank the Shrewsbury staff and their doctor for doing a good job.”

City’s problems multiplied when Lee Bullock, who switched to defence to take over from Moncur, also went off injured. He strained the medial ligament in the knee – which could keep him out for several weeks.

With calf victim Paul Arnison not ready to return, McCall has no right backs available and may be forced into the loan market to cover next Saturday’s home game with Luton.

He added: “I’m going to possibly have to look elsewhere. I don’t think TJ will legally be allowed to play so we’ll chew it over and decide what option to take.”

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8:29am Mon 29 Sep 08

tyker says...

clearly TJ was not the only one with memory loss.

A referee is ORDERED to stop the play where there is a clear head injury:did he actually see the incident in which case there could have been no doubt. If he did not,why not as that is what he is paid to do.

He is also paid to remember the rules and directives issued to referees but he obviously suffered a loss of memory.

Perhaps a few weeks suspension and re-education may bring those senses back.

Allwe ask from referrees is consistenmcy: the number of games stopped by referees when clearly there is no head injusry is truly amazing and then when there is a serious event with two players on the ground the play is allowed to contine.

SO Mr Singh: ENJOY A FEW WEEKS OFF AND ENJOY GOING BACK TO REFEREE SCHOOL.
clearly TJ was not the only one with memory loss. A referee is ORDERED to stop the play where there is a clear head injury:did he actually see the incident in which case there could have been no doubt. If he did not,why not as that is what he is paid to do. He is also paid to remember the rules and directives issued to referees but he obviously suffered a loss of memory. Perhaps a few weeks suspension and re-education may bring those senses back. Allwe ask from referrees is consistenmcy: the number of games stopped by referees when clearly there is no head injusry is truly amazing and then when there is a serious event with two players on the ground the play is allowed to contine. SO Mr Singh: ENJOY A FEW WEEKS OFF AND ENJOY GOING BACK TO REFEREE SCHOOL. tyker
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8:52am Mon 29 Sep 08

Old Perculiar says...

Good point Tykler, I was listening to the match on t'radio and apparently Mr Singh was being watched by the FA, so he's likely to face some action for not stopping play after a very obvious head injury, whether he faces retraining or what - not sure. But no sympathy for us, once again we've been beaten by the ref.
Glad to see theers no serious injury to TJ though, get well soon lad.
Good point Tykler, I was listening to the match on t'radio and apparently Mr Singh was being watched by the FA, so he's likely to face some action for not stopping play after a very obvious head injury, whether he faces retraining or what - not sure. But no sympathy for us, once again we've been beaten by the ref. Glad to see theers no serious injury to TJ though, get well soon lad. Old Perculiar
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9:12am Mon 29 Sep 08

Freddy says...

TJ Moncur and Graeme Lee go for the same header. Bang, they collide with a nasty crack.
Both are prone in the penalty area as Grant Holt bears down on goal unhindered. It’s a big call for the referee – or it would have been if Singh had blown up."

Players have died instantly, on the field of play, as a direct result of a clash of heads.
One player swallowed his tongue. Another suffered a brain haemorrhage. They died because the referee did not stop the match,and summon immediate medical help.

"The referee said he quickly glanced at them and felt they were both okay. But his thoughts were wrong.” (Quote Stuart McCall.)

This referee is a disgrace to his profession(Though they are not a professional body). He is very dangerous, even as a human being, and should be reported to the League, for further immediate investigation, into his competence as a Match Official.
He should be suspended, and prevented from officiating, until that enquiry/investigatio

n has deliberated, and made their findings public.

Bradford City Football Club have a duty to football,to ensure that this referee does not continue to officiate.
TJ Moncur and Graeme Lee go for the same header. Bang, they collide with a nasty crack. Both are prone in the penalty area as Grant Holt bears down on goal unhindered. It’s a big call for the referee – or it would have been if Singh had blown up." Players have died instantly, on the field of play, as a direct result of a clash of heads. One player swallowed his tongue. Another suffered a brain haemorrhage. They died because the referee did not stop the match,and summon immediate medical help. "The referee said he quickly glanced at them and felt they were both okay. But his thoughts were wrong.” (Quote Stuart McCall.) This referee is a disgrace to his profession(Though they are not a professional body). He is very dangerous, even as a human being, and should be reported to the League, for further immediate investigation, into his competence as a Match Official. He should be suspended, and prevented from officiating, until that enquiry/investigatio n has deliberated, and made their findings public. Bradford City Football Club have a duty to football,to ensure that this referee does not continue to officiate. Freddy
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9:18am Mon 29 Sep 08

Freddy says...

