Nahki Wells future a dilemma for Bradford City finances

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Nahki Wells has set his sights on playing in the Championship next season Nahki Wells has set his sights on playing in the Championship next season

City will lose up to £1million on Nahki Wells if he is not sold during the current transfer window.

The striker is pinning his hopes on landing a dream move to a higher-division club and has rejected any moves from the Bantams to extend his current deal.

It is believed that City were prepared to make Wells their highest-paid player – but that offer has fallen on deaf ears.

By the summer, the much-admired striker will be entering the final year of his contract and his value will drop accordingly.

That is the fear for City and could impact on the wage bill that Phil Parkinson will have at his disposal for next season.

City can argue that they would not be in this position if the player had another 12 months on his contract.

The T&A understands that the club have spoken privately with Wells’ representative, asking what the offer would need to be to extend his current deal by just one more year.

But it was made very clear that the player’s heart is set on playing in the Championship next season and he would not accept any offer now because there was no guarantee of doing that with the Bantams.

City are therefore wrestling with the dilemma of cashing in on their prize asset now – and getting the best possible price – or hanging on to him until the summer and facing the knock-on effect to next season’s budget.

Given that the club boosted Parkinson’s wage bill this year with money earned from the Capital One Cup run, funds will need to be raised in order to maintain a similar competitive pot for 2014-15.

The £1million shortfall on Wells’ worth, should his contract tick into its last season and potentially within a year of walking away for nothing, could be the difference between another top-half wage bill in League One or not.

As it stands, City are expected to lose around £750,000 this season, which will focus the board’s thinking on their leading striker.

City have already knocked back one bid this week from an unnamed club. It was an improvement on the seven-figure offer from Peterborough that was rejected in July but fell short of what the club would consider.

A host of teams are being linked with the 15-goal hitman. Huddersfield, Wolves, Blackburn and QPR are understood to be keen and there has been interest indicated from two Premier League clubs.

But Leeds boss Brian McDermott appeared to cool talk of a possible switch to Elland Road. He said: “Nahki Wells is a good player but he plays for Bradford and Phil Parkinson is another good friend of mine. I imagine he would cost a lot of money.”

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8:42am Sat 4 Jan 14

cyn1cal says...

I remember when we let Dean Windass go half way through a season when he was probably our only hope of avoiding relegation. Is it worth a million to stay in this division this season?
I remember when we let Dean Windass go half way through a season when he was probably our only hope of avoiding relegation. Is it worth a million to stay in this division this season? cyn1cal
  • Score: -1

8:54am Sat 4 Jan 14

lozkel says...

its obvious he wants a move,so get shut now and get as much money as possible.
its obvious he wants a move,so get shut now and get as much money as possible. lozkel
  • Score: 33

8:56am Sat 4 Jan 14

bingley resident says...

Yep, let him go and get 3 players for the same money.
Yep, let him go and get 3 players for the same money. bingley resident
  • Score: 16

8:59am Sat 4 Jan 14

king karl says...

Exactly

if it looked like we was getting in the playoffs then keep him

but were not so ket him go a build for next season ... get some loan signings asap
Exactly if it looked like we was getting in the playoffs then keep him but were not so ket him go a build for next season ... get some loan signings asap king karl
  • Score: 12

9:44am Sat 4 Jan 14

ynotdunne says...

Starting to dislike some of the things.I hear about wells, won't talk to club heart set on championship next season! Loyalty Mr wells
Starting to dislike some of the things.I hear about wells, won't talk to club heart set on championship next season! Loyalty Mr wells ynotdunne
  • Score: 17

9:51am Sat 4 Jan 14

Sandy lane bantam says...

I wish people would stop comparing this year to the year we went down to league 2. There are some key differences. We were a club on a downward spiral, now were on the up. We had a muppet for a manager in Todd, we now have parky. We replaced said muppet with a player with no experience of coaching, we won't need to do that this time as we have parky. The squad we currently have is far better than the tripe wetherall inherited. They are together and I have no doubt will get us out of this run. Parky will be able to spend some of the money to replace wells, last time we weren't in a position to replace windass and jj.

All in all this is a very different situation. Concerning of late but let's have faith in the manager and squad that have achieved the impossible in the last 12 months.
I wish people would stop comparing this year to the year we went down to league 2. There are some key differences. We were a club on a downward spiral, now were on the up. We had a muppet for a manager in Todd, we now have parky. We replaced said muppet with a player with no experience of coaching, we won't need to do that this time as we have parky. The squad we currently have is far better than the tripe wetherall inherited. They are together and I have no doubt will get us out of this run. Parky will be able to spend some of the money to replace wells, last time we weren't in a position to replace windass and jj. All in all this is a very different situation. Concerning of late but let's have faith in the manager and squad that have achieved the impossible in the last 12 months. Sandy lane bantam
  • Score: 9

9:52am Sat 4 Jan 14

spearmint wino says...

Very disappointed in Wells, he or more importantly his agent should remember that only 18 months ago he was an unknown released by Carlisle until we gave him a chance.
He should now repay us by signing a contract extension with an agreement he can go in the summer. This way, hopefully, we won't be risking relegation and don't forget every season one team falls like a stone! And it also gives the manager time to replace Wells and balance the team in the summer as well.
Very disappointed in Wells, he or more importantly his agent should remember that only 18 months ago he was an unknown released by Carlisle until we gave him a chance. He should now repay us by signing a contract extension with an agreement he can go in the summer. This way, hopefully, we won't be risking relegation and don't forget every season one team falls like a stone! And it also gives the manager time to replace Wells and balance the team in the summer as well. spearmint wino
  • Score: 15

10:02am Sat 4 Jan 14

silverbantam says...

cyn1cal wrote:
I remember when we let Dean Windass go half way through a season when he was probably our only hope of avoiding relegation. Is it worth a million to stay in this division this season?
The difference was we had no money to replace Deano. Thus time we do.
[quote][p][bold]cyn1cal[/bold] wrote: I remember when we let Dean Windass go half way through a season when he was probably our only hope of avoiding relegation. Is it worth a million to stay in this division this season?[/p][/quote]The difference was we had no money to replace Deano. Thus time we do. silverbantam
  • Score: 0

10:05am Sat 4 Jan 14

Wrose bantam says...

I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist?

So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?)

So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..).

All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run?

The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...)
We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance).

I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated.

If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time.

I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss.
I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist? So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?) So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..). All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run? The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...) We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance). I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated. If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time. I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss. Wrose bantam
  • Score: 33

10:22am Sat 4 Jan 14

flashman says...

Wrose bantam wrote:
I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist?

So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?)

So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..).

All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run?

The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...)
We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance).

I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated.

If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time.

I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss.
Agree with Wrose Transparent accounting is what is required ! All this talk re Wells will devalue him now not just later !
[quote][p][bold]Wrose bantam[/bold] wrote: I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist? So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?) So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..). All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run? The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...) We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance). I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated. If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time. I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss.[/p][/quote]Agree with Wrose Transparent accounting is what is required ! All this talk re Wells will devalue him now not just later ! flashman
  • Score: 4

10:34am Sat 4 Jan 14

Bantambhoy says...

spearmint wino wrote:
Very disappointed in Wells, he or more importantly his agent should remember that only 18 months ago he was an unknown released by Carlisle until we gave him a chance.
He should now repay us by signing a contract extension with an agreement he can go in the summer. This way, hopefully, we won't be risking relegation and don't forget every season one team falls like a stone! And it also gives the manager time to replace Wells and balance the team in the summer as well.
Agree entirely with this comment but he obviously does not have any loyalty to City so we should cash him in. Am I wrong or is John Hendrie connected to him in some way?
[quote][p][bold]spearmint wino[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in Wells, he or more importantly his agent should remember that only 18 months ago he was an unknown released by Carlisle until we gave him a chance. He should now repay us by signing a contract extension with an agreement he can go in the summer. This way, hopefully, we won't be risking relegation and don't forget every season one team falls like a stone! And it also gives the manager time to replace Wells and balance the team in the summer as well.[/p][/quote]Agree entirely with this comment but he obviously does not have any loyalty to City so we should cash him in. Am I wrong or is John Hendrie connected to him in some way? Bantambhoy
  • Score: 0

10:46am Sat 4 Jan 14

kirkleesbantam says...

As my post a few days ago player loyalty is rubbish, if wells refuses to talk to the club get rid and spend some money on loan players or signings who want to play for the team. Let's hope your not jumping too soon Mr wells and don't end up iplaying in the reserve team for a higher club.
As my post a few days ago player loyalty is rubbish, if wells refuses to talk to the club get rid and spend some money on loan players or signings who want to play for the team. Let's hope your not jumping too soon Mr wells and don't end up iplaying in the reserve team for a higher club. kirkleesbantam
  • Score: 7

10:54am Sat 4 Jan 14

lawsonio123 says...

Re Nahki Wells Should he not be sold now City will loose a Million . Now consider this should Wells go on to score another 15/16 more goals this season his value would INCREASE HE Would have MORE teams seeking him. It does seem he now has a over rated opinion of himself and it remains to be seen if he can hack ii in a higher division PREMIERSHIP are not falling over themselves just now to sign him Nahki maybe you should think again
Re Nahki Wells Should he not be sold now City will loose a Million . Now consider this should Wells go on to score another 15/16 more goals this season his value would INCREASE HE Would have MORE teams seeking him. It does seem he now has a over rated opinion of himself and it remains to be seen if he can hack ii in a higher division PREMIERSHIP are not falling over themselves just now to sign him Nahki maybe you should think again lawsonio123
  • Score: 5

11:12am Sat 4 Jan 14

tyker7745 says...

ye aw was repaid his loan out of last year's profits This season alone :there have been three bumper gates (6000 or so additional cash paying public plus a television appearance .That lot is close to £500k ( al unbudgetted income)
ye aw was repaid his loan out of last year's profits This season alone :there have been three bumper gates (6000 or so additional cash paying public plus a television appearance .That lot is close to £500k ( al unbudgetted income) tyker7745
  • Score: 0

11:27am Sat 4 Jan 14

Statler4 says...

Sandy lane bantam wrote:
I wish people would stop comparing this year to the year we went down to league 2. There are some key differences. We were a club on a downward spiral, now were on the up. We had a muppet for a manager in Todd, we now have parky. We replaced said muppet with a player with no experience of coaching, we won't need to do that this time as we have parky. The squad we currently have is far better than the tripe wetherall inherited. They are together and I have no doubt will get us out of this run. Parky will be able to spend some of the money to replace wells, last time we weren't in a position to replace windass and jj.

All in all this is a very different situation. Concerning of late but let's have faith in the manager and squad that have achieved the impossible in the last 12 months.
Spot on. Wells doesn't want to stay, that's abundantly clear. We need to sell him for the best fee we can get, regroup and carry on. What happens to him after he leaves is no longer our concern. We're a club on the up and no single player is irreplaceable.
[quote][p][bold]Sandy lane bantam[/bold] wrote: I wish people would stop comparing this year to the year we went down to league 2. There are some key differences. We were a club on a downward spiral, now were on the up. We had a muppet for a manager in Todd, we now have parky. We replaced said muppet with a player with no experience of coaching, we won't need to do that this time as we have parky. The squad we currently have is far better than the tripe wetherall inherited. They are together and I have no doubt will get us out of this run. Parky will be able to spend some of the money to replace wells, last time we weren't in a position to replace windass and jj. All in all this is a very different situation. Concerning of late but let's have faith in the manager and squad that have achieved the impossible in the last 12 months.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Wells doesn't want to stay, that's abundantly clear. We need to sell him for the best fee we can get, regroup and carry on. What happens to him after he leaves is no longer our concern. We're a club on the up and no single player is irreplaceable. Statler4
  • Score: 7

11:48am Sat 4 Jan 14

macca1969 says...

