Tony Smith: Francis Cummins is prime contender for Coach of the Year

Challenge Cup quarter-final rival coaches Francis Cummins and Tony Smith chew the fat at yesterday's press conference at Odsal

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Francis Cummins has been tipped as a leading contender for the Super League Coach of the Year award – by arguably the best coach in the business.

Warrington boss Tony Smith, who gave Cummins his first coaching position during their time together at Leeds, has applauded the efforts of his former assistant during a troubled 2013 campaign.

Five weeks after the Bulls beat Warrington in a Super League encounter, Smith’s men return to Odsal seeking revenge in Sunday’s Tetley’s Challenge Cup quarter-final.

Cummins has been forced to work under extreme circumstances this year following the club’s ownership saga, slide into administration and subsequent loss of six points and three key players.

The appeal against their points penalty began in Leeds yesterday, but no decision was reached after the independent panel requested ‘further supportive information’ from the Bulls - and no outcome is now expected until next week.

Smith, who attended a press conference at Odsal yesterday, said of his former apprentice: “Franny has done a remarkable job in keeping this place together in the face of some incredible challenges.

“They have had their off-days, which is inevitable in sport and even more so with the amount of obstacles that Bradford have faced in the last couple of years.

“But for Franny to keep this group together with the fighting spirit they have shown, I think he deserves a whole lot of accolades, support and recognition.

“It’s a tough job regardless when you are working with 30 or 40 young men, but with all the off-field issues Bradford have faced, it must be hard to keep them all together fighting for the same cause, especially for a young coach like Franny.

“But I think he’s done it with a whole lot of style and dignity.”

Cummins actually picked up the Coach of the Year award in 2012 on behalf of Mick Potter, who, along with his staff, worked voluntarily for three months after being made redundant by administrator Brendan Guilfoyle.

Asked if the 37-year-old could land the award this year if he keeps Bradford in Super League, Smith insisted: “I think he should probably get it anyway, regardless of whether they stay up.

“It remains to be seen whether they can close that gap but after all the challenges that Franny has faced, he’s a prime candidate for it and he will certainly get my vote come the end of the year.

“You look at the players who have been sold off, the uncertainty whether they would be paid and what support staff he would have, but Franny has kept Bradford tight and you could see that when they beat us last month.”

Cummins is still trying to extend Antonio Kaufusi’s loan but the Huddersfield prop and fellow loanee Joe Arundel are cup-tied anyway this weekend.

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8:01am Thu 5 Jun 14

axelf1963 says...

Ha ha ha stop it I nearly spat out my cornflakes, Not a chance of winning it , Powell at Cas has turned a Relegation contender into a top 4 team.
Ha ha ha stop it I nearly spat out my cornflakes, Not a chance of winning it , Powell at Cas has turned a Relegation contender into a top 4 team. axelf1963
  • Score: 6

8:17am Thu 5 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

On here Bronco and Co want him gone.
On here Bronco and Co want him gone. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -3

8:28am Thu 5 Jun 14

rogerthat! says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
On here Bronco and Co want him gone.
Old mate Smith. Cummins used to be his bag carrier. We had Potter coach of the year now it's Cummins. Stop. Won nothing, neither got Bulls into the playoffs. How do you measure Success? Being a Baby sitter and getting paid is enough for some on here. Why not include Khan chairman of the decade ha ha.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: On here Bronco and Co want him gone.[/p][/quote]Old mate Smith. Cummins used to be his bag carrier. We had Potter coach of the year now it's Cummins. Stop. Won nothing, neither got Bulls into the playoffs. How do you measure Success? Being a Baby sitter and getting paid is enough for some on here. Why not include Khan chairman of the decade ha ha. rogerthat!
  • Score: -9

9:04am Thu 5 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Axel,
Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold.
Axel, Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 19

9:33am Thu 5 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Axel, Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold.
The club has lost out on £1.5m over two years, but they have also had £3m in debt written off over these two years.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Axel, Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold.[/p][/quote]The club has lost out on £1.5m over two years, but they have also had £3m in debt written off over these two years. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -20

9:46am Thu 5 Jun 14

Old Dave says...

If the award was for loyalty then Franny would win it. But it isnt, its for coaching. Even with the 6 points back, we are still next to bottom of the league. If we managed to stay out of the bottom two, then maybe, but for me I can see no further than Daryl Powell. He is operating on a low budget, bringing in unknown players, alligning them with loan players, and youth team graduates and gelling them into a team that is in the top three. That is what a very good coach can do. Like most coaches, he has more rersources than Franny, but I find it a struggle, even with my red amber and black tinted glasses on, to see Franny being hailed as the best coach. Maybe at another club, with different circumstances, he might really be able to show just how good he is, but not at the moment.
If the award was for loyalty then Franny would win it. But it isnt, its for coaching. Even with the 6 points back, we are still next to bottom of the league. If we managed to stay out of the bottom two, then maybe, but for me I can see no further than Daryl Powell. He is operating on a low budget, bringing in unknown players, alligning them with loan players, and youth team graduates and gelling them into a team that is in the top three. That is what a very good coach can do. Like most coaches, he has more rersources than Franny, but I find it a struggle, even with my red amber and black tinted glasses on, to see Franny being hailed as the best coach. Maybe at another club, with different circumstances, he might really be able to show just how good he is, but not at the moment. Old Dave
  • Score: 4

11:20am Thu 5 Jun 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Axel, Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold.
The club has lost out on £1.5m over two years, but they have also had £3m in debt written off over these two years.
Where does the 3m debt come from? I thought this admin was only a case of a few 100,000? With a chuck to HMRC and a chunk to Marc Green (plus Omars £200k he owes the council). I doubt the debt from the last admin was over £2million.

I could be wrong though.

How much bad debt would have been avoided in the first place if we hadn't forgone the sky money?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Axel, Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold.[/p][/quote]The club has lost out on £1.5m over two years, but they have also had £3m in debt written off over these two years.[/p][/quote]Where does the 3m debt come from? I thought this admin was only a case of a few 100,000? With a chuck to HMRC and a chunk to Marc Green (plus Omars £200k he owes the council). I doubt the debt from the last admin was over £2million. I could be wrong though. How much bad debt would have been avoided in the first place if we hadn't forgone the sky money? Bone_idle18
  • Score: 3

11:46am Thu 5 Jun 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

We have the largest points difference in the league and are on course for the largest in the leagues history.

