Marc Green backs Francis Cummins and calls on Bradford Bulls fans to do their bit

Green backs Cummins and calls on Bradford Bulls fans to do their bit

Bulls fans cheer on their side during the Magic Weekend. Now supporters have been urged to flock to Odsal

Club chairman Marc Green

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Bulls chairman Marc Green has urged fans to turn out in force for Sunday’s crunch clash with Wakefield as he gave his full backing to coach Francis Cummins.

Green feels the visit of the Wildcats is possibly even more important than the numerous finals the club regularly reached a decade ago.

But he refuses to accept that defeat would spell almost certain relegation from Super League and has stressed his confidence in Cummins to engineer an upturn in form.

The Bradford owner, who bought the club out of administration exactly eight weeks ago, would like to beat the season’s highest attendance of 10,106 who saw the derby clash with Leeds at Easter.

“Sunday’s game is arguably Bradford Bulls’ most important since they were winning trophies – and some would say it’s possibly even bigger than that,” said Green.

“I would absolutely love to see us beat the attendance we had for the Leeds game. I’m aware of the frustrations of the fans but I would urge each and every one of them to make an effort to be there on Sunday.

“I realise fans have walked away in their droves and that they wanted to see the club being run professionally, ethically and with a certain code of conduct.

“I would like to think that myself and my board have demonstrated that during the past eight weeks, so it would be great to see the whole city get behind the team and create a cauldron of noise.

“When we beat Catalan and Warrington at home recently, the support from the fans was outstanding and to get that in bigger numbers would give the players a massive lift as they walk out.

“If we lose, does that mean we are relegated? No. I accept that it would make it an uphill task but it would not be impossible.”

Cummins branded his players’ display in last weekend’s defeat to Catalan as “embarrassing” but Green has thrown his support behind him.

The Bulls boss was forced to make drastic cuts to his backroom staff during the off-season as the club’s ownership saga rumbled on.

He then saw Garreth Carvell, Nick Scruton and Jarrod Sammut leave when the club entered administration in January, for which Bradford were docked six points and were left fighting relegation.

Green said: “Francis Cummins is our coach and we are fully supportive of what he is doing.

“He went on record with his feelings after Saturday’s game and whatever went wrong went wrong – but we support our coach.

“We will probably be one of several teams to go to Catalan and lose this year – you could name the two or three teams who will go there and win.

“It’s all about Wakefield now and it’s a massive game. We have won two of our last five games and Francis has had extremely weakened squads during my time at the club.

“He has seen the guts ripped out of his team through what happened earlier this year.

“We have managed to bring in a raft of players in the time I have been here but Francis has been hindered by the injuries we have suffered.

“We have signed players and then lost players to injury but this weekend I expect us to be able to field the strongest team we have had all season.

“We are totally rebuilding the club and we are focusing everything on trying to stay up – but we’re not going to spend silly money at all costs. Any new player has to be the right fit.”

Green is a keen Tottenham Hotspur fan and has seen the club he supports struggle for any real continuity in their recent history.

After recently axing Tim Sherwood, Spurs chairman Daniel Levy yesterday made Mauricio Pochettino his ninth manager since he took over in 2001 and Green feels there are lessons to be learned.

He said: “The clubs prepared to stand by their manager are the ones who have had success – just look at Manchester United and Arsenal with Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger.”

The Bulls’ points appeal will be heard next Wednesday and Green added: “If we win on Sunday then we will be only six points behind Wakefield and possibly only seven behind Salford.

“If we get any points back in the appeal, then it’s game on.”

* The Bulls Under-19s side slipped to a 68-16 defeat at Wigan last night.

Mason Tonks played for Bradford while Alex Mellor, Macauley Barron and Adam Brook scored their tries.

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7:54am Wed 28 May 14

mumbyfan says...

He's right to stand by him, but the last person to do this was Peter Hood, backing McNamara. We then lost 12 on the trot....

Still reckon adding Noble as a support to Cummins would benefit all concerned. At the moment he's got Lee St Hilaire. Hardly inspiring is he?
He's right to stand by him, but the last person to do this was Peter Hood, backing McNamara. We then lost 12 on the trot.... Still reckon adding Noble as a support to Cummins would benefit all concerned. At the moment he's got Lee St Hilaire. Hardly inspiring is he? mumbyfan
  • Score: 13

7:59am Wed 28 May 14

monobrow man says...

It's not the losing that is bothering the fans, its the way we are losing. Is it part of the Pitts loan agreement that we have to play arundel. I really don't think cummins is up to the job, I don't think we have that bad a set of players that we should be getting 50 points up us every week
It's not the losing that is bothering the fans, its the way we are losing. Is it part of the Pitts loan agreement that we have to play arundel. I really don't think cummins is up to the job, I don't think we have that bad a set of players that we should be getting 50 points up us every week monobrow man
  • Score: 13

8:08am Wed 28 May 14

Sad bull says...

A very small ' raft of new players ' you have to say.

On another note are we still in special measures ? If so it would explain a lot.

When Moore and his colleagues pulled out, they were mis-quoted as saying it was because of the points but it was much more about the special measures.
This is because they had a number of players lined up to come on permanent deals, including a couple of seasoned pros with World Cup experience.
As Bulls fans they were committed to trying to survive this season in Super League and then rebuild next year with full Sky money. With arms tied behind their backs by the RFL they saw this as an impossible task.

Their assessment was that minus six points and not being allowed to bring in players they wanted meant almost certain relegation and I have to say at this point their judgement looks spot on.

We will never know if their plans would have worked. as a fan since 1963 I still hope for the best but fear the worst. I would still have preferred true Bulls fans running the club than a Spurs fan. The position we are in needs passion as well as business acumen. But we have what we have.

I will be there on Sunday as all true fans should be and all I ask is that the players turn up as well and give it their best shot, which is all true fans ask.

