Fingers crossed I will be going nowhere, says Bradford Bulls' new signing Garreth Carvell

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Garreth Carvell is committed to seeing out the Bulls contract he signed in the summer Garreth Carvell is committed to seeing out the Bulls contract he signed in the summer

Garreth Carvell is hoping that he will not be sacrificed if the Bulls decide to offload players to help ease their ongoing financial problems.

The 32-year-old prop forward penned a two-year deal to join Bradford from Warrington in June.

There has since been a change of regime at Odsal, with the current board of directors looking to plug a £400,000 deficit, which saw a number of staff recently made redundant.

The possibility of offloading players has not been ruled out but Carvell is adamant he does not wish to leave the club.

He said: “I signed when everything was fine and I’m committed to that contract. “It’s one of those things and it was a bit of an unforeseen circumstance with things happening behind the scenes.

"It’s something I wasn’t really expecting but something that I’ll have to come to terms with I think.

“There’s talk of players going but so far that hasn’t come to fruition and we’d like it to stay that way.

“No one’s gone yet but we’ve been told that they may have to do so. Hopefully though, it isn’t me.

“I’ve never experienced anything like this before so it’s all a bit of a shock to me and obviously a bit of a worry.”

The Bulls’ current situation is a far cry from Carvell’s former club Warrington, who are one of the richest in the league thanks to their multi-millionaire owner Simon Moran.

The England international is optimistic that the current board can help steer the Bulls away from their current financial crisis.

He said: “Everyone here seems to be in good spirits and a lot of the guys have been through a similar thing here before so they know how to deal with it all.

“I haven’t though, so with it being new to me it’s going to be difficult and a bit unsettling and obviously it’s nervy times, especially with Christmas around the corner.

“But hopefully the things that are planned will come off and everything will be fine. All we can do is trust in the powers that be and go with it.

“Those that have gone through it before are a little less worried than me but it’s just one of those things that we can’t control.

“All we can do is go on that pitch and perform but hopefully collectively as a club we can do our bit by playing well and getting the supporters behind us to help turn things around.”

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10:07am Sat 21 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

Well we know what he thinks, which should stop a lot of speculation.
What is a shame is that a Player is put in that position, particularly when in terms of what has been raised previously is a small amount of money, to shore us up for long enough to offer stability until the season starts, which should hopefully kick start our recovery.

If I had the where with all, I would certainly pledge again for what is a more tangible cause than last time.

Maybe we should ask the RFL for a loan, to be paid back by public subscription?
Well we know what he thinks, which should stop a lot of speculation. What is a shame is that a Player is put in that position, particularly when in terms of what has been raised previously is a small amount of money, to shore us up for long enough to offer stability until the season starts, which should hopefully kick start our recovery. If I had the where with all, I would certainly pledge again for what is a more tangible cause than last time. Maybe we should ask the RFL for a loan, to be paid back by public subscription? raisemeup

11:25am Sat 21 Dec 13

Lythambull says...

This is encouraging news to a point. As long as this isn't smoke and mirrors I think Carvell is a vital addition and was one of the reasons I was happy to renew my season tickets.
This is encouraging news to a point. As long as this isn't smoke and mirrors I think Carvell is a vital addition and was one of the reasons I was happy to renew my season tickets. Lythambull

12:08pm Sat 21 Dec 13

portugalbull says...

raisemeup wrote:
Well we know what he thinks, which should stop a lot of speculation.
What is a shame is that a Player is put in that position, particularly when in terms of what has been raised previously is a small amount of money, to shore us up for long enough to offer stability until the season starts, which should hopefully kick start our recovery.

If I had the where with all, I would certainly pledge again for what is a more tangible cause than last time.

