Ralph Rimmer: "A crisis entirely of the club’s own making"

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Ralph Rimmer has hit back at Bradford Bulls Ralph Rimmer has hit back at Bradford Bulls

RFL Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer has issued the following statement in response to criticism of the governing body’s action during the most recent insolvency event at Bradford Bulls.

He said: “It is disappointing and disingenuous for Bradford Bulls to suggest that the RFL has acted in any manner other than fairly and properly throughout a crisis which is entirely of the club’s own making.

“The root cause of the current situation is the failed attempt by Mark Moore and Ryan Whitcut to use the club’s own money to purchase Bradford Bulls from Omar Khan, who had left the club in a parlous state.

“Had Mr Moore not refused to honour the agreement he signed to buy the club from Mr Khan, Bradford Bulls would not be where they are today.

“Throughout our dealings with them, the club’s directors were unable to provide any evidence of new capital investment into Bradford Bulls and consequently, the RFL Executive had no confidence in the business plan that was presented.

“At no stage was there a firm written commitment from the directors to meet the liabilities: in particular, HMRC would have been left with an unpaid liability of almost £170,000.

“In the last six months two other clubs have had to restructure their businesses, introduce new investment from owners and release players to avoid administration.

“For Bradford to effectively drop off debt as a result of the administration without a points deduction would have significantly impaired the integrity of the competition.

“At a meeting with the club’s directors on February 7 they informed the RFL that they needed a further £500,000 of investment or advances of broadcast monies in order to continue to trade.

“We have seen nothing further from the directors to suggest that situation has improved.  Indeed their business plan revealed yet another attempt to buy the club with its own money.

“We will continue to work with the administrator to find a solvent and viable solution for the club and will provide an update to the other First Utility Super League clubs at their scheduled meeting tomorrow.”
 

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6:33pm Tue 25 Feb 14

CHLOE220696 says...

What a cop out RFL never to blame it is run by people who do not understand the game only 5 clubs have any money well the game as a hole if you thinks the likes as feather stone Halifax will be better bet get real the 4 best supprted RFL you are disgrace to sport
What a cop out RFL never to blame it is run by people who do not understand the game only 5 clubs have any money well the game as a hole if you thinks the likes as feather stone Halifax will be better bet get real the 4 best supprted RFL you are disgrace to sport CHLOE220696
  • Score: -9

6:49pm Tue 25 Feb 14

gavskidoodle says...

So. How do bulls pay for there administration errors from before? Simple..... They pay by losing 6 league points + central funding for 24mths,simply b cos they didn't say they wud pay there creditors!! Wakey + london did + lost 4? So okay,this time we agreed to,yet low + behold,yet another 6 point deduction??? So how does this work???? The rfl simply don't want Bradford in super league!! Totally disgusted
So. How do bulls pay for there administration errors from before? Simple..... They pay by losing 6 league points + central funding for 24mths,simply b cos they didn't say they wud pay there creditors!! Wakey + london did + lost 4? So okay,this time we agreed to,yet low + behold,yet another 6 point deduction??? So how does this work???? The rfl simply don't want Bradford in super league!! Totally disgusted gavskidoodle
  • Score: -6

6:50pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Miss Doubtfire says...

The RFL may have a lot to answer for but what a truly damning indictment of the Moor regime. Pray to God that Richard Lamb is the real deal.
The RFL may have a lot to answer for but what a truly damning indictment of the Moor regime. Pray to God that Richard Lamb is the real deal. Miss Doubtfire
  • Score: 6

6:59pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Moore planned to buy the club with its own money. What a circus.
Those who slate the RFL should read this as this is about as close to the truth you will be told.
Moore planned to buy the club with its own money. What a circus. Those who slate the RFL should read this as this is about as close to the truth you will be told. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 9

7:02pm Tue 25 Feb 14

gordon ramsay says...

Totally agree

We are a club run by inept idiots who want to blame everyone else.

Moore is a fool and while ever people blame everyone else we will continue to be mocked. This is our mess. Close ranks and fight together. Oh wait, we're too bust lazily blaming everyone else.
Totally agree We are a club run by inept idiots who want to blame everyone else. Moore is a fool and while ever people blame everyone else we will continue to be mocked. This is our mess. Close ranks and fight together. Oh wait, we're too bust lazily blaming everyone else. gordon ramsay
  • Score: 9

7:09pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Moore and Co haven't put a bean in. Their investment appears on par with Sutcliffes.
RFL have firmly shut the door on Moore and co and if Lamb comes back the RFL could have done the Bulls the biggest favour ever.
Moore and Co haven't put a bean in. Their investment appears on par with Sutcliffes. RFL have firmly shut the door on Moore and co and if Lamb comes back the RFL could have done the Bulls the biggest favour ever. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 17

7:13pm Tue 25 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

So in the war of words we accept that the Bulls will see things in the eyes of the defence! Whereas the RFL see themselves in the eyes of the prosecuting council?
So what do we do as supporters, all we know is that we were moving in the right direction and it was beginning to look a bit like we as a club could fight to retain the status of a well run SL club once more.
How did we know this?
Well read this as a report, and take particular note of what the RFL spokesman said?
Then make up your own mind on what were we supposed to think?

Quote from the 31st Jan statement in the RFL>

On behalf of DFW Associates, Mr Wilson said: “Upon the sanction of the Rugby Football League, we will have concluded the sale of the club to Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd.
“It had not proved possible to resolve the ownership of the company with the previous owner and, as a result, the company’s financial position had become untenable.”
The club was then bought by Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd, a company run by those same directors, who insist the club's Super League status is secure.
Talks are now planned with the Rugby Football League as the Bulls aim to avoid a possible points deduction over the administration.

An RFL spokesman said: "The club has kept us informed all along. It is disappointing that the agreement we reached on January 9 has not been implemented and that the club has been left with no alternative but to take this course of action.