COYB
A very small ' raft of new players ' you have to say. On another note are we still in special measures ? If so it would explain a lot. When Moore and his colleagues pulled out, they were mis-quoted as saying it was because of the points but it was much more about the special measures. This is because they had a number of players lined up to come on permanent deals, including a couple of seasoned pros with World Cup experience. As Bulls fans they were committed to trying to survive this season in Super League and then rebuild next year with full Sky money. With arms tied behind their backs by the RFL they saw this as an impossible task. Their assessment was that minus six points and not being allowed to bring in players they wanted meant almost certain relegation and I have to say at this point their judgement looks spot on. We will never know if their plans would have worked. as a fan since 1963 I still hope for the best but fear the worst. I would still have preferred true Bulls fans running the club than a Spurs fan. The position we are in needs passion as well as business acumen. But we have what we have. I will be there on Sunday as all true fans should be and all I ask is that the players turn up as well and give it their best shot, which is all true fans ask. COYB Sad bull
  • Score: 24

8:23am Wed 28 May 14

raisemeup says...

In reality without Diskin and Kearney calling the shots, we struggle badly.

Every team who enjoy success have the "playmaker" magic. This also applies with the Coaching style, charisma and confident enthusiasm coupled with the steely determination to put things right.

What does our team lack? If we don't see a vast improvement culminating in a win on our home soil, the building of a team is on a very sandy foundation?

I sincerely hope I'm wrong!
In reality without Diskin and Kearney calling the shots, we struggle badly. Every team who enjoy success have the "playmaker" magic. This also applies with the Coaching style, charisma and confident enthusiasm coupled with the steely determination to put things right. What does our team lack? If we don't see a vast improvement culminating in a win on our home soil, the building of a team is on a very sandy foundation? I sincerely hope I'm wrong! raisemeup
  • Score: 2

8:30am Wed 28 May 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

when an owner comes out to public back a coach that normally means he is doomed and shows that the Club is aware that is where the problem is.

Wakey getting Gilmour on loan is a worry as well; yet another ex Bradford lad who could possibly bite us in the **** on Sunday if we play anywhere as near as badly as we did against the Dragons.

I have still not seen or heard anything from the Board to convince me that they are in this for the long run. i hope I am wrong and we can get back to being one of the top clubs in the sport instead of the joke that we are now.
when an owner comes out to public back a coach that normally means he is doomed and shows that the Club is aware that is where the problem is. Wakey getting Gilmour on loan is a worry as well; yet another ex Bradford lad who could possibly bite us in the **** on Sunday if we play anywhere as near as badly as we did against the Dragons. I have still not seen or heard anything from the Board to convince me that they are in this for the long run. i hope I am wrong and we can get back to being one of the top clubs in the sport instead of the joke that we are now. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 6

8:49am Wed 28 May 14

JunctionBull says...

The arrogance astounds. The fans have demonstrated a loyalty beyond anything. Long before Green's involvement we were putting our hands in our pockets. We, the fans, kept the club open. I agree with one of the comments above. It is not the fact that we are losing, it is how we are losing. NO defence, fitness levels are dire and no ideas. There may be a limited squad, but there are some good players who are just not playing - why? Look at Mick Potter, he motivated a squad in equally bad, if not worse, circumstances and we played well, the lads wanted to do it. We do not have that X factor and we need it FAST
The arrogance astounds. The fans have demonstrated a loyalty beyond anything. Long before Green's involvement we were putting our hands in our pockets. We, the fans, kept the club open. I agree with one of the comments above. It is not the fact that we are losing, it is how we are losing. NO defence, fitness levels are dire and no ideas. There may be a limited squad, but there are some good players who are just not playing - why? Look at Mick Potter, he motivated a squad in equally bad, if not worse, circumstances and we played well, the lads wanted to do it. We do not have that X factor and we need it FAST JunctionBull
  • Score: 13

9:10am Wed 28 May 14

axelf1963 says...

Green is waiting to see outcome of points deduction as any signings would be a waste of time due to the impossible task.
Championship a certainty 2 points back maximum but a Wakey win this week.
Green is waiting to see outcome of points deduction as any signings would be a waste of time due to the impossible task. Championship a certainty 2 points back maximum but a Wakey win this week. axelf1963
  • Score: 4

9:10am Wed 28 May 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Whatever anybody on here thinks you have to back the owner,he is the one who saved the club,he is the one who will determine whether we have a club or not next year wherever we are playing.What difference does it make just because the bloke is a Spurs fan,not one iota.Hopefully he does not read some of the drivel that is posted on here by some people.First they are screaming they might not have a club then they are screaming because they have a club but do not like how it is being run.Do you want a club or not,simple.If you do let the board get on with their plans,either back them or walk away.If you think you can help the Board move in the right direction offer your services.I am sure your business acumen and money will be welcomed.
Whatever anybody on here thinks you have to back the owner,he is the one who saved the club,he is the one who will determine whether we have a club or not next year wherever we are playing.What difference does it make just because the bloke is a Spurs fan,not one iota.Hopefully he does not read some of the drivel that is posted on here by some people.First they are screaming they might not have a club then they are screaming because they have a club but do not like how it is being run.Do you want a club or not,simple.If you do let the board get on with their plans,either back them or walk away.If you think you can help the Board move in the right direction offer your services.I am sure your business acumen and money will be welcomed. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 1

9:20am Wed 28 May 14

Bull4Life says...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did not both Mandy Koukash and Richard Lamb publicly announce that should they lose their bids they would still very much like to invest in the club? So far they seem to have disappeared into a black hole since Marc Green and co took over.

Whilst I appreciate that no amount of money will bring in good quality players that simply aren't available at this moment in time, many fans feel that the only thing saving Franny from the chop is our lack of sufficient funds to pay compensation and to hire a new coach. Whilst I fully appreciate Franny has had an impossible job this season, and I am grateful to him for at least staying with the club and trying, I like many others do feel he is out of his depth now. The players we have are far better on paper and that's down to coaching I'm afraid. But had we received further investment from Koukash or Lamb then surely that would be one issue we could look to resolve?

