Cummins remains defiant after points penalty is upheld

Bulls coach Francis Cummins

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FRANCIS Cummins last night spoke of his determination to defy the odds and keep the Bulls in Super League after the club’s points appeal ended in failure.

An independent sporting sanctions panel upheld the RFL’s six-point penalty against the Bulls, leaving Cummins’ side six points adrift of third-bottom Wakefield with twelve rounds remaining.

After it was revealed that the Bulls did not meet the criteria to even have their appeal considered, the club released a statement suggesting they may take the matter further, which could involve a High Court challenge against their initial punishment by the RFL.

Owner Marc Green has already paid £5,000 for the appeal in addition to legal costs and said last night's news was a "kick in the teeth".

A club spokesman said: “Prior to the appeal hearing, we had already taken initial legal advice on our options should the appeal fail.

“We will now pursue those options with a view to making a decision on how to take matters further forward in the belief that the decision made was wrong.”

RFL chief operating officer Ralph Rimmer called on the Bulls to “move on” but Cummins believes his side are good enough to stay up regardless.

The head coach, whose side travel to Salford on Sunday, said: “I had purposely not built my hopes up because the reality is we are where we are.

“That’s not changed but I’ve got a bunch of lads who are desperate to make those points back up.

“Our conversations all along have been that we can’t rely on anyone else but ourselves.

“That’s what we have focused on. We all share the disappointment of today’s news and it’s up to Marc to do what he’s got to do now.

“We’ve got to concentrate on what we’re paid to do and that means getting some momentum going again.

“It’s not a huge gap. If you’ve got three games left then it is but not when you’ve got twelve matches left to play.

“We’ve been through a lot but what a great achievement it would be to get the job done – and we’re determined to do it.

“Marc spoke to the boys and echoed what I’ve been saying all along – we’re going to need everyone in this together and if we are then we believe we can do it.”

The RFL says the independent sporting sanctions appeal panel will hand down a full written judgement within the next 14 days.

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7:49am Thu 12 Jun 14

The Fat Lady Sings says...

But the performances on the pitch have been in no way good enough even with our depleted squad. The basics are missing as is the enthusiasm. All we ever get is "great effort". It's just not good enough and that is down to you and your coaches, Mr Cummins.
But the performances on the pitch have been in no way good enough even with our depleted squad. The basics are missing as is the enthusiasm. All we ever get is "great effort". It's just not good enough and that is down to you and your coaches, Mr Cummins. The Fat Lady Sings
  • Score: 17

8:37am Thu 12 Jun 14

flashdonut says...

The Fat Lady Sings wrote:
But the performances on the pitch have been in no way good enough even with our depleted squad. The basics are missing as is the enthusiasm. All we ever get is "great effort". It's just not good enough and that is down to you and your coaches, Mr Cummins.
Kind of agree. But FC's squad contained Carvell, Heath, Scruton, Winterstein, Bateman & Sammut. Those players were taken away from him. It is unfair to judge him on this weakened squad. As the saying goes, you can't polish a turd. He can't turn a bunch or average players into world beaters.
[quote][p][bold]The Fat Lady Sings[/bold] wrote: But the performances on the pitch have been in no way good enough even with our depleted squad. The basics are missing as is the enthusiasm. All we ever get is "great effort". It's just not good enough and that is down to you and your coaches, Mr Cummins.[/p][/quote]Kind of agree. But FC's squad contained Carvell, Heath, Scruton, Winterstein, Bateman & Sammut. Those players were taken away from him. It is unfair to judge him on this weakened squad. As the saying goes, you can't polish a turd. He can't turn a bunch or average players into world beaters. flashdonut
  • Score: 5

8:57am Thu 12 Jun 14

caledonia15 says...