Maybe we should ask the RFL for a loan, to be paid back by public subscription?
What makes you think the RFL will help the Bulls. It's still to come out how their incompetence a/ put us in administration in the first place and b/ stopped investment and takeover interest by various groups leaving only OK.
Their monitoring of the club must have shown up some indication of what was happening.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: Well we know what he thinks, which should stop a lot of speculation. What is a shame is that a Player is put in that position, particularly when in terms of what has been raised previously is a small amount of money, to shore us up for long enough to offer stability until the season starts, which should hopefully kick start our recovery. If I had the where with all, I would certainly pledge again for what is a more tangible cause than last time. Maybe we should ask the RFL for a loan, to be paid back by public subscription?[/p][/quote]What makes you think the RFL will help the Bulls. It's still to come out how their incompetence a/ put us in administration in the first place and b/ stopped investment and takeover interest by various groups leaving only OK. Their monitoring of the club must have shown up some indication of what was happening. portugalbull

12:12pm Sat 21 Dec 13

fedupwiththeBS says...

I am here coming and rescue me springs to mind.

Who will be the first to go because if this is not sorted soon then we are not going to have a competitive team to start the season with?

Good to see with have Omar Khans on the training kit as after all he still seems to own the club, are they going to but his name back on the website as well?

Also when are they going to update the first team page as it is still last seasons squad?
I am here coming and rescue me springs to mind. Who will be the first to go because if this is not sorted soon then we are not going to have a competitive team to start the season with? Good to see with have Omar Khans on the training kit as after all he still seems to own the club, are they going to but his name back on the website as well? Also when are they going to update the first team page as it is still last seasons squad? fedupwiththeBS

12:30pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Scrouge says...

fedupwiththeBS wrote:
I am here coming and rescue me springs to mind.

Who will be the first to go because if this is not sorted soon then we are not going to have a competitive team to start the season with?

Good to see with have Omar Khans on the training kit as after all he still seems to own the club, are they going to but his name back on the website as well?

Also when are they going to update the first team page as it is still last seasons squad?
Will we ever be told the TRUTH??? Khan still the. owner of the Bulls. Carvell like most players trying to get out!!!!, Robbie even trying to get some moved on.How long before he looks after his own interests. The fallout with the T&A is because the. P A department cannot accept home truths.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: I am here coming and rescue me springs to mind. Who will be the first to go because if this is not sorted soon then we are not going to have a competitive team to start the season with? Good to see with have Omar Khans on the training kit as after all he still seems to own the club, are they going to but his name back on the website as well? Also when are they going to update the first team page as it is still last seasons squad?[/p][/quote]Will we ever be told the TRUTH??? Khan still the. owner of the Bulls. Carvell like most players trying to get out!!!!, Robbie even trying to get some moved on.How long before he looks after his own interests. The fallout with the T&A is because the. P A department cannot accept home truths. Scrouge

12:43pm Sat 21 Dec 13

RABTID says...

Scrounge, have you read the article. NO, just pouring your vitriol again. Carvell, like most of the playing staff DON'T want to leave, but accept that it may have to happen. Hopefully not, this will all be resolved by the New Year, notice I said this before TVOR.
Scrounge, have you read the article. NO, just pouring your vitriol again. Carvell, like most of the playing staff DON'T want to leave, but accept that it may have to happen. Hopefully not, this will all be resolved by the New Year, notice I said this before TVOR. RABTID

1:19pm Sat 21 Dec 13

bradfordbronco says...

If a player is sold who gets the money? Its just too complicated. All the players are under contract, therefore they don't have to move anywhere if they don't want to. Any other club would have to pay a transfer fee. Who do they negotiate with Omar or the present board? What happened to the Bateman money?

If we can't sell any players, then we could loan them out to save on their wages. Normally though when players agree to go on loan its because they can't get in the team and need 1st team experience or a new deal elsewhere. That's not the case with the Bulls players. We have a good squad that they want to be part of.
If a player is sold who gets the money? Its just too complicated. All the players are under contract, therefore they don't have to move anywhere if they don't want to. Any other club would have to pay a transfer fee. Who do they negotiate with Omar or the present board? What happened to the Bateman money? If we can't sell any players, then we could loan them out to save on their wages. Normally though when players agree to go on loan its because they can't get in the team and need 1st team experience or a new deal elsewhere. That's not the case with the Bulls players. We have a good squad that they want to be part of. bradfordbronco

1:52pm Sat 21 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

portugalbull wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Well we know what he thinks, which should stop a lot of speculation.
What is a shame is that a Player is put in that position, particularly when in terms of what has been raised previously is a small amount of money, to shore us up for long enough to offer stability until the season starts, which should hopefully kick start our recovery.