I know it's all ifs and buts, but it does make you wonder why there appears to be no sign of an offer of investment coming from either of them.

As for Sunday, if Marc green genuinely believes we could lose to Wakefield and still beat relegation, he is one very deluded individual. Nevertheless, I'll be there to cheer the boys on come what may. COYB!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did not both Mandy Koukash and Richard Lamb publicly announce that should they lose their bids they would still very much like to invest in the club? So far they seem to have disappeared into a black hole since Marc Green and co took over. Whilst I appreciate that no amount of money will bring in good quality players that simply aren't available at this moment in time, many fans feel that the only thing saving Franny from the chop is our lack of sufficient funds to pay compensation and to hire a new coach. Whilst I fully appreciate Franny has had an impossible job this season, and I am grateful to him for at least staying with the club and trying, I like many others do feel he is out of his depth now. The players we have are far better on paper and that's down to coaching I'm afraid. But had we received further investment from Koukash or Lamb then surely that would be one issue we could look to resolve? I know it's all ifs and buts, but it does make you wonder why there appears to be no sign of an offer of investment coming from either of them. As for Sunday, if Marc green genuinely believes we could lose to Wakefield and still beat relegation, he is one very deluded individual. Nevertheless, I'll be there to cheer the boys on come what may. COYB! Bull4Life
  • Score: 6

9:20am Wed 28 May 14

Scrouge says...

Mr Green who was a money lender to Whitcut, put the Club into liquidation to protect his investment while The Inland revenue and the rest owed money got nothing.
The self admirer of Ken Bates and supporter of Tottenham and soccer . They sack managers and Coaches after they get the dreaded vote of confidence.
What odds for Cummins being Coach next season? The spotlight is on Green. Is he a real Rugby League fan or just an investor getting his money back?
Mr Green who was a money lender to Whitcut, put the Club into liquidation to protect his investment while The Inland revenue and the rest owed money got nothing. The self admirer of Ken Bates and supporter of Tottenham and soccer . They sack managers and Coaches after they get the dreaded vote of confidence. What odds for Cummins being Coach next season? The spotlight is on Green. Is he a real Rugby League fan or just an investor getting his money back? Scrouge
  • Score: 14

9:20am Wed 28 May 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Axel,
Here is me thinking you were daft.That in my own opinion is what Marc. Green is doing.We already have had the fiasco of signing players who then changed their minds.Can anybody tell me any reasonable S.L. player who would sign for the club until he knew where they are going to be playing next year.I do not mean players who are willing to come to the club for a final pay day as some have done at Salford. What a complete waste of money they have been.As for the Gilmour situation,when was the last time he played and how many games has he played in the last year.Possibly half dozen.If the Bulls play like last week Axel a defeat definitely is on the cards,but I have watched Northern /Bulls for too long now to try and work out what the outcome will be.You have been correct in most of your predictions so far but Sunday,I would not bet either way.
Axel, Here is me thinking you were daft.That in my own opinion is what Marc. Green is doing.We already have had the fiasco of signing players who then changed their minds.Can anybody tell me any reasonable S.L. player who would sign for the club until he knew where they are going to be playing next year.I do not mean players who are willing to come to the club for a final pay day as some have done at Salford. What a complete waste of money they have been.As for the Gilmour situation,when was the last time he played and how many games has he played in the last year.Possibly half dozen.If the Bulls play like last week Axel a defeat definitely is on the cards,but I have watched Northern /Bulls for too long now to try and work out what the outcome will be.You have been correct in most of your predictions so far but Sunday,I would not bet either way. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 0

9:28am Wed 28 May 14

The Fat Lady Sings says...

Sorry Spanglish but I thought it was Mr Green who put us in administration?
Still:
1. Franny could have insisted on a public statement from Mr Green as a condition for staying on as he has come under severe criticism this week.
or
2. As in football, I'll back you before the big game but if you lose that one then it's pick up your P45 on the way out and close the door.
or
3. Mr Green and Mr Cummins know something that is not being released to the faithful as it was all part of the deal with the RFL, namely, the 6 points were always coming back and so no reason to pressure Franny just yet.
Take your pick, 1, 2 or 3.
Although number 4 could be that Mr Green and Mr Cummins always knew we were doomed but Franny has agreed to stay on and fulfil the last year of his contract.
Sorry Spanglish but I thought it was Mr Green who put us in administration? Still: 1. Franny could have insisted on a public statement from Mr Green as a condition for staying on as he has come under severe criticism this week. or 2. As in football, I'll back you before the big game but if you lose that one then it's pick up your P45 on the way out and close the door. or 3. Mr Green and Mr Cummins know something that is not being released to the faithful as it was all part of the deal with the RFL, namely, the 6 points were always coming back and so no reason to pressure Franny just yet. Take your pick, 1, 2 or 3. Although number 4 could be that Mr Green and Mr Cummins always knew we were doomed but Franny has agreed to stay on and fulfil the last year of his contract. The Fat Lady Sings
  • Score: 0

9:38am Wed 28 May 14

-HCK3R- says...

He should be urging the players to turn up for the match not the supporters !
He should be urging the players to turn up for the match not the supporters ! -HCK3R-
  • Score: 22

10:09am Wed 28 May 14

nosher says...

axelf1963 wrote:
Green is waiting to see outcome of points deduction as any signings would be a waste of time due to the impossible task.
Championship a certainty 2 points back maximum but a Wakey win this week.
Axelf has stopped name calling and is becoming a sensible contributor to this forum. Do you feel OK. A bit of a bromance going on with him and spangles lol.
[quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Green is waiting to see outcome of points deduction as any signings would be a waste of time due to the impossible task. Championship a certainty 2 points back maximum but a Wakey win this week.[/p][/quote]Axelf has stopped name calling and is becoming a sensible contributor to this forum. Do you feel OK. A bit of a bromance going on with him and spangles lol. nosher
  • Score: 2

10:16am Wed 28 May 14

Videoref says...