Can't be bothered quoting the above so I will just say I agree it's different to last time when we sold jj and deano. That was just to pay the wages. Also the money from last season remember we have to pay tax. Also bonus's to the squad and management and we paid lawn back. As fir loyalty when has this board ir even the fans ever shown loyalty the other way. If wells stayed but his form dipped with only one goal in a year or god forbid he received a serious injury and struggled after as one if the higher earners yhe the fans would be on his back in a flash. Loyalty is a two way street so don't go there
Can't be bothered quoting the above so I will just say I agree it's different to last time when we sold jj and deano. That was just to pay the wages. Also the money from last season remember we have to pay tax. Also bonus's to the squad and management and we paid lawn back. As fir loyalty when has this board ir even the fans ever shown loyalty the other way. If wells stayed but his form dipped with only one goal in a year or god forbid he received a serious injury and struggled after as one if the higher earners yhe the fans would be on his back in a flash. Loyalty is a two way street so don't go there macca1969
  • Score: 0

11:56am Sat 4 Jan 14

realcitygent says...

spearmint wino wrote:
Very disappointed in Wells, he or more importantly his agent should remember that only 18 months ago he was an unknown released by Carlisle until we gave him a chance.
He should now repay us by signing a contract extension with an agreement he can go in the summer. This way, hopefully, we won't be risking relegation and don't forget every season one team falls like a stone! And it also gives the manager time to replace Wells and balance the team in the summer as well.
i can understand people being disappointed in wells loyalty ,as you say he was released 18month ago ,but i think we got to look at the bigger picture now the lads done well for us as we have for him ,he owes us nothing in fact we are going to make a lot money from him his goals helped us to get us where we are today ,can you blame any young lad for wanting to better himself its the same in a everyday job ,i think the prob will be if we dont sell him were will the money come from to strenthen the squad, you may say get rid of some rubbish we have ie kennedy gray de vita etc but who is going to want this shower of rubbish as they be on decent wages,if wells did sign another contract and city allow him to go in summer what happens if his scoring run comes to end or gets injured ,we could lose half his value at least,imo his heart is not in city now ,i also think the squad we have now are not good enough to keep us up we have no midfield only wells scoring goals,wingers who dont cross ball ,and defence which rarely keeps clean sheet ,davies wene back will improve it but cant do it all on his own,imo i would look at getting decent higher div loan players in till end season bank wells money ,get rid of out contract players then rebuild from scratch ,
[quote][p][bold]spearmint wino[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in Wells, he or more importantly his agent should remember that only 18 months ago he was an unknown released by Carlisle until we gave him a chance. He should now repay us by signing a contract extension with an agreement he can go in the summer. This way, hopefully, we won't be risking relegation and don't forget every season one team falls like a stone! And it also gives the manager time to replace Wells and balance the team in the summer as well.[/p][/quote]i can understand people being disappointed in wells loyalty ,as you say he was released 18month ago ,but i think we got to look at the bigger picture now the lads done well for us as we have for him ,he owes us nothing in fact we are going to make a lot money from him his goals helped us to get us where we are today ,can you blame any young lad for wanting to better himself its the same in a everyday job ,i think the prob will be if we dont sell him were will the money come from to strenthen the squad, you may say get rid of some rubbish we have ie kennedy gray de vita etc but who is going to want this shower of rubbish as they be on decent wages,if wells did sign another contract and city allow him to go in summer what happens if his scoring run comes to end or gets injured ,we could lose half his value at least,imo his heart is not in city now ,i also think the squad we have now are not good enough to keep us up we have no midfield only wells scoring goals,wingers who dont cross ball ,and defence which rarely keeps clean sheet ,davies wene back will improve it but cant do it all on his own,imo i would look at getting decent higher div loan players in till end season bank wells money ,get rid of out contract players then rebuild from scratch , realcitygent
  • Score: 7

11:56am Sat 4 Jan 14

Olivermac says...

We were a club on the up 15 games ago and had Parky and the board invested some monies at the start of the season in some quality players for an higher division then Nahki Wells might not be so quick to leave we would have been in a play off spot now can't blame Nahki for not wanting to improve his salary etc but the people at the club the board the manager the coaching staff need to look at why we have the worst run in the football league this season, the answer we are not an ambitious enough club to go all the way like when Richmond did a job with Paul Jewel. Even they failed in the end
We were a club on the up 15 games ago and had Parky and the board invested some monies at the start of the season in some quality players for an higher division then Nahki Wells might not be so quick to leave we would have been in a play off spot now can't blame Nahki for not wanting to improve his salary etc but the people at the club the board the manager the coaching staff need to look at why we have the worst run in the football league this season, the answer we are not an ambitious enough club to go all the way like when Richmond did a job with Paul Jewel. Even they failed in the end Olivermac
  • Score: 0

12:06pm Sat 4 Jan 14

fatbloke says...

No dilemma. We will not get promoted with or without him. If we are set to go down, Wells wont help us, the team is not good enough with or without him. Sell him if someone is silly enough pay good money for him.
Parky wont play his own signings so we are left with 11/12 man squad and for that reason I feel we will need much fortune to stay in this league!!
No dilemma. We will not get promoted with or without him. If we are set to go down, Wells wont help us, the team is not good enough with or without him. Sell him if someone is silly enough pay good money for him. Parky wont play his own signings so we are left with 11/12 man squad and for that reason I feel we will need much fortune to stay in this league!! fatbloke
  • Score: 3

12:06pm Sat 4 Jan 14

dannbradfc says...

Don't know the figures mentioned above but you can also add selling part of the ground/less overheads. Increased merchandise for the final in particular. And the players we have sold with clauses in them......bigger gates etc. .......what must some clubs be losing if we are that far in debt each year. They don't have to but a complete breakdown of the situation would offset some of the suspicion and abuse the chairman will likely get if money is not reinvested back in. ...........it really gets boring hearing how we have always overspent especially when it completely contradicts the soundbites that wr are well run and won't ever risk the club's financially again. ......
Don't know the figures mentioned above but you can also add selling part of the ground/less overheads. Increased merchandise for the final in particular. And the players we have sold with clauses in them......bigger gates etc. .......what must some clubs be losing if we are that far in debt each year. They don't have to but a complete breakdown of the situation would offset some of the suspicion and abuse the chairman will likely get if money is not reinvested back in. ...........it really gets boring hearing how we have always overspent especially when it completely contradicts the soundbites that wr are well run and won't ever risk the club's financially again. ...... dannbradfc
  • Score: 9

12:07pm Sat 4 Jan 14

fatbloke says...

lawsonio123 wrote:
Re Nahki Wells Should he not be sold now City will loose a Million . Now consider this should Wells go on to score another 15/16 more goals this season his value would INCREASE HE Would have MORE teams seeking him. It does seem he now has a over rated opinion of himself and it remains to be seen if he can hack ii in a higher division PREMIERSHIP are not falling over themselves just now to sign him Nahki maybe you should think again
His 'over rated pinion of himself' comes from our fans!!!
[quote][p][bold]lawsonio123[/bold] wrote: Re Nahki Wells Should he not be sold now City will loose a Million . Now consider this should Wells go on to score another 15/16 more goals this season his value would INCREASE HE Would have MORE teams seeking him. It does seem he now has a over rated opinion of himself and it remains to be seen if he can hack ii in a higher division PREMIERSHIP are not falling over themselves just now to sign him Nahki maybe you should think again[/p][/quote]His 'over rated pinion of himself' comes from our fans!!! fatbloke
  • Score: 3

12:08pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Craig1985 says...

18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player.
We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games
18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player. We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games Craig1985
  • Score: 2

12:27pm Sat 4 Jan 14

bantam1911 says...

I really think a deal has already been done with a championship club, Wells has been a shadow of his normal self in past few appearances, if he were playing for a move he wouldn't be wandering around the pitch with the "me" and "the rest of you" attitude, this is all being played out to prepare us for what has already been agreed.
I really think a deal has already been done with a championship club, Wells has been a shadow of his normal self in past few appearances, if he were playing for a move he wouldn't be wandering around the pitch with the "me" and "the rest of you" attitude, this is all being played out to prepare us for what has already been agreed. bantam1911
  • Score: 3

12:35pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Rambo says...

Wells wants to play in the Championship. Good luck to him if he goes. Thats football at any level. If you were a Guiseley fan would you have wished ill on Hanson for wanting to play professionally, even in the bottom division?

I don't get all the venom towards him. The guy is clearly better than us at the moment and this league. He might have an opportunity to play higher and better himself professionally and personally. If you think someone in any job shouldn't be more ambitious then you need your head examining. He's not treated us with disregard like so many others do.

We're not a Championship team by any means, on or off the pitch. Realistically regardless of what happened last season the League 2 standard is starting to appear during games. Off the pitch as hardly any resources have been put into this area over the last 10 years there are L2 and non-league teams with better set-ups than us.
Wells wants to play in the Championship. Good luck to him if he goes. Thats football at any level. If you were a Guiseley fan would you have wished ill on Hanson for wanting to play professionally, even in the bottom division? I don't get all the venom towards him. The guy is clearly better than us at the moment and this league. He might have an opportunity to play higher and better himself professionally and personally. If you think someone in any job shouldn't be more ambitious then you need your head examining. He's not treated us with disregard like so many others do. We're not a Championship team by any means, on or off the pitch. Realistically regardless of what happened last season the League 2 standard is starting to appear during games. Off the pitch as hardly any resources have been put into this area over the last 10 years there are L2 and non-league teams with better set-ups than us. Rambo
  • Score: 17

12:50pm Sat 4 Jan 14

huggy b says...

Every time the club allow this rag of a paper to print a story about the Nahki Wells/ financial situation, the club devalues the player further! Stop airing your laundry in public and act like professionals for crying out loud! Millionaires running the club but not one ounce of class between them! It makes the club look like a fat lass in Flares at 2 am: desperate and willing to take anything!
Every time the club allow this rag of a paper to print a story about the Nahki Wells/ financial situation, the club devalues the player further! Stop airing your laundry in public and act like professionals for crying out loud! Millionaires running the club but not one ounce of class between them! It makes the club look like a fat lass in Flares at 2 am: desperate and willing to take anything! huggy b
  • Score: 11

12:56pm Sat 4 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

If Wells goes, as long as it's not to the scummers i can live with that. Would love Nahki to give BCFC another six months but if that isn't possible Parkinson who is an excellent manager has to get it right with his January picks. The pressure is big but I've got confidence that he will come up with the goods.

Dean Furman would be a great pick.......Deano....
. Deano
If Wells goes, as long as it's not to the scummers i can live with that. Would love Nahki to give BCFC another six months but if that isn't possible Parkinson who is an excellent manager has to get it right with his January picks. The pressure is big but I've got confidence that he will come up with the goods. Dean Furman would be a great pick.......Deano.... . Deano bcfc1903
  • Score: -3

1:17pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Stevie-C says...

Craig1985 wrote:
18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player.
We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games
Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job...
[quote][p][bold]Craig1985[/bold] wrote: 18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player. We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games[/p][/quote]Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job... Stevie-C
  • Score: 5

1:22pm Sat 4 Jan 14

tinytoonster says...

Rambo wrote:
Wells wants to play in the Championship. Good luck to him if he goes. Thats football at any level. If you were a Guiseley fan would you have wished ill on Hanson for wanting to play professionally, even in the bottom division?

I don't get all the venom towards him. The guy is clearly better than us at the moment and this league. He might have an opportunity to play higher and better himself professionally and personally. If you think someone in any job shouldn't be more ambitious then you need your head examining. He's not treated us with disregard like so many others do.

We're not a Championship team by any means, on or off the pitch. Realistically regardless of what happened last season the League 2 standard is starting to appear during games. Off the pitch as hardly any resources have been put into this area over the last 10 years there are L2 and non-league teams with better set-ups than us.
exactly, does not take long for people to turn on our players when they are leaving.
have any of you heard from wells himself saying he wants out?
how can you say he is not trying lately?
none of the team have looked good!
it sounds to me like the club trying to flog and blaming him.
unless i hear it from him i take all this loyalty cr-ap with a pinch of salt!
we need an intelligent person to sign any new players, parky is not very good had it!
[quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: Wells wants to play in the Championship. Good luck to him if he goes. Thats football at any level. If you were a Guiseley fan would you have wished ill on Hanson for wanting to play professionally, even in the bottom division? I don't get all the venom towards him. The guy is clearly better than us at the moment and this league. He might have an opportunity to play higher and better himself professionally and personally. If you think someone in any job shouldn't be more ambitious then you need your head examining. He's not treated us with disregard like so many others do. We're not a Championship team by any means, on or off the pitch. Realistically regardless of what happened last season the League 2 standard is starting to appear during games. Off the pitch as hardly any resources have been put into this area over the last 10 years there are L2 and non-league teams with better set-ups than us.[/p][/quote]exactly, does not take long for people to turn on our players when they are leaving. have any of you heard from wells himself saying he wants out? how can you say he is not trying lately? none of the team have looked good! it sounds to me like the club trying to flog and blaming him. unless i hear it from him i take all this loyalty cr-ap with a pinch of salt! we need an intelligent person to sign any new players, parky is not very good had it! tinytoonster
  • Score: 0

1:24pm Sat 4 Jan 14

tinytoonster says...

Stevie-C wrote:
Craig1985 wrote:
18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player.
We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games
Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job...
funny that because 2 of my friends have has photos etc with him and their kids.
maybe its some people's attitudes towards players.....
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Craig1985[/bold] wrote: 18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player. We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games[/p][/quote]Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job...[/p][/quote]funny that because 2 of my friends have has photos etc with him and their kids. maybe its some people's attitudes towards players..... tinytoonster
  • Score: 0

1:28pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Craig1985 says...

Stevie-C wrote:
Craig1985 wrote:
18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player.
We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games
Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job...
Thanks Stevie-C I'm glad I'm not the only one to have noticed this, like people said above there is nothing wrong with someone wanting to better themselves but there's a way to go about things and Nahki's isn't the right way.
He's practically snubbed the club that gave him the chance that made him and personally I think he's nothing without Hanson winning the ball and flicking it on for him. I'd like to see the stats for games Wells has scored in when partnered by Hanson compared to when hansons not been played.
Everyone will have their own opinion on this I'm just stating mine and I'm sure I'm not the only person thinking along these lines
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Craig1985[/bold] wrote: 18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player. We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games[/p][/quote]Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job...[/p][/quote]Thanks Stevie-C I'm glad I'm not the only one to have noticed this, like people said above there is nothing wrong with someone wanting to better themselves but there's a way to go about things and Nahki's isn't the right way. He's practically snubbed the club that gave him the chance that made him and personally I think he's nothing without Hanson winning the ball and flicking it on for him. I'd like to see the stats for games Wells has scored in when partnered by Hanson compared to when hansons not been played. Everyone will have their own opinion on this I'm just stating mine and I'm sure I'm not the only person thinking along these lines Craig1985
  • Score: 5

1:36pm Sat 4 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

Got some relations over from Ireland last year for the Aston Villa game, Nahki Wells along with other players including our hero Carl McHugh were great after the game. Wells loves the club, maybe he realises BCFC are not good enough this year to gain a playoff spot.
Got some relations over from Ireland last year for the Aston Villa game, Nahki Wells along with other players including our hero Carl McHugh were great after the game. Wells loves the club, maybe he realises BCFC are not good enough this year to gain a playoff spot. bcfc1903
  • Score: 1

2:03pm Sat 4 Jan 14

jackez20591 says...