"Expect City to plunge into the loan market this week."

On a lighter football comment!! I wonder if Stuart McCall could obtain the loan of the Young Arsenal Team, who recently beat Sheffield Uniteds'Senior team 6-0!

There must be many young players in the Premier Junior sides,who would welcome the experience of playing for us?.Remember last Season when Hereford gained promotion with a squad of loanees!.

Bring in some promising YOUNGER Premier players, on short term loans-Stu'!.
"Expect City to plunge into the loan market this week." On a lighter football comment!! I wonder if Stuart McCall could obtain the loan of the Young Arsenal Team, who recently beat Sheffield Uniteds'Senior team 6-0! There must be many young players in the Premier Junior sides,who would welcome the experience of playing for us?.Remember last Season when Hereford gained promotion with a squad of loanees!. Bring in some promising YOUNGER Premier players, on short term loans-Stu'!. Freddy
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9:27am Mon 29 Sep 08

i wish i was as fast as joe says...

i could not belive the incident which happened i can not belive the ref didnt blow up for the game to be stopped and y an earth did shews not but the ball out of play wen 2 of our defenders were down i guess they thought tht wa the only way to score the cheeting people it not all ref fault really wen they can kick it out.
INterestin to see wat big stu does now in this big dilema.
side-huge (right side huge blow)
i could not belive the incident which happened i can not belive the ref didnt blow up for the game to be stopped and y an earth did shews not but the ball out of play wen 2 of our defenders were down i guess they thought tht wa the only way to score the cheeting people it not all ref fault really wen they can kick it out. INterestin to see wat big stu does now in this big dilema. side-huge (right side huge blow) i wish i was as fast as joe
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9:47am Mon 29 Sep 08

tyker says...

there is no rule that a team has to kick the ball out when there is an injury:indeed there is ample evidence now that players are feigning injury so that the ball is kicked out and the game stopped. Indeed it is probably encouraged by managers as a way of stopping the flow of play so that tactical changes can be made. My view is that play should continue and players attended to on pitch whilst the game proceeds. Just watch the number of stoppages decrease in these circumstances.

However players have an obligation to each other if there is obviously a serious "head" incident to stop the game immediately even if it is a goal scoring opportunity. Clearly the Shrews knew that there had been a head injury:the noise of a collision cannot be disguised and they should have stopped play. HOWEVER, as stated, there is no rule for a player to kick the ball out and the old phrase of "play to the whistle applies".

So legally the Shrews players were probably right but morally not. The referee was legally incorect in his interpretation and it would be very interesting to see the referee's report and that of the adjudicator at the game.

The referee has either to lie in his report by saying he did not see the incident or admit to his failing bys stating that he saw it but adjudged it not to be a head injury.

Either way he damns himself and ,thererore, is due for a heavy suspension and possibly worse.

ON THE SUBJECT OF REFEREEING: is it me or is it getting worse.

The penalty at MAN UTD: even my wife, an avid Ronaldo watcher for bodily reasons only, saw it and immediately said it was a fair tackle nor was it a dive. a TOP referee standing less than 10 yards away and with a clear open view cannot see a fair tackle:what chance of making a decision in a crowded area or from 30 yards away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

security word-- BOOK-FREE-- unbelievable but true!!
there is no rule that a team has to kick the ball out when there is an injury:indeed there is ample evidence now that players are feigning injury so that the ball is kicked out and the game stopped. Indeed it is probably encouraged by managers as a way of stopping the flow of play so that tactical changes can be made. My view is that play should continue and players attended to on pitch whilst the game proceeds. Just watch the number of stoppages decrease in these circumstances. However players have an obligation to each other if there is obviously a serious "head" incident to stop the game immediately even if it is a goal scoring opportunity. Clearly the Shrews knew that there had been a head injury:the noise of a collision cannot be disguised and they should have stopped play. HOWEVER, as stated, there is no rule for a player to kick the ball out and the old phrase of "play to the whistle applies". So legally the Shrews players were probably right but morally not. The referee was legally incorect in his interpretation and it would be very interesting to see the referee's report and that of the adjudicator at the game. The referee has either to lie in his report by saying he did not see the incident or admit to his failing bys stating that he saw it but adjudged it not to be a head injury. Either way he damns himself and ,thererore, is due for a heavy suspension and possibly worse. ON THE SUBJECT OF REFEREEING: is it me or is it getting worse. The penalty at MAN UTD: even my wife, an avid Ronaldo watcher for bodily reasons only, saw it and immediately said it was a fair tackle nor was it a dive. a TOP referee standing less than 10 yards away and with a clear open view cannot see a fair tackle:what chance of making a decision in a crowded area or from 30 yards away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! security word-- BOOK-FREE-- unbelievable but true!! tyker
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11:19am Mon 29 Sep 08

