Bradford City boss Parkinson raves about Ricky after Swindon draw

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: HIGH AND MIGHTY: City centre-back Rory McArdle opens the scoring against Swindon at Valley Parade with a trademark header HIGH AND MIGHTY: City centre-back Rory McArdle opens the scoring against Swindon at Valley Parade with a trademark header

Phil Parkinson singled out Ricky Ravenhill for his “first class” return to Valley Parade.

The former club captain made his first league start of the season in yesterday’s 1-1 draw with Swindon.

Parkinson brought Ravenhill back early from an eight-game loan spell at Northampton – and was delighted by the midfield scrapper’s first performance back in City colours.

“Ricky set the tone,” said the City boss. “I thought he was excellent for us. Unfortunately he took a whack on his knee, which was a shame, but didn’t want to come off – that’s typical Ricky.

“The way he tackled and closed down as well as passing the ball was superb. His attitude is first class.

“When he went on loan, I said at the time that I didn’t want him to go. But Ricky just wanted to play.

“One great benefit for us is that we’ve got a player who is really up to speed in terms of match fitness.

“When we called him back, I told him he would be playing over Christmas at some point. Aidy Boothroyd had left Northampton and ultimately Ricky wanted to show he can play here – that’s his motivation.

“I just hope his knee’s okay for Wednesday (against Notts County) because we’re going to need him.”

City will be missing top scorer Nahki Wells, who went off in the first half with a tight hamstring. As the transfer window reopens, fans will be wondering if the in-demand striker will be seen again at Valley Parade.

Parkinson was gutted to lose him after James Hanson returned from a two-game injury absence. The targetman had only trained for half an hour on Saturday following a calf problem.

Parkinson added: “It’s a blow for us because Nahki and Hans are probably regarded as the best front two in the league and we just can’t get them on the pitch together for a full game.

“We got a goal up and then lost our key striker. You take the top scorer out of any team and it’s always going to be tough against a good team like Swindon. Without Nahki, we just lacked that clinical edge in the final third.

“This time of the year when the ground gets heavy, you’ll see a lot of players get those type of injuries.”

Rory McArdle, back from his one-game ban, had headed City ahead from a Gary Jones corner after 16 minutes.

But hopes of a first home win since September were dashed by a stunning second-half equaliser from Swindon’s Spurs loanee Alex Pritchard.

“He’s an outstanding player,” admitted Parkinson. “He’s way above this level in my eyes.

“We’d spoken about having to get round him quickly when he gets the ball so that’s the disappointing thing from my point of view.

“It will go down as another fantastic goal scored against us but I felt we could have done better.”

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7:24am Mon 30 Dec 13

realcitygent says...

got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan realcitygent

9:17am Mon 30 Dec 13

whisky1 says...

Parky will be pleased with a point against a good side. At some point we will have to consider matching sides up in midfield as we just couldn't get ball enough again
Parky will be pleased with a point against a good side. At some point we will have to consider matching sides up in midfield as we just couldn't get ball enough again whisky1

9:18am Mon 30 Dec 13

Halifax Bantam says...

realcitygent wrote:
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP!
[quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan[/p][/quote]Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP! Halifax Bantam

9:35am Mon 30 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

realcitygent wrote:
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
Find that report then.

I clearly remember Parky saying exactly what is said above, Ricky wants to play but we don't want him to leave but can't guarantee the amount of football he wants to be playing at his age. He told Connell he could find another club if he wanted but he preferred to stay.

He has gone out played 7 or 8 games and looked to be one of the hungrier, sharpest players on the pitch. More or less the same as when he came in from the cold last season and was instrumental in dragging us over the line into the play offs
[quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan[/p][/quote]Find that report then. I clearly remember Parky saying exactly what is said above, Ricky wants to play but we don't want him to leave but can't guarantee the amount of football he wants to be playing at his age. He told Connell he could find another club if he wanted but he preferred to stay. He has gone out played 7 or 8 games and looked to be one of the hungrier, sharpest players on the pitch. More or less the same as when he came in from the cold last season and was instrumental in dragging us over the line into the play offs Prisoner Cell Block A

9:55am Mon 30 Dec 13

MrsAngryofRidd says...

Ravenhill certainly one of the better players out there yesterday.

Doubt we will see Wells again, Blackburn won't want him too injured.

Hopefully a new year will get us back to winning ways.
Ravenhill certainly one of the better players out there yesterday. Doubt we will see Wells again, Blackburn won't want him too injured. Hopefully a new year will get us back to winning ways. MrsAngryofRidd

10:02am Mon 30 Dec 13

whisky1 says...

Halifax Bantam wrote:
realcitygent wrote:
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP!
its nowt to do with Jonahs legs going you try playing against an extra midfielder or more. Swindon played two deep lying and 3 behind a lone striker. Its been the same story all season. If you want to play two widemen who aren't particularly defence minded your 2 midfielders are alus gonna get a run around
[quote][p][bold]Halifax Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan[/p][/quote]Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP![/p][/quote]its nowt to do with Jonahs legs going you try playing against an extra midfielder or more. Swindon played two deep lying and 3 behind a lone striker. Its been the same story all season. If you want to play two widemen who aren't particularly defence minded your 2 midfielders are alus gonna get a run around whisky1

10:04am Mon 30 Dec 13

collos25 says...

Until a lot more money is injected into the club and very astute buying of players then a mid place in the table is all that can be expected. As it stands the club is reasonable well run and appears to paying its way do we really want promotion at any cost it was tried before and look where that got us.
Until a lot more money is injected into the club and very astute buying of players then a mid place in the table is all that can be expected. As it stands the club is reasonable well run and appears to paying its way do we really want promotion at any cost it was tried before and look where that got us. collos25

10:10am Mon 30 Dec 13

Peter300 says...

realcitygent wrote:
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
Good management from Phil. How many 'replacements' would you like sat around? You do not consider the player. People like you never do.
[quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan[/p][/quote]Good management from Phil. How many 'replacements' would you like sat around? You do not consider the player. People like you never do. Peter300

10:12am Mon 30 Dec 13

Peter300 says...

Halifax Bantam wrote:
realcitygent wrote:
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP!
Good management from Phil. How many 'replacements' would you like sat around? You do not consider the player. People like you never do.
[quote][p][bold]Halifax Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan[/p][/quote]Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP![/p][/quote]Good management from Phil. How many 'replacements' would you like sat around? You do not consider the player. People like you never do. Peter300

10:18am Mon 30 Dec 13

Peter300 says...

Halifax Bantam wrote:
realcitygent wrote:
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP!
Well, Gary Jones is not a fans favourite at the moment. They are calling him all sorts of names. I thought he had a decent games, so I would put my faith in the player rather than those verbally abusing him. Yes, you heard that right. City fans insulting Gary Jones.
[quote][p][bold]Halifax Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan[/p][/quote]Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP![/p][/quote]Well, Gary Jones is not a fans favourite at the moment. They are calling him all sorts of names. I thought he had a decent games, so I would put my faith in the player rather than those verbally abusing him. Yes, you heard that right. City fans insulting Gary Jones. Peter300

10:20am Mon 30 Dec 13

Peter300 says...

MrsAngryofRidd wrote:
Ravenhill certainly one of the better players out there yesterday.

Doubt we will see Wells again, Blackburn won't want him too injured.

