Andrew Davies demands Bradford City players put bodies on line in dogfight

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Andrew Davies in action during City’s midweek defeat at Carlisle Andrew Davies in action during City’s midweek defeat at Carlisle

Andrew Davies today issued a rallying cry to help drag City out of their slide down League One.

Tuesday’s defeat at Carlisle was their 13th game without a win and leaves Phil Parkinson’s side hovering nervously in the bottom half.

But Davies stressed he was up for the “dogfight” – and demanded the same from all those around him.

The defensive lynchpin said: “This run affects everybody; the manager, the players, the staff and the fans. You can see that.

“We are all in this and that’s why we have to stick together.

“I’m willing to dig as deep as possible to get results for this team. I will put my body on the line and it’s up to everyone to do the same.

“It doesn’t matter whether you’re loan players, contracts are running out or you’ve got another one or two years after this.

“We are in a major dogfight and it needs every single one of us to give it all we can.”

Parkinson’s own position is starting to be questioned by some fans. A year on from steering City to an unprecedented place in the Capital One Cup final, the manager is battling to reverse a terrible run of only one win from 21 games.

Davies said: “That’s the way football is. It can be ruthless. But this is really the first period since I’ve been here when the results have been so poor.

“The manager has done some fantastic things at this club. He has changed the mentality of the place.

“When I first came in, he had a lot of players he had to get out to bring in the ones he wanted. He transformed the whole ethos of the football club.

“For me, Phil Parkinson is a fantastic manager. He is a fighter like me and wants to win and I’ve got no doubts he will get us out of this.

“Get one win under our belts and I’m sure things will change. Every player at this club has got to stand up and be counted.”

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9:13am Thu 13 Feb 14

whisky1 says...

Exactly the right sentiment players supporters and management to pull together and quit the sniping
Exactly the right sentiment players supporters and management to pull together and quit the sniping whisky1
  • Score: 43

9:22am Thu 13 Feb 14

Michael Clayton says...

whisky1 wrote:
Exactly the right sentiment players supporters and management to pull together and quit the sniping
I support your view but I am not aware of any sniping going on?
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Exactly the right sentiment players supporters and management to pull together and quit the sniping[/p][/quote]I support your view but I am not aware of any sniping going on? Michael Clayton
  • Score: -11

9:28am Thu 13 Feb 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
whisky1 wrote: Exactly the right sentiment players supporters and management to pull together and quit the sniping
I support your view but I am not aware of any sniping going on?
I think he means from supporters. Looking at the comments under yesterday's article there was bucket loads of it!
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Exactly the right sentiment players supporters and management to pull together and quit the sniping[/p][/quote]I support your view but I am not aware of any sniping going on?[/p][/quote]I think he means from supporters. Looking at the comments under yesterday's article there was bucket loads of it! Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 19

9:35am Thu 13 Feb 14

Freddy says...

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Wondering if pitch will be OK on Tuesday?.
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The ground staff used to put large black tarpaulin sheets on the pitch.
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City will come out of this very long win less period. But it calls for total bravery from everyone at the Club. Parky--needs to trust his judgement and create the same determination in the Squad--That he developed last Season.
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* Wondering if pitch will be OK on Tuesday?. * The ground staff used to put large black tarpaulin sheets on the pitch. * City will come out of this very long win less period. But it calls for total bravery from everyone at the Club. Parky--needs to trust his judgement and create the same determination in the Squad--That he developed last Season. * Freddy
  • Score: 9

9:39am Thu 13 Feb 14

Michael Clayton says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
whisky1 wrote: Exactly the right sentiment players supporters and management to pull together and quit the sniping
I support your view but I am not aware of any sniping going on?
I think he means from supporters. Looking at the comments under yesterday's article there was bucket loads of it!
I realised that.

Hopefully, you will understand what I was up to!

Certainly no reflection on 'whisky1' - a sound character.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Exactly the right sentiment players supporters and management to pull together and quit the sniping[/p][/quote]I support your view but I am not aware of any sniping going on?[/p][/quote]I think he means from supporters. Looking at the comments under yesterday's article there was bucket loads of it![/p][/quote]I realised that. Hopefully, you will understand what I was up to! Certainly no reflection on 'whisky1' - a sound character. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 10

9:53am Thu 13 Feb 14

joejesrac says...

whisky1 wrote:
Exactly the right sentiment players supporters and management to pull together and quit the sniping
Most would agree entirely with your comments- including me.
But to only win 1 game in 21 matches shakes the very foundations of that belief and that all is well down at BCFC.
Without doubt the past 12 months have delivered some remarkable days for a BCFC supporter - but the last two months are beginning to resemble what was the "norm" prior to PP arrival.
Something now has to change to drive a change that is so desperately needed - the Board will be fully aware of that and lets hope thats with PP in place - we have to recognise we are in the "now" and its not a good place.
Davies is right it needs a fully committed non flinching approach.
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Exactly the right sentiment players supporters and management to pull together and quit the sniping[/p][/quote]Most would agree entirely with your comments- including me. But to only win 1 game in 21 matches shakes the very foundations of that belief and that all is well down at BCFC. Without doubt the past 12 months have delivered some remarkable days for a BCFC supporter - but the last two months are beginning to resemble what was the "norm" prior to PP arrival. Something now has to change to drive a change that is so desperately needed - the Board will be fully aware of that and lets hope thats with PP in place - we have to recognise we are in the "now" and its not a good place. Davies is right it needs a fully committed non flinching approach. joejesrac
  • Score: 13

9:59am Thu 13 Feb 14

CGUM79 says...

If we were getting paggered 4 or 5 each game throughout this winless run then there would be cause for concern but no we are drawing far too many that potentially we should win , the table don't lie. 14 draws is a hell of a lot. Just that bit more of a killer instinct and maybe one or two players gambling a bit more to try and turn the draws into wins.
If we were getting paggered 4 or 5 each game throughout this winless run then there would be cause for concern but no we are drawing far too many that potentially we should win , the table don't lie. 14 draws is a hell of a lot. Just that bit more of a killer instinct and maybe one or two players gambling a bit more to try and turn the draws into wins. CGUM79
  • Score: 23

10:05am Thu 13 Feb 14

gordon ramsay says...

week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things....

as the saying goes...

"a little less talking and a lot more action"

lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper
week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things.... as the saying goes... "a little less talking and a lot more action" lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper gordon ramsay
  • Score: -2

10:16am Thu 13 Feb 14

Peter300 says...