Unquote:

Now compare that to what Rimmer has said today, and note any discrepancies!
So in the war of words we accept that the Bulls will see things in the eyes of the defence! Whereas the RFL see themselves in the eyes of the prosecuting council? So what do we do as supporters, all we know is that we were moving in the right direction and it was beginning to look a bit like we as a club could fight to retain the status of a well run SL club once more. How did we know this? Well read this as a report, and take particular note of what the RFL spokesman said? Then make up your own mind on what were we supposed to think? Quote from the 31st Jan statement in the RFL> On behalf of DFW Associates, Mr Wilson said: “Upon the sanction of the Rugby Football League, we will have concluded the sale of the club to Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd. “It had not proved possible to resolve the ownership of the company with the previous owner and, as a result, the company’s financial position had become untenable.” The club was then bought by Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd, a company run by those same directors, who insist the club's Super League status is secure. Talks are now planned with the Rugby Football League as the Bulls aim to avoid a possible points deduction over the administration. An RFL spokesman said: "The club has kept us informed all along. It is disappointing that the agreement we reached on January 9 has not been implemented and that the club has been left with no alternative but to take this course of action. Unquote: Now compare that to what Rimmer has said today, and note any discrepancies! raisemeup
  • Score: 2

7:20pm Tue 25 Feb 14

rogerthat! says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Moore and Co haven't put a bean in. Their investment appears on par with Sutcliffes.
RFL have firmly shut the door on Moore and co and if Lamb comes back the RFL could have done the Bulls the biggest favour ever.
Will the players get paid this month??? Who is in Charge?? Presume all directors gone including Robbie?. What a mess , another Con using the Sky money to buy the Club ! None of the so call Knights involved these last 2 years had a Pot to ?iss in . As predicted, CLOWNS. Bring the Lamb on to the Slaughter.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Moore and Co haven't put a bean in. Their investment appears on par with Sutcliffes. RFL have firmly shut the door on Moore and co and if Lamb comes back the RFL could have done the Bulls the biggest favour ever.[/p][/quote]Will the players get paid this month??? Who is in Charge?? Presume all directors gone including Robbie?. What a mess , another Con using the Sky money to buy the Club ! None of the so call Knights involved these last 2 years had a Pot to ?iss in . As predicted, CLOWNS. Bring the Lamb on to the Slaughter. rogerthat!
  • Score: 10

7:27pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Letshavealook says...

Finally an official response from the RFL, and perhaps as near to the truth as we have had in at least two years. A collective group of disingenuous local businessmen with nothing to put in financially and trying to buy a club with no money and use more internal debt to pay for their poor business plan.
This debacle also falls at the feet of OK and an MP who very recently has gone very quiet. An independent enquiry should be held to see who exactly is culpable and when or if the £200k council loan is to be repaid. What part does the council leader Mr Green play in the loan and is there a connection with the Leeds businessman who apparently paid a large amount into the club in the last month. Is it a coincidence that his surname is also Green?

All in all, the recent talk as come to nothing. What do you have to say now Robbie?
Finally an official response from the RFL, and perhaps as near to the truth as we have had in at least two years. A collective group of disingenuous local businessmen with nothing to put in financially and trying to buy a club with no money and use more internal debt to pay for their poor business plan. This debacle also falls at the feet of OK and an MP who very recently has gone very quiet. An independent enquiry should be held to see who exactly is culpable and when or if the £200k council loan is to be repaid. What part does the council leader Mr Green play in the loan and is there a connection with the Leeds businessman who apparently paid a large amount into the club in the last month. Is it a coincidence that his surname is also Green? All in all, the recent talk as come to nothing. What do you have to say now Robbie? Letshavealook
  • Score: 7

7:35pm Tue 25 Feb 14

handoff says...

After decades of watching the ongoing incompetence of the RFL to effectively market this game (may I refer you to the posters on sides of lorries debacle), to run it with any sense of financial nouse or to come up with a playing structure not totally discredited by other sports, I tend to consider its pronouncements with scepticism.

My club destroyed ..... that, after all the words is the result. Cheers guys. Oh, and don't expect me to suddenly pouring my heart and cash into another club!
After decades of watching the ongoing incompetence of the RFL to effectively market this game (may I refer you to the posters on sides of lorries debacle), to run it with any sense of financial nouse or to come up with a playing structure not totally discredited by other sports, I tend to consider its pronouncements with scepticism. My club destroyed ..... that, after all the words is the result. Cheers guys. Oh, and don't expect me to suddenly pouring my heart and cash into another club! handoff
  • Score: 4

7:39pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Storck says...

gavskidoodle wrote:
So. How do bulls pay for there administration errors from before? Simple..... They pay by losing 6 league points + central funding for 24mths,simply b cos they didn't say they wud pay there creditors!! Wakey + london did + lost 4? So okay,this time we agreed to,yet low + behold,yet another 6 point deduction??? So how does this work???? The rfl simply don't want Bradford in super league!! Totally disgusted
Except they hadn't agreed to pay the creditors. They would not put it in writing and HMRC were going to be almost £200k short. not sure how that equates to paying the creditors.
[quote][p][bold]gavskidoodle[/bold] wrote: So. How do bulls pay for there administration errors from before? Simple..... They pay by losing 6 league points + central funding for 24mths,simply b cos they didn't say they wud pay there creditors!! Wakey + london did + lost 4? So okay,this time we agreed to,yet low + behold,yet another 6 point deduction??? So how does this work???? The rfl simply don't want Bradford in super league!! Totally disgusted[/p][/quote]Except they hadn't agreed to pay the creditors. They would not put it in writing and HMRC were going to be almost £200k short. not sure how that equates to paying the creditors. Storck
  • Score: -1

7:56pm Tue 25 Feb 14

vbfg says...

If this is the view held by the RFL then I don't understand why, less than a week ago, they okay'd their takeover of the club.
If this is the view held by the RFL then I don't understand why, less than a week ago, they okay'd their takeover of the club. vbfg
  • Score: 15

8:37pm Tue 25 Feb 14

AUGUST1964 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Moore planned to buy the club with its own money. What a circus. Those who slate the RFL should read this as this is about as close to the truth you will be told.
Do you really believe that either party have told you anything like the complete and transparent truth,if so youre a bigger amateur than I thought you were
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Moore planned to buy the club with its own money. What a circus. Those who slate the RFL should read this as this is about as close to the truth you will be told.[/p][/quote]Do you really believe that either party have told you anything like the complete and transparent truth,if so youre a bigger amateur than I thought you were AUGUST1964
  • Score: 5

8:41pm Tue 25 Feb 14

joejesrac says...

