Richard Lamb out of running to buy Bradford Bulls after latest twist in saga

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Richard Lamb has been told his group is no longer the preferred bidder Richard Lamb has been told his group is no longer the preferred bidder

Richard Lamb last night all but accepted defeat in his bid to buy the Bulls from administrator David Wilson.

The London-based businessman has fronted a consortium including former Bulls chief executive Abi Ekoku and wealthy property developers from the capital.

Their offer for the club was accepted in principle by Wilson last Thursday before the RFL requested proof of funds of £1million by the following day in order to seal the deal.

Lamb was unable to meet that deadline due to the money being held in an overseas bank account but says his consortium had “significant funds” at their disposal.

However, Lamb was yesterday told by the RFL that his group were no longer considered the preferred bidder and that the club was effectively back up for grabs.

Although Mandy Koukash and Bradford City joint-chairmen Julian Rhodes and Mark Lawn also made offers to the administrator, neither party have heard from Wilson since they made their initial offers.

It would appear that debenture holder Marc Green and a consortium led by representatives from Bradford Park Avenue are now vying for control, with a decision expected imminently.

Lamb said: “I have tried to be open and clear about what we have been trying to achieve with the club, which has been hard at times.

“If we are not the successful bid, then I hope the Bulls find an owner who will invest in the club this season and in future seasons.

“Two weeks ago, we put in a bid for OK Bulls and were asked last week for proof of funding.

“This we provided to both the RFL and the administrator, which showed a considerable amount of monies available.

“On Thursday we again had to show funds by lunchtime Friday. With the investor not in the country we were unable to do that within the timescale, which now appears to have derailed our bid.”

Lamb revealed that former directors Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt last week contacted him to express an interest in being involved with the club should his bid be successful.

Leeds-based administrator Wilson has refused to make any comment so far, attracting criticism from Mandy Koukash, who said on Twitter: “Not very professional by the RFL/Administrator not to have contacted me ten days after submitting my bid.”

 

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7:09am Tue 25 Mar 14

Claytonbull says...

What is really going on here ? How can the RFL put a timeline of less than 34 hours for them to show they had a million pounds in the bank . How stupid if you had that kind of money it's going to be spread out all over the place not stuffed under the mattress at home. So were now back to square one and it looks like no one will be able to buy the club unless they've got a spare million pounds . But wait if bradford park avenue but it the bulls move to horsfall stadium ideal for championship rugby and the RFL get to sell odsal with all the land to the highest bidder big profit for them ?? It does make you wonder doesn't it ? I didn't realise we were hated so much by the rest of the rugby league community maybe it's time to throw in the towel .
What is really going on here ? How can the RFL put a timeline of less than 34 hours for them to show they had a million pounds in the bank . How stupid if you had that kind of money it's going to be spread out all over the place not stuffed under the mattress at home. So were now back to square one and it looks like no one will be able to buy the club unless they've got a spare million pounds . But wait if bradford park avenue but it the bulls move to horsfall stadium ideal for championship rugby and the RFL get to sell odsal with all the land to the highest bidder big profit for them ?? It does make you wonder doesn't it ? I didn't realise we were hated so much by the rest of the rugby league community maybe it's time to throw in the towel . Claytonbull
  • Score: 14

7:12am Tue 25 Mar 14

Ackersthebull says...

There appears to be a group of people all wanting to 'invest' but none of them working together behind the scenes. We have the administrator being paid quite well I would imagine, who has now messed up twice. Either proof of funds was given or it was not, choose who to believe.
We weren't guaranteed relegation and our pre season and early season attitude showed that. It appears that the RFL would like us to be relegated without appearing to be the executioners but every day we have the shackles on us relegation is becoming more of a reality. We have an unenviable run of games coming up for a team in our current position and we are likely to drift behind the other relegation candidates who are likely to collect points from each other.
Are we now going to endure another round of bidding or can Wilson remember as far back as last week. Whoever we get is at least third choice and if they are the right people then why weren't they before?
This is disgusting and does not bode well for others who will surely find themselves in a similar position.
Just get it sorted and let's get on as level playing field as possible.
There appears to be a group of people all wanting to 'invest' but none of them working together behind the scenes. We have the administrator being paid quite well I would imagine, who has now messed up twice. Either proof of funds was given or it was not, choose who to believe. We weren't guaranteed relegation and our pre season and early season attitude showed that. It appears that the RFL would like us to be relegated without appearing to be the executioners but every day we have the shackles on us relegation is becoming more of a reality. We have an unenviable run of games coming up for a team in our current position and we are likely to drift behind the other relegation candidates who are likely to collect points from each other. Are we now going to endure another round of bidding or can Wilson remember as far back as last week. Whoever we get is at least third choice and if they are the right people then why weren't they before? This is disgusting and does not bode well for others who will surely find themselves in a similar position. Just get it sorted and let's get on as level playing field as possible. Ackersthebull
  • Score: 27

7:16am Tue 25 Mar 14

Rachelknott says...

Claytonbull wrote:
What is really going on here ? How can the RFL put a timeline of less than 34 hours for them to show they had a million pounds in the bank . How stupid if you had that kind of money it's going to be spread out all over the place not stuffed under the mattress at home. So were now back to square one and it looks like no one will be able to buy the club unless they've got a spare million pounds . But wait if bradford park avenue but it the bulls move to horsfall stadium ideal for championship rugby and the RFL get to sell odsal with all the land to the highest bidder big profit for them ?? It does make you wonder doesn't it ? I didn't realise we were hated so much by the rest of the rugby league community maybe it's time to throw in the towel .
Horse fall is getting knocked down park ave don't have a ground
[quote][p][bold]Claytonbull[/bold] wrote: What is really going on here ? How can the RFL put a timeline of less than 34 hours for them to show they had a million pounds in the bank . How stupid if you had that kind of money it's going to be spread out all over the place not stuffed under the mattress at home. So were now back to square one and it looks like no one will be able to buy the club unless they've got a spare million pounds . But wait if bradford park avenue but it the bulls move to horsfall stadium ideal for championship rugby and the RFL get to sell odsal with all the land to the highest bidder big profit for them ?? It does make you wonder doesn't it ? I didn't realise we were hated so much by the rest of the rugby league community maybe it's time to throw in the towel .[/p][/quote]Horse fall is getting knocked down park ave don't have a ground Rachelknott
  • Score: 5

7:36am Tue 25 Mar 14

Claytonbull says...

Rachelknott wrote:
Claytonbull wrote:
What is really going on here ? How can the RFL put a timeline of less than 34 hours for them to show they had a million pounds in the bank . How stupid if you had that kind of money it's going to be spread out all over the place not stuffed under the mattress at home. So were now back to square one and it looks like no one will be able to buy the club unless they've got a spare million pounds . But wait if bradford park avenue but it the bulls move to horsfall stadium ideal for championship rugby and the RFL get to sell odsal with all the land to the highest bidder big profit for them ?? It does make you wonder doesn't it ? I didn't realise we were hated so much by the rest of the rugby league community maybe it's time to throw in the towel .
Horse fall is getting knocked down park ave don't have a ground
It just seams every time we get close to getting things sorted the RFL move the goalposts. So any new owners now have to show they have over a million pounds in the bank when did this get decided?. There not exactly beating down the door ready to throw there cheque books in are they. And let's be honest if someone does come in its most likely by the sound of it that that million pounds is going to get swallowed up straight away. So what the RFL are actually asking is for someone to give the bulls a million pounds and will probably never get it back. Can't see it happening to be honest. I hate to say it but me thinks it's the beginning of the end now.
[quote][p][bold]Rachelknott[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claytonbull[/bold] wrote: What is really going on here ? How can the RFL put a timeline of less than 34 hours for them to show they had a million pounds in the bank . How stupid if you had that kind of money it's going to be spread out all over the place not stuffed under the mattress at home. So were now back to square one and it looks like no one will be able to buy the club unless they've got a spare million pounds . But wait if bradford park avenue but it the bulls move to horsfall stadium ideal for championship rugby and the RFL get to sell odsal with all the land to the highest bidder big profit for them ?? It does make you wonder doesn't it ? I didn't realise we were hated so much by the rest of the rugby league community maybe it's time to throw in the towel .[/p][/quote]Horse fall is getting knocked down park ave don't have a ground[/p][/quote]It just seams every time we get close to getting things sorted the RFL move the goalposts. So any new owners now have to show they have over a million pounds in the bank when did this get decided?. There not exactly beating down the door ready to throw there cheque books in are they. And let's be honest if someone does come in its most likely by the sound of it that that million pounds is going to get swallowed up straight away. So what the RFL are actually asking is for someone to give the bulls a million pounds and will probably never get it back. Can't see it happening to be honest. I hate to say it but me thinks it's the beginning of the end now. Claytonbull
  • Score: 10

7:39am Tue 25 Mar 14

axelf1963 says...

BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE
BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE axelf1963
  • Score: -30

7:42am Tue 25 Mar 14

NG1972 says...

This is a joke, what is the criteria of being approved surely these checks should have been done prior to accepting Mr Lambs bid..... I have said before & I am certain none of the RL authorities want us to succeed. All this is doing now is filling the administrator's pocket with more cash & peeing all of us fans off. I hope Marc Green doesn't get it all he wants is his funds back & he will probably walk out on us. Mrs k has got to be the person for me she has shown plenty of interest re bidding coming to Odsal to support the boys and expressing her frustrations on twitter. I cant believe that Mrs K is still waiting to hear from the RFL, administrator about her bid. Come on RFL wake up & smell the coffee give our special club to Mrs K.
This is a joke, what is the criteria of being approved surely these checks should have been done prior to accepting Mr Lambs bid..... I have said before & I am certain none of the RL authorities want us to succeed. All this is doing now is filling the administrator's pocket with more cash & peeing all of us fans off. I hope Marc Green doesn't get it all he wants is his funds back & he will probably walk out on us. Mrs k has got to be the person for me she has shown plenty of interest re bidding coming to Odsal to support the boys and expressing her frustrations on twitter. I cant believe that Mrs K is still waiting to hear from the RFL, administrator about her bid. Come on RFL wake up & smell the coffee give our special club to Mrs K. NG1972
  • Score: 10

7:43am Tue 25 Mar 14

bradfordbronco says...

Let hope Mandy's bid was the second highest. Can she put in a higher bid now what are the rules?

We will get relegated but so what. At the end of 2015 four SL clubs and four championship clubs battle it out for four SL places. If Mnady can fund a full time squad next season in the championship we have every chance of returning to SL. Use the rest of this season to prepare for 2015 and beyond. Not waste time and money trying to battle the odds and stay up on half the money of everyone else. The RFL want us out. Lets hope Mnady is up to challenge of getting us back in.
Let hope Mandy's bid was the second highest. Can she put in a higher bid now what are the rules? We will get relegated but so what. At the end of 2015 four SL clubs and four championship clubs battle it out for four SL places. If Mnady can fund a full time squad next season in the championship we have every chance of returning to SL. Use the rest of this season to prepare for 2015 and beyond. Not waste time and money trying to battle the odds and stay up on half the money of everyone else. The RFL want us out. Lets hope Mnady is up to challenge of getting us back in. bradfordbronco
  • Score: 2

7:51am Tue 25 Mar 14

axelf1963 says...

Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire.
Get down to city
Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire. Get down to city axelf1963
  • Score: -31

8:01am Tue 25 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

We have the money, but the fella who has it isn't in the country.
You can see why the RFL are a little worried about the bid on that basis. Any bid which can't prove the funds just pull out, your clearly in it for the publicity but whilst you stroke your egos the club is dying. Lamb is so serious he hasn't even been bothered to make time to come see the team which says it all.
We have the money, but the fella who has it isn't in the country. You can see why the RFL are a little worried about the bid on that basis. Any bid which can't prove the funds just pull out, your clearly in it for the publicity but whilst you stroke your egos the club is dying. Lamb is so serious he hasn't even been bothered to make time to come see the team which says it all. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 28

8:16am Tue 25 Mar 14

oddshapedballs says...

axelf1963 wrote:
BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE
Can me and u have a meeting somewhere to discuss this comment a little more. Or are you just going to sit behond your keyboard throwing punches?
[quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE[/p][/quote]Can me and u have a meeting somewhere to discuss this comment a little more. Or are you just going to sit behond your keyboard throwing punches? oddshapedballs
  • Score: 22

8:18am Tue 25 Mar 14

northern pig says...

Claytonbull wrote:
What is really going on here ? How can the RFL put a timeline of less than 34 hours for them to show they had a million pounds in the bank . How stupid if you had that kind of money it's going to be spread out all over the place not stuffed under the mattress at home. So were now back to square one and it looks like no one will be able to buy the club unless they've got a spare million pounds . But wait if bradford park avenue but it the bulls move to horsfall stadium ideal for championship rugby and the RFL get to sell odsal with all the land to the highest bidder big profit for them ?? It does make you wonder doesn't it ? I didn't realise we were hated so much by the rest of the rugby league community maybe it's time to throw in the towel .
The RFL do not own Odsal ,they have stadium lease to use it as a sports venue.The land is owned by Bradford Council.
[quote][p][bold]Claytonbull[/bold] wrote: What is really going on here ? How can the RFL put a timeline of less than 34 hours for them to show they had a million pounds in the bank . How stupid if you had that kind of money it's going to be spread out all over the place not stuffed under the mattress at home. So were now back to square one and it looks like no one will be able to buy the club unless they've got a spare million pounds . But wait if bradford park avenue but it the bulls move to horsfall stadium ideal for championship rugby and the RFL get to sell odsal with all the land to the highest bidder big profit for them ?? It does make you wonder doesn't it ? I didn't realise we were hated so much by the rest of the rugby league community maybe it's time to throw in the towel .[/p][/quote]The RFL do not own Odsal ,they have stadium lease to use it as a sports venue.The land is owned by Bradford Council. northern pig
  • Score: 15

8:21am Tue 25 Mar 14

oddshapedballs says...

axelf1963 wrote:
Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire.
Get down to city
Vp isnt a big enough pitch as a permanent ground. The rfl would chuck us out for that as well!
Plus you have moronic football minded ground staff
[quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire. Get down to city[/p][/quote]Vp isnt a big enough pitch as a permanent ground. The rfl would chuck us out for that as well! Plus you have moronic football minded ground staff oddshapedballs
  • Score: -14

8:24am Tue 25 Mar 14

billybobbull says...

Well..who would have thought (probably half the RL community). The funds are clearly not there or available. I do believe that banks in Cayman might have the technology to prove funds in an account.

It seems the issue is that buyers want t do this in the press and on Twitter. Not good. Mr Wilson is professional. He says nothing. That's his job.(unlike the last publicity hunter.)
Lets wait and see. I am still hopeful of a good deal, but it must be the best for the club long tem, not just someone wanting to make a quick dollar. Any decent buyer will have the backing and nouse to make it work.
Well..who would have thought (probably half the RL community). The funds are clearly not there or available. I do believe that banks in Cayman might have the technology to prove funds in an account. It seems the issue is that buyers want t do this in the press and on Twitter. Not good. Mr Wilson is professional. He says nothing. That's his job.(unlike the last publicity hunter.) Lets wait and see. I am still hopeful of a good deal, but it must be the best for the club long tem, not just someone wanting to make a quick dollar. Any decent buyer will have the backing and nouse to make it work. billybobbull
  • Score: 10

8:29am Tue 25 Mar 14

northern pig says...

Will someone who as Mr&Mrs Koukashes contact details sen them a S.O.B text. [Save Our Bulls.)
Will someone who as Mr&Mrs Koukashes contact details sen them a S.O.B text. [Save Our Bulls.) northern pig
  • Score: -6

8:32am Tue 25 Mar 14

Farsley Bantam says...

oddshapedballs wrote:
axelf1963 wrote: Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire. Get down to city
Vp isnt a big enough pitch as a permanent ground. The rfl would chuck us out for that as well! Plus you have moronic football minded ground staff
'Moronic football minded ground staff'

Of all the reasons I've heard on here for not moving to VP this is easily the best so far.
[quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire. Get down to city[/p][/quote]Vp isnt a big enough pitch as a permanent ground. The rfl would chuck us out for that as well! Plus you have moronic football minded ground staff[/p][/quote]'Moronic football minded ground staff' Of all the reasons I've heard on here for not moving to VP this is easily the best so far. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 19

8:36am Tue 25 Mar 14

Van Bellen's Baby says...

I can't imagine things would have been handled like this when Richard Lewis was head of the RFL. We hear virtually nothing from Red Hall and for Mandy K to have received no communication whatsoever from the Administrator following her application bid is nothing short of disgraceful.
I can't imagine things would have been handled like this when Richard Lewis was head of the RFL. We hear virtually nothing from Red Hall and for Mandy K to have received no communication whatsoever from the Administrator following her application bid is nothing short of disgraceful. Van Bellen's Baby
  • Score: 6

8:38am Tue 25 Mar 14

northern pig says...

oddshapedballs wrote:
axelf1963 wrote:
BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE
Can me and u have a meeting somewhere to discuss this comment a little more. Or are you just going to sit behond your keyboard throwing punches?
He as reeled you in on his fishing line! when he goes to remove the hook from your mouth. Kick him in the CREAMS. lol pig
[quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE[/p][/quote]Can me and u have a meeting somewhere to discuss this comment a little more. Or are you just going to sit behond your keyboard throwing punches?[/p][/quote]He as reeled you in on his fishing line! when he goes to remove the hook from your mouth. Kick him in the CREAMS. lol pig northern pig
  • Score: 5

8:39am Tue 25 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

I think everybody thinks that Mrs.Koukash is the answer.However ,whatever anybody on this forum thinks,the numpties at the RFL are the ones who will make the decision.The only way that they will allow her to take over is if the other Chairmen force the issue with the RFL.As I have told you all on here,there is a power struggle brewing,the clubs are waking up at last and have seen that the amateurs at Red Hall are not up to the task of taking the game forward.They are slowly strangling the game to death and if left in office will achieve it in 5 years time,Maybe a few headlines from the Editors of the Rugby League weeklies would push them along.After all their livelihoods and their staff are at stake with this bunch of clowns running the show.Can anybody tell me what good have they done for the game since they came into office.Do not say the World Cup,it was taken out of their hands and an outside Company ran the show.Oh yes,they have signed an 8 year deal with Sky at Todays prices.That will be worthless in 5 years time as the Club Chairmen are all aware.
I think everybody thinks that Mrs.Koukash is the answer.However ,whatever anybody on this forum thinks,the numpties at the RFL are the ones who will make the decision.The only way that they will allow her to take over is if the other Chairmen force the issue with the RFL.As I have told you all on here,there is a power struggle brewing,the clubs are waking up at last and have seen that the amateurs at Red Hall are not up to the task of taking the game forward.They are slowly strangling the game to death and if left in office will achieve it in 5 years time,Maybe a few headlines from the Editors of the Rugby League weeklies would push them along.After all their livelihoods and their staff are at stake with this bunch of clowns running the show.Can anybody tell me what good have they done for the game since they came into office.Do not say the World Cup,it was taken out of their hands and an outside Company ran the show.Oh yes,they have signed an 8 year deal with Sky at Todays prices.That will be worthless in 5 years time as the Club Chairmen are all aware. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 7

8:40am Tue 25 Mar 14

melon head says...

Still think if moor and co were not put in special measures we would not be in this circus .things were happening ,the club was steadying .ok was going to be longer process. Fairly sure they had been approved at some point so they must of had a business plan passed .but no so we lose players and can't replace them ,that bit of extra cash swallowed up by the black hole and the next option is some bloke from London who doesn't know his way to odsal Hmmmm v professional .would like to see moor and co back with a backer of some sort mr and mrs k ????
Still think if moor and co were not put in special measures we would not be in this circus .things were happening ,the club was steadying .ok was going to be longer process. Fairly sure they had been approved at some point so they must of had a business plan passed .but no so we lose players and can't replace them ,that bit of extra cash swallowed up by the black hole and the next option is some bloke from London who doesn't know his way to odsal Hmmmm v professional .would like to see moor and co back with a backer of some sort mr and mrs k ???? melon head
  • Score: -1

8:49am Tue 25 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

To be fair you cant blame the the RFL asking for proof of funds at this stage. With the previous Bull's owner history they just want to look what is best for the club.

Sorry but if Lamb was even serious about this and being a "clued" up businessman he should have known the deal could not have been completed until funds were proven as is the case with all business deals of this nature. Most competent businessman would have this proof already as part of their bid process. Lamb was just another chancer and although not having an owner isnt ideal they are better off without this one
To be fair you cant blame the the RFL asking for proof of funds at this stage. With the previous Bull's owner history they just want to look what is best for the club. Sorry but if Lamb was even serious about this and being a "clued" up businessman he should have known the deal could not have been completed until funds were proven as is the case with all business deals of this nature. Most competent businessman would have this proof already as part of their bid process. Lamb was just another chancer and although not having an owner isnt ideal they are better off without this one Andy2010
  • Score: 15

8:55am Tue 25 Mar 14

Ballboy2012 says...

Another chancer full if promises and empty bank accounts.

If your bidding for a club you need to have funds ready and avialble. BASIC.
Another chancer full if promises and empty bank accounts. If your bidding for a club you need to have funds ready and avialble. BASIC. Ballboy2012
  • Score: 10

8:57am Tue 25 Mar 14

Andybulls says...