Cant blame him in the slightest for wanting to go.

Given a quality midfield, Wells could score so many more goals. Just think how many atm come from him forcing mistakes, or from knockdowns.

A better coaching team can teach him how to use his pace, a good midfielder can play through balls, he could become deadly in the championship.

He wants out, we need the money. Everyone wins.
Cant blame him in the slightest for wanting to go. Given a quality midfield, Wells could score so many more goals. Just think how many atm come from him forcing mistakes, or from knockdowns. A better coaching team can teach him how to use his pace, a good midfielder can play through balls, he could become deadly in the championship. He wants out, we need the money. Everyone wins. jackez20591
  • Score: 5

2:08pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Bradford1903 says...

I'd love to know where they get this £1 million figure from, i don't think his value will drop that dramatically if at all in the summer, when I appreciate we will have to sell him. If there is any depreciation in his value, does it outweigh the consequences of selling him and potentially getting involved in a relegation battle, in my opinion, certainly not.

And why are we publicising figures likes like this, as all it does is encourage clubs that they cam get him on the cheap. We need to be giving it the hard sell, saying we will only accept silly offers, to get the best price possible.
I'd love to know where they get this £1 million figure from, i don't think his value will drop that dramatically if at all in the summer, when I appreciate we will have to sell him. If there is any depreciation in his value, does it outweigh the consequences of selling him and potentially getting involved in a relegation battle, in my opinion, certainly not. And why are we publicising figures likes like this, as all it does is encourage clubs that they cam get him on the cheap. We need to be giving it the hard sell, saying we will only accept silly offers, to get the best price possible. Bradford1903
  • Score: 3

2:49pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Hove edge bantam says...

Bantambhoy wrote:
spearmint wino wrote:
Very disappointed in Wells, he or more importantly his agent should remember that only 18 months ago he was an unknown released by Carlisle until we gave him a chance.
He should now repay us by signing a contract extension with an agreement he can go in the summer. This way, hopefully, we won't be risking relegation and don't forget every season one team falls like a stone! And it also gives the manager time to replace Wells and balance the team in the summer as well.
Agree entirely with this comment but he obviously does not have any loyalty to City so we should cash him in. Am I wrong or is John Hendrie connected to him in some way?
Wouldn't be surprised
Someone else who could not wait to get away once we didn't get promotion they are both equal in the loyalty stakes
NONE AT ALL !!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Bantambhoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spearmint wino[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed in Wells, he or more importantly his agent should remember that only 18 months ago he was an unknown released by Carlisle until we gave him a chance. He should now repay us by signing a contract extension with an agreement he can go in the summer. This way, hopefully, we won't be risking relegation and don't forget every season one team falls like a stone! And it also gives the manager time to replace Wells and balance the team in the summer as well.[/p][/quote]Agree entirely with this comment but he obviously does not have any loyalty to City so we should cash him in. Am I wrong or is John Hendrie connected to him in some way?[/p][/quote]Wouldn't be surprised Someone else who could not wait to get away once we didn't get promotion they are both equal in the loyalty stakes NONE AT ALL !!!!!!! Hove edge bantam
  • Score: 4

3:01pm Sat 4 Jan 14

my only vision says...

Stevie-C wrote:
Craig1985 wrote:
18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player.
We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games
Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job...
You mad at Wells for not signing an autograph for your snutty little kid !!!!!!!! lol... Get a life and get over it dude.... If you believe Wells needs Hanson to score than your an azz. These stupid comments about him needing Hanson to score his goals is only making him wanna leave quicker to prove all you crazy people wrong. Hanson is not good dude. He is quite a waste you ask me.... Imho Wells got got snubbed last year at the prize presentation, Who got all the **** prizes? Slow **** Jones.... When IMHO Wells saved the season and won promotion singe handedly... Front men in higher divisions will do a better job flicking on for Wells, Watch !!!!!!!!! Sign your own autograph for your kid. He is a soccer player, not a babysitter. Get a life, HATER
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Craig1985[/bold] wrote: 18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player. We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games[/p][/quote]Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job...[/p][/quote]You mad at Wells for not signing an autograph for your snutty little kid !!!!!!!! lol... Get a life and get over it dude.... If you believe Wells needs Hanson to score than your an azz. These stupid comments about him needing Hanson to score his goals is only making him wanna leave quicker to prove all you crazy people wrong. Hanson is not good dude. He is quite a waste you ask me.... Imho Wells got got snubbed last year at the prize presentation, Who got all the **** prizes? Slow **** Jones.... When IMHO Wells saved the season and won promotion singe handedly... Front men in higher divisions will do a better job flicking on for Wells, Watch !!!!!!!!! Sign your own autograph for your kid. He is a soccer player, not a babysitter. Get a life, HATER my only vision
  • Score: -23

3:01pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Storck says...

tyker7745 wrote:
ye aw was repaid his loan out of last year's profits This season alone :there have been three bumper gates (6000 or so additional cash paying public plus a television appearance .That lot is close to £500k ( al unbudgetted income)
The income from the three bumper gates will have been included in the budget as it was predictable that they would happen. So it is not extra income.
[quote][p][bold]tyker7745[/bold] wrote: ye aw was repaid his loan out of last year's profits This season alone :there have been three bumper gates (6000 or so additional cash paying public plus a television appearance .That lot is close to £500k ( al unbudgetted income)[/p][/quote]The income from the three bumper gates will have been included in the budget as it was predictable that they would happen. So it is not extra income. Storck
  • Score: 1

3:06pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Storck says...

Wrose bantam wrote:
I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist?

So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?)

So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..).

All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run?

The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...)
We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance).

I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated.

If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time.

I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss.
I'm guessing that you don't understand how profit/loss works.

Last years income has no bearing on this years profit or loss. To work out the profit you have the income from THIS year, not last, then you deduct THIS years costs. If the answer is positive you have made a profit for THIS year, if it is negative then you have made a loss for THIS year.

I will repeat last years money does not come into accounting THIS years profit/loss. If there is a loss this year then the club can use last years profit to fund it, but it will still be recorded as a loss for THIS year.
[quote][p][bold]Wrose bantam[/bold] wrote: I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist? So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?) So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..). All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run? The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...) We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance). I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated. If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time. I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing that you don't understand how profit/loss works. Last years income has no bearing on this years profit or loss. To work out the profit you have the income from THIS year, not last, then you deduct THIS years costs. If the answer is positive you have made a profit for THIS year, if it is negative then you have made a loss for THIS year. I will repeat last years money does not come into accounting THIS years profit/loss. If there is a loss this year then the club can use last years profit to fund it, but it will still be recorded as a loss for THIS year. Storck
  • Score: 6

3:24pm Sat 4 Jan 14

tinytoonster says...

Storck wrote:
tyker7745 wrote:
ye aw was repaid his loan out of last year's profits This season alone :there have been three bumper gates (6000 or so additional cash paying public plus a television appearance .That lot is close to £500k ( al unbudgetted income)
The income from the three bumper gates will have been included in the budget as it was predictable that they would happen. So it is not extra income.
if thats true then the club is worse than me, by budgeting for a possible big gate!
what if we had been on a bad run like now or game had been postponed to midweek and crowds are then affected?
amateur tactics if thats the case!
[quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tyker7745[/bold] wrote: ye aw was repaid his loan out of last year's profits This season alone :there have been three bumper gates (6000 or so additional cash paying public plus a television appearance .That lot is close to £500k ( al unbudgetted income)[/p][/quote]The income from the three bumper gates will have been included in the budget as it was predictable that they would happen. So it is not extra income.[/p][/quote]if thats true then the club is worse than me, by budgeting for a possible big gate! what if we had been on a bad run like now or game had been postponed to midweek and crowds are then affected? amateur tactics if thats the case! tinytoonster
  • Score: -5

3:38pm Sat 4 Jan 14

my only vision says...

Let me make this statement and I know it makes good sense.
How can anyone say that Wells is jumping ship and he has no loyalty? Where is the loyalty coming from when an owner and manager cuts any player from the team, Where is the loyalty when McHugh, Connell etc. don't get any playing time? Where is the loyalty FROM YOU SICK AZZ FANS when Wells don't score in 2 months because of a goal scoring drought? I recall last year he went 2 plus months without a goal and the same folks here bashing for wanting to leave were the same folks kicking him out of town.
Wells is a very polite gentleman, very quietly spoken, very, very, very well mannered, shy, great upbringing and very reserved. How do you know what's going on inside his mind.
The way this club is being run does not look very professionally done. Why is all this info suppose to be confidential all spattered in the media. A well run club don't do that. You don't let the public know what you want and don't want for a player, a good poker player hides his hands close to his chest.
Do you all realize that a manager can only take you so far before its time to move on? How do you guys know if the money offered to Wells is really MUCH IMPROVED? You guys are hearing one side of the SHITuation., Maybe the manager don't get along with the player, like he doesn't treat his employees nice at all, look how he handled Forlan, look how he handles visiting coaches, look how he handles referees,
Why do you think we get NO **** PENALTIES? Because of Parky's nasty attitude towards the refs. The refers is an association, believe me they do talk.
Message to the owners, as long as Parky is in charge BCFC will get none if any penalty calls, Move him out and results will come. BCFC would've been in 4th if not for Parky's lame play tactics.
One more comment.
. Who will want to play under these conditions? I sure as hell won't. Its time to lay off Wells and assess your own club the way its run, maybe changes need to be made from the top and you may get very nice results.
Let me make this statement and I know it makes good sense. How can anyone say that Wells is jumping ship and he has no loyalty? Where is the loyalty coming from when an owner and manager cuts any player from the team, Where is the loyalty when McHugh, Connell etc. don't get any playing time? Where is the loyalty FROM YOU SICK AZZ FANS when Wells don't score in 2 months because of a goal scoring drought? I recall last year he went 2 plus months without a goal and the same folks here bashing for wanting to leave were the same folks kicking him out of town. Wells is a very polite gentleman, very quietly spoken, very, very, very well mannered, shy, great upbringing and very reserved. How do you know what's going on inside his mind. The way this club is being run does not look very professionally done. Why is all this info suppose to be confidential all spattered in the media. A well run club don't do that. You don't let the public know what you want and don't want for a player, a good poker player hides his hands close to his chest. Do you all realize that a manager can only take you so far before its time to move on? How do you guys know if the money offered to Wells is really MUCH IMPROVED? You guys are hearing one side of the SHITuation., Maybe the manager don't get along with the player, like he doesn't treat his employees nice at all, look how he handled Forlan, look how he handles visiting coaches, look how he handles referees, Why do you think we get NO **** PENALTIES? Because of Parky's nasty attitude towards the refs. The refers is an association, believe me they do talk. Message to the owners, as long as Parky is in charge BCFC will get none if any penalty calls, Move him out and results will come. BCFC would've been in 4th if not for Parky's lame play tactics. One more comment. . Who will want to play under these conditions? I sure as hell won't. Its time to lay off Wells and assess your own club the way its run, maybe changes need to be made from the top and you may get very nice results. my only vision
  • Score: -19

3:56pm Sat 4 Jan 14

bcfcincheshire says...

The reality is that despite the desperate slump of the last 3 months City are still only seven points off the play offs (a cup competion lottery in itself). Either Wells, Hanson and Davies play almost all remaining games together and at the top of their game....or we sell Wells get an attacking midfielder to replace Doyle and a higher level striker on loan...and see what comes....aim for sixth...we did it last year (7th) and from a worse position. ..having lost 4-1 at Exeter in March and being 12 points off the
pace. We do need to bring in a midfielder regardlesss of the Wells
outcome...and need to win three of the next four to have an outside chance
and build confidence and form
..this Cup break provides the space to regroup and go again...Bristol City, Port Vale and Sheffield United matches decide which direction we really go as smack in mid table today. I predict recovery!
The reality is that despite the desperate slump of the last 3 months City are still only seven points off the play offs (a cup competion lottery in itself). Either Wells, Hanson and Davies play almost all remaining games together and at the top of their game....or we sell Wells get an attacking midfielder to replace Doyle and a higher level striker on loan...and see what comes....aim for sixth...we did it last year (7th) and from a worse position. ..having lost 4-1 at Exeter in March and being 12 points off the pace. We do need to bring in a midfielder regardlesss of the Wells outcome...and need to win three of the next four to have an outside chance and build confidence and form ..this Cup break provides the space to regroup and go again...Bristol City, Port Vale and Sheffield United matches decide which direction we really go as smack in mid table today. I predict recovery! bcfcincheshire
  • Score: 2

4:11pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Wrose bantam says...

Storck wrote:
Wrose bantam wrote: I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist? So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?) So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..). All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run? The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...) We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance). I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated. If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time. I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss.
I'm guessing that you don't understand how profit/loss works. Last years income has no bearing on this years profit or loss. To work out the profit you have the income from THIS year, not last, then you deduct THIS years costs. If the answer is positive you have made a profit for THIS year, if it is negative then you have made a loss for THIS year. I will repeat last years money does not come into accounting THIS years profit/loss. If there is a loss this year then the club can use last years profit to fund it, but it will still be recorded as a loss for THIS year.
No storck, you don't understand profit or loss! Why don't quote some numbers like I have and facts.

If you think city have not made a profit last year day say so?

My other point is that a profit can be re invested or taken out of a business. Lawn took his 1 million back. It's his money so good for him. This still leaves , in my opinion well over a million from the cup and promotion. Lawn said last year that we would not overspend last year.

Thus, the profit can or can not be used to strengthen the club.

In my opinion the club are as ambitious as our status, league 1 .

My final point is Yeovil town.