Hopefully a new year will get us back to winning ways.
Never mind 'Blackburn' or the rumour mongers. If Nahki is fit and a City player he should play. What is 'too injured' by the way. Please explain.
[quote][p][bold]MrsAngryofRidd[/bold] wrote: Ravenhill certainly one of the better players out there yesterday. Doubt we will see Wells again, Blackburn won't want him too injured. Hopefully a new year will get us back to winning ways.[/p][/quote]Never mind 'Blackburn' or the rumour mongers. If Nahki is fit and a City player he should play. What is 'too injured' by the way. Please explain. Peter300

10:29am Mon 30 Dec 13

Peter300 says...

whisky1 wrote:
Halifax Bantam wrote:
realcitygent wrote:
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP!
its nowt to do with Jonahs legs going you try playing against an extra midfielder or more. Swindon played two deep lying and 3 behind a lone striker. Its been the same story all season. If you want to play two widemen who aren't particularly defence minded your 2 midfielders are alus gonna get a run around
Yeah, and wait for the reaction if Phil plays one up front or does not play with two wingers. There will be an avalanche of whingers, whiners, moaners and all the usual suspects on here and elsewhere complaining about 'negative tactics.' Give these people credit, they are good at being miserable, but you would never let them anywhere near a professional football team.
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Halifax Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan[/p][/quote]Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP![/p][/quote]its nowt to do with Jonahs legs going you try playing against an extra midfielder or more. Swindon played two deep lying and 3 behind a lone striker. Its been the same story all season. If you want to play two widemen who aren't particularly defence minded your 2 midfielders are alus gonna get a run around[/p][/quote]Yeah, and wait for the reaction if Phil plays one up front or does not play with two wingers. There will be an avalanche of whingers, whiners, moaners and all the usual suspects on here and elsewhere complaining about 'negative tactics.' Give these people credit, they are good at being miserable, but you would never let them anywhere near a professional football team. Peter300

10:36am Mon 30 Dec 13

shaun from richmond says...

Peter300 wrote:
Halifax Bantam wrote:
realcitygent wrote:
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP!
Well, Gary Jones is not a fans favourite at the moment. They are calling him all sorts of names. I thought he had a decent games, so I would put my faith in the player rather than those verbally abusing him. Yes, you heard that right. City fans insulting Gary Jones.
HOW ON EARTH WOULD YOU KNOW IF JONES WAS A FANS FAVOURITE, OR NOT!!...YOU DONT GO TO GAMES!!.
Attending Skipton library between 10am and 11am does not make you an expert!.
PLUS.......You wanted Parky sacked early last year!!....OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN??
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Halifax Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan[/p][/quote]Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP![/p][/quote]Well, Gary Jones is not a fans favourite at the moment. They are calling him all sorts of names. I thought he had a decent games, so I would put my faith in the player rather than those verbally abusing him. Yes, you heard that right. City fans insulting Gary Jones.[/p][/quote]HOW ON EARTH WOULD YOU KNOW IF JONES WAS A FANS FAVOURITE, OR NOT!!...YOU DONT GO TO GAMES!!. Attending Skipton library between 10am and 11am does not make you an expert!. PLUS.......You wanted Parky sacked early last year!!....OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN?? shaun from richmond

10:39am Mon 30 Dec 13

wakefieldbantam says...

realcitygent wrote:
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
Got to laugh at you and your negativity which knows no bounds, you really think lining up a replacement for Nahki is going to be easy.
Parkinson never once told Ravenhil to look elsewhere so stop making things up.
Things may well get better when Davies gets back as he is in my opinion a key player and a natural leader by which time you'll have slagged every player we have off, at least Reid has escaped this tme!
[quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan[/p][/quote]Got to laugh at you and your negativity which knows no bounds, you really think lining up a replacement for Nahki is going to be easy. Parkinson never once told Ravenhil to look elsewhere so stop making things up. Things may well get better when Davies gets back as he is in my opinion a key player and a natural leader by which time you'll have slagged every player we have off, at least Reid has escaped this tme! wakefieldbantam

10:42am Mon 30 Dec 13

wakefieldbantam says...

shaun from richmond wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
Halifax Bantam wrote:
realcitygent wrote:
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP!
Well, Gary Jones is not a fans favourite at the moment. They are calling him all sorts of names. I thought he had a decent games, so I would put my faith in the player rather than those verbally abusing him. Yes, you heard that right. City fans insulting Gary Jones.
HOW ON EARTH WOULD YOU KNOW IF JONES WAS A FANS FAVOURITE, OR NOT!!...YOU DONT GO TO GAMES!!.
Attending Skipton library between 10am and 11am does not make you an expert!.
PLUS.......You wanted Parky sacked early last year!!....OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN??
Ha ha! Think that was you Shauny boy who wanted Parkinson sacked for most of the previous two seasons or have you forgotten?
[quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Halifax Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan[/p][/quote]Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP![/p][/quote]Well, Gary Jones is not a fans favourite at the moment. They are calling him all sorts of names. I thought he had a decent games, so I would put my faith in the player rather than those verbally abusing him. Yes, you heard that right. City fans insulting Gary Jones.[/p][/quote]HOW ON EARTH WOULD YOU KNOW IF JONES WAS A FANS FAVOURITE, OR NOT!!...YOU DONT GO TO GAMES!!. Attending Skipton library between 10am and 11am does not make you an expert!. PLUS.......You wanted Parky sacked early last year!!....OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN??[/p][/quote]Ha ha! Think that was you Shauny boy who wanted Parkinson sacked for most of the previous two seasons or have you forgotten? wakefieldbantam

10:44am Mon 30 Dec 13

shaun from richmond says...

Big James is back.....So Parky can now play his tried and tested "HOOF IT" up to the big fella Football!.
After the Shocking display against Rothers ....."talk about havnt a clue".....good to get back to what we do best...HOOF IT!!.
It saves the poor midfield having to do any work....ITS THE FUTURE.....HOOF IT!!......As long as we have BIG JAMES of course.
Big James is back.....So Parky can now play his tried and tested "HOOF IT" up to the big fella Football!. After the Shocking display against Rothers ....."talk about havnt a clue".....good to get back to what we do best...HOOF IT!!. It saves the poor midfield having to do any work....ITS THE FUTURE.....HOOF IT!!......As long as we have BIG JAMES of course. shaun from richmond

10:48am Mon 30 Dec 13

shaun from richmond says...

wakefieldbantam wrote:
shaun from richmond wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
Halifax Bantam wrote:
realcitygent wrote:
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP!
Well, Gary Jones is not a fans favourite at the moment. They are calling him all sorts of names. I thought he had a decent games, so I would put my faith in the player rather than those verbally abusing him. Yes, you heard that right. City fans insulting Gary Jones.
HOW ON EARTH WOULD YOU KNOW IF JONES WAS A FANS FAVOURITE, OR NOT!!...YOU DONT GO TO GAMES!!.
Attending Skipton library between 10am and 11am does not make you an expert!.
PLUS.......You wanted Parky sacked early last year!!....OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN??
Ha ha! Think that was you Shauny boy who wanted Parkinson sacked for most of the previous two seasons or have you forgotten?
Totally agree!!....Im his biggest critic....Coaching Parky, style is "HOOF IT" then "HOOF IT" and if you can "HOOF IT"....and we wonder why English coaches are in the Dark Ages!.
What I cant stand.......is people like "Peter" who make out they have always supported the manager....WHEN THEY HAVE NOT!!
[quote][p][bold]wakefieldbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Halifax Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan[/p][/quote]Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP![/p][/quote]Well, Gary Jones is not a fans favourite at the moment. They are calling him all sorts of names. I thought he had a decent games, so I would put my faith in the player rather than those verbally abusing him. Yes, you heard that right. City fans insulting Gary Jones.[/p][/quote]HOW ON EARTH WOULD YOU KNOW IF JONES WAS A FANS FAVOURITE, OR NOT!!...YOU DONT GO TO GAMES!!. Attending Skipton library between 10am and 11am does not make you an expert!. PLUS.......You wanted Parky sacked early last year!!....OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN??[/p][/quote]Ha ha! Think that was you Shauny boy who wanted Parkinson sacked for most of the previous two seasons or have you forgotten?[/p][/quote]Totally agree!!....Im his biggest critic....Coaching Parky, style is "HOOF IT" then "HOOF IT" and if you can "HOOF IT"....and we wonder why English coaches are in the Dark Ages!. What I cant stand.......is people like "Peter" who make out they have always supported the manager....WHEN THEY HAVE NOT!! shaun from richmond