So the RFL have finally said it will need £1m to run the club for the rest of this season. Let's all be clear that Mr Moore, Green, Lamb and the rest don't have it. Mrs Koukash would be the only person with that sort of money, but the Administrator hasn't officially told her that her bid was unsuccessful!
The RFL is run by people who could not run a business and they are preventing the Bulls from having a fighting chance of staying up by delaying the decision.
Let's not forget about the Administrator because we will have to pay him and if you can remember Guilfoyle took over £250,000 out of the business, is that included in the £1m?
Rugby League is going downing the pan and it's ruin is being overseen by people who appear to know nothing about running a business. Their Commercial Director resigned yesterday and the Marketing Director only recently.
We need a revolution and this could be the start, Come on Mrs Koukash save the Bulls!!
So the RFL have finally said it will need £1m to run the club for the rest of this season. Let's all be clear that Mr Moore, Green, Lamb and the rest don't have it. Mrs Koukash would be the only person with that sort of money, but the Administrator hasn't officially told her that her bid was unsuccessful! The RFL is run by people who could not run a business and they are preventing the Bulls from having a fighting chance of staying up by delaying the decision. Let's not forget about the Administrator because we will have to pay him and if you can remember Guilfoyle took over £250,000 out of the business, is that included in the £1m? Rugby League is going downing the pan and it's ruin is being overseen by people who appear to know nothing about running a business. Their Commercial Director resigned yesterday and the Marketing Director only recently. We need a revolution and this could be the start, Come on Mrs Koukash save the Bulls!! Andybulls
  • Score: 5

8:57am Tue 25 Mar 14

Ballboy2012 says...

I would like to see the RFL step in or some other party and see exactly what the administrator is up to. Seems to dragging out his contract and huge fee for too long.
I would like to see the RFL step in or some other party and see exactly what the administrator is up to. Seems to dragging out his contract and huge fee for too long. Ballboy2012
  • Score: 6

9:00am Tue 25 Mar 14

nosher says...

melon head wrote:
Still think if moor and co were not put in special measures we would not be in this circus .things were happening ,the club was steadying .ok was going to be longer process. Fairly sure they had been approved at some point so they must of had a business plan passed .but no so we lose players and can't replace them ,that bit of extra cash swallowed up by the black hole and the next option is some bloke from London who doesn't know his way to odsal Hmmmm v professional .would like to see moor and co back with a backer of some sort mr and mrs k ????
Have you not thought that Moore and his gang realised they were out of their depth and didn't want to end up skint. It may have been their lifeline to jump ship. We are doomed unless somebody can chuck in £1 million and not bat an eyelid. Think that rhino Axel may be right bye bye bye.
[quote][p][bold]melon head[/bold] wrote: Still think if moor and co were not put in special measures we would not be in this circus .things were happening ,the club was steadying .ok was going to be longer process. Fairly sure they had been approved at some point so they must of had a business plan passed .but no so we lose players and can't replace them ,that bit of extra cash swallowed up by the black hole and the next option is some bloke from London who doesn't know his way to odsal Hmmmm v professional .would like to see moor and co back with a backer of some sort mr and mrs k ????[/p][/quote]Have you not thought that Moore and his gang realised they were out of their depth and didn't want to end up skint. It may have been their lifeline to jump ship. We are doomed unless somebody can chuck in £1 million and not bat an eyelid. Think that rhino Axel may be right bye bye bye. nosher
  • Score: 7

9:02am Tue 25 Mar 14

Ballboy2012 says...

Well played the RFL.

It seems the administrator is useless and its up to the RFL to ask for proof of funds. What is the administrator doing for his fee ???????

Thank you RFL for picking off these idiots one by one.

First crooks trying to buy club with clubs money.

Second set of crooks have no funds.!!

Third time lucky............
Well played the RFL. It seems the administrator is useless and its up to the RFL to ask for proof of funds. What is the administrator doing for his fee ??????? Thank you RFL for picking off these idiots one by one. First crooks trying to buy club with clubs money. Second set of crooks have no funds.!! Third time lucky............ Ballboy2012
  • Score: 11

9:02am Tue 25 Mar 14

Bowlingboy says...

well once again I didn't see that one coming....
well once again I didn't see that one coming.... Bowlingboy
  • Score: 3

9:03am Tue 25 Mar 14

Ballboy2012 says...

melon head wrote:
Still think if moor and co were not put in special measures we would not be in this circus .things were happening ,the club was steadying .ok was going to be longer process. Fairly sure they had been approved at some point so they must of had a business plan passed .but no so we lose players and can't replace them ,that bit of extra cash swallowed up by the black hole and the next option is some bloke from London who doesn't know his way to odsal Hmmmm v professional .would like to see moor and co back with a backer of some sort mr and mrs k ????
Moore and co had no cash and the RFL picked out that their business plan was to actually buy the club with season ticket money.
[quote][p][bold]melon head[/bold] wrote: Still think if moor and co were not put in special measures we would not be in this circus .things were happening ,the club was steadying .ok was going to be longer process. Fairly sure they had been approved at some point so they must of had a business plan passed .but no so we lose players and can't replace them ,that bit of extra cash swallowed up by the black hole and the next option is some bloke from London who doesn't know his way to odsal Hmmmm v professional .would like to see moor and co back with a backer of some sort mr and mrs k ????[/p][/quote]Moore and co had no cash and the RFL picked out that their business plan was to actually buy the club with season ticket money. Ballboy2012
  • Score: 5

9:05am Tue 25 Mar 14

raymil0 says...

billybobbull wrote:
Well..who would have thought (probably half the RL community). The funds are clearly not there or available. I do believe that banks in Cayman might have the technology to prove funds in an account. It seems the issue is that buyers want t do this in the press and on Twitter. Not good. Mr Wilson is professional. He says nothing. That's his job.(unlike the last publicity hunter.) Lets wait and see. I am still hopeful of a good deal, but it must be the best for the club long tem, not just someone wanting to make a quick dollar. Any decent buyer will have the backing and nouse to make it work.
Whets so special about city
[quote][p][bold]billybobbull[/bold] wrote: Well..who would have thought (probably half the RL community). The funds are clearly not there or available. I do believe that banks in Cayman might have the technology to prove funds in an account. It seems the issue is that buyers want t do this in the press and on Twitter. Not good. Mr Wilson is professional. He says nothing. That's his job.(unlike the last publicity hunter.) Lets wait and see. I am still hopeful of a good deal, but it must be the best for the club long tem, not just someone wanting to make a quick dollar. Any decent buyer will have the backing and nouse to make it work.[/p][/quote]Whets so special about city raymil0
  • Score: -8

9:07am Tue 25 Mar 14

Nick Harrison says...

Why is it wrong to ask for proof of funds? If you put an offer in on a house yu have to demonstrate that you can actually buy it! the decision day was always imminent and on that day the cheque book needed to come out, how could it on a suggestion that somewhere someone may have some funds - get real folks! Why was he overlooked the first time. Something just doesnt add up and perhaps professionalism and confidentiality prevent us ever finding out what. As for Mrs K, look at her business history. She has £133k of unpaid CCJs (more accutrately a company that she was the MD of has) and she has liquidated that company without paying the creditors - does this ring any alarm bells or do all of the experts on here choose to ignore this because her husband has money - clear evidence that they do operate seperately when they have to as he didnt bail her out, hardly the kind of investor that we need.

The whole thing is a mess. It is beyond belief. Bradford Bulls is imploding at a vast rate of knots and no one seems to be coming forward who has any money. Ideas are all well and good - we need hard cash!
Why is it wrong to ask for proof of funds? If you put an offer in on a house yu have to demonstrate that you can actually buy it! the decision day was always imminent and on that day the cheque book needed to come out, how could it on a suggestion that somewhere someone may have some funds - get real folks! Why was he overlooked the first time. Something just doesnt add up and perhaps professionalism and confidentiality prevent us ever finding out what. As for Mrs K, look at her business history. She has £133k of unpaid CCJs (more accutrately a company that she was the MD of has) and she has liquidated that company without paying the creditors - does this ring any alarm bells or do all of the experts on here choose to ignore this because her husband has money - clear evidence that they do operate seperately when they have to as he didnt bail her out, hardly the kind of investor that we need. The whole thing is a mess. It is beyond belief. Bradford Bulls is imploding at a vast rate of knots and no one seems to be coming forward who has any money. Ideas are all well and good - we need hard cash! Nick Harrison
  • Score: 15

9:08am Tue 25 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Andybulls,
You are quite correct with you statement.The only person with the funds to save the Bulls and take them forward is Mrs Koukash.The clowns at RFL know this but no way will they let her take over.
Andybulls, You are quite correct with you statement.The only person with the funds to save the Bulls and take them forward is Mrs Koukash.The clowns at RFL know this but no way will they let her take over. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: -1

9:10am Tue 25 Mar 14

Ray Mac says...

I suggest we wouldn't be in this mess if the RFL had kept to their word regarding points deduction, Moore shouldn't have broadcasted that there would be no points deduction, but why would he make a statement like that without someone from RFL suggesting so, this issue caused the situation we are in, Moore and co jumped ship to make a statement.
Right or wrong I would have the feeling of betrayal from RFL. wonder if Moore has documented evidence of a discussion email etc, RFL have a lot of guestions to answer, they are a big player in this mess from allowing franchises, buying lease on ground, passing people fit and proper to run our club that most certainly were not, these fit and proper people went on to make the situation worse. This is now a terrible mess
I suggest we wouldn't be in this mess if the RFL had kept to their word regarding points deduction, Moore shouldn't have broadcasted that there would be no points deduction, but why would he make a statement like that without someone from RFL suggesting so, this issue caused the situation we are in, Moore and co jumped ship to make a statement. Right or wrong I would have the feeling of betrayal from RFL. wonder if Moore has documented evidence of a discussion email etc, RFL have a lot of guestions to answer, they are a big player in this mess from allowing franchises, buying lease on ground, passing people fit and proper to run our club that most certainly were not, these fit and proper people went on to make the situation worse. This is now a terrible mess Ray Mac
  • Score: -3

9:11am Tue 25 Mar 14

yorkie10uk says...

As a new poster, I have a thought on all this.

Koukash has cash which the game needs and the RFL know this

His wife makes a bid for the Bulls.

She finds out its not the winning bid with the Administrator. Lamb wins the bid

RFL then impose pressure on Lamb to prove funds.

Does no one else agree that it seems the RFL want Mandy in charge and are putting the mockers on Lamb as they knew he could not achieve this timescale to prove funds.

From there, Mandy bid is second best (hopefully) then hey presto, Bulls are saved and RFL know they are in good hands with someone who clearly has the cash and ambition to take them forward?

Just a thought!!
As a new poster, I have a thought on all this. Koukash has cash which the game needs and the RFL know this His wife makes a bid for the Bulls. She finds out its not the winning bid with the Administrator. Lamb wins the bid RFL then impose pressure on Lamb to prove funds. Does no one else agree that it seems the RFL want Mandy in charge and are putting the mockers on Lamb as they knew he could not achieve this timescale to prove funds. From there, Mandy bid is second best (hopefully) then hey presto, Bulls are saved and RFL know they are in good hands with someone who clearly has the cash and ambition to take them forward? Just a thought!! yorkie10uk
  • Score: 0

9:14am Tue 25 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Nick Harrison,
You can look at the books and finances of all successful business men an d every single one of them will have something against their name.It is just that some are cleverer than others at covering it up.Surely you are not naive enough to think otherwise.Just a thought,has anybody thought of looking into the backgrounds of the men trusted to run RFL.
Nick Harrison, You can look at the books and finances of all successful business men an d every single one of them will have something against their name.It is just that some are cleverer than others at covering it up.Surely you are not naive enough to think otherwise.Just a thought,has anybody thought of looking into the backgrounds of the men trusted to run RFL. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: -2

9:17am Tue 25 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Yorkie,
No chance unless put under pressure by other club Chairmen.
Yorkie, No chance unless put under pressure by other club Chairmen. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 2

9:18am Tue 25 Mar 14

Eddie Tees says...

Mr Wood and all at Red Hall hang your heads in shame! You change the "rules" to suit you as and when you feel.
We are being "kicked out" of the league so we can keep a team in London and France. Potential 15k plus crowds at a succesfull Bulls as apposed to 1500 on a good day in London. Well done RFL!!
Mr Wood and all at Red Hall hang your heads in shame! You change the "rules" to suit you as and when you feel. We are being "kicked out" of the league so we can keep a team in London and France. Potential 15k plus crowds at a succesfull Bulls as apposed to 1500 on a good day in London. Well done RFL!! Eddie Tees
  • Score: 10

9:23am Tue 25 Mar 14

MeccaBingo1 says...

People are blinded

Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal.

Lamb offered about £300000 for club.

We currently owe

Green £250000

Bradford Council £200000

HMRC £177000

RFL £100000's (unknown about)

Plus other normal club debts

1 million would only scratch the surface

The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer.

Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second.

What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general.

On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention.

I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.
People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly. MeccaBingo1
  • Score: 8

9:25am Tue 25 Mar 14

BD16 says...

Nick Harrison wrote:
Why is it wrong to ask for proof of funds? If you put an offer in on a house yu have to demonstrate that you can actually buy it! the decision day was always imminent and on that day the cheque book needed to come out, how could it on a suggestion that somewhere someone may have some funds - get real folks! Why was he overlooked the first time. Something just doesnt add up and perhaps professionalism and confidentiality prevent us ever finding out what. As for Mrs K, look at her business history. She has £133k of unpaid CCJs (more accutrately a company that she was the MD of has) and she has liquidated that company without paying the creditors - does this ring any alarm bells or do all of the experts on here choose to ignore this because her husband has money - clear evidence that they do operate seperately when they have to as he didnt bail her out, hardly the kind of investor that we need.

The whole thing is a mess. It is beyond belief. Bradford Bulls is imploding at a vast rate of knots and no one seems to be coming forward who has any money. Ideas are all well and good - we need hard cash!
If it is true about Mrs Koukash's business dealings, how did she pass the fit and proper persons test, as reported in the T&A not so long ago.

What is the test and do the RFL want to do it again? Might be the reason that she is being passed over.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Harrison[/bold] wrote: Why is it wrong to ask for proof of funds? If you put an offer in on a house yu have to demonstrate that you can actually buy it! the decision day was always imminent and on that day the cheque book needed to come out, how could it on a suggestion that somewhere someone may have some funds - get real folks! Why was he overlooked the first time. Something just doesnt add up and perhaps professionalism and confidentiality prevent us ever finding out what. As for Mrs K, look at her business history. She has £133k of unpaid CCJs (more accutrately a company that she was the MD of has) and she has liquidated that company without paying the creditors - does this ring any alarm bells or do all of the experts on here choose to ignore this because her husband has money - clear evidence that they do operate seperately when they have to as he didnt bail her out, hardly the kind of investor that we need. The whole thing is a mess. It is beyond belief. Bradford Bulls is imploding at a vast rate of knots and no one seems to be coming forward who has any money. Ideas are all well and good - we need hard cash![/p][/quote]If it is true about Mrs Koukash's business dealings, how did she pass the fit and proper persons test, as reported in the T&A not so long ago. What is the test and do the RFL want to do it again? Might be the reason that she is being passed over. BD16
  • Score: 5

9:31am Tue 25 Mar 14

melon head says...

Ballboy2012 wrote:
melon head wrote:
Still think if moor and co were not put in special measures we would not be in this circus .things were happening ,the club was steadying .ok was going to be longer process. Fairly sure they had been approved at some point so they must of had a business plan passed .but no so we lose players and can't replace them ,that bit of extra cash swallowed up by the black hole and the next option is some bloke from London who doesn't know his way to odsal Hmmmm v professional .would like to see moor and co back with a backer of some sort mr and mrs k ????
Moore and co had no cash and the RFL picked out that their business plan was to actually buy the club with season ticket money.
How do you know if they had cash or not you don't !!and to say they were going to use season ticket money is stupid at best . The coral stand was been used for the first time in years to make money new sponsors things were happening .special measures on any club is a hang mans rope thats why they had to pull out and if you believe all the crap red hall spout good luck.as I have said before the worst run team in super leauge is red hall !!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Ballboy2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melon head[/bold] wrote: Still think if moor and co were not put in special measures we would not be in this circus .things were happening ,the club was steadying .ok was going to be longer process. Fairly sure they had been approved at some point so they must of had a business plan passed .but no so we lose players and can't replace them ,that bit of extra cash swallowed up by the black hole and the next option is some bloke from London who doesn't know his way to odsal Hmmmm v professional .would like to see moor and co back with a backer of some sort mr and mrs k ????[/p][/quote]Moore and co had no cash and the RFL picked out that their business plan was to actually buy the club with season ticket money.[/p][/quote]How do you know if they had cash or not you don't !!and to say they were going to use season ticket money is stupid at best . The coral stand was been used for the first time in years to make money new sponsors things were happening .special measures on any club is a hang mans rope thats why they had to pull out and if you believe all the crap red hall spout good luck.as I have said before the worst run team in super leauge is red hall !!!!!! melon head
  • Score: 0

9:33am Tue 25 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Mecca bingo,
They have probably overlooked the fact that they own the lease after all they find it difficult to remember who has and who has not passed the fit and proper persons test.Maybe they should test themselves first.
Mecca bingo, They have probably overlooked the fact that they own the lease after all they find it difficult to remember who has and who has not passed the fit and proper persons test.Maybe they should test themselves first. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 6

9:38am Tue 25 Mar 14

park bantam says...

It's the admins duty to get the most money for Creditors. So if Mandy wants the the club she should put in a good enough offer. Then see if they can come together with the league.
It's the admins duty to get the most money for Creditors. So if Mandy wants the the club she should put in a good enough offer. Then see if they can come together with the league. park bantam
  • Score: 7

9:40am Tue 25 Mar 14

Van Bellen's Baby says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
Let hope Mandy's bid was the second highest. Can she put in a higher bid now what are the rules?

We will get relegated but so what. At the end of 2015 four SL clubs and four championship clubs battle it out for four SL places. If Mnady can fund a full time squad next season in the championship we have every chance of returning to SL. Use the rest of this season to prepare for 2015 and beyond. Not waste time and money trying to battle the odds and stay up on half the money of everyone else. The RFL want us out. Lets hope Mnady is up to challenge of getting us back in.
The problem is Bradfrodbronco that any talk of the Championship and coming back to Superleague assumes that we will actually make it to the end of this season. As things stand we are heading for closure and I wonder who would purchase a sporting club already in a small pond, certain to be heading for the even smaller backwater of the Championship? Private Frazer from Dad's Army springs to mind this morning
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Let hope Mandy's bid was the second highest. Can she put in a higher bid now what are the rules? We will get relegated but so what. At the end of 2015 four SL clubs and four championship clubs battle it out for four SL places. If Mnady can fund a full time squad next season in the championship we have every chance of returning to SL. Use the rest of this season to prepare for 2015 and beyond. Not waste time and money trying to battle the odds and stay up on half the money of everyone else. The RFL want us out. Lets hope Mnady is up to challenge of getting us back in.[/p][/quote]The problem is Bradfrodbronco that any talk of the Championship and coming back to Superleague assumes that we will actually make it to the end of this season. As things stand we are heading for closure and I wonder who would purchase a sporting club already in a small pond, certain to be heading for the even smaller backwater of the Championship? Private Frazer from Dad's Army springs to mind this morning Van Bellen's Baby
  • Score: 3

9:41am Tue 25 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.
These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly.

Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men.

Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls.

All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell.

Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame.

The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw.

The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.
[quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.[/p][/quote]These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 19

9:41am Tue 25 Mar 14

Van Bellen's Baby says...

yorkie10uk wrote:
As a new poster, I have a thought on all this.

Koukash has cash which the game needs and the RFL know this

His wife makes a bid for the Bulls.

She finds out its not the winning bid with the Administrator. Lamb wins the bid

RFL then impose pressure on Lamb to prove funds.

Does no one else agree that it seems the RFL want Mandy in charge and are putting the mockers on Lamb as they knew he could not achieve this timescale to prove funds.

From there, Mandy bid is second best (hopefully) then hey presto, Bulls are saved and RFL know they are in good hands with someone who clearly has the cash and ambition to take them forward?

Just a thought!!
What about Marc Green? He seems to hold some cards in this situation.
[quote][p][bold]yorkie10uk[/bold] wrote: As a new poster, I have a thought on all this. Koukash has cash which the game needs and the RFL know this His wife makes a bid for the Bulls. She finds out its not the winning bid with the Administrator. Lamb wins the bid RFL then impose pressure on Lamb to prove funds. Does no one else agree that it seems the RFL want Mandy in charge and are putting the mockers on Lamb as they knew he could not achieve this timescale to prove funds. From there, Mandy bid is second best (hopefully) then hey presto, Bulls are saved and RFL know they are in good hands with someone who clearly has the cash and ambition to take them forward? Just a thought!![/p][/quote]What about Marc Green? He seems to hold some cards in this situation. Van Bellen's Baby
  • Score: 0

9:42am Tue 25 Mar 14

raisemeup says...

nosher wrote:
melon head wrote:
Still think if moor and co were not put in special measures we would not be in this circus .things were happening ,the club was steadying .ok was going to be longer process. Fairly sure they had been approved at some point so they must of had a business plan passed .but no so we lose players and can't replace them ,that bit of extra cash swallowed up by the black hole and the next option is some bloke from London who doesn't know his way to odsal Hmmmm v professional .would like to see moor and co back with a backer of some sort mr and mrs k ????
Have you not thought that Moore and his gang realised they were out of their depth and didn't want to end up skint. It may have been their lifeline to jump ship. We are doomed unless somebody can chuck in £1 million and not bat an eyelid. Think that rhino Axel may be right bye bye bye.
Stick to what you know (very little) not speculation about who has what and what they were thinking.
The facts of the matter tell a different story. See Mark Moore's article in which he stated that the RFL demanded they put up their homes as collateral and if they bought the club they would REMAIN in special measures until the investment was put into the club.
We have a bunch of rank amateurs at the RFL, attempting a power game, and some form of hidden agenda, that we aren't party to. All we know is they are prepared to see thousands of our fellow citizens suffer this very uncertain future where ideology takes precedence over the people who love the game.
[quote][p][bold]nosher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melon head[/bold] wrote: Still think if moor and co were not put in special measures we would not be in this circus .things were happening ,the club was steadying .ok was going to be longer process. Fairly sure they had been approved at some point so they must of had a business plan passed .but no so we lose players and can't replace them ,that bit of extra cash swallowed up by the black hole and the next option is some bloke from London who doesn't know his way to odsal Hmmmm v professional .would like to see moor and co back with a backer of some sort mr and mrs k ????[/p][/quote]Have you not thought that Moore and his gang realised they were out of their depth and didn't want to end up skint. It may have been their lifeline to jump ship. We are doomed unless somebody can chuck in £1 million and not bat an eyelid. Think that rhino Axel may be right bye bye bye.[/p][/quote]Stick to what you know (very little) not speculation about who has what and what they were thinking. The facts of the matter tell a different story. See Mark Moore's article in which he stated that the RFL demanded they put up their homes as collateral and if they bought the club they would REMAIN in special measures until the investment was put into the club. We have a bunch of rank amateurs at the RFL, attempting a power game, and some form of hidden agenda, that we aren't party to. All we know is they are prepared to see thousands of our fellow citizens suffer this very uncertain future where ideology takes precedence over the people who love the game. raisemeup
  • Score: -1

9:53am Tue 25 Mar 14

Loadofbull70 says...