-HCK3R- wrote:
He should be urging the players to turn up for the match not the supporters !
Spot on!
[quote][p][bold]-HCK3R-[/bold] wrote: He should be urging the players to turn up for the match not the supporters ![/p][/quote]Spot on! Videoref
  • Score: 11

10:53am Wed 28 May 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Fat lady,
Exactly,he put the club into Administration to save the club.I do not know how many times this has to stated on the forum.IF THE CLUB HAD NOT BEEN PUT INTO ADMIN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WOUND UP BY HMRC. No club at all then.Which would you prefer.
Fat lady, Exactly,he put the club into Administration to save the club.I do not know how many times this has to stated on the forum.IF THE CLUB HAD NOT BEEN PUT INTO ADMIN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WOUND UP BY HMRC. No club at all then.Which would you prefer. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 1

11:20am Wed 28 May 14

flashdonut says...

axelf1963 wrote:
Green is waiting to see outcome of points deduction as any signings would be a waste of time due to the impossible task.
Championship a certainty 2 points back maximum but a Wakey win this week.
Nice.
.
Bulls are not appealing the points deduction as such, they are appealing the process of entering administration. That is why it is an independent panel. If it was just the severity of the punishment, the appeal would be heard by the RFL.
My understanding is that if the appeal next week is a success, ALL points could very well be given back. There's a few iffs and buts, obviously, but the basics are that the Bulls contest the process of entering administration. If the process was flawed or wrong, for whatever reason, then 6 points back is the result. There's no in-between. The process is either correct or incorrect. Everybody is assuming we are appealing the severity. That is not the case, it is the whole administration process.
[quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Green is waiting to see outcome of points deduction as any signings would be a waste of time due to the impossible task. Championship a certainty 2 points back maximum but a Wakey win this week.[/p][/quote]Nice. . Bulls are not appealing the points deduction as such, they are appealing the process of entering administration. That is why it is an independent panel. If it was just the severity of the punishment, the appeal would be heard by the RFL. My understanding is that if the appeal next week is a success, ALL points could very well be given back. There's a few iffs and buts, obviously, but the basics are that the Bulls contest the process of entering administration. If the process was flawed or wrong, for whatever reason, then 6 points back is the result. There's no in-between. The process is either correct or incorrect. Everybody is assuming we are appealing the severity. That is not the case, it is the whole administration process. flashdonut
  • Score: 1

11:51am Wed 28 May 14

Bullmaniac says...

flashdonut wrote:
axelf1963 wrote:
Green is waiting to see outcome of points deduction as any signings would be a waste of time due to the impossible task.
Championship a certainty 2 points back maximum but a Wakey win this week.
Nice.
.
Bulls are not appealing the points deduction as such, they are appealing the process of entering administration. That is why it is an independent panel. If it was just the severity of the punishment, the appeal would be heard by the RFL.
My understanding is that if the appeal next week is a success, ALL points could very well be given back. There's a few iffs and buts, obviously, but the basics are that the Bulls contest the process of entering administration. If the process was flawed or wrong, for whatever reason, then 6 points back is the result. There's no in-between. The process is either correct or incorrect. Everybody is assuming we are appealing the severity. That is not the case, it is the whole administration process.
My only doubt is the fact that for the last 5 years the club has not made a decision that has benefitted the club to a reasonable degree, both on the pitch and off it the club made some woeful decisions that have caused the once great club to sink to the abyss.

I hope my gut instict is wrong but I can only see one result - the 6 point deduction being upheld which will make the Wakefield result irrelevant. If we had Mick Potter at the helm we wouldn't have suffered so many humiliating defeats in such a short time and would be challenging Wakefield even with the points deduction.
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Green is waiting to see outcome of points deduction as any signings would be a waste of time due to the impossible task. Championship a certainty 2 points back maximum but a Wakey win this week.[/p][/quote]Nice. . Bulls are not appealing the points deduction as such, they are appealing the process of entering administration. That is why it is an independent panel. If it was just the severity of the punishment, the appeal would be heard by the RFL. My understanding is that if the appeal next week is a success, ALL points could very well be given back. There's a few iffs and buts, obviously, but the basics are that the Bulls contest the process of entering administration. If the process was flawed or wrong, for whatever reason, then 6 points back is the result. There's no in-between. The process is either correct or incorrect. Everybody is assuming we are appealing the severity. That is not the case, it is the whole administration process.[/p][/quote]My only doubt is the fact that for the last 5 years the club has not made a decision that has benefitted the club to a reasonable degree, both on the pitch and off it the club made some woeful decisions that have caused the once great club to sink to the abyss. I hope my gut instict is wrong but I can only see one result - the 6 point deduction being upheld which will make the Wakefield result irrelevant. If we had Mick Potter at the helm we wouldn't have suffered so many humiliating defeats in such a short time and would be challenging Wakefield even with the points deduction. Bullmaniac
  • Score: 8

11:51am Wed 28 May 14

Bullmaniac says...

flashdonut wrote:
axelf1963 wrote:
Green is waiting to see outcome of points deduction as any signings would be a waste of time due to the impossible task.
Championship a certainty 2 points back maximum but a Wakey win this week.
Nice.
.
Bulls are not appealing the points deduction as such, they are appealing the process of entering administration. That is why it is an independent panel. If it was just the severity of the punishment, the appeal would be heard by the RFL.
My understanding is that if the appeal next week is a success, ALL points could very well be given back. There's a few iffs and buts, obviously, but the basics are that the Bulls contest the process of entering administration. If the process was flawed or wrong, for whatever reason, then 6 points back is the result. There's no in-between. The process is either correct or incorrect. Everybody is assuming we are appealing the severity. That is not the case, it is the whole administration process.
My only doubt is the fact that for the last 5 years the club has not made a decision that has benefitted the club to a reasonable degree, both on the pitch and off it the club made some woeful decisions that have caused the once great club to sink to the abyss.