Freddy wrote:
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Wondering if pitch will be OK on Tuesday?.
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The ground staff used to put large black tarpaulin sheets on the pitch.
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City will come out of this very long win less period. But it calls for total bravery from everyone at the Club. Parky--needs to trust his judgement and create the same determination in the Squad--That he developed last Season.
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I think the black covers were to protect the pitch from frost and were first introduced when City moved back to Valley Parade. They proved to be very effective over the years. I don't believe to date there is any question about the determination of the team from most reasonable people. That was in evidence last Saturday. No instructions for Nick Allamby this morning?
[quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: * Wondering if pitch will be OK on Tuesday?. * The ground staff used to put large black tarpaulin sheets on the pitch. * City will come out of this very long win less period. But it calls for total bravery from everyone at the Club. Parky--needs to trust his judgement and create the same determination in the Squad--That he developed last Season. *[/p][/quote]I think the black covers were to protect the pitch from frost and were first introduced when City moved back to Valley Parade. They proved to be very effective over the years. I don't believe to date there is any question about the determination of the team from most reasonable people. That was in evidence last Saturday. No instructions for Nick Allamby this morning? Peter300
  • Score: 2

10:16am Thu 13 Feb 14

Peter300 says...

Freddy wrote:
*
Wondering if pitch will be OK on Tuesday?.
*
The ground staff used to put large black tarpaulin sheets on the pitch.
*
City will come out of this very long win less period. But it calls for total bravery from everyone at the Club. Parky--needs to trust his judgement and create the same determination in the Squad--That he developed last Season.
*
I think the black covers were to protect the pitch from frost and were first introduced when City moved back to Valley Parade. They proved to be very effective over the years. I don't believe to date there is any question about the determination of the team from most reasonable people. That was in evidence last Saturday. No instructions for Nick Allamby this morning?
[quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: * Wondering if pitch will be OK on Tuesday?. * The ground staff used to put large black tarpaulin sheets on the pitch. * City will come out of this very long win less period. But it calls for total bravery from everyone at the Club. Parky--needs to trust his judgement and create the same determination in the Squad--That he developed last Season. *[/p][/quote]I think the black covers were to protect the pitch from frost and were first introduced when City moved back to Valley Parade. They proved to be very effective over the years. I don't believe to date there is any question about the determination of the team from most reasonable people. That was in evidence last Saturday. No instructions for Nick Allamby this morning? Peter300
  • Score: 3

10:21am Thu 13 Feb 14

whisky1 says...

Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.
Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah. whisky1
  • Score: 13

10:24am Thu 13 Feb 14

Michael Clayton says...

gordon ramsay wrote:
week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things.... as the saying goes... "a little less talking and a lot more action" lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper
"Less talking" If nothing is reported, there will be complaints?

"More action" This infers a lack of effort?

These are a few quotes attributed through a local newspaper. I don't think it matters really.
[quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things.... as the saying goes... "a little less talking and a lot more action" lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper[/p][/quote]"Less talking" If nothing is reported, there will be complaints? "More action" This infers a lack of effort? These are a few quotes attributed through a local newspaper. I don't think it matters really. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 5

10:32am Thu 13 Feb 14

Michael Clayton says...

whisky1 wrote:
Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.
Perversely, the sniping you mentioned earlier is a good thing if it keeps the negative vibes away from the match day.
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.[/p][/quote]Perversely, the sniping you mentioned earlier is a good thing if it keeps the negative vibes away from the match day. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 8

10:36am Thu 13 Feb 14

joejesrac says...

whisky1 wrote:
Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.
as stated fully agree - but one win in 21 - entitles some degree of negativity - no matter what PP achieved in 2012-13 season.

Do not read negativity for concern - or honest appraisal of the situation- we can not live in the past.

Having said that - truly believe with such whole hearted individuals (including PP )we will be OK
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.[/p][/quote]as stated fully agree - but one win in 21 - entitles some degree of negativity - no matter what PP achieved in 2012-13 season. Do not read negativity for concern - or honest appraisal of the situation- we can not live in the past. Having said that - truly believe with such whole hearted individuals (including PP )we will be OK joejesrac
  • Score: 9

11:14am Thu 13 Feb 14

Michael Clayton says...

joejesrac wrote:
whisky1 wrote: Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.
as stated fully agree - but one win in 21 - entitles some degree of negativity - no matter what PP achieved in 2012-13 season. Do not read negativity for concern - or honest appraisal of the situation- we can not live in the past. Having said that - truly believe with such whole hearted individuals (including PP )we will be OK
The concept of 'last season' needs turning on its head. Until this penny drops there will continue to be a misunderstanding.

It is the negative critics that are judging Parkinson by comparing past to current results.

It is those in support of him that are not judging him in such a way.
[quote][p][bold]joejesrac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.[/p][/quote]as stated fully agree - but one win in 21 - entitles some degree of negativity - no matter what PP achieved in 2012-13 season. Do not read negativity for concern - or honest appraisal of the situation- we can not live in the past. Having said that - truly believe with such whole hearted individuals (including PP )we will be OK[/p][/quote]The concept of 'last season' needs turning on its head. Until this penny drops there will continue to be a misunderstanding. It is the negative critics that are judging Parkinson by comparing past to current results. It is those in support of him that are not judging him in such a way. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 10

11:30am Thu 13 Feb 14

lawsonio123 says...

I do not think we lack effort A lack of concentration at times yes and of course apart from Saturday a lack of goals Mr Parkinson is a good man he knows and feels for City The problem is a Manager lives or falls by Results which are not Good. However give him a bit of space and let us see after the next 4 games and give this man a bit more time before calling for his head again
I do not think we lack effort A lack of concentration at times yes and of course apart from Saturday a lack of goals Mr Parkinson is a good man he knows and feels for City The problem is a Manager lives or falls by Results which are not Good. However give him a bit of space and let us see after the next 4 games and give this man a bit more time before calling for his head again lawsonio123
  • Score: 6

11:30am Thu 13 Feb 14

KnightMcCall says...

whisky1 wrote:
Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.
I think that most of the players have been showing that commitment. Players/People have bad days, do silly things, make mistakes etc but PP's teams very rarely fail to put the effort in.

17 games is plenty for the team to get things going and I truly believe that they will. With regards to PP's recruitment, he has brought in many excellent players. He seems to be paying for the fact that the more recent ones have been less succesful but Reach is a fantastic signing so far, McClean looks strong and did need a run of games so I expect he will start firing very soon. (3 assists on Saturday remember). Bennet is also skillful and will have some great games for City.

As ever when things get tough at VP, there are the glass half empty brigade who just won't ackowledge any positives and focus 100% on the result. You and MC are of a rare breed who bring some rare perspective to the whole thing and weigh things up against the frustration that we all feel when results do not go our way. As MC has stated, I don't mind people having opinions but so much of the vitriol directed at individuals players or the manager is usually tripe and is never based on a rounded consideration.

We have good players, back them. We have a good manager, back him. Positivity breeds positivity just like it did last year.

