Bradford City stalwart Jack Tordoff happy to be back as kit sponsor

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: City director of operations David Baldwin and Jack Tordoff, founder of sponsors JCT600, with the new home shirt for next season City director of operations David Baldwin and Jack Tordoff, founder of sponsors JCT600, with the new home shirt for next season

City today unveiled a new kit and a very familiar sponsor for next season.

The Bantams have revealed their home shirts for the 2013-14 campaign – which they hope will kick off in League One.

And JCT600’s name will be emblazoned across the front once again after a seven-year absence.

The Bradford-based motor group have signed a three-year deal with City to renew a partnership that ran from 1997 to 2006 – a dramatic period that saw the club reach the Premier League but also suffer two administrations.

JCT founder and City honorary life president Jack Tordoff said: “Everything was thrown in during that time but we’re delighted to be back. We feel we belong there.

“We’re still Bradford City supporters whatever happens. But the club are going to achieve something eventually and, as it’s turned out, this year they’ve achieved a lot.

“I didn’t go to Wembley for the cup final because we had booked a holiday but I’m going this weekend.

“I think we stand a fair chance. It’s more of an equal contest with Northampton and Bradford City and the experience of playing at Wembley before has got to do some good.

“I like the look of the new shirt – and it would look wonderful in League One. For a city the size of Bradford, the club have been stuck in League Two for too long.”

City will step out in August in predominantly amber shirts with a vertical claret stripe. The shorts and socks are both claret.

Replica shirts will be available from tomorrow and the club anticipate a pre-Wembley rush.

City director of operations David Baldwin said: “The kit is changed annually as part of the agreement with Nike, so you are reinventing yourself each year.

“The hooped kit this season has been a popular design but this is very crisp and clean and I think it will be well received.

“It’s fantastic we’ve been able to do this sponsorship deal with a company that’s firmly established in Bradford. Hopefully we can bring the feelgood factor back to this city.

“Jack’s been there right the way through. It’s like a ‘coming home’.

“The continuity is important and that’s something we’ve tried to instil in everything the club have done from 2007 onwards. We want a feel of progressive forward steps but alongside firm foundations and relationships.”

Details of the away kit will be revealed later in the month.

Meanwhile, the club estimate they will make between £200,000 and £300,000 from their play-off participation.

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7:13am Tue 14 May 13

Nickloza says...

Like it, I'll be getting mine tomorrow.
Like it, I'll be getting mine tomorrow. Nickloza

7:18am Tue 14 May 13

Beeceefcee says...

What! No hoops!
What! No hoops! Beeceefcee

7:28am Tue 14 May 13

RAF_Bantam says...

Hmmmm, I liked the hoops, think I may have to visit the shop in the morning and see it for myself!

Would be rude not to buy it to take to Spain with me on Thursday so I can watch the Final in it on Saturday whilst sipping Sangria.....
Hmmmm, I liked the hoops, think I may have to visit the shop in the morning and see it for myself! Would be rude not to buy it to take to Spain with me on Thursday so I can watch the Final in it on Saturday whilst sipping Sangria..... RAF_Bantam

7:34am Tue 14 May 13

Dunn one2 says...

Welcome back jack
Welcome back jack Dunn one2

8:05am Tue 14 May 13

tyker2 says...

good kit:let's hope old Jack makes up for his lack of investment in the past. WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE CATERING?
good kit:let's hope old Jack makes up for his lack of investment in the past. WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE CATERING? tyker2

8:08am Tue 14 May 13

danger mouse says...

I wonder how much money the sponsorship deal is pumping into the club or have I misread the article?
I wonder how much money the sponsorship deal is pumping into the club or have I misread the article? danger mouse

8:41am Tue 14 May 13

Mr Buss says...

Big mistake not keeping the hoops, kit looked a class apart. Please tell me we aren't going back to crappy stripes.
Big mistake not keeping the hoops, kit looked a class apart. Please tell me we aren't going back to crappy stripes. Mr Buss

8:41am Tue 14 May 13

slaphead10 says...

Great to see Jack on board again but very very sad that once again there is no black in the strip, we have just had the 28th Aniversary and three days later we see a strip bereft of any reminders of what this club and its supporters have gone through.
I'm sorry but even as a lifelong supporter I will not buy a shirt that forgets this fact, it's time this club stood up to the likes of Nike and told them what we want, not their marketing department.
Paul Donnelly
2 Brownroyd Fold
BD5 9AJ
07956562165
Great to see Jack on board again but very very sad that once again there is no black in the strip, we have just had the 28th Aniversary and three days later we see a strip bereft of any reminders of what this club and its supporters have gone through. I'm sorry but even as a lifelong supporter I will not buy a shirt that forgets this fact, it's time this club stood up to the likes of Nike and told them what we want, not their marketing department. Paul Donnelly 2 Brownroyd Fold BD5 9AJ 07956562165 slaphead10

8:46am Tue 14 May 13

macca1969 says...

Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.
Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in. macca1969

8:59am Tue 14 May 13

Dugoutboy says...

slaphead10 wrote:
Great to see Jack on board again but very very sad that once again there is no black in the strip, we have just had the 28th Aniversary and three days later we see a strip bereft of any reminders of what this club and its supporters have gone through.
I'm sorry but even as a lifelong supporter I will not buy a shirt that forgets this fact, it's time this club stood up to the likes of Nike and told them what we want, not their marketing department.
Paul Donnelly
2 Brownroyd Fold
BD5 9AJ
07956562165
No disrespect but have a look at the Bradford City AFC site. The shirt has the traditional black ribbon on the back
[quote][p][bold]slaphead10[/bold] wrote: Great to see Jack on board again but very very sad that once again there is no black in the strip, we have just had the 28th Aniversary and three days later we see a strip bereft of any reminders of what this club and its supporters have gone through. I'm sorry but even as a lifelong supporter I will not buy a shirt that forgets this fact, it's time this club stood up to the likes of Nike and told them what we want, not their marketing department. Paul Donnelly 2 Brownroyd Fold BD5 9AJ 07956562165[/p][/quote]No disrespect but have a look at the Bradford City AFC site. The shirt has the traditional black ribbon on the back Dugoutboy

9:10am Tue 14 May 13

macca1969 says...

Dugoutboy wrote:
slaphead10 wrote:
Great to see Jack on board again but very very sad that once again there is no black in the strip, we have just had the 28th Aniversary and three days later we see a strip bereft of any reminders of what this club and its supporters have gone through.
I'm sorry but even as a lifelong supporter I will not buy a shirt that forgets this fact, it's time this club stood up to the likes of Nike and told them what we want, not their marketing department.
Paul Donnelly
2 Brownroyd Fold
BD5 9AJ
07956562165
No disrespect but have a look at the Bradford City AFC site. The shirt has the traditional black ribbon on the back
As have all the Nike kits. All are made with the traditional black ribbon on the back just below the neck. The club insisted on this and Nike were more happy to comply so where is the problem?
[quote][p][bold]Dugoutboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slaphead10[/bold] wrote: Great to see Jack on board again but very very sad that once again there is no black in the strip, we have just had the 28th Aniversary and three days later we see a strip bereft of any reminders of what this club and its supporters have gone through. I'm sorry but even as a lifelong supporter I will not buy a shirt that forgets this fact, it's time this club stood up to the likes of Nike and told them what we want, not their marketing department. Paul Donnelly 2 Brownroyd Fold BD5 9AJ 07956562165[/p][/quote]No disrespect but have a look at the Bradford City AFC site. The shirt has the traditional black ribbon on the back[/p][/quote]As have all the Nike kits. All are made with the traditional black ribbon on the back just below the neck. The club insisted on this and Nike were more happy to comply so where is the problem? macca1969

9:17am Tue 14 May 13

allannicho says...

RAF_Bantam wrote:
Hmmmm, I liked the hoops, think I may have to visit the shop in the morning and see it for myself!

Would be rude not to buy it to take to Spain with me on Thursday so I can watch the Final in it on Saturday whilst sipping Sangria.....
Ditto ditto may see you on Ryanair
1955hrs, really like the shirt,
(I,m the one in the Mr Delmonte suit?
[quote][p][bold]RAF_Bantam[/bold] wrote: Hmmmm, I liked the hoops, think I may have to visit the shop in the morning and see it for myself! Would be rude not to buy it to take to Spain with me on Thursday so I can watch the Final in it on Saturday whilst sipping Sangria.....[/p][/quote]Ditto ditto may see you on Ryanair 1955hrs, really like the shirt, (I,m the one in the Mr Delmonte suit? allannicho

9:38am Tue 14 May 13

Farsley Bantam says...

macca1969 wrote:
Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.
What has he taken out of City? Enlighten me
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.[/p][/quote]What has he taken out of City? Enlighten me Farsley Bantam

10:01am Tue 14 May 13

tyker2 says...

macca1969 wrote:
Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.
spot on mate. Abysmal not to invest a hundred grand or less to get promotion. He ran frightened of the costs involved and the rest is history
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.[/p][/quote]spot on mate. Abysmal not to invest a hundred grand or less to get promotion. He ran frightened of the costs involved and the rest is history tyker2

10:06am Tue 14 May 13

Michael Clayton says...

Dugoutboy wrote:
slaphead10 wrote: Great to see Jack on board again but very very sad that once again there is no black in the strip, we have just had the 28th Aniversary and three days later we see a strip bereft of any reminders of what this club and its supporters have gone through. I'm sorry but even as a lifelong supporter I will not buy a shirt that forgets this fact, it's time this club stood up to the likes of Nike and told them what we want, not their marketing department. Paul Donnelly 2 Brownroyd Fold BD5 9AJ 07956562165
No disrespect but have a look at the Bradford City AFC site. The shirt has the traditional black ribbon on the back
You are stating a fact. I do not think that you are being disrespectful.
[quote][p][bold]Dugoutboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slaphead10[/bold] wrote: Great to see Jack on board again but very very sad that once again there is no black in the strip, we have just had the 28th Aniversary and three days later we see a strip bereft of any reminders of what this club and its supporters have gone through. I'm sorry but even as a lifelong supporter I will not buy a shirt that forgets this fact, it's time this club stood up to the likes of Nike and told them what we want, not their marketing department. Paul Donnelly 2 Brownroyd Fold BD5 9AJ 07956562165[/p][/quote]No disrespect but have a look at the Bradford City AFC site. The shirt has the traditional black ribbon on the back[/p][/quote]You are stating a fact. I do not think that you are being disrespectful. Michael Clayton

10:19am Tue 14 May 13

tinytoonster says...

tyker2 wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.
spot on mate. Abysmal not to invest a hundred grand or less to get promotion. He ran frightened of the costs involved and the rest is history
i can't stand him either.
no jack walker or dave whelan thats for sure.
if you had read mccall's book farsley bantam you would not need to ask!
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.[/p][/quote]spot on mate. Abysmal not to invest a hundred grand or less to get promotion. He ran frightened of the costs involved and the rest is history[/p][/quote]i can't stand him either. no jack walker or dave whelan thats for sure. if you had read mccall's book farsley bantam you would not need to ask! tinytoonster

10:21am Tue 14 May 13

tinytoonster says...

city doing well so up pops jack to jump on the bandwagon.
hope he's paying to go to wembley like genuine fans!!
city doing well so up pops jack to jump on the bandwagon. hope he's paying to go to wembley like genuine fans!! tinytoonster

10:24am Tue 14 May 13

tinytoonster says...

nice photo of baldwin dancing with the devil.
nice photo of baldwin dancing with the devil. tinytoonster

10:41am Tue 14 May 13

pudseykid says...

As a "former employee" for a few years we (son and I) used to get in for free...the JCT organisation doesnt pay great salaries..but it did allow us to save up and eventually we bought our own season tickets. I now live 240 miles from the club, so use the flexi-system.BUT-sin
ce their sponsorship deal on shirts stopped, many of HIS family actually stopped going..rumours in the business were that HE told them NOT to go..(just rumours!)..I would argue that from August next season U will see members of the family NOW in the crowd...He himself has always been there..the one thing he seems to forgot about his millions in the bank is this: HE WILL NOT be able to take it with him when hes put in a box, like the rest of us one day will be...he has the money to make this club a great club..but unlike other businessmen hasnt had the courage to do it..JCT will see this as a business opportunity, otherwise they wouldnt have done it...
As a "former employee" for a few years we (son and I) used to get in for free...the JCT organisation doesnt pay great salaries..but it did allow us to save up and eventually we bought our own season tickets. I now live 240 miles from the club, so use the flexi-system.BUT-sin ce their sponsorship deal on shirts stopped, many of HIS family actually stopped going..rumours in the business were that HE told them NOT to go..(just rumours!)..I would argue that from August next season U will see members of the family NOW in the crowd...He himself has always been there..the one thing he seems to forgot about his millions in the bank is this: HE WILL NOT be able to take it with him when hes put in a box, like the rest of us one day will be...he has the money to make this club a great club..but unlike other businessmen hasnt had the courage to do it..JCT will see this as a business opportunity, otherwise they wouldnt have done it... pudseykid

10:46am Tue 14 May 13

lawsonio123 says...

tinytoonster wrote:
nice photo of baldwin dancing with the devil.
Knew Jack Tordoff long ago I love your posting its very apt Have a great time on Sayurday
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: nice photo of baldwin dancing with the devil.[/p][/quote]Knew Jack Tordoff long ago I love your posting its very apt Have a great time on Sayurday lawsonio123

10:57am Tue 14 May 13

slaphead10 says...

Many thanks to Mark Lawn for personally contacting me with regard to black in the City shirt, black is in it in the form of the ribbon on the back of the shirt and needless to say I will be buying one, sorry Mark and roll on Wembley.
CTID
Paul Donnelly
Many thanks to Mark Lawn for personally contacting me with regard to black in the City shirt, black is in it in the form of the ribbon on the back of the shirt and needless to say I will be buying one, sorry Mark and roll on Wembley. CTID Paul Donnelly slaphead10

11:03am Tue 14 May 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Love the hoops, loved the mock up shirts doing the rounds last week, especially the all claret with amber stripe, this one will be a grower I think. The shirts always have more appeal to my mind once you see the team in them. Two old fellas holding it up like washing doesn't give a good impression.

Sorry Mr Baldwin.
Love the hoops, loved the mock up shirts doing the rounds last week, especially the all claret with amber stripe, this one will be a grower I think. The shirts always have more appeal to my mind once you see the team in them. Two old fellas holding it up like washing doesn't give a good impression. Sorry Mr Baldwin. Prisoner Cell Block A

11:34am Tue 14 May 13

Old Peculiar says...