10:55am Mon 30 Dec 13

whisky1 says...

shaun from richmond wrote:
Big James is back.....So Parky can now play his tried and tested "HOOF IT" up to the big fella Football!.
After the Shocking display against Rothers ....."talk about havnt a clue".....good to get back to what we do best...HOOF IT!!.
It saves the poor midfield having to do any work....ITS THE FUTURE.....HOOF IT!!......As long as we have BIG JAMES of course.
I am sure you appreciate (?) that we should use what assets we have at are disposal to their best. Hans dominated Premiership defenders last season and as MarK Cooper admitted yesterday we use Jim effectively. Given a modicum of time Parky can no doubt recruit to employ a more refined game.
[quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: Big James is back.....So Parky can now play his tried and tested "HOOF IT" up to the big fella Football!. After the Shocking display against Rothers ....."talk about havnt a clue".....good to get back to what we do best...HOOF IT!!. It saves the poor midfield having to do any work....ITS THE FUTURE.....HOOF IT!!......As long as we have BIG JAMES of course.[/p][/quote]I am sure you appreciate (?) that we should use what assets we have at are disposal to their best. Hans dominated Premiership defenders last season and as MarK Cooper admitted yesterday we use Jim effectively. Given a modicum of time Parky can no doubt recruit to employ a more refined game. whisky1

11:07am Mon 30 Dec 13

realcitygent says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
realcitygent wrote:
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
Find that report then.

I clearly remember Parky saying exactly what is said above, Ricky wants to play but we don't want him to leave but can't guarantee the amount of football he wants to be playing at his age. He told Connell he could find another club if he wanted but he preferred to stay.

He has gone out played 7 or 8 games and looked to be one of the hungrier, sharpest players on the pitch. More or less the same as when he came in from the cold last season and was instrumental in dragging us over the line into the play offs
glad to see someone wit a bit sence ,parky did say ravenhill could go as well as connell,you always have a clown writing in to disagree that clown goes by the name peter 300 ,when i say about a replacement for wells i mean when he gets injured who steps in ,all teams apart from us seem to have cover in that position,its like a team only having 1 goal keeper on the books ,why has parky signed all these players if he doesnt think they upto it ,so it sounds like peter is saying we dont need anyone to step in incase either striker gets injured ,football is a squad game so you need cover everywere on pitch ,if not we would only have 4 deffenders ,were we have 6 thats cover ,i think peter watches the games wit rose tinted glasses if he goes at all,most managers in parkys position at the min would be shown the door after not winning for so long ,think we need to look at were we are end of season,lets hope he brings in some decent loan signings from higher div clubs and NOT just players who have played under him befor
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan[/p][/quote]Find that report then. I clearly remember Parky saying exactly what is said above, Ricky wants to play but we don't want him to leave but can't guarantee the amount of football he wants to be playing at his age. He told Connell he could find another club if he wanted but he preferred to stay. He has gone out played 7 or 8 games and looked to be one of the hungrier, sharpest players on the pitch. More or less the same as when he came in from the cold last season and was instrumental in dragging us over the line into the play offs[/p][/quote]glad to see someone wit a bit sence ,parky did say ravenhill could go as well as connell,you always have a clown writing in to disagree that clown goes by the name peter 300 ,when i say about a replacement for wells i mean when he gets injured who steps in ,all teams apart from us seem to have cover in that position,its like a team only having 1 goal keeper on the books ,why has parky signed all these players if he doesnt think they upto it ,so it sounds like peter is saying we dont need anyone to step in incase either striker gets injured ,football is a squad game so you need cover everywere on pitch ,if not we would only have 4 deffenders ,were we have 6 thats cover ,i think peter watches the games wit rose tinted glasses if he goes at all,most managers in parkys position at the min would be shown the door after not winning for so long ,think we need to look at were we are end of season,lets hope he brings in some decent loan signings from higher div clubs and NOT just players who have played under him befor realcitygent

11:07am Mon 30 Dec 13

CheltCityFan says...

As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door.

I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment.

I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend.

Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time.

I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing.

This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.
As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door. I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment. I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend. Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time. I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing. This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves. CheltCityFan

11:12am Mon 30 Dec 13

whisky1 says...

realcitygent wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
realcitygent wrote:
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
Find that report then.

I clearly remember Parky saying exactly what is said above, Ricky wants to play but we don't want him to leave but can't guarantee the amount of football he wants to be playing at his age. He told Connell he could find another club if he wanted but he preferred to stay.

He has gone out played 7 or 8 games and looked to be one of the hungrier, sharpest players on the pitch. More or less the same as when he came in from the cold last season and was instrumental in dragging us over the line into the play offs
glad to see someone wit a bit sence ,parky did say ravenhill could go as well as connell,you always have a clown writing in to disagree that clown goes by the name peter 300 ,when i say about a replacement for wells i mean when he gets injured who steps in ,all teams apart from us seem to have cover in that position,its like a team only having 1 goal keeper on the books ,why has parky signed all these players if he doesnt think they upto it ,so it sounds like peter is saying we dont need anyone to step in incase either striker gets injured ,football is a squad game so you need cover everywere on pitch ,if not we would only have 4 deffenders ,were we have 6 thats cover ,i think peter watches the games wit rose tinted glasses if he goes at all,most managers in parkys position at the min would be shown the door after not winning for so long ,think we need to look at were we are end of season,lets hope he brings in some decent loan signings from higher div clubs and NOT just players who have played under him befor
Try a bit of punctuation it helps
[quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan[/p][/quote]Find that report then. I clearly remember Parky saying exactly what is said above, Ricky wants to play but we don't want him to leave but can't guarantee the amount of football he wants to be playing at his age. He told Connell he could find another club if he wanted but he preferred to stay. He has gone out played 7 or 8 games and looked to be one of the hungrier, sharpest players on the pitch. More or less the same as when he came in from the cold last season and was instrumental in dragging us over the line into the play offs[/p][/quote]glad to see someone wit a bit sence ,parky did say ravenhill could go as well as connell,you always have a clown writing in to disagree that clown goes by the name peter 300 ,when i say about a replacement for wells i mean when he gets injured who steps in ,all teams apart from us seem to have cover in that position,its like a team only having 1 goal keeper on the books ,why has parky signed all these players if he doesnt think they upto it ,so it sounds like peter is saying we dont need anyone to step in incase either striker gets injured ,football is a squad game so you need cover everywere on pitch ,if not we would only have 4 deffenders ,were we have 6 thats cover ,i think peter watches the games wit rose tinted glasses if he goes at all,most managers in parkys position at the min would be shown the door after not winning for so long ,think we need to look at were we are end of season,lets hope he brings in some decent loan signings from higher div clubs and NOT just players who have played under him befor[/p][/quote]Try a bit of punctuation it helps whisky1

11:14am Mon 30 Dec 13

whisky1 says...