On par with that I would also like to nominate the following:

Best Chairman: OK
Best MP: GS
Best Council: Bradford

You could not make this up. I hear the Panto is being written as we speak.
We have the largest points difference in the league and are on course for the largest in the leagues history. On par with that I would also like to nominate the following: Best Chairman: OK Best MP: GS Best Council: Bradford You could not make this up. I hear the Panto is being written as we speak. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 6

12:24pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: Axel, Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold.
The club has lost out on £1.5m over two years, but they have also had £3m in debt written off over these two years.
Where does the 3m debt come from? I thought this admin was only a case of a few 100,000? With a chuck to HMRC and a chunk to Marc Green (plus Omars £200k he owes the council). I doubt the debt from the last admin was over £2million. I could be wrong though. How much bad debt would have been avoided in the first place if we hadn't forgone the sky money?
Not one ot shy away from where I get my figures from.

The administrators of the OK Bulls admin stated this,

"Mr Wilson’s report shows OK Bulls owed more than £1.1 million and only had £753 in the bank when it went into administration in January this year."

The story is here,

http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/local/localbrad/1
1150956.Former_Bradf
ord_Bulls_owner_Omar
_Khan_to_speak_out_o
n_demise_of_OK_Bulls
_Limited/

The previous admin stated the following,

Creditors are facing a desperate struggle to claw back cash owed by the former struggling Bradford Bulls company which had run up £1.5 million in debts.

The Telegraph & Argus can exclusively reveal the contents of a report by The P&A Partnership, administrators of Bradford Bulls Holdings Limited, which shows the sheer scale of money owed by the defunct company and a seven-page list of companies and businesses who are still waiting for payments.

Details of which can be found from here.

http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/9906491.Creditors
_in_desperate_fight_
to_get___1_5m_owed_b
y_Bradford_Bulls/

Then on top of that £500k was pledged by supporters to keep the club going which paid of debts the club couldn't service.

£1.1m + £1.5m + £500k = £3.1m in debt the club either had written off or the fans pledge money covered.

As at the time OK Bulls went into admin a reduction of £750k in sky monies was realised as it was £1.5, over 2 years and only 1 year had passed, thats a net debt write off / paid by fans generosity at this time of £2.35m.

By all means tear these figures appart but I have given you links to them and I'm using figures that have been quoted by the administrators and not made up on a forum to try score a few points.
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Axel, Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold.[/p][/quote]The club has lost out on £1.5m over two years, but they have also had £3m in debt written off over these two years.[/p][/quote]Where does the 3m debt come from? I thought this admin was only a case of a few 100,000? With a chuck to HMRC and a chunk to Marc Green (plus Omars £200k he owes the council). I doubt the debt from the last admin was over £2million. I could be wrong though. How much bad debt would have been avoided in the first place if we hadn't forgone the sky money?[/p][/quote]Not one ot shy away from where I get my figures from. The administrators of the OK Bulls admin stated this, "Mr Wilson’s report shows OK Bulls owed more than £1.1 million and only had £753 in the bank when it went into administration in January this year." The story is here, http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/local/localbrad/1 1150956.Former_Bradf ord_Bulls_owner_Omar _Khan_to_speak_out_o n_demise_of_OK_Bulls _Limited/ The previous admin stated the following, Creditors are facing a desperate struggle to claw back cash owed by the former struggling Bradford Bulls company which had run up £1.5 million in debts. The Telegraph & Argus can exclusively reveal the contents of a report by The P&A Partnership, administrators of Bradford Bulls Holdings Limited, which shows the sheer scale of money owed by the defunct company and a seven-page list of companies and businesses who are still waiting for payments. Details of which can be found from here. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/9906491.Creditors _in_desperate_fight_ to_get___1_5m_owed_b y_Bradford_Bulls/ Then on top of that £500k was pledged by supporters to keep the club going which paid of debts the club couldn't service. £1.1m + £1.5m + £500k = £3.1m in debt the club either had written off or the fans pledge money covered. As at the time OK Bulls went into admin a reduction of £750k in sky monies was realised as it was £1.5, over 2 years and only 1 year had passed, thats a net debt write off / paid by fans generosity at this time of £2.35m. By all means tear these figures appart but I have given you links to them and I'm using figures that have been quoted by the administrators and not made up on a forum to try score a few points. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 3

12:40pm Thu 5 Jun 14

BCFC1911 says...

Old Dave wrote:
If the award was for loyalty then Franny would win it. But it isnt, its for coaching. Even with the 6 points back, we are still next to bottom of the league. If we managed to stay out of the bottom two, then maybe, but for me I can see no further than Daryl Powell. He is operating on a low budget, bringing in unknown players, alligning them with loan players, and youth team graduates and gelling them into a team that is in the top three. That is what a very good coach can do. Like most coaches, he has more rersources than Franny, but I find it a struggle, even with my red amber and black tinted glasses on, to see Franny being hailed as the best coach. Maybe at another club, with different circumstances, he might really be able to show just how good he is, but not at the moment.
It isn't loyalty that kept him in his position. it was the £ that did not any allegiance to the Bulls.

Ask anyone at Odsal about his salary being "protected" when even the players and staff weren't being paid.

Some people are just so short sighted sometimes
[quote][p][bold]Old Dave[/bold] wrote: If the award was for loyalty then Franny would win it. But it isnt, its for coaching. Even with the 6 points back, we are still next to bottom of the league. If we managed to stay out of the bottom two, then maybe, but for me I can see no further than Daryl Powell. He is operating on a low budget, bringing in unknown players, alligning them with loan players, and youth team graduates and gelling them into a team that is in the top three. That is what a very good coach can do. Like most coaches, he has more rersources than Franny, but I find it a struggle, even with my red amber and black tinted glasses on, to see Franny being hailed as the best coach. Maybe at another club, with different circumstances, he might really be able to show just how good he is, but not at the moment.[/p][/quote]It isn't loyalty that kept him in his position. it was the £ that did not any allegiance to the Bulls. Ask anyone at Odsal about his salary being "protected" when even the players and staff weren't being paid. Some people are just so short sighted sometimes BCFC1911
  • Score: 3

1:20pm Thu 5 Jun 14

oswald777 says...