If the club were to put another shirt out that was a hoops or stripes, then they'd get slated for just bringing out "another shirt", I think this one is a bit Star Trekky, but I'm sure it will grow.

As for Tordoff - not a big fan, where was he when we were in the gutter ? he walked away, and now that things are looking rosy - he wants a bit of the limelight, and to splash his logo about.
If the club were to put another shirt out that was a hoops or stripes, then they'd get slated for just bringing out "another shirt", I think this one is a bit Star Trekky, but I'm sure it will grow. As for Tordoff - not a big fan, where was he when we were in the gutter ? he walked away, and now that things are looking rosy - he wants a bit of the limelight, and to splash his logo about. Old Peculiar

11:35am Tue 14 May 13

Waynus1971 says...

Think I ned to see it in person before I can make an informed decision on whether I like it or not. I love the hoops and really wish we could have kept that style, perhaps with a slight modification. That said, did it even need to be changed? With a new sponsor name embazoned across the chest, that will be sufficient to make the kit 'unique' anyway.

The pictures make it look yellow, not amber and this is why I need to see it in person. Can't say I'm thrilled with the design, but I agree with PCBA in that it may be a 'grower'.

With PP looking increasingly likely to be off on the summer, have we designed this kit to be similar to Motherwell's in a bid to smuggle McCall back to VP?
Think I ned to see it in person before I can make an informed decision on whether I like it or not. I love the hoops and really wish we could have kept that style, perhaps with a slight modification. That said, did it even need to be changed? With a new sponsor name embazoned across the chest, that will be sufficient to make the kit 'unique' anyway. The pictures make it look yellow, not amber and this is why I need to see it in person. Can't say I'm thrilled with the design, but I agree with PCBA in that it may be a 'grower'. With PP looking increasingly likely to be off on the summer, have we designed this kit to be similar to Motherwell's in a bid to smuggle McCall back to VP? Waynus1971

12:12pm Tue 14 May 13

tyker2 says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
Think I ned to see it in person before I can make an informed decision on whether I like it or not. I love the hoops and really wish we could have kept that style, perhaps with a slight modification. That said, did it even need to be changed? With a new sponsor name embazoned across the chest, that will be sufficient to make the kit 'unique' anyway.

The pictures make it look yellow, not amber and this is why I need to see it in person. Can't say I'm thrilled with the design, but I agree with PCBA in that it may be a 'grower'.

With PP looking increasingly likely to be off on the summer, have we designed this kit to be similar to Motherwell's in a bid to smuggle McCall back to VP?
NO
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: Think I ned to see it in person before I can make an informed decision on whether I like it or not. I love the hoops and really wish we could have kept that style, perhaps with a slight modification. That said, did it even need to be changed? With a new sponsor name embazoned across the chest, that will be sufficient to make the kit 'unique' anyway. The pictures make it look yellow, not amber and this is why I need to see it in person. Can't say I'm thrilled with the design, but I agree with PCBA in that it may be a 'grower'. With PP looking increasingly likely to be off on the summer, have we designed this kit to be similar to Motherwell's in a bid to smuggle McCall back to VP?[/p][/quote]NO tyker2

12:24pm Tue 14 May 13

shoesmaker4 says...

up to now on northampton webcite northampton have sold just over 21- thousand tickets and bradford city 22 thousand tickets by the way i think the shirt does not look that bad come on city
up to now on northampton webcite northampton have sold just over 21- thousand tickets and bradford city 22 thousand tickets by the way i think the shirt does not look that bad come on city shoesmaker4

12:32pm Tue 14 May 13

bantam34 says...

TICKET UPDATE: Northampton tickets have finihsed online and telehpone sales but can now be purchased from Sixfields in person - thsi is on their official website....when our tickets close online Weds 12 will city make them available for a further two days from the ticket office as Norrhampton have done? This could encotage another 1000 or so last minute purchases...
TICKET UPDATE: Northampton tickets have finihsed online and telehpone sales but can now be purchased from Sixfields in person - thsi is on their official website....when our tickets close online Weds 12 will city make them available for a further two days from the ticket office as Norrhampton have done? This could encotage another 1000 or so last minute purchases... bantam34

12:39pm Tue 14 May 13

Dannyp1892 says...

I think the shirt looks great.

I don't have an opinion on Jack, as I was too young when he was more involved with the running of the club, but if it brings in some more money, then it's great. Has to be more than that ridiculous cut price amount MAP paid...
I think the shirt looks great. I don't have an opinion on Jack, as I was too young when he was more involved with the running of the club, but if it brings in some more money, then it's great. Has to be more than that ridiculous cut price amount MAP paid... Dannyp1892

12:41pm Tue 14 May 13

_Size3_ says...

Love the ****. Glad we are away from the hoops - they were god-awful.
Love the ****. Glad we are away from the hoops - they were god-awful. _Size3_

12:41pm Tue 14 May 13

_Size3_ says...

Sorry - I mean, love the SHIRT lol
Sorry - I mean, love the SHIRT lol _Size3_

12:59pm Tue 14 May 13

macca1969 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.
What has he taken out of City? Enlighten me
You don't no? How long you been following city since the Wigan game lol
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.[/p][/quote]What has he taken out of City? Enlighten me[/p][/quote]You don't no? How long you been following city since the Wigan game lol macca1969

1:01pm Tue 14 May 13

Stevie-C says...

why has the cost not been mentioned, either on here or the god-awful city official website? You'd have thought we'd have a more professional website given the amount of brass we've made this season. Also I will hopefully be buying a shirt before our trip to Wembley, for both me & my son - how about a little incentive i.e. buy ST for next season (which I have done months ago) and get a tenner off. or show stubs from last few home games and get a fiver off? Supporters have parted with an awful lot of brass this season, and any little saving would help. Instead to thank us for the support, the players treated us with a lap of honour on the last league game. Wow(!)
why has the cost not been mentioned, either on here or the god-awful city official website? You'd have thought we'd have a more professional website given the amount of brass we've made this season. Also I will hopefully be buying a shirt before our trip to Wembley, for both me & my son - how about a little incentive i.e. buy ST for next season (which I have done months ago) and get a tenner off. or show stubs from last few home games and get a fiver off? Supporters have parted with an awful lot of brass this season, and any little saving would help. Instead to thank us for the support, the players treated us with a lap of honour on the last league game. Wow(!) Stevie-C

1:23pm Tue 14 May 13

Waynus1971 says...

tyker2 wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote: Think I ned to see it in person before I can make an informed decision on whether I like it or not. I love the hoops and really wish we could have kept that style, perhaps with a slight modification. That said, did it even need to be changed? With a new sponsor name embazoned across the chest, that will be sufficient to make the kit 'unique' anyway. The pictures make it look yellow, not amber and this is why I need to see it in person. Can't say I'm thrilled with the design, but I agree with PCBA in that it may be a 'grower'. With PP looking increasingly likely to be off on the summer, have we designed this kit to be similar to Motherwell's in a bid to smuggle McCall back to VP?
NO
I can't believe you actually felt the need to respond. It was 'tongue-in-cheek' and not intended to be taken literally...!
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: Think I ned to see it in person before I can make an informed decision on whether I like it or not. I love the hoops and really wish we could have kept that style, perhaps with a slight modification. That said, did it even need to be changed? With a new sponsor name embazoned across the chest, that will be sufficient to make the kit 'unique' anyway. The pictures make it look yellow, not amber and this is why I need to see it in person. Can't say I'm thrilled with the design, but I agree with PCBA in that it may be a 'grower'. With PP looking increasingly likely to be off on the summer, have we designed this kit to be similar to Motherwell's in a bid to smuggle McCall back to VP?[/p][/quote]NO[/p][/quote]I can't believe you actually felt the need to respond. It was 'tongue-in-cheek' and not intended to be taken literally...! Waynus1971

1:25pm Tue 14 May 13

Farsley Bantam says...

macca1969 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
macca1969 wrote: Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.
What has he taken out of City? Enlighten me
You don't no? How long you been following city since the Wigan game lol
Most of my 25 years. I'd be interested to know what he's actually 'taken out' as you say. He's sponsored us for 12 years (including the 3 he's just signed up for) so he's put plenty in. What has he 'taken out'?
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.[/p][/quote]What has he taken out of City? Enlighten me[/p][/quote]You don't no? How long you been following city since the Wigan game lol[/p][/quote]Most of my 25 years. I'd be interested to know what he's actually 'taken out' as you say. He's sponsored us for 12 years (including the 3 he's just signed up for) so he's put plenty in. What has he 'taken out'? Farsley Bantam

1:30pm Tue 14 May 13

Waynus1971 says...

bantam34 wrote:
TICKET UPDATE: Northampton tickets have finihsed online and telehpone sales but can now be purchased from Sixfields in person - thsi is on their official website....when our tickets close online Weds 12 will city make them available for a further two days from the ticket office as Norrhampton have done? This could encotage another 1000 or so last minute purchases...
Tickets have been on sale since Bank Holiday Monday (6 May) and open to anyone since 9 May. What makes you think that by giving an extra 2 days to get to the club, we will sell another 1,000 tickets?

We need to stop this, "we are massive" clamour. We, for the size of the city and surrounding districts are very poorly supported. The P/O ticket sales sum us up. We have a core fan base of around 10,000 and have the potential of another 5-10,000 that cannot get to games these days. Add on friends/family of those already going and that's your lot. For the CoC final, all the family & friends took up their option, but they won't want to go twice. They're not mad like the rest of us....!
[quote][p][bold]bantam34[/bold] wrote: TICKET UPDATE: Northampton tickets have finihsed online and telehpone sales but can now be purchased from Sixfields in person - thsi is on their official website....when our tickets close online Weds 12 will city make them available for a further two days from the ticket office as Norrhampton have done? This could encotage another 1000 or so last minute purchases...[/p][/quote]Tickets have been on sale since Bank Holiday Monday (6 May) and open to anyone since 9 May. What makes you think that by giving an extra 2 days to get to the club, we will sell another 1,000 tickets? We need to stop this, "we are massive" clamour. We, for the size of the city and surrounding districts are very poorly supported. The P/O ticket sales sum us up. We have a core fan base of around 10,000 and have the potential of another 5-10,000 that cannot get to games these days. Add on friends/family of those already going and that's your lot. For the CoC final, all the family & friends took up their option, but they won't want to go twice. They're not mad like the rest of us....! Waynus1971

1:33pm Tue 14 May 13

Waynus1971 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
macca1969 wrote: Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.
What has he taken out of City? Enlighten me
You don't no? How long you been following city since the Wigan game lol
Most of my 25 years. I'd be interested to know what he's actually 'taken out' as you say. He's sponsored us for 12 years (including the 3 he's just signed up for) so he's put plenty in. What has he 'taken out'?
When he was Chairman (and not just a shirt sponsor), he took plenty out of this club. Remember the 'almost' season when we eventually gor beaten by 'Boro in the play-offs? We had gates of over 16,000 most weeks and then at the end of that season, we sold Hendrie, McCall and others for almost £2m. What happened to all that money, because Dolan didn't see most of it.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.[/p][/quote]What has he taken out of City? Enlighten me[/p][/quote]You don't no? How long you been following city since the Wigan game lol[/p][/quote]Most of my 25 years. I'd be interested to know what he's actually 'taken out' as you say. He's sponsored us for 12 years (including the 3 he's just signed up for) so he's put plenty in. What has he 'taken out'?[/p][/quote]When he was Chairman (and not just a shirt sponsor), he took plenty out of this club. Remember the 'almost' season when we eventually gor beaten by 'Boro in the play-offs? We had gates of over 16,000 most weeks and then at the end of that season, we sold Hendrie, McCall and others for almost £2m. What happened to all that money, because Dolan didn't see most of it. Waynus1971

1:37pm Tue 14 May 13

macca1969 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
macca1969 wrote: Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.
What has he taken out of City? Enlighten me
You don't no? How long you been following city since the Wigan game lol
Most of my 25 years. I'd be interested to know what he's actually 'taken out' as you say. He's sponsored us for 12 years (including the 3 he's just signed up for) so he's put plenty in. What has he 'taken out'?
Well how about all the brass from the McCall, Hendrie and Ormondroyd sales. For just a small percentage if those sales in investing in the two players Dolan wanted city would have made the top flight. Instead he kept his money and took plenty more in selling the stars off. Don't believe me read what McCall has to say of him. As for his sponsorship he has made his millions out if the good folk of Bradford
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.[/p][/quote]What has he taken out of City? Enlighten me[/p][/quote]You don't no? How long you been following city since the Wigan game lol[/p][/quote]Most of my 25 years. I'd be interested to know what he's actually 'taken out' as you say. He's sponsored us for 12 years (including the 3 he's just signed up for) so he's put plenty in. What has he 'taken out'?[/p][/quote]Well how about all the brass from the McCall, Hendrie and Ormondroyd sales. For just a small percentage if those sales in investing in the two players Dolan wanted city would have made the top flight. Instead he kept his money and took plenty more in selling the stars off. Don't believe me read what McCall has to say of him. As for his sponsorship he has made his millions out if the good folk of Bradford macca1969

1:40pm Tue 14 May 13

Waynus1971 says...

Stevie-C wrote:
why has the cost not been mentioned, either on here or the god-awful city official website? You'd have thought we'd have a more professional website given the amount of brass we've made this season. Also I will hopefully be buying a shirt before our trip to Wembley, for both me & my son - how about a little incentive i.e. buy ST for next season (which I have done months ago) and get a tenner off. or show stubs from last few home games and get a fiver off? Supporters have parted with an awful lot of brass this season, and any little saving would help. Instead to thank us for the support, the players treated us with a lap of honour on the last league game. Wow(!)
Do you not think you get your season ticket cheap enough? Try following one of the other local sides and you will be paying much more. Even the part-time (semi-pro clubs) will be paying around the same as us next season.

In remation to the shirts, although a fair suggestion, it isn't quite so straight forward. We don't own the club shop anymore and so most of the profits go to the subsidary of Nike. We will receive a percentage on each shirt sold, so to then start giving a £10 discout off each one, we start eating into the little profit we do earn from the shirts.