Come back with some facts stork
[quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wrose bantam[/bold] wrote: I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist? So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?) So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..). All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run? The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...) We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance). I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated. If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time. I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing that you don't understand how profit/loss works. Last years income has no bearing on this years profit or loss. To work out the profit you have the income from THIS year, not last, then you deduct THIS years costs. If the answer is positive you have made a profit for THIS year, if it is negative then you have made a loss for THIS year. I will repeat last years money does not come into accounting THIS years profit/loss. If there is a loss this year then the club can use last years profit to fund it, but it will still be recorded as a loss for THIS year.[/p][/quote]No storck, you don't understand profit or loss! Why don't quote some numbers like I have and facts. If you think city have not made a profit last year day say so? My other point is that a profit can be re invested or taken out of a business. Lawn took his 1 million back. It's his money so good for him. This still leaves , in my opinion well over a million from the cup and promotion. Lawn said last year that we would not overspend last year. Thus, the profit can or can not be used to strengthen the club. In my opinion the club are as ambitious as our status, league 1 . My final point is Yeovil town. Come back with some facts stork Wrose bantam
  • Score: -4

4:57pm Sat 4 Jan 14

markthemenace says...

All this T & A nonsense...........P
arker & Co get some new head lines, this is becoming boreing!


All of you on hear making comments regarding Well's?

Have we heard a statement from Nahki yet? NO

So don't take what an old rag writes is always true!

P.S Lawn is just trying to get other clubs interested so he can try and create a bidding war!
All this T & A nonsense...........P arker & Co get some new head lines, this is becoming boreing! All of you on hear making comments regarding Well's? Have we heard a statement from Nahki yet? NO So don't take what an old rag writes is always true! P.S Lawn is just trying to get other clubs interested so he can try and create a bidding war! markthemenace
  • Score: -8

5:08pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Freddy says...

QUOTE:-
*
Wrose bantam says...:- Where is last Seasons money?--Where has it gone?. etc.

*
Have you taken into account- that from last season's profit. MARK LAWN was re-paid £1 Million, that he had loaned to City.
*
Julian Rhodes and his Father , have put considerable money into City, to keep them going for many years. As far as I am aware --The Rhodes have not taken any money back out. Perhaps they are owed considerable amounts.
*
But I agree your figure estimate.-- But take another Million OFF!!.
*
WELLS has to go ASAP. Get as much as possible, and re-build a L1 Squad.
*
QUOTE:- * Wrose bantam says...:- Where is last Seasons money?--Where has it gone?. etc. * Have you taken into account- that from last season's profit. MARK LAWN was re-paid £1 Million, that he had loaned to City. * Julian Rhodes and his Father , have put considerable money into City, to keep them going for many years. As far as I am aware --The Rhodes have not taken any money back out. Perhaps they are owed considerable amounts. * But I agree your figure estimate.-- But take another Million OFF!!. * WELLS has to go ASAP. Get as much as possible, and re-build a L1 Squad. * Freddy
  • Score: 4

5:57pm Sat 4 Jan 14

shaun from richmond says...

Freddy wrote:
QUOTE:-
*
Wrose bantam says...:- Where is last Seasons money?--Where has it gone?. etc.

*
Have you taken into account- that from last season's profit. MARK LAWN was re-paid £1 Million, that he had loaned to City.
*
Julian Rhodes and his Father , have put considerable money into City, to keep them going for many years. As far as I am aware --The Rhodes have not taken any money back out. Perhaps they are owed considerable amounts.
*
But I agree your figure estimate.-- But take another Million OFF!!.
*
WELLS has to go ASAP. Get as much as possible, and re-build a L1 Squad.
*
YES YES.....The Brains trust couldn't wait to give Lawn his million back. BUT....The figures STILL don't stack up!!...WE SEEM TO HAVE LOST APROX £2 MILLION SOMEWHERE??. I am including the NEW debt figure that Lawn/Rhodes have dreamed up of course.
I am not having all this new increased wages RUBBISH....we have covered that with the increase in Season Tickets and gates!.
Its not like we EVER buy anyone worth a ****!.
WHERE HAS THIS MONEY GONE??.
[quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: QUOTE:- * Wrose bantam says...:- Where is last Seasons money?--Where has it gone?. etc. * Have you taken into account- that from last season's profit. MARK LAWN was re-paid £1 Million, that he had loaned to City. * Julian Rhodes and his Father , have put considerable money into City, to keep them going for many years. As far as I am aware --The Rhodes have not taken any money back out. Perhaps they are owed considerable amounts. * But I agree your figure estimate.-- But take another Million OFF!!. * WELLS has to go ASAP. Get as much as possible, and re-build a L1 Squad. *[/p][/quote]YES YES.....The Brains trust couldn't wait to give Lawn his million back. BUT....The figures STILL don't stack up!!...WE SEEM TO HAVE LOST APROX £2 MILLION SOMEWHERE??. I am including the NEW debt figure that Lawn/Rhodes have dreamed up of course. I am not having all this new increased wages RUBBISH....we have covered that with the increase in Season Tickets and gates!. Its not like we EVER buy anyone worth a ****!. WHERE HAS THIS MONEY GONE??. shaun from richmond
  • Score: -4

6:51pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Pablo says...

When calculating the profit from last year, there are three additional points to consider:

1) I understand sizeable bonuses were agreed with the players prior to the cup ( probably on the basis that we thought the bonuses would never have to be paid! )

2) The income includes 20% vat which, of course, has to paid over to HMRC.

3) I would imagine additional bonuses were due on gaining promotion.

The income from increased gates will probably have been swallowed up in increased squad and management wages.
When calculating the profit from last year, there are three additional points to consider: 1) I understand sizeable bonuses were agreed with the players prior to the cup ( probably on the basis that we thought the bonuses would never have to be paid! ) 2) The income includes 20% vat which, of course, has to paid over to HMRC. 3) I would imagine additional bonuses were due on gaining promotion. The income from increased gates will probably have been swallowed up in increased squad and management wages. Pablo
  • Score: 6

7:26pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Victor Clayton says...

Stevie-C wrote:
Craig1985 wrote:
18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player.
We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games
Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job...
Luckily he fitted in to our style of play? He is the only reason we can get away with this style. At the start of last season he wasn't even first 11, but the truth is we had nowt else and he easily forced his way in to the team. Unfortunately we have over relied on him and developed nothing else. We signed him for nothing, probably paid him peanuts and had some great entertainment. abbott must be feeling a right clown.
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Craig1985[/bold] wrote: 18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player. We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games[/p][/quote]Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job...[/p][/quote]Luckily he fitted in to our style of play? He is the only reason we can get away with this style. At the start of last season he wasn't even first 11, but the truth is we had nowt else and he easily forced his way in to the team. Unfortunately we have over relied on him and developed nothing else. We signed him for nothing, probably paid him peanuts and had some great entertainment. abbott must be feeling a right clown. Victor Clayton
  • Score: -2

7:39pm Sat 4 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

I think you can see where the cash has gone when you take into account acquisitions like Gray and Taylor, you may have well just made a big pile of money and set fire to it, both bizarre signings, add to the list summer signings and improved deals for those players who were out of contract in the summer and it adds uo to a considerable outlay.

Also who ever piped up about Shaun Harvey and BCFC not being asked for a reference regarding his job at the football league must have been brain dead, LUFC would have been straight onto the football league regarding this braindead throw away comment being made public...using it as a cooler.
I think you can see where the cash has gone when you take into account acquisitions like Gray and Taylor, you may have well just made a big pile of money and set fire to it, both bizarre signings, add to the list summer signings and improved deals for those players who were out of contract in the summer and it adds uo to a considerable outlay. Also who ever piped up about Shaun Harvey and BCFC not being asked for a reference regarding his job at the football league must have been brain dead, LUFC would have been straight onto the football league regarding this braindead throw away comment being made public...using it as a cooler. bcfc1903
  • Score: -2

7:46pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Storck says...

Wrose bantam wrote:
Storck wrote:
Wrose bantam wrote: I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist? So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?) So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..). All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run? The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...) We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance). I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated. If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time. I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss.
I'm guessing that you don't understand how profit/loss works. Last years income has no bearing on this years profit or loss. To work out the profit you have the income from THIS year, not last, then you deduct THIS years costs. If the answer is positive you have made a profit for THIS year, if it is negative then you have made a loss for THIS year. I will repeat last years money does not come into accounting THIS years profit/loss. If there is a loss this year then the club can use last years profit to fund it, but it will still be recorded as a loss for THIS year.
No storck, you don't understand profit or loss! Why don't quote some numbers like I have and facts.

If you think city have not made a profit last year day say so?

My other point is that a profit can be re invested or taken out of a business. Lawn took his 1 million back. It's his money so good for him. This still leaves , in my opinion well over a million from the cup and promotion. Lawn said last year that we would not overspend last year.

Thus, the profit can or can not be used to strengthen the club.

In my opinion the club are as ambitious as our status, league 1 .

My final point is Yeovil town.

Come back with some facts stork
All the figures you quoted are todo with last year. We made a profit last year. From that profit Mark Lawn got his loan back and some left in the bank.

THIS year we will make a loss. Overall the two might balance each other out, depends on how much loss we make this year. When you are preparing a profit/loss forecast you do not include income from outside the year being talked about, that is why I said nothing from last year has anything to do with THIS years profit/loss.
[quote][p][bold]Wrose bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wrose bantam[/bold] wrote: I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist? So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?) So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..). All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run? The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...) We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance). I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated. If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time. I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing that you don't understand how profit/loss works. Last years income has no bearing on this years profit or loss. To work out the profit you have the income from THIS year, not last, then you deduct THIS years costs. If the answer is positive you have made a profit for THIS year, if it is negative then you have made a loss for THIS year. I will repeat last years money does not come into accounting THIS years profit/loss. If there is a loss this year then the club can use last years profit to fund it, but it will still be recorded as a loss for THIS year.[/p][/quote]No storck, you don't understand profit or loss! Why don't quote some numbers like I have and facts. If you think city have not made a profit last year day say so? My other point is that a profit can be re invested or taken out of a business. Lawn took his 1 million back. It's his money so good for him. This still leaves , in my opinion well over a million from the cup and promotion. Lawn said last year that we would not overspend last year. Thus, the profit can or can not be used to strengthen the club. In my opinion the club are as ambitious as our status, league 1 . My final point is Yeovil town. Come back with some facts stork[/p][/quote]All the figures you quoted are todo with last year. We made a profit last year. From that profit Mark Lawn got his loan back and some left in the bank. THIS year we will make a loss. Overall the two might balance each other out, depends on how much loss we make this year. When you are preparing a profit/loss forecast you do not include income from outside the year being talked about, that is why I said nothing from last year has anything to do with THIS years profit/loss. Storck
  • Score: 2

8:00pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Wrose bantam says...

Storck wrote:
Wrose bantam wrote:
Storck wrote:
Wrose bantam wrote: I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist? So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?) So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..). All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run? The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...) We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance). I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated. If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time. I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss.
I'm guessing that you don't understand how profit/loss works. Last years income has no bearing on this years profit or loss. To work out the profit you have the income from THIS year, not last, then you deduct THIS years costs. If the answer is positive you have made a profit for THIS year, if it is negative then you have made a loss for THIS year. I will repeat last years money does not come into accounting THIS years profit/loss. If there is a loss this year then the club can use last years profit to fund it, but it will still be recorded as a loss for THIS year.
No storck, you don't understand profit or loss! Why don't quote some numbers like I have and facts.

If you think city have not made a profit last year day say so?

My other point is that a profit can be re invested or taken out of a business. Lawn took his 1 million back. It's his money so good for him. This still leaves , in my opinion well over a million from the cup and promotion. Lawn said last year that we would not overspend last year.

Thus, the profit can or can not be used to strengthen the club.

In my opinion the club are as ambitious as our status, league 1 .

My final point is Yeovil town.

Come back with some facts stork
All the figures you quoted are todo with last year. We made a profit last year. From that profit Mark Lawn got his loan back and some left in the bank.

THIS year we will make a loss. Overall the two might balance each other out, depends on how much loss we make this year. When you are preparing a profit/loss forecast you do not include income from outside the year being talked about, that is why I said nothing from last year has anything to do with THIS years profit/loss.
Great Stork,

I showed you how we made money last year. Where are your figures to show we will lose money this Year???

It's great to believe everything you read in the newspaper, but sometimes worth number crunching.

Or have you oooked at increased revenue (2013/14) through the gate, more money from the Football League? More merchandise being sold (on the back of last season), more away fans...?

Love to see your figures mate! Where I am looking, we let players go at the end of last year, we had Gray on the wage bill last year...

Anyway come back with some figures........
[quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wrose bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wrose bantam[/bold] wrote: I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist? So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?) So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..). All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run? The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...) We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance). I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated. If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time. I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing that you don't understand how profit/loss works. Last years income has no bearing on this years profit or loss. To work out the profit you have the income from THIS year, not last, then you deduct THIS years costs. If the answer is positive you have made a profit for THIS year, if it is negative then you have made a loss for THIS year. I will repeat last years money does not come into accounting THIS years profit/loss. If there is a loss this year then the club can use last years profit to fund it, but it will still be recorded as a loss for THIS year.[/p][/quote]No storck, you don't understand profit or loss! Why don't quote some numbers like I have and facts. If you think city have not made a profit last year day say so? My other point is that a profit can be re invested or taken out of a business. Lawn took his 1 million back. It's his money so good for him. This still leaves , in my opinion well over a million from the cup and promotion. Lawn said last year that we would not overspend last year. Thus, the profit can or can not be used to strengthen the club. In my opinion the club are as ambitious as our status, league 1 . My final point is Yeovil town. Come back with some facts stork[/p][/quote]All the figures you quoted are todo with last year. We made a profit last year. From that profit Mark Lawn got his loan back and some left in the bank. THIS year we will make a loss. Overall the two might balance each other out, depends on how much loss we make this year. When you are preparing a profit/loss forecast you do not include income from outside the year being talked about, that is why I said nothing from last year has anything to do with THIS years profit/loss.[/p][/quote]Great Stork, I showed you how we made money last year. Where are your figures to show we will lose money this Year??? It's great to believe everything you read in the newspaper, but sometimes worth number crunching. Or have you oooked at increased revenue (2013/14) through the gate, more money from the Football League? More merchandise being sold (on the back of last season), more away fans...? Love to see your figures mate! Where I am looking, we let players go at the end of last year, we had Gray on the wage bill last year... Anyway come back with some figures........ Wrose bantam
  • Score: -2

8:23pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Storck says...