LeftWanting says...

tyker wrote:
clearly TJ was not the only one with memory loss.A referee is ORDERED to stop the play where there is a clear head injury:did he actually see the incident in which case there could have been no doubt. If he did not,why not as that is what he is paid to do.He is also paid to remember the rules and directives issued to referees but he obviously suffered a loss of memory.Perhaps a few weeks suspension and re-education may bring those senses back.Allwe ask from referrees is consistenmcy: the number of games stopped by referees when clearly there is no head injusry is truly amazing and then when there is a serious event with two players on the ground the play is allowed to contine.SO Mr Singh: ENJOY A FEW WEEKS OFF AND ENJOY GOING BACK TO REFEREE SCHOOL.
Now then tyker test your true i.q. What is the word that best describes your remarks and comes before 'grapes'?
[quote][bold]tyker[/bold] wrote: clearly TJ was not the only one with memory loss.A referee is ORDERED to stop the play where there is a clear head injury:did he actually see the incident in which case there could have been no doubt. If he did not,why not as that is what he is paid to do.He is also paid to remember the rules and directives issued to referees but he obviously suffered a loss of memory.Perhaps a few weeks suspension and re-education may bring those senses back.Allwe ask from referrees is consistenmcy: the number of games stopped by referees when clearly there is no head injusry is truly amazing and then when there is a serious event with two players on the ground the play is allowed to contine.SO Mr Singh: ENJOY A FEW WEEKS OFF AND ENJOY GOING BACK TO REFEREE SCHOOL.[/quote]Now then tyker test your true i.q. What is the word that best describes your remarks and comes before 'grapes'? LeftWanting
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11:29am Mon 29 Sep 08

tyker says...

leftwantingsensibili
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when someone suffers a serious head injury I am really pleased you regard it as a laughing matter. Even normal people regard it as so but obviously not those abandoned by their mothers at birth and with a father who denies that he could be father of such a being.

Now then left wanting test your true i.q. What is the word that best describes your remarks and comes before 'off!

security word left-lack: fitting response to your post!
leftwantingsensibili ty when someone suffers a serious head injury I am really pleased you regard it as a laughing matter. Even normal people regard it as so but obviously not those abandoned by their mothers at birth and with a father who denies that he could be father of such a being. Now then left wanting test your true i.q. What is the word that best describes your remarks and comes before 'off! security word left-lack: fitting response to your post! tyker
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12:22pm Mon 29 Sep 08

The Russian says...

I was at the game and it was an awful clash and a bad refereeing decision. Put this to one side and we never looked up for the game and were well beaten. Never first to a ball and allowed shrews players to waltz through without a tackle. Granted midfield was unsettled after Bullock had to move to right back but we were like rabbits in the headlights.
Questions need to be asked around STU's tatics. Why did he choose a 4-5-1 formation? Try to defend and catch Shrews on the break. Defensively we struggled so that plan went out of the window and following the TJ injury he should have reverted to a 4-4-2 considering we were also 1-0 down. How did he justify sticking CONLON up front as a lone striker. He was clueless and refused to challenge for high balls. Now there's a thing, high balls. The two Shrews centre backs must have though they'd died and gone to heaven. We pump the ball up to the box, they head it clear repeatedly, so WHY in gods name do the players carry on regardless (Great song). As you can see not a happy punter. Can't see a way out at the moment. Memories of the last time we hit the top. Dropped like a lead weight.
I was at the game and it was an awful clash and a bad refereeing decision. Put this to one side and we never looked up for the game and were well beaten. Never first to a ball and allowed shrews players to waltz through without a tackle. Granted midfield was unsettled after Bullock had to move to right back but we were like rabbits in the headlights. Questions need to be asked around STU's tatics. Why did he choose a 4-5-1 formation? Try to defend and catch Shrews on the break. Defensively we struggled so that plan went out of the window and following the TJ injury he should have reverted to a 4-4-2 considering we were also 1-0 down. How did he justify sticking CONLON up front as a lone striker. He was clueless and refused to challenge for high balls. Now there's a thing, high balls. The two Shrews centre backs must have though they'd died and gone to heaven. We pump the ball up to the box, they head it clear repeatedly, so WHY in gods name do the players carry on regardless (Great song). As you can see not a happy punter. Can't see a way out at the moment. Memories of the last time we hit the top. Dropped like a lead weight. The Russian
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2:37pm Mon 29 Sep 08

Meat Pie says...