We did run a scheme a few years back, when we did own the shop, whereby if we returned an old shirt, we got a discout off the new one. As I say though, this isn't feasible anymore with not owning the shop etc.
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: why has the cost not been mentioned, either on here or the god-awful city official website? You'd have thought we'd have a more professional website given the amount of brass we've made this season. Also I will hopefully be buying a shirt before our trip to Wembley, for both me & my son - how about a little incentive i.e. buy ST for next season (which I have done months ago) and get a tenner off. or show stubs from last few home games and get a fiver off? Supporters have parted with an awful lot of brass this season, and any little saving would help. Instead to thank us for the support, the players treated us with a lap of honour on the last league game. Wow(!)[/p][/quote]Do you not think you get your season ticket cheap enough? Try following one of the other local sides and you will be paying much more. Even the part-time (semi-pro clubs) will be paying around the same as us next season. In remation to the shirts, although a fair suggestion, it isn't quite so straight forward. We don't own the club shop anymore and so most of the profits go to the subsidary of Nike. We will receive a percentage on each shirt sold, so to then start giving a £10 discout off each one, we start eating into the little profit we do earn from the shirts. We did run a scheme a few years back, when we did own the shop, whereby if we returned an old shirt, we got a discout off the new one. As I say though, this isn't feasible anymore with not owning the shop etc. Waynus1971

1:43pm Tue 14 May 13

Farsley Bantam says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
macca1969 wrote: Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.
What has he taken out of City? Enlighten me
You don't no? How long you been following city since the Wigan game lol
Most of my 25 years. I'd be interested to know what he's actually 'taken out' as you say. He's sponsored us for 12 years (including the 3 he's just signed up for) so he's put plenty in. What has he 'taken out'?
When he was Chairman (and not just a shirt sponsor), he took plenty out of this club. Remember the 'almost' season when we eventually gor beaten by 'Boro in the play-offs? We had gates of over 16,000 most weeks and then at the end of that season, we sold Hendrie, McCall and others for almost £2m. What happened to all that money, because Dolan didn't see most of it.
Fair enough. I was born in 1987 so it predates me to be fair.
Having worked for JCT in the past this only confirms what I already knew-that he's a bit of a bast@rd.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.[/p][/quote]What has he taken out of City? Enlighten me[/p][/quote]You don't no? How long you been following city since the Wigan game lol[/p][/quote]Most of my 25 years. I'd be interested to know what he's actually 'taken out' as you say. He's sponsored us for 12 years (including the 3 he's just signed up for) so he's put plenty in. What has he 'taken out'?[/p][/quote]When he was Chairman (and not just a shirt sponsor), he took plenty out of this club. Remember the 'almost' season when we eventually gor beaten by 'Boro in the play-offs? We had gates of over 16,000 most weeks and then at the end of that season, we sold Hendrie, McCall and others for almost £2m. What happened to all that money, because Dolan didn't see most of it.[/p][/quote]Fair enough. I was born in 1987 so it predates me to be fair. Having worked for JCT in the past this only confirms what I already knew-that he's a bit of a bast@rd. Farsley Bantam

1:45pm Tue 14 May 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Mr Buss wrote:
Big mistake not keeping the hoops, kit looked a class apart. Please tell me we aren't going back to crappy stripes.
The photo is the giveaway here....
[quote][p][bold]Mr Buss[/bold] wrote: Big mistake not keeping the hoops, kit looked a class apart. Please tell me we aren't going back to crappy stripes.[/p][/quote]The photo is the giveaway here.... Thee Voice of Reason

1:47pm Tue 14 May 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Can't believe how worked up some get over a kit, just like women wanting another pair of shoes.
Do we turn up to watch a fashion show or a football game.
Whi cares what the kit is like its the football that matters.
Can't believe how worked up some get over a kit, just like women wanting another pair of shoes. Do we turn up to watch a fashion show or a football game. Whi cares what the kit is like its the football that matters. Thee Voice of Reason

1:48pm Tue 14 May 13

seasonticketholder says...

Come on you YELLOWS! Looks a bit canary for me.
Come on you YELLOWS! Looks a bit canary for me. seasonticketholder

1:48pm Tue 14 May 13

Peter300 says...

tyker2 wrote:
good kit:let's hope old Jack makes up for his lack of investment in the past. WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE CATERING?
Yet another very ignorant statement from tyker2. How many more?
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: good kit:let's hope old Jack makes up for his lack of investment in the past. WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE CATERING?[/p][/quote]Yet another very ignorant statement from tyker2. How many more? Peter300

1:51pm Tue 14 May 13

Peter300 says...

macca1969 wrote:
Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.
Guess what? I can't stand you either. What do you put in?
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Prefer the hoops as they looked class. As for Jack can't stand the man and will never forgive him not backing Dolan. He has always taken more out of city than he ever put in.[/p][/quote]Guess what? I can't stand you either. What do you put in? Peter300

1:53pm Tue 14 May 13

Peter300 says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
Think I ned to see it in person before I can make an informed decision on whether I like it or not. I love the hoops and really wish we could have kept that style, perhaps with a slight modification. That said, did it even need to be changed? With a new sponsor name embazoned across the chest, that will be sufficient to make the kit 'unique' anyway. The pictures make it look yellow, not amber and this is why I need to see it in person. Can't say I'm thrilled with the design, but I agree with PCBA in that it may be a 'grower'. With PP looking increasingly likely to be off on the summer, have we designed this kit to be similar to Motherwell's in a bid to smuggle McCall back to VP?
Pensioner Waynus. You want McCall back so you can kick him out again.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: Think I ned to see it in person before I can make an informed decision on whether I like it or not. I love the hoops and really wish we could have kept that style, perhaps with a slight modification. That said, did it even need to be changed? With a new sponsor name embazoned across the chest, that will be sufficient to make the kit 'unique' anyway. The pictures make it look yellow, not amber and this is why I need to see it in person. Can't say I'm thrilled with the design, but I agree with PCBA in that it may be a 'grower'. With PP looking increasingly likely to be off on the summer, have we designed this kit to be similar to Motherwell's in a bid to smuggle McCall back to VP?[/p][/quote]Pensioner Waynus. You want McCall back so you can kick him out again. Peter300

1:54pm Tue 14 May 13

Dugoutboy says...

Stevie-C wrote:
why has the cost not been mentioned, either on here or the god-awful city official website? You'd have thought we'd have a more professional website given the amount of brass we've made this season. Also I will hopefully be buying a shirt before our trip to Wembley, for both me & my son - how about a little incentive i.e. buy ST for next season (which I have done months ago) and get a tenner off. or show stubs from last few home games and get a fiver off? Supporters have parted with an awful lot of brass this season, and any little saving would help. Instead to thank us for the support, the players treated us with a lap of honour on the last league game. Wow(!)
It is on the Official City website
Prices for the kit will be as follows:
Home Shirts:
Kids £35.00
Youths (XLB) £37.00
Adults £42.50
Home Shorts:
Kids £16.75
Youths (XLB) £17.50
Adults £18.99
Home Socks:
Kids £8.50
Adults £10
.99
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: why has the cost not been mentioned, either on here or the god-awful city official website? You'd have thought we'd have a more professional website given the amount of brass we've made this season. Also I will hopefully be buying a shirt before our trip to Wembley, for both me & my son - how about a little incentive i.e. buy ST for next season (which I have done months ago) and get a tenner off. or show stubs from last few home games and get a fiver off? Supporters have parted with an awful lot of brass this season, and any little saving would help. Instead to thank us for the support, the players treated us with a lap of honour on the last league game. Wow(!)[/p][/quote]It is on the Official City website Prices for the kit will be as follows: Home Shirts: Kids £35.00 Youths (XLB) £37.00 Adults £42.50 Home Shorts: Kids £16.75 Youths (XLB) £17.50 Adults £18.99 Home Socks: Kids £8.50 Adults £10 .99 Dugoutboy

2:02pm Tue 14 May 13

Waynus1971 says...

Stevie-C wrote:
why has the cost not been mentioned, either on here or the god-awful city official website? You'd have thought we'd have a more professional website given the amount of brass we've made this season. Also I will hopefully be buying a shirt before our trip to Wembley, for both me & my son - how about a little incentive i.e. buy ST for next season (which I have done months ago) and get a tenner off. or show stubs from last few home games and get a fiver off? Supporters have parted with an awful lot of brass this season, and any little saving would help. Instead to thank us for the support, the players treated us with a lap of honour on the last league game. Wow(!)
Ps. It does clearly state the prices on the official website;

Prices for the kit will be as follows:

Home Shirts:
Kids £35.00
Youths (XLB) £37.00
Adults £42.50

Home Shorts:
Kids £16.75
Youths (XLB) £17.50
Adults £18.99

Home Socks:
Kids £8.50
Adults £10
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: why has the cost not been mentioned, either on here or the god-awful city official website? You'd have thought we'd have a more professional website given the amount of brass we've made this season. Also I will hopefully be buying a shirt before our trip to Wembley, for both me & my son - how about a little incentive i.e. buy ST for next season (which I have done months ago) and get a tenner off. or show stubs from last few home games and get a fiver off? Supporters have parted with an awful lot of brass this season, and any little saving would help. Instead to thank us for the support, the players treated us with a lap of honour on the last league game. Wow(!)[/p][/quote]Ps. It does clearly state the prices on the official website; Prices for the kit will be as follows: Home Shirts: Kids £35.00 Youths (XLB) £37.00 Adults £42.50 Home Shorts: Kids £16.75 Youths (XLB) £17.50 Adults £18.99 Home Socks: Kids £8.50 Adults £10 Waynus1971

2:03pm Tue 14 May 13

bwwb says...

The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton.
Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault.
When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high.
As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so
His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site
The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton. Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault. When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high. As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site bwwb

2:03pm Tue 14 May 13

Rambo says...

£42.50 for adults and £35 for kids?
£10.99 and £8.50 for socks? (not that many people buy them

HAHAHAHAHAHA for something that lasts 12 months..... Ridiculous

(some gimp will probably come on and go on about cheap ST prices, totally irrelevant here)
£42.50 for adults and £35 for kids? £10.99 and £8.50 for socks? (not that many people buy them HAHAHAHAHAHA for something that lasts 12 months..... Ridiculous (some gimp will probably come on and go on about cheap ST prices, totally irrelevant here) Rambo

2:04pm Tue 14 May 13

tyker2 says...

Peter300 wrote:
tyker2 wrote:
good kit:let's hope old Jack makes up for his lack of investment in the past. WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE CATERING?
Yet another very ignorant statement from tyker2. How many more?
pot,kettle black, failed city player,failed public who just loves Wayne Jacobs. M
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: good kit:let's hope old Jack makes up for his lack of investment in the past. WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE CATERING?[/p][/quote]Yet another very ignorant statement from tyker2. How many more?[/p][/quote]pot,kettle black, failed city player,failed public who just loves Wayne Jacobs. M tyker2

2:08pm Tue 14 May 13

Waynus1971 says...

Peter300 wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
Think I ned to see it in person before I can make an informed decision on whether I like it or not. I love the hoops and really wish we could have kept that style, perhaps with a slight modification. That said, did it even need to be changed? With a new sponsor name embazoned across the chest, that will be sufficient to make the kit 'unique' anyway. The pictures make it look yellow, not amber and this is why I need to see it in person. Can't say I'm thrilled with the design, but I agree with PCBA in that it may be a 'grower'. With PP looking increasingly likely to be off on the summer, have we designed this kit to be similar to Motherwell's in a bid to smuggle McCall back to VP?
Pensioner Waynus. You want McCall back so you can kick him out again.
Peter Vile you are at it again. Where do I say I want McCall back? Yes, I wanted him out. I didn't believe he had the skills/knowledge for such a big job. My thoughts have not changed on that.

Why attack other posters all the time? Why not add some real value instead of cheap point scoring...!
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: Think I ned to see it in person before I can make an informed decision on whether I like it or not. I love the hoops and really wish we could have kept that style, perhaps with a slight modification. That said, did it even need to be changed? With a new sponsor name embazoned across the chest, that will be sufficient to make the kit 'unique' anyway. The pictures make it look yellow, not amber and this is why I need to see it in person. Can't say I'm thrilled with the design, but I agree with PCBA in that it may be a 'grower'. With PP looking increasingly likely to be off on the summer, have we designed this kit to be similar to Motherwell's in a bid to smuggle McCall back to VP?[/p][/quote]Pensioner Waynus. You want McCall back so you can kick him out again.[/p][/quote]Peter Vile you are at it again. Where do I say I want McCall back? Yes, I wanted him out. I didn't believe he had the skills/knowledge for such a big job. My thoughts have not changed on that. Why attack other posters all the time? Why not add some real value instead of cheap point scoring...! Waynus1971

2:15pm Tue 14 May 13

Waynus1971 says...

bwwb wrote:
The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton.
Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault.
When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high.
As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so
His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site
Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it.

We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.
[quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton. Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault. When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high. As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site[/p][/quote]Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it. We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth. Waynus1971

2:34pm Tue 14 May 13

Stevie-C says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
Stevie-C wrote:
why has the cost not been mentioned, either on here or the god-awful city official website? You'd have thought we'd have a more professional website given the amount of brass we've made this season. Also I will hopefully be buying a shirt before our trip to Wembley, for both me & my son - how about a little incentive i.e. buy ST for next season (which I have done months ago) and get a tenner off. or show stubs from last few home games and get a fiver off? Supporters have parted with an awful lot of brass this season, and any little saving would help. Instead to thank us for the support, the players treated us with a lap of honour on the last league game. Wow(!)
Ps. It does clearly state the prices on the official website;

Prices for the kit will be as follows:

Home Shirts:
Kids £35.00
Youths (XLB) £37.00
Adults £42.50

Home Shorts:
Kids £16.75
Youths (XLB) £17.50
Adults £18.99

Home Socks:
Kids £8.50
Adults £10
Fair enough, the prices weren't displayed when I looked this morning and I didn't check again prior to my post (my fault). However it must be said that for a 4th division side, the prices are extortionate. Its gonna cost me £77.50 for 2 pieces of cloth. Ridiculous cost to put a smile on my boys face grrrrrr
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: why has the cost not been mentioned, either on here or the god-awful city official website? You'd have thought we'd have a more professional website given the amount of brass we've made this season. Also I will hopefully be buying a shirt before our trip to Wembley, for both me & my son - how about a little incentive i.e. buy ST for next season (which I have done months ago) and get a tenner off. or show stubs from last few home games and get a fiver off? Supporters have parted with an awful lot of brass this season, and any little saving would help. Instead to thank us for the support, the players treated us with a lap of honour on the last league game. Wow(!)[/p][/quote]Ps. It does clearly state the prices on the official website; Prices for the kit will be as follows: Home Shirts: Kids £35.00 Youths (XLB) £37.00 Adults £42.50 Home Shorts: Kids £16.75 Youths (XLB) £17.50 Adults £18.99 Home Socks: Kids £8.50 Adults £10[/p][/quote]Fair enough, the prices weren't displayed when I looked this morning and I didn't check again prior to my post (my fault). However it must be said that for a 4th division side, the prices are extortionate. Its gonna cost me £77.50 for 2 pieces of cloth. Ridiculous cost to put a smile on my boys face grrrrrr Stevie-C

2:40pm Tue 14 May 13

bcfc1903 says...

