Bradford City striker Aaron Mclean will miss start of season

MCLEAN: Still a long way off full fitness

MCLEAN: Still a long way off full fitness

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STRIKER Aaron Mclean is set to return to full training with City on Monday – but will not be ready to start the League One opener against Coventry.

City’s main goal hope has not kicked a ball in pre-season since straining his calf in their first week back.

He should finally get the all-clear to rejoin the rest of the squad for full-scale practice but boss Phil Parkinson warned: “Aaron’s got a lot of work to be done.

“He has been running this week and gradually building it up on the training pitch but he has missed all the fitness work.

“Providing there is no reaction over the weekend then he should be back training properly for Monday.

“We will see how it goes but he’s certainly not going to start the first game of the season. He’s a long way behind.

“It’s unfortunate but we’ve got a long nine-month season ahead. There’s plenty of time to get Aaron up to speed.

“What we’ve got to make sure is that he doesn’t pick up another injury by pushing him too fast.”

Billy Clarke will partner James Hanson again in this afternoon’s final friendly against Hartlepool at Valley Parade and Parkinson will be keeping his fingers crossed that there are no further setbacks.

Young striker Lewis Clarkson, who scored four goals in the first two pre-season outings, is already out with a sore hamstring after overstretching for a ball at Park Avenue on Tuesday. City are waiting for further news on the injury but Parkinson admitted: “It’s not looking good.”

With Clarkson and Mclean sidelined, City’s first-team squad currently stands at 15 and Parkinson will continue to press the board to allow him to beef up numbers.

Trialists including Christopher Routis, Mo Shariff and Achille Campion continue to train with the club and could be involved again at some point during today’s game.

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8:39am Sat 2 Aug 14

Hoggy64 says...

I know he can't help getting injuries but sadly he's turned out to be an expensive mistake.

C'mon board back Parky and get some players in, otherwise I'd better get my lad to bring his boots next Saturday!
I know he can't help getting injuries but sadly he's turned out to be an expensive mistake. C'mon board back Parky and get some players in, otherwise I'd better get my lad to bring his boots next Saturday! Hoggy64
  • Score: 22

8:48am Sat 2 Aug 14

tyker7745 says...

hardly a surprise this story: I just wonder when he will be it. Has He moved to the area yet?
hardly a surprise this story: I just wonder when he will be it. Has He moved to the area yet? tyker7745
  • Score: -1

9:27am Sat 2 Aug 14

Danger Mouse Bantam says...

Not sure if he's moved to the area yet, but saw him coming out of the training ground yesterday afternoon and headed towards Guiseley..... unless we're still putting players up at Hollis Hall?
Not sure if he's moved to the area yet, but saw him coming out of the training ground yesterday afternoon and headed towards Guiseley..... unless we're still putting players up at Hollis Hall? Danger Mouse Bantam
  • Score: 2

9:39am Sat 2 Aug 14

Adam1903 says...

Dreading start of season now 2 strikers out already
Dreading start of season now 2 strikers out already Adam1903
  • Score: 7

10:04am Sat 2 Aug 14

tyker7745 says...

Danger Mouse Bantam wrote:
Not sure if he's moved to the area yet, but saw him coming out of the training ground yesterday afternoon and headed towards Guiseley..... unless we're still putting players up at Hollis Hall?
or even Hollins Hall. I doubt it these days unless he is paying the bill himself!!
[quote][p][bold]Danger Mouse Bantam[/bold] wrote: Not sure if he's moved to the area yet, but saw him coming out of the training ground yesterday afternoon and headed towards Guiseley..... unless we're still putting players up at Hollis Hall?[/p][/quote]or even Hollins Hall. I doubt it these days unless he is paying the bill himself!! tyker7745
  • Score: 2

10:12am Sat 2 Aug 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Well it's a case of get some players in or we're going down. That size of squad won't last long.
Sometimes it will be a case of digging deep and spending.
Well it's a case of get some players in or we're going down. That size of squad won't last long. Sometimes it will be a case of digging deep and spending. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 4

10:37am Sat 2 Aug 14

Waynus1971 says...

PP has made his feelings known via the press. Baldwin simply told US to calm down and be patient. When are we going to hear the truth as to where the remaining signings are? Has PP spent his budget on (perceived) quality instead of quantity? Is there money still available for a couple of signings AS WELL AS the loanees we are planning on bringing in?

It's about time someone actually spoke up instead of drip feeding soundbites of contrasting views (ie PP constantly asking the board to sign players and the board telling us reinforcements are coming)!!!!!
PP has made his feelings known via the press. Baldwin simply told US to calm down and be patient. When are we going to hear the truth as to where the remaining signings are? Has PP spent his budget on (perceived) quality instead of quantity? Is there money still available for a couple of signings AS WELL AS the loanees we are planning on bringing in? It's about time someone actually spoke up instead of drip feeding soundbites of contrasting views (ie PP constantly asking the board to sign players and the board telling us reinforcements are coming)!!!!! Waynus1971
  • Score: 13

10:58am Sat 2 Aug 14

Bradford Lad BD9 says...

The board & owners are full of it, I can see us getting reject players who no one wants, one thing for sure we will not better last seasons finish.
The board & owners are full of it, I can see us getting reject players who no one wants, one thing for sure we will not better last seasons finish. Bradford Lad BD9
  • Score: 1

11:09am Sat 2 Aug 14

lawsonio123 says...

The Goal Machine is not what he seems to be now he is injured and not for the first time. Also way behind in fitness ( Parky) how fit was he when he reported for training I do not like saying this But it was a similar story when he came last season are we again playing catch up with this player the number of goals he scores do not warrant the cost unless something changes a great deal we have a bad signing here I HOPE I AM WRONG but do not bet on it
The Goal Machine is not what he seems to be now he is injured and not for the first time. Also way behind in fitness ( Parky) how fit was he when he reported for training I do not like saying this But it was a similar story when he came last season are we again playing catch up with this player the number of goals he scores do not warrant the cost unless something changes a great deal we have a bad signing here I HOPE I AM WRONG but do not bet on it lawsonio123
  • Score: 13

11:22am Sat 2 Aug 14

doneBD4 says...

well thats plan A ballsed up, Plan B it is, Long ball hoof. We just have to bite the bullet.
well thats plan A ballsed up, Plan B it is, Long ball hoof. We just have to bite the bullet. doneBD4
  • Score: -5

11:22am Sat 2 Aug 14

Waynus1971 says...

I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that.

So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m).

In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k).
And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k).

This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??
I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that. So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m). In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k). And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k). This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left?? Waynus1971
  • Score: 10

11:33am Sat 2 Aug 14

tyker7745 says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
PP has made his feelings known via the press. Baldwin simply told US to calm down and be patient. When are we going to hear the truth as to where the remaining signings are? Has PP spent his budget on (perceived) quality instead of quantity? Is there money still available for a couple of signings AS WELL AS the loanees we are planning on bringing in?