Changing the manager is only advisable if the manager is no longer up for the battle. Otherwise it is just a gamble that usually costs clubs a lot of money.
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.[/p][/quote]I think that most of the players have been showing that commitment. Players/People have bad days, do silly things, make mistakes etc but PP's teams very rarely fail to put the effort in. 17 games is plenty for the team to get things going and I truly believe that they will. With regards to PP's recruitment, he has brought in many excellent players. He seems to be paying for the fact that the more recent ones have been less succesful but Reach is a fantastic signing so far, McClean looks strong and did need a run of games so I expect he will start firing very soon. (3 assists on Saturday remember). Bennet is also skillful and will have some great games for City. As ever when things get tough at VP, there are the glass half empty brigade who just won't ackowledge any positives and focus 100% on the result. You and MC are of a rare breed who bring some rare perspective to the whole thing and weigh things up against the frustration that we all feel when results do not go our way. As MC has stated, I don't mind people having opinions but so much of the vitriol directed at individuals players or the manager is usually tripe and is never based on a rounded consideration. We have good players, back them. We have a good manager, back him. Positivity breeds positivity just like it did last year. Changing the manager is only advisable if the manager is no longer up for the battle. Otherwise it is just a gamble that usually costs clubs a lot of money. KnightMcCall
  • Score: 27

12:17pm Thu 13 Feb 14

cookie_brighton says...

gordon ramsay wrote:
week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things....

as the saying goes...

"a little less talking and a lot more action"

lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper
Agree...........ACTI
ON speaks loder than words.
CTID
[quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things.... as the saying goes... "a little less talking and a lot more action" lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper[/p][/quote]Agree...........ACTI ON speaks loder than words. CTID cookie_brighton
  • Score: -4

1:17pm Thu 13 Feb 14

tinytoonster says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
joejesrac wrote:
whisky1 wrote: Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.
as stated fully agree - but one win in 21 - entitles some degree of negativity - no matter what PP achieved in 2012-13 season. Do not read negativity for concern - or honest appraisal of the situation- we can not live in the past. Having said that - truly believe with such whole hearted individuals (including PP )we will be OK
The concept of 'last season' needs turning on its head. Until this penny drops there will continue to be a misunderstanding.

It is the negative critics that are judging Parkinson by comparing past to current results.

It is those in support of him that are not judging him in such a way.
codswallop!
if you just judge him on this season its terrible form.
if you do not include last season he would have been sacked by xmas!
its the good work from last season thats giving him the leeway.
i think if we do not win any of next four games he will fall on his own sword.
either the squad is not up to it or the manager's tactics do not work.
you decide.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joejesrac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.[/p][/quote]as stated fully agree - but one win in 21 - entitles some degree of negativity - no matter what PP achieved in 2012-13 season. Do not read negativity for concern - or honest appraisal of the situation- we can not live in the past. Having said that - truly believe with such whole hearted individuals (including PP )we will be OK[/p][/quote]The concept of 'last season' needs turning on its head. Until this penny drops there will continue to be a misunderstanding. It is the negative critics that are judging Parkinson by comparing past to current results. It is those in support of him that are not judging him in such a way.[/p][/quote]codswallop! if you just judge him on this season its terrible form. if you do not include last season he would have been sacked by xmas! its the good work from last season thats giving him the leeway. i think if we do not win any of next four games he will fall on his own sword. either the squad is not up to it or the manager's tactics do not work. you decide. tinytoonster
  • Score: -9

1:31pm Thu 13 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

Great rallying call from Andrew Davies, It's tough times that show the real character of players, so far we've stuck at it on the pitch and off it. I wouldn't expect anything less from our case hardened support and from guys like Davies, good that he's trying to get those that are maybe faltering to go again. A class statement from a classy player. It's roll your sleeves up time!!!!
Great rallying call from Andrew Davies, It's tough times that show the real character of players, so far we've stuck at it on the pitch and off it. I wouldn't expect anything less from our case hardened support and from guys like Davies, good that he's trying to get those that are maybe faltering to go again. A class statement from a classy player. It's roll your sleeves up time!!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: 14

3:23pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Michael Clayton says...

tinytoonster wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
joejesrac wrote:
whisky1 wrote: Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.
as stated fully agree - but one win in 21 - entitles some degree of negativity - no matter what PP achieved in 2012-13 season. Do not read negativity for concern - or honest appraisal of the situation- we can not live in the past. Having said that - truly believe with such whole hearted individuals (including PP )we will be OK
The concept of 'last season' needs turning on its head. Until this penny drops there will continue to be a misunderstanding. It is the negative critics that are judging Parkinson by comparing past to current results. It is those in support of him that are not judging him in such a way.
codswallop! if you just judge him on this season its terrible form. if you do not include last season he would have been sacked by xmas! its the good work from last season thats giving him the leeway. i think if we do not win any of next four games he will fall on his own sword. either the squad is not up to it or the manager's tactics do not work. you decide.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Look at your statements: -

"If you just judge him on this season its terrible form."
That is exactly what you are doing,

"if you do not include last season he would have been sacked by xmas!". But you have to include last season. By virtue of a promotion the club is competing at a higher level. Naturally, it is going to be a harder challenge as is evidenced by a fall from 7th place (last season) to a current place of 13th (this season).

"its the good work from last season thats giving him the leeway." You are assuming that he is being given leeway but you do not know this. A more accurate explanation might be 'the good work since August 2011 that is recognised by a board that will not knee-jerk or panic because of some adverse results'..
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joejesrac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.[/p][/quote]as stated fully agree - but one win in 21 - entitles some degree of negativity - no matter what PP achieved in 2012-13 season. Do not read negativity for concern - or honest appraisal of the situation- we can not live in the past. Having said that - truly believe with such whole hearted individuals (including PP )we will be OK[/p][/quote]The concept of 'last season' needs turning on its head. Until this penny drops there will continue to be a misunderstanding. It is the negative critics that are judging Parkinson by comparing past to current results. It is those in support of him that are not judging him in such a way.[/p][/quote]codswallop! if you just judge him on this season its terrible form. if you do not include last season he would have been sacked by xmas! its the good work from last season thats giving him the leeway. i think if we do not win any of next four games he will fall on his own sword. either the squad is not up to it or the manager's tactics do not work. you decide.[/p][/quote]Are you being deliberately obtuse? Look at your statements: - "If you just judge him on this season its terrible form." That is exactly what you are doing, "if you do not include last season he would have been sacked by xmas!". But you have to include last season. By virtue of a promotion the club is competing at a higher level. Naturally, it is going to be a harder challenge as is evidenced by a fall from 7th place (last season) to a current place of 13th (this season). "its the good work from last season thats giving him the leeway." You are assuming that he is being given leeway but you do not know this. A more accurate explanation might be 'the good work since August 2011 that is recognised by a board that will not knee-jerk or panic because of some adverse results'.. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 9

3:35pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Cyprus Bantam says...

gordon ramsay wrote:
week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things....

as the saying goes...