Wrose bantam wrote:
Storck wrote:
Wrose bantam wrote:
Storck wrote:
Wrose bantam wrote: I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist? So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?) So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..). All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run? The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...) We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance). I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated. If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time. I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss.
I'm guessing that you don't understand how profit/loss works. Last years income has no bearing on this years profit or loss. To work out the profit you have the income from THIS year, not last, then you deduct THIS years costs. If the answer is positive you have made a profit for THIS year, if it is negative then you have made a loss for THIS year. I will repeat last years money does not come into accounting THIS years profit/loss. If there is a loss this year then the club can use last years profit to fund it, but it will still be recorded as a loss for THIS year.
No storck, you don't understand profit or loss! Why don't quote some numbers like I have and facts.

If you think city have not made a profit last year day say so?

My other point is that a profit can be re invested or taken out of a business. Lawn took his 1 million back. It's his money so good for him. This still leaves , in my opinion well over a million from the cup and promotion. Lawn said last year that we would not overspend last year.

Thus, the profit can or can not be used to strengthen the club.

In my opinion the club are as ambitious as our status, league 1 .

My final point is Yeovil town.

Come back with some facts stork
All the figures you quoted are todo with last year. We made a profit last year. From that profit Mark Lawn got his loan back and some left in the bank.

THIS year we will make a loss. Overall the two might balance each other out, depends on how much loss we make this year. When you are preparing a profit/loss forecast you do not include income from outside the year being talked about, that is why I said nothing from last year has anything to do with THIS years profit/loss.
Great Stork,

I showed you how we made money last year. Where are your figures to show we will lose money this Year???

It's great to believe everything you read in the newspaper, but sometimes worth number crunching.

Or have you oooked at increased revenue (2013/14) through the gate, more money from the Football League? More merchandise being sold (on the back of last season), more away fans...?

Love to see your figures mate! Where I am looking, we let players go at the end of last year, we had Gray on the wage bill last year...

Anyway come back with some figures........
I am going off things that people on the board have said. They have access to the figures.

All I was doing was pointing out that last year profit/loss has no bearing on this years figures. I was not claiming to know what this years figures are or will be. You implied you could not understand how we were going to lose money this year after last years bumper year, I was pointing out that the two are not connected. If you think last year does have any bearing on this years profit/loss please explain how.
[quote][p][bold]Wrose bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wrose bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wrose bantam[/bold] wrote: I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist? So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?) So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..). All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run? The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...) We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance). I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated. If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time. I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing that you don't understand how profit/loss works. Last years income has no bearing on this years profit or loss. To work out the profit you have the income from THIS year, not last, then you deduct THIS years costs. If the answer is positive you have made a profit for THIS year, if it is negative then you have made a loss for THIS year. I will repeat last years money does not come into accounting THIS years profit/loss. If there is a loss this year then the club can use last years profit to fund it, but it will still be recorded as a loss for THIS year.[/p][/quote]No storck, you don't understand profit or loss! Why don't quote some numbers like I have and facts. If you think city have not made a profit last year day say so? My other point is that a profit can be re invested or taken out of a business. Lawn took his 1 million back. It's his money so good for him. This still leaves , in my opinion well over a million from the cup and promotion. Lawn said last year that we would not overspend last year. Thus, the profit can or can not be used to strengthen the club. In my opinion the club are as ambitious as our status, league 1 . My final point is Yeovil town. Come back with some facts stork[/p][/quote]All the figures you quoted are todo with last year. We made a profit last year. From that profit Mark Lawn got his loan back and some left in the bank. THIS year we will make a loss. Overall the two might balance each other out, depends on how much loss we make this year. When you are preparing a profit/loss forecast you do not include income from outside the year being talked about, that is why I said nothing from last year has anything to do with THIS years profit/loss.[/p][/quote]Great Stork, I showed you how we made money last year. Where are your figures to show we will lose money this Year??? It's great to believe everything you read in the newspaper, but sometimes worth number crunching. Or have you oooked at increased revenue (2013/14) through the gate, more money from the Football League? More merchandise being sold (on the back of last season), more away fans...? Love to see your figures mate! Where I am looking, we let players go at the end of last year, we had Gray on the wage bill last year... Anyway come back with some figures........[/p][/quote]I am going off things that people on the board have said. They have access to the figures. All I was doing was pointing out that last year profit/loss has no bearing on this years figures. I was not claiming to know what this years figures are or will be. You implied you could not understand how we were going to lose money this year after last years bumper year, I was pointing out that the two are not connected. If you think last year does have any bearing on this years profit/loss please explain how. Storck
  • Score: 2

8:42pm Sat 4 Jan 14

kirkleesbantam says...

After reading my only vision and some of his comments, if that is your vision buy some glasses !
After reading my only vision and some of his comments, if that is your vision buy some glasses ! kirkleesbantam
  • Score: 4

8:42pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Cityman23 says...

Perhaps I'm in the minority but I don't want to be one of those who end up disliking 'NW'. The player has an ambition to play at a higher level, and to be fair, it looks like this is not likely to be an option for City this year. Nahki has scored 15 goals during half a season so he can't be accused of not doing more than his share to try to make promotion a possibility. There is a slender chance (with all the games to play for us/and rivals to lose) but it is only an outside chance now at best.

Nahki played his part and more in helping to get City to Wembley twice as we all know, and for that I simply don't want anything to diminish his status as a City legend.

Others may say I'm 'burying my head in the sand' but to be honest, naked ambition, disloyalty, and money have become so big a part of the game we all love, that most players with exceptional talent act in exactly the same ways in this modern era.

Yes, we gave an unknown footballer from the Bahamas a chance, after he didn't make it in Cumbria, but surely after last season, he repaid that and more.

It's clear now where Nahki Wells stands-no possible room for doubt- so the best option is to sell him in this current window for the best price we can get. If he stayed now, likely as not some City fans would be 'on his case' at matches leaving a sour taste and perhaps his performances, set against the disappointment of not getting his move would nosedive. Ok Suarez/Rooney both stayed/settled down after well-publicised transfer demands but I think their cases/environments are obviously very different!

As I said yesterday, I would prefer he did NOT go to Leeds or Huddersfield but anywhere else, I've no problem with. I think if Celtic were interested and they came up with the cash, he could be a sensation there. And of course he'd likely qualify for a Leauge winner's medal too in his first season!
Most importantly, he wouldn't be coming back to 'VP' so the atmosphere could damaged by those who would be booing him!

Good luck Nahki wherever you go! You lit up Valley Parade at times and the young supporters loved you. All City fans will have treasured memories of your goals in the fantastic 2012/13 season. Nothing can take away THOSE memories or, for me, diminish your place in the history of BCAFC.
Perhaps I'm in the minority but I don't want to be one of those who end up disliking 'NW'. The player has an ambition to play at a higher level, and to be fair, it looks like this is not likely to be an option for City this year. Nahki has scored 15 goals during half a season so he can't be accused of not doing more than his share to try to make promotion a possibility. There is a slender chance (with all the games to play for us/and rivals to lose) but it is only an outside chance now at best. Nahki played his part and more in helping to get City to Wembley twice as we all know, and for that I simply don't want anything to diminish his status as a City legend. Others may say I'm 'burying my head in the sand' but to be honest, naked ambition, disloyalty, and money have become so big a part of the game we all love, that most players with exceptional talent act in exactly the same ways in this modern era. Yes, we gave an unknown footballer from the Bahamas a chance, after he didn't make it in Cumbria, but surely after last season, he repaid that and more. It's clear now where Nahki Wells stands-no possible room for doubt- so the best option is to sell him in this current window for the best price we can get. If he stayed now, likely as not some City fans would be 'on his case' at matches leaving a sour taste and perhaps his performances, set against the disappointment of not getting his move would nosedive. Ok Suarez/Rooney both stayed/settled down after well-publicised transfer demands but I think their cases/environments are obviously very different! As I said yesterday, I would prefer he did NOT go to Leeds or Huddersfield but anywhere else, I've no problem with. I think if Celtic were interested and they came up with the cash, he could be a sensation there. And of course he'd likely qualify for a Leauge winner's medal too in his first season! Most importantly, he wouldn't be coming back to 'VP' so the atmosphere could damaged by those who would be booing him! Good luck Nahki wherever you go! You lit up Valley Parade at times and the young supporters loved you. All City fans will have treasured memories of your goals in the fantastic 2012/13 season. Nothing can take away THOSE memories or, for me, diminish your place in the history of BCAFC. Cityman23
  • Score: 6

9:08pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Stevie-C says...

my only vision wrote:
Stevie-C wrote:
Craig1985 wrote:
18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player.
We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games
Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job...
You mad at Wells for not signing an autograph for your snutty little kid !!!!!!!! lol... Get a life and get over it dude.... If you believe Wells needs Hanson to score than your an azz. These stupid comments about him needing Hanson to score his goals is only making him wanna leave quicker to prove all you crazy people wrong. Hanson is not good dude. He is quite a waste you ask me.... Imho Wells got got snubbed last year at the prize presentation, Who got all the **** prizes? Slow **** Jones.... When IMHO Wells saved the season and won promotion singe handedly... Front men in higher divisions will do a better job flicking on for Wells, Watch !!!!!!!!! Sign your own autograph for your kid. He is a soccer player, not a babysitter. Get a life, HATER
How dare you insult my child you ignorant div. who are you - wells agent?? I was merely making a statement based on my own experience and that of others. I am not saying that wells must be arrogant just because we missed out on his attention. It makes my lads day when a player takes a few seconds out to take a photo. Babysit?? I am with him the whole time. I pass a perfectly valid comment on here and you have the audacity to turn it into an opportunity to insult my son! Now stop spouting your vile tripe and jog on you clown. No room on here for trolls, you won't even be a city fan
[quote][p][bold]my only vision[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Craig1985[/bold] wrote: 18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player. We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games[/p][/quote]Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job...[/p][/quote]You mad at Wells for not signing an autograph for your snutty little kid !!!!!!!! lol... Get a life and get over it dude.... If you believe Wells needs Hanson to score than your an azz. These stupid comments about him needing Hanson to score his goals is only making him wanna leave quicker to prove all you crazy people wrong. Hanson is not good dude. He is quite a waste you ask me.... Imho Wells got got snubbed last year at the prize presentation, Who got all the **** prizes? Slow **** Jones.... When IMHO Wells saved the season and won promotion singe handedly... Front men in higher divisions will do a better job flicking on for Wells, Watch !!!!!!!!! Sign your own autograph for your kid. He is a soccer player, not a babysitter. Get a life, HATER[/p][/quote]How dare you insult my child you ignorant div. who are you - wells agent?? I was merely making a statement based on my own experience and that of others. I am not saying that wells must be arrogant just because we missed out on his attention. It makes my lads day when a player takes a few seconds out to take a photo. Babysit?? I am with him the whole time. I pass a perfectly valid comment on here and you have the audacity to turn it into an opportunity to insult my son! Now stop spouting your vile tripe and jog on you clown. No room on here for trolls, you won't even be a city fan Stevie-C
  • Score: 13

9:44pm Sat 4 Jan 14

MrQuinque says...

shaun from richmond wrote:
Freddy wrote:
QUOTE:-
*
Wrose bantam says...:- Where is last Seasons money?--Where has it gone?. etc.

*
Have you taken into account- that from last season's profit. MARK LAWN was re-paid £1 Million, that he had loaned to City.
*
Julian Rhodes and his Father , have put considerable money into City, to keep them going for many years. As far as I am aware --The Rhodes have not taken any money back out. Perhaps they are owed considerable amounts.
*
But I agree your figure estimate.-- But take another Million OFF!!.
*
WELLS has to go ASAP. Get as much as possible, and re-build a L1 Squad.
*
YES YES.....The Brains trust couldn't wait to give Lawn his million back. BUT....The figures STILL don't stack up!!...WE SEEM TO HAVE LOST APROX £2 MILLION SOMEWHERE??. I am including the NEW debt figure that Lawn/Rhodes have dreamed up of course.
I am not having all this new increased wages RUBBISH....we have covered that with the increase in Season Tickets and gates!.
Its not like we EVER buy anyone worth a ****!.
WHERE HAS THIS MONEY GONE??.
Where do you think it has gone, it is sitting in a banck account to cover the expected losses which will be made this season so they don't end up in dire financial straights again.

Running a football club as a zero sum entity is a bloody good way to wind up in administration.