flashdonut wrote:
The Fat Lady Sings wrote:
But the performances on the pitch have been in no way good enough even with our depleted squad. The basics are missing as is the enthusiasm. All we ever get is "great effort". It's just not good enough and that is down to you and your coaches, Mr Cummins.
Kind of agree. But FC's squad contained Carvell, Heath, Scruton, Winterstein, Bateman & Sammut. Those players were taken away from him. It is unfair to judge him on this weakened squad. As the saying goes, you can't polish a turd. He can't turn a bunch or average players into world beaters.
I too have some sympathy for Cummins with regards to the players lost over the winter period, if that squad had been kept together then things would have no doubt been different to the mess we are in now. Its sad to see players that were brought up through the bulls ranks doing the business for teams in S.L. and Aus, we could have had a superb pack of home grown talent if these players had of stayed, I don't however blame them for moving on, better opportunities and the basic fact that you would get paid for their efforts is a great motivating factor
However the some of the present players don't appear to be interested in the S.L. future of Bradford Bulls. no doubt they will (or have already got) get something lined up for next year when we will be playing in the championship, As the first post quite rightly states enthusiasm, pride and commitment have been very sadly lacking in certain quarters
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Fat Lady Sings[/bold] wrote: But the performances on the pitch have been in no way good enough even with our depleted squad. The basics are missing as is the enthusiasm. All we ever get is "great effort". It's just not good enough and that is down to you and your coaches, Mr Cummins.[/p][/quote]Kind of agree. But FC's squad contained Carvell, Heath, Scruton, Winterstein, Bateman & Sammut. Those players were taken away from him. It is unfair to judge him on this weakened squad. As the saying goes, you can't polish a turd. He can't turn a bunch or average players into world beaters.[/p][/quote]I too have some sympathy for Cummins with regards to the players lost over the winter period, if that squad had been kept together then things would have no doubt been different to the mess we are in now. Its sad to see players that were brought up through the bulls ranks doing the business for teams in S.L. and Aus, we could have had a superb pack of home grown talent if these players had of stayed, I don't however blame them for moving on, better opportunities and the basic fact that you would get paid for their efforts is a great motivating factor However the some of the present players don't appear to be interested in the S.L. future of Bradford Bulls. no doubt they will (or have already got) get something lined up for next year when we will be playing in the championship, As the first post quite rightly states enthusiasm, pride and commitment have been very sadly lacking in certain quarters caledonia15
  • Score: 7

8:59am Thu 12 Jun 14

bradford_Northern says...

flashdonut wrote:
The Fat Lady Sings wrote:
But the performances on the pitch have been in no way good enough even with our depleted squad. The basics are missing as is the enthusiasm. All we ever get is "great effort". It's just not good enough and that is down to you and your coaches, Mr Cummins.
Kind of agree. But FC's squad contained Carvell, Heath, Scruton, Winterstein, Bateman & Sammut. Those players were taken away from him. It is unfair to judge him on this weakened squad. As the saying goes, you can't polish a turd. He can't turn a bunch or average players into world beaters.
He may not be able to turn a bunch of average players into world beaters, but he should be able to motivate them and get 100% effort. I've been watching Northern for 40+ years now and the only thing I've ever wanted out of the players is effort - If they give you that and put their body on the line every week then you have to applaud them and get behind them. Unfortunately, I don't see that effort this year from quite a few of the players. We all know that we are in a difficult position and motivation must be hard.
This is where I think FC is falling short. His effort is definitely there, but I don't believe he has the experience, guile, or man-management skills to pull this group of players through.
I'm trying not to be negative, but I do think a more experienced coach is required. Not sure where we would get one from, but perhaps a 'mentor' to come in and assist would be enough (Kear, Nobby,.....) .
To be perfectly honest, I think relegation is all we have to 'look forward' to and I agree with the poster above, I'm not wowed by the list of fixtures we have to look forward to. But, we as a club, put ourselves in this position and we need get on with it. I for one will be watching them next year, in whatever division, and hopefully the majority of the core fans will remain.
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Fat Lady Sings[/bold] wrote: But the performances on the pitch have been in no way good enough even with our depleted squad. The basics are missing as is the enthusiasm. All we ever get is "great effort". It's just not good enough and that is down to you and your coaches, Mr Cummins.[/p][/quote]Kind of agree. But FC's squad contained Carvell, Heath, Scruton, Winterstein, Bateman & Sammut. Those players were taken away from him. It is unfair to judge him on this weakened squad. As the saying goes, you can't polish a turd. He can't turn a bunch or average players into world beaters.[/p][/quote]He may not be able to turn a bunch of average players into world beaters, but he should be able to motivate them and get 100% effort. I've been watching Northern for 40+ years now and the only thing I've ever wanted out of the players is effort - If they give you that and put their body on the line every week then you have to applaud them and get behind them. Unfortunately, I don't see that effort this year from quite a few of the players. We all know that we are in a difficult position and motivation must be hard. This is where I think FC is falling short. His effort is definitely there, but I don't believe he has the experience, guile, or man-management skills to pull this group of players through. I'm trying not to be negative, but I do think a more experienced coach is required. Not sure where we would get one from, but perhaps a 'mentor' to come in and assist would be enough (Kear, Nobby,.....) . To be perfectly honest, I think relegation is all we have to 'look forward' to and I agree with the poster above, I'm not wowed by the list of fixtures we have to look forward to. But, we as a club, put ourselves in this position and we need get on with it. I for one will be watching them next year, in whatever division, and hopefully the majority of the core fans will remain. bradford_Northern
  • Score: 12