Do you think Mickey Mouse wears a Barry Conlon watch?
Do you think Mickey Mouse wears a Barry Conlon watch? Meat Pie
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2:50pm Mon 29 Sep 08

PHILISAN says...

No question Meat Pie,he does for sure...Poor old Barry could'nt get the hang of it and gave it to him on one of his many visits to Disneyland!
No question Meat Pie,he does for sure...Poor old Barry could'nt get the hang of it and gave it to him on one of his many visits to Disneyland! PHILISAN
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3:11pm Mon 29 Sep 08

Scargutt says...

Hilarious security word Sing-Head. Mr Singh and his head collision!

Erm, what's that it says on the front of his shirt? Gordon & Alistair?

It says it all about City that just when the season starts to look promising for once, our shirt sponsor goes tits up!

I think Mickey Mouse wears a Gordon Brown watch to be honest!
Hilarious security word Sing-Head. Mr Singh and his head collision! Erm, what's that it says on the front of his shirt? Gordon & Alistair? It says it all about City that just when the season starts to look promising for once, our shirt sponsor goes tits up! I think Mickey Mouse wears a Gordon Brown watch to be honest! Scargutt
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6:53pm Mon 29 Sep 08

StaffsBantam says...

Has anybody actually heard how (or if) the nationalisation of B&B will affect our sponsorship? If jobs are going, I really can't see them continuing, unless we have a watertight contract, or better still, we were paid up front!
Has anybody actually heard how (or if) the nationalisation of B&B will affect our sponsorship? If jobs are going, I really can't see them continuing, unless we have a watertight contract, or better still, we were paid up front! StaffsBantam
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10:54pm Mon 29 Sep 08

rio8uk says...

I went to the game at Shrewsbury and the ref was as bad if not worse than the game at Grimsby last season.I have to agree that the man needs re training.The photographs clearly show him looking at the two players on the ground and ignoring the severity of the clash.I just hope the powers that be watch the game and finaly realise the game and refs need a good talking to.Too many mistakes by refs and too much diving from players.Its laughable how some refs seem to be fooled by divers.Also i dont think the assistants do there job as they should.
Last year i went to some away matches and it does'nt come cheap.Most of the games we played with one up front which to me is negative playing,(my oppinion).The Shrewsbury game was my first away game this season and i was very dissapointed to see Conlon on his own upfront.Im not a fan of Conlon,(My oppinion again)hes been at so many clubs,what does that tell you.Playing one up front whoever it is isn't working for us and is not entertainment.Other teams will know by now that we are playing that sort of game away from home.At the Shrews match everyone around me was saying,oh no not again.But you couldnt wish for any better fans in the country.They are fantastic in every way win or lose.To all you City fans 10/10 your a credit to your City.
I went to the game at Shrewsbury and the ref was as bad if not worse than the game at Grimsby last season.I have to agree that the man needs re training.The photographs clearly show him looking at the two players on the ground and ignoring the severity of the clash.I just hope the powers that be watch the game and finaly realise the game and refs need a good talking to.Too many mistakes by refs and too much diving from players.Its laughable how some refs seem to be fooled by divers.Also i dont think the assistants do there job as they should. Last year i went to some away matches and it does'nt come cheap.Most of the games we played with one up front which to me is negative playing,(my oppinion).The Shrewsbury game was my first away game this season and i was very dissapointed to see Conlon on his own upfront.Im not a fan of Conlon,(My oppinion again)hes been at so many clubs,what does that tell you.Playing one up front whoever it is isn't working for us and is not entertainment.Other teams will know by now that we are playing that sort of game away from home.At the Shrews match everyone around me was saying,oh no not again.But you couldnt wish for any better fans in the country.They are fantastic in every way win or lose.To all you City fans 10/10 your a credit to your City. rio8uk
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6:44am Tue 30 Sep 08

tyker says...

just watched virgin media again and again.

the ref went past the two prone players with no more than a hand gesture preferring to stop over indulgent goal celebrations.