Great to see Jack back with JCT600 sponsoring the club, hope the new shirt design sells well, but I've got to say I much preferred the hoops!!!! CTID
Great to see Jack back with JCT600 sponsoring the club, hope the new shirt design sells well, but I've got to say I much preferred the hoops!!!! CTID bcfc1903

2:43pm Tue 14 May 13

macca1969 says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
bwwb wrote:
The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton.
Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault.
When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high.
As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so
His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site
Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it.

We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.
Must be Jack's son, we all know had we invested in the then current team we would have gained promotion, END OF. He chose to keep his hands in his pocket and the chance was lost,team broke up and the club went downwards. As for sponsoring the shirt its just a form of advertising and I'm sure he doesn't put anymore in than he expects to get out. We all know what a tight-**** he was
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton. Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault. When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high. As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site[/p][/quote]Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it. We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.[/p][/quote]Must be Jack's son, we all know had we invested in the then current team we would have gained promotion, END OF. He chose to keep his hands in his pocket and the chance was lost,team broke up and the club went downwards. As for sponsoring the shirt its just a form of advertising and I'm sure he doesn't put anymore in than he expects to get out. We all know what a tight-**** he was macca1969

2:47pm Tue 14 May 13

bwwb says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
bwwb wrote:
The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton.
Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault.
When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high.
As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so
His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site
Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it.

We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.
McCall went for £875k Hendrie £500k
= £1.35m

Kennedy cost £275k, Banks £180k, Thomas £80k, Jewell £80k and Jackson £290k = £905k

City later received £650k for Ian Ormondroyd and spent £150k on Brian Tinnion, £75k on David Campbell and £250k on Jimmy Quinn (in exchange for Kennedy)

I should imagine signing on and signing off fees took up most of the rest

This info is available in Rothman's Football Yearbook 1987/8 and 1988/9

The other info is from Lindsay Sutton and David Markham's book "The Pain and The Glory"

It is also true that in the same book Dolan states that he had lined up Curle and Townsend but appears to blame the board for not outbidding Wimbledon, then in the first division, and fails to mention that Norwich, as a first division club also probably looked a bit more tempting to Townsend

It is also admitted by both Dolan and Tordoff that they didn't get along particularly well (but Tordoff was the boss)
Tordoff had wanted to appoint Martin O'Neill, then at Wycombe, as manager after Trevor Cherry had been (disgracefully) sacked by City in January 1997 (I do think this was Tordoff's biggest mistake)
The board voted 2-2 but Heginbotham as Chairman cast his vote for Dolan based mainly on a 5-1 victory in the FA Cup over Oldham.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton. Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault. When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high. As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site[/p][/quote]Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it. We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.[/p][/quote]McCall went for £875k Hendrie £500k = £1.35m Kennedy cost £275k, Banks £180k, Thomas £80k, Jewell £80k and Jackson £290k = £905k City later received £650k for Ian Ormondroyd and spent £150k on Brian Tinnion, £75k on David Campbell and £250k on Jimmy Quinn (in exchange for Kennedy) I should imagine signing on and signing off fees took up most of the rest This info is available in Rothman's Football Yearbook 1987/8 and 1988/9 The other info is from Lindsay Sutton and David Markham's book "The Pain and The Glory" It is also true that in the same book Dolan states that he had lined up Curle and Townsend but appears to blame the board for not outbidding Wimbledon, then in the first division, and fails to mention that Norwich, as a first division club also probably looked a bit more tempting to Townsend It is also admitted by both Dolan and Tordoff that they didn't get along particularly well (but Tordoff was the boss) Tordoff had wanted to appoint Martin O'Neill, then at Wycombe, as manager after Trevor Cherry had been (disgracefully) sacked by City in January 1997 (I do think this was Tordoff's biggest mistake) The board voted 2-2 but Heginbotham as Chairman cast his vote for Dolan based mainly on a 5-1 victory in the FA Cup over Oldham. bwwb

2:47pm Tue 14 May 13

diffident says...

Christ on a bike, it looks like it was designed by a Town fan who won a competition to design the worst kit you can think of for your local rivals.

We're a pro club that's gone to Wembley twice in one season and Nike offer us a dull as dishwater sunday morning cloggers outfit straight off the c**p for the masses production line. You can buy the same shirt for 13 quid so £42.50 for the same shirt with a City badge sewn on it seems a bit steep to me (not that I'll be buying one!).

It's dreadful and how or why the person or persons responsible for vetting this shirt thought it was a good design and/or looked good is beyond my comprehension. Who cares about the fans, money talks... again.

Mind you, it will be nice to hear 'come on you yellows, yellows' again.
Christ on a bike, it looks like it was designed by a Town fan who won a competition to design the worst kit you can think of for your local rivals. We're a pro club that's gone to Wembley twice in one season and Nike offer us a dull as dishwater sunday morning cloggers outfit straight off the c**p for the masses production line. You can buy the same shirt for 13 quid so £42.50 for the same shirt with a City badge sewn on it seems a bit steep to me (not that I'll be buying one!). It's dreadful and how or why the person or persons responsible for vetting this shirt thought it was a good design and/or looked good is beyond my comprehension. Who cares about the fans, money talks... again. Mind you, it will be nice to hear 'come on you yellows, yellows' again. diffident

2:49pm Tue 14 May 13

bcfc1903 says...

He seems to be putting cash in at the minute. CTID
He seems to be putting cash in at the minute. CTID bcfc1903

3:05pm Tue 14 May 13

Stevie-C says...

Stevie-C wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
Stevie-C wrote:
why has the cost not been mentioned, either on here or the god-awful city official website? You'd have thought we'd have a more professional website given the amount of brass we've made this season. Also I will hopefully be buying a shirt before our trip to Wembley, for both me & my son - how about a little incentive i.e. buy ST for next season (which I have done months ago) and get a tenner off. or show stubs from last few home games and get a fiver off? Supporters have parted with an awful lot of brass this season, and any little saving would help. Instead to thank us for the support, the players treated us with a lap of honour on the last league game. Wow(!)
Ps. It does clearly state the prices on the official website;

Prices for the kit will be as follows:

Home Shirts:
Kids £35.00
Youths (XLB) £37.00
Adults £42.50

Home Shorts:
Kids £16.75
Youths (XLB) £17.50
Adults £18.99

Home Socks:
Kids £8.50
Adults £10
Fair enough, the prices weren't displayed when I looked this morning and I didn't check again prior to my post (my fault). However it must be said that for a 4th division side, the prices are extortionate. Its gonna cost me £77.50 for 2 pieces of cloth. Ridiculous cost to put a smile on my boys face grrrrrr
and by the way, to put it into perspective, Wolves new shirts are £42 adults and £30 juniors. and they were 2 divisions above us a few weeks ago!
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: why has the cost not been mentioned, either on here or the god-awful city official website? You'd have thought we'd have a more professional website given the amount of brass we've made this season. Also I will hopefully be buying a shirt before our trip to Wembley, for both me & my son - how about a little incentive i.e. buy ST for next season (which I have done months ago) and get a tenner off. or show stubs from last few home games and get a fiver off? Supporters have parted with an awful lot of brass this season, and any little saving would help. Instead to thank us for the support, the players treated us with a lap of honour on the last league game. Wow(!)[/p][/quote]Ps. It does clearly state the prices on the official website; Prices for the kit will be as follows: Home Shirts: Kids £35.00 Youths (XLB) £37.00 Adults £42.50 Home Shorts: Kids £16.75 Youths (XLB) £17.50 Adults £18.99 Home Socks: Kids £8.50 Adults £10[/p][/quote]Fair enough, the prices weren't displayed when I looked this morning and I didn't check again prior to my post (my fault). However it must be said that for a 4th division side, the prices are extortionate. Its gonna cost me £77.50 for 2 pieces of cloth. Ridiculous cost to put a smile on my boys face grrrrrr[/p][/quote]and by the way, to put it into perspective, Wolves new shirts are £42 adults and £30 juniors. and they were 2 divisions above us a few weeks ago! Stevie-C

3:10pm Tue 14 May 13

bwwb says...

macca1969 wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
bwwb wrote:
The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton.
Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault.
When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high.
As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so
His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site
Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it.

We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.
Must be Jack's son, we all know had we invested in the then current team we would have gained promotion, END OF. He chose to keep his hands in his pocket and the chance was lost,team broke up and the club went downwards. As for sponsoring the shirt its just a form of advertising and I'm sure he doesn't put anymore in than he expects to get out. We all know what a tight-**** he was
If you believe that the signing of Curle and Townsend was possible whilst we were in Division 2 and Wimbledon and Norwich (who bought them) were in Division 1 you are diluded. No doubt you would expect Zaha to reject Man United if City were sniffing around.

You obviously know very little about the club you claim to support. You haven't a clue about who ensured Bradford City survived after Bob Martin bankrupted the club and who made sure City returned to Valley Parade after the fire.

I don't know Jack Tordoff but without him (and Stafford Heginbotham) I wouldn't have a club to support
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton. Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault. When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high. As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site[/p][/quote]Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it. We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.[/p][/quote]Must be Jack's son, we all know had we invested in the then current team we would have gained promotion, END OF. He chose to keep his hands in his pocket and the chance was lost,team broke up and the club went downwards. As for sponsoring the shirt its just a form of advertising and I'm sure he doesn't put anymore in than he expects to get out. We all know what a tight-**** he was[/p][/quote]If you believe that the signing of Curle and Townsend was possible whilst we were in Division 2 and Wimbledon and Norwich (who bought them) were in Division 1 you are diluded. No doubt you would expect Zaha to reject Man United if City were sniffing around. You obviously know very little about the club you claim to support. You haven't a clue about who ensured Bradford City survived after Bob Martin bankrupted the club and who made sure City returned to Valley Parade after the fire. I don't know Jack Tordoff but without him (and Stafford Heginbotham) I wouldn't have a club to support bwwb

3:33pm Tue 14 May 13

bcfc1903 says...

Yeah, I've always been a fan of Jack and JCT600, so much so I've bought new vans at his dealerships. Like i said previously, good to have him back onboard sponsoring the club. I've no doubt it'll be a better deal for BCFC having a supporter with his business JCT600 on the shirt. CTID
Yeah, I've always been a fan of Jack and JCT600, so much so I've bought new vans at his dealerships. Like i said previously, good to have him back onboard sponsoring the club. I've no doubt it'll be a better deal for BCFC having a supporter with his business JCT600 on the shirt. CTID bcfc1903

3:35pm Tue 14 May 13

nigel007 says...

The new kit is HIDEOUS!! Bring back the hoops. Remember how many years Celtic had the hoops....We have one of the most standout unique kits in the world and now we revert back to the same old **** shirts like every other team out there.
The new kit is HIDEOUS!! Bring back the hoops. Remember how many years Celtic had the hoops....We have one of the most standout unique kits in the world and now we revert back to the same old **** shirts like every other team out there. nigel007

3:41pm Tue 14 May 13

Waynus1971 says...

Stevie-C wrote:
Stevie-C wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
Stevie-C wrote: why has the cost not been mentioned, either on here or the god-awful city official website? You'd have thought we'd have a more professional website given the amount of brass we've made this season. Also I will hopefully be buying a shirt before our trip to Wembley, for both me & my son - how about a little incentive i.e. buy ST for next season (which I have done months ago) and get a tenner off. or show stubs from last few home games and get a fiver off? Supporters have parted with an awful lot of brass this season, and any little saving would help. Instead to thank us for the support, the players treated us with a lap of honour on the last league game. Wow(!)
Ps. It does clearly state the prices on the official website; Prices for the kit will be as follows: Home Shirts: Kids £35.00 Youths (XLB) £37.00 Adults £42.50 Home Shorts: Kids £16.75 Youths (XLB) £17.50 Adults £18.99 Home Socks: Kids £8.50 Adults £10
Fair enough, the prices weren't displayed when I looked this morning and I didn't check again prior to my post (my fault). However it must be said that for a 4th division side, the prices are extortionate. Its gonna cost me £77.50 for 2 pieces of cloth. Ridiculous cost to put a smile on my boys face grrrrrr
and by the way, to put it into perspective, Wolves new shirts are £42 adults and £30 juniors. and they were 2 divisions above us a few weeks ago!
I don't disagree with you that kits are too pricey and that fans get taken for a ride every season. This has been a long-running argument for years.

However, what difference does a league position make? It will still be sourced by the same company (if they use the same company/subsidary of Nike), the cost of materials etc. Why should it matter if the team playing in the kit are in the Premier League or League2? The cost of producing the shirt won't be any different
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: why has the cost not been mentioned, either on here or the god-awful city official website? You'd have thought we'd have a more professional website given the amount of brass we've made this season. Also I will hopefully be buying a shirt before our trip to Wembley, for both me & my son - how about a little incentive i.e. buy ST for next season (which I have done months ago) and get a tenner off. or show stubs from last few home games and get a fiver off? Supporters have parted with an awful lot of brass this season, and any little saving would help. Instead to thank us for the support, the players treated us with a lap of honour on the last league game. Wow(!)[/p][/quote]Ps. It does clearly state the prices on the official website; Prices for the kit will be as follows: Home Shirts: Kids £35.00 Youths (XLB) £37.00 Adults £42.50 Home Shorts: Kids £16.75 Youths (XLB) £17.50 Adults £18.99 Home Socks: Kids £8.50 Adults £10[/p][/quote]Fair enough, the prices weren't displayed when I looked this morning and I didn't check again prior to my post (my fault). However it must be said that for a 4th division side, the prices are extortionate. Its gonna cost me £77.50 for 2 pieces of cloth. Ridiculous cost to put a smile on my boys face grrrrrr[/p][/quote]and by the way, to put it into perspective, Wolves new shirts are £42 adults and £30 juniors. and they were 2 divisions above us a few weeks ago![/p][/quote]I don't disagree with you that kits are too pricey and that fans get taken for a ride every season. This has been a long-running argument for years. However, what difference does a league position make? It will still be sourced by the same company (if they use the same company/subsidary of Nike), the cost of materials etc. Why should it matter if the team playing in the kit are in the Premier League or League2? The cost of producing the shirt won't be any different Waynus1971

3:45pm Tue 14 May 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

We were points clear at the top that Christmas, Dolan asked for those two players to bolster his squad and was told, 'you are where you are wit the squad you have, we don't need to spend on more players' nothing to do with the players preferring other clubs, we were not funded to even try lure them here.