It's about time someone actually spoke up instead of drip feeding soundbites of contrasting views (ie PP constantly asking the board to sign players and the board telling us reinforcements are coming)!!!!!
exactly: there are too many statements from the Board and Baldwin which simply do not stack up.

I can see Parky walking if he does not get some more leeway on players.

17 first team players including a loan keeper who can be recalled at any time is nowhere near enough.

Teams who have tried to minimise the number of players have fallen badly (Stevenage and the like).

Do the Board want that situation (in which case season ticket sales slump even further) or are they prepared to loosen the budget to help the manager in trying to achieve the aim suggested by Rhodes a year or so ago.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: PP has made his feelings known via the press. Baldwin simply told US to calm down and be patient. When are we going to hear the truth as to where the remaining signings are? Has PP spent his budget on (perceived) quality instead of quantity? Is there money still available for a couple of signings AS WELL AS the loanees we are planning on bringing in? It's about time someone actually spoke up instead of drip feeding soundbites of contrasting views (ie PP constantly asking the board to sign players and the board telling us reinforcements are coming)!!!!![/p][/quote]exactly: there are too many statements from the Board and Baldwin which simply do not stack up. I can see Parky walking if he does not get some more leeway on players. 17 first team players including a loan keeper who can be recalled at any time is nowhere near enough. Teams who have tried to minimise the number of players have fallen badly (Stevenage and the like). Do the Board want that situation (in which case season ticket sales slump even further) or are they prepared to loosen the budget to help the manager in trying to achieve the aim suggested by Rhodes a year or so ago. tyker7745
  • Score: 2

11:53am Sat 2 Aug 14

Hoggy64 says...

Could be worse, apparently Blackpool only have 8 players!
Could be worse, apparently Blackpool only have 8 players! Hoggy64
  • Score: 7

11:53am Sat 2 Aug 14

OLDLAD says...

A star player injured no new players on the horizon, doesn't bode well for the season. Not being negative but get feeling the board would be happy with mid table again.
A star player injured no new players on the horizon, doesn't bode well for the season. Not being negative but get feeling the board would be happy with mid table again. OLDLAD
  • Score: 0

12:31pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Waynus1971 says...

tyker7745 wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
PP has made his feelings known via the press. Baldwin simply told US to calm down and be patient. When are we going to hear the truth as to where the remaining signings are? Has PP spent his budget on (perceived) quality instead of quantity? Is there money still available for a couple of signings AS WELL AS the loanees we are planning on bringing in?

It's about time someone actually spoke up instead of drip feeding soundbites of contrasting views (ie PP constantly asking the board to sign players and the board telling us reinforcements are coming)!!!!!
exactly: there are too many statements from the Board and Baldwin which simply do not stack up.

I can see Parky walking if he does not get some more leeway on players.

17 first team players including a loan keeper who can be recalled at any time is nowhere near enough.

Teams who have tried to minimise the number of players have fallen badly (Stevenage and the like).

Do the Board want that situation (in which case season ticket sales slump even further) or are they prepared to loosen the budget to help the manager in trying to achieve the aim suggested by Rhodes a year or so ago.
But what is the situation with the budget? Have they held some of it back? Has PP spent it all on the players he has signed? At the end of the day, the budget is the budget and needs to be managed accordingly.

My issue is, has PP not been given all his budget yet?
[quote][p][bold]tyker7745[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: PP has made his feelings known via the press. Baldwin simply told US to calm down and be patient. When are we going to hear the truth as to where the remaining signings are? Has PP spent his budget on (perceived) quality instead of quantity? Is there money still available for a couple of signings AS WELL AS the loanees we are planning on bringing in? It's about time someone actually spoke up instead of drip feeding soundbites of contrasting views (ie PP constantly asking the board to sign players and the board telling us reinforcements are coming)!!!!![/p][/quote]exactly: there are too many statements from the Board and Baldwin which simply do not stack up. I can see Parky walking if he does not get some more leeway on players. 17 first team players including a loan keeper who can be recalled at any time is nowhere near enough. Teams who have tried to minimise the number of players have fallen badly (Stevenage and the like). Do the Board want that situation (in which case season ticket sales slump even further) or are they prepared to loosen the budget to help the manager in trying to achieve the aim suggested by Rhodes a year or so ago.[/p][/quote]But what is the situation with the budget? Have they held some of it back? Has PP spent it all on the players he has signed? At the end of the day, the budget is the budget and needs to be managed accordingly. My issue is, has PP not been given all his budget yet? Waynus1971
  • Score: 0

1:05pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Bradford Lad BD9 says...

Come mon or tues you wil get baldwin or lawn comming out with some more garbage.
Come mon or tues you wil get baldwin or lawn comming out with some more garbage. Bradford Lad BD9
  • Score: -1

1:18pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Baby Bantam says...

Get all your injuries out of the way and have a great rest of season Aaron, and try be our top goal scorer, don't let this story be repeated though out the season
Get all your injuries out of the way and have a great rest of season Aaron, and try be our top goal scorer, don't let this story be repeated though out the season Baby Bantam
  • Score: 5

1:24pm Sat 2 Aug 14

torreyman says...

What a hell of a mess from start to finish all we need now is Dear old Andy Gray back Div two here we come Sorry Folks
What a hell of a mess from start to finish all we need now is Dear old Andy Gray back Div two here we come Sorry Folks torreyman
  • Score: -2

1:38pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Pablo says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that.

So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m).

In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k).
And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k).

This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??
Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus!

A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget.

We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt.

In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue.
I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that. So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m). In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k). And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k). This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??[/p][/quote]Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus! A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget. We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt. In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue. I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me. Pablo
  • Score: 0

1:49pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Hove edge bantam says...

lawsonio123 wrote:
The Goal Machine is not what he seems to be now he is injured and not for the first time. Also way behind in fitness ( Parky) how fit was he when he reported for training I do not like saying this But it was a similar story when he came last season are we again playing catch up with this player the number of goals he scores do not warrant the cost unless something changes a great deal we have a bad signing here I HOPE I AM WRONG but do not bet on it
Be careful lawsonio MC doesn't like comments like this !!!!!!
But let's just wait and see .
To my mind Parky has got it wrong with Aaron last seasons excuses have come back to haunt us AGAIN I really hope i am wrong but the comparisons I made with Andy Gray and got well and truly slated for on here are totally wrong But have to admit alarm bells are deafening
[quote][p][bold]lawsonio123[/bold] wrote: The Goal Machine is not what he seems to be now he is injured and not for the first time. Also way behind in fitness ( Parky) how fit was he when he reported for training I do not like saying this But it was a similar story when he came last season are we again playing catch up with this player the number of goals he scores do not warrant the cost unless something changes a great deal we have a bad signing here I HOPE I AM WRONG but do not bet on it[/p][/quote]Be careful lawsonio MC doesn't like comments like this !!!!!! But let's just wait and see . To my mind Parky has got it wrong with Aaron last seasons excuses have come back to haunt us AGAIN I really hope i am wrong but the comparisons I made with Andy Gray and got well and truly slated for on here are totally wrong But have to admit alarm bells are deafening Hove edge bantam
  • Score: 0

1:59pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Peter300 says...