9:04am Thu 12 Jun 14

southernbull says...

As per the previous posts above, I have to agree and have said time and time again this season that if we get the basics of playing the game right, we have a chance.
All the fans want is for ALL the players to put in a joint 80minutes effort for every game left and treat EVERY game as a cup final........if this is done and we lose and go down then I dont think any of us could ask for more.
As per the previous posts above, I have to agree and have said time and time again this season that if we get the basics of playing the game right, we have a chance. All the fans want is for ALL the players to put in a joint 80minutes effort for every game left and treat EVERY game as a cup final........if this is done and we lose and go down then I dont think any of us could ask for more. southernbull
  • Score: 11

9:51am Thu 12 Jun 14

Old Dave says...

How many of the current squad would get into a SL squad next year? NOt many! I'd suggest Olbison might be, perhaps Donaldson and maybe Kear and Kearney he can stay fit and be cheap for a lower end team. Most of this squad will be likely to be playing in the championship.

Remember, as SL reduces in clubs, the usual trend of the relegated players truning up in the promoted team's squad wont happen.

We are where we are and that is it. for two years we have staggered from week to week and chairman to chairman to little avail, as the simple fact is that the debts run up over the years, and the sanctions handed to us as a result have made Bradford Bulls impossible to run as a competitive club in Super League. I think the players who've been here over the full 2+ years of financial problems deserve lots of credit. Seeing the best players, your mates, leaving cannot be easy, and neither can the uncertainty of whether or not they will get paid. these arent on footballer's wages, they are on a decent salary, but stiil have bills to pay and mouths to feed. (Having said that, some of them dont help themselves by behaving like playboys on social media and then ending up not even getting in this team, Mr Foster!)

I hope that there is a future for the club and that the agony isnt prolonged further because the chairman was only in it to try and protect his own investment and now we are going down, he dooesnt jump ship. although if this might happen, let it happen now so next season is a fresh start.
How many of the current squad would get into a SL squad next year? NOt many! I'd suggest Olbison might be, perhaps Donaldson and maybe Kear and Kearney he can stay fit and be cheap for a lower end team. Most of this squad will be likely to be playing in the championship. Remember, as SL reduces in clubs, the usual trend of the relegated players truning up in the promoted team's squad wont happen. We are where we are and that is it. for two years we have staggered from week to week and chairman to chairman to little avail, as the simple fact is that the debts run up over the years, and the sanctions handed to us as a result have made Bradford Bulls impossible to run as a competitive club in Super League. I think the players who've been here over the full 2+ years of financial problems deserve lots of credit. Seeing the best players, your mates, leaving cannot be easy, and neither can the uncertainty of whether or not they will get paid. these arent on footballer's wages, they are on a decent salary, but stiil have bills to pay and mouths to feed. (Having said that, some of them dont help themselves by behaving like playboys on social media and then ending up not even getting in this team, Mr Foster!) I hope that there is a future for the club and that the agony isnt prolonged further because the chairman was only in it to try and protect his own investment and now we are going down, he dooesnt jump ship. although if this might happen, let it happen now so next season is a fresh start. Old Dave
  • Score: 6

10:02am Thu 12 Jun 14

The Fat Lady Sings says...