We then went on to not pick up any points until late January which saw us fall out of the auto spots and scrambled around for more points for the next month and a half. The time was right for squad strengthening, it didn't happen and it was Tordoff's doing it didn't happen.
We were points clear at the top that Christmas, Dolan asked for those two players to bolster his squad and was told, 'you are where you are wit the squad you have, we don't need to spend on more players' nothing to do with the players preferring other clubs, we were not funded to even try lure them here. We then went on to not pick up any points until late January which saw us fall out of the auto spots and scrambled around for more points for the next month and a half. The time was right for squad strengthening, it didn't happen and it was Tordoff's doing it didn't happen. Prisoner Cell Block A

3:52pm Tue 14 May 13

bcfc1903 says...

It's all water under the bridge, you could just as easily point out that without Tordoff and others BCFC would have gone out of business, so half empty or half full....personally i'd rather have a club and i'd thank him for that. CTID
It's all water under the bridge, you could just as easily point out that without Tordoff and others BCFC would have gone out of business, so half empty or half full....personally i'd rather have a club and i'd thank him for that. CTID bcfc1903

4:00pm Tue 14 May 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

That is grudgingly true bcfc1903....but I sincerely doubt that the club would have folded, same as the scares over the last ten years, someone would have come in if it hadn't been 'I'm alright Jack'
That is grudgingly true bcfc1903....but I sincerely doubt that the club would have folded, same as the scares over the last ten years, someone would have come in if it hadn't been 'I'm alright Jack' Prisoner Cell Block A

4:06pm Tue 14 May 13

macca1969 says...

bwwb wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
bwwb wrote:
The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton.
Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault.
When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high.
As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so
His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site
Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it.

We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.
Must be Jack's son, we all know had we invested in the then current team we would have gained promotion, END OF. He chose to keep his hands in his pocket and the chance was lost,team broke up and the club went downwards. As for sponsoring the shirt its just a form of advertising and I'm sure he doesn't put anymore in than he expects to get out. We all know what a tight-**** he was
If you believe that the signing of Curle and Townsend was possible whilst we were in Division 2 and Wimbledon and Norwich (who bought them) were in Division 1 you are diluded. No doubt you would expect Zaha to reject Man United if City were sniffing around.

You obviously know very little about the club you claim to support. You haven't a clue about who ensured Bradford City survived after Bob Martin bankrupted the club and who made sure City returned to Valley Parade after the fire.

I don't know Jack Tordoff but without him (and Stafford Heginbotham) I wouldn't have a club to support
I know enough about the club I love to say from what has been said by the likes of Dolan, McCall etc that had we had strengthen the team at Christmas whilst on top we would have seen the job through.
[quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton. Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault. When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high. As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site[/p][/quote]Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it. We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.[/p][/quote]Must be Jack's son, we all know had we invested in the then current team we would have gained promotion, END OF. He chose to keep his hands in his pocket and the chance was lost,team broke up and the club went downwards. As for sponsoring the shirt its just a form of advertising and I'm sure he doesn't put anymore in than he expects to get out. We all know what a tight-**** he was[/p][/quote]If you believe that the signing of Curle and Townsend was possible whilst we were in Division 2 and Wimbledon and Norwich (who bought them) were in Division 1 you are diluded. No doubt you would expect Zaha to reject Man United if City were sniffing around. You obviously know very little about the club you claim to support. You haven't a clue about who ensured Bradford City survived after Bob Martin bankrupted the club and who made sure City returned to Valley Parade after the fire. I don't know Jack Tordoff but without him (and Stafford Heginbotham) I wouldn't have a club to support[/p][/quote]I know enough about the club I love to say from what has been said by the likes of Dolan, McCall etc that had we had strengthen the team at Christmas whilst on top we would have seen the job through. macca1969

4:20pm Tue 14 May 13

bcfc1903 says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
That is grudgingly true bcfc1903....but I sincerely doubt that the club would have folded, same as the scares over the last ten years, someone would have come in if it hadn't been 'I'm alright Jack'
I think Jack's always had our back.

**
There were other factors at play in the nearly season, you may remember this game PCBA......

I was at Main Road in the nearly season when the MCFC goalkeeper got John Hendrie sent off, BCFC were leading 2-1 at the time but it ended 2-2, the ref was a Boro fan, Hendrie missed the vital Ipswich game as he was suspended..That decision had a big bearing on BCFC not getting automatic promotion, yes a couple of quality players would have made a difference but it seemed odd that a Boro fan was in charge of such a crucial game. CTID
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: That is grudgingly true bcfc1903....but I sincerely doubt that the club would have folded, same as the scares over the last ten years, someone would have come in if it hadn't been 'I'm alright Jack'[/p][/quote]I think Jack's always had our back. ** There were other factors at play in the nearly season, you may remember this game PCBA...... I was at Main Road in the nearly season when the MCFC goalkeeper got John Hendrie sent off, BCFC were leading 2-1 at the time but it ended 2-2, the ref was a Boro fan, Hendrie missed the vital Ipswich game as he was suspended..That decision had a big bearing on BCFC not getting automatic promotion, yes a couple of quality players would have made a difference but it seemed odd that a Boro fan was in charge of such a crucial game. CTID bcfc1903

4:20pm Tue 14 May 13

bantam34 says...

KIT PRICES = Ridiculous! I have two kids so for me to buy them both a kit and myself a shirt will cost £170 - thats nearly my season ticket for next year so no thanks city! Ridiculous kids prices
KIT PRICES = Ridiculous! I have two kids so for me to buy them both a kit and myself a shirt will cost £170 - thats nearly my season ticket for next year so no thanks city! Ridiculous kids prices bantam34

4:40pm Tue 14 May 13

bwwb says...

macca1969 wrote:
bwwb wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
bwwb wrote:
The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton.
Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault.
When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high.
As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so
His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site
Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it.

We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.
Must be Jack's son, we all know had we invested in the then current team we would have gained promotion, END OF. He chose to keep his hands in his pocket and the chance was lost,team broke up and the club went downwards. As for sponsoring the shirt its just a form of advertising and I'm sure he doesn't put anymore in than he expects to get out. We all know what a tight-**** he was
If you believe that the signing of Curle and Townsend was possible whilst we were in Division 2 and Wimbledon and Norwich (who bought them) were in Division 1 you are diluded. No doubt you would expect Zaha to reject Man United if City were sniffing around.

You obviously know very little about the club you claim to support. You haven't a clue about who ensured Bradford City survived after Bob Martin bankrupted the club and who made sure City returned to Valley Parade after the fire.

I don't know Jack Tordoff but without him (and Stafford Heginbotham) I wouldn't have a club to support
I know enough about the club I love to say from what has been said by the likes of Dolan, McCall etc that had we had strengthen the team at Christmas whilst on top we would have seen the job through.
Just because McCall and Dolan say something doesn't make it true and certainly does not give you the right to slag off Jack Tordoff.
In the first 14 games after Tordoff became Chairman City won 8 drew 5 and lost 1
It is unlikely you can point to a better end of season performance in the history of the club - even 1998/9 was no better
The team was virtually unchanged
Tomlinson, Mitchell, Goddard, McCall, Oliver, Hendrie, Sinnott, Futcher, Ormondroyd and Kennedy with occasional appearances by Abbot and Leonard.
Both Townsend and Curle played in Midfield so either McCall or more likely Evans and or Sinnott or Kennedy would have been replaced - but who would you have dropped ?
The same team played at Aston Villa when a draw would have been sufficient to get promotion. They lost 0-1
Hendrie was suspended for the Ipswich match and was replaced by Leonard - once again a draw would have done - we lost 2-3
Hendrie was never going to be replaced by a signing in January 1988 so who would you have played ?
We murdered Middlesbrough in the play off first leg and should have been out of sight - unfortunately we only won 2-1 and suffered an extra time defeat at Ayresome Park- Even you would have picked the same team for the second leg
So exactly how would extra signing have made any difference ?
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton. Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault. When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high. As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site[/p][/quote]Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it. We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.[/p][/quote]Must be Jack's son, we all know had we invested in the then current team we would have gained promotion, END OF. He chose to keep his hands in his pocket and the chance was lost,team broke up and the club went downwards. As for sponsoring the shirt its just a form of advertising and I'm sure he doesn't put anymore in than he expects to get out. We all know what a tight-**** he was[/p][/quote]If you believe that the signing of Curle and Townsend was possible whilst we were in Division 2 and Wimbledon and Norwich (who bought them) were in Division 1 you are diluded. No doubt you would expect Zaha to reject Man United if City were sniffing around. You obviously know very little about the club you claim to support. You haven't a clue about who ensured Bradford City survived after Bob Martin bankrupted the club and who made sure City returned to Valley Parade after the fire. I don't know Jack Tordoff but without him (and Stafford Heginbotham) I wouldn't have a club to support[/p][/quote]I know enough about the club I love to say from what has been said by the likes of Dolan, McCall etc that had we had strengthen the team at Christmas whilst on top we would have seen the job through.[/p][/quote]Just because McCall and Dolan say something doesn't make it true and certainly does not give you the right to slag off Jack Tordoff. In the first 14 games after Tordoff became Chairman City won 8 drew 5 and lost 1 It is unlikely you can point to a better end of season performance in the history of the club - even 1998/9 was no better The team was virtually unchanged Tomlinson, Mitchell, Goddard, McCall, Oliver, Hendrie, Sinnott, Futcher, Ormondroyd and Kennedy with occasional appearances by Abbot and Leonard. Both Townsend and Curle played in Midfield so either McCall or more likely Evans and or Sinnott or Kennedy would have been replaced - but who would you have dropped ? The same team played at Aston Villa when a draw would have been sufficient to get promotion. They lost 0-1 Hendrie was suspended for the Ipswich match and was replaced by Leonard - once again a draw would have done - we lost 2-3 Hendrie was never going to be replaced by a signing in January 1988 so who would you have played ? We murdered Middlesbrough in the play off first leg and should have been out of sight - unfortunately we only won 2-1 and suffered an extra time defeat at Ayresome Park- Even you would have picked the same team for the second leg So exactly how would extra signing have made any difference ? bwwb

4:48pm Tue 14 May 13

bwwb says...

Apologies to Dave Evans I missed him out from the 11 who I listed as playing in the 1987/8 team
The defeat by the way was at home to Huddersfield who were bottom of the league and going down
Obviously this was the one game when several new signings would have made a difference.
Apologies to Dave Evans I missed him out from the 11 who I listed as playing in the 1987/8 team The defeat by the way was at home to Huddersfield who were bottom of the league and going down Obviously this was the one game when several new signings would have made a difference. bwwb

4:54pm Tue 14 May 13

jackez20591 says...

slaphead10 wrote:
Great to see Jack on board again but very very sad that once again there is no black in the strip, we have just had the 28th Aniversary and three days later we see a strip bereft of any reminders of what this club and its supporters have gone through.
I'm sorry but even as a lifelong supporter I will not buy a shirt that forgets this fact, it's time this club stood up to the likes of Nike and told them what we want, not their marketing department.
Paul Donnelly
2 Brownroyd Fold
BD5 9AJ
07956562165
The black ribbon on the back is the black. Same as before.

And why do you think you have to tell Nike, they are manufactures, Bradford City are the ones who order the kit and confirm it.

Not quite sure why you are posting up your address on a comment section
[quote][p][bold]slaphead10[/bold] wrote: Great to see Jack on board again but very very sad that once again there is no black in the strip, we have just had the 28th Aniversary and three days later we see a strip bereft of any reminders of what this club and its supporters have gone through. I'm sorry but even as a lifelong supporter I will not buy a shirt that forgets this fact, it's time this club stood up to the likes of Nike and told them what we want, not their marketing department. Paul Donnelly 2 Brownroyd Fold BD5 9AJ 07956562165[/p][/quote]The black ribbon on the back is the black. Same as before. And why do you think you have to tell Nike, they are manufactures, Bradford City are the ones who order the kit and confirm it. Not quite sure why you are posting up your address on a comment section jackez20591

4:58pm Tue 14 May 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
That is grudgingly true bcfc1903....but I sincerely doubt that the club would have folded, same as the scares over the last ten years, someone would have come in if it hadn't been 'I'm alright Jack'
I think Jack's always had our back.

**
There were other factors at play in the nearly season, you may remember this game PCBA......

I was at Main Road in the nearly season when the MCFC goalkeeper got John Hendrie sent off, BCFC were leading 2-1 at the time but it ended 2-2, the ref was a Boro fan, Hendrie missed the vital Ipswich game as he was suspended..That decision had a big bearing on BCFC not getting automatic promotion, yes a couple of quality players would have made a difference but it seemed odd that a Boro fan was in charge of such a crucial game. CTID
Wasn't at the game and actually wasn't aware that the ref was a boro fan, I do remember Hendrie being walked and missing following games.

As you say, many factors go into making a season, it's all water under the bridge I suppose now, time to move on and accept what is on offer.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: That is grudgingly true bcfc1903....but I sincerely doubt that the club would have folded, same as the scares over the last ten years, someone would have come in if it hadn't been 'I'm alright Jack'[/p][/quote]I think Jack's always had our back. ** There were other factors at play in the nearly season, you may remember this game PCBA...... I was at Main Road in the nearly season when the MCFC goalkeeper got John Hendrie sent off, BCFC were leading 2-1 at the time but it ended 2-2, the ref was a Boro fan, Hendrie missed the vital Ipswich game as he was suspended..That decision had a big bearing on BCFC not getting automatic promotion, yes a couple of quality players would have made a difference but it seemed odd that a Boro fan was in charge of such a crucial game. CTID[/p][/quote]Wasn't at the game and actually wasn't aware that the ref was a boro fan, I do remember Hendrie being walked and missing following games. As you say, many factors go into making a season, it's all water under the bridge I suppose now, time to move on and accept what is on offer. Prisoner Cell Block A

5:02pm Tue 14 May 13

Birky_Neil says...