Probably the funniest thing I have ever read !!! Other nominees were :- Nick Clegg- Party leader of the year. Fernando Torres- striker of the year and the best of the lot....Lee St Hilaire-Defensive coach of the year !!!!!!!
Probably the funniest thing I have ever read !!! Other nominees were :- Nick Clegg- Party leader of the year. Fernando Torres- striker of the year and the best of the lot....Lee St Hilaire-Defensive coach of the year !!!!!!! oswald777
  • Score: 6

1:50pm Thu 5 Jun 14

rogerthat! says...

oswald777 wrote:
Probably the funniest thing I have ever read !!! Other nominees were :- Nick Clegg- Party leader of the year. Fernando Torres- striker of the year and the best of the lot....Lee St Hilaire-Defensive coach of the year !!!!!!!
Not forgetting. Robbie Hunter Paul the Bull??itter of the year. Foster the poser and Whitcut the con. A lot more awards ???
[quote][p][bold]oswald777[/bold] wrote: Probably the funniest thing I have ever read !!! Other nominees were :- Nick Clegg- Party leader of the year. Fernando Torres- striker of the year and the best of the lot....Lee St Hilaire-Defensive coach of the year !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Not forgetting. Robbie Hunter Paul the Bull??itter of the year. Foster the poser and Whitcut the con. A lot more awards ??? rogerthat!
  • Score: 4

1:53pm Thu 5 Jun 14

bradfordbronco says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
On here Bronco and Co want him gone.
Don't try put me in a company with others. Next you'll be investigating me at companies house!!

My thoughts are my own. You're right though, I do hope Cummings steps down to assistant role and we bring in a new coach with fresh ideas.

I also hope you can get a life, but can't see that happening!
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: On here Bronco and Co want him gone.[/p][/quote]Don't try put me in a company with others. Next you'll be investigating me at companies house!! My thoughts are my own. You're right though, I do hope Cummings steps down to assistant role and we bring in a new coach with fresh ideas. I also hope you can get a life, but can't see that happening! bradfordbronco
  • Score: 1

2:30pm Thu 5 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Rogerthat and Oswald,
Cut it out now axel.i thought you had changed to being a nice guy.You fellows at Colloids must have a cushy number.Is nosher doing your share of the work.
Rogerthat and Oswald, Cut it out now axel.i thought you had changed to being a nice guy.You fellows at Colloids must have a cushy number.Is nosher doing your share of the work. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: -2

2:37pm Thu 5 Jun 14

axelf1963 says...

Spangles neither of them are me pal, As for Powell he did not have much money to spend and lost his jewel in the crown in chase but they have still performed.
Ps nosher struggles to do his own work I bet
Spangles neither of them are me pal, As for Powell he did not have much money to spend and lost his jewel in the crown in chase but they have still performed. Ps nosher struggles to do his own work I bet axelf1963
  • Score: 1

2:51pm Thu 5 Jun 14

basil fawlty says...

Laughable! Having to pay your way is not exclusive to the Bulls.
Laughable! Having to pay your way is not exclusive to the Bulls. basil fawlty
  • Score: 0

3:19pm Thu 5 Jun 14

portugalbull says...

oswald777 wrote:
Probably the funniest thing I have ever read !!! Other nominees were :- Nick Clegg- Party leader of the year. Fernando Torres- striker of the year and the best of the lot....Lee St Hilaire-Defensive coach of the year !!!!!!!
Like it.
FC could do with the help of an experienced coach to help, in particular with our woeful defence.
Just Smith having a laugh, playing mind games which with Wolves form at the moment are unnecessary. Will be biggest shock of year if we beat them again but here's hoping.
CoyB's
[quote][p][bold]oswald777[/bold] wrote: Probably the funniest thing I have ever read !!! Other nominees were :- Nick Clegg- Party leader of the year. Fernando Torres- striker of the year and the best of the lot....Lee St Hilaire-Defensive coach of the year !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Like it. FC could do with the help of an experienced coach to help, in particular with our woeful defence. Just Smith having a laugh, playing mind games which with Wolves form at the moment are unnecessary. Will be biggest shock of year if we beat them again but here's hoping. CoyB's portugalbull
  • Score: -2

3:43pm Thu 5 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Okay Axelf I believe you.Now that you have turned into a nice guy somebody is trying to take your place as the forum lunatic.By the way ,like that bit,nosher struggles to do his own work,I BET gives it away.
Okay Axelf I believe you.Now that you have turned into a nice guy somebody is trying to take your place as the forum lunatic.By the way ,like that bit,nosher struggles to do his own work,I BET gives it away. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: -3

3:50pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: Axel, Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold.
The club has lost out on £1.5m over two years, but they have also had £3m in debt written off over these two years.
Where does the 3m debt come from? I thought this admin was only a case of a few 100,000? With a chuck to HMRC and a chunk to Marc Green (plus Omars £200k he owes the council). I doubt the debt from the last admin was over £2million. I could be wrong though. How much bad debt would have been avoided in the first place if we hadn't forgone the sky money?
Not one ot shy away from where I get my figures from.

The administrators of the OK Bulls admin stated this,

"Mr Wilson’s report shows OK Bulls owed more than £1.1 million and only had £753 in the bank when it went into administration in January this year."

The story is here,

http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/ne

ws/local/localbrad/1

1150956.Former_Bradf

ord_Bulls_owner_Omar

_Khan_to_speak_out_o

n_demise_of_OK_Bulls

_Limited/

The previous admin stated the following,

Creditors are facing a desperate struggle to claw back cash owed by the former struggling Bradford Bulls company which had run up £1.5 million in debts.

The Telegraph & Argus can exclusively reveal the contents of a report by The P&A Partnership, administrators of Bradford Bulls Holdings Limited, which shows the sheer scale of money owed by the defunct company and a seven-page list of companies and businesses who are still waiting for payments.