I personally think the club should be looking to move to a 50%+1 fan ownership structure much like many Bundesliga teams and if the Bulls had any brains they'd be looking to do the same thing.
[quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: QUOTE:- * Wrose bantam says...:- Where is last Seasons money?--Where has it gone?. etc. * Have you taken into account- that from last season's profit. MARK LAWN was re-paid £1 Million, that he had loaned to City. * Julian Rhodes and his Father , have put considerable money into City, to keep them going for many years. As far as I am aware --The Rhodes have not taken any money back out. Perhaps they are owed considerable amounts. * But I agree your figure estimate.-- But take another Million OFF!!. * WELLS has to go ASAP. Get as much as possible, and re-build a L1 Squad. *[/p][/quote]YES YES.....The Brains trust couldn't wait to give Lawn his million back. BUT....The figures STILL don't stack up!!...WE SEEM TO HAVE LOST APROX £2 MILLION SOMEWHERE??. I am including the NEW debt figure that Lawn/Rhodes have dreamed up of course. I am not having all this new increased wages RUBBISH....we have covered that with the increase in Season Tickets and gates!. Its not like we EVER buy anyone worth a ****!. WHERE HAS THIS MONEY GONE??.[/p][/quote]Where do you think it has gone, it is sitting in a banck account to cover the expected losses which will be made this season so they don't end up in dire financial straights again. Running a football club as a zero sum entity is a bloody good way to wind up in administration. I personally think the club should be looking to move to a 50%+1 fan ownership structure much like many Bundesliga teams and if the Bulls had any brains they'd be looking to do the same thing. MrQuinque
  • Score: 4

11:09pm Sat 4 Jan 14

I laugh at your vision says...

Stevie-C wrote:
my only vision wrote:
Stevie-C wrote:
Craig1985 wrote:
18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player.
We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games
Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job...
You mad at Wells for not signing an autograph for your snutty little kid !!!!!!!! lol... Get a life and get over it dude.... If you believe Wells needs Hanson to score than your an azz. These stupid comments about him needing Hanson to score his goals is only making him wanna leave quicker to prove all you crazy people wrong. Hanson is not good dude. He is quite a waste you ask me.... Imho Wells got got snubbed last year at the prize presentation, Who got all the **** prizes? Slow **** Jones.... When IMHO Wells saved the season and won promotion singe handedly... Front men in higher divisions will do a better job flicking on for Wells, Watch !!!!!!!!! Sign your own autograph for your kid. He is a soccer player, not a babysitter. Get a life, HATER
How dare you insult my child you ignorant div. who are you - wells agent?? I was merely making a statement based on my own experience and that of others. I am not saying that wells must be arrogant just because we missed out on his attention. It makes my lads day when a player takes a few seconds out to take a photo. Babysit?? I am with him the whole time. I pass a perfectly valid comment on here and you have the audacity to turn it into an opportunity to insult my son! Now stop spouting your vile tripe and jog on you clown. No room on here for trolls, you won't even be a city fan
He certainly isn't a City fan, he's some kind of weird Wells obsessive. He usually comes on here spouting weird, drunk / stoned, misspelled gibberish whenever Wells scores or someone makes a positive story about Hanson (so he can slag him off). Normally he's abusing all other posters and slagging off everything about City and last time he was even making racist remarks (calling white players / fans 'crackers'). Having a pop a kids is a new low though, he's probably not got hold of tonights wacky baccy yet
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]my only vision[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Craig1985[/bold] wrote: 18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player. We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games[/p][/quote]Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job...[/p][/quote]You mad at Wells for not signing an autograph for your snutty little kid !!!!!!!! lol... Get a life and get over it dude.... If you believe Wells needs Hanson to score than your an azz. These stupid comments about him needing Hanson to score his goals is only making him wanna leave quicker to prove all you crazy people wrong. Hanson is not good dude. He is quite a waste you ask me.... Imho Wells got got snubbed last year at the prize presentation, Who got all the **** prizes? Slow **** Jones.... When IMHO Wells saved the season and won promotion singe handedly... Front men in higher divisions will do a better job flicking on for Wells, Watch !!!!!!!!! Sign your own autograph for your kid. He is a soccer player, not a babysitter. Get a life, HATER[/p][/quote]How dare you insult my child you ignorant div. who are you - wells agent?? I was merely making a statement based on my own experience and that of others. I am not saying that wells must be arrogant just because we missed out on his attention. It makes my lads day when a player takes a few seconds out to take a photo. Babysit?? I am with him the whole time. I pass a perfectly valid comment on here and you have the audacity to turn it into an opportunity to insult my son! Now stop spouting your vile tripe and jog on you clown. No room on here for trolls, you won't even be a city fan[/p][/quote]He certainly isn't a City fan, he's some kind of weird Wells obsessive. He usually comes on here spouting weird, drunk / stoned, misspelled gibberish whenever Wells scores or someone makes a positive story about Hanson (so he can slag him off). Normally he's abusing all other posters and slagging off everything about City and last time he was even making racist remarks (calling white players / fans 'crackers'). Having a pop a kids is a new low though, he's probably not got hold of tonights wacky baccy yet I laugh at your vision
  • Score: 6

11:10pm Sat 4 Jan 14

bcfc1903 says...

Cityman23 wrote:
Perhaps I'm in the minority but I don't want to be one of those who end up disliking 'NW'. The player has an ambition to play at a higher level, and to be fair, it looks like this is not likely to be an option for City this year. Nahki has scored 15 goals during half a season so he can't be accused of not doing more than his share to try to make promotion a possibility. There is a slender chance (with all the games to play for us/and rivals to lose) but it is only an outside chance now at best.

Nahki played his part and more in helping to get City to Wembley twice as we all know, and for that I simply don't want anything to diminish his status as a City legend.

Others may say I'm 'burying my head in the sand' but to be honest, naked ambition, disloyalty, and money have become so big a part of the game we all love, that most players with exceptional talent act in exactly the same ways in this modern era.

Yes, we gave an unknown footballer from the Bahamas a chance, after he didn't make it in Cumbria, but surely after last season, he repaid that and more.

It's clear now where Nahki Wells stands-no possible room for doubt- so the best option is to sell him in this current window for the best price we can get. If he stayed now, likely as not some City fans would be 'on his case' at matches leaving a sour taste and perhaps his performances, set against the disappointment of not getting his move would nosedive. Ok Suarez/Rooney both stayed/settled down after well-publicised transfer demands but I think their cases/environments are obviously very different!

As I said yesterday, I would prefer he did NOT go to Leeds or Huddersfield but anywhere else, I've no problem with. I think if Celtic were interested and they came up with the cash, he could be a sensation there. And of course he'd likely qualify for a Leauge winner's medal too in his first season!
Most importantly, he wouldn't be coming back to 'VP' so the atmosphere could damaged by those who would be booing him!

Good luck Nahki wherever you go! You lit up Valley Parade at times and the young supporters loved you. All City fans will have treasured memories of your goals in the fantastic 2012/13 season. Nothing can take away THOSE memories or, for me, diminish your place in the history of BCAFC.
Great post cityman23


Hopefully if LUFC come calling this month the joint chairmen tell them to gently go f*ck themselves!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: Perhaps I'm in the minority but I don't want to be one of those who end up disliking 'NW'. The player has an ambition to play at a higher level, and to be fair, it looks like this is not likely to be an option for City this year. Nahki has scored 15 goals during half a season so he can't be accused of not doing more than his share to try to make promotion a possibility. There is a slender chance (with all the games to play for us/and rivals to lose) but it is only an outside chance now at best. Nahki played his part and more in helping to get City to Wembley twice as we all know, and for that I simply don't want anything to diminish his status as a City legend. Others may say I'm 'burying my head in the sand' but to be honest, naked ambition, disloyalty, and money have become so big a part of the game we all love, that most players with exceptional talent act in exactly the same ways in this modern era. Yes, we gave an unknown footballer from the Bahamas a chance, after he didn't make it in Cumbria, but surely after last season, he repaid that and more. It's clear now where Nahki Wells stands-no possible room for doubt- so the best option is to sell him in this current window for the best price we can get. If he stayed now, likely as not some City fans would be 'on his case' at matches leaving a sour taste and perhaps his performances, set against the disappointment of not getting his move would nosedive. Ok Suarez/Rooney both stayed/settled down after well-publicised transfer demands but I think their cases/environments are obviously very different! As I said yesterday, I would prefer he did NOT go to Leeds or Huddersfield but anywhere else, I've no problem with. I think if Celtic were interested and they came up with the cash, he could be a sensation there. And of course he'd likely qualify for a Leauge winner's medal too in his first season! Most importantly, he wouldn't be coming back to 'VP' so the atmosphere could damaged by those who would be booing him! Good luck Nahki wherever you go! You lit up Valley Parade at times and the young supporters loved you. All City fans will have treasured memories of your goals in the fantastic 2012/13 season. Nothing can take away THOSE memories or, for me, diminish your place in the history of BCAFC.[/p][/quote]Great post cityman23 Hopefully if LUFC come calling this month the joint chairmen tell them to gently go f*ck themselves!!!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: -2

11:13pm Sat 4 Jan 14

I laugh at your vision says...

my only vision wrote:
Stevie-C wrote:
Craig1985 wrote:
18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player.
We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games
Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job...
You mad at Wells for not signing an autograph for your snutty little kid !!!!!!!! lol... Get a life and get over it dude.... If you believe Wells needs Hanson to score than your an azz. These stupid comments about him needing Hanson to score his goals is only making him wanna leave quicker to prove all you crazy people wrong. Hanson is not good dude. He is quite a waste you ask me.... Imho Wells got got snubbed last year at the prize presentation, Who got all the **** prizes? Slow **** Jones.... When IMHO Wells saved the season and won promotion singe handedly... Front men in higher divisions will do a better job flicking on for Wells, Watch !!!!!!!!! Sign your own autograph for your kid. He is a soccer player, not a babysitter. Get a life, HATER
Whoah, you iz so badass, innit?? Iz you still guna be a hater on deez pages when yo boyfriend leaves? Sickkkkk commentz, bruv
[quote][p][bold]my only vision[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Craig1985[/bold] wrote: 18 months ago nobody had heard of him he was Carlisle reject until he came to us, now he thinks he's better than us cheers mr wells but personally I think your no better than any other striker in our league and your definitely not premiership quality so why they're looking who knows, you'll probably end up as a bench warmer at Blackburn or Huddersfield as Leeds can't afford you or won't pay that amount for an unproven championship player. We should get rid now before his head gets that big it gets jammed in the changing room doorway. Sounds like his attitude stinks and no wonder he's looked like he can't be bothered these last few games[/p][/quote]Theres nothing wrong with people wanting to better themselves, but it has to be in the correct manner. Craig is spot on - less than 2 years ago nobody knew wells. Luckily he fitted into our style of play and had hanson to rely on for the knock downs and hold up play etc, without this he wouldn't have had half the goals. Wells being at bradford has benefitted both parties immensely. But it seems he doesn't have his head totally screwed on - he has had one great season in the fourth tier, and half a good season in league one. It seems he is impatient and wants everything to happen overnight by jumping ship to a club in a higher league. And with regards to his attitude stinking, i have to agree - every home game my 8 year old stands patiently during the pre match warm up, in the hope of a wells signature or photo, but he is always left disappointed cos wells ignores most of the kids shouting at him. No probs with any other player, just wells. Think PP should quietly remind him who the future of the club are, and also who is keeping him in a job...[/p][/quote]You mad at Wells for not signing an autograph for your snutty little kid !!!!!!!! lol... Get a life and get over it dude.... If you believe Wells needs Hanson to score than your an azz. These stupid comments about him needing Hanson to score his goals is only making him wanna leave quicker to prove all you crazy people wrong. Hanson is not good dude. He is quite a waste you ask me.... Imho Wells got got snubbed last year at the prize presentation, Who got all the **** prizes? Slow **** Jones.... When IMHO Wells saved the season and won promotion singe handedly... Front men in higher divisions will do a better job flicking on for Wells, Watch !!!!!!!!! Sign your own autograph for your kid. He is a soccer player, not a babysitter. Get a life, HATER[/p][/quote]Whoah, you iz so badass, innit?? Iz you still guna be a hater on deez pages when yo boyfriend leaves? Sickkkkk commentz, bruv I laugh at your vision
  • Score: 4

11:39pm Sat 4 Jan 14

cyn1cal says...

Wrose bantam wrote:
I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist?

So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?)

So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..).

All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run?

The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...)
We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance).

I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated.

If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time.