I hope my gut instict is wrong but I can only see one result - the 6 point deduction being upheld which will make the Wakefield result irrelevant. If we had Mick Potter at the helm we wouldn't have suffered so many humiliating defeats in such a short time and would be challenging Wakefield even with the points deduction.
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Green is waiting to see outcome of points deduction as any signings would be a waste of time due to the impossible task. Championship a certainty 2 points back maximum but a Wakey win this week.[/p][/quote]Nice. . Bulls are not appealing the points deduction as such, they are appealing the process of entering administration. That is why it is an independent panel. If it was just the severity of the punishment, the appeal would be heard by the RFL. My understanding is that if the appeal next week is a success, ALL points could very well be given back. There's a few iffs and buts, obviously, but the basics are that the Bulls contest the process of entering administration. If the process was flawed or wrong, for whatever reason, then 6 points back is the result. There's no in-between. The process is either correct or incorrect. Everybody is assuming we are appealing the severity. That is not the case, it is the whole administration process.[/p][/quote]My only doubt is the fact that for the last 5 years the club has not made a decision that has benefitted the club to a reasonable degree, both on the pitch and off it the club made some woeful decisions that have caused the once great club to sink to the abyss. I hope my gut instict is wrong but I can only see one result - the 6 point deduction being upheld which will make the Wakefield result irrelevant. If we had Mick Potter at the helm we wouldn't have suffered so many humiliating defeats in such a short time and would be challenging Wakefield even with the points deduction. Bullmaniac
  • Score: 4

12:13pm Wed 28 May 14

blue marlin says...

flashdonut wrote:
axelf1963 wrote: Green is waiting to see outcome of points deduction as any signings would be a waste of time due to the impossible task. Championship a certainty 2 points back maximum but a Wakey win this week.
Nice. . Bulls are not appealing the points deduction as such, they are appealing the process of entering administration. That is why it is an independent panel. If it was just the severity of the punishment, the appeal would be heard by the RFL. My understanding is that if the appeal next week is a success, ALL points could very well be given back. There's a few iffs and buts, obviously, but the basics are that the Bulls contest the process of entering administration. If the process was flawed or wrong, for whatever reason, then 6 points back is the result. There's no in-between. The process is either correct or incorrect. Everybody is assuming we are appealing the severity. That is not the case, it is the whole administration process.
how will that make the other creditors who lost money feel?
also does it not leave the RFL with egg on there faces?
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Green is waiting to see outcome of points deduction as any signings would be a waste of time due to the impossible task. Championship a certainty 2 points back maximum but a Wakey win this week.[/p][/quote]Nice. . Bulls are not appealing the points deduction as such, they are appealing the process of entering administration. That is why it is an independent panel. If it was just the severity of the punishment, the appeal would be heard by the RFL. My understanding is that if the appeal next week is a success, ALL points could very well be given back. There's a few iffs and buts, obviously, but the basics are that the Bulls contest the process of entering administration. If the process was flawed or wrong, for whatever reason, then 6 points back is the result. There's no in-between. The process is either correct or incorrect. Everybody is assuming we are appealing the severity. That is not the case, it is the whole administration process.[/p][/quote]how will that make the other creditors who lost money feel? also does it not leave the RFL with egg on there faces? blue marlin
  • Score: 3

12:15pm Wed 28 May 14

axelf1963 says...

You will always be my number 1 nosher but yes have changed my ways with my new mate Spangles :)
You will always be my number 1 nosher but yes have changed my ways with my new mate Spangles :) axelf1963
  • Score: 1

12:41pm Wed 28 May 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Some on twitter have the feeling that once the parachute payment is made after relegation and the money invested is returned. Mr Green is gone, hence no signings.

The theory that nothing will be done until the appeal is heard is rediculous. 5 or 6 games will have passed, so it's throwing away a chance of 12 points for the fingers cross approach of gaining 6.
Some on twitter have the feeling that once the parachute payment is made after relegation and the money invested is returned. Mr Green is gone, hence no signings. The theory that nothing will be done until the appeal is heard is rediculous. 5 or 6 games will have passed, so it's throwing away a chance of 12 points for the fingers cross approach of gaining 6. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -1

12:58pm Wed 28 May 14

flashdonut says...

blue marlin wrote:
flashdonut wrote:
axelf1963 wrote: Green is waiting to see outcome of points deduction as any signings would be a waste of time due to the impossible task. Championship a certainty 2 points back maximum but a Wakey win this week.
Nice. . Bulls are not appealing the points deduction as such, they are appealing the process of entering administration. That is why it is an independent panel. If it was just the severity of the punishment, the appeal would be heard by the RFL. My understanding is that if the appeal next week is a success, ALL points could very well be given back. There's a few iffs and buts, obviously, but the basics are that the Bulls contest the process of entering administration. If the process was flawed or wrong, for whatever reason, then 6 points back is the result. There's no in-between. The process is either correct or incorrect. Everybody is assuming we are appealing the severity. That is not the case, it is the whole administration process.
how will that make the other creditors who lost money feel?
also does it not leave the RFL with egg on there faces?
Got to be honest. I am really fussed. Though I do say they creditors will be highly upset. Plus, the RFL did not actually put the club into administration. So they have only issued a punishment based on what others have done. As much as it will look a right farce, it isn't the RFL's doing. They have acted according to what the receivers have done. More or less anyway.
.
But how do you think the club feels? The club had been hand picked off talent. Crowds have plummeted.
[quote][p][bold]blue marlin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Green is waiting to see outcome of points deduction as any signings would be a waste of time due to the impossible task. Championship a certainty 2 points back maximum but a Wakey win this week.[/p][/quote]Nice. . Bulls are not appealing the points deduction as such, they are appealing the process of entering administration. That is why it is an independent panel. If it was just the severity of the punishment, the appeal would be heard by the RFL. My understanding is that if the appeal next week is a success, ALL points could very well be given back. There's a few iffs and buts, obviously, but the basics are that the Bulls contest the process of entering administration. If the process was flawed or wrong, for whatever reason, then 6 points back is the result. There's no in-between. The process is either correct or incorrect. Everybody is assuming we are appealing the severity. That is not the case, it is the whole administration process.[/p][/quote]how will that make the other creditors who lost money feel? also does it not leave the RFL with egg on there faces?[/p][/quote]Got to be honest. I am really fussed. Though I do say they creditors will be highly upset. Plus, the RFL did not actually put the club into administration. So they have only issued a punishment based on what others have done. As much as it will look a right farce, it isn't the RFL's doing. They have acted according to what the receivers have done. More or less anyway. . But how do you think the club feels? The club had been hand picked off talent. Crowds have plummeted. flashdonut
  • Score: 0

1:18pm Wed 28 May 14

The Fat Lady Sings says...