Details of which can be found from here.

http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/ne

ws/9906491.Creditors

_in_desperate_fight_

to_get___1_5m_owed_b

y_Bradford_Bulls/

Then on top of that £500k was pledged by supporters to keep the club going which paid of debts the club couldn't service.

£1.1m + £1.5m + £500k = £3.1m in debt the club either had written off or the fans pledge money covered.

As at the time OK Bulls went into admin a reduction of £750k in sky monies was realised as it was £1.5, over 2 years and only 1 year had passed, thats a net debt write off / paid by fans generosity at this time of £2.35m.

By all means tear these figures appart but I have given you links to them and I'm using figures that have been quoted by the administrators and not made up on a forum to try score a few points.
Ah, thanks for that. I wasn' t having a go, just didn't realise it was so much!

wonder how much of that could have been avoided if Omar hadn't foolishly agreed to forego the sky money? Don't think any other cubs agreed to such measures, so no idea why the bulls agreed to it?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Axel, Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold.[/p][/quote]The club has lost out on £1.5m over two years, but they have also had £3m in debt written off over these two years.[/p][/quote]Where does the 3m debt come from? I thought this admin was only a case of a few 100,000? With a chuck to HMRC and a chunk to Marc Green (plus Omars £200k he owes the council). I doubt the debt from the last admin was over £2million. I could be wrong though. How much bad debt would have been avoided in the first place if we hadn't forgone the sky money?[/p][/quote]Not one ot shy away from where I get my figures from. The administrators of the OK Bulls admin stated this, "Mr Wilson’s report shows OK Bulls owed more than £1.1 million and only had £753 in the bank when it went into administration in January this year." The story is here, http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/local/localbrad/1 1150956.Former_Bradf ord_Bulls_owner_Omar _Khan_to_speak_out_o n_demise_of_OK_Bulls _Limited/ The previous admin stated the following, Creditors are facing a desperate struggle to claw back cash owed by the former struggling Bradford Bulls company which had run up £1.5 million in debts. The Telegraph & Argus can exclusively reveal the contents of a report by The P&A Partnership, administrators of Bradford Bulls Holdings Limited, which shows the sheer scale of money owed by the defunct company and a seven-page list of companies and businesses who are still waiting for payments. Details of which can be found from here. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/9906491.Creditors _in_desperate_fight_ to_get___1_5m_owed_b y_Bradford_Bulls/ Then on top of that £500k was pledged by supporters to keep the club going which paid of debts the club couldn't service. £1.1m + £1.5m + £500k = £3.1m in debt the club either had written off or the fans pledge money covered. As at the time OK Bulls went into admin a reduction of £750k in sky monies was realised as it was £1.5, over 2 years and only 1 year had passed, thats a net debt write off / paid by fans generosity at this time of £2.35m. By all means tear these figures appart but I have given you links to them and I'm using figures that have been quoted by the administrators and not made up on a forum to try score a few points.[/p][/quote]Ah, thanks for that. I wasn' t having a go, just didn't realise it was so much! wonder how much of that could have been avoided if Omar hadn't foolishly agreed to forego the sky money? Don't think any other cubs agreed to such measures, so no idea why the bulls agreed to it? Bone_idle18
  • Score: 0

4:01pm Thu 5 Jun 14

The Fat Lady Sings says...

Tony, brother of Brian Smith, has a soft spot for the Bulls and its predicament. Anything to help, if he hasn't done so already. Plus, they have to drum up some interest in this game otherwise the BBC will have a real downer on their hands and egg on their faces, Franny - boy done good - but coach of the year! He'd be hard pressed to get coach of the day. Just froth and mischief. I'd bet my wife's life on that he doesn't even get proposed.
Tony, brother of Brian Smith, has a soft spot for the Bulls and its predicament. Anything to help, if he hasn't done so already. Plus, they have to drum up some interest in this game otherwise the BBC will have a real downer on their hands and egg on their faces, Franny - boy done good - but coach of the year! He'd be hard pressed to get coach of the day. Just froth and mischief. I'd bet my wife's life on that he doesn't even get proposed. The Fat Lady Sings
  • Score: -3

4:58pm Thu 5 Jun 14

nosher says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Okay Axelf I believe you.Now that you have turned into a nice guy somebody is trying to take your place as the forum lunatic.By the way ,like that bit,nosher struggles to do his own work,I BET gives it away.
Nice one spangles, a bit of slip up there by axelf lol. He even had me making his douwe eggberts yesterday.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Okay Axelf I believe you.Now that you have turned into a nice guy somebody is trying to take your place as the forum lunatic.By the way ,like that bit,nosher struggles to do his own work,I BET gives it away.[/p][/quote]Nice one spangles, a bit of slip up there by axelf lol. He even had me making his douwe eggberts yesterday. nosher
  • Score: -3

6:16pm Thu 5 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Thought you was from Wyke nosher. Douwe eggberts,You must be from Harrogate.
Thought you was from Wyke nosher. Douwe eggberts,You must be from Harrogate. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 2

6:19pm Thu 5 Jun 14

axelf1963 says...

Nosher will be Richest man in the graveyard Spangles.
Nosher will be Richest man in the graveyard Spangles. axelf1963
  • Score: 0

7:28pm Thu 5 Jun 14

City gent says...

Only way cummins could be a coach if you took his teeth out and put seats in his mouth.
Only way cummins could be a coach if you took his teeth out and put seats in his mouth. City gent
  • Score: 2

9:02pm Thu 5 Jun 14

AUGUST1964 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: Axel, Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold.
The club has lost out on £1.5m over two years, but they have also had £3m in debt written off over these two years.
Where does the 3m debt come from? I thought this admin was only a case of a few 100,000? With a chuck to HMRC and a chunk to Marc Green (plus Omars £200k he owes the council). I doubt the debt from the last admin was over £2million. I could be wrong though. How much bad debt would have been avoided in the first place if we hadn't forgone the sky money?
Not one ot shy away from where I get my figures from.

The administrators of the OK Bulls admin stated this,

"Mr Wilson’s report shows OK Bulls owed more than £1.1 million and only had £753 in the bank when it went into administration in January this year."