CHLOE220696 wrote:
What a cop out RFL never to blame it is run by people who do not understand the game only 5 clubs have any money well the game as a hole if you thinks the likes as feather stone Halifax will be better bet get real the 4 best supprted RFL you are disgrace to sport
From some one who enjoys the game and has the bulls at heart although a massive city supporter.

Is there no business person or persons who can see that the bulls name is massive in the game. Remember those nights and support when the the Paul's were at there very best.

I have worked in some of the best blue chip organisations within finance at director level- (coop/Toyota/Ford/Rt
z) - I need no reward and I am very genuine in my offer - if I can help the bulls in any way with my skill sets coupled with others I would gladly do so.

This is not am investment life line but a very genuine offer of my experience free of charge.

If city can draw 13,000 why can not the bulls - the city needs both clubs- May be the time has come for bulls fans who are against ground sharing to bit the bullet and for city fans to recognise just where the bulls are at present and offer a helping hand.



The future Is safe if bradford folk look after it - look,at city they have guys who fully believe in their clubs future - where are the genuine Bulls equivalent - not opportunists but genuine people?

Come on people of bradford look after each other
[quote][p][bold]CHLOE220696[/bold] wrote: What a cop out RFL never to blame it is run by people who do not understand the game only 5 clubs have any money well the game as a hole if you thinks the likes as feather stone Halifax will be better bet get real the 4 best supprted RFL you are disgrace to sport[/p][/quote]From some one who enjoys the game and has the bulls at heart although a massive city supporter. Is there no business person or persons who can see that the bulls name is massive in the game. Remember those nights and support when the the Paul's were at there very best. I have worked in some of the best blue chip organisations within finance at director level- (coop/Toyota/Ford/Rt z) - I need no reward and I am very genuine in my offer - if I can help the bulls in any way with my skill sets coupled with others I would gladly do so. This is not am investment life line but a very genuine offer of my experience free of charge. If city can draw 13,000 why can not the bulls - the city needs both clubs- May be the time has come for bulls fans who are against ground sharing to bit the bullet and for city fans to recognise just where the bulls are at present and offer a helping hand. The future Is safe if bradford folk look after it - look,at city they have guys who fully believe in their clubs future - where are the genuine Bulls equivalent - not opportunists but genuine people? Come on people of bradford look after each other joejesrac
  • Score: -2

8:47pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Moore planned to buy the club with its own money. What a circus. Those who slate the RFL should read this as this is about as close to the truth you will be told.
Do you really believe that either party have told you anything like the complete and transparent truth,if so youre a bigger amateur than I thought you were
It's all the RFL's fault, we are the victims. Say it enough and you start to believe it.

Trying to buy the club with the clubs money. No evidence of a bean invested, another rattle out of the pram episode.

We won't enter admin, we will get no points deduction, our squad is ringfenced. All he says turns to rubbish yet many treat his words as gospel.

I hope Lamb is the right man to step up and take the club forward. All the old guard need replacing and a fresh unconnected face needs to come in. Only then can confidence be rebuilt.
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Moore planned to buy the club with its own money. What a circus. Those who slate the RFL should read this as this is about as close to the truth you will be told.[/p][/quote]Do you really believe that either party have told you anything like the complete and transparent truth,if so youre a bigger amateur than I thought you were[/p][/quote]It's all the RFL's fault, we are the victims. Say it enough and you start to believe it. Trying to buy the club with the clubs money. No evidence of a bean invested, another rattle out of the pram episode. We won't enter admin, we will get no points deduction, our squad is ringfenced. All he says turns to rubbish yet many treat his words as gospel. I hope Lamb is the right man to step up and take the club forward. All the old guard need replacing and a fresh unconnected face needs to come in. Only then can confidence be rebuilt. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 1

8:55pm Tue 25 Feb 14

NAM1972 says...

Well done Rimjob. You just saved me a sky sports sub. Only ever got it to watch the Bulls. There was a huge game of rugby this weekend and it was not Wigan. RL in the UK is failing and you crucify a global brand. Looking forward to big Sam at centre. All the best Bulls fans, you are a credit.
Well done Rimjob. You just saved me a sky sports sub. Only ever got it to watch the Bulls. There was a huge game of rugby this weekend and it was not Wigan. RL in the UK is failing and you crucify a global brand. Looking forward to big Sam at centre. All the best Bulls fans, you are a credit. NAM1972
  • Score: 8

9:01pm Tue 25 Feb 14

billybobbull says...

joejesrac wrote:
CHLOE220696 wrote:
What a cop out RFL never to blame it is run by people who do not understand the game only 5 clubs have any money well the game as a hole if you thinks the likes as feather stone Halifax will be better bet get real the 4 best supprted RFL you are disgrace to sport
From some one who enjoys the game and has the bulls at heart although a massive city supporter.

Is there no business person or persons who can see that the bulls name is massive in the game. Remember those nights and support when the the Paul's were at there very best.

I have worked in some of the best blue chip organisations within finance at director level- (coop/Toyota/Ford/Rt

z) - I need no reward and I am very genuine in my offer - if I can help the bulls in any way with my skill sets coupled with others I would gladly do so.

This is not am investment life line but a very genuine offer of my experience free of charge.

If city can draw 13,000 why can not the bulls - the city needs both clubs- May be the time has come for bulls fans who are against ground sharing to bit the bullet and for city fans to recognise just where the bulls are at present and offer a helping hand.



The future Is safe if bradford folk look after it - look,at city they have guys who fully believe in their clubs future - where are the genuine Bulls equivalent - not opportunists but genuine people?

