Green 'willing to continue fighting' over Bradford Bulls points deduction

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Bulls owner Marc Green Bulls owner Marc Green

BULLS chairman Marc Green says he will make a decision next week on whether to take further legal action against the club’s six-point penalty.

Green has already seen his appeal to win back the points fail after an independent Sporting Sanctions Appeal Panel upheld the punishment last week.

But Green is still considering pursuing the matter in the High Court and will make a call after tomorrow’s game with Hull KR.

He said: “In respect of the points deduction, despite this being unpopular with others in the game, the club will be making a decision next week as to whether to take matters to the High Court.

“While I appreciate the comments made suggesting we should accept our medicine and move on, I can only acquiesce to such thought process if I am satisfied the original decision was correct.

“Just because a doctor provides a diagnosis, it does not mean you are not entitled to a second opinion. The issues surrounding the points deduction and our appeal were and remain extremely complex.

“However, we believe the decision reached by the Sporting Sanctions Appeals Panel was not only flawed but completely wrong and, as a result, I am willing to continue fighting the fight for this great club.

“If, however, we are relegated, we will put every effort into returning in the quickest time possible. The club will operate a full-time first team and there will be no redundancies as a result of relegation, in any department.”

 

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7:37am Thu 19 Jun 14

Archie's Ghost says...

Good on Green. Some one prepared to scrap for the club rather than roll over.
Good on Green. Some one prepared to scrap for the club rather than roll over. Archie's Ghost
  • Score: 5

8:00am Thu 19 Jun 14

slattsdad says...

Archie's Ghost wrote:
Good on Green. Some one prepared to scrap for the club rather than roll over.
what utter tosh, why wait till after Fridays game to decide whether to appeal or not if he believes the decision made by the panel was " not only flawed but completely wrong and as a result i am willing to fight for this great club" If ya gonna do it then do it!!!
[quote][p][bold]Archie's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Good on Green. Some one prepared to scrap for the club rather than roll over.[/p][/quote]what utter tosh, why wait till after Fridays game to decide whether to appeal or not if he believes the decision made by the panel was " not only flawed but completely wrong and as a result i am willing to fight for this great club" If ya gonna do it then do it!!! slattsdad
  • Score: -1

8:03am Thu 19 Jun 14

Gary Robo says...

Agree with Archie's comments,

Listen everybody. Too many posters on here just want to write crap. They wish to knock the club at every opportunity and anybody who is associated with it. Green didn't do anything wrong other than take a stance to protect his financial interests under the old management. The assistance he provided to the previous owners was considered at the time to be our saviour so lets not blame him for very poor management of those funds.

Furthermore, those idiot posters who keep moaning about the lack of spending need to take a reality check. These are the same idiots who also say that we've spent recklessly in the past and should manage our finances better. You idiots do not represent the voice of Bradford Bulls fans. We true fans stand behind the club and all those who are working hard to get us back on a firm footing.

Green's plan is to spend wisely and make sure that the foundations are in place to work towards the long term benefit of the club. We all enjoyed
the razamataz rugby when we were winning games by half time but we also now know the cost of achieving that was greater than the revenues we had coming in.

I am sickened by the result of last Sunday. FC had to go because he failed to rally the boys to delivering what would have otherwise seen us after this coming weekends game being possibly 3 points behind The Reds. The HKR fixture and the Reds game at The Wolves would have had a whole different complexion.

Regardless people. Lets turn up in our numbers as we like to do. Lets cheer on the boys and lets support our club,. We are The Bulls and it's going to need all of our efforts to get this back on track.