Just reading Green's statement again, I have to feel that he knows very little about rugby league. Mr Cummins says "embarrassing" (again and again) and all is well. Gosh, I wish I had a boss like yours Franny!
Just reading Green's statement again, I have to feel that he knows very little about rugby league. Mr Cummins says "embarrassing" (again and again) and all is well. Gosh, I wish I had a boss like yours Franny! The Fat Lady Sings
  • Score: 7

1:34pm Wed 28 May 14

oswald777 says...

'Green backs Cummins' ??? The blind leading the blind.........
'Green backs Cummins' ??? The blind leading the blind......... oswald777
  • Score: 11

2:01pm Wed 28 May 14

BD16 says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Fat lady,
Exactly,he put the club into Administration to save the club.I do not know how many times this has to stated on the forum.IF THE CLUB HAD NOT BEEN PUT INTO ADMIN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WOUND UP BY HMRC. No club at all then.Which would you prefer.
What I don't understand is why he lent them money in the first place. He's not from Bradford and seems to have no affinity with the sport, the city or the club.

If he's the successful business man that people say he is, why did he part with so much money when Whitcut, Khan and Sutcliffe came round with the begging bowl? I don't pretend to know the answer, but if you can work it out you may get a better understanding of what he's after in the long run.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Fat lady, Exactly,he put the club into Administration to save the club.I do not know how many times this has to stated on the forum.IF THE CLUB HAD NOT BEEN PUT INTO ADMIN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WOUND UP BY HMRC. No club at all then.Which would you prefer.[/p][/quote]What I don't understand is why he lent them money in the first place. He's not from Bradford and seems to have no affinity with the sport, the city or the club. If he's the successful business man that people say he is, why did he part with so much money when Whitcut, Khan and Sutcliffe came round with the begging bowl? I don't pretend to know the answer, but if you can work it out you may get a better understanding of what he's after in the long run. BD16
  • Score: 2

2:29pm Wed 28 May 14

blue marlin says...

BD16 wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: Fat lady, Exactly,he put the club into Administration to save the club.I do not know how many times this has to stated on the forum.IF THE CLUB HAD NOT BEEN PUT INTO ADMIN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WOUND UP BY HMRC. No club at all then.Which would you prefer.
What I don't understand is why he lent them money in the first place. He's not from Bradford and seems to have no affinity with the sport, the city or the club. If he's the successful business man that people say he is, why did he part with so much money when Whitcut, Khan and Sutcliffe came round with the begging bowl? I don't pretend to know the answer, but if you can work it out you may get a better understanding of what he's after in the long run.
Agree, and somebody should be trying to shed some light on the whole sorry saga
its not 4 weeks ago thet the RFL were after Ok for approx K900 etc etc etc.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Fat lady, Exactly,he put the club into Administration to save the club.I do not know how many times this has to stated on the forum.IF THE CLUB HAD NOT BEEN PUT INTO ADMIN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WOUND UP BY HMRC. No club at all then.Which would you prefer.[/p][/quote]What I don't understand is why he lent them money in the first place. He's not from Bradford and seems to have no affinity with the sport, the city or the club. If he's the successful business man that people say he is, why did he part with so much money when Whitcut, Khan and Sutcliffe came round with the begging bowl? I don't pretend to know the answer, but if you can work it out you may get a better understanding of what he's after in the long run.[/p][/quote]Agree, and somebody should be trying to shed some light on the whole sorry saga its not 4 weeks ago thet the RFL were after Ok for approx K900 etc etc etc. blue marlin
  • Score: 3

2:37pm Wed 28 May 14

Ackersthebull says...

New Bradford Bulls chairman Marc Green insists he is not even thinking about the club getting relegated, labelling it “Plan Z” in his list of options for the club’s future.
Green met the press today, for the first time since his takeover of the club was completed last Wednesday. And he spoke passionately of his pride to be involved with the club, as well as claiming every other plan will be exhausted before relegation is even contemplated.

The above was reported less than 2 months ago. We seem to have gone from plans A - Y without anyone noticing so it appears that plan Z is the option now. We are conceding over 40 points per game on average and the product on view is rubbish except for the Warrington game which had both the atmosphere and the result. Until someone can guarantee that things will change in terms of quality of what's on display then supporters, who have already done more than their bit over recent times, will not come back. I thought the Warrington game might be a turning point but sadly no. The only thing consistent with 'embarrassing' performances is dwindling crowds.
Even Warrington & Saints fans couldn't be bothered to turn up in usual numbers and I don't expect many Wakey fans will.
Just hoping for some better displays starting this week
New Bradford Bulls chairman Marc Green insists he is not even thinking about the club getting relegated, labelling it “Plan Z” in his list of options for the club’s future. Green met the press today, for the first time since his takeover of the club was completed last Wednesday. And he spoke passionately of his pride to be involved with the club, as well as claiming every other plan will be exhausted before relegation is even contemplated. The above was reported less than 2 months ago. We seem to have gone from plans A - Y without anyone noticing so it appears that plan Z is the option now. We are conceding over 40 points per game on average and the product on view is rubbish except for the Warrington game which had both the atmosphere and the result. Until someone can guarantee that things will change in terms of quality of what's on display then supporters, who have already done more than their bit over recent times, will not come back. I thought the Warrington game might be a turning point but sadly no. The only thing consistent with 'embarrassing' performances is dwindling crowds. Even Warrington & Saints fans couldn't be bothered to turn up in usual numbers and I don't expect many Wakey fans will. Just hoping for some better displays starting this week Ackersthebull
  • Score: 3

3:41pm Wed 28 May 14

axelf1963 says...