CheltCityFan wrote:
As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door.

I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment.

I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend.

Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time.

I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing.

This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.
Quality post mate
[quote][p][bold]CheltCityFan[/bold] wrote: As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door. I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment. I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend. Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time. I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing. This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.[/p][/quote]Quality post mate whisky1

11:31am Mon 30 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

whisky1 wrote:
CheltCityFan wrote:
As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door.

I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment.

I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend.

Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time.

I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing.

This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.
Quality post mate
Seconded.

Perspective and an intelligent point of view is required.

We have lost a quarter of our games only so far this season, and I think I am right in saying we have now played every team. If the second half mirrors the first half of this season I would happily take a 10th place finish. I would also welcome the next stage of building our squad and club up again, a steady and sure climb is far better than chasing glory and coming crashing back down.
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CheltCityFan[/bold] wrote: As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door. I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment. I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend. Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time. I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing. This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.[/p][/quote]Quality post mate[/p][/quote]Seconded. Perspective and an intelligent point of view is required. We have lost a quarter of our games only so far this season, and I think I am right in saying we have now played every team. If the second half mirrors the first half of this season I would happily take a 10th place finish. I would also welcome the next stage of building our squad and club up again, a steady and sure climb is far better than chasing glory and coming crashing back down. Prisoner Cell Block A

11:42am Mon 30 Dec 13

lawsonio123 says...

whisky1 wrote:
CheltCityFan wrote:
As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door.

I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment.

I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend.

Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time.

I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing.

This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.
Quality post mate
Very well put your remarks are spot on and your backing of City without any moaning as some do is nice to see Well Done
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CheltCityFan[/bold] wrote: As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door. I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment. I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend. Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time. I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing. This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.[/p][/quote]Quality post mate[/p][/quote]Very well put your remarks are spot on and your backing of City without any moaning as some do is nice to see Well Done lawsonio123

11:44am Mon 30 Dec 13

spleen ventor says...

CheltCityFan wrote:
As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door.

I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment.

I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend.

Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time.

I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing.

This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.
Excellent post and a refreshing change from the rantings of some of the cretins on here.
Perspective and reality...key words...anyone who wouldn't have taken tenth in League One a year ago haven't been following City's fortunes as long as you and me mate.
[quote][p][bold]CheltCityFan[/bold] wrote: As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door. I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment. I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend. Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time. I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing. This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.[/p][/quote]Excellent post and a refreshing change from the rantings of some of the cretins on here. Perspective and reality...key words...anyone who wouldn't have taken tenth in League One a year ago haven't been following City's fortunes as long as you and me mate. spleen ventor

11:57am Mon 30 Dec 13

wakefieldbantam says...

shaun from richmond wrote:
wakefieldbantam wrote:
shaun from richmond wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
Halifax Bantam wrote:
realcitygent wrote:
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP!
Well, Gary Jones is not a fans favourite at the moment. They are calling him all sorts of names. I thought he had a decent games, so I would put my faith in the player rather than those verbally abusing him. Yes, you heard that right. City fans insulting Gary Jones.
HOW ON EARTH WOULD YOU KNOW IF JONES WAS A FANS FAVOURITE, OR NOT!!...YOU DONT GO TO GAMES!!.
Attending Skipton library between 10am and 11am does not make you an expert!.
PLUS.......You wanted Parky sacked early last year!!....OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN??
Ha ha! Think that was you Shauny boy who wanted Parkinson sacked for most of the previous two seasons or have you forgotten?
Totally agree!!....Im his biggest critic....Coaching Parky, style is "HOOF IT" then "HOOF IT" and if you can "HOOF IT"....and we wonder why English coaches are in the Dark Ages!.
What I cant stand.......is people like "Peter" who make out they have always supported the manager....WHEN THEY HAVE NOT!!
Fair enough Shaun you've not denied wanting Parkinson out, but he's still has a lot of credit in the bank for what has happened over the last 18 months.
In my opinion we still can play good football its when we're struggling we do resort to route one.
If you heard Parkinson's interview on the Pulse he admitted we're lacking a bit of quality and he's looking to bring in 2 long term loan signings from Premiership clubs which is just want we need. Last season's side may well have gone as far as it can and now is the time to strengthen the starting 11 and that is exactly what Parkinson is trying to do.
[quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wakefieldbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Halifax Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan[/p][/quote]Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP![/p][/quote]Well, Gary Jones is not a fans favourite at the moment. They are calling him all sorts of names. I thought he had a decent games, so I would put my faith in the player rather than those verbally abusing him. Yes, you heard that right. City fans insulting Gary Jones.[/p][/quote]HOW ON EARTH WOULD YOU KNOW IF JONES WAS A FANS FAVOURITE, OR NOT!!...YOU DONT GO TO GAMES!!. Attending Skipton library between 10am and 11am does not make you an expert!. PLUS.......You wanted Parky sacked early last year!!....OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN??[/p][/quote]Ha ha! Think that was you Shauny boy who wanted Parkinson sacked for most of the previous two seasons or have you forgotten?[/p][/quote]Totally agree!!....Im his biggest critic....Coaching Parky, style is "HOOF IT" then "HOOF IT" and if you can "HOOF IT"....and we wonder why English coaches are in the Dark Ages!. What I cant stand.......is people like "Peter" who make out they have always supported the manager....WHEN THEY HAVE NOT!![/p][/quote]Fair enough Shaun you've not denied wanting Parkinson out, but he's still has a lot of credit in the bank for what has happened over the last 18 months. In my opinion we still can play good football its when we're struggling we do resort to route one. If you heard Parkinson's interview on the Pulse he admitted we're lacking a bit of quality and he's looking to bring in 2 long term loan signings from Premiership clubs which is just want we need. Last season's side may well have gone as far as it can and now is the time to strengthen the starting 11 and that is exactly what Parkinson is trying to do. wakefieldbantam

12:07pm Mon 30 Dec 13

minkiebantam says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
whisky1 wrote:
CheltCityFan wrote:
As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door.

I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment.

I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend.

Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time.

I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing.

This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.
Quality post mate
Seconded.

Perspective and an intelligent point of view is required.

We have lost a quarter of our games only so far this season, and I think I am right in saying we have now played every team. If the second half mirrors the first half of this season I would happily take a 10th place finish. I would also welcome the next stage of building our squad and club up again, a steady and sure climb is far better than chasing glory and coming crashing back down.
I third these comments. After this year, the only thing that would better it would be automatic promotion and an Cup final!!? This of coarse is not gonna happe, so all supporters should settle for second best. A top 12 finish and the majority of the team still in place ready to build on next season.
On another note. I was suprised not many people stood up to applaud Wells off on Sunday. That possibly could have been the last time we see him in a city shirt (hope im wrong!?).
CTID!!
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CheltCityFan[/bold] wrote: As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door. I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment. I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend. Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time. I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing. This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.[/p][/quote]Quality post mate[/p][/quote]Seconded. Perspective and an intelligent point of view is required. We have lost a quarter of our games only so far this season, and I think I am right in saying we have now played every team. If the second half mirrors the first half of this season I would happily take a 10th place finish. I would also welcome the next stage of building our squad and club up again, a steady and sure climb is far better than chasing glory and coming crashing back down.[/p][/quote]I third these comments. After this year, the only thing that would better it would be automatic promotion and an Cup final!!? This of coarse is not gonna happe, so all supporters should settle for second best. A top 12 finish and the majority of the team still in place ready to build on next season. On another note. I was suprised not many people stood up to applaud Wells off on Sunday. That possibly could have been the last time we see him in a city shirt (hope im wrong!?). CTID!! minkiebantam

12:32pm Mon 30 Dec 13

KnightMcCall says...