Its good news Richard Lamb is not in it for Odsal or the Bulls ! Shame Koukash deal could not be reached but the Park avenue deal is the best option imo.
Its good news Richard Lamb is not in it for Odsal or the Bulls ! Shame Koukash deal could not be reached but the Park avenue deal is the best option imo. Loadofbull70
  • Score: -3

10:02am Tue 25 Mar 14

Loadofbull70 says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
I think everybody thinks that Mrs.Koukash is the answer.However ,whatever anybody on this forum thinks,the numpties at the RFL are the ones who will make the decision.The only way that they will allow her to take over is if the other Chairmen force the issue with the RFL.As I have told you all on here,there is a power struggle brewing,the clubs are waking up at last and have seen that the amateurs at Red Hall are not up to the task of taking the game forward.They are slowly strangling the game to death and if left in office will achieve it in 5 years time,Maybe a few headlines from the Editors of the Rugby League weeklies would push them along.After all their livelihoods and their staff are at stake with this bunch of clowns running the show.Can anybody tell me what good have they done for the game since they came into office.Do not say the World Cup,it was taken out of their hands and an outside Company ran the show.Oh yes,they have signed an 8 year deal with Sky at Todays prices.That will be worthless in 5 years time as the Club Chairmen are all aware.
Another post of complete dribble ! stick to golf.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: I think everybody thinks that Mrs.Koukash is the answer.However ,whatever anybody on this forum thinks,the numpties at the RFL are the ones who will make the decision.The only way that they will allow her to take over is if the other Chairmen force the issue with the RFL.As I have told you all on here,there is a power struggle brewing,the clubs are waking up at last and have seen that the amateurs at Red Hall are not up to the task of taking the game forward.They are slowly strangling the game to death and if left in office will achieve it in 5 years time,Maybe a few headlines from the Editors of the Rugby League weeklies would push them along.After all their livelihoods and their staff are at stake with this bunch of clowns running the show.Can anybody tell me what good have they done for the game since they came into office.Do not say the World Cup,it was taken out of their hands and an outside Company ran the show.Oh yes,they have signed an 8 year deal with Sky at Todays prices.That will be worthless in 5 years time as the Club Chairmen are all aware.[/p][/quote]Another post of complete dribble ! stick to golf. Loadofbull70
  • Score: 2

10:03am Tue 25 Mar 14

MeccaBingo1 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.
These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly.

Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men.

Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls.

All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell.

Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame.

The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw.

The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.
For once I think we agree!

You only have to look at the attendance’s at other super league games this weekend to see Rugby League needs the Bradford Bulls back on track and it would be stupid not to offer help.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.[/p][/quote]These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.[/p][/quote]For once I think we agree! You only have to look at the attendance’s at other super league games this weekend to see Rugby League needs the Bradford Bulls back on track and it would be stupid not to offer help. MeccaBingo1
  • Score: 1

10:04am Tue 25 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Loadofbull,
I assume by your statement you have seen their bid.Is it the best for B.P.A. or the Bulls.
Loadofbull, I assume by your statement you have seen their bid.Is it the best for B.P.A. or the Bulls. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 1

10:07am Tue 25 Mar 14

axelf1963 says...

The park avenue alleged crook best option ?Oh dear
The park avenue alleged crook best option ?Oh dear axelf1963
  • Score: -6

10:11am Tue 25 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Got you Loadofbull,you are Mr.Wood in disguise.If you disagree with what I posted re Red Hall answer my question.Tell me what this RFL board has done for the good of Rugby League.Convince me that there is not a power struggle going on,then tell me how you know that.You can not I can
Got you Loadofbull,you are Mr.Wood in disguise.If you disagree with what I posted re Red Hall answer my question.Tell me what this RFL board has done for the good of Rugby League.Convince me that there is not a power struggle going on,then tell me how you know that.You can not I can spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 0

10:13am Tue 25 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Axelf,
There is a first for everything.I AGREE with you.
Axelf, There is a first for everything.I AGREE with you. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 3

10:23am Tue 25 Mar 14

christinetowell456@btinternet.com says...

Nick Harrison wrote:
Why is it wrong to ask for proof of funds? If you put an offer in on a house yu have to demonstrate that you can actually buy it! the decision day was always imminent and on that day the cheque book needed to come out, how could it on a suggestion that somewhere someone may have some funds - get real folks! Why was he overlooked the first time. Something just doesnt add up and perhaps professionalism and confidentiality prevent us ever finding out what. As for Mrs K, look at her business history. She has £133k of unpaid CCJs (more accutrately a company that she was the MD of has) and she has liquidated that company without paying the creditors - does this ring any alarm bells or do all of the experts on here choose to ignore this because her husband has money - clear evidence that they do operate seperately when they have to as he didnt bail her out, hardly the kind of investor that we need.

The whole thing is a mess. It is beyond belief. Bradford Bulls is imploding at a vast rate of knots and no one seems to be coming forward who has any money. Ideas are all well and good - we need hard cash!
at last somebody with common sense mrs k is not a good business person and that is what is needed someome to sort out the sorry mess its never been right since nobby left
[quote][p][bold]Nick Harrison[/bold] wrote: Why is it wrong to ask for proof of funds? If you put an offer in on a house yu have to demonstrate that you can actually buy it! the decision day was always imminent and on that day the cheque book needed to come out, how could it on a suggestion that somewhere someone may have some funds - get real folks! Why was he overlooked the first time. Something just doesnt add up and perhaps professionalism and confidentiality prevent us ever finding out what. As for Mrs K, look at her business history. She has £133k of unpaid CCJs (more accutrately a company that she was the MD of has) and she has liquidated that company without paying the creditors - does this ring any alarm bells or do all of the experts on here choose to ignore this because her husband has money - clear evidence that they do operate seperately when they have to as he didnt bail her out, hardly the kind of investor that we need. The whole thing is a mess. It is beyond belief. Bradford Bulls is imploding at a vast rate of knots and no one seems to be coming forward who has any money. Ideas are all well and good - we need hard cash![/p][/quote]at last somebody with common sense mrs k is not a good business person and that is what is needed someome to sort out the sorry mess its never been right since nobby left christinetowell456@btinternet.com
  • Score: 2

10:25am Tue 25 Mar 14

christinetowell456@btinternet.com says...

yorkie10uk wrote:
As a new poster, I have a thought on all this.

Koukash has cash which the game needs and the RFL know this

His wife makes a bid for the Bulls.

She finds out its not the winning bid with the Administrator. Lamb wins the bid

RFL then impose pressure on Lamb to prove funds.

Does no one else agree that it seems the RFL want Mandy in charge and are putting the mockers on Lamb as they knew he could not achieve this timescale to prove funds.

From there, Mandy bid is second best (hopefully) then hey presto, Bulls are saved and RFL know they are in good hands with someone who clearly has the cash and ambition to take them forward?

Just a thought!!
carry on hoping thats all we can do
[quote][p][bold]yorkie10uk[/bold] wrote: As a new poster, I have a thought on all this. Koukash has cash which the game needs and the RFL know this His wife makes a bid for the Bulls. She finds out its not the winning bid with the Administrator. Lamb wins the bid RFL then impose pressure on Lamb to prove funds. Does no one else agree that it seems the RFL want Mandy in charge and are putting the mockers on Lamb as they knew he could not achieve this timescale to prove funds. From there, Mandy bid is second best (hopefully) then hey presto, Bulls are saved and RFL know they are in good hands with someone who clearly has the cash and ambition to take them forward? Just a thought!![/p][/quote]carry on hoping thats all we can do christinetowell456@btinternet.com
  • Score: 4

10:36am Tue 25 Mar 14

BCFC LAD says says...

christinetowell456@b
tinternet.com
wrote:
Nick Harrison wrote:
Why is it wrong to ask for proof of funds? If you put an offer in on a house yu have to demonstrate that you can actually buy it! the decision day was always imminent and on that day the cheque book needed to come out, how could it on a suggestion that somewhere someone may have some funds - get real folks! Why was he overlooked the first time. Something just doesnt add up and perhaps professionalism and confidentiality prevent us ever finding out what. As for Mrs K, look at her business history. She has £133k of unpaid CCJs (more accutrately a company that she was the MD of has) and she has liquidated that company without paying the creditors - does this ring any alarm bells or do all of the experts on here choose to ignore this because her husband has money - clear evidence that they do operate seperately when they have to as he didnt bail her out, hardly the kind of investor that we need.

The whole thing is a mess. It is beyond belief. Bradford Bulls is imploding at a vast rate of knots and no one seems to be coming forward who has any money. Ideas are all well and good - we need hard cash!
at last somebody with common sense mrs k is not a good business person and that is what is needed someome to sort out the sorry mess its never been right since nobby left
Just a coincidence that since Nobby and Caisley jumped ship we went downhill!!! Think both of them should do the lottery with their ability to read the future, or am I just being cynical.
The RL have to make sure the funding is genuine but don`t want the Koucashes because they are after giving the RL a black eye.
[quote][p][bold]christinetowell456@b tinternet.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Harrison[/bold] wrote: Why is it wrong to ask for proof of funds? If you put an offer in on a house yu have to demonstrate that you can actually buy it! the decision day was always imminent and on that day the cheque book needed to come out, how could it on a suggestion that somewhere someone may have some funds - get real folks! Why was he overlooked the first time. Something just doesnt add up and perhaps professionalism and confidentiality prevent us ever finding out what. As for Mrs K, look at her business history. She has £133k of unpaid CCJs (more accutrately a company that she was the MD of has) and she has liquidated that company without paying the creditors - does this ring any alarm bells or do all of the experts on here choose to ignore this because her husband has money - clear evidence that they do operate seperately when they have to as he didnt bail her out, hardly the kind of investor that we need. The whole thing is a mess. It is beyond belief. Bradford Bulls is imploding at a vast rate of knots and no one seems to be coming forward who has any money. Ideas are all well and good - we need hard cash![/p][/quote]at last somebody with common sense mrs k is not a good business person and that is what is needed someome to sort out the sorry mess its never been right since nobby left[/p][/quote]Just a coincidence that since Nobby and Caisley jumped ship we went downhill!!! Think both of them should do the lottery with their ability to read the future, or am I just being cynical. The RL have to make sure the funding is genuine but don`t want the Koucashes because they are after giving the RL a black eye. BCFC LAD says
  • Score: 4

10:38am Tue 25 Mar 14

Sad bull says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.
These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly.

Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men.

Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls.

All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell.

Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame.

The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw.

The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.
" Moore and co trying to buy the club with its own money " was a swipe at Moore by Ralph Rimmer in retaliation to Moore's scathing statement when they withdrew their offer.

The bid to buy OK Bulls came from Bradford Bulls 2014 which is a company registered to and owned by Moore and his co directors and nobody else.

" the clubs money " to use Rimmer's words was Bradford Bulls 2014' s money, put in by Moore and co so I don't see the problem with it. If I own a company and want to buy another company I am going to use the companies money not my own. That is what they were doing from what I can tell.

People are also confusing buying the club with running the club which are two very different things. Of course they needed to buy the club with their money, but like all businesses it would be run on its cash flow if it is successful, by which I mean run properly. Every business is run in this way. Normally when you invest in a business which is run properly, you don't have to keep on investing.

This was just a red herring and sour grapes from Rimmer. Nothing else.

I think, had the RFL been willing to negotiate on the special measures issue, which was clearly the deal breaker, we would be in a much better place today than we are and I am pretty sure the Bulls would have made it to the end of the season, when things would have improved significantly from a financial point of view. That is all Moore and Co were trying to do.

As others have said positive things were happening at the Bulls and the Coral stand was generating significant money for the first time in years.
There was a real buzz about the place, even at the pre-season friendlies.

The atmosphere at the last home match was dreadful and the Coral stand almost empty. It will take more than money to turn this around.

Can somebody please sort this out as every day my beloved Bulls is just getting weaker and needs intensive care.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.[/p][/quote]These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.[/p][/quote]" Moore and co trying to buy the club with its own money " was a swipe at Moore by Ralph Rimmer in retaliation to Moore's scathing statement when they withdrew their offer. The bid to buy OK Bulls came from Bradford Bulls 2014 which is a company registered to and owned by Moore and his co directors and nobody else. " the clubs money " to use Rimmer's words was Bradford Bulls 2014' s money, put in by Moore and co so I don't see the problem with it. If I own a company and want to buy another company I am going to use the companies money not my own. That is what they were doing from what I can tell. People are also confusing buying the club with running the club which are two very different things. Of course they needed to buy the club with their money, but like all businesses it would be run on its cash flow if it is successful, by which I mean run properly. Every business is run in this way. Normally when you invest in a business which is run properly, you don't have to keep on investing. This was just a red herring and sour grapes from Rimmer. Nothing else. I think, had the RFL been willing to negotiate on the special measures issue, which was clearly the deal breaker, we would be in a much better place today than we are and I am pretty sure the Bulls would have made it to the end of the season, when things would have improved significantly from a financial point of view. That is all Moore and Co were trying to do. As others have said positive things were happening at the Bulls and the Coral stand was generating significant money for the first time in years. There was a real buzz about the place, even at the pre-season friendlies. The atmosphere at the last home match was dreadful and the Coral stand almost empty. It will take more than money to turn this around. Can somebody please sort this out as every day my beloved Bulls is just getting weaker and needs intensive care. Sad bull
  • Score: 1

10:49am Tue 25 Mar 14

StevieLad says...

Lots of people on here assuming Administrator and RFL are one and the same?

The RFL want what's best for their sport &, by extension, at least the immediate the future of the Bulls. Hence passing Koukash as fit & proper.

The Administrator must do what's best for the creditors. Hence accepting the higher offer from Lamb (and whichever foreign investor is wearing him like a glove puppet).

Unfortunately for us, the RFL can't just "give" the club to Koukash. Some of the halfwits on here seem to think it's as simple as taking over an allotment.
Lots of people on here assuming Administrator and RFL are one and the same? The RFL want what's best for their sport &, by extension, at least the immediate the future of the Bulls. Hence passing Koukash as fit & proper. The Administrator must do what's best for the creditors. Hence accepting the higher offer from Lamb (and whichever foreign investor is wearing him like a glove puppet). Unfortunately for us, the RFL can't just "give" the club to Koukash. Some of the halfwits on here seem to think it's as simple as taking over an allotment. StevieLad
  • Score: 6

10:51am Tue 25 Mar 14

MeccaBingo1 says...

Sad bull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.
These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly.

Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men.

Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls.

All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell.

Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame.

The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw.

The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.
" Moore and co trying to buy the club with its own money " was a swipe at Moore by Ralph Rimmer in retaliation to Moore's scathing statement when they withdrew their offer.

The bid to buy OK Bulls came from Bradford Bulls 2014 which is a company registered to and owned by Moore and his co directors and nobody else.

" the clubs money " to use Rimmer's words was Bradford Bulls 2014' s money, put in by Moore and co so I don't see the problem with it. If I own a company and want to buy another company I am going to use the companies money not my own. That is what they were doing from what I can tell.

People are also confusing buying the club with running the club which are two very different things. Of course they needed to buy the club with their money, but like all businesses it would be run on its cash flow if it is successful, by which I mean run properly. Every business is run in this way. Normally when you invest in a business which is run properly, you don't have to keep on investing.

This was just a red herring and sour grapes from Rimmer. Nothing else.

I think, had the RFL been willing to negotiate on the special measures issue, which was clearly the deal breaker, we would be in a much better place today than we are and I am pretty sure the Bulls would have made it to the end of the season, when things would have improved significantly from a financial point of view. That is all Moore and Co were trying to do.

As others have said positive things were happening at the Bulls and the Coral stand was generating significant money for the first time in years.
There was a real buzz about the place, even at the pre-season friendlies.

The atmosphere at the last home match was dreadful and the Coral stand almost empty. It will take more than money to turn this around.

Can somebody please sort this out as every day my beloved Bulls is just getting weaker and needs intensive care.
Moore and co. were 100% bad for the club

If you think otherwise I suggest you consider sectioning yourself under the mental health act!
[quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.[/p][/quote]These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.[/p][/quote]" Moore and co trying to buy the club with its own money " was a swipe at Moore by Ralph Rimmer in retaliation to Moore's scathing statement when they withdrew their offer. The bid to buy OK Bulls came from Bradford Bulls 2014 which is a company registered to and owned by Moore and his co directors and nobody else. " the clubs money " to use Rimmer's words was Bradford Bulls 2014' s money, put in by Moore and co so I don't see the problem with it. If I own a company and want to buy another company I am going to use the companies money not my own. That is what they were doing from what I can tell. People are also confusing buying the club with running the club which are two very different things. Of course they needed to buy the club with their money, but like all businesses it would be run on its cash flow if it is successful, by which I mean run properly. Every business is run in this way. Normally when you invest in a business which is run properly, you don't have to keep on investing. This was just a red herring and sour grapes from Rimmer. Nothing else. I think, had the RFL been willing to negotiate on the special measures issue, which was clearly the deal breaker, we would be in a much better place today than we are and I am pretty sure the Bulls would have made it to the end of the season, when things would have improved significantly from a financial point of view. That is all Moore and Co were trying to do. As others have said positive things were happening at the Bulls and the Coral stand was generating significant money for the first time in years. There was a real buzz about the place, even at the pre-season friendlies. The atmosphere at the last home match was dreadful and the Coral stand almost empty. It will take more than money to turn this around. Can somebody please sort this out as every day my beloved Bulls is just getting weaker and needs intensive care.[/p][/quote]Moore and co. were 100% bad for the club If you think otherwise I suggest you consider sectioning yourself under the mental health act! MeccaBingo1
  • Score: 2

10:56am Tue 25 Mar 14

Van Bellen's Baby says...

Loadofbull70 wrote:
Its good news Richard Lamb is not in it for Odsal or the Bulls ! Shame Koukash deal could not be reached but the Park avenue deal is the best option imo.
To be blunt does anybody outside of the administration process know anything about these respective bids? No, not least because they are probably subject to confidentiality agreements anyway. We are all basing opinions on dodgy photos of the bidders and a few small crumbs from the media table. Speculation about which bidder might be best for the club is hopelessly pointless at this distance.
[quote][p][bold]Loadofbull70[/bold] wrote: Its good news Richard Lamb is not in it for Odsal or the Bulls ! Shame Koukash deal could not be reached but the Park avenue deal is the best option imo.[/p][/quote]To be blunt does anybody outside of the administration process know anything about these respective bids? No, not least because they are probably subject to confidentiality agreements anyway. We are all basing opinions on dodgy photos of the bidders and a few small crumbs from the media table. Speculation about which bidder might be best for the club is hopelessly pointless at this distance. Van Bellen's Baby
  • Score: 6

10:59am Tue 25 Mar 14

Nick Harrison says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Nick Harrison, You can look at the books and finances of all successful business men an d every single one of them will have something against their name.It is just that some are cleverer than others at covering it up.Surely you are not naive enough to think otherwise.Just a thought,has anybody thought of looking into the backgrounds of the men trusted to run RFL.
you cant cover up liquidation or CCJs they are public documents, unless you advocate breaking the law. Sorry, but £133,000 is a lot of money and the poor sods that she hasnt paid will not have the same feelings as you. I have not dug into company affairs and accounts, I have looked at Companies House, they are public records and easy to find. Contracts and liabilities are contracts and she should have honoured them. According to the legal system she didnt, so she dropped the company. If Mr K has all of these millions, why was he not honourable enough to pay the people who were forced into taking legal action. How many others were there who decided not to pursue her. That happens in business every day too. Lets not paint a rosy picture that isnt there. Perhaps it is that the truth hurts. Its easy to slag off OK, and I have and do, but he did exactly the same in his business empire - what is the difference? OK has been berated on this site for doing it! How can such a person pass a fit and proper person test?