The story is here,

http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/ne

ws/local/localbrad/1

1150956.Former_Bradf

ord_Bulls_owner_Omar

_Khan_to_speak_out_o

n_demise_of_OK_Bulls

_Limited/

The previous admin stated the following,

Creditors are facing a desperate struggle to claw back cash owed by the former struggling Bradford Bulls company which had run up £1.5 million in debts.

The Telegraph & Argus can exclusively reveal the contents of a report by The P&A Partnership, administrators of Bradford Bulls Holdings Limited, which shows the sheer scale of money owed by the defunct company and a seven-page list of companies and businesses who are still waiting for payments.

Details of which can be found from here.

http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/ne

ws/9906491.Creditors

_in_desperate_fight_

to_get___1_5m_owed_b

y_Bradford_Bulls/

Then on top of that £500k was pledged by supporters to keep the club going which paid of debts the club couldn't service.

£1.1m + £1.5m + £500k = £3.1m in debt the club either had written off or the fans pledge money covered.

As at the time OK Bulls went into admin a reduction of £750k in sky monies was realised as it was £1.5, over 2 years and only 1 year had passed, thats a net debt write off / paid by fans generosity at this time of £2.35m.

By all means tear these figures appart but I have given you links to them and I'm using figures that have been quoted by the administrators and not made up on a forum to try score a few points.
Have you really nothing better to do?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Axel, Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold.[/p][/quote]The club has lost out on £1.5m over two years, but they have also had £3m in debt written off over these two years.[/p][/quote]Where does the 3m debt come from? I thought this admin was only a case of a few 100,000? With a chuck to HMRC and a chunk to Marc Green (plus Omars £200k he owes the council). I doubt the debt from the last admin was over £2million. I could be wrong though. How much bad debt would have been avoided in the first place if we hadn't forgone the sky money?[/p][/quote]Not one ot shy away from where I get my figures from. The administrators of the OK Bulls admin stated this, "Mr Wilson’s report shows OK Bulls owed more than £1.1 million and only had £753 in the bank when it went into administration in January this year." The story is here, http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/local/localbrad/1 1150956.Former_Bradf ord_Bulls_owner_Omar _Khan_to_speak_out_o n_demise_of_OK_Bulls _Limited/ The previous admin stated the following, Creditors are facing a desperate struggle to claw back cash owed by the former struggling Bradford Bulls company which had run up £1.5 million in debts. The Telegraph & Argus can exclusively reveal the contents of a report by The P&A Partnership, administrators of Bradford Bulls Holdings Limited, which shows the sheer scale of money owed by the defunct company and a seven-page list of companies and businesses who are still waiting for payments. Details of which can be found from here. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/9906491.Creditors _in_desperate_fight_ to_get___1_5m_owed_b y_Bradford_Bulls/ Then on top of that £500k was pledged by supporters to keep the club going which paid of debts the club couldn't service. £1.1m + £1.5m + £500k = £3.1m in debt the club either had written off or the fans pledge money covered. As at the time OK Bulls went into admin a reduction of £750k in sky monies was realised as it was £1.5, over 2 years and only 1 year had passed, thats a net debt write off / paid by fans generosity at this time of £2.35m. By all means tear these figures appart but I have given you links to them and I'm using figures that have been quoted by the administrators and not made up on a forum to try score a few points.[/p][/quote]Have you really nothing better to do? AUGUST1964
  • Score: -1

10:08pm Thu 5 Jun 14

nosher says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Thought you was from Wyke nosher. Douwe eggberts,You must be from Harrogate.
I am a woodside council estate warrior spangles, I can afford to live in the leafy suburbs of shelf like some. I do like the finer things in life though lol
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Thought you was from Wyke nosher. Douwe eggberts,You must be from Harrogate.[/p][/quote]I am a woodside council estate warrior spangles, I can afford to live in the leafy suburbs of shelf like some. I do like the finer things in life though lol nosher
  • Score: -1

10:15pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: Axel, Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold.
The club has lost out on £1.5m over two years, but they have also had £3m in debt written off over these two years.
Where does the 3m debt come from? I thought this admin was only a case of a few 100,000? With a chuck to HMRC and a chunk to Marc Green (plus Omars £200k he owes the council). I doubt the debt from the last admin was over £2million. I could be wrong though. How much bad debt would have been avoided in the first place if we hadn't forgone the sky money?
Not one ot shy away from where I get my figures from.

The administrators of the OK Bulls admin stated this,

"Mr Wilson’s report shows OK Bulls owed more than £1.1 million and only had £753 in the bank when it went into administration in January this year."

The story is here,

http://www.thetelegr


aphandargus.co.uk/ne


ws/local/localbrad/1


1150956.Former_Bradf


ord_Bulls_owner_Omar


_Khan_to_speak_out_o


n_demise_of_OK_Bulls


_Limited/

The previous admin stated the following,

Creditors are facing a desperate struggle to claw back cash owed by the former struggling Bradford Bulls company which had run up £1.5 million in debts.

The Telegraph & Argus can exclusively reveal the contents of a report by The P&A Partnership, administrators of Bradford Bulls Holdings Limited, which shows the sheer scale of money owed by the defunct company and a seven-page list of companies and businesses who are still waiting for payments.

Details of which can be found from here.

http://www.thetelegr


aphandargus.co.uk/ne


ws/9906491.Creditors


_in_desperate_fight_


to_get___1_5m_owed_b


y_Bradford_Bulls/

Then on top of that £500k was pledged by supporters to keep the club going which paid of debts the club couldn't service.

£1.1m + £1.5m + £500k = £3.1m in debt the club either had written off or the fans pledge money covered.

As at the time OK Bulls went into admin a reduction of £750k in sky monies was realised as it was £1.5, over 2 years and only 1 year had passed, thats a net debt write off / paid by fans generosity at this time of £2.35m.