"a little less talking and a lot more action"

lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper
Absolutely right! It was Jones prior to the Carlisle match now Davies prior to the Coventry game. Saying it is one thing - doing it is another. Let us be in the faces of the Coventry team from the start and play for 90 + minutes and not for the last 20 minutes or so
[quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things.... as the saying goes... "a little less talking and a lot more action" lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper[/p][/quote]Absolutely right! It was Jones prior to the Carlisle match now Davies prior to the Coventry game. Saying it is one thing - doing it is another. Let us be in the faces of the Coventry team from the start and play for 90 + minutes and not for the last 20 minutes or so Cyprus Bantam
  • Score: 4

4:34pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Michael Clayton says...

Cyprus Bantam wrote:
gordon ramsay wrote: week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things.... as the saying goes... "a little less talking and a lot more action" lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper
Absolutely right! It was Jones prior to the Carlisle match now Davies prior to the Coventry game. Saying it is one thing - doing it is another. Let us be in the faces of the Coventry team from the start and play for 90 + minutes and not for the last 20 minutes or so
"Less talking and a lot more action". Clichéd nonsense.

So you judge the players' approach to professional football through some loose quotes appearing as column inches in the local 'rag'?

By nature, the T&A has to produce articles but surely you (as a reader) are adept enough to realise that?

Do you not think the likes of Jones and Davies are not already busting a gut?
[quote][p][bold]Cyprus Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things.... as the saying goes... "a little less talking and a lot more action" lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper[/p][/quote]Absolutely right! It was Jones prior to the Carlisle match now Davies prior to the Coventry game. Saying it is one thing - doing it is another. Let us be in the faces of the Coventry team from the start and play for 90 + minutes and not for the last 20 minutes or so[/p][/quote]"Less talking and a lot more action". Clichéd nonsense. So you judge the players' approach to professional football through some loose quotes appearing as column inches in the local 'rag'? By nature, the T&A has to produce articles but surely you (as a reader) are adept enough to realise that? Do you not think the likes of Jones and Davies are not already busting a gut? Michael Clayton
  • Score: 5

4:48pm Thu 13 Feb 14

audal says...

A SQUAD of men being TOLD how to play a simple sport is pathetic. I.E. eleven men starts with 1=gk---2/3=fb----4/5
/6=hb---7/11=w---8/9
/10 =f... brings an attacking/midfield/d
efence system formation into play, if it is not working then the captain should alter on field style of play (sorry to my under 40's readers) Billy Bremner had full control whilst on the pitch and he didn't do too bad. my point being(?) if it is not going to plan ..P.P Then stop changing lik e for like and let the captain have is input. and if you must insist having big JIM at ch. then you should play him there or kept OLIVER
A SQUAD of men being TOLD how to play a simple sport is pathetic. I.E. eleven men starts with 1=gk---2/3=fb----4/5 /6=hb---7/11=w---8/9 /10 =f... brings an attacking/midfield/d efence system formation into play, if it is not working then the captain should alter on field style of play (sorry to my under 40's readers) Billy Bremner had full control whilst on the pitch and he didn't do too bad. my point being(?) if it is not going to plan ..P.P Then stop changing lik e for like and let the captain have is input. and if you must insist having big JIM at ch. then you should play him there or kept OLIVER audal
  • Score: -5

5:08pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Cyprus Bantam says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
Cyprus Bantam wrote:
gordon ramsay wrote: week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things.... as the saying goes... "a little less talking and a lot more action" lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper
Absolutely right! It was Jones prior to the Carlisle match now Davies prior to the Coventry game. Saying it is one thing - doing it is another. Let us be in the faces of the Coventry team from the start and play for 90 + minutes and not for the last 20 minutes or so
"Less talking and a lot more action". Clichéd nonsense.

So you judge the players' approach to professional football through some loose quotes appearing as column inches in the local 'rag'?

By nature, the T&A has to produce articles but surely you (as a reader) are adept enough to realise that?

Do you not think the likes of Jones and Davies are not already busting a gut?
Davies and Jones maybe busting a gut but it cannot be said for the rest of the team!
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyprus Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things.... as the saying goes... "a little less talking and a lot more action" lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper[/p][/quote]Absolutely right! It was Jones prior to the Carlisle match now Davies prior to the Coventry game. Saying it is one thing - doing it is another. Let us be in the faces of the Coventry team from the start and play for 90 + minutes and not for the last 20 minutes or so[/p][/quote]"Less talking and a lot more action". Clichéd nonsense. So you judge the players' approach to professional football through some loose quotes appearing as column inches in the local 'rag'? By nature, the T&A has to produce articles but surely you (as a reader) are adept enough to realise that? Do you not think the likes of Jones and Davies are not already busting a gut?[/p][/quote]Davies and Jones maybe busting a gut but it cannot be said for the rest of the team! Cyprus Bantam
  • Score: -7

5:14pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Michael Clayton says...

Cyprus Bantam wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
Cyprus Bantam wrote:
gordon ramsay wrote: week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things.... as the saying goes... "a little less talking and a lot more action" lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper
Absolutely right! It was Jones prior to the Carlisle match now Davies prior to the Coventry game. Saying it is one thing - doing it is another. Let us be in the faces of the Coventry team from the start and play for 90 + minutes and not for the last 20 minutes or so
"Less talking and a lot more action". Clichéd nonsense. So you judge the players' approach to professional football through some loose quotes appearing as column inches in the local 'rag'? By nature, the T&A has to produce articles but surely you (as a reader) are adept enough to realise that? Do you not think the likes of Jones and Davies are not already busting a gut?
Davies and Jones maybe busting a gut but it cannot be said for the rest of the team!
But you named them ! ?
[quote][p][bold]Cyprus Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyprus Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things.... as the saying goes... "a little less talking and a lot more action" lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper[/p][/quote]Absolutely right! It was Jones prior to the Carlisle match now Davies prior to the Coventry game. Saying it is one thing - doing it is another. Let us be in the faces of the Coventry team from the start and play for 90 + minutes and not for the last 20 minutes or so[/p][/quote]"Less talking and a lot more action". Clichéd nonsense. So you judge the players' approach to professional football through some loose quotes appearing as column inches in the local 'rag'? By nature, the T&A has to produce articles but surely you (as a reader) are adept enough to realise that? Do you not think the likes of Jones and Davies are not already busting a gut?[/p][/quote]Davies and Jones maybe busting a gut but it cannot be said for the rest of the team![/p][/quote]But you named them ! ? Michael Clayton
  • Score: 2

5:43pm Thu 13 Feb 14

torreyman says...