I agree with all of the above and I know a depleted squad makes it even more difficult (and then you have players on whom you invested in on a permanent sick list). However, some of the performances have been abject, even for "average" players. They have looked like little boys lost. And sentiment apart, that is the coaches responsibility and in that department they have failed. Good players have become poor players. Why? Whose fault is that? Don't blame the RFL. These lads are now getting paid (more than me) regularly. You would think they could play as a team with a bit of pride.
I agree with all of the above and I know a depleted squad makes it even more difficult (and then you have players on whom you invested in on a permanent sick list). However, some of the performances have been abject, even for "average" players. They have looked like little boys lost. And sentiment apart, that is the coaches responsibility and in that department they have failed. Good players have become poor players. Why? Whose fault is that? Don't blame the RFL. These lads are now getting paid (more than me) regularly. You would think they could play as a team with a bit of pride. The Fat Lady Sings
  • Score: 6

11:30am Thu 12 Jun 14

Bull4Life says...

"After it was revealed that the Bulls did not meet the criteria to even have their appeal considered..."

The report on the sky sports website said something similar.

So after waiting what seemed an eternity for this appeal hearing to take place, then it being drawn out even more by claiming they needed the Bulls to submit further evidence, we now find out that after ALL that the appeal wasn't even considered!!!

What an absolute Joke. We don't even get to air our side of the story, will we ever know what really transpired in the months leading up to going into administration?

Also, what is with all the idiots saying "you broke the rules, you've been punished accordingly". I'm sorry but it is not as black and white as that!

Consider somebody committing a murder. Punishment for murder should be life imprisonment. But wait, this particular murder was an act of self defence - there were mitigating circumstances - so punishment is reduced.

Or what if the murderer has a mental condition - sentence reduced on grounds of diminished responsibility - mitigating circumstances!

It is exactly the same thing with the Bulls, yes they have broken one of the laws of the game, but it is obvious to everybody that something transpired which was out of the ordinary. Marc Green would not have spent so much of his own money on this appeal if he did not believe we generally had a case. Until such time as EVERYTHING comes out in the wash, I suggest the people who believe this is a black and white case should keep quiet.

I don't know whether we deserved the 6 point penalty, special measures etc or not, since I do not know what exactly transpired behind close doors, so I am reserving judgement.

But to find that our side of the story (whatever that actually is!) was not even considered quite frankly stinks.

Now to matters on the field. I wonder if Gaskell still feels Salford are the ones under pressure this Sunday?
I will still support the team come what may, but I do feel now that survival is beyond us. Getting at least some points back was vital but that's just my opinion. COYB
"After it was revealed that the Bulls did not meet the criteria to even have their appeal considered..." The report on the sky sports website said something similar. So after waiting what seemed an eternity for this appeal hearing to take place, then it being drawn out even more by claiming they needed the Bulls to submit further evidence, we now find out that after ALL that the appeal wasn't even considered!!! What an absolute Joke. We don't even get to air our side of the story, will we ever know what really transpired in the months leading up to going into administration? Also, what is with all the idiots saying "you broke the rules, you've been punished accordingly". I'm sorry but it is not as black and white as that! Consider somebody committing a murder. Punishment for murder should be life imprisonment. But wait, this particular murder was an act of self defence - there were mitigating circumstances - so punishment is reduced. Or what if the murderer has a mental condition - sentence reduced on grounds of diminished responsibility - mitigating circumstances! It is exactly the same thing with the Bulls, yes they have broken one of the laws of the game, but it is obvious to everybody that something transpired which was out of the ordinary. Marc Green would not have spent so much of his own money on this appeal if he did not believe we generally had a case. Until such time as EVERYTHING comes out in the wash, I suggest the people who believe this is a black and white case should keep quiet. I don't know whether we deserved the 6 point penalty, special measures etc or not, since I do not know what exactly transpired behind close doors, so I am reserving judgement. But to find that our side of the story (whatever that actually is!) was not even considered quite frankly stinks. Now to matters on the field. I wonder if Gaskell still feels Salford are the ones under pressure this Sunday? I will still support the team come what may, but I do feel now that survival is beyond us. Getting at least some points back was vital but that's just my opinion. COYB Bull4Life
  • Score: 0

1:24pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Videoref says...