We can't change the past so we move forward
Agree with Archie's comments, Listen everybody. Too many posters on here just want to write crap. They wish to knock the club at every opportunity and anybody who is associated with it. Green didn't do anything wrong other than take a stance to protect his financial interests under the old management. The assistance he provided to the previous owners was considered at the time to be our saviour so lets not blame him for very poor management of those funds. Furthermore, those idiot posters who keep moaning about the lack of spending need to take a reality check. These are the same idiots who also say that we've spent recklessly in the past and should manage our finances better. You idiots do not represent the voice of Bradford Bulls fans. We true fans stand behind the club and all those who are working hard to get us back on a firm footing. Green's plan is to spend wisely and make sure that the foundations are in place to work towards the long term benefit of the club. We all enjoyed the razamataz rugby when we were winning games by half time but we also now know the cost of achieving that was greater than the revenues we had coming in. I am sickened by the result of last Sunday. FC had to go because he failed to rally the boys to delivering what would have otherwise seen us after this coming weekends game being possibly 3 points behind The Reds. The HKR fixture and the Reds game at The Wolves would have had a whole different complexion. Regardless people. Lets turn up in our numbers as we like to do. Lets cheer on the boys and lets support our club,. We are The Bulls and it's going to need all of our efforts to get this back on track. We can't change the past so we move forward Gary Robo
  • Score: 18

8:09am Thu 19 Jun 14

gordon ramsay says...

Personally I think we should let this go now.

The reality is that we tried and failed and as a club we need to move on. Put our efforts and finances into rebuilding for next year.

Sadly we are so bad on the pitch I fear we would still drop if they awarded the full 6. On the fixtures we have left I can only see a last day win v London.

Let's have a bit if class and look forward. It's time to rebuild and move on.
Personally I think we should let this go now. The reality is that we tried and failed and as a club we need to move on. Put our efforts and finances into rebuilding for next year. Sadly we are so bad on the pitch I fear we would still drop if they awarded the full 6. On the fixtures we have left I can only see a last day win v London. Let's have a bit if class and look forward. It's time to rebuild and move on. gordon ramsay
  • Score: 14

8:38am Thu 19 Jun 14

bully4us says...

I wonder if a change in coach will encourage some players to either stay for next year or join us now or again for next year. I see that Carvell has gone out on loan to Cas. If Jimmy is to get the job I hope he gets it tomorrow and he introduces himself to the squad in time to make them think about the performance they are about to put in.

Gary, Spot on with your thoughts. Don't forget the internet attracts people that you describe. They get their enjoyment that way. Whenever it shows one on TV after a court case they do look as thick and stupid as they write.

The real supporters - not the internet moaners who never go - will continue to follow the Bulls.
I wonder if a change in coach will encourage some players to either stay for next year or join us now or again for next year. I see that Carvell has gone out on loan to Cas. If Jimmy is to get the job I hope he gets it tomorrow and he introduces himself to the squad in time to make them think about the performance they are about to put in. Gary, Spot on with your thoughts. Don't forget the internet attracts people that you describe. They get their enjoyment that way. Whenever it shows one on TV after a court case they do look as thick and stupid as they write. The real supporters - not the internet moaners who never go - will continue to follow the Bulls. bully4us
  • Score: 4

9:02am Thu 19 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Well said Gary Robo and Bully4us,
I now live in spain but I will be over in July and part of August.I am a lifelong fan of over 60 years and I will still be there regardless of the situation the Bulls find themselves in.Me and my new friend Axelf and his workmate nosher.
Well said Gary Robo and Bully4us, I now live in spain but I will be over in July and part of August.I am a lifelong fan of over 60 years and I will still be there regardless of the situation the Bulls find themselves in.Me and my new friend Axelf and his workmate nosher. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: -7

9:17am Thu 19 Jun 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

there is a difference between spending wisely and not spending at all.

We need to let the points issue go and move on and finish the season with what little pride we can salvage.

Green's last attempt at appealing the ruling did not even meet the full criteria to have the appeal heard, so trying again is only making us look petty in the eyes of other SL Clubs (see Hull Chairmans comments). Going to war with the RFL is not going to benefit the Club in the long term. Talk about bite the hand that feeds.
there is a difference between spending wisely and not spending at all. We need to let the points issue go and move on and finish the season with what little pride we can salvage. Green's last attempt at appealing the ruling did not even meet the full criteria to have the appeal heard, so trying again is only making us look petty in the eyes of other SL Clubs (see Hull Chairmans comments). Going to war with the RFL is not going to benefit the Club in the long term. Talk about bite the hand that feeds. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 9

9:54am Thu 19 Jun 14

raisemeup says...