PP is a good man who is doing his best if everybody in this world did there best it would be a better place to live in you read al the letters and 8 out of 10 blame the manager he can only do so much when those players are on the field he is in there hands so come on give him chance we wont go down!!!
PP is a good man who is doing his best if everybody in this world did there best it would be a better place to live in you read al the letters and 8 out of 10 blame the manager he can only do so much when those players are on the field he is in there hands so come on give him chance we wont go down!!! torreyman
  • Score: 4

5:51pm Thu 13 Feb 14

gordon ramsay says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
Cyprus Bantam wrote:
gordon ramsay wrote: week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things.... as the saying goes... "a little less talking and a lot more action" lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper
Absolutely right! It was Jones prior to the Carlisle match now Davies prior to the Coventry game. Saying it is one thing - doing it is another. Let us be in the faces of the Coventry team from the start and play for 90 + minutes and not for the last 20 minutes or so
"Less talking and a lot more action". Clichéd nonsense. So you judge the players' approach to professional football through some loose quotes appearing as column inches in the local 'rag'? By nature, the T&A has to produce articles but surely you (as a reader) are adept enough to realise that? Do you not think the likes of Jones and Davies are not already busting a gut?
it is cliched nonsense which is why week after week it gets more painful!!

the point being made is that the players need to back it up on the pitch... never mind talking the talk, so out and do it!!

after saturday do we wheel darby out to say "we need to roll our sleeves up"... then before the MK dons we wheel doyley out to say "its time we broke the drought"...???

go out and do it!!!!! yes, a couple are busting a gut

i do beleive we will turn it around and i believe parky is the right man for sure. however, im growing tired of cheap talk
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyprus Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things.... as the saying goes... "a little less talking and a lot more action" lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper[/p][/quote]Absolutely right! It was Jones prior to the Carlisle match now Davies prior to the Coventry game. Saying it is one thing - doing it is another. Let us be in the faces of the Coventry team from the start and play for 90 + minutes and not for the last 20 minutes or so[/p][/quote]"Less talking and a lot more action". Clichéd nonsense. So you judge the players' approach to professional football through some loose quotes appearing as column inches in the local 'rag'? By nature, the T&A has to produce articles but surely you (as a reader) are adept enough to realise that? Do you not think the likes of Jones and Davies are not already busting a gut?[/p][/quote]it is cliched nonsense which is why week after week it gets more painful!! the point being made is that the players need to back it up on the pitch... never mind talking the talk, so out and do it!! after saturday do we wheel darby out to say "we need to roll our sleeves up"... then before the MK dons we wheel doyley out to say "its time we broke the drought"...??? go out and do it!!!!! yes, a couple are busting a gut i do beleive we will turn it around and i believe parky is the right man for sure. however, im growing tired of cheap talk gordon ramsay
  • Score: 0

5:54pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Michael Clayton says...

torreyman wrote:
PP is a good man who is doing his best if everybody in this world did there best it would be a better place to live in you read al the letters and 8 out of 10 blame the manager he can only do so much when those players are on the field he is in there hands so come on give him chance we wont go down!!!
If someone chooses to slag him off then at least they should give a credible explanation for doing so. Granted, we stand and fall by how we perform in the workplace but the guy is no exception to this. But it is all too easy to stick the boot in.
[quote][p][bold]torreyman[/bold] wrote: PP is a good man who is doing his best if everybody in this world did there best it would be a better place to live in you read al the letters and 8 out of 10 blame the manager he can only do so much when those players are on the field he is in there hands so come on give him chance we wont go down!!![/p][/quote]If someone chooses to slag him off then at least they should give a credible explanation for doing so. Granted, we stand and fall by how we perform in the workplace but the guy is no exception to this. But it is all too easy to stick the boot in. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 2

6:11pm Thu 13 Feb 14

realcitygent says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Great rallying call from Andrew Davies, It's tough times that show the real character of players, so far we've stuck at it on the pitch and off it. I wouldn't expect anything less from our case hardened support and from guys like Davies, good that he's trying to get those that are maybe faltering to go again. A class statement from a classy player. It's roll your sleeves up time!!!!
agree great rallying call from davis,but befor him it was jones and so on, we can make all the calls in the world ,but if our players are not good enough there is nothing we can do about it, parkys signings for this season have been a disaster ,surely know one can disagree ,he signed so many players then not played them ,forlan not given chance, taylor not given game ,gray only here for money and crap ,de vito injured or not even make bench ,bates to slow cant tackle ,we have mchugh to play in that position imo lot better player ,the list goes on,also yeates great player but parky wont play him sounds like the lad is **** off ,he would rather stick with reid who only has one good game in 10 cant say we will miss him now injured he cant cross ball off floor tomuch time on backside ,the lad reach is putting reid to shame already looks as though he will be great player no chance of us getting him, can anyone tell me why are goalscoring midfielder atkinson has not had a start when parky raving about him ,even when we get overrun in midfield leaves the lad sat on bench crazy ,how can people say its not parkys fault we are a mess ,he signs the players then tells us they not upto it
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Great rallying call from Andrew Davies, It's tough times that show the real character of players, so far we've stuck at it on the pitch and off it. I wouldn't expect anything less from our case hardened support and from guys like Davies, good that he's trying to get those that are maybe faltering to go again. A class statement from a classy player. It's roll your sleeves up time!!!![/p][/quote]agree great rallying call from davis,but befor him it was jones and so on, we can make all the calls in the world ,but if our players are not good enough there is nothing we can do about it, parkys signings for this season have been a disaster ,surely know one can disagree ,he signed so many players then not played them ,forlan not given chance, taylor not given game ,gray only here for money and crap ,de vito injured or not even make bench ,bates to slow cant tackle ,we have mchugh to play in that position imo lot better player ,the list goes on,also yeates great player but parky wont play him sounds like the lad is **** off ,he would rather stick with reid who only has one good game in 10 cant say we will miss him now injured he cant cross ball off floor tomuch time on backside ,the lad reach is putting reid to shame already looks as though he will be great player no chance of us getting him, can anyone tell me why are goalscoring midfielder atkinson has not had a start when parky raving about him ,even when we get overrun in midfield leaves the lad sat on bench crazy ,how can people say its not parkys fault we are a mess ,he signs the players then tells us they not upto it realcitygent
  • Score: 0