CheltCityFan wrote:
As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door.

I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment.

I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend.

Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time.

I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing.

This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.
...and the award for best post of 2013 goes too

Nice to see that it's not jus morons that post on here.

Shaun, please go back to the hole that you hid in whilst we were getting to a cup final and winning promotion.
[quote][p][bold]CheltCityFan[/bold] wrote: As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door. I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment. I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend. Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time. I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing. This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.[/p][/quote]...and the award for best post of 2013 goes too Nice to see that it's not jus morons that post on here. Shaun, please go back to the hole that you hid in whilst we were getting to a cup final and winning promotion. KnightMcCall

12:33pm Mon 30 Dec 13

shaun from richmond says...

wakefieldbantam wrote:
shaun from richmond wrote:
wakefieldbantam wrote:
shaun from richmond wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
Halifax Bantam wrote:
realcitygent wrote:
got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan
Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP!
Well, Gary Jones is not a fans favourite at the moment. They are calling him all sorts of names. I thought he had a decent games, so I would put my faith in the player rather than those verbally abusing him. Yes, you heard that right. City fans insulting Gary Jones.
HOW ON EARTH WOULD YOU KNOW IF JONES WAS A FANS FAVOURITE, OR NOT!!...YOU DONT GO TO GAMES!!.
Attending Skipton library between 10am and 11am does not make you an expert!.
PLUS.......You wanted Parky sacked early last year!!....OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN??
Ha ha! Think that was you Shauny boy who wanted Parkinson sacked for most of the previous two seasons or have you forgotten?
Totally agree!!....Im his biggest critic....Coaching Parky, style is "HOOF IT" then "HOOF IT" and if you can "HOOF IT"....and we wonder why English coaches are in the Dark Ages!.
What I cant stand.......is people like "Peter" who make out they have always supported the manager....WHEN THEY HAVE NOT!!
Fair enough Shaun you've not denied wanting Parkinson out, but he's still has a lot of credit in the bank for what has happened over the last 18 months.
In my opinion we still can play good football its when we're struggling we do resort to route one.
If you heard Parkinson's interview on the Pulse he admitted we're lacking a bit of quality and he's looking to bring in 2 long term loan signings from Premiership clubs which is just want we need. Last season's side may well have gone as far as it can and now is the time to strengthen the starting 11 and that is exactly what Parkinson is trying to do.
I think Parky should play....5-2-3. Use 3 centre backs (we have plenty)...Don't worry about midfield as we don't play through it (just need a couple of Terriers to tackle when we havnt got the ball). Then with big James, have 2 strikers instead of 1 playing alongside him. This would make "HOOF IT" football really work!!.
We got to a Major Cup final playing "Battering Ram" football.....IT WORKS!!.....Well not in the final, when we got humiliated on a big pitch.....BUT...that had more to do with the City players not making a tackle in 90 mins!!.
[quote][p][bold]wakefieldbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wakefieldbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Halifax Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]realcitygent[/bold] wrote: got to laugh at parky ,singled ravenhill out for his performance yesterday does that mean he will be dropped for notts match, he says when he went out onloan he didnt want him to go ,i remember t and a report saying parky told him to look for another club as he wasnt in plans or to far down pecking order ,ravenhills not great player but he,s a honest pro and gives his best every game as fans we cant ask anymore ,pity doyle cant seem to give a bit more in games ,he just seems to want to put a shift in and no more ,parky says losing nahki was a hugh blow whigh i agree but surely we should have replcement to step into that role ,what happens when wells goes cant keep using same excuse for rest season for not winning ,lets hope he has lined someone up to get in on loan[/p][/quote]Put some pace and energy next to Doyle and you will see an Doyle is an exceptional player at this level. You can see in games that Doyle is often caught between going forward and staying back because he knows if an attack breaks down Jones hasnt the legs to keep up with players on the counter attack. By PPs own words Jones was never meant to play every game, and although in possession of the ball hes ok,its when we dont have it he becomes a liability. I know hes a fans and PP favourite but its time to bring him into a coaching role.As for Ravenhill, yes hes a good character and hard working buf hes not someone we can build a team around and his inclusion smacks of desperation from PP![/p][/quote]Well, Gary Jones is not a fans favourite at the moment. They are calling him all sorts of names. I thought he had a decent games, so I would put my faith in the player rather than those verbally abusing him. Yes, you heard that right. City fans insulting Gary Jones.[/p][/quote]HOW ON EARTH WOULD YOU KNOW IF JONES WAS A FANS FAVOURITE, OR NOT!!...YOU DONT GO TO GAMES!!. Attending Skipton library between 10am and 11am does not make you an expert!. PLUS.......You wanted Parky sacked early last year!!....OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN??[/p][/quote]Ha ha! Think that was you Shauny boy who wanted Parkinson sacked for most of the previous two seasons or have you forgotten?[/p][/quote]Totally agree!!....Im his biggest critic....Coaching Parky, style is "HOOF IT" then "HOOF IT" and if you can "HOOF IT"....and we wonder why English coaches are in the Dark Ages!. What I cant stand.......is people like "Peter" who make out they have always supported the manager....WHEN THEY HAVE NOT!![/p][/quote]Fair enough Shaun you've not denied wanting Parkinson out, but he's still has a lot of credit in the bank for what has happened over the last 18 months. In my opinion we still can play good football its when we're struggling we do resort to route one. If you heard Parkinson's interview on the Pulse he admitted we're lacking a bit of quality and he's looking to bring in 2 long term loan signings from Premiership clubs which is just want we need. Last season's side may well have gone as far as it can and now is the time to strengthen the starting 11 and that is exactly what Parkinson is trying to do.[/p][/quote]I think Parky should play....5-2-3. Use 3 centre backs (we have plenty)...Don't worry about midfield as we don't play through it (just need a couple of Terriers to tackle when we havnt got the ball). Then with big James, have 2 strikers instead of 1 playing alongside him. This would make "HOOF IT" football really work!!. We got to a Major Cup final playing "Battering Ram" football.....IT WORKS!!.....Well not in the final, when we got humiliated on a big pitch.....BUT...that had more to do with the City players not making a tackle in 90 mins!!. shaun from richmond

12:37pm Mon 30 Dec 13

shaun from richmond says...

KnightMcCall wrote:
CheltCityFan wrote:
As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door.

I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment.

I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend.

Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time.

I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing.

This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.
...and the award for best post of 2013 goes too

Nice to see that it's not jus morons that post on here.

Shaun, please go back to the hole that you hid in whilst we were getting to a cup final and winning promotion.
HERES ANOTHER ONE!!........You would still be happy with Peter Taylor as Manager!!.....OR... have you forgotten!!
[quote][p][bold]KnightMcCall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CheltCityFan[/bold] wrote: As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door. I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment. I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend. Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time. I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing. This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.[/p][/quote]...and the award for best post of 2013 goes too Nice to see that it's not jus morons that post on here. Shaun, please go back to the hole that you hid in whilst we were getting to a cup final and winning promotion.[/p][/quote]HERES ANOTHER ONE!!........You would still be happy with Peter Taylor as Manager!!.....OR... have you forgotten!! shaun from richmond

12:40pm Mon 30 Dec 13

shaun from richmond says...