Adam1903 wrote:
Dreading start of season now 2 strikers out already
Oh dear!
[quote][p][bold]Adam1903[/bold] wrote: Dreading start of season now 2 strikers out already[/p][/quote]Oh dear! Peter300
  • Score: 0

2:00pm Sat 2 Aug 14

BCFC 95 says...

Not looking forward to this season at all, squad is a shambles too thin on numbers and no quality in it. The new signings are average bar Sheehan who looks descent, we are worse off this year than last feel as a club we have gone backwards and there's Rhodes banging on about promotion, give your head a shake man we will not be challenging for top 6 and we will not finish mid table we will be scrapping for relegation unless you the board pull your fingers out and spend sum money or we are never going to get anywhere and parky will walk!!!!!
Not looking forward to this season at all, squad is a shambles too thin on numbers and no quality in it. The new signings are average bar Sheehan who looks descent, we are worse off this year than last feel as a club we have gone backwards and there's Rhodes banging on about promotion, give your head a shake man we will not be challenging for top 6 and we will not finish mid table we will be scrapping for relegation unless you the board pull your fingers out and spend sum money or we are never going to get anywhere and parky will walk!!!!! BCFC 95
  • Score: 1

2:07pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Peter300 says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that.

So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m).

In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k).
And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k).

This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??
Dave the Lecturer will be impressed. You are talking his language. Have you checked your calculations? I'm sure there is still money available for players. Perhaps not much, but some. However this is quite normal because the window does not close until the end of this month.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that. So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m). In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k). And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k). This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??[/p][/quote]Dave the Lecturer will be impressed. You are talking his language. Have you checked your calculations? I'm sure there is still money available for players. Perhaps not much, but some. However this is quite normal because the window does not close until the end of this month. Peter300
  • Score: 1

2:14pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Peter300 says...

Hoggy64 wrote:
Could be worse, apparently Blackpool only have 8 players!
No, they have at least thirteen now. No doubt their panicky fans are in a state. Whereas some City fans have become far too worried. Having said that, its a pastime they seem to enjoy so its beneficial in that respect.
[quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Could be worse, apparently Blackpool only have 8 players![/p][/quote]No, they have at least thirteen now. No doubt their panicky fans are in a state. Whereas some City fans have become far too worried. Having said that, its a pastime they seem to enjoy so its beneficial in that respect. Peter300
  • Score: 1

2:19pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Peter300 says...

OLDLAD wrote:
A star player injured no new players on the horizon, doesn't bode well for the season. Not being negative but get feeling the board would be happy with mid table again.
No, they expect City to improve their league position and they also want at least one cup run. Very demanding. Just like the majority of supporters in fact.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: A star player injured no new players on the horizon, doesn't bode well for the season. Not being negative but get feeling the board would be happy with mid table again.[/p][/quote]No, they expect City to improve their league position and they also want at least one cup run. Very demanding. Just like the majority of supporters in fact. Peter300
  • Score: 1

2:31pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Peter300 says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
PP has made his feelings known via the press. Baldwin simply told US to calm down and be patient. When are we going to hear the truth as to where the remaining signings are? Has PP spent his budget on (perceived) quality instead of quantity? Is there money still available for a couple of signings AS WELL AS the loanees we are planning on bringing in?

It's about time someone actually spoke up instead of drip feeding soundbites of contrasting views (ie PP constantly asking the board to sign players and the board telling us reinforcements are coming)!!!!!
Please don't panic. The T&A did rather let Dave the Lecturer off the hook the other day. They never asked him about who would play in the League Cup. I'm sure someone will arrive. By the way I wish to commend the T&A for making condensed versions of Dave's lectures available online free of charge. They usually cost £250 (+VAT) to attend in person. Obviously online readers miss out on the buffet and concluding Q&A session.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: PP has made his feelings known via the press. Baldwin simply told US to calm down and be patient. When are we going to hear the truth as to where the remaining signings are? Has PP spent his budget on (perceived) quality instead of quantity? Is there money still available for a couple of signings AS WELL AS the loanees we are planning on bringing in? It's about time someone actually spoke up instead of drip feeding soundbites of contrasting views (ie PP constantly asking the board to sign players and the board telling us reinforcements are coming)!!!!![/p][/quote]Please don't panic. The T&A did rather let Dave the Lecturer off the hook the other day. They never asked him about who would play in the League Cup. I'm sure someone will arrive. By the way I wish to commend the T&A for making condensed versions of Dave's lectures available online free of charge. They usually cost £250 (+VAT) to attend in person. Obviously online readers miss out on the buffet and concluding Q&A session. Peter300
  • Score: 0

2:33pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Peter300 says...

tyker7745 wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
PP has made his feelings known via the press. Baldwin simply told US to calm down and be patient. When are we going to hear the truth as to where the remaining signings are? Has PP spent his budget on (perceived) quality instead of quantity? Is there money still available for a couple of signings AS WELL AS the loanees we are planning on bringing in?

It's about time someone actually spoke up instead of drip feeding soundbites of contrasting views (ie PP constantly asking the board to sign players and the board telling us reinforcements are coming)!!!!!
exactly: there are too many statements from the Board and Baldwin which simply do not stack up.

I can see Parky walking if he does not get some more leeway on players.

17 first team players including a loan keeper who can be recalled at any time is nowhere near enough.

Teams who have tried to minimise the number of players have fallen badly (Stevenage and the like).

Do the Board want that situation (in which case season ticket sales slump even further) or are they prepared to loosen the budget to help the manager in trying to achieve the aim suggested by Rhodes a year or so ago.
Parkinson will not walk. Fans will demand he's sacked and the board will act. As at every club.
[quote][p][bold]tyker7745[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: PP has made his feelings known via the press. Baldwin simply told US to calm down and be patient. When are we going to hear the truth as to where the remaining signings are? Has PP spent his budget on (perceived) quality instead of quantity? Is there money still available for a couple of signings AS WELL AS the loanees we are planning on bringing in? It's about time someone actually spoke up instead of drip feeding soundbites of contrasting views (ie PP constantly asking the board to sign players and the board telling us reinforcements are coming)!!!!![/p][/quote]exactly: there are too many statements from the Board and Baldwin which simply do not stack up. I can see Parky walking if he does not get some more leeway on players. 17 first team players including a loan keeper who can be recalled at any time is nowhere near enough. Teams who have tried to minimise the number of players have fallen badly (Stevenage and the like). Do the Board want that situation (in which case season ticket sales slump even further) or are they prepared to loosen the budget to help the manager in trying to achieve the aim suggested by Rhodes a year or so ago.[/p][/quote]Parkinson will not walk. Fans will demand he's sacked and the board will act. As at every club. Peter300
  • Score: 1

2:36pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Peter300 says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
tyker7745 wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
PP has made his feelings known via the press. Baldwin simply told US to calm down and be patient. When are we going to hear the truth as to where the remaining signings are? Has PP spent his budget on (perceived) quality instead of quantity? Is there money still available for a couple of signings AS WELL AS the loanees we are planning on bringing in?