Here is my prediction,
Wakey by 8
Here is my prediction, Wakey by 8 axelf1963
  • Score: -1

3:58pm Wed 28 May 14

blue marlin says...

axelf1963 wrote:
Here is my prediction, Wakey by 8
TBH I think we will win, not sure by how many but that does not matter.
[quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Here is my prediction, Wakey by 8[/p][/quote]TBH I think we will win, not sure by how many but that does not matter. blue marlin
  • Score: -1

5:09pm Wed 28 May 14

City gent says...

Why should u get points back.nobody else did
Why should u get points back.nobody else did City gent
  • Score: 4

6:25pm Wed 28 May 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

City Gent,
Why are you bothered.Concentrate on your own teams shortcomings.
City Gent, Why are you bothered.Concentrate on your own teams shortcomings. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: -4

6:47pm Wed 28 May 14

blue marlin says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
City Gent,
Why are you bothered.Concentrate on your own teams shortcomings.
TBH got to agree wrong to get points back IMO
Also I see Gerry sutcliffe is to stand down as an MP
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: City Gent, Why are you bothered.Concentrate on your own teams shortcomings.[/p][/quote]TBH got to agree wrong to get points back IMO Also I see Gerry sutcliffe is to stand down as an MP blue marlin
  • Score: 3

6:48pm Wed 28 May 14

Sad bull says...

blue marlin wrote:
BD16 wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: Fat lady, Exactly,he put the club into Administration to save the club.I do not know how many times this has to stated on the forum.IF THE CLUB HAD NOT BEEN PUT INTO ADMIN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WOUND UP BY HMRC. No club at all then.Which would you prefer.
What I don't understand is why he lent them money in the first place. He's not from Bradford and seems to have no affinity with the sport, the city or the club. If he's the successful business man that people say he is, why did he part with so much money when Whitcut, Khan and Sutcliffe came round with the begging bowl? I don't pretend to know the answer, but if you can work it out you may get a better understanding of what he's after in the long run.
Agree, and somebody should be trying to shed some light on the whole sorry saga
its not 4 weeks ago thet the RFL were after Ok for approx K900 etc etc etc.
Remember it was Khan and Whittcut so the interest rates they agreed to pay won't be the same as Barclays ! A simple lucrative business transaction is my guess.
[quote][p][bold]blue marlin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Fat lady, Exactly,he put the club into Administration to save the club.I do not know how many times this has to stated on the forum.IF THE CLUB HAD NOT BEEN PUT INTO ADMIN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WOUND UP BY HMRC. No club at all then.Which would you prefer.[/p][/quote]What I don't understand is why he lent them money in the first place. He's not from Bradford and seems to have no affinity with the sport, the city or the club. If he's the successful business man that people say he is, why did he part with so much money when Whitcut, Khan and Sutcliffe came round with the begging bowl? I don't pretend to know the answer, but if you can work it out you may get a better understanding of what he's after in the long run.[/p][/quote]Agree, and somebody should be trying to shed some light on the whole sorry saga its not 4 weeks ago thet the RFL were after Ok for approx K900 etc etc etc.[/p][/quote]Remember it was Khan and Whittcut so the interest rates they agreed to pay won't be the same as Barclays ! A simple lucrative business transaction is my guess. Sad bull
  • Score: 2

7:46pm Wed 28 May 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

BD16 wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Fat lady,
Exactly,he put the club into Administration to save the club.I do not know how many times this has to stated on the forum.IF THE CLUB HAD NOT BEEN PUT INTO ADMIN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WOUND UP BY HMRC. No club at all then.Which would you prefer.
What I don't understand is why he lent them money in the first place. He's not from Bradford and seems to have no affinity with the sport, the city or the club.

If he's the successful business man that people say he is, why did he part with so much money when Whitcut, Khan and Sutcliffe came round with the begging bowl? I don't pretend to know the answer, but if you can work it out you may get a better understanding of what he's after in the long run.
"What I don't understand is why he lent them money in the first place."

Because that's what they do.......Oy Vey
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Fat lady, Exactly,he put the club into Administration to save the club.I do not know how many times this has to stated on the forum.IF THE CLUB HAD NOT BEEN PUT INTO ADMIN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WOUND UP BY HMRC. No club at all then.Which would you prefer.[/p][/quote]What I don't understand is why he lent them money in the first place. He's not from Bradford and seems to have no affinity with the sport, the city or the club. If he's the successful business man that people say he is, why did he part with so much money when Whitcut, Khan and Sutcliffe came round with the begging bowl? I don't pretend to know the answer, but if you can work it out you may get a better understanding of what he's after in the long run.[/p][/quote]"What I don't understand is why he lent them money in the first place." Because that's what they do.......Oy Vey Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 2

8:12pm Wed 28 May 14

Paul from Idle says...

Won't sack FC ever.....would have to pay compensation!
Won't sack FC ever.....would have to pay compensation! Paul from Idle
  • Score: 2

9:41pm Wed 28 May 14

bradfordbronco says...

Not bothered about the points, we won't stay up anyway. The players and coaches are not working hard enough in training and it shows on the pitch. don't think the players are too bad. They're just as good as Hull KR, Castleford, Wakefield, Catalans and Widnes. The difference is our coaching set up is just so far behind the other clubs. Cummins is no worse a coach than Wane or MacDermott but they have the club culture and an experienced coaching team behind them I feel sorry for Cummins he's a top bloke but never stood a chance with just St Hillare to help him.