Bull4Life wrote:
"After it was revealed that the Bulls did not meet the criteria to even have their appeal considered..."

The report on the sky sports website said something similar.

So after waiting what seemed an eternity for this appeal hearing to take place, then it being drawn out even more by claiming they needed the Bulls to submit further evidence, we now find out that after ALL that the appeal wasn't even considered!!!

What an absolute Joke. We don't even get to air our side of the story, will we ever know what really transpired in the months leading up to going into administration?

Also, what is with all the idiots saying "you broke the rules, you've been punished accordingly". I'm sorry but it is not as black and white as that!

Consider somebody committing a murder. Punishment for murder should be life imprisonment. But wait, this particular murder was an act of self defence - there were mitigating circumstances - so punishment is reduced.

Or what if the murderer has a mental condition - sentence reduced on grounds of diminished responsibility - mitigating circumstances!

It is exactly the same thing with the Bulls, yes they have broken one of the laws of the game, but it is obvious to everybody that something transpired which was out of the ordinary. Marc Green would not have spent so much of his own money on this appeal if he did not believe we generally had a case. Until such time as EVERYTHING comes out in the wash, I suggest the people who believe this is a black and white case should keep quiet.

I don't know whether we deserved the 6 point penalty, special measures etc or not, since I do not know what exactly transpired behind close doors, so I am reserving judgement.

But to find that our side of the story (whatever that actually is!) was not even considered quite frankly stinks.

Now to matters on the field. I wonder if Gaskell still feels Salford are the ones under pressure this Sunday?
I will still support the team come what may, but I do feel now that survival is beyond us. Getting at least some points back was vital but that's just my opinion. COYB
I agree with most of this-after £5000 paid for the appeal, all the work that was supposed to have been put in and the time factors involved, they did not met the criteria to even have the appeal CONSIDERED beggars belief
[quote][p][bold]Bull4Life[/bold] wrote: "After it was revealed that the Bulls did not meet the criteria to even have their appeal considered..." The report on the sky sports website said something similar. So after waiting what seemed an eternity for this appeal hearing to take place, then it being drawn out even more by claiming they needed the Bulls to submit further evidence, we now find out that after ALL that the appeal wasn't even considered!!! What an absolute Joke. We don't even get to air our side of the story, will we ever know what really transpired in the months leading up to going into administration? Also, what is with all the idiots saying "you broke the rules, you've been punished accordingly". I'm sorry but it is not as black and white as that! Consider somebody committing a murder. Punishment for murder should be life imprisonment. But wait, this particular murder was an act of self defence - there were mitigating circumstances - so punishment is reduced. Or what if the murderer has a mental condition - sentence reduced on grounds of diminished responsibility - mitigating circumstances! It is exactly the same thing with the Bulls, yes they have broken one of the laws of the game, but it is obvious to everybody that something transpired which was out of the ordinary. Marc Green would not have spent so much of his own money on this appeal if he did not believe we generally had a case. Until such time as EVERYTHING comes out in the wash, I suggest the people who believe this is a black and white case should keep quiet. I don't know whether we deserved the 6 point penalty, special measures etc or not, since I do not know what exactly transpired behind close doors, so I am reserving judgement. But to find that our side of the story (whatever that actually is!) was not even considered quite frankly stinks. Now to matters on the field. I wonder if Gaskell still feels Salford are the ones under pressure this Sunday? I will still support the team come what may, but I do feel now that survival is beyond us. Getting at least some points back was vital but that's just my opinion. COYB[/p][/quote]I agree with most of this-after £5000 paid for the appeal, all the work that was supposed to have been put in and the time factors involved, they did not met the criteria to even have the appeal CONSIDERED beggars belief Videoref
  • Score: 3

3:06pm Thu 12 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

If the Bulls do get relegated and have to release the longer contract players will they have to be paid for the contract they signed as most of them will only find part time employment?Anybody know?I mean know,not guess.
If the Bulls do get relegated and have to release the longer contract players will they have to be paid for the contract they signed as most of them will only find part time employment?Anybody know?I mean know,not guess. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 2

3:11pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Out of site says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
If the Bulls do get relegated and have to release the longer contract players will they have to be paid for the contract they signed as most of them will only find part time employment?Anybody know?I mean know,not guess.
Anybody care?
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: If the Bulls do get relegated and have to release the longer contract players will they have to be paid for the contract they signed as most of them will only find part time employment?Anybody know?I mean know,not guess.[/p][/quote]Anybody care? Out of site
  • Score: 0

3:26pm Thu 12 Jun 14

blue marlin says...