I was hoping city would of sold more tickets than they have but not over yet.
There are a lot of people who cannot afford it.
It's not the ticket it's the travel that costs loads.
Why don't city lay on a convoy of coaches and charge £5 or something to fans who buy tickets in the coming days to get a few more bums on seats.
I was hoping city would of sold more tickets than they have but not over yet. There are a lot of people who cannot afford it. It's not the ticket it's the travel that costs loads. Why don't city lay on a convoy of coaches and charge £5 or something to fans who buy tickets in the coming days to get a few more bums on seats. Birky_Neil

6:25pm Tue 14 May 13

bobbyo says...

Own goal methinks, shame it has to be changed from the popular worldwide known hoops, and has been a lucky kit, darned agreements !! C.T.I.D
Own goal methinks, shame it has to be changed from the popular worldwide known hoops, and has been a lucky kit, darned agreements !! C.T.I.D bobbyo

6:47pm Tue 14 May 13

glorious1911 says...

Why don't we keep the hoops as a strip for cup games? It is the away shirt that winds me up after some of the awful away kit combinations we have had to suffer, the anonymous gold shirts being a case in point. Our original colours were c, a and white and our traditional away kit was white / black. Surely we could have a white shirt with subtle c & a edging as an away strip so that the team can always wear c & a in some combination. It would have been far more dignified to wear that at Wembley than the awful gold strip also worn by pub teams.
Why don't we keep the hoops as a strip for cup games? It is the away shirt that winds me up after some of the awful away kit combinations we have had to suffer, the anonymous gold shirts being a case in point. Our original colours were c, a and white and our traditional away kit was white / black. Surely we could have a white shirt with subtle c & a edging as an away strip so that the team can always wear c & a in some combination. It would have been far more dignified to wear that at Wembley than the awful gold strip also worn by pub teams. glorious1911

7:44pm Tue 14 May 13

Mick, Cleckheaton says...

bwwb wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
bwwb wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
bwwb wrote:
The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton.
Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault.
When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high.
As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so
His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site
Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it.

We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.
Must be Jack's son, we all know had we invested in the then current team we would have gained promotion, END OF. He chose to keep his hands in his pocket and the chance was lost,team broke up and the club went downwards. As for sponsoring the shirt its just a form of advertising and I'm sure he doesn't put anymore in than he expects to get out. We all know what a tight-**** he was
If you believe that the signing of Curle and Townsend was possible whilst we were in Division 2 and Wimbledon and Norwich (who bought them) were in Division 1 you are diluded. No doubt you would expect Zaha to reject Man United if City were sniffing around.

You obviously know very little about the club you claim to support. You haven't a clue about who ensured Bradford City survived after Bob Martin bankrupted the club and who made sure City returned to Valley Parade after the fire.

I don't know Jack Tordoff but without him (and Stafford Heginbotham) I wouldn't have a club to support
I know enough about the club I love to say from what has been said by the likes of Dolan, McCall etc that had we had strengthen the team at Christmas whilst on top we would have seen the job through.
Just because McCall and Dolan say something doesn't make it true and certainly does not give you the right to slag off Jack Tordoff.
In the first 14 games after Tordoff became Chairman City won 8 drew 5 and lost 1
It is unlikely you can point to a better end of season performance in the history of the club - even 1998/9 was no better
The team was virtually unchanged
Tomlinson, Mitchell, Goddard, McCall, Oliver, Hendrie, Sinnott, Futcher, Ormondroyd and Kennedy with occasional appearances by Abbot and Leonard.
Both Townsend and Curle played in Midfield so either McCall or more likely Evans and or Sinnott or Kennedy would have been replaced - but who would you have dropped ?
The same team played at Aston Villa when a draw would have been sufficient to get promotion. They lost 0-1
Hendrie was suspended for the Ipswich match and was replaced by Leonard - once again a draw would have done - we lost 2-3
Hendrie was never going to be replaced by a signing in January 1988 so who would you have played ?
We murdered Middlesbrough in the play off first leg and should have been out of sight - unfortunately we only won 2-1 and suffered an extra time defeat at Ayresome Park- Even you would have picked the same team for the second leg
So exactly how would extra signing have made any difference ?
Makes a nice change to have someone with intelligence on this site who actually understands what he is talking about. There are too many on here who wish to rewrite history, The facts as you present them certainly tally with my understanding of the Dolan/Tordoff years.

I also like the shirt. The hoops were one of the worst kits during my 50+ years as a supporter.
[quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton. Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault. When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high. As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site[/p][/quote]Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it. We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.[/p][/quote]Must be Jack's son, we all know had we invested in the then current team we would have gained promotion, END OF. He chose to keep his hands in his pocket and the chance was lost,team broke up and the club went downwards. As for sponsoring the shirt its just a form of advertising and I'm sure he doesn't put anymore in than he expects to get out. We all know what a tight-**** he was[/p][/quote]If you believe that the signing of Curle and Townsend was possible whilst we were in Division 2 and Wimbledon and Norwich (who bought them) were in Division 1 you are diluded. No doubt you would expect Zaha to reject Man United if City were sniffing around. You obviously know very little about the club you claim to support. You haven't a clue about who ensured Bradford City survived after Bob Martin bankrupted the club and who made sure City returned to Valley Parade after the fire. I don't know Jack Tordoff but without him (and Stafford Heginbotham) I wouldn't have a club to support[/p][/quote]I know enough about the club I love to say from what has been said by the likes of Dolan, McCall etc that had we had strengthen the team at Christmas whilst on top we would have seen the job through.[/p][/quote]Just because McCall and Dolan say something doesn't make it true and certainly does not give you the right to slag off Jack Tordoff. In the first 14 games after Tordoff became Chairman City won 8 drew 5 and lost 1 It is unlikely you can point to a better end of season performance in the history of the club - even 1998/9 was no better The team was virtually unchanged Tomlinson, Mitchell, Goddard, McCall, Oliver, Hendrie, Sinnott, Futcher, Ormondroyd and Kennedy with occasional appearances by Abbot and Leonard. Both Townsend and Curle played in Midfield so either McCall or more likely Evans and or Sinnott or Kennedy would have been replaced - but who would you have dropped ? The same team played at Aston Villa when a draw would have been sufficient to get promotion. They lost 0-1 Hendrie was suspended for the Ipswich match and was replaced by Leonard - once again a draw would have done - we lost 2-3 Hendrie was never going to be replaced by a signing in January 1988 so who would you have played ? We murdered Middlesbrough in the play off first leg and should have been out of sight - unfortunately we only won 2-1 and suffered an extra time defeat at Ayresome Park- Even you would have picked the same team for the second leg So exactly how would extra signing have made any difference ?[/p][/quote]Makes a nice change to have someone with intelligence on this site who actually understands what he is talking about. There are too many on here who wish to rewrite history, The facts as you present them certainly tally with my understanding of the Dolan/Tordoff years. I also like the shirt. The hoops were one of the worst kits during my 50+ years as a supporter. Mick, Cleckheaton

8:15pm Tue 14 May 13

Victor Clayton says...

I don't think that we, bcfc are in a position to turn our nose up to any investment. Cheers Jack.
I don't think that we, bcfc are in a position to turn our nose up to any investment. Cheers Jack. Victor Clayton

8:34pm Tue 14 May 13

Dunn one2 says...

He makes a lot of money because he knows what he is doing and I have been there when jack and Stafford have been in charge, I even painted tebro toys mill top to bottom and I only got the job because I was a city fan , like people have said he puts his cash in and has to take things out like overheads how much do they take from Liverpool and Man U sponsors and directors can only do so much think if you had the money to invest what would you want out of it ,nothing I don't think so
He makes a lot of money because he knows what he is doing and I have been there when jack and Stafford have been in charge, I even painted tebro toys mill top to bottom and I only got the job because I was a city fan , like people have said he puts his cash in and has to take things out like overheads how much do they take from Liverpool and Man U sponsors and directors can only do so much think if you had the money to invest what would you want out of it ,nothing I don't think so Dunn one2

8:35pm Tue 14 May 13

Dunn one2 says...

He makes a lot of money because he knows what he is doing and I have been there when jack and Stafford have been in charge, I even painted tebro toys mill top to bottom and I only got the job because I was a city fan , like people have said he puts his cash in and has to take things out like overheads how much do they take from Liverpool and Man U sponsors and directors can only do so much think if you had the money to invest what would you want out of it ,nothing I don't think so
He makes a lot of money because he knows what he is doing and I have been there when jack and Stafford have been in charge, I even painted tebro toys mill top to bottom and I only got the job because I was a city fan , like people have said he puts his cash in and has to take things out like overheads how much do they take from Liverpool and Man U sponsors and directors can only do so much think if you had the money to invest what would you want out of it ,nothing I don't think so Dunn one2

8:35pm Tue 14 May 13

Dunn one2 says...

He makes a lot of money because he knows what he is doing and I have been there when jack and Stafford have been in charge, I even painted tebro toys mill top to bottom and I only got the job because I was a city fan , like people have said he puts his cash in and has to take things out like overheads how much do they take from Liverpool and Man U sponsors and directors can only do so much think if you had the money to invest what would you want out of it ,nothing I don't think so
He makes a lot of money because he knows what he is doing and I have been there when jack and Stafford have been in charge, I even painted tebro toys mill top to bottom and I only got the job because I was a city fan , like people have said he puts his cash in and has to take things out like overheads how much do they take from Liverpool and Man U sponsors and directors can only do so much think if you had the money to invest what would you want out of it ,nothing I don't think so Dunn one2

8:35pm Tue 14 May 13

Dunn one2 says...

He makes a lot of money because he knows what he is doing and I have been there when jack and Stafford have been in charge, I even painted tebro toys mill top to bottom and I only got the job because I was a city fan , like people have said he puts his cash in and has to take things out like overheads how much do they take from Liverpool and Man U sponsors and directors can only do so much think if you had the money to invest what would you want out of it ,nothing I don't think so
He makes a lot of money because he knows what he is doing and I have been there when jack and Stafford have been in charge, I even painted tebro toys mill top to bottom and I only got the job because I was a city fan , like people have said he puts his cash in and has to take things out like overheads how much do they take from Liverpool and Man U sponsors and directors can only do so much think if you had the money to invest what would you want out of it ,nothing I don't think so Dunn one2

10:35pm Tue 14 May 13

lonniejockstrap says...

Yet again we have some disgraceful comments made about people who have risked a lot of their money and put so much of their valuable time to try to help this Club of ours. How can some people be so ungrateful? I just do not understand how people can respond in such a way to somebody sponsoring the Club that he supports. WTF is going on when people can find negatives to bring up when such a positive event has taken place.

Jack Tordoff could only go so far when investing in players etc. Some people on here are never happy with what the Chairmen try to achieve. Even when they have put millions of their own cash into the Club.

And yes I was at Main Rd and Airesome Park that year. If there was no risk and we were guaranteed to go up with some big spending I am sure JT would have gone for it, who wouldn't?

There are a lot of people on here that are quick to tell people (Chairmen) how to risk their hard earned cash and quick to criticise them for overspending on budgets in the next breath. Oh I could have such fun quoting some past posts from some of JT's critics.

What was Dave Baldwin saying earlier about our Club being a family? Pity so many of our fans appear to have become estranged members of the family!

Thanks for your good work as Chairmen in the past and your future sponsorship JT, it is very much appreciated by me.
Yet again we have some disgraceful comments made about people who have risked a lot of their money and put so much of their valuable time to try to help this Club of ours. How can some people be so ungrateful? I just do not understand how people can respond in such a way to somebody sponsoring the Club that he supports. WTF is going on when people can find negatives to bring up when such a positive event has taken place. Jack Tordoff could only go so far when investing in players etc. Some people on here are never happy with what the Chairmen try to achieve. Even when they have put millions of their own cash into the Club. And yes I was at Main Rd and Airesome Park that year. If there was no risk and we were guaranteed to go up with some big spending I am sure JT would have gone for it, who wouldn't? There are a lot of people on here that are quick to tell people (Chairmen) how to risk their hard earned cash and quick to criticise them for overspending on budgets in the next breath. Oh I could have such fun quoting some past posts from some of JT's critics. What was Dave Baldwin saying earlier about our Club being a family? Pity so many of our fans appear to have become estranged members of the family! Thanks for your good work as Chairmen in the past and your future sponsorship JT, it is very much appreciated by me. lonniejockstrap

1:41am Wed 15 May 13

Scuba Dee says...

Just an idea for the away kit ...... reverse the colours.

I still prefer the hoops, old school class.
Just an idea for the away kit ...... reverse the colours. I still prefer the hoops, old school class. Scuba Dee

3:43am Wed 15 May 13

karlsointment says...

Maybe this bodes well. A great kit replaced by a not so great kit...In 98/99 we had two of the best kits we've ever had (home & away) and they were replaced by one of the worst kits we've ever had! (not even proper City colours) but we were promoted - hopefully the same will happen this year...
Maybe this bodes well. A great kit replaced by a not so great kit...In 98/99 we had two of the best kits we've ever had (home & away) and they were replaced by one of the worst kits we've ever had! (not even proper City colours) but we were promoted - hopefully the same will happen this year... karlsointment

6:34am Wed 15 May 13

tyker2 says...