Naivety is not an issue, and trust me, I am not naive, but the Bulls needs integrity openness and honesty and not someone with an open track record of not paying people, we have had that and look at the situation we are in
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Nick Harrison, You can look at the books and finances of all successful business men an d every single one of them will have something against their name.It is just that some are cleverer than others at covering it up.Surely you are not naive enough to think otherwise.Just a thought,has anybody thought of looking into the backgrounds of the men trusted to run RFL.[/p][/quote]you cant cover up liquidation or CCJs they are public documents, unless you advocate breaking the law. Sorry, but £133,000 is a lot of money and the poor sods that she hasnt paid will not have the same feelings as you. I have not dug into company affairs and accounts, I have looked at Companies House, they are public records and easy to find. Contracts and liabilities are contracts and she should have honoured them. According to the legal system she didnt, so she dropped the company. If Mr K has all of these millions, why was he not honourable enough to pay the people who were forced into taking legal action. How many others were there who decided not to pursue her. That happens in business every day too. Lets not paint a rosy picture that isnt there. Perhaps it is that the truth hurts. Its easy to slag off OK, and I have and do, but he did exactly the same in his business empire - what is the difference? OK has been berated on this site for doing it! How can such a person pass a fit and proper person test? Naivety is not an issue, and trust me, I am not naive, but the Bulls needs integrity openness and honesty and not someone with an open track record of not paying people, we have had that and look at the situation we are in Nick Harrison
  • Score: 13

11:32am Tue 25 Mar 14

raisemeup says...

Nick Harrison wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Nick Harrison, You can look at the books and finances of all successful business men an d every single one of them will have something against their name.It is just that some are cleverer than others at covering it up.Surely you are not naive enough to think otherwise.Just a thought,has anybody thought of looking into the backgrounds of the men trusted to run RFL.
you cant cover up liquidation or CCJs they are public documents, unless you advocate breaking the law. Sorry, but £133,000 is a lot of money and the poor sods that she hasnt paid will not have the same feelings as you. I have not dug into company affairs and accounts, I have looked at Companies House, they are public records and easy to find. Contracts and liabilities are contracts and she should have honoured them. According to the legal system she didnt, so she dropped the company. If Mr K has all of these millions, why was he not honourable enough to pay the people who were forced into taking legal action. How many others were there who decided not to pursue her. That happens in business every day too. Lets not paint a rosy picture that isnt there. Perhaps it is that the truth hurts. Its easy to slag off OK, and I have and do, but he did exactly the same in his business empire - what is the difference? OK has been berated on this site for doing it! How can such a person pass a fit and proper person test?

Naivety is not an issue, and trust me, I am not naive, but the Bulls needs integrity openness and honesty and not someone with an open track record of not paying people, we have had that and look at the situation we are in
Lets start with an open and honest dialogue with the RFL - they treat our Club and it's Supporters with contempt.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Harrison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Nick Harrison, You can look at the books and finances of all successful business men an d every single one of them will have something against their name.It is just that some are cleverer than others at covering it up.Surely you are not naive enough to think otherwise.Just a thought,has anybody thought of looking into the backgrounds of the men trusted to run RFL.[/p][/quote]you cant cover up liquidation or CCJs they are public documents, unless you advocate breaking the law. Sorry, but £133,000 is a lot of money and the poor sods that she hasnt paid will not have the same feelings as you. I have not dug into company affairs and accounts, I have looked at Companies House, they are public records and easy to find. Contracts and liabilities are contracts and she should have honoured them. According to the legal system she didnt, so she dropped the company. If Mr K has all of these millions, why was he not honourable enough to pay the people who were forced into taking legal action. How many others were there who decided not to pursue her. That happens in business every day too. Lets not paint a rosy picture that isnt there. Perhaps it is that the truth hurts. Its easy to slag off OK, and I have and do, but he did exactly the same in his business empire - what is the difference? OK has been berated on this site for doing it! How can such a person pass a fit and proper person test? Naivety is not an issue, and trust me, I am not naive, but the Bulls needs integrity openness and honesty and not someone with an open track record of not paying people, we have had that and look at the situation we are in[/p][/quote]Lets start with an open and honest dialogue with the RFL - they treat our Club and it's Supporters with contempt. raisemeup
  • Score: -2

11:34am Tue 25 Mar 14

Bowlingboy says...

Van Bellen's Baby wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
Let hope Mandy's bid was the second highest. Can she put in a higher bid now what are the rules?

We will get relegated but so what. At the end of 2015 four SL clubs and four championship clubs battle it out for four SL places. If Mnady can fund a full time squad next season in the championship we have every chance of returning to SL. Use the rest of this season to prepare for 2015 and beyond. Not waste time and money trying to battle the odds and stay up on half the money of everyone else. The RFL want us out. Lets hope Mnady is up to challenge of getting us back in.
The problem is Bradfrodbronco that any talk of the Championship and coming back to Superleague assumes that we will actually make it to the end of this season. As things stand we are heading for closure and I wonder who would purchase a sporting club already in a small pond, certain to be heading for the even smaller backwater of the Championship? Private Frazer from Dad's Army springs to mind this morning
surely Lance corporal Jones?
[quote][p][bold]Van Bellen's Baby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Let hope Mandy's bid was the second highest. Can she put in a higher bid now what are the rules? We will get relegated but so what. At the end of 2015 four SL clubs and four championship clubs battle it out for four SL places. If Mnady can fund a full time squad next season in the championship we have every chance of returning to SL. Use the rest of this season to prepare for 2015 and beyond. Not waste time and money trying to battle the odds and stay up on half the money of everyone else. The RFL want us out. Lets hope Mnady is up to challenge of getting us back in.[/p][/quote]The problem is Bradfrodbronco that any talk of the Championship and coming back to Superleague assumes that we will actually make it to the end of this season. As things stand we are heading for closure and I wonder who would purchase a sporting club already in a small pond, certain to be heading for the even smaller backwater of the Championship? Private Frazer from Dad's Army springs to mind this morning[/p][/quote]surely Lance corporal Jones? Bowlingboy
  • Score: -1

11:35am Tue 25 Mar 14

Videoref says...

StevieLad wrote:
Lots of people on here assuming Administrator and RFL are one and the same?

The RFL want what's best for their sport &, by extension, at least the immediate the future of the Bulls. Hence passing Koukash as fit & proper.

The Administrator must do what's best for the creditors. Hence accepting the higher offer from Lamb (and whichever foreign investor is wearing him like a glove puppet).

Unfortunately for us, the RFL can't just "give" the club to Koukash. Some of the halfwits on here seem to think it's as simple as taking over an allotment.
At the end of the day the only person who is going to benefit from the whole sad saga is the Administrator. He takes his fee BEFORE ANYONE else is paid at whatever percentage is decided. The longer it takes the more he earns-seemples!
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: Lots of people on here assuming Administrator and RFL are one and the same? The RFL want what's best for their sport &, by extension, at least the immediate the future of the Bulls. Hence passing Koukash as fit & proper. The Administrator must do what's best for the creditors. Hence accepting the higher offer from Lamb (and whichever foreign investor is wearing him like a glove puppet). Unfortunately for us, the RFL can't just "give" the club to Koukash. Some of the halfwits on here seem to think it's as simple as taking over an allotment.[/p][/quote]At the end of the day the only person who is going to benefit from the whole sad saga is the Administrator. He takes his fee BEFORE ANYONE else is paid at whatever percentage is decided. The longer it takes the more he earns-seemples! Videoref
  • Score: 8

11:39am Tue 25 Mar 14

axelf1963 says...

oddshapedballs wrote:
axelf1963 wrote:
BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE
Can me and u have a meeting somewhere to discuss this comment a little more. Or are you just going to sit behond your keyboard throwing punches?
Hard man well done your family must be proud
[quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE[/p][/quote]Can me and u have a meeting somewhere to discuss this comment a little more. Or are you just going to sit behond your keyboard throwing punches?[/p][/quote]Hard man well done your family must be proud axelf1963
  • Score: -2

11:47am Tue 25 Mar 14

UP THE BULLS says...

Moore and co had the best interests off the club in mind and made the signings the team needed all be it loans because they couldn't sign players till take over complete but they invested money in to the club even when they didn't own it and they got nothing out of it. They brought in thousands off pounds in sponsorships deals deals like with bradford uni. Was making money from corperate events in the coral. I think these people would have turned the club around if it hadn't been for the rfl messing things up.
Moore and co had the best interests off the club in mind and made the signings the team needed all be it loans because they couldn't sign players till take over complete but they invested money in to the club even when they didn't own it and they got nothing out of it. They brought in thousands off pounds in sponsorships deals deals like with bradford uni. Was making money from corperate events in the coral. I think these people would have turned the club around if it hadn't been for the rfl messing things up. UP THE BULLS
  • Score: -2

12:03pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

raisemeup wrote:
Nick Harrison wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: Nick Harrison, You can look at the books and finances of all successful business men an d every single one of them will have something against their name.It is just that some are cleverer than others at covering it up.Surely you are not naive enough to think otherwise.Just a thought,has anybody thought of looking into the backgrounds of the men trusted to run RFL.
you cant cover up liquidation or CCJs they are public documents, unless you advocate breaking the law. Sorry, but £133,000 is a lot of money and the poor sods that she hasnt paid will not have the same feelings as you. I have not dug into company affairs and accounts, I have looked at Companies House, they are public records and easy to find. Contracts and liabilities are contracts and she should have honoured them. According to the legal system she didnt, so she dropped the company. If Mr K has all of these millions, why was he not honourable enough to pay the people who were forced into taking legal action. How many others were there who decided not to pursue her. That happens in business every day too. Lets not paint a rosy picture that isnt there. Perhaps it is that the truth hurts. Its easy to slag off OK, and I have and do, but he did exactly the same in his business empire - what is the difference? OK has been berated on this site for doing it! How can such a person pass a fit and proper person test? Naivety is not an issue, and trust me, I am not naive, but the Bulls needs integrity openness and honesty and not someone with an open track record of not paying people, we have had that and look at the situation we are in
Lets start with an open and honest dialogue with the RFL - they treat our Club and it's Supporters with contempt.
Raisemeup, who along with many others sang Khans praises from day one still want to find a scapegoat other than those who ran up the massive debts to force HMRC to issue a winding up order and drag the club into admin.

The RFL and the Administrator are two different bodies pulling in two different directions. One to look after the creditors and one to look after the club.

As easy as if it for many on here to say give it to Moore, give it to Lamb, the RFL are making sure the Bulls aren't in the same position as they are now 6 months down the line. You'd think lessons had been learned after the Khan debarcle but no many just want anyone in charge regardless of who it is with the promise everything will be ok.

The RFL are not to blame for this mess, and whilst people turn their attention to the RFL those who caused the mess are sat at home with their feet up, blameless watching the train wreck they created.

The administrator can't put forward Mandy's bid to the RFL until the other higher bids have been checked out first. The RFL passed Mandy fit and proper so they are happy with her, but can't do anything until the administrator puts her bid forward to them after checking the higher bids.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Harrison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Nick Harrison, You can look at the books and finances of all successful business men an d every single one of them will have something against their name.It is just that some are cleverer than others at covering it up.Surely you are not naive enough to think otherwise.Just a thought,has anybody thought of looking into the backgrounds of the men trusted to run RFL.[/p][/quote]you cant cover up liquidation or CCJs they are public documents, unless you advocate breaking the law. Sorry, but £133,000 is a lot of money and the poor sods that she hasnt paid will not have the same feelings as you. I have not dug into company affairs and accounts, I have looked at Companies House, they are public records and easy to find. Contracts and liabilities are contracts and she should have honoured them. According to the legal system she didnt, so she dropped the company. If Mr K has all of these millions, why was he not honourable enough to pay the people who were forced into taking legal action. How many others were there who decided not to pursue her. That happens in business every day too. Lets not paint a rosy picture that isnt there. Perhaps it is that the truth hurts. Its easy to slag off OK, and I have and do, but he did exactly the same in his business empire - what is the difference? OK has been berated on this site for doing it! How can such a person pass a fit and proper person test? Naivety is not an issue, and trust me, I am not naive, but the Bulls needs integrity openness and honesty and not someone with an open track record of not paying people, we have had that and look at the situation we are in[/p][/quote]Lets start with an open and honest dialogue with the RFL - they treat our Club and it's Supporters with contempt.[/p][/quote]Raisemeup, who along with many others sang Khans praises from day one still want to find a scapegoat other than those who ran up the massive debts to force HMRC to issue a winding up order and drag the club into admin. The RFL and the Administrator are two different bodies pulling in two different directions. One to look after the creditors and one to look after the club. As easy as if it for many on here to say give it to Moore, give it to Lamb, the RFL are making sure the Bulls aren't in the same position as they are now 6 months down the line. You'd think lessons had been learned after the Khan debarcle but no many just want anyone in charge regardless of who it is with the promise everything will be ok. The RFL are not to blame for this mess, and whilst people turn their attention to the RFL those who caused the mess are sat at home with their feet up, blameless watching the train wreck they created. The administrator can't put forward Mandy's bid to the RFL until the other higher bids have been checked out first. The RFL passed Mandy fit and proper so they are happy with her, but can't do anything until the administrator puts her bid forward to them after checking the higher bids. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 7

12:07pm Tue 25 Mar 14

nosher says...

Right enough trash on this forum. Let's help ourselves and start a supporters consortium. We need £1 million. I would invest £1000 pound for a life membership. We only need another 999 like minded individuals. So come on less back biting and talking boll***s . power to the people
Right enough trash on this forum. Let's help ourselves and start a supporters consortium. We need £1 million. I would invest £1000 pound for a life membership. We only need another 999 like minded individuals. So come on less back biting and talking boll***s . power to the people nosher
  • Score: 5

12:13pm Tue 25 Mar 14

nowt fresh says...

oddshapedballs wrote:
axelf1963 wrote: Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire. Get down to city
Vp isnt a big enough pitch as a permanent ground. The rfl would chuck us out for that as well! Plus you have moronic football minded ground staff
Massimo Cellino’s takeover rejected by The Football League !! maybe he'll have more luck with the RFL, any port in a storm and all that oddshape
:-)).
[quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire. Get down to city[/p][/quote]Vp isnt a big enough pitch as a permanent ground. The rfl would chuck us out for that as well! Plus you have moronic football minded ground staff[/p][/quote]Massimo Cellino’s takeover rejected by The Football League !! maybe he'll have more luck with the RFL, any port in a storm and all that oddshape :-)). nowt fresh
  • Score: -1

12:23pm Tue 25 Mar 14

hunsworthbull says...

Don't have sky these days. Can anyone tell me if Stevo has made any comments about our predicament.
Don't have sky these days. Can anyone tell me if Stevo has made any comments about our predicament. hunsworthbull
  • Score: -1

12:38pm Tue 25 Mar 14

tuono 59 says...

bit by bit people are realising business is a dirty world and first and foremost all the parties concerned want to make money out of the bulls
bit by bit people are realising business is a dirty world and first and foremost all the parties concerned want to make money out of the bulls tuono 59
  • Score: 1

1:04pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Van Bellen's Baby says...

Bowlingboy wrote:
Van Bellen's Baby wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
Let hope Mandy's bid was the second highest. Can she put in a higher bid now what are the rules?

We will get relegated but so what. At the end of 2015 four SL clubs and four championship clubs battle it out for four SL places. If Mnady can fund a full time squad next season in the championship we have every chance of returning to SL. Use the rest of this season to prepare for 2015 and beyond. Not waste time and money trying to battle the odds and stay up on half the money of everyone else. The RFL want us out. Lets hope Mnady is up to challenge of getting us back in.
The problem is Bradfrodbronco that any talk of the Championship and coming back to Superleague assumes that we will actually make it to the end of this season. As things stand we are heading for closure and I wonder who would purchase a sporting club already in a small pond, certain to be heading for the even smaller backwater of the Championship? Private Frazer from Dad's Army springs to mind this morning
surely Lance corporal Jones?
Yes Jones would be better, at least the message if not the body language ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Bowlingboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Van Bellen's Baby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Let hope Mandy's bid was the second highest. Can she put in a higher bid now what are the rules? We will get relegated but so what. At the end of 2015 four SL clubs and four championship clubs battle it out for four SL places. If Mnady can fund a full time squad next season in the championship we have every chance of returning to SL. Use the rest of this season to prepare for 2015 and beyond. Not waste time and money trying to battle the odds and stay up on half the money of everyone else. The RFL want us out. Lets hope Mnady is up to challenge of getting us back in.[/p][/quote]The problem is Bradfrodbronco that any talk of the Championship and coming back to Superleague assumes that we will actually make it to the end of this season. As things stand we are heading for closure and I wonder who would purchase a sporting club already in a small pond, certain to be heading for the even smaller backwater of the Championship? Private Frazer from Dad's Army springs to mind this morning[/p][/quote]surely Lance corporal Jones?[/p][/quote]Yes Jones would be better, at least the message if not the body language ;-) Van Bellen's Baby
  • Score: 3

1:06pm Tue 25 Mar 14

flashdonut says...

axelf1963 wrote:
Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire.
Get down to city
Why blame the RFL indeed. Obviously they are making sure the bids are OK. OK, that rings a bell. He was vetted by the RFL. As was Moore and co. Those surrender monkeys waved the white flag as soon as we got oints dedution. A bunch of French men in disguise.
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[quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire. Get down to city[/p][/quote]Why blame the RFL indeed. Obviously they are making sure the bids are OK. OK, that rings a bell. He was vetted by the RFL. As was Moore and co. Those surrender monkeys waved the white flag as soon as we got oints dedution. A bunch of French men in disguise. . flashdonut
  • Score: 4

1:08pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cleckbull says...

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
Sad bull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.
These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly.

Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men.

Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls.

All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell.

Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame.

The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw.

The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.
" Moore and co trying to buy the club with its own money " was a swipe at Moore by Ralph Rimmer in retaliation to Moore's scathing statement when they withdrew their offer.

The bid to buy OK Bulls came from Bradford Bulls 2014 which is a company registered to and owned by Moore and his co directors and nobody else.

" the clubs money " to use Rimmer's words was Bradford Bulls 2014' s money, put in by Moore and co so I don't see the problem with it. If I own a company and want to buy another company I am going to use the companies money not my own. That is what they were doing from what I can tell.

People are also confusing buying the club with running the club which are two very different things. Of course they needed to buy the club with their money, but like all businesses it would be run on its cash flow if it is successful, by which I mean run properly. Every business is run in this way. Normally when you invest in a business which is run properly, you don't have to keep on investing.

This was just a red herring and sour grapes from Rimmer. Nothing else.

I think, had the RFL been willing to negotiate on the special measures issue, which was clearly the deal breaker, we would be in a much better place today than we are and I am pretty sure the Bulls would have made it to the end of the season, when things would have improved significantly from a financial point of view. That is all Moore and Co were trying to do.

As others have said positive things were happening at the Bulls and the Coral stand was generating significant money for the first time in years.
There was a real buzz about the place, even at the pre-season friendlies.

The atmosphere at the last home match was dreadful and the Coral stand almost empty. It will take more than money to turn this around.

Can somebody please sort this out as every day my beloved Bulls is just getting weaker and needs intensive care.
Moore and co. were 100% bad for the club

If you think otherwise I suggest you consider sectioning yourself under the mental health act!
I trust you are adding this comment whilst sitting in a mental home.
Moore, Calvert and Watt worked tirelessly for the clubs benefit.
Dim wits like you haven't got a clue
[quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.[/p][/quote]These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.[/p][/quote]" Moore and co trying to buy the club with its own money " was a swipe at Moore by Ralph Rimmer in retaliation to Moore's scathing statement when they withdrew their offer. The bid to buy OK Bulls came from Bradford Bulls 2014 which is a company registered to and owned by Moore and his co directors and nobody else. " the clubs money " to use Rimmer's words was Bradford Bulls 2014' s money, put in by Moore and co so I don't see the problem with it. If I own a company and want to buy another company I am going to use the companies money not my own. That is what they were doing from what I can tell. People are also confusing buying the club with running the club which are two very different things. Of course they needed to buy the club with their money, but like all businesses it would be run on its cash flow if it is successful, by which I mean run properly. Every business is run in this way. Normally when you invest in a business which is run properly, you don't have to keep on investing. This was just a red herring and sour grapes from Rimmer. Nothing else. I think, had the RFL been willing to negotiate on the special measures issue, which was clearly the deal breaker, we would be in a much better place today than we are and I am pretty sure the Bulls would have made it to the end of the season, when things would have improved significantly from a financial point of view. That is all Moore and Co were trying to do. As others have said positive things were happening at the Bulls and the Coral stand was generating significant money for the first time in years. There was a real buzz about the place, even at the pre-season friendlies. The atmosphere at the last home match was dreadful and the Coral stand almost empty. It will take more than money to turn this around. Can somebody please sort this out as every day my beloved Bulls is just getting weaker and needs intensive care.[/p][/quote]Moore and co. were 100% bad for the club If you think otherwise I suggest you consider sectioning yourself under the mental health act![/p][/quote]I trust you are adding this comment whilst sitting in a mental home. Moore, Calvert and Watt worked tirelessly for the clubs benefit. Dim wits like you haven't got a clue cleckbull
  • Score: 0

1:10pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Van Bellen's Baby says...

nosher wrote:
Right enough trash on this forum. Let's help ourselves and start a supporters consortium. We need £1 million. I would invest £1000 pound for a life membership. We only need another 999 like minded individuals. So come on less back biting and talking boll***s . power to the people
Nosher has a point. Other sporting establishments are owned and run by the fans, some Bundesliga teams and, of course that small sporting club FC Barcelona. Shares issued and funds retained in a safe (ESCROW?) arrangement in case it doesn't come off???
[quote][p][bold]nosher[/bold] wrote: Right enough trash on this forum. Let's help ourselves and start a supporters consortium. We need £1 million. I would invest £1000 pound for a life membership. We only need another 999 like minded individuals. So come on less back biting and talking boll***s . power to the people[/p][/quote]Nosher has a point. Other sporting establishments are owned and run by the fans, some Bundesliga teams and, of course that small sporting club FC Barcelona. Shares issued and funds retained in a safe (ESCROW?) arrangement in case it doesn't come off??? Van Bellen's Baby
  • Score: 0

1:14pm Tue 25 Mar 14

raisemeup says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.
These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly.

Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men.

Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls.

All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell.

Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame.

The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw.

The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.
Is there ever a time when we get some sensible debate from you two>
Mecca and TVOR that is.

Scaremongering tactics is all you seem to live by? Those figures quoted are largely the province of a regime that is now in administration and as for the RFL loan of an unknown sum of £1m, if it's unknown how would Mecca know it?
Someone else has the temerity to suggest that I support the others who have tried in vain to support and re build our club. Yes you are right and there is a good reason for that, the options to survive without them were exactly as we find ourselves faced with at this moment, oblivion!
If faced with that prospect, collectively al l our true supporters, supported anyone who could stave off that situation, and many gave up their time and efforts for FREE by volunteering at the Bulls to try and make sure we had a club to support. The RFL are seen as the stumbling block, why is that, I don't here you saying??? Because they have blocked every scenario in this sorry saga, that gave us a chance of survival. Even to the extent that a prospective owner consortium instigated court action against them? Not the sort of publicity they would have wanted, I'm sure. Other prospective buyers have been contemptuously ignored, according to reports from MK and the others. Richard Lamb has complained that they moved the goal posts at the eleventh hour..or implies it by the 30 odd hours he has to prove he can back up the deal with £1 or £2m...no reason for giving him those figures and they appear not to know the exact amount. Is it £1 or £2 million?

So yes I backed Omar Khan, and Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, and Ian Watt, because they were prepared to do something, whilst the armchair pundits could only criticise and attempt to score points whilst a great institution is brought to it's knees by mismanagement and the self interest of the RL council and it's governance.

You do realise that once a patient is dead, the only thing left is the post-mortem, our supporters don't wish to know why we died, we only wish to know how we can survive.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.[/p][/quote]These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.[/p][/quote]Is there ever a time when we get some sensible debate from you two> Mecca and TVOR that is. Scaremongering tactics is all you seem to live by? Those figures quoted are largely the province of a regime that is now in administration and as for the RFL loan of an unknown sum of £1m, if it's unknown how would Mecca know it? Someone else has the temerity to suggest that I support the others who have tried in vain to support and re build our club. Yes you are right and there is a good reason for that, the options to survive without them were exactly as we find ourselves faced with at this moment, oblivion! If faced with that prospect, collectively al l our true supporters, supported anyone who could stave off that situation, and many gave up their time and efforts for FREE by volunteering at the Bulls to try and make sure we had a club to support. The RFL are seen as the stumbling block, why is that, I don't here you saying??? Because they have blocked every scenario in this sorry saga, that gave us a chance of survival. Even to the extent that a prospective owner consortium instigated court action against them? Not the sort of publicity they would have wanted, I'm sure. Other prospective buyers have been contemptuously ignored, according to reports from MK and the others. Richard Lamb has complained that they moved the goal posts at the eleventh hour..or implies it by the 30 odd hours he has to prove he can back up the deal with £1 or £2m...no reason for giving him those figures and they appear not to know the exact amount. Is it £1 or £2 million? So yes I backed Omar Khan, and Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, and Ian Watt, because they were prepared to do something, whilst the armchair pundits could only criticise and attempt to score points whilst a great institution is brought to it's knees by mismanagement and the self interest of the RL council and it's governance. You do realise that once a patient is dead, the only thing left is the post-mortem, our supporters don't wish to know why we died, we only wish to know how we can survive. raisemeup
  • Score: -2

1:34pm Tue 25 Mar 14

northern pig says...

If it were not so serious, it could be a rework of a Shakespearean play.Bulls as the Merchant of Venice and The RFL as Shylock, wanting their pound of flesh for services rendered.While the chancers and fraudsters who have through ineptitude,mismanage
ment and plain stupiidity run the club into the ground over the last few years. Watch the drama unfold from the 'cheap' seats.
If it were not so serious, it could be a rework of a Shakespearean play.Bulls as the Merchant of Venice and The RFL as Shylock, wanting their pound of flesh for services rendered.While the chancers and fraudsters who have through ineptitude,mismanage ment and plain stupiidity run the club into the ground over the last few years. Watch the drama unfold from the 'cheap' seats. northern pig
  • Score: 3

1:37pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Reading Bullette says...

Andybulls wrote:
So the RFL have finally said it will need £1m to run the club for the rest of this season. Let's all be clear that Mr Moore, Green, Lamb and the rest don't have it. Mrs Koukash would be the only person with that sort of money, but the Administrator hasn't officially told her that her bid was unsuccessful!
The RFL is run by people who could not run a business and they are preventing the Bulls from having a fighting chance of staying up by delaying the decision.
Let's not forget about the Administrator because we will have to pay him and if you can remember Guilfoyle took over £250,000 out of the business, is that included in the £1m?
Rugby League is going downing the pan and it's ruin is being overseen by people who appear to know nothing about running a business. Their Commercial Director resigned yesterday and the Marketing Director only recently.
We need a revolution and this could be the start, Come on Mrs Koukash save the Bulls!!
How do you know that Mrs Koukash has not been informed. That's contrary to what she put out on Twitter after her visit to Odsal. She knew then. Don't believe everything these spouters put out on Twitter. It's all about self interest.
[quote][p][bold]Andybulls[/bold] wrote: So the RFL have finally said it will need £1m to run the club for the rest of this season. Let's all be clear that Mr Moore, Green, Lamb and the rest don't have it. Mrs Koukash would be the only person with that sort of money, but the Administrator hasn't officially told her that her bid was unsuccessful! The RFL is run by people who could not run a business and they are preventing the Bulls from having a fighting chance of staying up by delaying the decision. Let's not forget about the Administrator because we will have to pay him and if you can remember Guilfoyle took over £250,000 out of the business, is that included in the £1m? Rugby League is going downing the pan and it's ruin is being overseen by people who appear to know nothing about running a business. Their Commercial Director resigned yesterday and the Marketing Director only recently. We need a revolution and this could be the start, Come on Mrs Koukash save the Bulls!![/p][/quote]How do you know that Mrs Koukash has not been informed. That's contrary to what she put out on Twitter after her visit to Odsal. She knew then. Don't believe everything these spouters put out on Twitter. It's all about self interest. Reading Bullette
  • Score: 6

1:39pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

northern pig wrote:
Claytonbull wrote:
What is really going on here ? How can the RFL put a timeline of less than 34 hours for them to show they had a million pounds in the bank . How stupid if you had that kind of money it's going to be spread out all over the place not stuffed under the mattress at home. So were now back to square one and it looks like no one will be able to buy the club unless they've got a spare million pounds . But wait if bradford park avenue but it the bulls move to horsfall stadium ideal for championship rugby and the RFL get to sell odsal with all the land to the highest bidder big profit for them ?? It does make you wonder doesn't it ? I didn't realise we were hated so much by the rest of the rugby league community maybe it's time to throw in the towel .
The RFL do not own Odsal ,they have stadium lease to use it as a sports venue.The land is owned by Bradford Council.
Yes that's true and is the lease for just for a sporting purpose only?
If that was say a 999 year lease then it would be useless to Lamb so he would have to buy the site from the council to build on it.
To me a Bob Blackburn bid would only help BPA for their own reason.

BPA (if they ever made the football league) are too up themselves to talk to City.
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claytonbull[/bold] wrote: What is really going on here ? How can the RFL put a timeline of less than 34 hours for them to show they had a million pounds in the bank . How stupid if you had that kind of money it's going to be spread out all over the place not stuffed under the mattress at home. So were now back to square one and it looks like no one will be able to buy the club unless they've got a spare million pounds . But wait if bradford park avenue but it the bulls move to horsfall stadium ideal for championship rugby and the RFL get to sell odsal with all the land to the highest bidder big profit for them ?? It does make you wonder doesn't it ? I didn't realise we were hated so much by the rest of the rugby league community maybe it's time to throw in the towel .[/p][/quote]The RFL do not own Odsal ,they have stadium lease to use it as a sports venue.The land is owned by Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]Yes that's true and is the lease for just for a sporting purpose only? If that was say a 999 year lease then it would be useless to Lamb so he would have to buy the site from the council to build on it. To me a Bob Blackburn bid would only help BPA for their own reason. BPA (if they ever made the football league) are too up themselves to talk to City. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -2

1:44pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

oddshapedballs wrote:
axelf1963 wrote:
Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire.
Get down to city
Vp isnt a big enough pitch as a permanent ground. The rfl would chuck us out for that as well!
Plus you have moronic football minded ground staff
Talk about biting the hand that feeds potentially. Even though City haven't heard anything, with the way this circus is going they might just up with the Bulls but who is the ring master then?
[quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire. Get down to city[/p][/quote]Vp isnt a big enough pitch as a permanent ground. The rfl would chuck us out for that as well! Plus you have moronic football minded ground staff[/p][/quote]Talk about biting the hand that feeds potentially. Even though City haven't heard anything, with the way this circus is going they might just up with the Bulls but who is the ring master then? Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 2

1:52pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

raisemeup wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.
These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.
Is there ever a time when we get some sensible debate from you two> Mecca and TVOR that is. Scaremongering tactics is all you seem to live by? Those figures quoted are largely the province of a regime that is now in administration and as for the RFL loan of an unknown sum of £1m, if it's unknown how would Mecca know it? Someone else has the temerity to suggest that I support the others who have tried in vain to support and re build our club. Yes you are right and there is a good reason for that, the options to survive without them were exactly as we find ourselves faced with at this moment, oblivion! If faced with that prospect, collectively al l our true supporters, supported anyone who could stave off that situation, and many gave up their time and efforts for FREE by volunteering at the Bulls to try and make sure we had a club to support. The RFL are seen as the stumbling block, why is that, I don't here you saying??? Because they have blocked every scenario in this sorry saga, that gave us a chance of survival. Even to the extent that a prospective owner consortium instigated court action against them? Not the sort of publicity they would have wanted, I'm sure. Other prospective buyers have been contemptuously ignored, according to reports from MK and the others. Richard Lamb has complained that they moved the goal posts at the eleventh hour..or implies it by the 30 odd hours he has to prove he can back up the deal with £1 or £2m...no reason for giving him those figures and they appear not to know the exact amount. Is it £1 or £2 million? So yes I backed Omar Khan, and Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, and Ian Watt, because they were prepared to do something, whilst the armchair pundits could only criticise and attempt to score points whilst a great institution is brought to it's knees by mismanagement and the self interest of the RL council and it's governance. You do realise that once a patient is dead, the only thing left is the post-mortem, our supporters don't wish to know why we died, we only wish to know how we can survive.
Still the RFL's fault. I add to the debate, I talk about what is put before me, you simply say what you think people want to hear.

We know the debt quoted by the administor is £1.5m so however that breakdown works out, be it £10k to the RFL or £600k it doesn't matter because the total debt is in the region of £1.5m that is fact.

Whats to scaremonger? The club is face to face with death. Do you want me to whisper sweet nothings and tell you all is ok, the Bulls will win 20 games in a row and be in the challenge cup final. I'm saying it how it is, it's dire.

If Lamb can't provide proof of funding with a lame excuse of the guy is on holiday or the foreign bank doesn't open on Wednesdays should the RFL just say ok then, we can't wait that long here is the club enjoy.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.[/p][/quote]These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.[/p][/quote]Is there ever a time when we get some sensible debate from you two> Mecca and TVOR that is. Scaremongering tactics is all you seem to live by? Those figures quoted are largely the province of a regime that is now in administration and as for the RFL loan of an unknown sum of £1m, if it's unknown how would Mecca know it? Someone else has the temerity to suggest that I support the others who have tried in vain to support and re build our club. Yes you are right and there is a good reason for that, the options to survive without them were exactly as we find ourselves faced with at this moment, oblivion! If faced with that prospect, collectively al l our true supporters, supported anyone who could stave off that situation, and many gave up their time and efforts for FREE by volunteering at the Bulls to try and make sure we had a club to support. The RFL are seen as the stumbling block, why is that, I don't here you saying??? Because they have blocked every scenario in this sorry saga, that gave us a chance of survival. Even to the extent that a prospective owner consortium instigated court action against them? Not the sort of publicity they would have wanted, I'm sure. Other prospective buyers have been contemptuously ignored, according to reports from MK and the others. Richard Lamb has complained that they moved the goal posts at the eleventh hour..or implies it by the 30 odd hours he has to prove he can back up the deal with £1 or £2m...no reason for giving him those figures and they appear not to know the exact amount. Is it £1 or £2 million? So yes I backed Omar Khan, and Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, and Ian Watt, because they were prepared to do something, whilst the armchair pundits could only criticise and attempt to score points whilst a great institution is brought to it's knees by mismanagement and the self interest of the RL council and it's governance. You do realise that once a patient is dead, the only thing left is the post-mortem, our supporters don't wish to know why we died, we only wish to know how we can survive.[/p][/quote]Still the RFL's fault. I add to the debate, I talk about what is put before me, you simply say what you think people want to hear. We know the debt quoted by the administor is £1.5m so however that breakdown works out, be it £10k to the RFL or £600k it doesn't matter because the total debt is in the region of £1.5m that is fact. Whats to scaremonger? The club is face to face with death. Do you want me to whisper sweet nothings and tell you all is ok, the Bulls will win 20 games in a row and be in the challenge cup final. I'm saying it how it is, it's dire. If Lamb can't provide proof of funding with a lame excuse of the guy is on holiday or the foreign bank doesn't open on Wednesdays should the RFL just say ok then, we can't wait that long here is the club enjoy. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 2

1:53pm Tue 25 Mar 14

billybobbull says...

StevieLad wrote:
Lots of people on here assuming Administrator and RFL are one and the same?

The RFL want what's best for their sport &, by extension, at least the immediate the future of the Bulls. Hence passing Koukash as fit & proper.

The Administrator must do what's best for the creditors. Hence accepting the higher offer from Lamb (and whichever foreign investor is wearing him like a glove puppet).

Unfortunately for us, the RFL can't just "give" the club to Koukash. Some of the halfwits on here seem to think it's as simple as taking over an allotment.
Absolutely correct.
Hopefully the Administrator realises that what is best for the creditors is a sustainable club, with financial backing long term. Not as someone put it on 'two bit Charlies'. The RFL should obviously be briefing Mr Wilson on that.

The lease is a big deal though. I presume that long term the RFL want rid of it and obviously an owner that could afford to buy it back, would have funds and then potentially something to borrow against (or build) on long term).
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: Lots of people on here assuming Administrator and RFL are one and the same? The RFL want what's best for their sport &, by extension, at least the immediate the future of the Bulls. Hence passing Koukash as fit & proper. The Administrator must do what's best for the creditors. Hence accepting the higher offer from Lamb (and whichever foreign investor is wearing him like a glove puppet). Unfortunately for us, the RFL can't just "give" the club to Koukash. Some of the halfwits on here seem to think it's as simple as taking over an allotment.[/p][/quote]Absolutely correct. Hopefully the Administrator realises that what is best for the creditors is a sustainable club, with financial backing long term. Not as someone put it on 'two bit Charlies'. The RFL should obviously be briefing Mr Wilson on that. The lease is a big deal though. I presume that long term the RFL want rid of it and obviously an owner that could afford to buy it back, would have funds and then potentially something to borrow against (or build) on long term). billybobbull
  • Score: 1

2:07pm Tue 25 Mar 14

MeccaBingo1 says...

raisemeup wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.
These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly.

Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men.

Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls.

All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell.

Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame.

The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw.

The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.
Is there ever a time when we get some sensible debate from you two>
Mecca and TVOR that is.

Scaremongering tactics is all you seem to live by? Those figures quoted are largely the province of a regime that is now in administration and as for the RFL loan of an unknown sum of £1m, if it's unknown how would Mecca know it?
Someone else has the temerity to suggest that I support the others who have tried in vain to support and re build our club. Yes you are right and there is a good reason for that, the options to survive without them were exactly as we find ourselves faced with at this moment, oblivion!
If faced with that prospect, collectively al l our true supporters, supported anyone who could stave off that situation, and many gave up their time and efforts for FREE by volunteering at the Bulls to try and make sure we had a club to support. The RFL are seen as the stumbling block, why is that, I don't here you saying??? Because they have blocked every scenario in this sorry saga, that gave us a chance of survival. Even to the extent that a prospective owner consortium instigated court action against them? Not the sort of publicity they would have wanted, I'm sure. Other prospective buyers have been contemptuously ignored, according to reports from MK and the others. Richard Lamb has complained that they moved the goal posts at the eleventh hour..or implies it by the 30 odd hours he has to prove he can back up the deal with £1 or £2m...no reason for giving him those figures and they appear not to know the exact amount. Is it £1 or £2 million?

So yes I backed Omar Khan, and Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, and Ian Watt, because they were prepared to do something, whilst the armchair pundits could only criticise and attempt to score points whilst a great institution is brought to it's knees by mismanagement and the self interest of the RL council and it's governance.

You do realise that once a patient is dead, the only thing left is the post-mortem, our supporters don't wish to know why we died, we only wish to know how we can survive.
raisemeup

Please check all my posts from the past, most have come true!

For your information I was involved with the club when run by Hood and gave my time FOC.

The truth hurts sometimes, and looking back at your posts you’re not in a position to have a pop at me.

Hood - Lied to fans and took money from them.

Khan/Sutcliffe - I never trusted (ill Health my arse)..

Moore & Co. - No Money, so was never going to work

Answer? Wish I knew, but its not Lamb!
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.[/p][/quote]These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.[/p][/quote]Is there ever a time when we get some sensible debate from you two> Mecca and TVOR that is. Scaremongering tactics is all you seem to live by? Those figures quoted are largely the province of a regime that is now in administration and as for the RFL loan of an unknown sum of £1m, if it's unknown how would Mecca know it? Someone else has the temerity to suggest that I support the others who have tried in vain to support and re build our club. Yes you are right and there is a good reason for that, the options to survive without them were exactly as we find ourselves faced with at this moment, oblivion! If faced with that prospect, collectively al l our true supporters, supported anyone who could stave off that situation, and many gave up their time and efforts for FREE by volunteering at the Bulls to try and make sure we had a club to support. The RFL are seen as the stumbling block, why is that, I don't here you saying??? Because they have blocked every scenario in this sorry saga, that gave us a chance of survival. Even to the extent that a prospective owner consortium instigated court action against them? Not the sort of publicity they would have wanted, I'm sure. Other prospective buyers have been contemptuously ignored, according to reports from MK and the others. Richard Lamb has complained that they moved the goal posts at the eleventh hour..or implies it by the 30 odd hours he has to prove he can back up the deal with £1 or £2m...no reason for giving him those figures and they appear not to know the exact amount. Is it £1 or £2 million? So yes I backed Omar Khan, and Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, and Ian Watt, because they were prepared to do something, whilst the armchair pundits could only criticise and attempt to score points whilst a great institution is brought to it's knees by mismanagement and the self interest of the RL council and it's governance. You do realise that once a patient is dead, the only thing left is the post-mortem, our supporters don't wish to know why we died, we only wish to know how we can survive.[/p][/quote]raisemeup Please check all my posts from the past, most have come true! For your information I was involved with the club when run by Hood and gave my time FOC. The truth hurts sometimes, and looking back at your posts you’re not in a position to have a pop at me. Hood - Lied to fans and took money from them. Khan/Sutcliffe - I never trusted (ill Health my arse).. Moore & Co. - No Money, so was never going to work Answer? Wish I knew, but its not Lamb! MeccaBingo1
  • Score: 4

2:18pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Ok do the Doc bought Salford a bit over a year or so? Well he was accepted for them so why didn't he transfer Salford to her and he get the Bulls?
They can't really day he's not a fit and proper person can they?

Also l can tell that a few of you giffers on here see Mandy as fit, ha ha rumbled. Mind you she'd be good for media reports seeing her than the standard issue blokes we see in the press.

I still think my idea would work. The council buy and give City Valley Parade, and extend it by compulsary buying some of the houses behind the Bradford end and building a decent stand. Then using Odsal as a tip with discounted tipping for builders in Bradford only and msking it cheaper to build houses they need in a few years. Then when Odsal has settled they can biukd on that and be quids in.
Both sports have a superb stadium and excellent corporate facilities. The main banqueting suite alone holds 950 seated and there are others. Even a chairmans suite for ultimate entertaining.
At least you would be warmer in the cold months.
Ok do the Doc bought Salford a bit over a year or so? Well he was accepted for them so why didn't he transfer Salford to her and he get the Bulls? They can't really day he's not a fit and proper person can they? Also l can tell that a few of you giffers on here see Mandy as fit, ha ha rumbled. Mind you she'd be good for media reports seeing her than the standard issue blokes we see in the press. I still think my idea would work. The council buy and give City Valley Parade, and extend it by compulsary buying some of the houses behind the Bradford end and building a decent stand. Then using Odsal as a tip with discounted tipping for builders in Bradford only and msking it cheaper to build houses they need in a few years. Then when Odsal has settled they can biukd on that and be quids in. Both sports have a superb stadium and excellent corporate facilities. The main banqueting suite alone holds 950 seated and there are others. Even a chairmans suite for ultimate entertaining. At least you would be warmer in the cold months. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 3

2:30pm Tue 25 Mar 14

tyker2 says...

looks like it is back to square one
looks like it is back to square one tyker2
  • Score: 3

2:33pm Tue 25 Mar 14

tyker2 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
oddshapedballs wrote:
axelf1963 wrote: Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire. Get down to city
Vp isnt a big enough pitch as a permanent ground. The rfl would chuck us out for that as well! Plus you have moronic football minded ground staff
'Moronic football minded ground staff'

Of all the reasons I've heard on here for not moving to VP this is easily the best so far.
relegation beckons so do not want a championship club at our venue: you could not afford the rent.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire. Get down to city[/p][/quote]Vp isnt a big enough pitch as a permanent ground. The rfl would chuck us out for that as well! Plus you have moronic football minded ground staff[/p][/quote]'Moronic football minded ground staff' Of all the reasons I've heard on here for not moving to VP this is easily the best so far.[/p][/quote]relegation beckons so do not want a championship club at our venue: you could not afford the rent. tyker2
  • Score: 2

2:51pm Tue 25 Mar 14

axelf1963 says...