It's about time someone actually spoke up instead of drip feeding soundbites of contrasting views (ie PP constantly asking the board to sign players and the board telling us reinforcements are coming)!!!!!
exactly: there are too many statements from the Board and Baldwin which simply do not stack up.

I can see Parky walking if he does not get some more leeway on players.

17 first team players including a loan keeper who can be recalled at any time is nowhere near enough.

Teams who have tried to minimise the number of players have fallen badly (Stevenage and the like).

Do the Board want that situation (in which case season ticket sales slump even further) or are they prepared to loosen the budget to help the manager in trying to achieve the aim suggested by Rhodes a year or so ago.
But what is the situation with the budget? Have they held some of it back? Has PP spent it all on the players he has signed? At the end of the day, the budget is the budget and needs to be managed accordingly.

My issue is, has PP not been given all his budget yet?
He'll know what it is, but is trying to be careful on where it goes. Let's face it, you will be the first to accuse him of bad signings and wasting money.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tyker7745[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: PP has made his feelings known via the press. Baldwin simply told US to calm down and be patient. When are we going to hear the truth as to where the remaining signings are? Has PP spent his budget on (perceived) quality instead of quantity? Is there money still available for a couple of signings AS WELL AS the loanees we are planning on bringing in? It's about time someone actually spoke up instead of drip feeding soundbites of contrasting views (ie PP constantly asking the board to sign players and the board telling us reinforcements are coming)!!!!![/p][/quote]exactly: there are too many statements from the Board and Baldwin which simply do not stack up. I can see Parky walking if he does not get some more leeway on players. 17 first team players including a loan keeper who can be recalled at any time is nowhere near enough. Teams who have tried to minimise the number of players have fallen badly (Stevenage and the like). Do the Board want that situation (in which case season ticket sales slump even further) or are they prepared to loosen the budget to help the manager in trying to achieve the aim suggested by Rhodes a year or so ago.[/p][/quote]But what is the situation with the budget? Have they held some of it back? Has PP spent it all on the players he has signed? At the end of the day, the budget is the budget and needs to be managed accordingly. My issue is, has PP not been given all his budget yet?[/p][/quote]He'll know what it is, but is trying to be careful on where it goes. Let's face it, you will be the first to accuse him of bad signings and wasting money. Peter300
  • Score: 1

3:42pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Pablo says...

BCFC 95 wrote:
Not looking forward to this season at all, squad is a shambles too thin on numbers and no quality in it. The new signings are average bar Sheehan who looks descent, we are worse off this year than last feel as a club we have gone backwards and there's Rhodes banging on about promotion, give your head a shake man we will not be challenging for top 6 and we will not finish mid table we will be scrapping for relegation unless you the board pull your fingers out and spend sum money or we are never going to get anywhere and parky will walk!!!!!
You and me, too!

I was going to watch the game this afternoon but, quite honestly, I couldn't be bothered.

I can't see where the goals are going to come from. I just wonder how Hanson will cope in the new formation.

As yet, we've no pace in the squad. Don't forget, the squad includes three youngsters in Clarkson, McBurnie and Heaton who are not ready for League 1.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC 95[/bold] wrote: Not looking forward to this season at all, squad is a shambles too thin on numbers and no quality in it. The new signings are average bar Sheehan who looks descent, we are worse off this year than last feel as a club we have gone backwards and there's Rhodes banging on about promotion, give your head a shake man we will not be challenging for top 6 and we will not finish mid table we will be scrapping for relegation unless you the board pull your fingers out and spend sum money or we are never going to get anywhere and parky will walk!!!!![/p][/quote]You and me, too! I was going to watch the game this afternoon but, quite honestly, I couldn't be bothered. I can't see where the goals are going to come from. I just wonder how Hanson will cope in the new formation. As yet, we've no pace in the squad. Don't forget, the squad includes three youngsters in Clarkson, McBurnie and Heaton who are not ready for League 1. Pablo
  • Score: -3

4:00pm Sat 2 Aug 14

wolfspeak says...

Now come on lads lets be optimisic, hopefully Mclean will be injured all season and we can develop some youngsters who can score goals rather than this disinterested has been.
Now come on lads lets be optimisic, hopefully Mclean will be injured all season and we can develop some youngsters who can score goals rather than this disinterested has been. wolfspeak
  • Score: -5

4:47pm Sat 2 Aug 14

lonniejockstrap says...

Pablo wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that.

So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m).

In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k).
And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k).

This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??
Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus!

A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget.

We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt.

In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue.
I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.
Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m?

Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'?

If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'?

So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that. So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m). In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k). And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k). This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??[/p][/quote]Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus! A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget. We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt. In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue. I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m? Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'? If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'? So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'? lonniejockstrap
  • Score: 0

5:28pm Sat 2 Aug 14

nowt fresh says...

"City’s main goal hope has not kicked a ball in pre-season since straining his calf in their first week back" ready made excuse for when Aaron Mclean fails to score anything like the 20+ goals w require to replace Nahki's contribution, he never had a pre-season !! take his great goal scoring record at Peterborough away and his football league goal scoring record is average at best.
"City’s main goal hope has not kicked a ball in pre-season since straining his calf in their first week back" ready made excuse for when Aaron Mclean fails to score anything like the 20+ goals w require to replace Nahki's contribution, he never had a pre-season !! take his great goal scoring record at Peterborough away and his football league goal scoring record is average at best. nowt fresh
  • Score: 2

6:31pm Sat 2 Aug 14

lawsonio123 says...

Hoggy64 wrote:
Could be worse, apparently Blackpool only have 8 players!
Not any more they are signing
[quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Could be worse, apparently Blackpool only have 8 players![/p][/quote]Not any more they are signing lawsonio123
  • Score: 0

6:39pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Pablo says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that.

So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m).

In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k).
And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k).

This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??
Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus!

A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget.

We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt.

In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue.
I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.
Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m?

Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'?

If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'?

So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?
It's great to have you back, Michael, err sorry, Lonnie.

The figures are from Waynus, please query them with them.

If he annoys you, don't take your bat home like last time.

As we're short on players, do you think we should try and get Will Atkinson back. Strange, MC is a big fan of his too. Well, would you believe that?!?
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that. So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m). In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k). And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k). This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??[/p][/quote]Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus! A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget. We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt. In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue. I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m? Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'? If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'? So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?[/p][/quote]It's great to have you back, Michael, err sorry, Lonnie. The figures are from Waynus, please query them with them. If he annoys you, don't take your bat home like last time. As we're short on players, do you think we should try and get Will Atkinson back. Strange, MC is a big fan of his too. Well, would you believe that?!? Pablo
  • Score: 3

6:42pm Sat 2 Aug 14

lawsonio123 says...