I know Brain Mitchell well and he told me financial terms had been agreed with Curle and Townsend but Tordoff refused to sanction the deals.
I know Brain Mitchell well and he told me financial terms had been agreed with Curle and Townsend but Tordoff refused to sanction the deals. tyker2

8:36am Wed 15 May 13

macca1969 says...

tyker2 wrote:
I know Brain Mitchell well and he told me financial terms had been agreed with Curle and Townsend but Tordoff refused to sanction the deals.
I know Townsend has said he agreed to come to city but the deal fell through at our end. The Premiership had not started in them days and players were not as desperate to chase the riches in them days. Clubs like Norwich and Wimbledon at the time had not that much more money than we had. Only when the premier league started did the silly money come in. Players were tied to their clubs in contract and out so clubs were always in control of them,that included paying what they wanted and not the silly amounts around today.
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: I know Brain Mitchell well and he told me financial terms had been agreed with Curle and Townsend but Tordoff refused to sanction the deals.[/p][/quote]I know Townsend has said he agreed to come to city but the deal fell through at our end. The Premiership had not started in them days and players were not as desperate to chase the riches in them days. Clubs like Norwich and Wimbledon at the time had not that much more money than we had. Only when the premier league started did the silly money come in. Players were tied to their clubs in contract and out so clubs were always in control of them,that included paying what they wanted and not the silly amounts around today. macca1969

11:34am Wed 15 May 13

shoesmaker4 says...

going back to the new kit i think white shorts with claret piping down the sides would look great wot does enyone else think
going back to the new kit i think white shorts with claret piping down the sides would look great wot does enyone else think shoesmaker4

12:19pm Wed 15 May 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Here is the drop off of our form in that season look at the downward trend from 20 matches onwards

http://www.statto.co
m/football/teams/bra
dford-city/1987-1988
Here is the drop off of our form in that season look at the downward trend from 20 matches onwards http://www.statto.co m/football/teams/bra dford-city/1987-1988 Prisoner Cell Block A

12:32pm Wed 15 May 13

Waynus1971 says...

bwwb wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
bwwb wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
bwwb wrote: The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton. Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault. When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high. As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site
Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it. We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.
Must be Jack's son, we all know had we invested in the then current team we would have gained promotion, END OF. He chose to keep his hands in his pocket and the chance was lost,team broke up and the club went downwards. As for sponsoring the shirt its just a form of advertising and I'm sure he doesn't put anymore in than he expects to get out. We all know what a tight-**** he was
If you believe that the signing of Curle and Townsend was possible whilst we were in Division 2 and Wimbledon and Norwich (who bought them) were in Division 1 you are diluded. No doubt you would expect Zaha to reject Man United if City were sniffing around. You obviously know very little about the club you claim to support. You haven't a clue about who ensured Bradford City survived after Bob Martin bankrupted the club and who made sure City returned to Valley Parade after the fire. I don't know Jack Tordoff but without him (and Stafford Heginbotham) I wouldn't have a club to support
I know enough about the club I love to say from what has been said by the likes of Dolan, McCall etc that had we had strengthen the team at Christmas whilst on top we would have seen the job through.
Just because McCall and Dolan say something doesn't make it true and certainly does not give you the right to slag off Jack Tordoff. In the first 14 games after Tordoff became Chairman City won 8 drew 5 and lost 1 It is unlikely you can point to a better end of season performance in the history of the club - even 1998/9 was no better The team was virtually unchanged Tomlinson, Mitchell, Goddard, McCall, Oliver, Hendrie, Sinnott, Futcher, Ormondroyd and Kennedy with occasional appearances by Abbot and Leonard. Both Townsend and Curle played in Midfield so either McCall or more likely Evans and or Sinnott or Kennedy would have been replaced - but who would you have dropped ? The same team played at Aston Villa when a draw would have been sufficient to get promotion. They lost 0-1 Hendrie was suspended for the Ipswich match and was replaced by Leonard - once again a draw would have done - we lost 2-3 Hendrie was never going to be replaced by a signing in January 1988 so who would you have played ? We murdered Middlesbrough in the play off first leg and should have been out of sight - unfortunately we only won 2-1 and suffered an extra time defeat at Ayresome Park- Even you would have picked the same team for the second leg So exactly how would extra signing have made any difference ?
The signings would have helped us consolidate our place at the top of the league, without the need for the play-offs. What part of that arem't you understanding?

As for who Curle and Townsend would have replaced, with Curle it is an harder choice, because Sinbad, Oliver & Evans were playing so well, however Townsend would easily have slotted into our midfield. Instead of who? Well, instead of Kennedy who, if memory serves me well, missed key games from Christmas, through suspension....!

It is all hypothetical, but I have two final points I will tackle you on.

Firstly, you claim that JT took back his loan and that this is no different to what Lawn has done. Where do you know Lawn has been repaid? My understanding is that his money is STILL tied up in the club. So, if you are going to challenge people to 'know about the club they love', please tell us where you got this info from, because Lawn himself dismissed it recently....!

Secondly, you claim it to be fact that we didn't sign Townsend and Curle because of the reasons you spelled out. You claim to be in the know, based on your readings of the Rothman's Year Book & The Pain & The Glory. The former is a book published, based on facts & figures published by clubs. As such, it is fequally easible that the content is as Tordoff wanted it read. My bigger gripe is that you refuse to acknowledge the comments by the manager himself and the club's legend, but do back up your claims on a past T&A reporter....!

I'm sorry, but if Dolan (and his prized asset) come out in public to say funds were not readily available for strengthening in that January, I'd rather believe that than the say-so of an ex-reporter for the local rag.
[quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton. Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault. When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high. As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site[/p][/quote]Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it. We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.[/p][/quote]Must be Jack's son, we all know had we invested in the then current team we would have gained promotion, END OF. He chose to keep his hands in his pocket and the chance was lost,team broke up and the club went downwards. As for sponsoring the shirt its just a form of advertising and I'm sure he doesn't put anymore in than he expects to get out. We all know what a tight-**** he was[/p][/quote]If you believe that the signing of Curle and Townsend was possible whilst we were in Division 2 and Wimbledon and Norwich (who bought them) were in Division 1 you are diluded. No doubt you would expect Zaha to reject Man United if City were sniffing around. You obviously know very little about the club you claim to support. You haven't a clue about who ensured Bradford City survived after Bob Martin bankrupted the club and who made sure City returned to Valley Parade after the fire. I don't know Jack Tordoff but without him (and Stafford Heginbotham) I wouldn't have a club to support[/p][/quote]I know enough about the club I love to say from what has been said by the likes of Dolan, McCall etc that had we had strengthen the team at Christmas whilst on top we would have seen the job through.[/p][/quote]Just because McCall and Dolan say something doesn't make it true and certainly does not give you the right to slag off Jack Tordoff. In the first 14 games after Tordoff became Chairman City won 8 drew 5 and lost 1 It is unlikely you can point to a better end of season performance in the history of the club - even 1998/9 was no better The team was virtually unchanged Tomlinson, Mitchell, Goddard, McCall, Oliver, Hendrie, Sinnott, Futcher, Ormondroyd and Kennedy with occasional appearances by Abbot and Leonard. Both Townsend and Curle played in Midfield so either McCall or more likely Evans and or Sinnott or Kennedy would have been replaced - but who would you have dropped ? The same team played at Aston Villa when a draw would have been sufficient to get promotion. They lost 0-1 Hendrie was suspended for the Ipswich match and was replaced by Leonard - once again a draw would have done - we lost 2-3 Hendrie was never going to be replaced by a signing in January 1988 so who would you have played ? We murdered Middlesbrough in the play off first leg and should have been out of sight - unfortunately we only won 2-1 and suffered an extra time defeat at Ayresome Park- Even you would have picked the same team for the second leg So exactly how would extra signing have made any difference ?[/p][/quote]The signings would have helped us consolidate our place at the top of the league, without the need for the play-offs. What part of that arem't you understanding? As for who Curle and Townsend would have replaced, with Curle it is an harder choice, because Sinbad, Oliver & Evans were playing so well, however Townsend would easily have slotted into our midfield. Instead of who? Well, instead of Kennedy who, if memory serves me well, missed key games from Christmas, through suspension....! It is all hypothetical, but I have two final points I will tackle you on. Firstly, you claim that JT took back his loan and that this is no different to what Lawn has done. Where do you know Lawn has been repaid? My understanding is that his money is STILL tied up in the club. So, if you are going to challenge people to 'know about the club they love', please tell us where you got this info from, because Lawn himself dismissed it recently....! Secondly, you claim it to be fact that we didn't sign Townsend and Curle because of the reasons you spelled out. You claim to be in the know, based on your readings of the Rothman's Year Book & The Pain & The Glory. The former is a book published, based on facts & figures published by clubs. As such, it is fequally easible that the content is as Tordoff wanted it read. My bigger gripe is that you refuse to acknowledge the comments by the manager himself and the club's legend, but do back up your claims on a past T&A reporter....! I'm sorry, but if Dolan (and his prized asset) come out in public to say funds were not readily available for strengthening in that January, I'd rather believe that than the say-so of an ex-reporter for the local rag. Waynus1971

12:53pm Wed 15 May 13

Waynus1971 says...

tyker2 wrote:
I know Brain Mitchell well and he told me financial terms had been agreed with Curle and Townsend but Tordoff refused to sanction the deals.
And yet there was (as our current chairmen are quick to point out) a calculated risk on investing. Where the current incumbents of our club are only too happy to speculate to accumulate, JT was not prepared to take the no-risk gamble.

At the end of the day, JT knew that failure to gain promotion that season, would have netted him around £1.5m for the sales of Hendrie & McCall, who had been courted for a while. So the gamble was simple. Invest in Dolan's targets and aim to win promotion to the top-flight where he would get much more than his money back, or lose out on promotion, but cash in on his two main prized assets. Either way, JT nor the club would have been at risk...!

If I remember rightly from McCall's book, didn't JT also try to renege an agreement with McCall & Hendrie regarding contracts etc. I'm sorry, he may have HELPED save the club WITH Heginbotham, but I do not trust or respect the man.... (and I know the club's 'legend' feels the same way)!
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: I know Brain Mitchell well and he told me financial terms had been agreed with Curle and Townsend but Tordoff refused to sanction the deals.[/p][/quote]And yet there was (as our current chairmen are quick to point out) a calculated risk on investing. Where the current incumbents of our club are only too happy to speculate to accumulate, JT was not prepared to take the no-risk gamble. At the end of the day, JT knew that failure to gain promotion that season, would have netted him around £1.5m for the sales of Hendrie & McCall, who had been courted for a while. So the gamble was simple. Invest in Dolan's targets and aim to win promotion to the top-flight where he would get much more than his money back, or lose out on promotion, but cash in on his two main prized assets. Either way, JT nor the club would have been at risk...! If I remember rightly from McCall's book, didn't JT also try to renege an agreement with McCall & Hendrie regarding contracts etc. I'm sorry, he may have HELPED save the club WITH Heginbotham, but I do not trust or respect the man.... (and I know the club's 'legend' feels the same way)! Waynus1971

1:28pm Wed 15 May 13

Waynus1971 says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Here is the drop off of our form in that season look at the downward trend from 20 matches onwards http://www.statto.co m/football/teams/bra dford-city/1987-1988
Our form definitely tailed off after Christmas when injuries and suspensions kicked in. You know what we needed at that time? Err, how about investing in a couple of players.

Shame JT didn't see this vision or feel the need to act on it.

One final point that Tordoff's supporters have failed to address. The season we almost got promoted, saw us never leave the top6. Our games were sell-outs and we regularly had attendances over 18,000. What happened to all that gate money? It's okay saying we raised xxx from the sales of players and spent xxx on their replacements, but what happened to the gate monies?

JT left this club in good health. Nobody can deny that, but JT himself also left with more in his pockets than he put in during his Chairmanship.

The sponsorship deals have been good for the club, but where were his millions when we needed him most? When Bradford & Bingley had to withdraw, we ended up going with MAP because we were desperate to start the season with a sponsor on the shirt. Where was JCT then? He was quick to ditch us when he felt the bad publicity of City going into administration would harm his business, but we have now ditched MAP to have them back. Bizarre...!
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Here is the drop off of our form in that season look at the downward trend from 20 matches onwards http://www.statto.co m/football/teams/bra dford-city/1987-1988[/p][/quote]Our form definitely tailed off after Christmas when injuries and suspensions kicked in. You know what we needed at that time? Err, how about investing in a couple of players. Shame JT didn't see this vision or feel the need to act on it. One final point that Tordoff's supporters have failed to address. The season we almost got promoted, saw us never leave the top6. Our games were sell-outs and we regularly had attendances over 18,000. What happened to all that gate money? It's okay saying we raised xxx from the sales of players and spent xxx on their replacements, but what happened to the gate monies? JT left this club in good health. Nobody can deny that, but JT himself also left with more in his pockets than he put in during his Chairmanship. The sponsorship deals have been good for the club, but where were his millions when we needed him most? When Bradford & Bingley had to withdraw, we ended up going with MAP because we were desperate to start the season with a sponsor on the shirt. Where was JCT then? He was quick to ditch us when he felt the bad publicity of City going into administration would harm his business, but we have now ditched MAP to have them back. Bizarre...! Waynus1971

2:32pm Wed 15 May 13

wakefieldbantam says...

Mick, Cleckheaton wrote:
bwwb wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
bwwb wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
bwwb wrote:
The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton.
Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault.
When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high.
As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so
His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site
Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it.

We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.
Must be Jack's son, we all know had we invested in the then current team we would have gained promotion, END OF. He chose to keep his hands in his pocket and the chance was lost,team broke up and the club went downwards. As for sponsoring the shirt its just a form of advertising and I'm sure he doesn't put anymore in than he expects to get out. We all know what a tight-**** he was
If you believe that the signing of Curle and Townsend was possible whilst we were in Division 2 and Wimbledon and Norwich (who bought them) were in Division 1 you are diluded. No doubt you would expect Zaha to reject Man United if City were sniffing around.

You obviously know very little about the club you claim to support. You haven't a clue about who ensured Bradford City survived after Bob Martin bankrupted the club and who made sure City returned to Valley Parade after the fire.

I don't know Jack Tordoff but without him (and Stafford Heginbotham) I wouldn't have a club to support
I know enough about the club I love to say from what has been said by the likes of Dolan, McCall etc that had we had strengthen the team at Christmas whilst on top we would have seen the job through.
Just because McCall and Dolan say something doesn't make it true and certainly does not give you the right to slag off Jack Tordoff.
In the first 14 games after Tordoff became Chairman City won 8 drew 5 and lost 1
It is unlikely you can point to a better end of season performance in the history of the club - even 1998/9 was no better
The team was virtually unchanged
Tomlinson, Mitchell, Goddard, McCall, Oliver, Hendrie, Sinnott, Futcher, Ormondroyd and Kennedy with occasional appearances by Abbot and Leonard.
Both Townsend and Curle played in Midfield so either McCall or more likely Evans and or Sinnott or Kennedy would have been replaced - but who would you have dropped ?
The same team played at Aston Villa when a draw would have been sufficient to get promotion. They lost 0-1
Hendrie was suspended for the Ipswich match and was replaced by Leonard - once again a draw would have done - we lost 2-3
Hendrie was never going to be replaced by a signing in January 1988 so who would you have played ?
We murdered Middlesbrough in the play off first leg and should have been out of sight - unfortunately we only won 2-1 and suffered an extra time defeat at Ayresome Park- Even you would have picked the same team for the second leg
So exactly how would extra signing have made any difference ?
Makes a nice change to have someone with intelligence on this site who actually understands what he is talking about. There are too many on here who wish to rewrite history, The facts as you present them certainly tally with my understanding of the Dolan/Tordoff years.