What a situation where two clear head injuries were considered less important than a goal celebration.!!

no sour grapes as we were poor but the standard of referring has to be consistent if nothing else.
just watched virgin media again and again. the ref went past the two prone players with no more than a hand gesture preferring to stop over indulgent goal celebrations. What a situation where two clear head injuries were considered less important than a goal celebration.!! no sour grapes as we were poor but the standard of referring has to be consistent if nothing else. tyker
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7:46am Tue 30 Sep 08

tyker says...

re:above
standard of referring???????????
????

meant referreeing if there is such a word.

the decisions made by referrees shoudl be consistent.
re:above standard of referring??????????? ???? meant referreeing if there is such a word. the decisions made by referrees shoudl be consistent. tyker
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9:35am Tue 30 Sep 08

Scargutt says...

StaffsBantam wrote:
Has anybody actually heard how (or if) the nationalisation of B&B will affect our sponsorship? If jobs are going, I really can't see them continuing, unless we have a watertight contract, or better still, we were paid up front!
I'm not 100% certain but i'm sure I read somewhere that B&B were actually looking to terminate the sponsorship at the end of 2006/2007 season, but agreed to leave their name in place until an alternative could be found. On this basis, I would doubt whether an actual fee is involved, although I am sure they pay costs. There's no well known suitable alternative really.
[quote][bold]StaffsBantam[/bold] wrote: Has anybody actually heard how (or if) the nationalisation of B&B will affect our sponsorship? If jobs are going, I really can't see them continuing, unless we have a watertight contract, or better still, we were paid up front![/quote]I'm not 100% certain but i'm sure I read somewhere that B&B were actually looking to terminate the sponsorship at the end of 2006/2007 season, but agreed to leave their name in place until an alternative could be found. On this basis, I would doubt whether an actual fee is involved, although I am sure they pay costs. There's no well known suitable alternative really. Scargutt
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11:31am Tue 30 Sep 08

Waynus says...

Scargutt wrote:
StaffsBantam wrote:Has anybody actually heard how (or if) the nationalisation of B&B will affect our sponsorship? If jobs are going, I really can't see them continuing, unless we have a watertight contract, or better still, we were paid up front!I'm not 100% certain but i'm sure I read somewhere that B&B were actually looking to terminate the sponsorship at the end of 2006/2007 season, but agreed to leave their name in place until an alternative could be found. On this basis, I would doubt whether an actual fee is involved, although I am sure they pay costs. There's no well known suitable alternative really.
Scargutt, you did read comments regarding Bradford & Bingley terminating their sponsorship at the end of 2006/07 season. However, that particular deal was the sponsorhip of the stadium NOT the shirts. They wanted to terminate the deal but agreed they wouldn't until we found a replacement. As we all now know, Coral Windows took over the sponsorship deal, whilst Bradford & Bingley maintained an interest by sponsoring the shirts.

They agreed a deal to sponsor the shirts from 2006 until 2008 with a further 2 years extension should both parties agree. In the Summer, we agreed to this extension and have a new contract until the Summer of 2010. The payment for the 2008/09 season was paid in May, to allow us to offer the BOGOF season ticket deal.

Hope this helps
[quote][bold]Scargutt[/bold] wrote: StaffsBantam wrote:Has anybody actually heard how (or if) the nationalisation of B&B will affect our sponsorship? If jobs are going, I really can't see them continuing, unless we have a watertight contract, or better still, we were paid up front!I'm not 100% certain but i'm sure I read somewhere that B&B were actually looking to terminate the sponsorship at the end of 2006/2007 season, but agreed to leave their name in place until an alternative could be found. On this basis, I would doubt whether an actual fee is involved, although I am sure they pay costs. There's no well known suitable alternative really.[/quote]Scargutt, you did read comments regarding Bradford & Bingley terminating their sponsorship at the end of 2006/07 season. However, that particular deal was the sponsorhip of the stadium NOT the shirts. They wanted to terminate the deal but agreed they wouldn't until we found a replacement. As we all now know, Coral Windows took over the sponsorship deal, whilst Bradford & Bingley maintained an interest by sponsoring the shirts. They agreed a deal to sponsor the shirts from 2006 until 2008 with a further 2 years extension should both parties agree. In the Summer, we agreed to this extension and have a new contract until the Summer of 2010. The payment for the 2008/09 season was paid in May, to allow us to offer the BOGOF season ticket deal. Hope this helps Waynus
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12:10pm Tue 30 Sep 08

Waynus says...