The points are irrelevant, but the process and the way it was handled is a matter of some concern. If we are to trust that the ruling body of our sport is to be beyond reproach, due diligence, needs to not only be apparent but also transparent also, to do less is to treat the process as wholly one sided. Marc Green obviously feels that they are dismissive of our rights in this situation, otherwise as he has said he would have accepted the decision after the tribunal was eventually held.
The points are irrelevant, but the process and the way it was handled is a matter of some concern. If we are to trust that the ruling body of our sport is to be beyond reproach, due diligence, needs to not only be apparent but also transparent also, to do less is to treat the process as wholly one sided. Marc Green obviously feels that they are dismissive of our rights in this situation, otherwise as he has said he would have accepted the decision after the tribunal was eventually held. raisemeup
  • Score: 1

10:20am Thu 19 Jun 14

Bowlingboy says...

in my humble opinion, they should have put effort into playing staff and coaching rather than messing about with legal action,
That way your destiny is in your own hands.....
in my humble opinion, they should have put effort into playing staff and coaching rather than messing about with legal action, That way your destiny is in your own hands..... Bowlingboy
  • Score: 3

12:46pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Pablo says...

Bowlingboy wrote:
in my humble opinion, they should have put effort into playing staff and coaching rather than messing about with legal action,
That way your destiny is in your own hands.....
I totally agree. It's a distraction. I believe that part of the reason for the abject performance against Salford was the anti climax felt by the players following the result of the appeal.

It may well be an injustice but we can only be losers with RFL in the long run, if we continue fighting it.

The only way to get those points back is on the pitch and that's where all our efforts should be concentrated.
[quote][p][bold]Bowlingboy[/bold] wrote: in my humble opinion, they should have put effort into playing staff and coaching rather than messing about with legal action, That way your destiny is in your own hands.....[/p][/quote]I totally agree. It's a distraction. I believe that part of the reason for the abject performance against Salford was the anti climax felt by the players following the result of the appeal. It may well be an injustice but we can only be losers with RFL in the long run, if we continue fighting it. The only way to get those points back is on the pitch and that's where all our efforts should be concentrated. Pablo
  • Score: 3

1:04pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Sense99 says...

I don't think I am an idiot poster and I am definitely a true Bradford fan. I went and watched them get hammered by a very poor Salford side last weekend and will watch them get hammered by a poor KR side on Friday. But I don't want to waste my money either, so I expect a certain degree of sensible spending by Green. All I have seen is a complete lack of ANY spending.

No one is asking Green to waste his money or be reckless with it. But common sense would say when he bought the club in the state it was in he knew he would have to investment some money short term, you can use the term "waste it", to ensure he secured a coach and some players capable of keeping us in SL. Instead he has done nothing. As well as investing for the long term.

He doesn't look like he wants to put his hands in his pocket at all, and just wants a club on the cheap. So he deserves no praise so far !
I don't think I am an idiot poster and I am definitely a true Bradford fan. I went and watched them get hammered by a very poor Salford side last weekend and will watch them get hammered by a poor KR side on Friday. But I don't want to waste my money either, so I expect a certain degree of sensible spending by Green. All I have seen is a complete lack of ANY spending. No one is asking Green to waste his money or be reckless with it. But common sense would say when he bought the club in the state it was in he knew he would have to investment some money short term, you can use the term "waste it", to ensure he secured a coach and some players capable of keeping us in SL. Instead he has done nothing. As well as investing for the long term. He doesn't look like he wants to put his hands in his pocket at all, and just wants a club on the cheap. So he deserves no praise so far ! Sense99
  • Score: 0

1:26pm Thu 19 Jun 14

gordon ramsay says...