6:11pm Thu 13 Feb 14

realcitygent says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Great rallying call from Andrew Davies, It's tough times that show the real character of players, so far we've stuck at it on the pitch and off it. I wouldn't expect anything less from our case hardened support and from guys like Davies, good that he's trying to get those that are maybe faltering to go again. A class statement from a classy player. It's roll your sleeves up time!!!!
agree great rallying call from davis,but befor him it was jones and so on, we can make all the calls in the world ,but if our players are not good enough there is nothing we can do about it, parkys signings for this season have been a disaster ,surely know one can disagree ,he signed so many players then not played them ,forlan not given chance, taylor not given game ,gray only here for money and crap ,de vito injured or not even make bench ,bates to slow cant tackle ,we have mchugh to play in that position imo lot better player ,the list goes on,also yeates great player but parky wont play him sounds like the lad is **** off ,he would rather stick with reid who only has one good game in 10 cant say we will miss him now injured he cant cross ball off floor tomuch time on backside ,the lad reach is putting reid to shame already looks as though he will be great player no chance of us getting him, can anyone tell me why are goalscoring midfielder atkinson has not had a start when parky raving about him ,even when we get overrun in midfield leaves the lad sat on bench crazy ,how can people say its not parkys fault we are a mess ,he signs the players then tells us they not upto it
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Great rallying call from Andrew Davies, It's tough times that show the real character of players, so far we've stuck at it on the pitch and off it. I wouldn't expect anything less from our case hardened support and from guys like Davies, good that he's trying to get those that are maybe faltering to go again. A class statement from a classy player. It's roll your sleeves up time!!!![/p][/quote]agree great rallying call from davis,but befor him it was jones and so on, we can make all the calls in the world ,but if our players are not good enough there is nothing we can do about it, parkys signings for this season have been a disaster ,surely know one can disagree ,he signed so many players then not played them ,forlan not given chance, taylor not given game ,gray only here for money and crap ,de vito injured or not even make bench ,bates to slow cant tackle ,we have mchugh to play in that position imo lot better player ,the list goes on,also yeates great player but parky wont play him sounds like the lad is **** off ,he would rather stick with reid who only has one good game in 10 cant say we will miss him now injured he cant cross ball off floor tomuch time on backside ,the lad reach is putting reid to shame already looks as though he will be great player no chance of us getting him, can anyone tell me why are goalscoring midfielder atkinson has not had a start when parky raving about him ,even when we get overrun in midfield leaves the lad sat on bench crazy ,how can people say its not parkys fault we are a mess ,he signs the players then tells us they not upto it realcitygent
  • Score: 0

6:17pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Michael Clayton says...

gordon ramsay wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
Cyprus Bantam wrote:
gordon ramsay wrote: week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things.... as the saying goes... "a little less talking and a lot more action" lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper
Absolutely right! It was Jones prior to the Carlisle match now Davies prior to the Coventry game. Saying it is one thing - doing it is another. Let us be in the faces of the Coventry team from the start and play for 90 + minutes and not for the last 20 minutes or so
"Less talking and a lot more action". Clichéd nonsense. So you judge the players' approach to professional football through some loose quotes appearing as column inches in the local 'rag'? By nature, the T&A has to produce articles but surely you (as a reader) are adept enough to realise that? Do you not think the likes of Jones and Davies are not already busting a gut?
it is cliched nonsense which is why week after week it gets more painful!! the point being made is that the players need to back it up on the pitch... never mind talking the talk, so out and do it!! after saturday do we wheel darby out to say "we need to roll our sleeves up"... then before the MK dons we wheel doyley out to say "its time we broke the drought"...??? go out and do it!!!!! yes, a couple are busting a gut i do beleive we will turn it around and i believe parky is the right man for sure. however, im growing tired of cheap talk
Thanks for putting your point of view across (I hope this does not sound patronising. I am just pleased that you have put your cards on the table)

The T&A is using sound bites to reflect the general mood. Newsquest needs to sell papers. The whole process is manufactured and the editorial becomes somewhat inevitable. They (the players) are hardly going to say that everything is perfect or to have a go at a team-mate.

In these circumstances, I think it is unfair to criticise the players for making such obvious statements through a non-club source. The players will know the situation in the dressing room. And dare I say that Davies and Jones (without knowing them) are two of those who will be letting their feelings known.

If you do not think that they are all putting a shift in then fair enough. That is entirely down to you. I don't necessarily agree or disagree on that point.
[quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyprus Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: week after week a different player gets wheeled out to say similar things.... as the saying goes... "a little less talking and a lot more action" lets do it on the pitch instead of the columns of a newspaper[/p][/quote]Absolutely right! It was Jones prior to the Carlisle match now Davies prior to the Coventry game. Saying it is one thing - doing it is another. Let us be in the faces of the Coventry team from the start and play for 90 + minutes and not for the last 20 minutes or so[/p][/quote]"Less talking and a lot more action". Clichéd nonsense. So you judge the players' approach to professional football through some loose quotes appearing as column inches in the local 'rag'? By nature, the T&A has to produce articles but surely you (as a reader) are adept enough to realise that? Do you not think the likes of Jones and Davies are not already busting a gut?[/p][/quote]it is cliched nonsense which is why week after week it gets more painful!! the point being made is that the players need to back it up on the pitch... never mind talking the talk, so out and do it!! after saturday do we wheel darby out to say "we need to roll our sleeves up"... then before the MK dons we wheel doyley out to say "its time we broke the drought"...??? go out and do it!!!!! yes, a couple are busting a gut i do beleive we will turn it around and i believe parky is the right man for sure. however, im growing tired of cheap talk[/p][/quote]Thanks for putting your point of view across (I hope this does not sound patronising. I am just pleased that you have put your cards on the table) The T&A is using sound bites to reflect the general mood. Newsquest needs to sell papers. The whole process is manufactured and the editorial becomes somewhat inevitable. They (the players) are hardly going to say that everything is perfect or to have a go at a team-mate. In these circumstances, I think it is unfair to criticise the players for making such obvious statements through a non-club source. The players will know the situation in the dressing room. And dare I say that Davies and Jones (without knowing them) are two of those who will be letting their feelings known. If you do not think that they are all putting a shift in then fair enough. That is entirely down to you. I don't necessarily agree or disagree on that point. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 0

6:37pm Thu 13 Feb 14

midlandroad says...

CGUM79 wrote:
If we were getting paggered 4 or 5 each game throughout this winless run then there would be cause for concern but no we are drawing far too many that potentially we should win , the table don't lie. 14 draws is a hell of a lot. Just that bit more of a killer instinct and maybe one or two players gambling a bit more to try and turn the draws into wins.
I think this comment is totally correct. it is obvious that no wins in more than 20 games is a poor return but we have been unlucky in some games and not ruthless enough in others. our desire to stay up and kick on next year will be enough to see us stay up comfortably this season.
[quote][p][bold]CGUM79[/bold] wrote: If we were getting paggered 4 or 5 each game throughout this winless run then there would be cause for concern but no we are drawing far too many that potentially we should win , the table don't lie. 14 draws is a hell of a lot. Just that bit more of a killer instinct and maybe one or two players gambling a bit more to try and turn the draws into wins.[/p][/quote]I think this comment is totally correct. it is obvious that no wins in more than 20 games is a poor return but we have been unlucky in some games and not ruthless enough in others. our desire to stay up and kick on next year will be enough to see us stay up comfortably this season. midlandroad
  • Score: 3

6:45pm Thu 13 Feb 14

GenieBantam says...

16 games left

3 wins 5 draws
Or
4 wins 4 draws
Come on City you can do it!!!!!
Fortitudine
CTID!!!!
16 games left 3 wins 5 draws Or 4 wins 4 draws Come on City you can do it!!!!! Fortitudine CTID!!!! GenieBantam
  • Score: 3

11:05pm Thu 13 Feb 14

macca1969 says...