Come on people of bradford look after each other
I'll say it again....and I may not be correct, but there is a lot to be said for the community ownership model, similar Green Bay Packers. With talented management, and some medium sized backers, it could work.
Unless someone decent comes in, we may need to start thinking about it.
[quote][p][bold]joejesrac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHLOE220696[/bold] wrote: What a cop out RFL never to blame it is run by people who do not understand the game only 5 clubs have any money well the game as a hole if you thinks the likes as feather stone Halifax will be better bet get real the 4 best supprted RFL you are disgrace to sport[/p][/quote]From some one who enjoys the game and has the bulls at heart although a massive city supporter. Is there no business person or persons who can see that the bulls name is massive in the game. Remember those nights and support when the the Paul's were at there very best. I have worked in some of the best blue chip organisations within finance at director level- (coop/Toyota/Ford/Rt z) - I need no reward and I am very genuine in my offer - if I can help the bulls in any way with my skill sets coupled with others I would gladly do so. This is not am investment life line but a very genuine offer of my experience free of charge. If city can draw 13,000 why can not the bulls - the city needs both clubs- May be the time has come for bulls fans who are against ground sharing to bit the bullet and for city fans to recognise just where the bulls are at present and offer a helping hand. The future Is safe if bradford folk look after it - look,at city they have guys who fully believe in their clubs future - where are the genuine Bulls equivalent - not opportunists but genuine people? Come on people of bradford look after each other[/p][/quote]I'll say it again....and I may not be correct, but there is a lot to be said for the community ownership model, similar Green Bay Packers. With talented management, and some medium sized backers, it could work. Unless someone decent comes in, we may need to start thinking about it. billybobbull
  • Score: 2

9:13pm Tue 25 Feb 14

property man says...

billybobbull, I know what was said at the meetings, not saying how etc but I do, so how come it was on the advice of the rfl to put the ok crap into administration, and quote "you should only get 4 points deducted" if you think Mr Lamb is going to be your saviour, do some digging he,s already pulling the wool over your eyes, if the people in control of your sport continue to put the boot in causing more and more hardship by deducting points,virtual certainty relegation then down and down both the bulls and the sport will slide,look where Leeds Utd were and where they are now,for gods sake get rid of the knobs at the rfl give the sport a fighting chance, and the clubs
billybobbull, I know what was said at the meetings, not saying how etc but I do, so how come it was on the advice of the rfl to put the ok crap into administration, and quote "you should only get 4 points deducted" if you think Mr Lamb is going to be your saviour, do some digging he,s already pulling the wool over your eyes, if the people in control of your sport continue to put the boot in causing more and more hardship by deducting points,virtual certainty relegation then down and down both the bulls and the sport will slide,look where Leeds Utd were and where they are now,for gods sake get rid of the knobs at the rfl give the sport a fighting chance, and the clubs property man
  • Score: 5

9:34pm Tue 25 Feb 14

AUGUST1964 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Moore planned to buy the club with its own money. What a circus. Those who slate the RFL should read this as this is about as close to the truth you will be told.
Do you really believe that either party have told you anything like the complete and transparent truth,if so youre a bigger amateur than I thought you were
It's all the RFL's fault, we are the victims. Say it enough and you start to believe it. Trying to buy the club with the clubs money. No evidence of a bean invested, another rattle out of the pram episode. We won't enter admin, we will get no points deduction, our squad is ringfenced. All he says turns to rubbish yet many treat his words as gospel. I hope Lamb is the right man to step up and take the club forward. All the old guard need replacing and a fresh unconnected face needs to come in. Only then can confidence be rebuilt.
And you obviously can't read I asked you if you believe everything you read from ALL PARTIES in this affair,lived on your own for very long?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Moore planned to buy the club with its own money. What a circus. Those who slate the RFL should read this as this is about as close to the truth you will be told.[/p][/quote]Do you really believe that either party have told you anything like the complete and transparent truth,if so youre a bigger amateur than I thought you were[/p][/quote]It's all the RFL's fault, we are the victims. Say it enough and you start to believe it. Trying to buy the club with the clubs money. No evidence of a bean invested, another rattle out of the pram episode. We won't enter admin, we will get no points deduction, our squad is ringfenced. All he says turns to rubbish yet many treat his words as gospel. I hope Lamb is the right man to step up and take the club forward. All the old guard need replacing and a fresh unconnected face needs to come in. Only then can confidence be rebuilt.[/p][/quote]And you obviously can't read I asked you if you believe everything you read from ALL PARTIES in this affair,lived on your own for very long? AUGUST1964
  • Score: 2

9:44pm Tue 25 Feb 14

grizzly4578 says...

most successful club in super league history
best supported over 30 million in sky money
sympathy not a chance
nobodys fault but your but your own
run with the bulls to championship next year
most successful club in super league history best supported over 30 million in sky money sympathy not a chance nobodys fault but your but your own run with the bulls to championship next year grizzly4578
  • Score: 12

10:09pm Tue 25 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

I thought the RFL had given the Moore consortium the thumbs up, not sure how they now seem to hold a different view of them. Strange goings on.

Good luck to all Bulls fans from a BCFC fan, hopefully your club will survive this mess.
I thought the RFL had given the Moore consortium the thumbs up, not sure how they now seem to hold a different view of them. Strange goings on. Good luck to all Bulls fans from a BCFC fan, hopefully your club will survive this mess. bcfc1903
  • Score: 13

10:32pm Tue 25 Feb 14

NorthernBull says...

I dont want to go base ....

but RIMMER ...says it all FOR AND ABOUT THE RFL ... !!!!

I think he must now know he has a ground lease going spare ...and no club to play in or on it !!!!!

COY BNB2014
I dont want to go base .... but RIMMER ...says it all FOR AND ABOUT THE RFL ... !!!! I think he must now know he has a ground lease going spare ...and no club to play in or on it !!!!! COY BNB2014 NorthernBull
  • Score: 3

10:53pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Inki60 says...