Hove edge bantam wrote:
lawsonio123 wrote:
The Goal Machine is not what he seems to be now he is injured and not for the first time. Also way behind in fitness ( Parky) how fit was he when he reported for training I do not like saying this But it was a similar story when he came last season are we again playing catch up with this player the number of goals he scores do not warrant the cost unless something changes a great deal we have a bad signing here I HOPE I AM WRONG but do not bet on it
Be careful lawsonio MC doesn't like comments like this !!!!!!
But let's just wait and see .
To my mind Parky has got it wrong with Aaron last seasons excuses have come back to haunt us AGAIN I really hope i am wrong but the comparisons I made with Andy Gray and got well and truly slated for on here are totally wrong But have to admit alarm bells are deafening
Quite Frankly I do not give a dam what MC likes The Goal Machines production speaks for its self. and that as not been good this Last few years. Let me Quote A PROVEN GOAL SCORER yes going back several years now not fit until ???? I hope he gets better and starts scoring but please do not expect to much time is rolling on
[quote][p][bold]Hove edge bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawsonio123[/bold] wrote: The Goal Machine is not what he seems to be now he is injured and not for the first time. Also way behind in fitness ( Parky) how fit was he when he reported for training I do not like saying this But it was a similar story when he came last season are we again playing catch up with this player the number of goals he scores do not warrant the cost unless something changes a great deal we have a bad signing here I HOPE I AM WRONG but do not bet on it[/p][/quote]Be careful lawsonio MC doesn't like comments like this !!!!!! But let's just wait and see . To my mind Parky has got it wrong with Aaron last seasons excuses have come back to haunt us AGAIN I really hope i am wrong but the comparisons I made with Andy Gray and got well and truly slated for on here are totally wrong But have to admit alarm bells are deafening[/p][/quote]Quite Frankly I do not give a dam what MC likes The Goal Machines production speaks for its self. and that as not been good this Last few years. Let me Quote A PROVEN GOAL SCORER yes going back several years now not fit until ???? I hope he gets better and starts scoring but please do not expect to much time is rolling on lawsonio123
  • Score: 3

6:48pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that.

So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m).

In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k).
And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k).

This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??
Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus!

A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget.

We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt.

In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue.
I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.
Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m?

Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'?

If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'?

So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?
There staff wages to pay too along with the utility bills, travel and hotels away to name a few bills.
The bit we might get from renting the food kiosks won't pay those bills.
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that. So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m). In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k). And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k). This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??[/p][/quote]Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus! A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget. We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt. In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue. I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m? Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'? If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'? So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?[/p][/quote]There staff wages to pay too along with the utility bills, travel and hotels away to name a few bills. The bit we might get from renting the food kiosks won't pay those bills. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 0

7:14pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Pablo says...

Oh dear!

Lonnie's going to be wanting a detailed breakdown of gas, electric and water spend.

Better get the petrol receipts out, because he'll need to check those too.
Oh dear! Lonnie's going to be wanting a detailed breakdown of gas, electric and water spend. Better get the petrol receipts out, because he'll need to check those too. Pablo
  • Score: -1

8:17pm Sat 2 Aug 14

lonniejockstrap says...

Pablo wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that.

So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m).

In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k).
And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k).

This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??
Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus!

A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget.

We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt.

In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue.
I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.
Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m?

Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'?

If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'?

So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?
It's great to have you back, Michael, err sorry, Lonnie.

The figures are from Waynus, please query them with them.

If he annoys you, don't take your bat home like last time.

As we're short on players, do you think we should try and get Will Atkinson back. Strange, MC is a big fan of his too. Well, would you believe that?!?
Pablo, step away from your keyboard have a cup of tea and a Hobknob then think about trying defend your posts in a logical way.

Yes the figures are from waynus, I asked if YOU agreed with his figures or whether you are standing by YOUR £1.5m figure. Just thought I would ask you as you appear to think you are a financial expert on what City can or can't afford and hoped you could shed some light on why your 'budget' differs so much from waynus'.

And MC also rated Will Atkinson? WOW! Well what more evidence than that do we need? It's a fair cop guv, you got me bang to rights, there's no way I can talk mesen out of that one is there Columbo.
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that. So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m). In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k). And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k). This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??[/p][/quote]Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus! A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget. We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt. In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue. I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m? Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'? If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'? So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?[/p][/quote]It's great to have you back, Michael, err sorry, Lonnie. The figures are from Waynus, please query them with them. If he annoys you, don't take your bat home like last time. As we're short on players, do you think we should try and get Will Atkinson back. Strange, MC is a big fan of his too. Well, would you believe that?!?[/p][/quote]Pablo, step away from your keyboard have a cup of tea and a Hobknob then think about trying defend your posts in a logical way. Yes the figures are from waynus, I asked if YOU agreed with his figures or whether you are standing by YOUR £1.5m figure. Just thought I would ask you as you appear to think you are a financial expert on what City can or can't afford and hoped you could shed some light on why your 'budget' differs so much from waynus'. And MC also rated Will Atkinson? WOW! Well what more evidence than that do we need? It's a fair cop guv, you got me bang to rights, there's no way I can talk mesen out of that one is there Columbo. lonniejockstrap
  • Score: 3

8:21pm Sat 2 Aug 14

lonniejockstrap says...

Pablo wrote:
Oh dear!

Lonnie's going to be wanting a detailed breakdown of gas, electric and water spend.

Better get the petrol receipts out, because he'll need to check those too.
Nup, the player budget does not pay for the utility bills. You really don't know as much about the financial side of running the Club as you like to make out do Paqblo?
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: Oh dear! Lonnie's going to be wanting a detailed breakdown of gas, electric and water spend. Better get the petrol receipts out, because he'll need to check those too.[/p][/quote]Nup, the player budget does not pay for the utility bills. You really don't know as much about the financial side of running the Club as you like to make out do Paqblo? lonniejockstrap
  • Score: 2

8:44pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Pablo says...

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Pablo wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that.

So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m).

In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k).
And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k).

This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??
Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus!

A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget.

We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt.

In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue.
I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.
Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m?

Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'?

If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'?

So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?
It's great to have you back, Michael, err sorry, Lonnie.

The figures are from Waynus, please query them with them.

If he annoys you, don't take your bat home like last time.

As we're short on players, do you think we should try and get Will Atkinson back. Strange, MC is a big fan of his too. Well, would you believe that?!?
Pablo, step away from your keyboard have a cup of tea and a Hobknob then think about trying defend your posts in a logical way.

Yes the figures are from waynus, I asked if YOU agreed with his figures or whether you are standing by YOUR £1.5m figure. Just thought I would ask you as you appear to think you are a financial expert on what City can or can't afford and hoped you could shed some light on why your 'budget' differs so much from waynus'.