Sense99 wrote:
I don't think I am an idiot poster and I am definitely a true Bradford fan. I went and watched them get hammered by a very poor Salford side last weekend and will watch them get hammered by a poor KR side on Friday. But I don't want to waste my money either, so I expect a certain degree of sensible spending by Green. All I have seen is a complete lack of ANY spending. No one is asking Green to waste his money or be reckless with it. But common sense would say when he bought the club in the state it was in he knew he would have to investment some money short term, you can use the term "waste it", to ensure he secured a coach and some players capable of keeping us in SL. Instead he has done nothing. As well as investing for the long term. He doesn't look like he wants to put his hands in his pocket at all, and just wants a club on the cheap. So he deserves no praise so far !
On spending their are 2 key points for me:

1. Unlike soccer there is no huge pool of players to access. As such mid season there is nobody to spend any money on.Other tha loans why would anybody commit to a permanent deal to a doomed club?

2. What what point do you cut your losses? For me this season is already completely dead and has been for some time as we are so so poor. Nobody decent would sign for a doomed club and are the resources not better preserved for next season? This also allows us to blood youngsters in preparation for next season also.
[quote][p][bold]Sense99[/bold] wrote: I don't think I am an idiot poster and I am definitely a true Bradford fan. I went and watched them get hammered by a very poor Salford side last weekend and will watch them get hammered by a poor KR side on Friday. But I don't want to waste my money either, so I expect a certain degree of sensible spending by Green. All I have seen is a complete lack of ANY spending. No one is asking Green to waste his money or be reckless with it. But common sense would say when he bought the club in the state it was in he knew he would have to investment some money short term, you can use the term "waste it", to ensure he secured a coach and some players capable of keeping us in SL. Instead he has done nothing. As well as investing for the long term. He doesn't look like he wants to put his hands in his pocket at all, and just wants a club on the cheap. So he deserves no praise so far ![/p][/quote]On spending their are 2 key points for me: 1. Unlike soccer there is no huge pool of players to access. As such mid season there is nobody to spend any money on.Other tha loans why would anybody commit to a permanent deal to a doomed club? 2. What what point do you cut your losses? For me this season is already completely dead and has been for some time as we are so so poor. Nobody decent would sign for a doomed club and are the resources not better preserved for next season? This also allows us to blood youngsters in preparation for next season also. gordon ramsay
  • Score: 3

1:44pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Sense99 says...

I understand there is not a huge pool of players available. My frustration is we could have tried harder, and if we had tried sooner, then we wouldn't necessarily be doomed - so someone might have signed for us. Other teams have managed to sign players, and yes they might have had to buy them out of contract, but that's the way it is. And he could have always secured the services of a proven coach to work alongside FC while he was in his job. As it's the coach and his vision, and improvements on the pitch that often encourage players to sign.

I agree this season is dead now, but it wouldn't have been if action had been taken sooner. I agree no one will sign for us now.

My great worry is that Green and everyone, even all the Bradford fans, think we will just bounce back into SL. But with the SL clubs on a salary cap of £1.8m and the Championship on £1m next year, and obviously ALL the best players playing in SL. We will need miracle to get promoted (as will any team in the Championship) when the bottom 4 SL clubs play against the top 4 championship clubs to get promoted. The odds are so massively, massively stacked in favour of the SL clubs. Do we really think next year we can beat the bottom 4 SL clubs (say Wakey, KR, Salford, Widnes ?) when we will have an even worse team than this year, i.e. no Gale, etc.
I understand there is not a huge pool of players available. My frustration is we could have tried harder, and if we had tried sooner, then we wouldn't necessarily be doomed - so someone might have signed for us. Other teams have managed to sign players, and yes they might have had to buy them out of contract, but that's the way it is. And he could have always secured the services of a proven coach to work alongside FC while he was in his job. As it's the coach and his vision, and improvements on the pitch that often encourage players to sign. I agree this season is dead now, but it wouldn't have been if action had been taken sooner. I agree no one will sign for us now. My great worry is that Green and everyone, even all the Bradford fans, think we will just bounce back into SL. But with the SL clubs on a salary cap of £1.8m and the Championship on £1m next year, and obviously ALL the best players playing in SL. We will need miracle to get promoted (as will any team in the Championship) when the bottom 4 SL clubs play against the top 4 championship clubs to get promoted. The odds are so massively, massively stacked in favour of the SL clubs. Do we really think next year we can beat the bottom 4 SL clubs (say Wakey, KR, Salford, Widnes ?) when we will have an even worse team than this year, i.e. no Gale, etc. Sense99
  • Score: 1

1:59pm Thu 19 Jun 14

blue marlin says...