These people that are supposed to be in the know,actually know nothing,the people trying to save this club have worked so hard over the last few months trying to get some sort of order into a complete mess not caused by them they have worked endless hours for nothing putting their own money into the club when needed they have sat hours and hours behind desks trying to un ravel mess after mess working week ends these men have businesses of their own but still tried because they love the club love rhe fans and have a passion for rugby and what happens when the are starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel they get dropped on from a great height with news like today's give the blokes a chance they can do it !!! Your using them as scale goats
These people that are supposed to be in the know,actually know nothing,the people trying to save this club have worked so hard over the last few months trying to get some sort of order into a complete mess not caused by them they have worked endless hours for nothing putting their own money into the club when needed they have sat hours and hours behind desks trying to un ravel mess after mess working week ends these men have businesses of their own but still tried because they love the club love rhe fans and have a passion for rugby and what happens when the are starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel they get dropped on from a great height with news like today's give the blokes a chance they can do it !!! Your using them as scale goats Inki60
  • Score: 3

11:22pm Tue 25 Feb 14

fash1966 says...

billybobbull wrote:
joejesrac wrote:
CHLOE220696 wrote:
What a cop out RFL never to blame it is run by people who do not understand the game only 5 clubs have any money well the game as a hole if you thinks the likes as feather stone Halifax will be better bet get real the 4 best supprted RFL you are disgrace to sport
From some one who enjoys the game and has the bulls at heart although a massive city supporter.

Is there no business person or persons who can see that the bulls name is massive in the game. Remember those nights and support when the the Paul's were at there very best.

I have worked in some of the best blue chip organisations within finance at director level- (coop/Toyota/Ford/Rt


z) - I need no reward and I am very genuine in my offer - if I can help the bulls in any way with my skill sets coupled with others I would gladly do so.

This is not am investment life line but a very genuine offer of my experience free of charge.

If city can draw 13,000 why can not the bulls - the city needs both clubs- May be the time has come for bulls fans who are against ground sharing to bit the bullet and for city fans to recognise just where the bulls are at present and offer a helping hand.



The future Is safe if bradford folk look after it - look,at city they have guys who fully believe in their clubs future - where are the genuine Bulls equivalent - not opportunists but genuine people?

Come on people of bradford look after each other
I'll say it again....and I may not be correct, but there is a lot to be said for the community ownership model, similar Green Bay Packers. With talented management, and some medium sized backers, it could work.
Unless someone decent comes in, we may need to start thinking about it.
Simple solution to our long running Bradford rugby league nightmare is for the 8,000 regular supporters to dip into our own pockets and as alluded to above run the professional Bradford rugby league club as a supporters trust.
I for one would be prepared to deposit £1000 into a fund to A; purchase the club and B; get the club through this season. If we as Bradford rugby league fans could encourage another 2000 fellow Bradfordians to do the same we would have a £2m fighting fund. I have a friend of many years who is n`t a rugby supporter hes a true salt of the earth Bradfordian who has assured me he would do the same. Are there another 1,998 Bradford rugby league fans out there who are prepared to put up?
[quote][p][bold]billybobbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joejesrac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHLOE220696[/bold] wrote: What a cop out RFL never to blame it is run by people who do not understand the game only 5 clubs have any money well the game as a hole if you thinks the likes as feather stone Halifax will be better bet get real the 4 best supprted RFL you are disgrace to sport[/p][/quote]From some one who enjoys the game and has the bulls at heart although a massive city supporter. Is there no business person or persons who can see that the bulls name is massive in the game. Remember those nights and support when the the Paul's were at there very best. I have worked in some of the best blue chip organisations within finance at director level- (coop/Toyota/Ford/Rt z) - I need no reward and I am very genuine in my offer - if I can help the bulls in any way with my skill sets coupled with others I would gladly do so. This is not am investment life line but a very genuine offer of my experience free of charge. If city can draw 13,000 why can not the bulls - the city needs both clubs- May be the time has come for bulls fans who are against ground sharing to bit the bullet and for city fans to recognise just where the bulls are at present and offer a helping hand. The future Is safe if bradford folk look after it - look,at city they have guys who fully believe in their clubs future - where are the genuine Bulls equivalent - not opportunists but genuine people? Come on people of bradford look after each other[/p][/quote]I'll say it again....and I may not be correct, but there is a lot to be said for the community ownership model, similar Green Bay Packers. With talented management, and some medium sized backers, it could work. Unless someone decent comes in, we may need to start thinking about it.[/p][/quote]Simple solution to our long running Bradford rugby league nightmare is for the 8,000 regular supporters to dip into our own pockets and as alluded to above run the professional Bradford rugby league club as a supporters trust. I for one would be prepared to deposit £1000 into a fund to A; purchase the club and B; get the club through this season. If we as Bradford rugby league fans could encourage another 2000 fellow Bradfordians to do the same we would have a £2m fighting fund. I have a friend of many years who is n`t a rugby supporter hes a true salt of the earth Bradfordian who has assured me he would do the same. Are there another 1,998 Bradford rugby league fans out there who are prepared to put up? fash1966
  • Score: 6

11:40pm Tue 25 Feb 14

bradfordbronco says...

How many times have the RFL met with directors Bradford Bulls. It seem to me that they are telling the Directors one thing in private to convince them to take over the club then punishing them in public to somehow appease all the other clubs.

Blake Solly said tonight that other clubs such as London and Wakefield had lost players to pay off their bills. This isn't the case. London choose to release all their best players because David Hughes their owner said he didn't want to fund the club anymore. Wakefield lost a few players then signed some more. remember they are on Full Sky money + £50,000 from the Bulls money. The present board at Bradford put the entire squad up for sale and had to make redundancies to keep the club afloat on reduced sky funding. .In the end Bateman, Winterstein, Carvel and Sammut all left. The RFL even helped Hull rob them of Carvel money that was desperately needed by the Bulls.

Had the RFL been honest and said what they were going to do, I don't think the present board would have put so much time and effort into trying to turn the club around. They must be sick of it. Having followed the RFL advice only to be stabbed in the back when we could see light at the end of the tunnel.