By all means tear these figures appart but I have given you links to them and I'm using figures that have been quoted by the administrators and not made up on a forum to try score a few points.
Have you really nothing better to do?
Go stick you head back in the sand.
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Axel, Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold.[/p][/quote]The club has lost out on £1.5m over two years, but they have also had £3m in debt written off over these two years.[/p][/quote]Where does the 3m debt come from? I thought this admin was only a case of a few 100,000? With a chuck to HMRC and a chunk to Marc Green (plus Omars £200k he owes the council). I doubt the debt from the last admin was over £2million. I could be wrong though. How much bad debt would have been avoided in the first place if we hadn't forgone the sky money?[/p][/quote]Not one ot shy away from where I get my figures from. The administrators of the OK Bulls admin stated this, "Mr Wilson’s report shows OK Bulls owed more than £1.1 million and only had £753 in the bank when it went into administration in January this year." The story is here, http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/local/localbrad/1 1150956.Former_Bradf ord_Bulls_owner_Omar _Khan_to_speak_out_o n_demise_of_OK_Bulls _Limited/ The previous admin stated the following, Creditors are facing a desperate struggle to claw back cash owed by the former struggling Bradford Bulls company which had run up £1.5 million in debts. The Telegraph & Argus can exclusively reveal the contents of a report by The P&A Partnership, administrators of Bradford Bulls Holdings Limited, which shows the sheer scale of money owed by the defunct company and a seven-page list of companies and businesses who are still waiting for payments. Details of which can be found from here. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/9906491.Creditors _in_desperate_fight_ to_get___1_5m_owed_b y_Bradford_Bulls/ Then on top of that £500k was pledged by supporters to keep the club going which paid of debts the club couldn't service. £1.1m + £1.5m + £500k = £3.1m in debt the club either had written off or the fans pledge money covered. As at the time OK Bulls went into admin a reduction of £750k in sky monies was realised as it was £1.5, over 2 years and only 1 year had passed, thats a net debt write off / paid by fans generosity at this time of £2.35m. By all means tear these figures appart but I have given you links to them and I'm using figures that have been quoted by the administrators and not made up on a forum to try score a few points.[/p][/quote]Have you really nothing better to do?[/p][/quote]Go stick you head back in the sand. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 1

10:41pm Thu 5 Jun 14

nosher says...

nosher wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Thought you was from Wyke nosher. Douwe eggberts,You must be from Harrogate.
I am a woodside council estate warrior spangles, I can afford to live in the leafy suburbs of shelf like some. I do like the finer things in life though lol
That should have said cant not can lol
[quote][p][bold]nosher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Thought you was from Wyke nosher. Douwe eggberts,You must be from Harrogate.[/p][/quote]I am a woodside council estate warrior spangles, I can afford to live in the leafy suburbs of shelf like some. I do like the finer things in life though lol[/p][/quote]That should have said cant not can lol nosher
  • Score: -1

7:41am Fri 6 Jun 14

melon head says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: Axel, Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold.
The club has lost out on £1.5m over two years, but they have also had £3m in debt written off over these two years.
Where does the 3m debt come from? I thought this admin was only a case of a few 100,000? With a chuck to HMRC and a chunk to Marc Green (plus Omars £200k he owes the council). I doubt the debt from the last admin was over £2million. I could be wrong though. How much bad debt would have been avoided in the first place if we hadn't forgone the sky money?
Not one ot shy away from where I get my figures from.

The administrators of the OK Bulls admin stated this,

"Mr Wilson’s report shows OK Bulls owed more than £1.1 million and only had £753 in the bank when it went into administration in January this year."

The story is here,

http://www.thetelegr



aphandargus.co.uk/ne



ws/local/localbrad/1



1150956.Former_Bradf



ord_Bulls_owner_Omar



_Khan_to_speak_out_o



n_demise_of_OK_Bulls



_Limited/

The previous admin stated the following,

Creditors are facing a desperate struggle to claw back cash owed by the former struggling Bradford Bulls company which had run up £1.5 million in debts.

The Telegraph & Argus can exclusively reveal the contents of a report by The P&A Partnership, administrators of Bradford Bulls Holdings Limited, which shows the sheer scale of money owed by the defunct company and a seven-page list of companies and businesses who are still waiting for payments.

Details of which can be found from here.

http://www.thetelegr



aphandargus.co.uk/ne



ws/9906491.Creditors



_in_desperate_fight_



to_get___1_5m_owed_b



y_Bradford_Bulls/

Then on top of that £500k was pledged by supporters to keep the club going which paid of debts the club couldn't service.

£1.1m + £1.5m + £500k = £3.1m in debt the club either had written off or the fans pledge money covered.

As at the time OK Bulls went into admin a reduction of £750k in sky monies was realised as it was £1.5, over 2 years and only 1 year had passed, thats a net debt write off / paid by fans generosity at this time of £2.35m.

By all means tear these figures appart but I have given you links to them and I'm using figures that have been quoted by the administrators and not made up on a forum to try score a few points.
Have you really nothing better to do?
Go stick you head back in the sand.
Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla why post on a site when you are so clearly full of hate for the club.you have way too much time on your hands,you and axelf should get a room and cheer each other up a bit.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Axel, Do not forget Powell has got the money to sign players.The Bulls cannot sign overseas players,possibly do not have the money to sign players,have lost out on £1.5 million pounds the last two years,any other coach would have walked away from the job months ago.What has Agar just done at Wakey,realised they have no money,got out before he got a bad name.Give credit to Cummins he stayed,he did not jump and leave a sinking ship.Smith is absolutely right what he says,you watch the end of the season,all the coaches in S.L. will vote for him.The guy has behaved with integrity and dignity and deserves the praise given to him.Now get on with your cornflakes,my toast is going cold.[/p][/quote]The club has lost out on £1.5m over two years, but they have also had £3m in debt written off over these two years.[/p][/quote]Where does the 3m debt come from? I thought this admin was only a case of a few 100,000? With a chuck to HMRC and a chunk to Marc Green (plus Omars £200k he owes the council). I doubt the debt from the last admin was over £2million. I could be wrong though. How much bad debt would have been avoided in the first place if we hadn't forgone the sky money?[/p][/quote]Not one ot shy away from where I get my figures from. The administrators of the OK Bulls admin stated this, "Mr Wilson’s report shows OK Bulls owed more than £1.1 million and only had £753 in the bank when it went into administration in January this year." The story is here, http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/local/localbrad/1 1150956.Former_Bradf ord_Bulls_owner_Omar _Khan_to_speak_out_o n_demise_of_OK_Bulls _Limited/ The previous admin stated the following, Creditors are facing a desperate struggle to claw back cash owed by the former struggling Bradford Bulls company which had run up £1.5 million in debts. The Telegraph & Argus can exclusively reveal the contents of a report by The P&A Partnership, administrators of Bradford Bulls Holdings Limited, which shows the sheer scale of money owed by the defunct company and a seven-page list of companies and businesses who are still waiting for payments. Details of which can be found from here. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/9906491.Creditors _in_desperate_fight_ to_get___1_5m_owed_b y_Bradford_Bulls/ Then on top of that £500k was pledged by supporters to keep the club going which paid of debts the club couldn't service. £1.1m + £1.5m + £500k = £3.1m in debt the club either had written off or the fans pledge money covered. As at the time OK Bulls went into admin a reduction of £750k in sky monies was realised as it was £1.5, over 2 years and only 1 year had passed, thats a net debt write off / paid by fans generosity at this time of £2.35m. By all means tear these figures appart but I have given you links to them and I'm using figures that have been quoted by the administrators and not made up on a forum to try score a few points.[/p][/quote]Have you really nothing better to do?[/p][/quote]Go stick you head back in the sand.[/p][/quote]Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla why post on a site when you are so clearly full of hate for the club.you have way too much time on your hands,you and axelf should get a room and cheer each other up a bit. melon head
  • Score: 1