I'm actually partly hoping we lose on Sunday so that Cummins will offer his resignation. We can't afford to sack him but I think he's worth keeping in the set up anyway and if he stood aside the club could bring an experienced coach in to work with cummins and build for next season
Not bothered about the points, we won't stay up anyway. The players and coaches are not working hard enough in training and it shows on the pitch. don't think the players are too bad. They're just as good as Hull KR, Castleford, Wakefield, Catalans and Widnes. The difference is our coaching set up is just so far behind the other clubs. Cummins is no worse a coach than Wane or MacDermott but they have the club culture and an experienced coaching team behind them I feel sorry for Cummins he's a top bloke but never stood a chance with just St Hillare to help him. I'm actually partly hoping we lose on Sunday so that Cummins will offer his resignation. We can't afford to sack him but I think he's worth keeping in the set up anyway and if he stood aside the club could bring an experienced coach in to work with cummins and build for next season bradfordbronco
  • Score: 1

9:43pm Wed 28 May 14

nosher says...

Paul from Idle wrote:
Won't sack FC ever.....would have to pay compensation!
I agree. FC will get to the point where the beatings are not worth it and he will resign.
[quote][p][bold]Paul from Idle[/bold] wrote: Won't sack FC ever.....would have to pay compensation![/p][/quote]I agree. FC will get to the point where the beatings are not worth it and he will resign. nosher
  • Score: 0

9:01am Fri 30 May 14

billybobbull says...

It seems Mr Green is a very good businessman, and comes to it with business eyes. He also knows the best lawyers and has them there on Wednesday. So let's wait and see what happens.

In relation to FC, business has to be the first consideration. If he is sacked he has a good case at the ET. If he leaves through embarrassment, and lets face it, losing to Catalans by that many points IS embarrassing, he walks away with head held high and will easily get another job somewhere else. Mr Green shakes his hand and says, thank you for giving it a go. Good bye.

IF...and I say IF, we can win against Wakey it shows he CAN rally the troops and motivate. If not, then he has proven he s not up to it. With nearly a full squad this is the crunch game, clearly.

Money is everthing at the moment, so Mr Green neefs to be as careful as he is and wait til Wednesday. If we lose Sunday and Wednesday, the plan will be simple, stick with what we have til September, unless FC walks away. If we win both.game on, bring in a Director of Football, who might be able to assist with motivation and bringing (back) a couple more older heads.

No predictions, but the next 5 days are the most important we ve had since 1964. We must trust in Mr Green 's business acumen. FC will do the right thing one way or the other.
It seems Mr Green is a very good businessman, and comes to it with business eyes. He also knows the best lawyers and has them there on Wednesday. So let's wait and see what happens. In relation to FC, business has to be the first consideration. If he is sacked he has a good case at the ET. If he leaves through embarrassment, and lets face it, losing to Catalans by that many points IS embarrassing, he walks away with head held high and will easily get another job somewhere else. Mr Green shakes his hand and says, thank you for giving it a go. Good bye. IF...and I say IF, we can win against Wakey it shows he CAN rally the troops and motivate. If not, then he has proven he s not up to it. With nearly a full squad this is the crunch game, clearly. Money is everthing at the moment, so Mr Green neefs to be as careful as he is and wait til Wednesday. If we lose Sunday and Wednesday, the plan will be simple, stick with what we have til September, unless FC walks away. If we win both.game on, bring in a Director of Football, who might be able to assist with motivation and bringing (back) a couple more older heads. No predictions, but the next 5 days are the most important we ve had since 1964. We must trust in Mr Green 's business acumen. FC will do the right thing one way or the other. billybobbull
  • Score: 0

12:39pm Fri 30 May 14

BierleyBoy says...

Sad bull wrote:
blue marlin wrote:
BD16 wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: Fat lady, Exactly,he put the club into Administration to save the club.I do not know how many times this has to stated on the forum.IF THE CLUB HAD NOT BEEN PUT INTO ADMIN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WOUND UP BY HMRC. No club at all then.Which would you prefer.
What I don't understand is why he lent them money in the first place. He's not from Bradford and seems to have no affinity with the sport, the city or the club. If he's the successful business man that people say he is, why did he part with so much money when Whitcut, Khan and Sutcliffe came round with the begging bowl? I don't pretend to know the answer, but if you can work it out you may get a better understanding of what he's after in the long run.
Agree, and somebody should be trying to shed some light on the whole sorry saga
its not 4 weeks ago thet the RFL were after Ok for approx K900 etc etc etc.
Remember it was Khan and Whittcut so the interest rates they agreed to pay won't be the same as Barclays ! A simple lucrative business transaction is my guess.
Green put OK Bulls into administration to protect his loan to the business. The assets he owns as a result of calling in the defaulted loan are worth more if it is still trading.

Whoever signed the club up to the loan, it would appear to be Ryan Whitcut working in my opinion on behalf of Omar Khan, pulled a fast one to get money in and out of the club before it went under.

Green is quids in no matter how this pans out.
[quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blue marlin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Fat lady, Exactly,he put the club into Administration to save the club.I do not know how many times this has to stated on the forum.IF THE CLUB HAD NOT BEEN PUT INTO ADMIN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WOUND UP BY HMRC. No club at all then.Which would you prefer.[/p][/quote]What I don't understand is why he lent them money in the first place. He's not from Bradford and seems to have no affinity with the sport, the city or the club. If he's the successful business man that people say he is, why did he part with so much money when Whitcut, Khan and Sutcliffe came round with the begging bowl? I don't pretend to know the answer, but if you can work it out you may get a better understanding of what he's after in the long run.[/p][/quote]Agree, and somebody should be trying to shed some light on the whole sorry saga its not 4 weeks ago thet the RFL were after Ok for approx K900 etc etc etc.[/p][/quote]Remember it was Khan and Whittcut so the interest rates they agreed to pay won't be the same as Barclays ! A simple lucrative business transaction is my guess.[/p][/quote]Green put OK Bulls into administration to protect his loan to the business. The assets he owns as a result of calling in the defaulted loan are worth more if it is still trading. Whoever signed the club up to the loan, it would appear to be Ryan Whitcut working in my opinion on behalf of Omar Khan, pulled a fast one to get money in and out of the club before it went under. Green is quids in no matter how this pans out. BierleyBoy
  • Score: 0

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