I personally think some people need to have a word with themselves. Parky showed his loyalty too us last year when his stock was high. It's time we as fans showed him that same loyalty now that times are hard. It pains me at the moment but I will support the manager and the team to the end
I personally think some people need to have a word with themselves. Parky showed his loyalty too us last year when his stock was high. It's time we as fans showed him that same loyalty now that times are hard. It pains me at the moment but I will support the manager and the team to the end macca1969
  • Score: 2

1:02am Fri 14 Feb 14

parader9991 says...

tinytoonster wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
joejesrac wrote:
whisky1 wrote: Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.
as stated fully agree - but one win in 21 - entitles some degree of negativity - no matter what PP achieved in 2012-13 season. Do not read negativity for concern - or honest appraisal of the situation- we can not live in the past. Having said that - truly believe with such whole hearted individuals (including PP )we will be OK
The concept of 'last season' needs turning on its head. Until this penny drops there will continue to be a misunderstanding.

It is the negative critics that are judging Parkinson by comparing past to current results.

It is those in support of him that are not judging him in such a way.
codswallop!
if you just judge him on this season its terrible form.
if you do not include last season he would have been sacked by xmas!
its the good work from last season thats giving him the leeway.
i think if we do not win any of next four games he will fall on his own sword.
either the squad is not up to it or the manager's tactics do not work.
you decide.
We were promoted having finished the season 7th in League 2, forget the achievements of the cup run and play offs. We then began the season with largely the same side. I accept our summer recruitment proved at least a little disappointing but given the investment made, don't you feel we are currently about as well placed in the league as could have been reasonably expected? Unreasonable expectations followed an exceptional start. In recent games some sloppy goals have been conceded costing points and we sometimes struggle to score. Not so far below reasonable expectations for the season to date to warrant sacking the current manager even if looked at in isolation without any thought given to his keeping us in the football league, providing two dream trips to Wembley and promotion!!
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joejesrac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.[/p][/quote]as stated fully agree - but one win in 21 - entitles some degree of negativity - no matter what PP achieved in 2012-13 season. Do not read negativity for concern - or honest appraisal of the situation- we can not live in the past. Having said that - truly believe with such whole hearted individuals (including PP )we will be OK[/p][/quote]The concept of 'last season' needs turning on its head. Until this penny drops there will continue to be a misunderstanding. It is the negative critics that are judging Parkinson by comparing past to current results. It is those in support of him that are not judging him in such a way.[/p][/quote]codswallop! if you just judge him on this season its terrible form. if you do not include last season he would have been sacked by xmas! its the good work from last season thats giving him the leeway. i think if we do not win any of next four games he will fall on his own sword. either the squad is not up to it or the manager's tactics do not work. you decide.[/p][/quote]We were promoted having finished the season 7th in League 2, forget the achievements of the cup run and play offs. We then began the season with largely the same side. I accept our summer recruitment proved at least a little disappointing but given the investment made, don't you feel we are currently about as well placed in the league as could have been reasonably expected? Unreasonable expectations followed an exceptional start. In recent games some sloppy goals have been conceded costing points and we sometimes struggle to score. Not so far below reasonable expectations for the season to date to warrant sacking the current manager even if looked at in isolation without any thought given to his keeping us in the football league, providing two dream trips to Wembley and promotion!! parader9991
  • Score: 0

8:35am Fri 14 Feb 14

Michael Clayton says...

parader9991 wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
joejesrac wrote:
whisky1 wrote: Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.
as stated fully agree - but one win in 21 - entitles some degree of negativity - no matter what PP achieved in 2012-13 season. Do not read negativity for concern - or honest appraisal of the situation- we can not live in the past. Having said that - truly believe with such whole hearted individuals (including PP )we will be OK
The concept of 'last season' needs turning on its head. Until this penny drops there will continue to be a misunderstanding. It is the negative critics that are judging Parkinson by comparing past to current results. It is those in support of him that are not judging him in such a way.
codswallop! if you just judge him on this season its terrible form. if you do not include last season he would have been sacked by xmas! its the good work from last season thats giving him the leeway. i think if we do not win any of next four games he will fall on his own sword. either the squad is not up to it or the manager's tactics do not work. you decide.
We were promoted having finished the season 7th in League 2, forget the achievements of the cup run and play offs. We then began the season with largely the same side. I accept our summer recruitment proved at least a little disappointing but given the investment made, don't you feel we are currently about as well placed in the league as could have been reasonably expected? Unreasonable expectations followed an exceptional start. In recent games some sloppy goals have been conceded costing points and we sometimes struggle to score. Not so far below reasonable expectations for the season to date to warrant sacking the current manager even if looked at in isolation without any thought given to his keeping us in the football league, providing two dream trips to Wembley and promotion!!
For fear of using a cliché, I think the term 'learning curve' is appropriate here.
Nobody could have predicted the lack of points since the end of September.

What is spilling out is a lot of frustration and concern. Just remember how far the team has come. On 26 February 2013 the team was 13th in League Two. It took a huge effort on everyone's part to overhaul that situation and that is what is required again; not least from the fans.
[quote][p][bold]parader9991[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joejesrac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.[/p][/quote]as stated fully agree - but one win in 21 - entitles some degree of negativity - no matter what PP achieved in 2012-13 season. Do not read negativity for concern - or honest appraisal of the situation- we can not live in the past. Having said that - truly believe with such whole hearted individuals (including PP )we will be OK[/p][/quote]The concept of 'last season' needs turning on its head. Until this penny drops there will continue to be a misunderstanding. It is the negative critics that are judging Parkinson by comparing past to current results. It is those in support of him that are not judging him in such a way.[/p][/quote]codswallop! if you just judge him on this season its terrible form. if you do not include last season he would have been sacked by xmas! its the good work from last season thats giving him the leeway. i think if we do not win any of next four games he will fall on his own sword. either the squad is not up to it or the manager's tactics do not work. you decide.[/p][/quote]We were promoted having finished the season 7th in League 2, forget the achievements of the cup run and play offs. We then began the season with largely the same side. I accept our summer recruitment proved at least a little disappointing but given the investment made, don't you feel we are currently about as well placed in the league as could have been reasonably expected? Unreasonable expectations followed an exceptional start. In recent games some sloppy goals have been conceded costing points and we sometimes struggle to score. Not so far below reasonable expectations for the season to date to warrant sacking the current manager even if looked at in isolation without any thought given to his keeping us in the football league, providing two dream trips to Wembley and promotion!![/p][/quote]For fear of using a cliché, I think the term 'learning curve' is appropriate here. Nobody could have predicted the lack of points since the end of September. What is spilling out is a lot of frustration and concern. Just remember how far the team has come. On 26 February 2013 the team was 13th in League Two. It took a huge effort on everyone's part to overhaul that situation and that is what is required again; not least from the fans. Michael Clayton
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8:40am Fri 14 Feb 14

tinytoonster says...

parader9991 wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
joejesrac wrote:
whisky1 wrote: Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.
as stated fully agree - but one win in 21 - entitles some degree of negativity - no matter what PP achieved in 2012-13 season. Do not read negativity for concern - or honest appraisal of the situation- we can not live in the past. Having said that - truly believe with such whole hearted individuals (including PP )we will be OK
The concept of 'last season' needs turning on its head. Until this penny drops there will continue to be a misunderstanding.