7:49am Fri 6 Jun 14

bradfordbronco says...

TVOR are you an idiot or just a boring idiot?

The present appeal is on the grounds of could the last administration have been avoided.

I don't know the facts . YOU don't know the facts

The only people that know the facts are the people involved at the time

That was Omar Khan, Mark Moore & Co, Mark Green and representatives from The RFL who were advising the current Bulls board at the time.

They were trying to buy the club of omar and mark green. The amount omar was asking for was the sticking point. Somebody opted for administration as the only route to solve the problem. Mark Moore seems to have been told by someone at the RFL that the club wouldn't face sanctions. Had they told the truth then perhaps the administration wouldn't have happened.

That is what the appeal is trying to find out.

We all know they owed money to HMRC. Every business in the country does. The question is "COULD ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN AVOIDED"

The only people that know the answers were in the meeting with the RFL at the time it happened. Were you one of them?

If not, then just wait for the outcome like everyone else and stop pretending you know everything
TVOR are you an idiot or just a boring idiot? The present appeal is on the grounds of could the last administration have been avoided. I don't know the facts . YOU don't know the facts The only people that know the facts are the people involved at the time That was Omar Khan, Mark Moore & Co, Mark Green and representatives from The RFL who were advising the current Bulls board at the time. They were trying to buy the club of omar and mark green. The amount omar was asking for was the sticking point. Somebody opted for administration as the only route to solve the problem. Mark Moore seems to have been told by someone at the RFL that the club wouldn't face sanctions. Had they told the truth then perhaps the administration wouldn't have happened. That is what the appeal is trying to find out. We all know they owed money to HMRC. Every business in the country does. The question is "COULD ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN AVOIDED" The only people that know the answers were in the meeting with the RFL at the time it happened. Were you one of them? If not, then just wait for the outcome like everyone else and stop pretending you know everything bradfordbronco
  • Score: 1

9:25am Fri 6 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Nosher,
I lived on Woodside when I was a kid.The estate had just been built.No 7,Bewerley Crescent.
Anyway back to the coaching job.I bet Axelf never had this much publicity when he was Head Coach of Wyke A.R.L. did he.?
Nosher, I lived on Woodside when I was a kid.The estate had just been built.No 7,Bewerley Crescent. Anyway back to the coaching job.I bet Axelf never had this much publicity when he was Head Coach of Wyke A.R.L. did he.? spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 0

9:53am Fri 6 Jun 14

axelf1963 says...

Never been that Spangles unlike nosher , bewerley cres eh ? You know the keane clan then :)
Never been that Spangles unlike nosher , bewerley cres eh ? You know the keane clan then :) axelf1963
  • Score: 1

10:26am Fri 6 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Axel,
That long ago forgot now,probably will know them though.I can cross Wyke head coach off of your many names then Axelf.Not long now before I see you in Cue Gardens,Early July.I will be the one in an overcoat,scarf and wooly hat with a brown face.No forget the brown face,nearly everybody has one in Bradford. L.O.L.
Axel, That long ago forgot now,probably will know them though.I can cross Wyke head coach off of your many names then Axelf.Not long now before I see you in Cue Gardens,Early July.I will be the one in an overcoat,scarf and wooly hat with a brown face.No forget the brown face,nearly everybody has one in Bradford. L.O.L. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 3

12:36pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
TVOR are you an idiot or just a boring idiot? The present appeal is on the grounds of could the last administration have been avoided. I don't know the facts . YOU don't know the facts The only people that know the facts are the people involved at the time That was Omar Khan, Mark Moore & Co, Mark Green and representatives from The RFL who were advising the current Bulls board at the time. They were trying to buy the club of omar and mark green. The amount omar was asking for was the sticking point. Somebody opted for administration as the only route to solve the problem. Mark Moore seems to have been told by someone at the RFL that the club wouldn't face sanctions. Had they told the truth then perhaps the administration wouldn't have happened. That is what the appeal is trying to find out. We all know they owed money to HMRC. Every business in the country does. The question is "COULD ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN AVOIDED" The only people that know the answers were in the meeting with the RFL at the time it happened. Were you one of them? If not, then just wait for the outcome like everyone else and stop pretending you know everything
There is a difference between owning HMRC money, and HMRC issuing a Winding up order on you.

Admin was to prevent the winding up order from liquidating the club and it ceasing to exist.