WHERE IS VIKING ?

We're in the money ,
We've got no buyers,
What a joke of a club we really are.
WHERE IS VIKING ? We're in the money , We've got no buyers, What a joke of a club we really are. axelf1963
  • Score: -3

3:00pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.
These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.
Is there ever a time when we get some sensible debate from you two> Mecca and TVOR that is. Scaremongering tactics is all you seem to live by? Those figures quoted are largely the province of a regime that is now in administration and as for the RFL loan of an unknown sum of £1m, if it's unknown how would Mecca know it? Someone else has the temerity to suggest that I support the others who have tried in vain to support and re build our club. Yes you are right and there is a good reason for that, the options to survive without them were exactly as we find ourselves faced with at this moment, oblivion! If faced with that prospect, collectively al l our true supporters, supported anyone who could stave off that situation, and many gave up their time and efforts for FREE by volunteering at the Bulls to try and make sure we had a club to support. The RFL are seen as the stumbling block, why is that, I don't here you saying??? Because they have blocked every scenario in this sorry saga, that gave us a chance of survival. Even to the extent that a prospective owner consortium instigated court action against them? Not the sort of publicity they would have wanted, I'm sure. Other prospective buyers have been contemptuously ignored, according to reports from MK and the others. Richard Lamb has complained that they moved the goal posts at the eleventh hour..or implies it by the 30 odd hours he has to prove he can back up the deal with £1 or £2m...no reason for giving him those figures and they appear not to know the exact amount. Is it £1 or £2 million? So yes I backed Omar Khan, and Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, and Ian Watt, because they were prepared to do something, whilst the armchair pundits could only criticise and attempt to score points whilst a great institution is brought to it's knees by mismanagement and the self interest of the RL council and it's governance. You do realise that once a patient is dead, the only thing left is the post-mortem, our supporters don't wish to know why we died, we only wish to know how we can survive.
Still the RFL's fault. I add to the debate, I talk about what is put before me, you simply say what you think people want to hear. We know the debt quoted by the administor is £1.5m so however that breakdown works out, be it £10k to the RFL or £600k it doesn't matter because the total debt is in the region of £1.5m that is fact. Whats to scaremonger? The club is face to face with death. Do you want me to whisper sweet nothings and tell you all is ok, the Bulls will win 20 games in a row and be in the challenge cup final. I'm saying it how it is, it's dire. If Lamb can't provide proof of funding with a lame excuse of the guy is on holiday or the foreign bank doesn't open on Wednesdays should the RFL just say ok then, we can't wait that long here is the club enjoy.
I don't think you are going to win this one TVOR. He's told himself so many times that it's all the RFL's fault that he won't listen to anything that suggests otherwise.
Its as if he thinks the RFL keep preventing cash rich saviours from becoming owners because of some personal vendetta against the Bulls. Delusional.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.[/p][/quote]These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.[/p][/quote]Is there ever a time when we get some sensible debate from you two> Mecca and TVOR that is. Scaremongering tactics is all you seem to live by? Those figures quoted are largely the province of a regime that is now in administration and as for the RFL loan of an unknown sum of £1m, if it's unknown how would Mecca know it? Someone else has the temerity to suggest that I support the others who have tried in vain to support and re build our club. Yes you are right and there is a good reason for that, the options to survive without them were exactly as we find ourselves faced with at this moment, oblivion! If faced with that prospect, collectively al l our true supporters, supported anyone who could stave off that situation, and many gave up their time and efforts for FREE by volunteering at the Bulls to try and make sure we had a club to support. The RFL are seen as the stumbling block, why is that, I don't here you saying??? Because they have blocked every scenario in this sorry saga, that gave us a chance of survival. Even to the extent that a prospective owner consortium instigated court action against them? Not the sort of publicity they would have wanted, I'm sure. Other prospective buyers have been contemptuously ignored, according to reports from MK and the others. Richard Lamb has complained that they moved the goal posts at the eleventh hour..or implies it by the 30 odd hours he has to prove he can back up the deal with £1 or £2m...no reason for giving him those figures and they appear not to know the exact amount. Is it £1 or £2 million? So yes I backed Omar Khan, and Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, and Ian Watt, because they were prepared to do something, whilst the armchair pundits could only criticise and attempt to score points whilst a great institution is brought to it's knees by mismanagement and the self interest of the RL council and it's governance. You do realise that once a patient is dead, the only thing left is the post-mortem, our supporters don't wish to know why we died, we only wish to know how we can survive.[/p][/quote]Still the RFL's fault. I add to the debate, I talk about what is put before me, you simply say what you think people want to hear. We know the debt quoted by the administor is £1.5m so however that breakdown works out, be it £10k to the RFL or £600k it doesn't matter because the total debt is in the region of £1.5m that is fact. Whats to scaremonger? The club is face to face with death. Do you want me to whisper sweet nothings and tell you all is ok, the Bulls will win 20 games in a row and be in the challenge cup final. I'm saying it how it is, it's dire. If Lamb can't provide proof of funding with a lame excuse of the guy is on holiday or the foreign bank doesn't open on Wednesdays should the RFL just say ok then, we can't wait that long here is the club enjoy.[/p][/quote]I don't think you are going to win this one TVOR. He's told himself so many times that it's all the RFL's fault that he won't listen to anything that suggests otherwise. Its as if he thinks the RFL keep preventing cash rich saviours from becoming owners because of some personal vendetta against the Bulls. Delusional. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 2

3:14pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Van Bellen's Baby says...

Andy2010 wrote:
To be fair you cant blame the the RFL asking for proof of funds at this stage. With the previous Bull's owner history they just want to look what is best for the club.

Sorry but if Lamb was even serious about this and being a "clued" up businessman he should have known the deal could not have been completed until funds were proven as is the case with all business deals of this nature. Most competent businessman would have this proof already as part of their bid process. Lamb was just another chancer and although not having an owner isnt ideal they are better off without this one
Yes but according to the man himself he did provide proof a fortnight ago and the RFL asked for proof again, with a 24 hour deadline last Thurs/Friday so it's difficult to know who's at fault here.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: To be fair you cant blame the the RFL asking for proof of funds at this stage. With the previous Bull's owner history they just want to look what is best for the club. Sorry but if Lamb was even serious about this and being a "clued" up businessman he should have known the deal could not have been completed until funds were proven as is the case with all business deals of this nature. Most competent businessman would have this proof already as part of their bid process. Lamb was just another chancer and although not having an owner isnt ideal they are better off without this one[/p][/quote]Yes but according to the man himself he did provide proof a fortnight ago and the RFL asked for proof again, with a 24 hour deadline last Thurs/Friday so it's difficult to know who's at fault here. Van Bellen's Baby
  • Score: -3

3:14pm Tue 25 Mar 14

nosher says...

nosher wrote:
Right enough trash on this forum. Let's help ourselves and start a supporters consortium. We need £1 million. I would invest £1000 pound for a life membership. We only need another 999 like minded individuals. So come on less back biting and talking boll***s . power to the people
Just as I thought. Spineless whingers lol. One of the only sensible posters on here was pricey. What happened to him
[quote][p][bold]nosher[/bold] wrote: Right enough trash on this forum. Let's help ourselves and start a supporters consortium. We need £1 million. I would invest £1000 pound for a life membership. We only need another 999 like minded individuals. So come on less back biting and talking boll***s . power to the people[/p][/quote]Just as I thought. Spineless whingers lol. One of the only sensible posters on here was pricey. What happened to him nosher
  • Score: 1

3:15pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Bowlingboy says...

Breaking news.......Between the administrator and the RFL thy couldn't organise a pi$$ up in a brewery!
Breaking news.......Between the administrator and the RFL thy couldn't organise a pi$$ up in a brewery! Bowlingboy
  • Score: -1

3:17pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Sad bull says...

tuono 59 wrote:
bit by bit people are realising business is a dirty world and first and foremost all the parties concerned want to make money out of the bulls
If they do they are living in a fantasy world.

How many Superleague clubs make money ?

one or two and if gates keep sliding it will soon be none !
[quote][p][bold]tuono 59[/bold] wrote: bit by bit people are realising business is a dirty world and first and foremost all the parties concerned want to make money out of the bulls[/p][/quote]If they do they are living in a fantasy world. How many Superleague clubs make money ? one or two and if gates keep sliding it will soon be none ! Sad bull
  • Score: -1

3:31pm Tue 25 Mar 14

portugalbull says...

Back to square 1, so where do we go from here.
Only certainty is the administrator will be rubbing his hands at all the extra thousands he will make.
Perhaps he could earn some of that and get some of the bidders together?
BPA to play at Odsal, Moore and co to run the rugby, with Mandy to invest.
Who knows that may even get the approval of the amateurs at Redhall?
Won't happen,neither will papasmurffs , as there too practical.
Back to square 1, so where do we go from here. Only certainty is the administrator will be rubbing his hands at all the extra thousands he will make. Perhaps he could earn some of that and get some of the bidders together? BPA to play at Odsal, Moore and co to run the rugby, with Mandy to invest. Who knows that may even get the approval of the amateurs at Redhall? Won't happen,neither will papasmurffs , as there too practical. portugalbull
  • Score: 0

3:32pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Farsley Bantam says...

nosher wrote:
nosher wrote: Right enough trash on this forum. Let's help ourselves and start a supporters consortium. We need £1 million. I would invest £1000 pound for a life membership. We only need another 999 like minded individuals. So come on less back biting and talking boll***s . power to the people
Just as I thought. Spineless whingers lol. One of the only sensible posters on here was pricey. What happened to him
What were you expecting? People to go 'great idea Nosher, here's me £1000. I've got 998 mates who will do the same so lets buy the club. You can be chairman if you want'

I'm not clear what exactly 'life membership' gets you. If it means you get in free for life then you have given it away way too cheap. You've basically given away 1,000 season tickets away free for the next 20+ years.
[quote][p][bold]nosher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nosher[/bold] wrote: Right enough trash on this forum. Let's help ourselves and start a supporters consortium. We need £1 million. I would invest £1000 pound for a life membership. We only need another 999 like minded individuals. So come on less back biting and talking boll***s . power to the people[/p][/quote]Just as I thought. Spineless whingers lol. One of the only sensible posters on here was pricey. What happened to him[/p][/quote]What were you expecting? People to go 'great idea Nosher, here's me £1000. I've got 998 mates who will do the same so lets buy the club. You can be chairman if you want' I'm not clear what exactly 'life membership' gets you. If it means you get in free for life then you have given it away way too cheap. You've basically given away 1,000 season tickets away free for the next 20+ years. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 3

3:48pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Out of the list for the purchaser TVOR it says the £200k council loan. I thought that was under a personal guarantee to Khan? Has it been mentioned by the administrator and why should the purchaser pay it. And if they did have a clean slate, how did they rack up a million to the league?
This all happened under the leadership of Khan and Sutcliffe and in a very short time it seems they created a very large debt. With the crowds up there being pretty decent at the time, what can have created such a debt? Were the players on more money than what was coming in?
Companies aren't meant to trade insolvent and with Sutcliffe being an MP then surely questions have to be asked?
From the wasting of money by Caisley to the talk of Hood losing lots and the £500k raised gone, its like jumping into the pan or the fire with Khan and Sutcliffe. Then the fence sellers and the ones left to suffer are the players, staff and fans and any companies that gave them credit.
Out of the list for the purchaser TVOR it says the £200k council loan. I thought that was under a personal guarantee to Khan? Has it been mentioned by the administrator and why should the purchaser pay it. And if they did have a clean slate, how did they rack up a million to the league? This all happened under the leadership of Khan and Sutcliffe and in a very short time it seems they created a very large debt. With the crowds up there being pretty decent at the time, what can have created such a debt? Were the players on more money than what was coming in? Companies aren't meant to trade insolvent and with Sutcliffe being an MP then surely questions have to be asked? From the wasting of money by Caisley to the talk of Hood losing lots and the £500k raised gone, its like jumping into the pan or the fire with Khan and Sutcliffe. Then the fence sellers and the ones left to suffer are the players, staff and fans and any companies that gave them credit. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 2

3:56pm Tue 25 Mar 14

nosher says...

The club need the money now, not over the next 20 years. I don't see why it couldn't be done. Obviously not on here. I will speak to my mate Nigel wood
The club need the money now, not over the next 20 years. I don't see why it couldn't be done. Obviously not on here. I will speak to my mate Nigel wood nosher
  • Score: -2

3:57pm Tue 25 Mar 14

birstallbull says...

Would be interesting to find out how many other super league clubs would qualify under the same conditions being reqested of the new owners of the Bulls I.e one million pounds of funds available that includes full sky allocation plus the additional 300kk sky windfall. Really am beginning to think that thr rfl wish to see us relegated to massage some damaged egos. To supporters of all the other clubs revelling in our current predicament. Remember whst goes around comes around and the rfl have set a dangerpous precedent here for the future of the gsme.
Would be interesting to find out how many other super league clubs would qualify under the same conditions being reqested of the new owners of the Bulls I.e one million pounds of funds available that includes full sky allocation plus the additional 300kk sky windfall. Really am beginning to think that thr rfl wish to see us relegated to massage some damaged egos. To supporters of all the other clubs revelling in our current predicament. Remember whst goes around comes around and the rfl have set a dangerpous precedent here for the future of the gsme. birstallbull
  • Score: -3

3:59pm Tue 25 Mar 14

theoutsider says...

Oh Mandy, well you came and
You gave without taking
But they sent you away
Oh Mandy, will you comeback and
Stop us from folding
And we need you today
Oh Mandy, well you came and You gave without taking But they sent you away Oh Mandy, will you comeback and Stop us from folding And we need you today theoutsider
  • Score: 7

3:59pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
nosher wrote:
nosher wrote: Right enough trash on this forum. Let's help ourselves and start a supporters consortium. We need £1 million. I would invest £1000 pound for a life membership. We only need another 999 like minded individuals. So come on less back biting and talking boll***s . power to the people
Just as I thought. Spineless whingers lol. One of the only sensible posters on here was pricey. What happened to him
What were you expecting? People to go 'great idea Nosher, here's me £1000. I've got 998 mates who will do the same so lets buy the club. You can be chairman if you want'

I'm not clear what exactly 'life membership' gets you. If it means you get in free for life then you have given it away way too cheap. You've basically given away 1,000 season tickets away free for the next 20+ years.
It might take a million to have the club and sort the debts. I'd think they would need a couple of million alone just to get the club on its feet and some players in to do a decent job. But the crowds would come back and it might pay off but its no instant fix and might take years to sort.
By then the RFL might have lost the Sky deal and the players go bavk to part time as the horrible Union flourishes.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nosher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nosher[/bold] wrote: Right enough trash on this forum. Let's help ourselves and start a supporters consortium. We need £1 million. I would invest £1000 pound for a life membership. We only need another 999 like minded individuals. So come on less back biting and talking boll***s . power to the people[/p][/quote]Just as I thought. Spineless whingers lol. One of the only sensible posters on here was pricey. What happened to him[/p][/quote]What were you expecting? People to go 'great idea Nosher, here's me £1000. I've got 998 mates who will do the same so lets buy the club. You can be chairman if you want' I'm not clear what exactly 'life membership' gets you. If it means you get in free for life then you have given it away way too cheap. You've basically given away 1,000 season tickets away free for the next 20+ years.[/p][/quote]It might take a million to have the club and sort the debts. I'd think they would need a couple of million alone just to get the club on its feet and some players in to do a decent job. But the crowds would come back and it might pay off but its no instant fix and might take years to sort. By then the RFL might have lost the Sky deal and the players go bavk to part time as the horrible Union flourishes. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 2

4:10pm Tue 25 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Just to lighten the mood.The RFL are to carry out a study on the way that R.L. is doing in Cumbria.!9 years to late,should have been done at the start of Super League,Watch out,Workington,White
haven and Barrow,two of you are going to make way for one or two teams from France.Toulouse and Villeneuve.
Just to lighten the mood.The RFL are to carry out a study on the way that R.L. is doing in Cumbria.!9 years to late,should have been done at the start of Super League,Watch out,Workington,White haven and Barrow,two of you are going to make way for one or two teams from France.Toulouse and Villeneuve. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 1

4:26pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Writer says...

This whole saga has been a disgrace from the very start. First of all the administrator.is happy to let this drag on as long as possible, After all the longer it goes on the more he screws out of the club. The RFL seem determined to relegate us at all costs. They have deprived us of 1.2M Sky money and deducted eight points from us this season. (2 points for being drawn against Huddersfield in the magic weekend). When a club fails to make the top eight and is then paired with the club that finished first, where is the logic? Huddersfield should have been playing the likes of Leeds or Wigan. Concerning the bids, the administrator should have made it clear from the start that anyone submitting a bid would have to provide proof of funding and have it available when the bid was made. What seems to have happened is that bidders have been asked to provide proof after their bid has been accepted. On that basis I could have put in a bid! The RFL have been working (perhaps not an accurate description) with Wilson and between them they are stitching up our club.

If we and another heartland club were to be relegated, that would suit the RFL fine. On the other hand if London and Catalans were to finish bottom then I think there would be a rapid rule change.

Run a business? The RFL could not run a tap!
This whole saga has been a disgrace from the very start. First of all the administrator.is happy to let this drag on as long as possible, After all the longer it goes on the more he screws out of the club. The RFL seem determined to relegate us at all costs. They have deprived us of 1.2M Sky money and deducted eight points from us this season. (2 points for being drawn against Huddersfield in the magic weekend). When a club fails to make the top eight and is then paired with the club that finished first, where is the logic? Huddersfield should have been playing the likes of Leeds or Wigan. Concerning the bids, the administrator should have made it clear from the start that anyone submitting a bid would have to provide proof of funding and have it available when the bid was made. What seems to have happened is that bidders have been asked to provide proof after their bid has been accepted. On that basis I could have put in a bid! The RFL have been working (perhaps not an accurate description) with Wilson and between them they are stitching up our club. If we and another heartland club were to be relegated, that would suit the RFL fine. On the other hand if London and Catalans were to finish bottom then I think there would be a rapid rule change. Run a business? The RFL could not run a tap! Writer
  • Score: 5

4:27pm Tue 25 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

The good news for Cumbria.It will take the RFL ten years to make a decision.
The good news for Cumbria.It will take the RFL ten years to make a decision. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 0

4:31pm Tue 25 Mar 14

birstallbull says...

Sad to say after watching my team for 49 years. This form of chinese water torture is enough. I think the administrator knows that any bidder with effectively 2 million pounds of funds available to satisfy the rfl demands is highly unlikely to materialise. Therefore he should accept any decent offer to satisfy the creditors and liquidate the club. Leave the rfl with a white elephant around its neck, allow the players and coaching staff to exit this nightmare and allow suporters of this once great club the opportunity to find an alternative pastime to occupy their sunday afternoons which doesn't put any of their hard earned cash into this failing institution. It would be interesting to see how the other SL chairmen react to the loss of this iconic club along with its travelling support that we have provided over the years.
Sad to say after watching my team for 49 years. This form of chinese water torture is enough. I think the administrator knows that any bidder with effectively 2 million pounds of funds available to satisfy the rfl demands is highly unlikely to materialise. Therefore he should accept any decent offer to satisfy the creditors and liquidate the club. Leave the rfl with a white elephant around its neck, allow the players and coaching staff to exit this nightmare and allow suporters of this once great club the opportunity to find an alternative pastime to occupy their sunday afternoons which doesn't put any of their hard earned cash into this failing institution. It would be interesting to see how the other SL chairmen react to the loss of this iconic club along with its travelling support that we have provided over the years. birstallbull
  • Score: 6

4:33pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Farsley Bantam says...

nosher wrote:
The club need the money now, not over the next 20 years. I don't see why it couldn't be done. Obviously not on here. I will speak to my mate Nigel wood
The club need money now AND money over the next 20 years. If you give these fans a lifetime pass for £1000 you will pay off the current debt and then each year you are down by 1000 adult season ticket holders. The Bulls simply could not afford that. I like the enthusiasm and a buyout by fans is possible in theory at least put its a hard sell to get people to put £1000 when everything up to now has been a total shambles.
[quote][p][bold]nosher[/bold] wrote: The club need the money now, not over the next 20 years. I don't see why it couldn't be done. Obviously not on here. I will speak to my mate Nigel wood[/p][/quote]The club need money now AND money over the next 20 years. If you give these fans a lifetime pass for £1000 you will pay off the current debt and then each year you are down by 1000 adult season ticket holders. The Bulls simply could not afford that. I like the enthusiasm and a buyout by fans is possible in theory at least put its a hard sell to get people to put £1000 when everything up to now has been a total shambles. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 3

4:55pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Worried of Guildford says...

If someody at the Avenue has £1 million to spend, I wish they would invest it in our club and get Horsfall up to Conference Premier standards rather than the bottomless pit that is Bradford Northern.