I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss.
running costs and tax take a chunk out of the gross figures
[quote][p][bold]Wrose bantam[/bold] wrote: I am still struggling to see where the money from last season went. 80K fans at wembley for the Capital cup final (80K x 40 = £3.2 million- we got 30% of that so £1.06 Million) we also got TV money for the final. Then we had a play off final versus northampton (47K Fans and TV Money). For the sake of simplicity , I guess we get 40% of that? (40K x £30 = £1.2 million, so £480K plus more money from TV). I make this between £1.7m nd £2 million. Then of course we had TV games and bumper crowds versus Villa (twice) and Aresenal. I believe I read in the T and A that this was nearly £1million. I assume that the capital one cup also gave prize money to the winner and losing finalist? So, even if I am sligtly out on numbers, this is somewhere between £2.5 and £3million. Our wage bill last year was rumoured to be £1million (makes sense 20 players plus mananger coach,...average £40K per Year?) So the cup run and TV money must have paid for nearly 3 years wages on its own. Now, we all in League 1 and probably get more money to play in the league 1 than 2. We are getting better gates and many teams are bringing better support (Rotherham, S Utd, Wolves, Coventry..). All of sudden we face a £750K loss in 2013/14? God help us if we had merely got promoted in 3rd palce with no cup run? The cup run has brought in massive revenue. It's better to go up via the plays off than "automatically" and all the club have done is increase wages. We had to do this, as if not a few would have gone (Doyle, Wells, Hanson, Darby,...) We have not signed anybody (to my knowledge for a fee of any significance). I remember Windass' last game where he was our best player on the pitch by far. We were , I think in middle table security.....We also sold Jermaine Johnson....we got relegated. If we sell Wells, we had better get some players in and "use Wells money". We need a midfielder with legs who is a box to box goalscorer. We also need Davies back fast. I rate him as more important than wells. Look at our points won , when he plays. I think Burnie is one to nurture but we can not rely on him for immediate goals. Gray was a bad buy and I said so at the time. I would like somebody to prove me wrong with my numbers, but I simply do not believe that we have "spent" all the money from one of the best seasons in our history and are facing a loss.[/p][/quote]running costs and tax take a chunk out of the gross figures cyn1cal
  • Score: 0

9:22am Sun 5 Jan 14

tinytoonster says...

bcfcincheshire wrote:
The reality is that despite the desperate slump of the last 3 months City are still only seven points off the play offs (a cup competion lottery in itself). Either Wells, Hanson and Davies play almost all remaining games together and at the top of their game....or we sell Wells get an attacking midfielder to replace Doyle and a higher level striker on loan...and see what comes....aim for sixth...we did it last year (7th) and from a worse position. ..having lost 4-1 at Exeter in March and being 12 points off the
pace. We do need to bring in a midfielder regardlesss of the Wells
outcome...and need to win three of the next four to have an outside chance
and build confidence and form
..this Cup break provides the space to regroup and go again...Bristol City, Port Vale and Sheffield United matches decide which direction we really go as smack in mid table today. I predict recovery!
and 7 points off relegation?
cup half full or half empty?
the form suggests half empty.
[quote][p][bold]bcfcincheshire[/bold] wrote: The reality is that despite the desperate slump of the last 3 months City are still only seven points off the play offs (a cup competion lottery in itself). Either Wells, Hanson and Davies play almost all remaining games together and at the top of their game....or we sell Wells get an attacking midfielder to replace Doyle and a higher level striker on loan...and see what comes....aim for sixth...we did it last year (7th) and from a worse position. ..having lost 4-1 at Exeter in March and being 12 points off the pace. We do need to bring in a midfielder regardlesss of the Wells outcome...and need to win three of the next four to have an outside chance and build confidence and form ..this Cup break provides the space to regroup and go again...Bristol City, Port Vale and Sheffield United matches decide which direction we really go as smack in mid table today. I predict recovery![/p][/quote]and 7 points off relegation? cup half full or half empty? the form suggests half empty. tinytoonster
  • Score: 2

11:20am Sun 5 Jan 14

Cityman23 says...

MrQuinque wrote:
shaun from richmond wrote:
Freddy wrote:
QUOTE:-
*
Wrose bantam says...:- Where is last Seasons money?--Where has it gone?. etc.

*
Have you taken into account- that from last season's profit. MARK LAWN was re-paid £1 Million, that he had loaned to City.
*
Julian Rhodes and his Father , have put considerable money into City, to keep them going for many years. As far as I am aware --The Rhodes have not taken any money back out. Perhaps they are owed considerable amounts.
*
But I agree your figure estimate.-- But take another Million OFF!!.
*
WELLS has to go ASAP. Get as much as possible, and re-build a L1 Squad.
*
YES YES.....The Brains trust couldn't wait to give Lawn his million back. BUT....The figures STILL don't stack up!!...WE SEEM TO HAVE LOST APROX £2 MILLION SOMEWHERE??. I am including the NEW debt figure that Lawn/Rhodes have dreamed up of course.
I am not having all this new increased wages RUBBISH....we have covered that with the increase in Season Tickets and gates!.
Its not like we EVER buy anyone worth a ****!.
WHERE HAS THIS MONEY GONE??.
Where do you think it has gone, it is sitting in a banck account to cover the expected losses which will be made this season so they don't end up in dire financial straights again.

Running a football club as a zero sum entity is a bloody good way to wind up in administration.

I personally think the club should be looking to move to a 50%+1 fan ownership structure much like many Bundesliga teams and if the Bulls had any brains they'd be looking to do the same thing.
I totally agree with your comment re: 50% +1 fan ownership
[quote][p][bold]MrQuinque[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: QUOTE:- * Wrose bantam says...:- Where is last Seasons money?--Where has it gone?. etc. * Have you taken into account- that from last season's profit. MARK LAWN was re-paid £1 Million, that he had loaned to City. * Julian Rhodes and his Father , have put considerable money into City, to keep them going for many years. As far as I am aware --The Rhodes have not taken any money back out. Perhaps they are owed considerable amounts. * But I agree your figure estimate.-- But take another Million OFF!!. * WELLS has to go ASAP. Get as much as possible, and re-build a L1 Squad. *[/p][/quote]YES YES.....The Brains trust couldn't wait to give Lawn his million back. BUT....The figures STILL don't stack up!!...WE SEEM TO HAVE LOST APROX £2 MILLION SOMEWHERE??. I am including the NEW debt figure that Lawn/Rhodes have dreamed up of course. I am not having all this new increased wages RUBBISH....we have covered that with the increase in Season Tickets and gates!. Its not like we EVER buy anyone worth a ****!. WHERE HAS THIS MONEY GONE??.[/p][/quote]Where do you think it has gone, it is sitting in a banck account to cover the expected losses which will be made this season so they don't end up in dire financial straights again. Running a football club as a zero sum entity is a bloody good way to wind up in administration. I personally think the club should be looking to move to a 50%+1 fan ownership structure much like many Bundesliga teams and if the Bulls had any brains they'd be looking to do the same thing.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with your comment re: 50% +1 fan ownership Cityman23
  • Score: 2

12:16pm Sun 5 Jan 14

lawsonio123 says...

my only vision wrote:
Let me make this statement and I know it makes good sense.
How can anyone say that Wells is jumping ship and he has no loyalty? Where is the loyalty coming from when an owner and manager cuts any player from the team, Where is the loyalty when McHugh, Connell etc. don't get any playing time? Where is the loyalty FROM YOU SICK AZZ FANS when Wells don't score in 2 months because of a goal scoring drought? I recall last year he went 2 plus months without a goal and the same folks here bashing for wanting to leave were the same folks kicking him out of town.
Wells is a very polite gentleman, very quietly spoken, very, very, very well mannered, shy, great upbringing and very reserved. How do you know what's going on inside his mind.
The way this club is being run does not look very professionally done. Why is all this info suppose to be confidential all spattered in the media. A well run club don't do that. You don't let the public know what you want and don't want for a player, a good poker player hides his hands close to his chest.
Do you all realize that a manager can only take you so far before its time to move on? How do you guys know if the money offered to Wells is really MUCH IMPROVED? You guys are hearing one side of the SHITuation., Maybe the manager don't get along with the player, like he doesn't treat his employees nice at all, look how he handled Forlan, look how he handles visiting coaches, look how he handles referees,
Why do you think we get NO **** PENALTIES? Because of Parky's nasty attitude towards the refs. The refers is an association, believe me they do talk.
Message to the owners, as long as Parky is in charge BCFC will get none if any penalty calls, Move him out and results will come. BCFC would've been in 4th if not for Parky's lame play tactics.
One more comment.
. Who will want to play under these conditions? I sure as hell won't. Its time to lay off Wells and assess your own club the way its run, maybe changes need to be made from the top and you may get very nice results.
What a LOAD of RUBBISH. Referees are honest men They do not ignore a penalty because they do not like a manager That is more than there job is Worth GROW UP AND TALK SENSE
[quote][p][bold]my only vision[/bold] wrote: Let me make this statement and I know it makes good sense. How can anyone say that Wells is jumping ship and he has no loyalty? Where is the loyalty coming from when an owner and manager cuts any player from the team, Where is the loyalty when McHugh, Connell etc. don't get any playing time? Where is the loyalty FROM YOU SICK AZZ FANS when Wells don't score in 2 months because of a goal scoring drought? I recall last year he went 2 plus months without a goal and the same folks here bashing for wanting to leave were the same folks kicking him out of town. Wells is a very polite gentleman, very quietly spoken, very, very, very well mannered, shy, great upbringing and very reserved. How do you know what's going on inside his mind. The way this club is being run does not look very professionally done. Why is all this info suppose to be confidential all spattered in the media. A well run club don't do that. You don't let the public know what you want and don't want for a player, a good poker player hides his hands close to his chest. Do you all realize that a manager can only take you so far before its time to move on? How do you guys know if the money offered to Wells is really MUCH IMPROVED? You guys are hearing one side of the SHITuation., Maybe the manager don't get along with the player, like he doesn't treat his employees nice at all, look how he handled Forlan, look how he handles visiting coaches, look how he handles referees, Why do you think we get NO **** PENALTIES? Because of Parky's nasty attitude towards the refs. The refers is an association, believe me they do talk. Message to the owners, as long as Parky is in charge BCFC will get none if any penalty calls, Move him out and results will come. BCFC would've been in 4th if not for Parky's lame play tactics. One more comment. . Who will want to play under these conditions? I sure as hell won't. Its time to lay off Wells and assess your own club the way its run, maybe changes need to be made from the top and you may get very nice results.[/p][/quote]What a LOAD of RUBBISH. Referees are honest men They do not ignore a penalty because they do not like a manager That is more than there job is Worth GROW UP AND TALK SENSE lawsonio123
  • Score: 5

1:04pm Sun 5 Jan 14

shaun from richmond says...

MrQuinque wrote:
shaun from richmond wrote:
Freddy wrote:
QUOTE:-
*
Wrose bantam says...:- Where is last Seasons money?--Where has it gone?. etc.

*
Have you taken into account- that from last season's profit. MARK LAWN was re-paid £1 Million, that he had loaned to City.
*
Julian Rhodes and his Father , have put considerable money into City, to keep them going for many years. As far as I am aware --The Rhodes have not taken any money back out. Perhaps they are owed considerable amounts.
*
But I agree your figure estimate.-- But take another Million OFF!!.
*
WELLS has to go ASAP. Get as much as possible, and re-build a L1 Squad.
*
YES YES.....The Brains trust couldn't wait to give Lawn his million back. BUT....The figures STILL don't stack up!!...WE SEEM TO HAVE LOST APROX £2 MILLION SOMEWHERE??. I am including the NEW debt figure that Lawn/Rhodes have dreamed up of course.
I am not having all this new increased wages RUBBISH....we have covered that with the increase in Season Tickets and gates!.
Its not like we EVER buy anyone worth a ****!.
WHERE HAS THIS MONEY GONE??.
Where do you think it has gone, it is sitting in a banck account to cover the expected losses which will be made this season so they don't end up in dire financial straights again.

Running a football club as a zero sum entity is a bloody good way to wind up in administration.

I personally think the club should be looking to move to a 50%+1 fan ownership structure much like many Bundesliga teams and if the Bulls had any brains they'd be looking to do the same thing.
Totally agree with your last point!.
As for your first point....This is not what we are being told!. we have virtually no money in the bank and the 700k loss this year will have to be found. Goodness knows what will happen if we lose the pending court case??.
WHERE HAS THIS MONEY GONE?.
[quote][p][bold]MrQuinque[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: QUOTE:- * Wrose bantam says...:- Where is last Seasons money?--Where has it gone?. etc. * Have you taken into account- that from last season's profit. MARK LAWN was re-paid £1 Million, that he had loaned to City. * Julian Rhodes and his Father , have put considerable money into City, to keep them going for many years. As far as I am aware --The Rhodes have not taken any money back out. Perhaps they are owed considerable amounts. * But I agree your figure estimate.-- But take another Million OFF!!. * WELLS has to go ASAP. Get as much as possible, and re-build a L1 Squad. *[/p][/quote]YES YES.....The Brains trust couldn't wait to give Lawn his million back. BUT....The figures STILL don't stack up!!...WE SEEM TO HAVE LOST APROX £2 MILLION SOMEWHERE??. I am including the NEW debt figure that Lawn/Rhodes have dreamed up of course. I am not having all this new increased wages RUBBISH....we have covered that with the increase in Season Tickets and gates!. Its not like we EVER buy anyone worth a ****!. WHERE HAS THIS MONEY GONE??.[/p][/quote]Where do you think it has gone, it is sitting in a banck account to cover the expected losses which will be made this season so they don't end up in dire financial straights again. Running a football club as a zero sum entity is a bloody good way to wind up in administration. I personally think the club should be looking to move to a 50%+1 fan ownership structure much like many Bundesliga teams and if the Bulls had any brains they'd be looking to do the same thing.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with your last point!. As for your first point....This is not what we are being told!. we have virtually no money in the bank and the 700k loss this year will have to be found. Goodness knows what will happen if we lose the pending court case??. WHERE HAS THIS MONEY GONE?. shaun from richmond
  • Score: 0

1:47pm Sun 5 Jan 14

queenyfan says...