KnightMcCall wrote:
CheltCityFan wrote:
As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door.

I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment.

I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend.

Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time.

I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing.

This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.
...and the award for best post of 2013 goes too

Nice to see that it's not jus morons that post on here.

Shaun, please go back to the hole that you hid in whilst we were getting to a cup final and winning promotion.
PLUS.....Don't call yourself "A MORON"....its not nice!
[quote][p][bold]KnightMcCall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CheltCityFan[/bold] wrote: As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door. I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment. I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend. Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time. I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing. This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.[/p][/quote]...and the award for best post of 2013 goes too Nice to see that it's not jus morons that post on here. Shaun, please go back to the hole that you hid in whilst we were getting to a cup final and winning promotion.[/p][/quote]PLUS.....Don't call yourself "A MORON"....its not nice! shaun from richmond

1:13pm Mon 30 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

spleen ventor wrote:
CheltCityFan wrote:
As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door.

I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment.

I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend.

Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time.

I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing.

This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.
Excellent post and a refreshing change from the rantings of some of the cretins on here.
Perspective and reality...key words...anyone who wouldn't have taken tenth in League One a year ago haven't been following City's fortunes as long as you and me mate.
thats how sad some of you people are on here, calling him mate.
he's not your mate, its just a comment post!
saying you would settle for mid table, how your tune as changed.
you all kept saying play offs a month ago!
i said staying up would be all i asked for.
especially without wells.
[quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CheltCityFan[/bold] wrote: As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door. I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment. I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend. Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time. I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing. This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.[/p][/quote]Excellent post and a refreshing change from the rantings of some of the cretins on here. Perspective and reality...key words...anyone who wouldn't have taken tenth in League One a year ago haven't been following City's fortunes as long as you and me mate.[/p][/quote]thats how sad some of you people are on here, calling him mate. he's not your mate, its just a comment post! saying you would settle for mid table, how your tune as changed. you all kept saying play offs a month ago! i said staying up would be all i asked for. especially without wells. tinytoonster

2:17pm Mon 30 Dec 13

jackez20591 says...

Apparently parky hinted at finally dipping in to the loan market after the game. Pritchard is the clearest possible evidence that he MUST.

Which premierleague club wouldnt want to send a young star to play at Valley Parade each week. Until we get quality in midfield, we will continue to hoof ball.
Gary Jones MUST be droppable, he should not be the first name on the teamsheet every week. And he should NOT be playing 2 games in 3 days, if Kennedy doesnt replace him wednesday i will be very unhappy. We need a mobile creative midfielder. Not 2 who just sit and pass sideways all game.


As for Wells, i hope a big bid comes in, we need the money more than we need him. Hopefully Clarkson gets his chance Wednesday, we need a like for like change. Not Yeates dithering around upfront, not Thompson.
Apparently parky hinted at finally dipping in to the loan market after the game. Pritchard is the clearest possible evidence that he MUST. Which premierleague club wouldnt want to send a young star to play at Valley Parade each week. Until we get quality in midfield, we will continue to hoof ball. Gary Jones MUST be droppable, he should not be the first name on the teamsheet every week. And he should NOT be playing 2 games in 3 days, if Kennedy doesnt replace him wednesday i will be very unhappy. We need a mobile creative midfielder. Not 2 who just sit and pass sideways all game. As for Wells, i hope a big bid comes in, we need the money more than we need him. Hopefully Clarkson gets his chance Wednesday, we need a like for like change. Not Yeates dithering around upfront, not Thompson. jackez20591

2:32pm Mon 30 Dec 13

whisky1 says...

jackez20591 wrote:
Apparently parky hinted at finally dipping in to the loan market after the game. Pritchard is the clearest possible evidence that he MUST.

Which premierleague club wouldnt want to send a young star to play at Valley Parade each week. Until we get quality in midfield, we will continue to hoof ball.
Gary Jones MUST be droppable, he should not be the first name on the teamsheet every week. And he should NOT be playing 2 games in 3 days, if Kennedy doesnt replace him wednesday i will be very unhappy. We need a mobile creative midfielder. Not 2 who just sit and pass sideways all game.


As for Wells, i hope a big bid comes in, we need the money more than we need him. Hopefully Clarkson gets his chance Wednesday, we need a like for like change. Not Yeates dithering around upfront, not Thompson.
The issue here is not particularly Doyle or Jonahs form or fitness (although both have dipped a little) but the fact that most teams in L1 play with an extra man (or more) in midfield and they get the run around. If you choose to play 4/2/4 with 2 attacking widemen you lose out in the middle of the park
[quote][p][bold]jackez20591[/bold] wrote: Apparently parky hinted at finally dipping in to the loan market after the game. Pritchard is the clearest possible evidence that he MUST. Which premierleague club wouldnt want to send a young star to play at Valley Parade each week. Until we get quality in midfield, we will continue to hoof ball. Gary Jones MUST be droppable, he should not be the first name on the teamsheet every week. And he should NOT be playing 2 games in 3 days, if Kennedy doesnt replace him wednesday i will be very unhappy. We need a mobile creative midfielder. Not 2 who just sit and pass sideways all game. As for Wells, i hope a big bid comes in, we need the money more than we need him. Hopefully Clarkson gets his chance Wednesday, we need a like for like change. Not Yeates dithering around upfront, not Thompson.[/p][/quote]The issue here is not particularly Doyle or Jonahs form or fitness (although both have dipped a little) but the fact that most teams in L1 play with an extra man (or more) in midfield and they get the run around. If you choose to play 4/2/4 with 2 attacking widemen you lose out in the middle of the park whisky1

4:04pm Mon 30 Dec 13

lawsonio123 says...

Loan signings are not the answer these players return when the loan is over this in turn weakens the team the only exception is when a loan has in place a agreement to sign then you can pay up and keep the player other wise it is just a cover up and NOT making a stronger team on a ongoing basis When Wells goes a good portion of the fee would be well spent on team improvement to continue the progress we have made and there are players out there who would fit the bill. It is Mr Parkinsons job to find them and bring them to Valley Parade i believe he can do this given some cash. It may be to late for this season but now is the time to build a real promotion side for next year. Meanwhile a happy new Year to you all keep coming to the games and watch City grow
Loan signings are not the answer these players return when the loan is over this in turn weakens the team the only exception is when a loan has in place a agreement to sign then you can pay up and keep the player other wise it is just a cover up and NOT making a stronger team on a ongoing basis When Wells goes a good portion of the fee would be well spent on team improvement to continue the progress we have made and there are players out there who would fit the bill. It is Mr Parkinsons job to find them and bring them to Valley Parade i believe he can do this given some cash. It may be to late for this season but now is the time to build a real promotion side for next year. Meanwhile a happy new Year to you all keep coming to the games and watch City grow lawsonio123

4:39pm Mon 30 Dec 13

KnightMcCall says...

shaun from richmond wrote:
KnightMcCall wrote:
CheltCityFan wrote:
As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door.

I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment.

I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend.

Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time.

I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing.

This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.
...and the award for best post of 2013 goes too

Nice to see that it's not jus morons that post on here.