Have read most of the comments on what now has become a 3 way thread so going to post in the lastest.
people say put it behind use and move forward but the events and comments for last night and this morning make that unlikely until somebody comes out and (may be out of turn) and tells the truth.
I am the first to admit that i don't fully understand the whys and hows etc but Ross and his happy band should be on the case as they are in a postion to ask the searching questions,

Also will be intersting to see if Marc Green stays the course and in view if the lost appeal how we perform at salford and the following we take.
Have read most of the comments on what now has become a 3 way thread so going to post in the lastest. people say put it behind use and move forward but the events and comments for last night and this morning make that unlikely until somebody comes out and (may be out of turn) and tells the truth. I am the first to admit that i don't fully understand the whys and hows etc but Ross and his happy band should be on the case as they are in a postion to ask the searching questions, Also will be intersting to see if Marc Green stays the course and in view if the lost appeal how we perform at salford and the following we take. blue marlin
  • Score: 3

4:07pm Thu 12 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Out of site,
Who cares? I should imagine the people who are going to lose their livelihoods.Just the response I would expect from a cretin like you.Now get back in Wetherspoons your beers going flat.
Out of site, Who cares? I should imagine the people who are going to lose their livelihoods.Just the response I would expect from a cretin like you.Now get back in Wetherspoons your beers going flat. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 2

4:13pm Thu 12 Jun 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

if we did not met the criteria to even have the appeal heard why are we nothing to try and appeal this' what appeal the fact that we had no grounds for appeal?

We need to wake up and smell the coffee; we are relegated and need to use the rest off the season to get our team ready for life in the championship. recruit players that are going to be involved next season and off load those that are not.
if we did not met the criteria to even have the appeal heard why are we nothing to try and appeal this' what appeal the fact that we had no grounds for appeal? We need to wake up and smell the coffee; we are relegated and need to use the rest off the season to get our team ready for life in the championship. recruit players that are going to be involved next season and off load those that are not. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 3

4:56pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Out of site says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Out of site,
Who cares? I should imagine the people who are going to lose their livelihoods.Just the response I would expect from a cretin like you.Now get back in Wetherspoons your beers going flat.
Tad touchy aren't we tax dodger.another distant so called supporter.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Out of site, Who cares? I should imagine the people who are going to lose their livelihoods.Just the response I would expect from a cretin like you.Now get back in Wetherspoons your beers going flat.[/p][/quote]Tad touchy aren't we tax dodger.another distant so called supporter. Out of site
  • Score: 2

5:04pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Easy going says...

Defiant, another word from Mr. Cummins book of Coaching! If the team had been defiant,passionate,a
ggressive maybe the team may be in a different position? All i ask for, is for the team to perform. Which at present is not happening..The pressure is on the Bulls this Sunday and not Salford. Sick and tired of hearing all this C**P. Just give 100% and not 20%.
Defiant, another word from Mr. Cummins book of Coaching! If the team had been defiant,passionate,a ggressive maybe the team may be in a different position? All i ask for, is for the team to perform. Which at present is not happening..The pressure is on the Bulls this Sunday and not Salford. Sick and tired of hearing all this C**P. Just give 100% and not 20%. Easy going
  • Score: 4

5:10pm Thu 12 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Out of site,
I bet you are glad you have not paid as much tax as I have.Oh,forgot you will not have paid any,no tax on "pan crack" money is there.All for beer and cigs.
Out of site, I bet you are glad you have not paid as much tax as I have.Oh,forgot you will not have paid any,no tax on "pan crack" money is there.All for beer and cigs. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 0

10:48pm Thu 12 Jun 14

axelf1963 says...