And MC also rated Will Atkinson? WOW! Well what more evidence than that do we need? It's a fair cop guv, you got me bang to rights, there's no way I can talk mesen out of that one is there Columbo.
Lonnie, if you read this forum regularly, you would know that the £1.5M figure is not mine. It was quoted by another poster on here, I believe, from a figure quoted by a City source. I always thought the budget was £2M.

It would suggest why we're struggling to increase the squad.

It's great to have you back. Do you also MC's (and mine also) annoyance at the Jon McLaughlin situation, and the way it was dealt with?
[quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that. So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m). In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k). And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k). This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??[/p][/quote]Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus! A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget. We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt. In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue. I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m? Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'? If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'? So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?[/p][/quote]It's great to have you back, Michael, err sorry, Lonnie. The figures are from Waynus, please query them with them. If he annoys you, don't take your bat home like last time. As we're short on players, do you think we should try and get Will Atkinson back. Strange, MC is a big fan of his too. Well, would you believe that?!?[/p][/quote]Pablo, step away from your keyboard have a cup of tea and a Hobknob then think about trying defend your posts in a logical way. Yes the figures are from waynus, I asked if YOU agreed with his figures or whether you are standing by YOUR £1.5m figure. Just thought I would ask you as you appear to think you are a financial expert on what City can or can't afford and hoped you could shed some light on why your 'budget' differs so much from waynus'. And MC also rated Will Atkinson? WOW! Well what more evidence than that do we need? It's a fair cop guv, you got me bang to rights, there's no way I can talk mesen out of that one is there Columbo.[/p][/quote]Lonnie, if you read this forum regularly, you would know that the £1.5M figure is not mine. It was quoted by another poster on here, I believe, from a figure quoted by a City source. I always thought the budget was £2M. It would suggest why we're struggling to increase the squad. It's great to have you back. Do you also MC's (and mine also) annoyance at the Jon McLaughlin situation, and the way it was dealt with? Pablo
  • Score: -3

8:47pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Pablo says...

Pablo wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Pablo wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that.

So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m).

In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k).
And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k).

This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??
Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus!

A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget.

We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt.

In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue.
I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.
Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m?

Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'?

If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'?

So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?
It's great to have you back, Michael, err sorry, Lonnie.

The figures are from Waynus, please query them with them.

If he annoys you, don't take your bat home like last time.

As we're short on players, do you think we should try and get Will Atkinson back. Strange, MC is a big fan of his too. Well, would you believe that?!?
Pablo, step away from your keyboard have a cup of tea and a Hobknob then think about trying defend your posts in a logical way.

Yes the figures are from waynus, I asked if YOU agreed with his figures or whether you are standing by YOUR £1.5m figure. Just thought I would ask you as you appear to think you are a financial expert on what City can or can't afford and hoped you could shed some light on why your 'budget' differs so much from waynus'.

And MC also rated Will Atkinson? WOW! Well what more evidence than that do we need? It's a fair cop guv, you got me bang to rights, there's no way I can talk mesen out of that one is there Columbo.
Lonnie, if you read this forum regularly, you would know that the £1.5M figure is not mine. It was quoted by another poster on here, I believe, from a figure quoted by a City source. I always thought the budget was £2M.

It would suggest why we're struggling to increase the squad.

It's great to have you back. Do you also MC's (and mine also) annoyance at the Jon McLaughlin situation, and the way it was dealt with?
"Share" MC's views.
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that. So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m). In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k). And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k). This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??[/p][/quote]Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus! A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget. We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt. In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue. I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m? Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'? If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'? So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?[/p][/quote]It's great to have you back, Michael, err sorry, Lonnie. The figures are from Waynus, please query them with them. If he annoys you, don't take your bat home like last time. As we're short on players, do you think we should try and get Will Atkinson back. Strange, MC is a big fan of his too. Well, would you believe that?!?[/p][/quote]Pablo, step away from your keyboard have a cup of tea and a Hobknob then think about trying defend your posts in a logical way. Yes the figures are from waynus, I asked if YOU agreed with his figures or whether you are standing by YOUR £1.5m figure. Just thought I would ask you as you appear to think you are a financial expert on what City can or can't afford and hoped you could shed some light on why your 'budget' differs so much from waynus'. And MC also rated Will Atkinson? WOW! Well what more evidence than that do we need? It's a fair cop guv, you got me bang to rights, there's no way I can talk mesen out of that one is there Columbo.[/p][/quote]Lonnie, if you read this forum regularly, you would know that the £1.5M figure is not mine. It was quoted by another poster on here, I believe, from a figure quoted by a City source. I always thought the budget was £2M. It would suggest why we're struggling to increase the squad. It's great to have you back. Do you also MC's (and mine also) annoyance at the Jon McLaughlin situation, and the way it was dealt with?[/p][/quote]"Share" MC's views. Pablo
  • Score: -3

8:55pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Nickloza says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that.

So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m).

In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k).
And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k).

This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??
Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus!

A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget.

We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt.

In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue.
I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.
Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m?

Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'?

If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'?

So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?
There staff wages to pay too along with the utility bills, travel and hotels away to name a few bills.
The bit we might get from renting the food kiosks won't pay those bills.
Not to mention all the various taxes.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that. So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m). In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k). And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k). This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??[/p][/quote]Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus! A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget. We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt. In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue. I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m? Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'? If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'? So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?[/p][/quote]There staff wages to pay too along with the utility bills, travel and hotels away to name a few bills. The bit we might get from renting the food kiosks won't pay those bills.[/p][/quote]Not to mention all the various taxes. Nickloza
  • Score: 1

9:03pm Sat 2 Aug 14

lawsonio123 says...

nowt fresh wrote:
"City’s main goal hope has not kicked a ball in pre-season since straining his calf in their first week back" ready made excuse for when Aaron Mclean fails to score anything like the 20+ goals w require to replace Nahki's contribution, he never had a pre-season !! take his great goal scoring record at Peterborough away and his football league goal scoring record is average at best.
You have hit the nail on the head and that was a long time ago
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: "City’s main goal hope has not kicked a ball in pre-season since straining his calf in their first week back" ready made excuse for when Aaron Mclean fails to score anything like the 20+ goals w require to replace Nahki's contribution, he never had a pre-season !! take his great goal scoring record at Peterborough away and his football league goal scoring record is average at best.[/p][/quote]You have hit the nail on the head and that was a long time ago lawsonio123
  • Score: 3

9:03pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Nickloza says...

Nickloza wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that.

So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m).

In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k).
And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k).

This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??
Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus!

A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget.

We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt.

In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue.
I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.
Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m?

Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'?

If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'?

So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?
There staff wages to pay too along with the utility bills, travel and hotels away to name a few bills.
The bit we might get from renting the food kiosks won't pay those bills.
Not to mention all the various taxes.
Some real amateur accountants on here! pablo being the daftest of them all!
[quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that. So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m). In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k). And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k). This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??[/p][/quote]Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus! A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget. We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt. In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue. I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m? Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'? If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'? So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?[/p][/quote]There staff wages to pay too along with the utility bills, travel and hotels away to name a few bills. The bit we might get from renting the food kiosks won't pay those bills.[/p][/quote]Not to mention all the various taxes.[/p][/quote]Some real amateur accountants on here! pablo being the daftest of them all! Nickloza
  • Score: 2

9:34pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Pablo says...