If anyone wants to know facts about the financial status of the club can I suggest they speak to the Supporters Board. The Supporters Board is a brilliant idea, instigated by the club, and they operate at a level just below the football club board. They are privy to most financial information relevant to the club and although they have all signed confidentiality agreements with the club, they exist to act as a conduit between supporters and the club.
Its unique in the FL but other clubs are thinking of introducing similar models into their set ups.
A lot say we should have fan representation on the board, but Mark Lawn and Julian Rhodes, plus David Baldwin, and other members of the board are fans.
I would rather have this kind of situation than that at Cardiff and Hull.
Dont just spout about the money side of, attend forums, and listen to what those running the club have to say, ask them questions. You might be surprised by how frank and honest they are.
Thats true transparency.
If anyone wants to know facts about the financial status of the club can I suggest they speak to the Supporters Board. The Supporters Board is a brilliant idea, instigated by the club, and they operate at a level just below the football club board. They are privy to most financial information relevant to the club and although they have all signed confidentiality agreements with the club, they exist to act as a conduit between supporters and the club. Its unique in the FL but other clubs are thinking of introducing similar models into their set ups. A lot say we should have fan representation on the board, but Mark Lawn and Julian Rhodes, plus David Baldwin, and other members of the board are fans. I would rather have this kind of situation than that at Cardiff and Hull. Dont just spout about the money side of, attend forums, and listen to what those running the club have to say, ask them questions. You might be surprised by how frank and honest they are. Thats true transparency. queenyfan
  • Score: 3

1:49pm Sun 5 Jan 14

tinytoonster says...

lawsonio123 wrote:
my only vision wrote:
Let me make this statement and I know it makes good sense.
How can anyone say that Wells is jumping ship and he has no loyalty? Where is the loyalty coming from when an owner and manager cuts any player from the team, Where is the loyalty when McHugh, Connell etc. don't get any playing time? Where is the loyalty FROM YOU SICK AZZ FANS when Wells don't score in 2 months because of a goal scoring drought? I recall last year he went 2 plus months without a goal and the same folks here bashing for wanting to leave were the same folks kicking him out of town.
Wells is a very polite gentleman, very quietly spoken, very, very, very well mannered, shy, great upbringing and very reserved. How do you know what's going on inside his mind.
The way this club is being run does not look very professionally done. Why is all this info suppose to be confidential all spattered in the media. A well run club don't do that. You don't let the public know what you want and don't want for a player, a good poker player hides his hands close to his chest.
Do you all realize that a manager can only take you so far before its time to move on? How do you guys know if the money offered to Wells is really MUCH IMPROVED? You guys are hearing one side of the SHITuation., Maybe the manager don't get along with the player, like he doesn't treat his employees nice at all, look how he handled Forlan, look how he handles visiting coaches, look how he handles referees,
Why do you think we get NO **** PENALTIES? Because of Parky's nasty attitude towards the refs. The refers is an association, believe me they do talk.
Message to the owners, as long as Parky is in charge BCFC will get none if any penalty calls, Move him out and results will come. BCFC would've been in 4th if not for Parky's lame play tactics.
One more comment.
. Who will want to play under these conditions? I sure as hell won't. Its time to lay off Wells and assess your own club the way its run, maybe changes need to be made from the top and you may get very nice results.
What a LOAD of RUBBISH. Referees are honest men They do not ignore a penalty because they do not like a manager That is more than there job is Worth GROW UP AND TALK SENSE
yeah and footballers are honest and always give their all for the club and manager!
what pretend planet are you on?
referees are never punished for mistakes so of course they can.
human beings are always prone to being vindictive and spiteful, its in our dna.
do you never hear people cheering when an opponent gets injured etc?
sad but a fact of life.
[quote][p][bold]lawsonio123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]my only vision[/bold] wrote: Let me make this statement and I know it makes good sense. How can anyone say that Wells is jumping ship and he has no loyalty? Where is the loyalty coming from when an owner and manager cuts any player from the team, Where is the loyalty when McHugh, Connell etc. don't get any playing time? Where is the loyalty FROM YOU SICK AZZ FANS when Wells don't score in 2 months because of a goal scoring drought? I recall last year he went 2 plus months without a goal and the same folks here bashing for wanting to leave were the same folks kicking him out of town. Wells is a very polite gentleman, very quietly spoken, very, very, very well mannered, shy, great upbringing and very reserved. How do you know what's going on inside his mind. The way this club is being run does not look very professionally done. Why is all this info suppose to be confidential all spattered in the media. A well run club don't do that. You don't let the public know what you want and don't want for a player, a good poker player hides his hands close to his chest. Do you all realize that a manager can only take you so far before its time to move on? How do you guys know if the money offered to Wells is really MUCH IMPROVED? You guys are hearing one side of the SHITuation., Maybe the manager don't get along with the player, like he doesn't treat his employees nice at all, look how he handled Forlan, look how he handles visiting coaches, look how he handles referees, Why do you think we get NO **** PENALTIES? Because of Parky's nasty attitude towards the refs. The refers is an association, believe me they do talk. Message to the owners, as long as Parky is in charge BCFC will get none if any penalty calls, Move him out and results will come. BCFC would've been in 4th if not for Parky's lame play tactics. One more comment. . Who will want to play under these conditions? I sure as hell won't. Its time to lay off Wells and assess your own club the way its run, maybe changes need to be made from the top and you may get very nice results.[/p][/quote]What a LOAD of RUBBISH. Referees are honest men They do not ignore a penalty because they do not like a manager That is more than there job is Worth GROW UP AND TALK SENSE[/p][/quote]yeah and footballers are honest and always give their all for the club and manager! what pretend planet are you on? referees are never punished for mistakes so of course they can. human beings are always prone to being vindictive and spiteful, its in our dna. do you never hear people cheering when an opponent gets injured etc? sad but a fact of life. tinytoonster
  • Score: -2

2:47pm Sun 5 Jan 14

TirNaNog says...

I see the "Bar Room" managers have also become "Bar Room" accountants!
It's none of your business where any money has gone. Once you put your hand in your pocket and seriously invest and get on the Board then you may be privy to information. Until then your entrance fee entitles you to watch the match - nothing else!
I see the "Bar Room" managers have also become "Bar Room" accountants! It's none of your business where any money has gone. Once you put your hand in your pocket and seriously invest and get on the Board then you may be privy to information. Until then your entrance fee entitles you to watch the match - nothing else! TirNaNog
  • Score: -2

5:26pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Pablo says...

I can't believe some of the hysterical and inaccurate posts about Nahki Wells. May I remind those posters that the lad hasn't asked for a transfer. He was a significant part of last season and, where would we be without his goals last year? He has eighteen months of his contract to run and the club appear to have decided to virtually invite offers for him at this stage to maximise the fee.

I'd love him to stay but,if he goes, he leaves with my best wishes and thanks for his contribution on the pitch and for earning us a fee that strengthens our financial position.
I can't believe some of the hysterical and inaccurate posts about Nahki Wells. May I remind those posters that the lad hasn't asked for a transfer. He was a significant part of last season and, where would we be without his goals last year? He has eighteen months of his contract to run and the club appear to have decided to virtually invite offers for him at this stage to maximise the fee. I'd love him to stay but,if he goes, he leaves with my best wishes and thanks for his contribution on the pitch and for earning us a fee that strengthens our financial position. Pablo
  • Score: 6

6:44pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Ian H 1971 says...

ynotdunne wrote:
Starting to dislike some of the things.I hear about wells, won't talk to club heart set on championship next season! Loyalty Mr wells
No such thing as loyalty in anything these days, especially Football where players are merely rich men's assetts...just like race horse owners. So players are moved around from club to club, and if they wish to move so be it. I have loved every minute of watching Wells play for Bradford and I wish him the best of luck.
[quote][p][bold]ynotdunne[/bold] wrote: Starting to dislike some of the things.I hear about wells, won't talk to club heart set on championship next season! Loyalty Mr wells[/p][/quote]No such thing as loyalty in anything these days, especially Football where players are merely rich men's assetts...just like race horse owners. So players are moved around from club to club, and if they wish to move so be it. I have loved every minute of watching Wells play for Bradford and I wish him the best of luck. Ian H 1971
  • Score: 4

8:11am Mon 6 Jan 14

Statler4 says...

Pablo wrote:
I can't believe some of the hysterical and inaccurate posts about Nahki Wells. May I remind those posters that the lad hasn't asked for a transfer. He was a significant part of last season and, where would we be without his goals last year? He has eighteen months of his contract to run and the club appear to have decided to virtually invite offers for him at this stage to maximise the fee.

I'd love him to stay but,if he goes, he leaves with my best wishes and thanks for his contribution on the pitch and for earning us a fee that strengthens our financial position.
H doesn't need to ask for a transfer, he's fully of the interest in him. The club have offered him a new contract making him the highest paid player at the club, he has said no. That means he wants to move on if he gets the chance. So far as loyalty is concerned, people need to accept players are not necessarily supporters or fans of the club they play for.
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: I can't believe some of the hysterical and inaccurate posts about Nahki Wells. May I remind those posters that the lad hasn't asked for a transfer. He was a significant part of last season and, where would we be without his goals last year? He has eighteen months of his contract to run and the club appear to have decided to virtually invite offers for him at this stage to maximise the fee. I'd love him to stay but,if he goes, he leaves with my best wishes and thanks for his contribution on the pitch and for earning us a fee that strengthens our financial position.[/p][/quote]H doesn't need to ask for a transfer, he's fully of the interest in him. The club have offered him a new contract making him the highest paid player at the club, he has said no. That means he wants to move on if he gets the chance. So far as loyalty is concerned, people need to accept players are not necessarily supporters or fans of the club they play for. Statler4
  • Score: 2

1:10pm Mon 6 Jan 14

shaun from richmond says...

queenyfan wrote:
If anyone wants to know facts about the financial status of the club can I suggest they speak to the Supporters Board. The Supporters Board is a brilliant idea, instigated by the club, and they operate at a level just below the football club board. They are privy to most financial information relevant to the club and although they have all signed confidentiality agreements with the club, they exist to act as a conduit between supporters and the club.
Its unique in the FL but other clubs are thinking of introducing similar models into their set ups.
A lot say we should have fan representation on the board, but Mark Lawn and Julian Rhodes, plus David Baldwin, and other members of the board are fans.
I would rather have this kind of situation than that at Cardiff and Hull.
Dont just spout about the money side of, attend forums, and listen to what those running the club have to say, ask them questions. You might be surprised by how frank and honest they are.
Thats true transparency.
The supporters board is a nice little club within a club. They do NOT act as a conduit between supporters and the club......they get fed certain info and believe they are above the general supporter. The Supporters board was set up to keep Supporters even further in the dark!
[quote][p][bold]queenyfan[/bold] wrote: If anyone wants to know facts about the financial status of the club can I suggest they speak to the Supporters Board. The Supporters Board is a brilliant idea, instigated by the club, and they operate at a level just below the football club board. They are privy to most financial information relevant to the club and although they have all signed confidentiality agreements with the club, they exist to act as a conduit between supporters and the club. Its unique in the FL but other clubs are thinking of introducing similar models into their set ups. A lot say we should have fan representation on the board, but Mark Lawn and Julian Rhodes, plus David Baldwin, and other members of the board are fans. I would rather have this kind of situation than that at Cardiff and Hull. Dont just spout about the money side of, attend forums, and listen to what those running the club have to say, ask them questions. You might be surprised by how frank and honest they are. Thats true transparency.[/p][/quote]The supporters board is a nice little club within a club. They do NOT act as a conduit between supporters and the club......they get fed certain info and believe they are above the general supporter. The Supporters board was set up to keep Supporters even further in the dark! shaun from richmond
  • Score: 1

1:14pm Mon 6 Jan 14

nowt fresh says...

queenyfan wrote:
If anyone wants to know facts about the financial status of the club can I suggest they speak to the Supporters Board. The Supporters Board is a brilliant idea, instigated by the club, and they operate at a level just below the football club board. They are privy to most financial information relevant to the club and although they have all signed confidentiality agreements with the club, they exist to act as a conduit between supporters and the club. Its unique in the FL but other clubs are thinking of introducing similar models into their set ups. A lot say we should have fan representation on the board, but Mark Lawn and Julian Rhodes, plus David Baldwin, and other members of the board are fans. I would rather have this kind of situation than that at Cardiff and Hull. Dont just spout about the money side of, attend forums, and listen to what those running the club have to say, ask them questions. You might be surprised by how frank and honest they are. Thats true transparency.
Well if they have all "signed confidentiality agreements" what's the point of asking the Supporters Board ? as they would be potentially prosecuted for libel if they disclosed things said at the above meetings, surely that's the reason they all signed confidentiality agrements?.

Having said the above I'm more than happy to have the likes of Lawn,Rhodes and Baldwin running our club rather than "johnny foreigner".
[quote][p][bold]queenyfan[/bold] wrote: If anyone wants to know facts about the financial status of the club can I suggest they speak to the Supporters Board. The Supporters Board is a brilliant idea, instigated by the club, and they operate at a level just below the football club board. They are privy to most financial information relevant to the club and although they have all signed confidentiality agreements with the club, they exist to act as a conduit between supporters and the club. Its unique in the FL but other clubs are thinking of introducing similar models into their set ups. A lot say we should have fan representation on the board, but Mark Lawn and Julian Rhodes, plus David Baldwin, and other members of the board are fans. I would rather have this kind of situation than that at Cardiff and Hull. Dont just spout about the money side of, attend forums, and listen to what those running the club have to say, ask them questions. You might be surprised by how frank and honest they are. Thats true transparency.[/p][/quote]Well if they have all "signed confidentiality agreements" what's the point of asking the Supporters Board ? as they would be potentially prosecuted for libel if they disclosed things said at the above meetings, surely that's the reason they all signed confidentiality agrements?. Having said the above I'm more than happy to have the likes of Lawn,Rhodes and Baldwin running our club rather than "johnny foreigner". nowt fresh
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3:02pm Fri 10 Jan 14

darrenf says...

ynotdunne wrote:
Starting to dislike some of the things.I hear about wells, won't talk to club heart set on championship next season! Loyalty Mr wells
if he wasn't playing well the club would get rid. he is a player that is capable of playing at a higher level and should be allowed to try improve himself
[quote][p][bold]ynotdunne[/bold] wrote: Starting to dislike some of the things.I hear about wells, won't talk to club heart set on championship next season! Loyalty Mr wells[/p][/quote]if he wasn't playing well the club would get rid. he is a player that is capable of playing at a higher level and should be allowed to try improve himself darrenf
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