Spangles he has you on the hook there
Spangles he has you on the hook there axelf1963
  • Score: 2

11:48pm Thu 12 Jun 14

bradfordbronco says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
If the Bulls do get relegated and have to release the longer contract players will they have to be paid for the contract they signed as most of them will only find part time employment?Anybody know?I mean know,not guess.
After Sammut left and Gale signed a two year deal for next season and beyond i did here him say in an interview that the contract was only valid should the club remain in SL. Therefore I presume all contracts are null and void when we get relegated.

Relegation wont be so bad if we can keep a reasonable 1st team squad together on full time wages. We need to start to rebuilding but it could be just what the club need.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: If the Bulls do get relegated and have to release the longer contract players will they have to be paid for the contract they signed as most of them will only find part time employment?Anybody know?I mean know,not guess.[/p][/quote]After Sammut left and Gale signed a two year deal for next season and beyond i did here him say in an interview that the contract was only valid should the club remain in SL. Therefore I presume all contracts are null and void when we get relegated. Relegation wont be so bad if we can keep a reasonable 1st team squad together on full time wages. We need to start to rebuilding but it could be just what the club need. bradfordbronco
  • Score: 2

12:58am Fri 13 Jun 14

portugalbull says...

Spanglishbull,
I don't know categorically however I believe all contracts are cancelled. How this effects those just signed i.e. Sam Bates I would think there would be safeguards so the players coming through the system cannot be poached. With the coaching staff the same could apply as the players. ( One way to miss a defence coach)
I would imagine the club would have first call on offering contracts to players they would wish to keep but they would have to decide on full or part time, which brings me to the question I would be obliged if someone could help with. I assume there is a smaller salary cap but does anyone know as that will have a detrimental effect on who we can afford to keep, or indeed wish to bring in.
Hopefully the team win a few and get more confidence to survive then these posts are unnecessary.
CoyB's
Spanglishbull, I don't know categorically however I believe all contracts are cancelled. How this effects those just signed i.e. Sam Bates I would think there would be safeguards so the players coming through the system cannot be poached. With the coaching staff the same could apply as the players. ( One way to miss a defence coach) I would imagine the club would have first call on offering contracts to players they would wish to keep but they would have to decide on full or part time, which brings me to the question I would be obliged if someone could help with. I assume there is a smaller salary cap but does anyone know as that will have a detrimental effect on who we can afford to keep, or indeed wish to bring in. Hopefully the team win a few and get more confidence to survive then these posts are unnecessary. CoyB's portugalbull
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1:23am Fri 13 Jun 14

portugalbull says...

Just another thought, would contract with RFL for use of Odsal also be null and void? If so Bulls could move to V Parade without penalty, or stay with reduced rent. Relegation opens other opportunities.
Just another thought, would contract with RFL for use of Odsal also be null and void? If so Bulls could move to V Parade without penalty, or stay with reduced rent. Relegation opens other opportunities. portugalbull
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7:48am Fri 13 Jun 14

bradfordbronco says...

As far as i was aware the contract is that are entitled to play at odsal for number of years rather than being forced to play there. We pay a small rent so cab't see us giving up the option to play elsewhere
As far as i was aware the contract is that are entitled to play at odsal for number of years rather than being forced to play there. We pay a small rent so cab't see us giving up the option to play elsewhere bradfordbronco
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9:22am Tue 17 Jun 14

Out of site says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Out of site,
I bet you are glad you have not paid as much tax as I have.Oh,forgot you will not have paid any,no tax on "pan crack" money is there.All for beer and cigs.
Wrong again tax dodgerim a licensee and have been for the last 20 years.pay tax you dodger then don't assume you know anything about anyone.now pay attention if that's possible for you.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Out of site, I bet you are glad you have not paid as much tax as I have.Oh,forgot you will not have paid any,no tax on "pan crack" money is there.All for beer and cigs.[/p][/quote]Wrong again tax dodgerim a licensee and have been for the last 20 years.pay tax you dodger then don't assume you know anything about anyone.now pay attention if that's possible for you. Out of site
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