I also like the shirt. The hoops were one of the worst kits during my 50+ years as a supporter.
Total rubbish if the signings had been made and everyone knows they were all lined up to sign until Tordoff pulled the plug we would have gone up automatically as Aston Villa beat us to it on the last match of the season. Do you want to rewrite that piece of history aswell !!!

How big was our squad at the end of that season about 15 players no more, clearly two quality signings would have made the difference between automatic promotion and the play offs.

I for one will never forgive Tordoff for this and his comments about Stuart not performing in the big games.

Tordoff prevented us from going into the top division and in those days that division was a level playing field, and we would surely have stayed up and who knows the following 10 years may well have been seasons to look back on with pride.

I've been a supporter for 42 years now and will not forget what should have happened but why it didn't only Tordoff has the answers!
[quote][p][bold]Mick, Cleckheaton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bwwb[/bold] wrote: The disgraceful slagging off of Jack Tordoff by people who conveniently forget that he helped save the club from bankruptcy in 1983. Financed the club through one of the most successful periods in its history including the only championship winning season since 1929. Saw the club all but promoted to the then First Division. The only reason we did not go up in 1987/8 was that we lost the last two matches when a draw in either would have seen us promoted. Tordoff only reluctantly became Chairman in January 1988 when Stafford Heginbotham resigned due to ill health. The only signing made after he became chairman that season was Mick Kennedy. Both Keith Curle and Andy Townsend were targets but Dolan did not want to match Wimbledon's offer of £500,000 having previously agreed to pay Reading £300,000 whilst Townsend preferred to go to Norwich who matched City's bid of £250,000 to Southampton. Once McCall and Hendrie left in the Summer City spent on Dolan's choices of Ian Banks, Paul Jewell, Andy Thomas and the return of Peter Jackson. The fact these players turned out to be somewhat disappointing was hardly Tordoff's fault. When Tordoff sold the club to David Simpson the club had no debt compared to the financial plight of 8 years before and Tordoff could hold his head up high. As for taking out any loans he put in this is exactly what Mark Lawn has done with the League Cup "profits" and both men have / had the perfect right to do so His company has sponsored the club many times since and therefore Jack does not deserve the ill considered vitriol dished out by people on this site[/p][/quote]Where do you get this info from, because it isn't how Terry Dolan saw it. We raised nearly £2m from the sales of McCall, Hendrie, Stix and others. Yes, Dolan was allowed to bring in replacements, but nowhere near £2m worth.[/p][/quote]Must be Jack's son, we all know had we invested in the then current team we would have gained promotion, END OF. He chose to keep his hands in his pocket and the chance was lost,team broke up and the club went downwards. As for sponsoring the shirt its just a form of advertising and I'm sure he doesn't put anymore in than he expects to get out. We all know what a tight-**** he was[/p][/quote]If you believe that the signing of Curle and Townsend was possible whilst we were in Division 2 and Wimbledon and Norwich (who bought them) were in Division 1 you are diluded. No doubt you would expect Zaha to reject Man United if City were sniffing around. You obviously know very little about the club you claim to support. You haven't a clue about who ensured Bradford City survived after Bob Martin bankrupted the club and who made sure City returned to Valley Parade after the fire. I don't know Jack Tordoff but without him (and Stafford Heginbotham) I wouldn't have a club to support[/p][/quote]I know enough about the club I love to say from what has been said by the likes of Dolan, McCall etc that had we had strengthen the team at Christmas whilst on top we would have seen the job through.[/p][/quote]Just because McCall and Dolan say something doesn't make it true and certainly does not give you the right to slag off Jack Tordoff. In the first 14 games after Tordoff became Chairman City won 8 drew 5 and lost 1 It is unlikely you can point to a better end of season performance in the history of the club - even 1998/9 was no better The team was virtually unchanged Tomlinson, Mitchell, Goddard, McCall, Oliver, Hendrie, Sinnott, Futcher, Ormondroyd and Kennedy with occasional appearances by Abbot and Leonard. Both Townsend and Curle played in Midfield so either McCall or more likely Evans and or Sinnott or Kennedy would have been replaced - but who would you have dropped ? The same team played at Aston Villa when a draw would have been sufficient to get promotion. They lost 0-1 Hendrie was suspended for the Ipswich match and was replaced by Leonard - once again a draw would have done - we lost 2-3 Hendrie was never going to be replaced by a signing in January 1988 so who would you have played ? We murdered Middlesbrough in the play off first leg and should have been out of sight - unfortunately we only won 2-1 and suffered an extra time defeat at Ayresome Park- Even you would have picked the same team for the second leg So exactly how would extra signing have made any difference ?[/p][/quote]Makes a nice change to have someone with intelligence on this site who actually understands what he is talking about. There are too many on here who wish to rewrite history, The facts as you present them certainly tally with my understanding of the Dolan/Tordoff years. I also like the shirt. The hoops were one of the worst kits during my 50+ years as a supporter.[/p][/quote]Total rubbish if the signings had been made and everyone knows they were all lined up to sign until Tordoff pulled the plug we would have gone up automatically as Aston Villa beat us to it on the last match of the season. Do you want to rewrite that piece of history aswell !!! How big was our squad at the end of that season about 15 players no more, clearly two quality signings would have made the difference between automatic promotion and the play offs. I for one will never forgive Tordoff for this and his comments about Stuart not performing in the big games. Tordoff prevented us from going into the top division and in those days that division was a level playing field, and we would surely have stayed up and who knows the following 10 years may well have been seasons to look back on with pride. I've been a supporter for 42 years now and will not forget what should have happened but why it didn't only Tordoff has the answers! wakefieldbantam

3:05pm Wed 15 May 13

lonniejockstrap says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
tyker2 wrote:
I know Brain Mitchell well and he told me financial terms had been agreed with Curle and Townsend but Tordoff refused to sanction the deals.
And yet there was (as our current chairmen are quick to point out) a calculated risk on investing. Where the current incumbents of our club are only too happy to speculate to accumulate, JT was not prepared to take the no-risk gamble.

At the end of the day, JT knew that failure to gain promotion that season, would have netted him around £1.5m for the sales of Hendrie & McCall, who had been courted for a while. So the gamble was simple. Invest in Dolan's targets and aim to win promotion to the top-flight where he would get much more than his money back, or lose out on promotion, but cash in on his two main prized assets. Either way, JT nor the club would have been at risk...!

If I remember rightly from McCall's book, didn't JT also try to renege an agreement with McCall & Hendrie regarding contracts etc. I'm sorry, he may have HELPED save the club WITH Heginbotham, but I do not trust or respect the man.... (and I know the club's 'legend' feels the same way)!
If it was as simple as that waynus there would have been no reason not to have financed the deal would there?
Why would anyone who could only gain and not lose out on a financial deal not go ahead with it?

Your talking about a bloke who appears to have his head screwed on as regards running a business so forgive me if I don't accept your view that there was no risk. JT would have had to have been insane to have not financed a deal in the way you have described.

You must feel very secure and justified in using a public site to claim that a man who is associated with a very well know local and respected business, and has just done a deal to have his company name printed on the front of the local professional football teams shirt, can not be trusted, reneges on contracts and, what could be interpreted as, taking money out of the Club that he wasn't entitled to.

If you are prepared to go so public with your lack of respect and trust for someone who is associated with being the figurehead of one of the largest Car Dealerships in the North of England then maybe you will be as willing to go public with the details of the 'deals' that JT refused to finance? For example: any signing on fees and if so how much; any agents fees and if so how much? players wages; lengths of contract; bonus fees; insurance costs; transfer fees and all the other relevant costs associated with the deals. That would great.

You might have to come up with this info anyway, if JT decides that he is not going to be libelled and have his reputation damaged -particularly at a time when he has just invested in a 3 year sponsorship deal and will be expecting supporters to give his company 'first refusal'? So,on the bright side, it could be good practice for you and informationally interesting for me, as I may decide not to buy another car from JCT -based on what you have to say of course.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: I know Brain Mitchell well and he told me financial terms had been agreed with Curle and Townsend but Tordoff refused to sanction the deals.[/p][/quote]And yet there was (as our current chairmen are quick to point out) a calculated risk on investing. Where the current incumbents of our club are only too happy to speculate to accumulate, JT was not prepared to take the no-risk gamble. At the end of the day, JT knew that failure to gain promotion that season, would have netted him around £1.5m for the sales of Hendrie & McCall, who had been courted for a while. So the gamble was simple. Invest in Dolan's targets and aim to win promotion to the top-flight where he would get much more than his money back, or lose out on promotion, but cash in on his two main prized assets. Either way, JT nor the club would have been at risk...! If I remember rightly from McCall's book, didn't JT also try to renege an agreement with McCall & Hendrie regarding contracts etc. I'm sorry, he may have HELPED save the club WITH Heginbotham, but I do not trust or respect the man.... (and I know the club's 'legend' feels the same way)![/p][/quote]If it was as simple as that waynus there would have been no reason not to have financed the deal would there? Why would anyone who could only gain and not lose out on a financial deal not go ahead with it? Your talking about a bloke who appears to have his head screwed on as regards running a business so forgive me if I don't accept your view that there was no risk. JT would have had to have been insane to have not financed a deal in the way you have described. You must feel very secure and justified in using a public site to claim that a man who is associated with a very well know local and respected business, and has just done a deal to have his company name printed on the front of the local professional football teams shirt, can not be trusted, reneges on contracts and, what could be interpreted as, taking money out of the Club that he wasn't entitled to. If you are prepared to go so public with your lack of respect and trust for someone who is associated with being the figurehead of one of the largest Car Dealerships in the North of England then maybe you will be as willing to go public with the details of the 'deals' that JT refused to finance? For example: any signing on fees and if so how much; any agents fees and if so how much? players wages; lengths of contract; bonus fees; insurance costs; transfer fees and all the other relevant costs associated with the deals. That would great. You might have to come up with this info anyway, if JT decides that he is not going to be libelled and have his reputation damaged -particularly at a time when he has just invested in a 3 year sponsorship deal and will be expecting supporters to give his company 'first refusal'? So,on the bright side, it could be good practice for you and informationally interesting for me, as I may decide not to buy another car from JCT -based on what you have to say of course. lonniejockstrap

3:13pm Wed 15 May 13

bwwb says...

Well if anyone is trying to change history Waynus1971 is

There is no doubt we had an excellent start in 1987/8 having won 10 drawn 2 and lost 1 up to 17th October.
We then won 4 drew 5 and lost 6 of the next 15 up to the 2nd January.
Until then Heginbotham, not Tordoff, was the Chairman.
Tordoff made funds available and Dolan signed Kennedy
The ONLY game Kennedy missed was the defeat against Huddersfield.
In other words City did not lose once with Kennedy in the team until the final two defeats against Villa and Ipswich.
If Townsend or Curle - both of whom were sold for less than Kennedy cost - had agreed to come to City why didn't they?
Almost certainly Tordoff would have only agreed to buy one of the three and Kennedy may have been choice number 3 but to suggest a signing wasn't made is just untrue.
As I said above the team finished the season as well as anyone that season but bottled it in the last two games.
When Dolan splashed the Hendrie and McCall money the following season it was wasted on players such as Thomas, Banks and Jackson - all of whom significantly weakened the team.
Waynus slags me off for quoting from a readily available source yet significantly fails to quote his sources.
The results I quote are facts yet he suggests that we would have gained more points if the playing squad had been added to. That is pure speculation and the results (which were excellent from 6th Feb to 30th April 1988) are just as likely to have been worse.
I have nothing but the utmost respect for McCall as a player and I am certain the recollections of the time in his book are genuine but they don't reflect the reality.
I can only presume that Waynus has
some other reason for slagging Tordoff off but failure to gain promotion in 1987/8 cannot be laid at his door
As for Mr Lawn taking his loan out - the fact it is/was a loan and not share capital - means it is totally a matter for him whether or not he has or hasn't withdrawn it.
The club came into a windfall in the Capital One Cup. The club was / is paying interest on Mr Lawn's loan. The loan is repaid (why wouldn't it be ?) the club saves interest. If the club needs to borrow again for future signings then Mr Lawn will no doubt be prepared to re-lend it. What's the problem ?
Well if anyone is trying to change history Waynus1971 is There is no doubt we had an excellent start in 1987/8 having won 10 drawn 2 and lost 1 up to 17th October. We then won 4 drew 5 and lost 6 of the next 15 up to the 2nd January. Until then Heginbotham, not Tordoff, was the Chairman. Tordoff made funds available and Dolan signed Kennedy The ONLY game Kennedy missed was the defeat against Huddersfield. In other words City did not lose once with Kennedy in the team until the final two defeats against Villa and Ipswich. If Townsend or Curle - both of whom were sold for less than Kennedy cost - had agreed to come to City why didn't they? Almost certainly Tordoff would have only agreed to buy one of the three and Kennedy may have been choice number 3 but to suggest a signing wasn't made is just untrue. As I said above the team finished the season as well as anyone that season but bottled it in the last two games. When Dolan splashed the Hendrie and McCall money the following season it was wasted on players such as Thomas, Banks and Jackson - all of whom significantly weakened the team. Waynus slags me off for quoting from a readily available source yet significantly fails to quote his sources. The results I quote are facts yet he suggests that we would have gained more points if the playing squad had been added to. That is pure speculation and the results (which were excellent from 6th Feb to 30th April 1988) are just as likely to have been worse. I have nothing but the utmost respect for McCall as a player and I am certain the recollections of the time in his book are genuine but they don't reflect the reality. I can only presume that Waynus has some other reason for slagging Tordoff off but failure to gain promotion in 1987/8 cannot be laid at his door As for Mr Lawn taking his loan out - the fact it is/was a loan and not share capital - means it is totally a matter for him whether or not he has or hasn't withdrawn it. The club came into a windfall in the Capital One Cup. The club was / is paying interest on Mr Lawn's loan. The loan is repaid (why wouldn't it be ?) the club saves interest. If the club needs to borrow again for future signings then Mr Lawn will no doubt be prepared to re-lend it. What's the problem ? bwwb

4:21pm Wed 15 May 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Could always ask Uncle Ken his thoughts.
Could always ask Uncle Ken his thoughts. Prisoner Cell Block A

7:55am Thu 16 May 13

Michael Clayton says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Could always ask Uncle Ken his thoughts.
Which one? Morrison, Bates or Barlow? Then again, perhaps not.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Could always ask Uncle Ken his thoughts.[/p][/quote]Which one? Morrison, Bates or Barlow? Then again, perhaps not. Michael Clayton

10:15am Thu 16 May 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

hahaha
hahaha Prisoner Cell Block A

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