Do the RFL actually want the club to survive. It would seem ridiculous to even suggest that the sports governing body would want one its members to fail and yet I feel the question needs answering. From what I can see (and i'm not the only one) It would seem there is some hidden agenda at work here.
How many times have the RFL met with directors Bradford Bulls. It seem to me that they are telling the Directors one thing in private to convince them to take over the club then punishing them in public to somehow appease all the other clubs. Blake Solly said tonight that other clubs such as London and Wakefield had lost players to pay off their bills. This isn't the case. London choose to release all their best players because David Hughes their owner said he didn't want to fund the club anymore. Wakefield lost a few players then signed some more. remember they are on Full Sky money + £50,000 from the Bulls money. The present board at Bradford put the entire squad up for sale and had to make redundancies to keep the club afloat on reduced sky funding. .In the end Bateman, Winterstein, Carvel and Sammut all left. The RFL even helped Hull rob them of Carvel money that was desperately needed by the Bulls. Had the RFL been honest and said what they were going to do, I don't think the present board would have put so much time and effort into trying to turn the club around. They must be sick of it. Having followed the RFL advice only to be stabbed in the back when we could see light at the end of the tunnel. Do the RFL actually want the club to survive. It would seem ridiculous to even suggest that the sports governing body would want one its members to fail and yet I feel the question needs answering. From what I can see (and i'm not the only one) It would seem there is some hidden agenda at work here. bradfordbronco
  • Score: 11

12:34am Wed 26 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
How many times have the RFL met with directors Bradford Bulls. It seem to me that they are telling the Directors one thing in private to convince them to take over the club then punishing them in public to somehow appease all the other clubs.

Blake Solly said tonight that other clubs such as London and Wakefield had lost players to pay off their bills. This isn't the case. London choose to release all their best players because David Hughes their owner said he didn't want to fund the club anymore. Wakefield lost a few players then signed some more. remember they are on Full Sky money + £50,000 from the Bulls money. The present board at Bradford put the entire squad up for sale and had to make redundancies to keep the club afloat on reduced sky funding. .In the end Bateman, Winterstein, Carvel and Sammut all left. The RFL even helped Hull rob them of Carvel money that was desperately needed by the Bulls.

Had the RFL been honest and said what they were going to do, I don't think the present board would have put so much time and effort into trying to turn the club around. They must be sick of it. Having followed the RFL advice only to be stabbed in the back when we could see light at the end of the tunnel.

Do the RFL actually want the club to survive. It would seem ridiculous to even suggest that the sports governing body would want one its members to fail and yet I feel the question needs answering. From what I can see (and i'm not the only one) It would seem there is some hidden agenda at work here.
Agree with your post BB!
I realised when Carvell left and the RFL registered him when he was still registered as a Bulls player that they had declared open season on our club and our players. What sort of message were they sending to all other SL clubs, if it wasn't come and pick what you want from this defunct club.

Are we saying then if the RFL get their buyer of choice, they will release the imposed sanctions and take the special measures away to allow our squad to be rebuilt?

How can we ever trust those people who are supposed to help our game survive and prosper. For example do you know the only person able to dismiss the CEO is the CEO? Him being the CEO of the RFL and Super league Europe as well. How many major PLCs are run in this way?
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: How many times have the RFL met with directors Bradford Bulls. It seem to me that they are telling the Directors one thing in private to convince them to take over the club then punishing them in public to somehow appease all the other clubs. Blake Solly said tonight that other clubs such as London and Wakefield had lost players to pay off their bills. This isn't the case. London choose to release all their best players because David Hughes their owner said he didn't want to fund the club anymore. Wakefield lost a few players then signed some more. remember they are on Full Sky money + £50,000 from the Bulls money. The present board at Bradford put the entire squad up for sale and had to make redundancies to keep the club afloat on reduced sky funding. .In the end Bateman, Winterstein, Carvel and Sammut all left. The RFL even helped Hull rob them of Carvel money that was desperately needed by the Bulls. Had the RFL been honest and said what they were going to do, I don't think the present board would have put so much time and effort into trying to turn the club around. They must be sick of it. Having followed the RFL advice only to be stabbed in the back when we could see light at the end of the tunnel. Do the RFL actually want the club to survive. It would seem ridiculous to even suggest that the sports governing body would want one its members to fail and yet I feel the question needs answering. From what I can see (and i'm not the only one) It would seem there is some hidden agenda at work here.[/p][/quote]Agree with your post BB! I realised when Carvell left and the RFL registered him when he was still registered as a Bulls player that they had declared open season on our club and our players. What sort of message were they sending to all other SL clubs, if it wasn't come and pick what you want from this defunct club. Are we saying then if the RFL get their buyer of choice, they will release the imposed sanctions and take the special measures away to allow our squad to be rebuilt? How can we ever trust those people who are supposed to help our game survive and prosper. For example do you know the only person able to dismiss the CEO is the CEO? Him being the CEO of the RFL and Super league Europe as well. How many major PLCs are run in this way? raisemeup
  • Score: 6

12:34am Wed 26 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
How many times have the RFL met with directors Bradford Bulls. It seem to me that they are telling the Directors one thing in private to convince them to take over the club then punishing them in public to somehow appease all the other clubs.

Blake Solly said tonight that other clubs such as London and Wakefield had lost players to pay off their bills. This isn't the case. London choose to release all their best players because David Hughes their owner said he didn't want to fund the club anymore. Wakefield lost a few players then signed some more. remember they are on Full Sky money + £50,000 from the Bulls money. The present board at Bradford put the entire squad up for sale and had to make redundancies to keep the club afloat on reduced sky funding. .In the end Bateman, Winterstein, Carvel and Sammut all left. The RFL even helped Hull rob them of Carvel money that was desperately needed by the Bulls.

Had the RFL been honest and said what they were going to do, I don't think the present board would have put so much time and effort into trying to turn the club around. They must be sick of it. Having followed the RFL advice only to be stabbed in the back when we could see light at the end of the tunnel.

Do the RFL actually want the club to survive. It would seem ridiculous to even suggest that the sports governing body would want one its members to fail and yet I feel the question needs answering. From what I can see (and i'm not the only one) It would seem there is some hidden agenda at work here.
Agree with your post BB!
I realised when Carvell left and the RFL registered him when he was still registered as a Bulls player that they had declared open season on our club and our players. What sort of message were they sending to all other SL clubs, if it wasn't come and pick what you want from this defunct club.

Are we saying then if the RFL get their buyer of choice, they will release the imposed sanctions and take the special measures away to allow our squad to be rebuilt?