Appeal or not to appeal that is the question?
well lets wait and see if we win or loose tomorrow am i the only one who thought that?
Appeal or not to appeal that is the question? well lets wait and see if we win or loose tomorrow am i the only one who thought that? blue marlin
  • Score: 4

3:30pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Bull4Life says...

Totally disagree with everybody who says we should forget the 6 points and move on.

Despite all the constant poor performances and no-shows thus far, we have won only a single game less than both Wakefield and Salford.
We still have London Broncos to play, which even by our poor standards is still a game we should win. There is still the very real possibility that come the end of the season, we are relegated by only the 6 points deducted and nothing more.

If that was the case, and Mark Green were to have decided not to take things further when there was the opportunity to do so, not only would it be a big kick in the teeth for him, but you people who are currently telling him to let it go would be on his back for doing so!

But more importantly than that, for the integrity of the sport, if there has been any wrong doings on the part of the RFL or anyone else in this whole debacle, then it needs to be exposed - whether or not our own season is beyond rescue is completely irrelevent. We must find out, by hook or by crook, what has transpired. Clearly something out of the ordinary for Mark Green to consider spending his own cash - yes his OWN cash, NOT the Bulls cash - and feel that he has a very strong case.

The fact that the so called 'independent review panel' didnt see fit that our case should even be considered sends out big red warning flags - something is being kept under wraps.
Totally disagree with everybody who says we should forget the 6 points and move on. Despite all the constant poor performances and no-shows thus far, we have won only a single game less than both Wakefield and Salford. We still have London Broncos to play, which even by our poor standards is still a game we should win. There is still the very real possibility that come the end of the season, we are relegated by only the 6 points deducted and nothing more. If that was the case, and Mark Green were to have decided not to take things further when there was the opportunity to do so, not only would it be a big kick in the teeth for him, but you people who are currently telling him to let it go would be on his back for doing so! But more importantly than that, for the integrity of the sport, if there has been any wrong doings on the part of the RFL or anyone else in this whole debacle, then it needs to be exposed - whether or not our own season is beyond rescue is completely irrelevent. We must find out, by hook or by crook, what has transpired. Clearly something out of the ordinary for Mark Green to consider spending his own cash - yes his OWN cash, NOT the Bulls cash - and feel that he has a very strong case. The fact that the so called 'independent review panel' didnt see fit that our case should even be considered sends out big red warning flags - something is being kept under wraps. Bull4Life
  • Score: 0

11:22pm Thu 19 Jun 14

bradfordbronco says...

to those who think Marc Green isn't spending his money on the club should ask themselves Who else is funding the players and other staff wages and the other costs at the moment?. The season ticket money has been spent. Not many pay on the day to watch RL anymore at any club. The Bulls only get half the central funding of the other clubs. Someone has to pay the bills. if they don't think Marc Green is doing the job perhaps they'd like to mortgage their homes and put the cash into the club.
to those who think Marc Green isn't spending his money on the club should ask themselves Who else is funding the players and other staff wages and the other costs at the moment?. The season ticket money has been spent. Not many pay on the day to watch RL anymore at any club. The Bulls only get half the central funding of the other clubs. Someone has to pay the bills. if they don't think Marc Green is doing the job perhaps they'd like to mortgage their homes and put the cash into the club. bradfordbronco
  • Score: 1

11:38pm Thu 19 Jun 14

portugalbull says...

Have said before the only way we are ever going to get near the truth is if Mr Green takes this to court.
Still like to know how independent panel is independent with 2 out of 3 working for company that regularly work for RFL. Not saying that they were biased but should not be put in that position by RFL.
Have said before the only way we are ever going to get near the truth is if Mr Green takes this to court. Still like to know how independent panel is independent with 2 out of 3 working for company that regularly work for RFL. Not saying that they were biased but should not be put in that position by RFL. portugalbull
  • Score: 0

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