Look what happened to St Helens Town, Runcorn, Leigh RMI and Newcastle Blue Star when they groundshared with supposedly bigger rugby clubs. Once the presence of the soccer club had been used to get every extra available grant, the footballers were priced out of business by increased rents.
If someody at the Avenue has £1 million to spend, I wish they would invest it in our club and get Horsfall up to Conference Premier standards rather than the bottomless pit that is Bradford Northern. Look what happened to St Helens Town, Runcorn, Leigh RMI and Newcastle Blue Star when they groundshared with supposedly bigger rugby clubs. Once the presence of the soccer club had been used to get every extra available grant, the footballers were priced out of business by increased rents. Worried of Guildford
  • Score: 3

5:27pm Tue 25 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Guildford.
Apparently,according to an earlier poster,Horsfall is being demolished so Avenue will not have a ground to play on.Whether that is true or not I do not know.Quite possibly that is the reason they have put a bid in.Which once again throws up the question,how do you judge a fit and proper person to run the club.
Guildford. Apparently,according to an earlier poster,Horsfall is being demolished so Avenue will not have a ground to play on.Whether that is true or not I do not know.Quite possibly that is the reason they have put a bid in.Which once again throws up the question,how do you judge a fit and proper person to run the club. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 3

5:40pm Tue 25 Mar 14

billybobbull says...

Van Bellen's Baby wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
To be fair you cant blame the the RFL asking for proof of funds at this stage. With the previous Bull's owner history they just want to look what is best for the club.

Sorry but if Lamb was even serious about this and being a "clued" up businessman he should have known the deal could not have been completed until funds were proven as is the case with all business deals of this nature. Most competent businessman would have this proof already as part of their bid process. Lamb was just another chancer and although not having an owner isnt ideal they are better off without this one
Yes but according to the man himself he did provide proof a fortnight ago and the RFL asked for proof again, with a 24 hour deadline last Thurs/Friday so it's difficult to know who's at fault here.
To be fair the RF & Mr Wilson, proof one week, does not prove he has sufficient ready funds a week later....as some say, who would keep it sat there waiting?. A. Only the person with lots to let it lie around in an accessible account... that is clearly NOT this invisible investor.

That's the unfortunate truth. We simply are not a viable prospect for your average investor.
[quote][p][bold]Van Bellen's Baby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: To be fair you cant blame the the RFL asking for proof of funds at this stage. With the previous Bull's owner history they just want to look what is best for the club. Sorry but if Lamb was even serious about this and being a "clued" up businessman he should have known the deal could not have been completed until funds were proven as is the case with all business deals of this nature. Most competent businessman would have this proof already as part of their bid process. Lamb was just another chancer and although not having an owner isnt ideal they are better off without this one[/p][/quote]Yes but according to the man himself he did provide proof a fortnight ago and the RFL asked for proof again, with a 24 hour deadline last Thurs/Friday so it's difficult to know who's at fault here.[/p][/quote]To be fair the RF & Mr Wilson, proof one week, does not prove he has sufficient ready funds a week later....as some say, who would keep it sat there waiting?. A. Only the person with lots to let it lie around in an accessible account... that is clearly NOT this invisible investor. That's the unfortunate truth. We simply are not a viable prospect for your average investor. billybobbull
  • Score: 0

5:55pm Tue 25 Mar 14

melon head says...

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
Sad bull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.
These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly.

Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men.

Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls.

All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell.

Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame.

The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw.

The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.
" Moore and co trying to buy the club with its own money " was a swipe at Moore by Ralph Rimmer in retaliation to Moore's scathing statement when they withdrew their offer.

The bid to buy OK Bulls came from Bradford Bulls 2014 which is a company registered to and owned by Moore and his co directors and nobody else.

" the clubs money " to use Rimmer's words was Bradford Bulls 2014' s money, put in by Moore and co so I don't see the problem with it. If I own a company and want to buy another company I am going to use the companies money not my own. That is what they were doing from what I can tell.

People are also confusing buying the club with running the club which are two very different things. Of course they needed to buy the club with their money, but like all businesses it would be run on its cash flow if it is successful, by which I mean run properly. Every business is run in this way. Normally when you invest in a business which is run properly, you don't have to keep on investing.

This was just a red herring and sour grapes from Rimmer. Nothing else.

I think, had the RFL been willing to negotiate on the special measures issue, which was clearly the deal breaker, we would be in a much better place today than we are and I am pretty sure the Bulls would have made it to the end of the season, when things would have improved significantly from a financial point of view. That is all Moore and Co were trying to do.

As others have said positive things were happening at the Bulls and the Coral stand was generating significant money for the first time in years.
There was a real buzz about the place, even at the pre-season friendlies.

The atmosphere at the last home match was dreadful and the Coral stand almost empty. It will take more than money to turn this around.

Can somebody please sort this out as every day my beloved Bulls is just getting weaker and needs intensive care.
Moore and co. were 100% bad for the club

If you think otherwise I suggest you consider sectioning yourself under the mental health act!
100% bad !!! the only person who needs a check up from the neck up is you.these four guys worked there backsides off not just on game day but also throughout the week. they were 100% comitted to getting the bulls back on track.all they are guilty of is having a good go at it only for the clowns at red hall to mess them around (special measures). you stated that the rfl are trying to help, yes help us into going down!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.[/p][/quote]These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.[/p][/quote]" Moore and co trying to buy the club with its own money " was a swipe at Moore by Ralph Rimmer in retaliation to Moore's scathing statement when they withdrew their offer. The bid to buy OK Bulls came from Bradford Bulls 2014 which is a company registered to and owned by Moore and his co directors and nobody else. " the clubs money " to use Rimmer's words was Bradford Bulls 2014' s money, put in by Moore and co so I don't see the problem with it. If I own a company and want to buy another company I am going to use the companies money not my own. That is what they were doing from what I can tell. People are also confusing buying the club with running the club which are two very different things. Of course they needed to buy the club with their money, but like all businesses it would be run on its cash flow if it is successful, by which I mean run properly. Every business is run in this way. Normally when you invest in a business which is run properly, you don't have to keep on investing. This was just a red herring and sour grapes from Rimmer. Nothing else. I think, had the RFL been willing to negotiate on the special measures issue, which was clearly the deal breaker, we would be in a much better place today than we are and I am pretty sure the Bulls would have made it to the end of the season, when things would have improved significantly from a financial point of view. That is all Moore and Co were trying to do. As others have said positive things were happening at the Bulls and the Coral stand was generating significant money for the first time in years. There was a real buzz about the place, even at the pre-season friendlies. The atmosphere at the last home match was dreadful and the Coral stand almost empty. It will take more than money to turn this around. Can somebody please sort this out as every day my beloved Bulls is just getting weaker and needs intensive care.[/p][/quote]Moore and co. were 100% bad for the club If you think otherwise I suggest you consider sectioning yourself under the mental health act![/p][/quote]100% bad !!! the only person who needs a check up from the neck up is you.these four guys worked there backsides off not just on game day but also throughout the week. they were 100% comitted to getting the bulls back on track.all they are guilty of is having a good go at it only for the clowns at red hall to mess them around (special measures). you stated that the rfl are trying to help, yes help us into going down!!!!!! melon head
  • Score: 0

6:13pm Tue 25 Mar 14

northern pig says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
The good news for Cumbria.It will take the RFL ten years to make a decision.
We have been their mate, remember! Carlisle Boarder Raiders! It failed because It was too far north. Cumbria is a hot bed off R/L but Carlisle is Soccer territory. too far north. Another blunder by the people that run the game.!!!! It's just one 'F' up after another.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: The good news for Cumbria.It will take the RFL ten years to make a decision.[/p][/quote]We have been their mate, remember! Carlisle Boarder Raiders! It failed because It was too far north. Cumbria is a hot bed off R/L but Carlisle is Soccer territory. too far north. Another blunder by the people that run the game.!!!! It's just one 'F' up after another. northern pig
  • Score: 0

6:36pm Tue 25 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Northern Pig.
How right you are.Cumbria has always been a hot bed of Rugby League.Some of the best forwards to play the game were Cumbrians,they were all hard men,mind you living up there you had to be tough.I once worked in Whitehaven for three months,May,June and July.I think I saw the sun once.I had three pullovers on the locals had short sleeved shirts,lovely people though.When Super League started Workington were in Super League but were never given the help they needed to prosper.The RFL through money at London instead and neglected a proper Rugby League county.Where are London now? in a worse place than then but the RFL will still persevere and do their utmost to keep them in Super League.You see,we need a team in London.Absolute utter tripe,even though the amateur game is progressing a professional club will never survive.RFU is the game in London as last weeks crowd at Wembley proves 84000.The RFL will now turn their attention to try and progress the game in France.The French Rugby League Association cannot make it work so what chance have the clowns at Red Hall got,none.Once again I ask the question,please tell me anything the RFL has done to make Rugby League a success in the last 20 years.Oh I forgot,Magic Weekend.
Northern Pig. How right you are.Cumbria has always been a hot bed of Rugby League.Some of the best forwards to play the game were Cumbrians,they were all hard men,mind you living up there you had to be tough.I once worked in Whitehaven for three months,May,June and July.I think I saw the sun once.I had three pullovers on the locals had short sleeved shirts,lovely people though.When Super League started Workington were in Super League but were never given the help they needed to prosper.The RFL through money at London instead and neglected a proper Rugby League county.Where are London now? in a worse place than then but the RFL will still persevere and do their utmost to keep them in Super League.You see,we need a team in London.Absolute utter tripe,even though the amateur game is progressing a professional club will never survive.RFU is the game in London as last weeks crowd at Wembley proves 84000.The RFL will now turn their attention to try and progress the game in France.The French Rugby League Association cannot make it work so what chance have the clowns at Red Hall got,none.Once again I ask the question,please tell me anything the RFL has done to make Rugby League a success in the last 20 years.Oh I forgot,Magic Weekend. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 0

6:52pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

melon head wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
Sad bull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.
These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly.

Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men.

Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls.

All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell.

Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame.

The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw.

The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.
" Moore and co trying to buy the club with its own money " was a swipe at Moore by Ralph Rimmer in retaliation to Moore's scathing statement when they withdrew their offer.

The bid to buy OK Bulls came from Bradford Bulls 2014 which is a company registered to and owned by Moore and his co directors and nobody else.

" the clubs money " to use Rimmer's words was Bradford Bulls 2014' s money, put in by Moore and co so I don't see the problem with it. If I own a company and want to buy another company I am going to use the companies money not my own. That is what they were doing from what I can tell.

People are also confusing buying the club with running the club which are two very different things. Of course they needed to buy the club with their money, but like all businesses it would be run on its cash flow if it is successful, by which I mean run properly. Every business is run in this way. Normally when you invest in a business which is run properly, you don't have to keep on investing.

This was just a red herring and sour grapes from Rimmer. Nothing else.

I think, had the RFL been willing to negotiate on the special measures issue, which was clearly the deal breaker, we would be in a much better place today than we are and I am pretty sure the Bulls would have made it to the end of the season, when things would have improved significantly from a financial point of view. That is all Moore and Co were trying to do.

As others have said positive things were happening at the Bulls and the Coral stand was generating significant money for the first time in years.
There was a real buzz about the place, even at the pre-season friendlies.

The atmosphere at the last home match was dreadful and the Coral stand almost empty. It will take more than money to turn this around.

Can somebody please sort this out as every day my beloved Bulls is just getting weaker and needs intensive care.
Moore and co. were 100% bad for the club

If you think otherwise I suggest you consider sectioning yourself under the mental health act!
100% bad !!! the only person who needs a check up from the neck up is you.these four guys worked there backsides off not just on game day but also throughout the week. they were 100% comitted to getting the bulls back on track.all they are guilty of is having a good go at it only for the clowns at red hall to mess them around (special measures). you stated that the rfl are trying to help, yes help us into going down!!!!!!
Special measures were put on because when they let Khan loose without he royally screwed it up.
He is the reason the RFL felt they had to act in that way as they weren't confident of avoiding another admin come the end of the season and history repeating itself again.
[quote][p][bold]melon head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.[/p][/quote]These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.[/p][/quote]" Moore and co trying to buy the club with its own money " was a swipe at Moore by Ralph Rimmer in retaliation to Moore's scathing statement when they withdrew their offer. The bid to buy OK Bulls came from Bradford Bulls 2014 which is a company registered to and owned by Moore and his co directors and nobody else. " the clubs money " to use Rimmer's words was Bradford Bulls 2014' s money, put in by Moore and co so I don't see the problem with it. If I own a company and want to buy another company I am going to use the companies money not my own. That is what they were doing from what I can tell. People are also confusing buying the club with running the club which are two very different things. Of course they needed to buy the club with their money, but like all businesses it would be run on its cash flow if it is successful, by which I mean run properly. Every business is run in this way. Normally when you invest in a business which is run properly, you don't have to keep on investing. This was just a red herring and sour grapes from Rimmer. Nothing else. I think, had the RFL been willing to negotiate on the special measures issue, which was clearly the deal breaker, we would be in a much better place today than we are and I am pretty sure the Bulls would have made it to the end of the season, when things would have improved significantly from a financial point of view. That is all Moore and Co were trying to do. As others have said positive things were happening at the Bulls and the Coral stand was generating significant money for the first time in years. There was a real buzz about the place, even at the pre-season friendlies. The atmosphere at the last home match was dreadful and the Coral stand almost empty. It will take more than money to turn this around. Can somebody please sort this out as every day my beloved Bulls is just getting weaker and needs intensive care.[/p][/quote]Moore and co. were 100% bad for the club If you think otherwise I suggest you consider sectioning yourself under the mental health act![/p][/quote]100% bad !!! the only person who needs a check up from the neck up is you.these four guys worked there backsides off not just on game day but also throughout the week. they were 100% comitted to getting the bulls back on track.all they are guilty of is having a good go at it only for the clowns at red hall to mess them around (special measures). you stated that the rfl are trying to help, yes help us into going down!!!!!![/p][/quote]Special measures were put on because when they let Khan loose without he royally screwed it up. He is the reason the RFL felt they had to act in that way as they weren't confident of avoiding another admin come the end of the season and history repeating itself again. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 0

6:57pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Mr Perks says...

According to Look North, Marc Green is the man. Look on the bright side, the Bulls will now have some top notch stewarding! Whether he's any more trustworthy than any other of the bidders/previous owners, we'll have to wait and see. I don't think this will be the end of the pantomime known as the Bratfud Bulls.
According to Look North, Marc Green is the man. Look on the bright side, the Bulls will now have some top notch stewarding! Whether he's any more trustworthy than any other of the bidders/previous owners, we'll have to wait and see. I don't think this will be the end of the pantomime known as the Bratfud Bulls. Mr Perks
  • Score: -2

7:04pm Tue 25 Mar 14

northern pig says...

Mr Perks wrote:
According to Look North, Marc Green is the man. Look on the bright side, the Bulls will now have some top notch stewarding! Whether he's any more trustworthy than any other of the bidders/previous owners, we'll have to wait and see. I don't think this will be the end of the pantomime known as the Bratfud Bulls.
Well that's it then! He will realise What assets He can,then by by Bulls.GUTTED.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Perks[/bold] wrote: According to Look North, Marc Green is the man. Look on the bright side, the Bulls will now have some top notch stewarding! Whether he's any more trustworthy than any other of the bidders/previous owners, we'll have to wait and see. I don't think this will be the end of the pantomime known as the Bratfud Bulls.[/p][/quote]Well that's it then! He will realise What assets He can,then by by Bulls.GUTTED. northern pig
  • Score: 2

7:43pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Sad bull says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
melon head wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
Sad bull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.
These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly.

Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men.

Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls.

All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell.

Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame.

The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw.

The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.
" Moore and co trying to buy the club with its own money " was a swipe at Moore by Ralph Rimmer in retaliation to Moore's scathing statement when they withdrew their offer.

The bid to buy OK Bulls came from Bradford Bulls 2014 which is a company registered to and owned by Moore and his co directors and nobody else.

" the clubs money " to use Rimmer's words was Bradford Bulls 2014' s money, put in by Moore and co so I don't see the problem with it. If I own a company and want to buy another company I am going to use the companies money not my own. That is what they were doing from what I can tell.

People are also confusing buying the club with running the club which are two very different things. Of course they needed to buy the club with their money, but like all businesses it would be run on its cash flow if it is successful, by which I mean run properly. Every business is run in this way. Normally when you invest in a business which is run properly, you don't have to keep on investing.

This was just a red herring and sour grapes from Rimmer. Nothing else.

I think, had the RFL been willing to negotiate on the special measures issue, which was clearly the deal breaker, we would be in a much better place today than we are and I am pretty sure the Bulls would have made it to the end of the season, when things would have improved significantly from a financial point of view. That is all Moore and Co were trying to do.

As others have said positive things were happening at the Bulls and the Coral stand was generating significant money for the first time in years.
There was a real buzz about the place, even at the pre-season friendlies.

The atmosphere at the last home match was dreadful and the Coral stand almost empty. It will take more than money to turn this around.

Can somebody please sort this out as every day my beloved Bulls is just getting weaker and needs intensive care.
Moore and co. were 100% bad for the club

If you think otherwise I suggest you consider sectioning yourself under the mental health act!
100% bad !!! the only person who needs a check up from the neck up is you.these four guys worked there backsides off not just on game day but also throughout the week. they were 100% comitted to getting the bulls back on track.all they are guilty of is having a good go at it only for the clowns at red hall to mess them around (special measures). you stated that the rfl are trying to help, yes help us into going down!!!!!!
Special measures were put on because when they let Khan loose without he royally screwed it up.
He is the reason the RFL felt they had to act in that way as they weren't confident of avoiding another admin come the end of the season and history repeating itself again.
Genius and you know all this how ?

You really do spout a load of tosh most of the time Voice of no reason at all !!!
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melon head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.[/p][/quote]These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.[/p][/quote]" Moore and co trying to buy the club with its own money " was a swipe at Moore by Ralph Rimmer in retaliation to Moore's scathing statement when they withdrew their offer. The bid to buy OK Bulls came from Bradford Bulls 2014 which is a company registered to and owned by Moore and his co directors and nobody else. " the clubs money " to use Rimmer's words was Bradford Bulls 2014' s money, put in by Moore and co so I don't see the problem with it. If I own a company and want to buy another company I am going to use the companies money not my own. That is what they were doing from what I can tell. People are also confusing buying the club with running the club which are two very different things. Of course they needed to buy the club with their money, but like all businesses it would be run on its cash flow if it is successful, by which I mean run properly. Every business is run in this way. Normally when you invest in a business which is run properly, you don't have to keep on investing. This was just a red herring and sour grapes from Rimmer. Nothing else. I think, had the RFL been willing to negotiate on the special measures issue, which was clearly the deal breaker, we would be in a much better place today than we are and I am pretty sure the Bulls would have made it to the end of the season, when things would have improved significantly from a financial point of view. That is all Moore and Co were trying to do. As others have said positive things were happening at the Bulls and the Coral stand was generating significant money for the first time in years. There was a real buzz about the place, even at the pre-season friendlies. The atmosphere at the last home match was dreadful and the Coral stand almost empty. It will take more than money to turn this around. Can somebody please sort this out as every day my beloved Bulls is just getting weaker and needs intensive care.[/p][/quote]Moore and co. were 100% bad for the club If you think otherwise I suggest you consider sectioning yourself under the mental health act![/p][/quote]100% bad !!! the only person who needs a check up from the neck up is you.these four guys worked there backsides off not just on game day but also throughout the week. they were 100% comitted to getting the bulls back on track.all they are guilty of is having a good go at it only for the clowns at red hall to mess them around (special measures). you stated that the rfl are trying to help, yes help us into going down!!!!!![/p][/quote]Special measures were put on because when they let Khan loose without he royally screwed it up. He is the reason the RFL felt they had to act in that way as they weren't confident of avoiding another admin come the end of the season and history repeating itself again.[/p][/quote]Genius and you know all this how ? You really do spout a load of tosh most of the time Voice of no reason at all !!! Sad bull
  • Score: 3

7:59pm Tue 25 Mar 14

raisemeup says...

northern pig wrote:
If it were not so serious, it could be a rework of a Shakespearean play.Bulls as the Merchant of Venice and The RFL as Shylock, wanting their pound of flesh for services rendered.While the chancers and fraudsters who have through ineptitude,mismanage

ment and plain stupiidity run the club into the ground over the last few years. Watch the drama unfold from the 'cheap' seats.
So you will be gloating over the body then?

Or are you concerned over what you and the others perceive as the reason for our downfall, or who is guilty or innocent> It's easy to scoff when it doesn't concern you. Does it concern you that we survive, or are you more concerned with how you score points by some of the posters on this site.
If that is your creed stick with those that are content to see us go into oblivion whilst doing nothing but complain about people you neither know or have any empathy for.
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: If it were not so serious, it could be a rework of a Shakespearean play.Bulls as the Merchant of Venice and The RFL as Shylock, wanting their pound of flesh for services rendered.While the chancers and fraudsters who have through ineptitude,mismanage ment and plain stupiidity run the club into the ground over the last few years. Watch the drama unfold from the 'cheap' seats.[/p][/quote]So you will be gloating over the body then? Or are you concerned over what you and the others perceive as the reason for our downfall, or who is guilty or innocent> It's easy to scoff when it doesn't concern you. Does it concern you that we survive, or are you more concerned with how you score points by some of the posters on this site. If that is your creed stick with those that are content to see us go into oblivion whilst doing nothing but complain about people you neither know or have any empathy for. raisemeup
  • Score: -5

8:37pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Mike Strutter says...

northern pig wrote:
Mr Perks wrote:
According to Look North, Marc Green is the man. Look on the bright side, the Bulls will now have some top notch stewarding! Whether he's any more trustworthy than any other of the bidders/previous owners, we'll have to wait and see. I don't think this will be the end of the pantomime known as the Bratfud Bulls.
Well that's it then! He will realise What assets He can,then by by Bulls.GUTTED.
Watch out for Moore et al making a comeback ;-)
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Perks[/bold] wrote: According to Look North, Marc Green is the man. Look on the bright side, the Bulls will now have some top notch stewarding! Whether he's any more trustworthy than any other of the bidders/previous owners, we'll have to wait and see. I don't think this will be the end of the pantomime known as the Bratfud Bulls.[/p][/quote]Well that's it then! He will realise What assets He can,then by by Bulls.GUTTED.[/p][/quote]Watch out for Moore et al making a comeback ;-) Mike Strutter
  • Score: 0

8:37pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Van Bellen's Baby says...