How can we ever trust those people who are supposed to help our game survive and prosper. For example do you know the only person able to dismiss the CEO is the CEO? Him being the CEO of the RFL and Super league Europe as well. How many major PLCs are run in this way?
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: How many times have the RFL met with directors Bradford Bulls. It seem to me that they are telling the Directors one thing in private to convince them to take over the club then punishing them in public to somehow appease all the other clubs. Blake Solly said tonight that other clubs such as London and Wakefield had lost players to pay off their bills. This isn't the case. London choose to release all their best players because David Hughes their owner said he didn't want to fund the club anymore. Wakefield lost a few players then signed some more. remember they are on Full Sky money + £50,000 from the Bulls money. The present board at Bradford put the entire squad up for sale and had to make redundancies to keep the club afloat on reduced sky funding. .In the end Bateman, Winterstein, Carvel and Sammut all left. The RFL even helped Hull rob them of Carvel money that was desperately needed by the Bulls. Had the RFL been honest and said what they were going to do, I don't think the present board would have put so much time and effort into trying to turn the club around. They must be sick of it. Having followed the RFL advice only to be stabbed in the back when we could see light at the end of the tunnel. Do the RFL actually want the club to survive. It would seem ridiculous to even suggest that the sports governing body would want one its members to fail and yet I feel the question needs answering. From what I can see (and i'm not the only one) It would seem there is some hidden agenda at work here.[/p][/quote]Agree with your post BB! I realised when Carvell left and the RFL registered him when he was still registered as a Bulls player that they had declared open season on our club and our players. What sort of message were they sending to all other SL clubs, if it wasn't come and pick what you want from this defunct club. Are we saying then if the RFL get their buyer of choice, they will release the imposed sanctions and take the special measures away to allow our squad to be rebuilt? How can we ever trust those people who are supposed to help our game survive and prosper. For example do you know the only person able to dismiss the CEO is the CEO? Him being the CEO of the RFL and Super league Europe as well. How many major PLCs are run in this way? raisemeup
  • Score: 2

2:05am Wed 26 Feb 14

Danstarr69 says...

If what the RFL are saying is true then Bulls chairman Mark Moore sounds like a complete idiot!

1st he expected Omar Khan to give him the club shares for FREE when he took over the club, even though he had sign an agreement with Khan saying he would buy them.

Then he tried using the clubs own money to buy the club, not once but TWICE!

Its like me saying I want to buy your house...just give me access to your bank account details first!

Does he even have any money or what?
If what the RFL are saying is true then Bulls chairman Mark Moore sounds like a complete idiot! 1st he expected Omar Khan to give him the club shares for FREE when he took over the club, even though he had sign an agreement with Khan saying he would buy them. Then he tried using the clubs own money to buy the club, not once but TWICE! Its like me saying I want to buy your house...just give me access to your bank account details first! Does he even have any money or what? Danstarr69
  • Score: 3

7:30am Wed 26 Feb 14

bartsbull says...

This is a disgrace they have turned our once great club into a circus i feel for all the players and staff who have given there all and i would not blame anyone if they walk away

The point deducton i can understand we can get that back if we stick together as a club .
But these three people have no backbone to tough thing out they were not going to be given every thing on a plate
I thought these were tough business men and would stay till the end how wrong was i and others i do hope someone comes in and takes over and shows that tough mentality thats is what you need in this game s COYB
lets support the lads on Sunday
This is a disgrace they have turned our once great club into a circus i feel for all the players and staff who have given there all and i would not blame anyone if they walk away The point deducton i can understand we can get that back if we stick together as a club . But these three people have no backbone to tough thing out they were not going to be given every thing on a plate I thought these were tough business men and would stay till the end how wrong was i and others i do hope someone comes in and takes over and shows that tough mentality thats is what you need in this game s COYB lets support the lads on Sunday bartsbull
  • Score: -1

8:36am Wed 26 Feb 14

NorthernBull says...

1 year of full 2015 sky money was all that was asked for !!!!!

Who said no and wanted that half for themselves ? ---- The RFL

A REQUEST AND PLAN by people , without money to invest i grant , but with a real passion for the club to get through the year and to a better place ...

not a debt write off with the full tv money request (500k) .. a years survival plan ... asking the RFL to move its debt collection business into hold a year or two, or spread it over a couple of years from 2016 when the tv money doubles ..

So now the RFL can carry the ground lease forever OR HOPE A CHARITY WILL BY IT OFF THEM AND TAKE A £2 MILLION hit on the bulls over the next 2 years , but i for one will not watch the bulls again until that ground lease is handed back by the treachorous RFL.

The governing body playing poker with all these fantastic Bradford fans who endure daily one of the poorest Cities in the uk with all its woeful decline and depravation .. and now this , one of its two sporting shining lights is gambled by its own governing body !!

Millionaire sugar daddy sports fans dont exist or live in Bradford .. they leave and forget their roots as soon as possible .. There are no buyers who care a jot about Bradford RL ....

When you (RFL) have been party to soling the dirty washing , you should take more care than to wash it in public - Shame on you RFL ...
1 year of full 2015 sky money was all that was asked for !!!!! Who said no and wanted that half for themselves ? ---- The RFL A REQUEST AND PLAN by people , without money to invest i grant , but with a real passion for the club to get through the year and to a better place ... not a debt write off with the full tv money request (500k) .. a years survival plan ... asking the RFL to move its debt collection business into hold a year or two, or spread it over a couple of years from 2016 when the tv money doubles .. So now the RFL can carry the ground lease forever OR HOPE A CHARITY WILL BY IT OFF THEM AND TAKE A £2 MILLION hit on the bulls over the next 2 years , but i for one will not watch the bulls again until that ground lease is handed back by the treachorous RFL. The governing body playing poker with all these fantastic Bradford fans who endure daily one of the poorest Cities in the uk with all its woeful decline and depravation .. and now this , one of its two sporting shining lights is gambled by its own governing body !! Millionaire sugar daddy sports fans dont exist or live in Bradford .. they leave and forget their roots as soon as possible .. There are no buyers who care a jot about Bradford RL .... When you (RFL) have been party to soling the dirty washing , you should take more care than to wash it in public - Shame on you RFL ... NorthernBull
  • Score: 3

9:23am Wed 26 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

NorthernBull wrote:
1 year of full 2015 sky money was all that was asked for !!!!!