Nickloza wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that.

So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m).

In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k).
And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k).

This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??
Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus!

A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget.

We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt.

In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue.
I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.
Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m?

Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'?

If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'?

So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?
There staff wages to pay too along with the utility bills, travel and hotels away to name a few bills.
The bit we might get from renting the food kiosks won't pay those bills.
Not to mention all the various taxes.
Some real amateur accountants on here! pablo being the daftest of them all!
I think you've got your posters mixed up again, Nicola.

You're still rushing in like a bull at a gate.

Read, digest, gather your thoughts and then respond, Nicola.
[quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that. So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m). In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k). And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k). This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??[/p][/quote]Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus! A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget. We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt. In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue. I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m? Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'? If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'? So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?[/p][/quote]There staff wages to pay too along with the utility bills, travel and hotels away to name a few bills. The bit we might get from renting the food kiosks won't pay those bills.[/p][/quote]Not to mention all the various taxes.[/p][/quote]Some real amateur accountants on here! pablo being the daftest of them all![/p][/quote]I think you've got your posters mixed up again, Nicola. You're still rushing in like a bull at a gate. Read, digest, gather your thoughts and then respond, Nicola. Pablo
  • Score: -1

9:42pm Sat 2 Aug 14

lonniejockstrap says...

Pablo wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Pablo wrote:
lonniejockstrap wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that.

So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m).

In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k).
And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k).

This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??
Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus!

A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget.

We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt.

In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue.
I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.
Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m?

Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'?

If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'?

So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?
It's great to have you back, Michael, err sorry, Lonnie.

The figures are from Waynus, please query them with them.

If he annoys you, don't take your bat home like last time.

As we're short on players, do you think we should try and get Will Atkinson back. Strange, MC is a big fan of his too. Well, would you believe that?!?
Pablo, step away from your keyboard have a cup of tea and a Hobknob then think about trying defend your posts in a logical way.

Yes the figures are from waynus, I asked if YOU agreed with his figures or whether you are standing by YOUR £1.5m figure. Just thought I would ask you as you appear to think you are a financial expert on what City can or can't afford and hoped you could shed some light on why your 'budget' differs so much from waynus'.

And MC also rated Will Atkinson? WOW! Well what more evidence than that do we need? It's a fair cop guv, you got me bang to rights, there's no way I can talk mesen out of that one is there Columbo.
Lonnie, if you read this forum regularly, you would know that the £1.5M figure is not mine. It was quoted by another poster on here, I believe, from a figure quoted by a City source. I always thought the budget was £2M.

It would suggest why we're struggling to increase the squad.

It's great to have you back. Do you also MC's (and mine also) annoyance at the Jon McLaughlin situation, and the way it was dealt with?
Fair enough if the £1.5m figure you place so much reliance on is from another poster. I certainly wouldn't rely on second hand guesswork to then claim 'basic maths' will show the Club cant afford to have a squad of 19 and imply that someone must be a bit thick if I don't accept your premise and conclusion

I am not annoyed but disappointed that J Mc let his 30 day chance to accept a new offer elapse. If he had accepted he would have been 1st choice keeper. Meredith did the same but realised the grass wasn't as green as he thought it might be by holding out and was possibly fortunate to be resigned. City haven't been prepared to fund two '1st team' goalies so J Mc lost out to Pickford. JMc took a risk and it didn't work out, that's life. The board have a difficult job in making sure the Club is financially well run. They have my trust and full support. Maybe JMc could do with getting a new agent or maybe he is happy with the outcome. Good luck to the lad regardless.
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lonniejockstrap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: I do agree with the board that we shouldn't be spending money we haven't got though. Why should we have to sell an asset every couple of years to reduce the overspend. Baldwin has said enough times that PPs budget would be determined by ticket sales and that, as a club, we cannot afford to give him anymore than that. So, how much will we expect to make from sales? We sold just over 9,500 season tickets (but don't know the split of adults, youth, u11s etc). For arguments sake, let's say 75% are adults, 15% youth/OAP and rest u11. Adults - £1.425m; Youth - £142,500; u11 - £4,750 (sub-total £1.572m). In addition, we sold 2575 Flexi cards. Now, once again, we don't know the split between youth and adults or even how many matches they will attend. But conservative figures could be 2k adults paying £50 up front and another £100 each (£300,000). For the rest, you could argue that 175 are u11s and thus bringing in just £75 each (£13,125) and the remainder earning the club another £48,000 (sub-total £361k). And finally, we have pay-on-the-gate customers that average just over 1,000. Same formula used as earlier; 750x £20 x 23games =£345k; 150x £14 x 23 =£48k and 100x £12 x 23 = £27,600 (sub-total £420k). This would give PP a budget of £2.35m (remembering that these are just projections and I've been conservative too); so has PP used up that significant budget on his 17 man squad, or does he still have a sizeable budget left??[/p][/quote]Lonnie will be querying your figures, Waynus! A handful of well paid ( some extremely well paid!) players appear to have swallowed up the majority of the budget. We'll probably be looking to sign some out of work individuals we can pick up on the cheap and loanees from Premier clubs who we'll be getting for next to nowt. In the absence of any information, the conjecture will continue. I've been saying the figures don't stack up to me.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't you be the one 'querying' the figures produced by waynus Pablo? Or at least the 'conservative' 'budget of £2.35m? Did you not claim -only yesterday I think it was- that the budget was '£1.5m'? If you agree with waynus do you now believe there IS enough money in the budget for a 'squad of nineteen or twenty players at our level, for a total budget of £1.5M'? So who's 'figures don't stack up' yours or waynus'?[/p][/quote]It's great to have you back, Michael, err sorry, Lonnie. The figures are from Waynus, please query them with them. If he annoys you, don't take your bat home like last time. As we're short on players, do you think we should try and get Will Atkinson back. Strange, MC is a big fan of his too. Well, would you believe that?!?[/p][/quote]Pablo, step away from your keyboard have a cup of tea and a Hobknob then think about trying defend your posts in a logical way. Yes the figures are from waynus, I asked if YOU agreed with his figures or whether you are standing by YOUR £1.5m figure. Just thought I would ask you as you appear to think you are a financial expert on what City can or can't afford and hoped you could shed some light on why your 'budget' differs so much from waynus'. And MC also rated Will Atkinson? WOW! Well what more evidence than that do we need? It's a fair cop guv, you got me bang to rights, there's no way I can talk mesen out of that one is there Columbo.[/p][/quote]Lonnie, if you read this forum regularly, you would know that the £1.5M figure is not mine. It was quoted by another poster on here, I believe, from a figure quoted by a City source. I always thought the budget was £2M. It would suggest why we're struggling to increase the squad. It's great to have you back. Do you also MC's (and mine also) annoyance at the Jon McLaughlin situation, and the way it was dealt with?[/p][/quote]Fair enough if the £1.5m figure you place so much reliance on is from another poster. I certainly wouldn't rely on second hand guesswork to then claim 'basic maths' will show the Club cant afford to have a squad of 19 and imply that someone must be a bit thick if I don't accept your premise and conclusion I am not annoyed but disappointed that J Mc let his 30 day chance to accept a new offer elapse. If he had accepted he would have been 1st choice keeper. Meredith did the same but realised the grass wasn't as green as he thought it might be by holding out and was possibly fortunate to be resigned. City haven't been prepared to fund two '1st team' goalies so J Mc lost out to Pickford. JMc took a risk and it didn't work out, that's life. The board have a difficult job in making sure the Club is financially well run. They have my trust and full support. Maybe JMc could do with getting a new agent or maybe he is happy with the outcome. Good luck to the lad regardless. lonniejockstrap
  • Score: 1