Van Bellen's Baby wrote:
yorkie10uk wrote:
As a new poster, I have a thought on all this.

Koukash has cash which the game needs and the RFL know this

His wife makes a bid for the Bulls.

She finds out its not the winning bid with the Administrator. Lamb wins the bid

RFL then impose pressure on Lamb to prove funds.

Does no one else agree that it seems the RFL want Mandy in charge and are putting the mockers on Lamb as they knew he could not achieve this timescale to prove funds.

From there, Mandy bid is second best (hopefully) then hey presto, Bulls are saved and RFL know they are in good hands with someone who clearly has the cash and ambition to take them forward?

Just a thought!!
What about Marc Green? He seems to hold some cards in this situation.
Strange how I had -4 likes for this earlier today...
[quote][p][bold]Van Bellen's Baby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkie10uk[/bold] wrote: As a new poster, I have a thought on all this. Koukash has cash which the game needs and the RFL know this His wife makes a bid for the Bulls. She finds out its not the winning bid with the Administrator. Lamb wins the bid RFL then impose pressure on Lamb to prove funds. Does no one else agree that it seems the RFL want Mandy in charge and are putting the mockers on Lamb as they knew he could not achieve this timescale to prove funds. From there, Mandy bid is second best (hopefully) then hey presto, Bulls are saved and RFL know they are in good hands with someone who clearly has the cash and ambition to take them forward? Just a thought!![/p][/quote]What about Marc Green? He seems to hold some cards in this situation.[/p][/quote]Strange how I had -4 likes for this earlier today... Van Bellen's Baby
  • Score: 1

9:18pm Tue 25 Mar 14

raymil0 says...

tyker2 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
oddshapedballs wrote:
axelf1963 wrote: Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire. Get down to city
Vp isnt a big enough pitch as a permanent ground. The rfl would chuck us out for that as well! Plus you have moronic football minded ground staff
'Moronic football minded ground staff' Of all the reasons I've heard on here for not moving to VP this is easily the best so far.
relegation beckons so do not want a championship club at our venue: you could not afford the rent.
And City are financially sound then ?.I don't think so
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Why blame the rugby league yet again. They have to be sure the bids are fit and proper and not another penny millionaire. Get down to city[/p][/quote]Vp isnt a big enough pitch as a permanent ground. The rfl would chuck us out for that as well! Plus you have moronic football minded ground staff[/p][/quote]'Moronic football minded ground staff' Of all the reasons I've heard on here for not moving to VP this is easily the best so far.[/p][/quote]relegation beckons so do not want a championship club at our venue: you could not afford the rent.[/p][/quote]And City are financially sound then ?.I don't think so raymil0
  • Score: -1

10:06pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Sad bull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
melon head wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
Sad bull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.
These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly.

Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men.

Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls.

All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell.

Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame.

The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw.

The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.
" Moore and co trying to buy the club with its own money " was a swipe at Moore by Ralph Rimmer in retaliation to Moore's scathing statement when they withdrew their offer.

The bid to buy OK Bulls came from Bradford Bulls 2014 which is a company registered to and owned by Moore and his co directors and nobody else.

" the clubs money " to use Rimmer's words was Bradford Bulls 2014' s money, put in by Moore and co so I don't see the problem with it. If I own a company and want to buy another company I am going to use the companies money not my own. That is what they were doing from what I can tell.

People are also confusing buying the club with running the club which are two very different things. Of course they needed to buy the club with their money, but like all businesses it would be run on its cash flow if it is successful, by which I mean run properly. Every business is run in this way. Normally when you invest in a business which is run properly, you don't have to keep on investing.

This was just a red herring and sour grapes from Rimmer. Nothing else.

I think, had the RFL been willing to negotiate on the special measures issue, which was clearly the deal breaker, we would be in a much better place today than we are and I am pretty sure the Bulls would have made it to the end of the season, when things would have improved significantly from a financial point of view. That is all Moore and Co were trying to do.

As others have said positive things were happening at the Bulls and the Coral stand was generating significant money for the first time in years.
There was a real buzz about the place, even at the pre-season friendlies.

The atmosphere at the last home match was dreadful and the Coral stand almost empty. It will take more than money to turn this around.

Can somebody please sort this out as every day my beloved Bulls is just getting weaker and needs intensive care.
Moore and co. were 100% bad for the club

If you think otherwise I suggest you consider sectioning yourself under the mental health act!
100% bad !!! the only person who needs a check up from the neck up is you.these four guys worked there backsides off not just on game day but also throughout the week. they were 100% comitted to getting the bulls back on track.all they are guilty of is having a good go at it only for the clowns at red hall to mess them around (special measures). you stated that the rfl are trying to help, yes help us into going down!!!!!!
Special measures were put on because when they let Khan loose without he royally screwed it up.
He is the reason the RFL felt they had to act in that way as they weren't confident of avoiding another admin come the end of the season and history repeating itself again.
Genius and you know all this how ?

You really do spout a load of tosh most of the time Voice of no reason at all !!!
How do I know this? It's pretty easy to see if you take a step back and look rather than trot out the it's everyone elses fault but ours line.
[quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melon head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.[/p][/quote]These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.[/p][/quote]" Moore and co trying to buy the club with its own money " was a swipe at Moore by Ralph Rimmer in retaliation to Moore's scathing statement when they withdrew their offer. The bid to buy OK Bulls came from Bradford Bulls 2014 which is a company registered to and owned by Moore and his co directors and nobody else. " the clubs money " to use Rimmer's words was Bradford Bulls 2014' s money, put in by Moore and co so I don't see the problem with it. If I own a company and want to buy another company I am going to use the companies money not my own. That is what they were doing from what I can tell. People are also confusing buying the club with running the club which are two very different things. Of course they needed to buy the club with their money, but like all businesses it would be run on its cash flow if it is successful, by which I mean run properly. Every business is run in this way. Normally when you invest in a business which is run properly, you don't have to keep on investing. This was just a red herring and sour grapes from Rimmer. Nothing else. I think, had the RFL been willing to negotiate on the special measures issue, which was clearly the deal breaker, we would be in a much better place today than we are and I am pretty sure the Bulls would have made it to the end of the season, when things would have improved significantly from a financial point of view. That is all Moore and Co were trying to do. As others have said positive things were happening at the Bulls and the Coral stand was generating significant money for the first time in years. There was a real buzz about the place, even at the pre-season friendlies. The atmosphere at the last home match was dreadful and the Coral stand almost empty. It will take more than money to turn this around. Can somebody please sort this out as every day my beloved Bulls is just getting weaker and needs intensive care.[/p][/quote]Moore and co. were 100% bad for the club If you think otherwise I suggest you consider sectioning yourself under the mental health act![/p][/quote]100% bad !!! the only person who needs a check up from the neck up is you.these four guys worked there backsides off not just on game day but also throughout the week. they were 100% comitted to getting the bulls back on track.all they are guilty of is having a good go at it only for the clowns at red hall to mess them around (special measures). you stated that the rfl are trying to help, yes help us into going down!!!!!![/p][/quote]Special measures were put on because when they let Khan loose without he royally screwed it up. He is the reason the RFL felt they had to act in that way as they weren't confident of avoiding another admin come the end of the season and history repeating itself again.[/p][/quote]Genius and you know all this how ? You really do spout a load of tosh most of the time Voice of no reason at all !!![/p][/quote]How do I know this? It's pretty easy to see if you take a step back and look rather than trot out the it's everyone elses fault but ours line. Thee Voice of Reason
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10:11pm Tue 25 Mar 14

raisemeup says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.
These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.
Is there ever a time when we get some sensible debate from you two> Mecca and TVOR that is. Scaremongering tactics is all you seem to live by? Those figures quoted are largely the province of a regime that is now in administration and as for the RFL loan of an unknown sum of £1m, if it's unknown how would Mecca know it? Someone else has the temerity to suggest that I support the others who have tried in vain to support and re build our club. Yes you are right and there is a good reason for that, the options to survive without them were exactly as we find ourselves faced with at this moment, oblivion! If faced with that prospect, collectively al l our true supporters, supported anyone who could stave off that situation, and many gave up their time and efforts for FREE by volunteering at the Bulls to try and make sure we had a club to support. The RFL are seen as the stumbling block, why is that, I don't here you saying??? Because they have blocked every scenario in this sorry saga, that gave us a chance of survival. Even to the extent that a prospective owner consortium instigated court action against them? Not the sort of publicity they would have wanted, I'm sure. Other prospective buyers have been contemptuously ignored, according to reports from MK and the others. Richard Lamb has complained that they moved the goal posts at the eleventh hour..or implies it by the 30 odd hours he has to prove he can back up the deal with £1 or £2m...no reason for giving him those figures and they appear not to know the exact amount. Is it £1 or £2 million? So yes I backed Omar Khan, and Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, and Ian Watt, because they were prepared to do something, whilst the armchair pundits could only criticise and attempt to score points whilst a great institution is brought to it's knees by mismanagement and the self interest of the RL council and it's governance. You do realise that once a patient is dead, the only thing left is the post-mortem, our supporters don't wish to know why we died, we only wish to know how we can survive.
Still the RFL's fault. I add to the debate, I talk about what is put before me, you simply say what you think people want to hear. We know the debt quoted by the administor is £1.5m so however that breakdown works out, be it £10k to the RFL or £600k it doesn't matter because the total debt is in the region of £1.5m that is fact. Whats to scaremonger? The club is face to face with death. Do you want me to whisper sweet nothings and tell you all is ok, the Bulls will win 20 games in a row and be in the challenge cup final. I'm saying it how it is, it's dire. If Lamb can't provide proof of funding with a lame excuse of the guy is on holiday or the foreign bank doesn't open on Wednesdays should the RFL just say ok then, we can't wait that long here is the club enjoy.
I don't think you are going to win this one TVOR. He's told himself so many times that it's all the RFL's fault that he won't listen to anything that suggests otherwise.
Its as if he thinks the RFL keep preventing cash rich saviours from becoming owners because of some personal vendetta against the Bulls. Delusional.
Just ask yourself why the ABC bid was rejected twice?
Why they agreed it was alright for OK to buy the club, when he agreed to give up SKY money? This after saying to credible or prospective purchasers that they only would consider bids that were unconditional?
The stance they took added greatly to the Administrators costs...if you dont believe it, ask the P&A partnership for a copy of the final report?

And finally if you think that the RFL would not countenance administration in any circumstances, check this out, from a very reputable Newspaper at the time our friends in Wakefield were going through their problems!
Quote
"The Rugby Football League have backed Wakefield Wildcats as efforts to rescue the engage Super League club continue.
RFL chief operating officer Ralph Rimmer feels going into administration can give the club a chance to 'draw a line' under their difficulties.
He believes they could have new owners by the season's start on Saturday week, but hinted the process could damage their hopes of staying in Super League beyond this year." Unquote

There is a lot more. like the fact the RFL loaned them in excess of £300k to prevent them being wound up by HMRC.!

Delusional maybe, but these are facts, and would bear out some scrutiny, at least by those that feel aggrieved by the whole scene, and who owes what and to whom will not alter our fortunes one iota.
Which is the point I try to make,. You believe what you wish I actually don't care?
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: People are blinded Only reason RFL would not let Lamb take over was not lack of funds but he wanted the lease back from RFL. as part of deal. Lamb offered about £300000 for club. We currently owe Green £250000 Bradford Council £200000 HMRC £177000 RFL £100000's (unknown about) Plus other normal club debts 1 million would only scratch the surface The RFL is clearly now as in the past is trying to help the Bulls, as stated when the clown Hood sold lease to them to stop such a takeover from happening to a property developer. Lamb is clearly after the land first and club second. What the RFL is not good at is communication, Many Bulls fans have had enough and are staying away from game which is hurting all of rugby league in general. On another note the RFL does not seem to me to be keeping up with the terms of the lease in regards to the maintenance of the ground its a total mess now and needs urgent attention. I would not be surprised if the club is liquidated shortly.[/p][/quote]These figures are frightening when you take into account Khan and Sutcliffe was given a clean slate when he took over. All debts cleared, no relegation season and time to rebuild from scratch and work the budgets accordingly. Khan and Sutcliffe screwed up royally and the RFL are doing their best to ensure that the club is never again run by a two bob charlie and his merry men. Moore and Co trying to buy the club with the clubs own money, Lamb putting in a bid to make him preferencial buyer but not having the funds to back up the bid. Lamb hasn't even bothered to visit the club to my knowledge which suggests his primary interest and those of the "property developers" is Odsal and not the Bulls. All this is time wasting is killing the club, It already looks too late to save the season as other clubs start to find their feet and squads start to gell. Khan and Sutcliffes silence tells you all you need to know about who is to blame for this mess. I bet they lap it up seeing the fans turning their anger at the RFL whilst they slip away back into the darkness and out of the blame. The people of Bradford need to boycott his businesses and ensure that Gerry loses his seat at the next election. They should not get off scott free for the mess they oversaw. The administrator picking the deal best for creditors against the RFL trying to get the deal best for the club was a conflict of interest that was never going to be overcome easily but they is no doubt the timewasters puttting in bids are doing more harm than good at present and are hammering the final nails into the coffin.[/p][/quote]Is there ever a time when we get some sensible debate from you two> Mecca and TVOR that is. Scaremongering tactics is all you seem to live by? Those figures quoted are largely the province of a regime that is now in administration and as for the RFL loan of an unknown sum of £1m, if it's unknown how would Mecca know it? Someone else has the temerity to suggest that I support the others who have tried in vain to support and re build our club. Yes you are right and there is a good reason for that, the options to survive without them were exactly as we find ourselves faced with at this moment, oblivion! If faced with that prospect, collectively al l our true supporters, supported anyone who could stave off that situation, and many gave up their time and efforts for FREE by volunteering at the Bulls to try and make sure we had a club to support. The RFL are seen as the stumbling block, why is that, I don't here you saying??? Because they have blocked every scenario in this sorry saga, that gave us a chance of survival. Even to the extent that a prospective owner consortium instigated court action against them? Not the sort of publicity they would have wanted, I'm sure. Other prospective buyers have been contemptuously ignored, according to reports from MK and the others. Richard Lamb has complained that they moved the goal posts at the eleventh hour..or implies it by the 30 odd hours he has to prove he can back up the deal with £1 or £2m...no reason for giving him those figures and they appear not to know the exact amount. Is it £1 or £2 million? So yes I backed Omar Khan, and Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, and Ian Watt, because they were prepared to do something, whilst the armchair pundits could only criticise and attempt to score points whilst a great institution is brought to it's knees by mismanagement and the self interest of the RL council and it's governance. You do realise that once a patient is dead, the only thing left is the post-mortem, our supporters don't wish to know why we died, we only wish to know how we can survive.[/p][/quote]Still the RFL's fault. I add to the debate, I talk about what is put before me, you simply say what you think people want to hear. We know the debt quoted by the administor is £1.5m so however that breakdown works out, be it £10k to the RFL or £600k it doesn't matter because the total debt is in the region of £1.5m that is fact. Whats to scaremonger? The club is face to face with death. Do you want me to whisper sweet nothings and tell you all is ok, the Bulls will win 20 games in a row and be in the challenge cup final. I'm saying it how it is, it's dire. If Lamb can't provide proof of funding with a lame excuse of the guy is on holiday or the foreign bank doesn't open on Wednesdays should the RFL just say ok then, we can't wait that long here is the club enjoy.[/p][/quote]I don't think you are going to win this one TVOR. He's told himself so many times that it's all the RFL's fault that he won't listen to anything that suggests otherwise. Its as if he thinks the RFL keep preventing cash rich saviours from becoming owners because of some personal vendetta against the Bulls. Delusional.[/p][/quote]Just ask yourself why the ABC bid was rejected twice? Why they agreed it was alright for OK to buy the club, when he agreed to give up SKY money? This after saying to credible or prospective purchasers that they only would consider bids that were unconditional? The stance they took added greatly to the Administrators costs...if you dont believe it, ask the P&A partnership for a copy of the final report? And finally if you think that the RFL would not countenance administration in any circumstances, check this out, from a very reputable Newspaper at the time our friends in Wakefield were going through their problems! Quote "The Rugby Football League have backed Wakefield Wildcats as efforts to rescue the engage Super League club continue. RFL chief operating officer Ralph Rimmer feels going into administration can give the club a chance to 'draw a line' under their difficulties. He believes they could have new owners by the season's start on Saturday week, but hinted the process could damage their hopes of staying in Super League beyond this year." Unquote There is a lot more. like the fact the RFL loaned them in excess of £300k to prevent them being wound up by HMRC.! Delusional maybe, but these are facts, and would bear out some scrutiny, at least by those that feel aggrieved by the whole scene, and who owes what and to whom will not alter our fortunes one iota. Which is the point I try to make,. You believe what you wish I actually don't care? raisemeup
  • Score: 1

10:52pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Worried of Guildford says...

Rachelknott wrote:
Claytonbull wrote: What is really going on here ? How can the RFL put a timeline of less than 34 hours for them to show they had a million pounds in the bank . How stupid if you had that kind of money it's going to be spread out all over the place not stuffed under the mattress at home. So were now back to square one and it looks like no one will be able to buy the club unless they've got a spare million pounds . But wait if bradford park avenue but it the bulls move to horsfall stadium ideal for championship rugby and the RFL get to sell odsal with all the land to the highest bidder big profit for them ?? It does make you wonder doesn't it ? I didn't realise we were hated so much by the rest of the rugby league community maybe it's time to throw in the towel .
Horse fall is getting knocked down park ave don't have a ground
You are mistaken Rachel, Horsfall is not being knocked down. There is a covenant on the site which means it can only be used for sport.
[quote][p][bold]Rachelknott[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claytonbull[/bold] wrote: What is really going on here ? How can the RFL put a timeline of less than 34 hours for them to show they had a million pounds in the bank . How stupid if you had that kind of money it's going to be spread out all over the place not stuffed under the mattress at home. So were now back to square one and it looks like no one will be able to buy the club unless they've got a spare million pounds . But wait if bradford park avenue but it the bulls move to horsfall stadium ideal for championship rugby and the RFL get to sell odsal with all the land to the highest bidder big profit for them ?? It does make you wonder doesn't it ? I didn't realise we were hated so much by the rest of the rugby league community maybe it's time to throw in the towel .[/p][/quote]Horse fall is getting knocked down park ave don't have a ground[/p][/quote]You are mistaken Rachel, Horsfall is not being knocked down. There is a covenant on the site which means it can only be used for sport. Worried of Guildford
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10:59pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Wanna Have says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
northern pig wrote:
Claytonbull wrote:
What is really going on here ? How can the RFL put a timeline of less than 34 hours for them to show they had a million pounds in the bank . How stupid if you had that kind of money it's going to be spread out all over the place not stuffed under the mattress at home. So were now back to square one and it looks like no one will be able to buy the club unless they've got a spare million pounds . But wait if bradford park avenue but it the bulls move to horsfall stadium ideal for championship rugby and the RFL get to sell odsal with all the land to the highest bidder big profit for them ?? It does make you wonder doesn't it ? I didn't realise we were hated so much by the rest of the rugby league community maybe it's time to throw in the towel .
The RFL do not own Odsal ,they have stadium lease to use it as a sports venue.The land is owned by Bradford Council.
Yes that's true and is the lease for just for a sporting purpose only?
If that was say a 999 year lease then it would be useless to Lamb so he would have to buy the site from the council to build on it.
To me a Bob Blackburn bid would only help BPA for their own reason.

BPA (if they ever made the football league) are too up themselves to talk to City.
Bpa are run by bradfordians,you have nothing to fear from them.let the others do the talking and we'll see what transpires. Northern,northern.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claytonbull[/bold] wrote: What is really going on here ? How can the RFL put a timeline of less than 34 hours for them to show they had a million pounds in the bank . How stupid if you had that kind of money it's going to be spread out all over the place not stuffed under the mattress at home. So were now back to square one and it looks like no one will be able to buy the club unless they've got a spare million pounds . But wait if bradford park avenue but it the bulls move to horsfall stadium ideal for championship rugby and the RFL get to sell odsal with all the land to the highest bidder big profit for them ?? It does make you wonder doesn't it ? I didn't realise we were hated so much by the rest of the rugby league community maybe it's time to throw in the towel .[/p][/quote]The RFL do not own Odsal ,they have stadium lease to use it as a sports venue.The land is owned by Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]Yes that's true and is the lease for just for a sporting purpose only? If that was say a 999 year lease then it would be useless to Lamb so he would have to buy the site from the council to build on it. To me a Bob Blackburn bid would only help BPA for their own reason. BPA (if they ever made the football league) are too up themselves to talk to City.[/p][/quote]Bpa are run by bradfordians,you have nothing to fear from them.let the others do the talking and we'll see what transpires. Northern,northern. Wanna Have
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8:08am Wed 26 Mar 14

axelf1963 says...

Told you
Told you axelf1963
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