Just because you don't know anything doesn't mean the rest of us don't.
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: TVOR are you an idiot or just a boring idiot? The present appeal is on the grounds of could the last administration have been avoided. I don't know the facts . YOU don't know the facts The only people that know the facts are the people involved at the time That was Omar Khan, Mark Moore & Co, Mark Green and representatives from The RFL who were advising the current Bulls board at the time. They were trying to buy the club of omar and mark green. The amount omar was asking for was the sticking point. Somebody opted for administration as the only route to solve the problem. Mark Moore seems to have been told by someone at the RFL that the club wouldn't face sanctions. Had they told the truth then perhaps the administration wouldn't have happened. That is what the appeal is trying to find out. We all know they owed money to HMRC. Every business in the country does. The question is "COULD ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN AVOIDED" The only people that know the answers were in the meeting with the RFL at the time it happened. Were you one of them? If not, then just wait for the outcome like everyone else and stop pretending you know everything[/p][/quote]There is a difference between owning HMRC money, and HMRC issuing a Winding up order on you. Admin was to prevent the winding up order from liquidating the club and it ceasing to exist. Just because you don't know anything doesn't mean the rest of us don't. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 1

12:59pm Fri 6 Jun 14

axelf1963 says...

Nosher will buy the drinks Spangles
Nosher will buy the drinks Spangles axelf1963
  • Score: 0

2:17pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Out of site says...

Panto time once again.
Panto time once again. Out of site
  • Score: 1

2:20pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Parz says...

If he keeps us up, with the incredibly limited resources at his disposal, then he deserves it.

If not, give it to Powell for his transformation of Cas.
If he keeps us up, with the incredibly limited resources at his disposal, then he deserves it. If not, give it to Powell for his transformation of Cas. Parz
  • Score: 2

4:07pm Fri 6 Jun 14

nosher says...

axelf1963 wrote:
Nosher will buy the drinks Spangles
Only if they do £1 a bottle Carlsberg. lol. I was once the joint head coach at wyke in a very successful period. That narrows it down for you spangles.
[quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Nosher will buy the drinks Spangles[/p][/quote]Only if they do £1 a bottle Carlsberg. lol. I was once the joint head coach at wyke in a very successful period. That narrows it down for you spangles. nosher
  • Score: 1

4:44pm Fri 6 Jun 14

axelf1963 says...

Spangles had probably fled these shores by then nosher, Why don't you buy next door to Spangles as holiday home nosher, what part of Spain is it Spangles ?
Spangles had probably fled these shores by then nosher, Why don't you buy next door to Spangles as holiday home nosher, what part of Spain is it Spangles ? axelf1963
  • Score: 0

11:58am Sat 7 Jun 14

bradfordbronco says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
TVOR are you an idiot or just a boring idiot? The present appeal is on the grounds of could the last administration have been avoided. I don't know the facts . YOU don't know the facts The only people that know the facts are the people involved at the time That was Omar Khan, Mark Moore & Co, Mark Green and representatives from The RFL who were advising the current Bulls board at the time. They were trying to buy the club of omar and mark green. The amount omar was asking for was the sticking point. Somebody opted for administration as the only route to solve the problem. Mark Moore seems to have been told by someone at the RFL that the club wouldn't face sanctions. Had they told the truth then perhaps the administration wouldn't have happened. That is what the appeal is trying to find out. We all know they owed money to HMRC. Every business in the country does. The question is "COULD ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN AVOIDED" The only people that know the answers were in the meeting with the RFL at the time it happened. Were you one of them? If not, then just wait for the outcome like everyone else and stop pretending you know everything
There is a difference between owning HMRC money, and HMRC issuing a Winding up order on you.

Admin was to prevent the winding up order from liquidating the club and it ceasing to exist.

Just because you don't know anything doesn't mean the rest of us don't.
For the last time.... WE ALREADY KNOW THAT. What don't you understand?

What we don't know is

Was the administration avoidable? Thats what the appeal is all about and the only people that know the answers were in the meetings at the time. Were you one of them? If not then you know just as little as the rest of us.

We will have some answers next week the you can cry if the Bulls get points back or celebrate if they don't. I hope they got points back if not i'm not too bothered as i already accepted relegation i'm looking forward to taking in some new venues next season
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: TVOR are you an idiot or just a boring idiot? The present appeal is on the grounds of could the last administration have been avoided. I don't know the facts . YOU don't know the facts The only people that know the facts are the people involved at the time That was Omar Khan, Mark Moore & Co, Mark Green and representatives from The RFL who were advising the current Bulls board at the time. They were trying to buy the club of omar and mark green. The amount omar was asking for was the sticking point. Somebody opted for administration as the only route to solve the problem. Mark Moore seems to have been told by someone at the RFL that the club wouldn't face sanctions. Had they told the truth then perhaps the administration wouldn't have happened. That is what the appeal is trying to find out. We all know they owed money to HMRC. Every business in the country does. The question is "COULD ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN AVOIDED" The only people that know the answers were in the meeting with the RFL at the time it happened. Were you one of them? If not, then just wait for the outcome like everyone else and stop pretending you know everything[/p][/quote]There is a difference between owning HMRC money, and HMRC issuing a Winding up order on you. Admin was to prevent the winding up order from liquidating the club and it ceasing to exist. Just because you don't know anything doesn't mean the rest of us don't.[/p][/quote]For the last time.... WE ALREADY KNOW THAT. What don't you understand? What we don't know is Was the administration avoidable? Thats what the appeal is all about and the only people that know the answers were in the meetings at the time. Were you one of them? If not then you know just as little as the rest of us. We will have some answers next week the you can cry if the Bulls get points back or celebrate if they don't. I hope they got points back if not i'm not too bothered as i already accepted relegation i'm looking forward to taking in some new venues next season bradfordbronco
  • Score: -1

5:09pm Sat 7 Jun 14

axelf1963 says...

Well done coach of the year Powell on todays win ,
Well done coach of the year Powell on todays win , axelf1963
  • Score: 1

12:15pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Mixter says...

axelf1963 wrote:
Well done coach of the year Powell on todays win ,
Yup. And im having a few quid on them lifting the pot as well.

Widnes are no match, and if they get Leeds, id also fancy their chances. If theres the biggest upset in history at Odsal today, I'd have even more brass on Cas winning the trophy.
[quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Well done coach of the year Powell on todays win ,[/p][/quote]Yup. And im having a few quid on them lifting the pot as well. Widnes are no match, and if they get Leeds, id also fancy their chances. If theres the biggest upset in history at Odsal today, I'd have even more brass on Cas winning the trophy. Mixter
  • Score: 0

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