It is the negative critics that are judging Parkinson by comparing past to current results.

It is those in support of him that are not judging him in such a way.
codswallop!
if you just judge him on this season its terrible form.
if you do not include last season he would have been sacked by xmas!
its the good work from last season thats giving him the leeway.
i think if we do not win any of next four games he will fall on his own sword.
either the squad is not up to it or the manager's tactics do not work.
you decide.
We were promoted having finished the season 7th in League 2, forget the achievements of the cup run and play offs. We then began the season with largely the same side. I accept our summer recruitment proved at least a little disappointing but given the investment made, don't you feel we are currently about as well placed in the league as could have been reasonably expected? Unreasonable expectations followed an exceptional start. In recent games some sloppy goals have been conceded costing points and we sometimes struggle to score. Not so far below reasonable expectations for the season to date to warrant sacking the current manager even if looked at in isolation without any thought given to his keeping us in the football league, providing two dream trips to Wembley and promotion!!
the point is we are in a rut and sometimes you do not get out of it.
it needs a kick start.
if he is unwilling to change tactics to try get one how do you suggest we do it?
all clubs either change tactics or manager.
sad but true.
he just seems pig headed about how they play and that could be disaster.
[quote][p][bold]parader9991[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joejesrac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Fortunately the VP crowd has not yet reflected the negativity on here. If it does that's one sure way to undermine the team. PP recruitment since promotion has not worked as it should have but that does not negate his overall achievement. If everyone pulls together we will be fine. That goes for some players who need to show the same commitment and drive as Davo and Jonah.[/p][/quote]as stated fully agree - but one win in 21 - entitles some degree of negativity - no matter what PP achieved in 2012-13 season. Do not read negativity for concern - or honest appraisal of the situation- we can not live in the past. Having said that - truly believe with such whole hearted individuals (including PP )we will be OK[/p][/quote]The concept of 'last season' needs turning on its head. Until this penny drops there will continue to be a misunderstanding. It is the negative critics that are judging Parkinson by comparing past to current results. It is those in support of him that are not judging him in such a way.[/p][/quote]codswallop! if you just judge him on this season its terrible form. if you do not include last season he would have been sacked by xmas! its the good work from last season thats giving him the leeway. i think if we do not win any of next four games he will fall on his own sword. either the squad is not up to it or the manager's tactics do not work. you decide.[/p][/quote]We were promoted having finished the season 7th in League 2, forget the achievements of the cup run and play offs. We then began the season with largely the same side. I accept our summer recruitment proved at least a little disappointing but given the investment made, don't you feel we are currently about as well placed in the league as could have been reasonably expected? Unreasonable expectations followed an exceptional start. In recent games some sloppy goals have been conceded costing points and we sometimes struggle to score. Not so far below reasonable expectations for the season to date to warrant sacking the current manager even if looked at in isolation without any thought given to his keeping us in the football league, providing two dream trips to Wembley and promotion!![/p][/quote]the point is we are in a rut and sometimes you do not get out of it. it needs a kick start. if he is unwilling to change tactics to try get one how do you suggest we do it? all clubs either change tactics or manager. sad but true. he just seems pig headed about how they play and that could be disaster. tinytoonster
  • Score: -2

1:40pm Fri 14 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

realcitygent wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Great rallying call from Andrew Davies, It's tough times that show the real character of players, so far we've stuck at it on the pitch and off it. I wouldn't expect anything less from our case hardened support and from guys like Davies, good that he's trying to get those that are maybe faltering to go again. A class statement from a classy player. It's roll your sleeves up time!!!!
agree great rallying call from davis,but befor him it was jones and so on, we can make all the calls in the world ,but if our players are not good enough there is nothing we can do about it, parkys signings for this season have been a disaster ,surely know one can disagree ,he signed so many players then not played them ,forlan not given chance, taylor not given game ,gray only here for money and crap ,de vito injured or not even make bench ,bates to slow cant tackle ,we have mchugh to play in that position imo lot better player ,the list goes on,also yeates great player but parky wont play him sounds like the lad is **** off ,he would rather stick with reid who only has one good game in 10 cant say we will miss him now injured he cant cross ball off floor tomuch time on backside ,the lad reach is putting reid to shame already looks as though he will be great player no chance of us getting him, can anyone tell me why are goalscoring midfielder atkinson has not had a start when parky raving about him ,even when we get overrun in midfield leaves the lad sat on bench crazy ,how can people say its not parkys fault we are a mess ,he signs the players then tells us they not upto it
Reid doesn't have one good game in ten, that's garbage, he's a fantastic player. Yeats has been poor, I'm guessing Atkinson hasn't done it in training. I agree, Parkinson needed to up is game in regards to signings which he seems to have done in January. We are not a mess, what does that mean, we're thirteenth and lost nine games all season with a positive goal difference. Yes we're on a poor run, but a mess....hardly.
[quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Great rallying call from Andrew Davies, It's tough times that show the real character of players, so far we've stuck at it on the pitch and off it. I wouldn't expect anything less from our case hardened support and from guys like Davies, good that he's trying to get those that are maybe faltering to go again. A class statement from a classy player. It's roll your sleeves up time!!!![/p][/quote]agree great rallying call from davis,but befor him it was jones and so on, we can make all the calls in the world ,but if our players are not good enough there is nothing we can do about it, parkys signings for this season have been a disaster ,surely know one can disagree ,he signed so many players then not played them ,forlan not given chance, taylor not given game ,gray only here for money and crap ,de vito injured or not even make bench ,bates to slow cant tackle ,we have mchugh to play in that position imo lot better player ,the list goes on,also yeates great player but parky wont play him sounds like the lad is **** off ,he would rather stick with reid who only has one good game in 10 cant say we will miss him now injured he cant cross ball off floor tomuch time on backside ,the lad reach is putting reid to shame already looks as though he will be great player no chance of us getting him, can anyone tell me why are goalscoring midfielder atkinson has not had a start when parky raving about him ,even when we get overrun in midfield leaves the lad sat on bench crazy ,how can people say its not parkys fault we are a mess ,he signs the players then tells us they not upto it[/p][/quote]Reid doesn't have one good game in ten, that's garbage, he's a fantastic player. Yeats has been poor, I'm guessing Atkinson hasn't done it in training. I agree, Parkinson needed to up is game in regards to signings which he seems to have done in January. We are not a mess, what does that mean, we're thirteenth and lost nine games all season with a positive goal difference. Yes we're on a poor run, but a mess....hardly. bcfc1903
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