BirkenshawDave wrote:
Talk about sour grapes. I was there, unlike about half the people posting on here blaming the ref. City were poor, Shrewsbury deserved to win and 2-0 flattered City. If the incident had been the other way, how many City fans can honestly say they'd have urged the players to put the ball out and not play on and score? Also,it's a split second decision, you can't say the Shrewsbury players knew it was a bad head clash - have you asked them? McCall's comment about Shrews celebrating is also sour grapes. They'd just scored a last minute goal to secure the win - it was Richard Walkers first goal for the club,they'd beaten one of the top sides in the division - of course they are entitled to celebrate - get over it. One more thing in the biased comments - no mention of a city player falling on the ball and handling it in the box to prevent a Shrewsbury player from getting a scoring chance - or did no one else see that??I agree with you on some of your comments but not in its entirety.
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Firstly, had we not have had to change personnel within the first 7 minutes, what's to say the game wouldn't have been completely different. Yes, we played poorly, but having to play a key central midfielder at right-back upset the balance totally. How do YOU know we wouldn't have played much better had the injury not occurred?

I do agree with you regarding the goal. All professional footballers are told to play on until the referee blows his whistle. The problem was with the official not deeming the incident as serious. You can blame Mr Singh for that, but you cannot blame Shrewsbury for carrying on and scoring. We have had similar situations ourselves at VP and I have heard our fans cursing players for putting the ball out of play when we had a good scoring chance and the referee had played on.

One other thing to note regarding the incident is that the two players collided in the first place. Neither player put a name on the ball and ended up taking each other out. This was a massive mistake and is surely what McCall takes going forward.

Finally, fair comment regarding McCall on 'sour grapes'. Obviously he was disappointed to have lost the game and vented his frustration on Shrews' celebrations. Perhaps if he had chosen a more attacking formation in the first place, we wouldn't be having any of this debate now??

Going forward, I hope we look to sign Doyle again. He is a better player than either Arnison and TJ and would fill a big hole in our defence.

(Just read that he isn't going to delve into the loan market. The money must have run out, as he said on Saturday that we would need to bring a player in. What changed?)
BirkenshawDave wrote: Talk about sour grapes. I was there, unlike about half the people posting on here blaming the ref. City were poor, Shrewsbury deserved to win and 2-0 flattered City. If the incident had been the other way, how many City fans can honestly say they'd have urged the players to put the ball out and not play on and score? Also,it's a split second decision, you can't say the Shrewsbury players knew it was a bad head clash - have you asked them? McCall's comment about Shrews celebrating is also sour grapes. They'd just scored a last minute goal to secure the win - it was Richard Walkers first goal for the club,they'd beaten one of the top sides in the division - of course they are entitled to celebrate - get over it. One more thing in the biased comments - no mention of a city player falling on the ball and handling it in the box to prevent a Shrewsbury player from getting a scoring chance - or did no one else see that??I agree with you on some of your comments but not in its entirety. -------------------- -------- Firstly, had we not have had to change personnel within the first 7 minutes, what's to say the game wouldn't have been completely different. Yes, we played poorly, but having to play a key central midfielder at right-back upset the balance totally. How do YOU know we wouldn't have played much better had the injury not occurred? I do agree with you regarding the goal. All professional footballers are told to play on until the referee blows his whistle. The problem was with the official not deeming the incident as serious. You can blame Mr Singh for that, but you cannot blame Shrewsbury for carrying on and scoring. We have had similar situations ourselves at VP and I have heard our fans cursing players for putting the ball out of play when we had a good scoring chance and the referee had played on. One other thing to note regarding the incident is that the two players collided in the first place. Neither player put a name on the ball and ended up taking each other out. This was a massive mistake and is surely what McCall takes going forward. Finally, fair comment regarding McCall on 'sour grapes'. Obviously he was disappointed to have lost the game and vented his frustration on Shrews' celebrations. Perhaps if he had chosen a more attacking formation in the first place, we wouldn't be having any of this debate now?? Going forward, I hope we look to sign Doyle again. He is a better player than either Arnison and TJ and would fill a big hole in our defence. (Just read that he isn't going to delve into the loan market. The money must have run out, as he said on Saturday that we would need to bring a player in. What changed?) Waynus
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9:18pm Tue 30 Sep 08

oddshapedballs says...

Oo what a nasty bump, Get real it happens every week in a mans sport and players get up dust themselves down and play on. Soft overpaid ponces
Oo what a nasty bump, Get real it happens every week in a mans sport and players get up dust themselves down and play on. Soft overpaid ponces oddshapedballs
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