Who said no and wanted that half for themselves ? ---- The RFL

A REQUEST AND PLAN by people , without money to invest i grant , but with a real passion for the club to get through the year and to a better place ...

not a debt write off with the full tv money request (500k) .. a years survival plan ... asking the RFL to move its debt collection business into hold a year or two, or spread it over a couple of years from 2016 when the tv money doubles ..

So now the RFL can carry the ground lease forever OR HOPE A CHARITY WILL BY IT OFF THEM AND TAKE A £2 MILLION hit on the bulls over the next 2 years , but i for one will not watch the bulls again until that ground lease is handed back by the treachorous RFL.

The governing body playing poker with all these fantastic Bradford fans who endure daily one of the poorest Cities in the uk with all its woeful decline and depravation .. and now this , one of its two sporting shining lights is gambled by its own governing body !!

Millionaire sugar daddy sports fans dont exist or live in Bradford .. they leave and forget their roots as soon as possible .. There are no buyers who care a jot about Bradford RL ....

When you (RFL) have been party to soling the dirty washing , you should take more care than to wash it in public - Shame on you RFL ...
Absolutely spot on. It's a badly run and poor business model that allows it's spokespeople to bandy figures about a private negotiation theoretically behind what should be closed doors, and therefore confidential!

In my career dealings with large multi nationals if the company I worked for divulged any financial matters that wasn't authorised at board level.
They would have faced a lawsuit that would have seen many heads roll.
Maybe the spokesman is expendable? I notice the head honcho is very quiet on the subject, must be very busy making the bullets?

Personally on a slightly different tack, I don't think the points deduction is the main problem, it's the "special measures" that will not allow us to strengthen our squad in 2014, so a couple more injuries like that suffered by Lee Gaskell will effectively see us in the relegation Zone by mid season, plus if the Directors of our club who have their own business are already classed by the RFL as not being fit and proper, by implication anyway. They have rightly stated they have no choice in the matter to step away in favour of saving their own business reputations.

So Shame indeed on the RFL hierarchy. the saying being: " Companies are judged by the people they keep" which may apply to the ruling body in our game, a survey of supporters may give us a definitive answer.

My case rests!
[quote][p][bold]NorthernBull[/bold] wrote: 1 year of full 2015 sky money was all that was asked for !!!!! Who said no and wanted that half for themselves ? ---- The RFL A REQUEST AND PLAN by people , without money to invest i grant , but with a real passion for the club to get through the year and to a better place ... not a debt write off with the full tv money request (500k) .. a years survival plan ... asking the RFL to move its debt collection business into hold a year or two, or spread it over a couple of years from 2016 when the tv money doubles .. So now the RFL can carry the ground lease forever OR HOPE A CHARITY WILL BY IT OFF THEM AND TAKE A £2 MILLION hit on the bulls over the next 2 years , but i for one will not watch the bulls again until that ground lease is handed back by the treachorous RFL. The governing body playing poker with all these fantastic Bradford fans who endure daily one of the poorest Cities in the uk with all its woeful decline and depravation .. and now this , one of its two sporting shining lights is gambled by its own governing body !! Millionaire sugar daddy sports fans dont exist or live in Bradford .. they leave and forget their roots as soon as possible .. There are no buyers who care a jot about Bradford RL .... When you (RFL) have been party to soling the dirty washing , you should take more care than to wash it in public - Shame on you RFL ...[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on. It's a badly run and poor business model that allows it's spokespeople to bandy figures about a private negotiation theoretically behind what should be closed doors, and therefore confidential! In my career dealings with large multi nationals if the company I worked for divulged any financial matters that wasn't authorised at board level. They would have faced a lawsuit that would have seen many heads roll. Maybe the spokesman is expendable? I notice the head honcho is very quiet on the subject, must be very busy making the bullets? Personally on a slightly different tack, I don't think the points deduction is the main problem, it's the "special measures" that will not allow us to strengthen our squad in 2014, so a couple more injuries like that suffered by Lee Gaskell will effectively see us in the relegation Zone by mid season, plus if the Directors of our club who have their own business are already classed by the RFL as not being fit and proper, by implication anyway. They have rightly stated they have no choice in the matter to step away in favour of saving their own business reputations. So Shame indeed on the RFL hierarchy. the saying being: " Companies are judged by the people they keep" which may apply to the ruling body in our game, a survey of supporters may give us a definitive answer. My case rests! raisemeup
  • Score: -1

10:23am Wed 26 Feb 14

realcitygent says...

why should bcfc help out ,city offered ground sharing but bulls refused ,get your own house in order ,bulls over the years have had so much help from council and you still cant get it right, city fans imo dont care i dont, maybe parttime rugby may be the way forward start again from fresh ,if you carry on again were is the money going to come from ,bradford council need the money to build another paddling pool for the perverts
why should bcfc help out ,city offered ground sharing but bulls refused ,get your own house in order ,bulls over the years have had so much help from council and you still cant get it right, city fans imo dont care i dont, maybe parttime rugby may be the way forward start again from fresh ,if you carry on again were is the money going to come from ,bradford council need the money to build another paddling pool for the perverts realcitygent
  • Score: 0

12:31pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Inki60 says...

bartsbull wrote:
This is a disgrace they have turned our once great club into a circus i feel for all the players and staff who have given there all and i would not blame anyone if they walk away

The point deducton i can understand we can get that back if we stick together as a club .
But these three people have no backbone to tough thing out they were not going to be given every thing on a plate
I thought these were tough business men and would stay till the end how wrong was i and others i do hope someone comes in and takes over and shows that tough mentality thats is what you need in this game s COYB
lets support the lads on Sunday
These people have back bone they would nt have taken it over in the first place would you have done
[quote][p][bold]bartsbull[/bold] wrote: This is a disgrace they have turned our once great club into a circus i feel for all the players and staff who have given there all and i would not blame anyone if they walk away The point deducton i can understand we can get that back if we stick together as a club . But these three people have no backbone to tough thing out they were not going to be given every thing on a plate I thought these were tough business men and would stay till the end how wrong was i and others i do hope someone comes in and takes over and shows that tough mentality thats is what you need in this game s COYB lets support the lads on Sunday[/p][/quote]These people have back bone they would nt have taken it over in the first place would you have done Inki60
  • Score: 2

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