Shaun, please go back to the hole that you hid in whilst we were getting to a cup final and winning promotion.
HERES ANOTHER ONE!!........You would still be happy with Peter Taylor as Manager!!.....OR... have you forgotten!!
And what would make you happy...two Wembley appearances, promotion or are you only happy when you are criticising things that you clearly don't understand. With average gates at their highest in ten years, would suggest that the Bradford public are happy with the entertainment on offer; even if you are not.

Taylor not doing too badly at Gillingham is he, McCall not doing too badly at Motherwell...but of-course, you know best; how is Jacko getting on in his new job...what's that? He hasn't got one....
[quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KnightMcCall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CheltCityFan[/bold] wrote: As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door. I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment. I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend. Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time. I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing. This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.[/p][/quote]...and the award for best post of 2013 goes too Nice to see that it's not jus morons that post on here. Shaun, please go back to the hole that you hid in whilst we were getting to a cup final and winning promotion.[/p][/quote]HERES ANOTHER ONE!!........You would still be happy with Peter Taylor as Manager!!.....OR... have you forgotten!![/p][/quote]And what would make you happy...two Wembley appearances, promotion or are you only happy when you are criticising things that you clearly don't understand. With average gates at their highest in ten years, would suggest that the Bradford public are happy with the entertainment on offer; even if you are not. Taylor not doing too badly at Gillingham is he, McCall not doing too badly at Motherwell...but of-course, you know best; how is Jacko getting on in his new job...what's that? He hasn't got one.... KnightMcCall

4:50pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Cityman23 says...

Ricky Ravenhill certainly made a positive contribution to the improved team effort yesterday and , if he could do this more often, I for one would change my mind about letting him move on. Certainly, City's fringe players generally (at present) do not inspire much confidence in terms of turning to the subs to improve things and this is a problem 'PP' needs to focus on (amongst others) over the next month.

I'd say, it might well be worth keeping 'RR' but I am afraid that doesn't apply to Messrs. Kennedy,,Connell, Taylor, De Vita or Gray. Some of them will have contracts which mean they maybe will not want to go. But those that do plus (probably 'NW') should allow for a few additions to improve our choices/options. I'm hoping so, anyway.
Ricky Ravenhill certainly made a positive contribution to the improved team effort yesterday and , if he could do this more often, I for one would change my mind about letting him move on. Certainly, City's fringe players generally (at present) do not inspire much confidence in terms of turning to the subs to improve things and this is a problem 'PP' needs to focus on (amongst others) over the next month. I'd say, it might well be worth keeping 'RR' but I am afraid that doesn't apply to Messrs. Kennedy,,Connell, Taylor, De Vita or Gray. Some of them will have contracts which mean they maybe will not want to go. But those that do plus (probably 'NW') should allow for a few additions to improve our choices/options. I'm hoping so, anyway. Cityman23

5:28pm Mon 30 Dec 13

shaun from richmond says...

KnightMcCall wrote:
shaun from richmond wrote:
KnightMcCall wrote:
CheltCityFan wrote:
As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door.

I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment.

I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend.

Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time.

I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing.

This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.
...and the award for best post of 2013 goes too

Nice to see that it's not jus morons that post on here.

Shaun, please go back to the hole that you hid in whilst we were getting to a cup final and winning promotion.
HERES ANOTHER ONE!!........You would still be happy with Peter Taylor as Manager!!.....OR... have you forgotten!!
And what would make you happy...two Wembley appearances, promotion or are you only happy when you are criticising things that you clearly don't understand. With average gates at their highest in ten years, would suggest that the Bradford public are happy with the entertainment on offer; even if you are not.

Taylor not doing too badly at Gillingham is he, McCall not doing too badly at Motherwell...but of-course, you know best; how is Jacko getting on in his new job...what's that? He hasn't got one....
I wouldn't shout too loud about PETER TAYLOR if I were you!!...As for McCall, he has found his place Managing a Pub team. As for Jacko....I would of thought a true City fan like you!, would not gloat about a "TRUE" city legend being out of the game.
I have enjoyed our success with the "HOOF IT" style football....its worked....LONG LIVE....."HOOF IT"!!
[quote][p][bold]KnightMcCall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KnightMcCall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CheltCityFan[/bold] wrote: As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door. I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment. I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend. Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time. I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing. This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.[/p][/quote]...and the award for best post of 2013 goes too Nice to see that it's not jus morons that post on here. Shaun, please go back to the hole that you hid in whilst we were getting to a cup final and winning promotion.[/p][/quote]HERES ANOTHER ONE!!........You would still be happy with Peter Taylor as Manager!!.....OR... have you forgotten!![/p][/quote]And what would make you happy...two Wembley appearances, promotion or are you only happy when you are criticising things that you clearly don't understand. With average gates at their highest in ten years, would suggest that the Bradford public are happy with the entertainment on offer; even if you are not. Taylor not doing too badly at Gillingham is he, McCall not doing too badly at Motherwell...but of-course, you know best; how is Jacko getting on in his new job...what's that? He hasn't got one....[/p][/quote]I wouldn't shout too loud about PETER TAYLOR if I were you!!...As for McCall, he has found his place Managing a Pub team. As for Jacko....I would of thought a true City fan like you!, would not gloat about a "TRUE" city legend being out of the game. I have enjoyed our success with the "HOOF IT" style football....its worked....LONG LIVE....."HOOF IT"!! shaun from richmond

5:56pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Pablo says...

Maybe some of these fringe players are better than we all think. Just over a week ago I read a post detailing squad players who could be released and the list included McHugh! He's not had a chance all season and, hey presto, he comes in and gives two good displays. PP has tolerated Thompson's indifferent form all season, but Kennedy hasn't really been given a chance and has usually been discarded after one bad performance. Maybe he needs a run of games.

Andy Gray has been derided on this forum, yet he came in from the cold, in an emergency, against Peterborough, performed well, and scored

Ravenhill couldn't even make the squad on occasions earlier this season and had to go elsewhere to get some game time. Now PP's raving about him! It seems it's not only us fans who are fickle!

With no reserve games, if players aren't playing regularly, it must be difficult for some of them to rise to the occasion, if they are called upon for an odd game here and there.
Maybe some of these fringe players are better than we all think. Just over a week ago I read a post detailing squad players who could be released and the list included McHugh! He's not had a chance all season and, hey presto, he comes in and gives two good displays. PP has tolerated Thompson's indifferent form all season, but Kennedy hasn't really been given a chance and has usually been discarded after one bad performance. Maybe he needs a run of games. Andy Gray has been derided on this forum, yet he came in from the cold, in an emergency, against Peterborough, performed well, and scored Ravenhill couldn't even make the squad on occasions earlier this season and had to go elsewhere to get some game time. Now PP's raving about him! It seems it's not only us fans who are fickle! With no reserve games, if players aren't playing regularly, it must be difficult for some of them to rise to the occasion, if they are called upon for an odd game here and there. Pablo

7:22pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Victor Clayton says...

Cityman23 wrote:
Ricky Ravenhill certainly made a positive contribution to the improved team effort yesterday and , if he could do this more often, I for one would change my mind about letting him move on. Certainly, City's fringe players generally (at present) do not inspire much confidence in terms of turning to the subs to improve things and this is a problem 'PP' needs to focus on (amongst others) over the next month.