12:10am Sun 3 Aug 14

Bradford1903 says...

Pre season has changed a lot over the years with player power greatly increasing.

Factors such as the Bosman ruling, agents convincing their player they are the best thing since sliced bread, and the totally ridiculous transfer window, with the obligatory interview with Harry Redknapp leaning out of some car window, means it takes a lot longer for clubs to finalise their squad.

I would expect at least a couple to come in this week, but I think you can only judge the effectiveness if the squad until after the end of the window.

Over the last decade we have had enough people who weren't really fit to wear the shirt, so let us make sure we get the right type of player.
Pre season has changed a lot over the years with player power greatly increasing. Factors such as the Bosman ruling, agents convincing their player they are the best thing since sliced bread, and the totally ridiculous transfer window, with the obligatory interview with Harry Redknapp leaning out of some car window, means it takes a lot longer for clubs to finalise their squad. I would expect at least a couple to come in this week, but I think you can only judge the effectiveness if the squad until after the end of the window. Over the last decade we have had enough people who weren't really fit to wear the shirt, so let us make sure we get the right type of player. Bradford1903
  • Score: 2

8:39am Sun 3 Aug 14

schroeder says...

OLDLAD wrote:
A star player injured no new players on the horizon, doesn't bode well for the season. Not being negative but get feeling the board would be happy with mid table again.
I'd be happy with mid table again too. I doubt Gillingham fans are expecting for anything more, and they went up with as runaway champions - we scraped through the play off's.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: A star player injured no new players on the horizon, doesn't bode well for the season. Not being negative but get feeling the board would be happy with mid table again.[/p][/quote]I'd be happy with mid table again too. I doubt Gillingham fans are expecting for anything more, and they went up with as runaway champions - we scraped through the play off's. schroeder
  • Score: 1

11:10am Sun 3 Aug 14

Michael Clayton says...

lawsonio123 wrote:
Hove edge bantam wrote:
lawsonio123 wrote:
The Goal Machine is not what he seems to be now he is injured and not for the first time. Also way behind in fitness ( Parky) how fit was he when he reported for training I do not like saying this But it was a similar story when he came last season are we again playing catch up with this player the number of goals he scores do not warrant the cost unless something changes a great deal we have a bad signing here I HOPE I AM WRONG but do not bet on it
Be careful lawsonio MC doesn't like comments like this !!!!!!
But let's just wait and see .
To my mind Parky has got it wrong with Aaron last seasons excuses have come back to haunt us AGAIN I really hope i am wrong but the comparisons I made with Andy Gray and got well and truly slated for on here are totally wrong But have to admit alarm bells are deafening
Quite Frankly I do not give a dam what MC likes The Goal Machines production speaks for its self. and that as not been good this Last few years. Let me Quote A PROVEN GOAL SCORER yes going back several years now not fit until ???? I hope he gets better and starts scoring but please do not expect to much time is rolling on
One of your problems (Lawnsio) is that you cannot put the commentator before the comment. You have a very authoritarian style which possibly stems from your past experience as a director. This means that you cannot handle a discussion.

As for you (Hove Edge Bantam), you are just a lap dog; desperately seeking approval. It is time you stood on your own to feet.

Not forgetting that neither of you chose to condemn the person who made the racial slurs about McLean. That just about sums the pair of you up.
[quote][p][bold]lawsonio123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hove edge bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawsonio123[/bold] wrote: The Goal Machine is not what he seems to be now he is injured and not for the first time. Also way behind in fitness ( Parky) how fit was he when he reported for training I do not like saying this But it was a similar story when he came last season are we again playing catch up with this player the number of goals he scores do not warrant the cost unless something changes a great deal we have a bad signing here I HOPE I AM WRONG but do not bet on it[/p][/quote]Be careful lawsonio MC doesn't like comments like this !!!!!! But let's just wait and see . To my mind Parky has got it wrong with Aaron last seasons excuses have come back to haunt us AGAIN I really hope i am wrong but the comparisons I made with Andy Gray and got well and truly slated for on here are totally wrong But have to admit alarm bells are deafening[/p][/quote]Quite Frankly I do not give a dam what MC likes The Goal Machines production speaks for its self. and that as not been good this Last few years. Let me Quote A PROVEN GOAL SCORER yes going back several years now not fit until ???? I hope he gets better and starts scoring but please do not expect to much time is rolling on[/p][/quote]One of your problems (Lawnsio) is that you cannot put the commentator before the comment. You have a very authoritarian style which possibly stems from your past experience as a director. This means that you cannot handle a discussion. As for you (Hove Edge Bantam), you are just a lap dog; desperately seeking approval. It is time you stood on your own to feet. Not forgetting that neither of you chose to condemn the person who made the racial slurs about McLean. That just about sums the pair of you up. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -1

11:21am Sun 3 Aug 14

Michael Clayton says...

Having ploughed through this thread, I think there is a lot of misplaced panic.

It is rather like someone going out of their house and thinking they have left the gas switched on.

I have been to watch a couple of training sessions and can report that everything appears to be OK in the camp.

Do yourselves a favour. Take a chill pill and put your faith in a a manager who is resurrecting the fortunes of the club. As Hove Edge Bantam said "lets just wait and see".

In any case, it is out of your hands so stop getting your knickers in a twist.
Having ploughed through this thread, I think there is a lot of misplaced panic. It is rather like someone going out of their house and thinking they have left the gas switched on. I have been to watch a couple of training sessions and can report that everything appears to be OK in the camp. Do yourselves a favour. Take a chill pill and put your faith in a a manager who is resurrecting the fortunes of the club. As Hove Edge Bantam said "lets just wait and see". In any case, it is out of your hands so stop getting your knickers in a twist. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -2

2:12pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Tecnotronic says...

Itl be allreet on the neet. Funny old game is football.
Itl be allreet on the neet. Funny old game is football. Tecnotronic
  • Score: 0

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