I'd say, it might well be worth keeping 'RR' but I am afraid that doesn't apply to Messrs. Kennedy,,Connell, Taylor, De Vita or Gray. Some of them will have contracts which mean they maybe will not want to go. But those that do plus (probably 'NW') should allow for a few additions to improve our choices/options. I'm hoping so, anyway.
I agree about ravenhill, good squad player that can be used to break up opposition play. but I do think generally he gives the ball away too easily.
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: Ricky Ravenhill certainly made a positive contribution to the improved team effort yesterday and , if he could do this more often, I for one would change my mind about letting him move on. Certainly, City's fringe players generally (at present) do not inspire much confidence in terms of turning to the subs to improve things and this is a problem 'PP' needs to focus on (amongst others) over the next month. I'd say, it might well be worth keeping 'RR' but I am afraid that doesn't apply to Messrs. Kennedy,,Connell, Taylor, De Vita or Gray. Some of them will have contracts which mean they maybe will not want to go. But those that do plus (probably 'NW') should allow for a few additions to improve our choices/options. I'm hoping so, anyway.[/p][/quote]I agree about ravenhill, good squad player that can be used to break up opposition play. but I do think generally he gives the ball away too easily. Victor Clayton

7:58pm Mon 30 Dec 13

bantam10 says...

True professional, can still do a job in league one,
100% committed, a leader on the pitch and an ex captain.
Did parky not say he wanted lots of leaders on the pitch?
Cannot believe we was gonna let ravers go.
We must play him or have him on our bench for the rest of the season.
True professional, can still do a job in league one, 100% committed, a leader on the pitch and an ex captain. Did parky not say he wanted lots of leaders on the pitch? Cannot believe we was gonna let ravers go. We must play him or have him on our bench for the rest of the season. bantam10

9:32pm Mon 30 Dec 13

spleen ventor says...

tinytoonster wrote:
spleen ventor wrote:
CheltCityFan wrote:
As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door.

I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment.

I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend.

Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time.

I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing.

This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.
Excellent post and a refreshing change from the rantings of some of the cretins on here.
Perspective and reality...key words...anyone who wouldn't have taken tenth in League One a year ago haven't been following City's fortunes as long as you and me mate.
thats how sad some of you people are on here, calling him mate.
he's not your mate, its just a comment post!
saying you would settle for mid table, how your tune as changed.
you all kept saying play offs a month ago!
i said staying up would be all i asked for.
especially without wells.
It was my intention not to name the cretins but you've gone and revealed yourself....well done!
As for "changing my tune"...I've been saying since August I'd bite your hand off for a mid table finish.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spleen ventor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CheltCityFan[/bold] wrote: As we end 2013 I think City fans need to take a reality check as far as expectations are concerned. I have been a supporter for 50 years and can honestly say that, with the exception of the first year in the Premiership, this has been the best ever as a City fan. Two trips to Wembley and an upward step for the first time in a decade. We should be grateful to all at Valley Parade for giving us such a year, as I'm sure most fans really are because we have some magnificent fans who have stood by the team through thin and thinner. This season we have stepped up a level to a division with some very good teams in it and, with a team little altered from that which often struggled against lowly League 2 teams, we got off to a great start. This seems to have fired up expectations to an easy step up another division, which was totally unrealistic. Look at a massive club like Sheffield United struggling and even Gillingham who walked our league last season, finishing a country mile above us, who crept in through the back door. I'm not interested in saying I told you so, nor do I wish to knock any players that wear the shirt, but I did say about three months ago that the first eleven are good enough to hold their own but that we do not have the strength in depth in the squad for this level. Once we got a few injuries, we would surely struggle and that seems inevitable in recent years. Davies, unfortunately, will never play a full season and we tend to struggle in defence without him, and Hanson, for all those who knock him, is sorely missed whenever he's out because his contribution to the team is far greater than just goals. We've also had Wells out for a few matches and no one steps up to the mark when he doesn't play. Then you will inevitably get some players who will struggle with form from time to time and you need good replacements to cover this, which we probably don't have (of the right quality) at the moment. I don't think you can blame Mr Parkinson too much at this stage. Getting the right players in that complement the team is probably the hardest part of the game and even when you buy good players there is no guarantee that they will fit in and play as well as they did at a previous club. You only have to look at Premier teams where they spend tens of millions on players who just do nothing then move on to another top club. AVB at Spurs proved that you can spend over £100m on several players and they will not necessarily gel together. Mr Parkinson is trying to do the same with little or no money to spend. Yes, you can look at individuals and say that they have not done much and were a waste of a transfer but even former players said they were good additions at the time. As mentioned earlier, unfortunately transfers do not always come off for whatever reason. I believe we need to move out at least four or five players and replace them with better quality to have a realistic chance in this division. However, it is unrealistic to think that this will happen in January and, even if it did, perhaps we would have a Spurs situation where we cannot integrate so may new faces at the same time. I believe we need to be realistic about expectations, just do what we do best as fans and get behind the team and try and push them forward, whoever plays, and finish as high as we can this season, ready for a new start in August, hopefully with a better and deeper quality squad. We have beaten some good teams with these players and matched the so called big teams like Wolves, Orient, Brentford, Peterborough, MK Dons, without anyone giving us a thrashing. This season is only just half over and we need to get behind the team to try and regain the momentum of early season. We may not get another promotion run, but we need to make sure that we do enough to get us through to compete again in this division next season, with an important year's experience behind us. Fans can do this by continuing to b supportive and not getting back to he day of knocking anything that moves.[/p][/quote]Excellent post and a refreshing change from the rantings of some of the cretins on here. Perspective and reality...key words...anyone who wouldn't have taken tenth in League One a year ago haven't been following City's fortunes as long as you and me mate.[/p][/quote]thats how sad some of you people are on here, calling him mate. he's not your mate, its just a comment post! saying you would settle for mid table, how your tune as changed. you all kept saying play offs a month ago! i said staying up would be all i asked for. especially without wells.[/p][/quote]It was my intention not to name the cretins but you've gone and revealed yourself....well done! As for "changing my tune"...I've been saying since August I'd bite your hand off for a mid table finish. spleen ventor

1:33pm Tue 31 Dec 13

pudseykid says...

whisky1 wrote:
Parky will be pleased with a point against a good side. At some point we will have to consider matching sides up in midfield as we just couldn't get ball enough again
Ravenhill was well worth watching on Sunday...a ONE good light on a reasonable day...Reid hasnt improved since i last saw him play, several months back...Hanson gives 100%. however, with a manager who seems to chop and change, will Ravenhill get back in?...Will Connell ever get to start a game, if not why not?...Boxing day saw over 14000 there to support CITY and the noise didnt lift the side. I thought we could have got a win against Swindon, they know how to play the game..we need to step up and our manager needs to pick a squad each game KNOWING the strength of the opposition, picking HIS side accordingly...theres a long way to go...its not been a great footballing Christmas..plenty of time...and look what happened last season...PLAY OFFS are still do-able
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Parky will be pleased with a point against a good side. At some point we will have to consider matching sides up in midfield as we just couldn't get ball enough again[/p][/quote]Ravenhill was well worth watching on Sunday...a ONE good light on a reasonable day...Reid hasnt improved since i last saw him play, several months back...Hanson gives 100%. however, with a manager who seems to chop and change, will Ravenhill get back in?...Will Connell ever get to start a game, if not why not?...Boxing day saw over 14000 there to support CITY and the noise didnt lift the side. I thought we could have got a win against Swindon, they know how to play the game..we need to step up and our manager needs to pick a squad each game KNOWING the strength of the opposition, picking HIS side accordingly...theres a long way to go...its not been a great footballing Christmas..plenty of time...and look what happened last season...PLAY OFFS are still do-able pudseykid

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