If I had the where with all, I would certainly pledge again for what is a more tangible cause than last time.

Maybe we should ask the RFL for a loan, to be paid back by public subscription?
What makes you think the RFL will help the Bulls. It's still to come out how their incompetence a/ put us in administration in the first place and b/ stopped investment and takeover interest by various groups leaving only OK.
Their monitoring of the club must have shown up some indication of what was happening.
Yes you're right. I wouldn't think for a moment they would be rushing to sign cheques! The comment was very tongue in cheek!
[quote][p][bold]portugalbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: Well we know what he thinks, which should stop a lot of speculation. What is a shame is that a Player is put in that position, particularly when in terms of what has been raised previously is a small amount of money, to shore us up for long enough to offer stability until the season starts, which should hopefully kick start our recovery. If I had the where with all, I would certainly pledge again for what is a more tangible cause than last time. Maybe we should ask the RFL for a loan, to be paid back by public subscription?[/p][/quote]What makes you think the RFL will help the Bulls. It's still to come out how their incompetence a/ put us in administration in the first place and b/ stopped investment and takeover interest by various groups leaving only OK. Their monitoring of the club must have shown up some indication of what was happening.[/p][/quote]Yes you're right. I wouldn't think for a moment they would be rushing to sign cheques! The comment was very tongue in cheek! raisemeup

1:52pm Sat 21 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

portugalbull wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Well we know what he thinks, which should stop a lot of speculation.
What is a shame is that a Player is put in that position, particularly when in terms of what has been raised previously is a small amount of money, to shore us up for long enough to offer stability until the season starts, which should hopefully kick start our recovery.

If I had the where with all, I would certainly pledge again for what is a more tangible cause than last time.

Maybe we should ask the RFL for a loan, to be paid back by public subscription?
What makes you think the RFL will help the Bulls. It's still to come out how their incompetence a/ put us in administration in the first place and b/ stopped investment and takeover interest by various groups leaving only OK.
Their monitoring of the club must have shown up some indication of what was happening.
Yes you're right. I wouldn't think for a moment they would be rushing to sign cheques! The comment was very tongue in cheek!
[quote][p][bold]portugalbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: Well we know what he thinks, which should stop a lot of speculation. What is a shame is that a Player is put in that position, particularly when in terms of what has been raised previously is a small amount of money, to shore us up for long enough to offer stability until the season starts, which should hopefully kick start our recovery. If I had the where with all, I would certainly pledge again for what is a more tangible cause than last time. Maybe we should ask the RFL for a loan, to be paid back by public subscription?[/p][/quote]What makes you think the RFL will help the Bulls. It's still to come out how their incompetence a/ put us in administration in the first place and b/ stopped investment and takeover interest by various groups leaving only OK. Their monitoring of the club must have shown up some indication of what was happening.[/p][/quote]Yes you're right. I wouldn't think for a moment they would be rushing to sign cheques! The comment was very tongue in cheek! raisemeup

1:52pm Sat 21 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

portugalbull wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Well we know what he thinks, which should stop a lot of speculation.
What is a shame is that a Player is put in that position, particularly when in terms of what has been raised previously is a small amount of money, to shore us up for long enough to offer stability until the season starts, which should hopefully kick start our recovery.

If I had the where with all, I would certainly pledge again for what is a more tangible cause than last time.

Maybe we should ask the RFL for a loan, to be paid back by public subscription?
What makes you think the RFL will help the Bulls. It's still to come out how their incompetence a/ put us in administration in the first place and b/ stopped investment and takeover interest by various groups leaving only OK.
Their monitoring of the club must have shown up some indication of what was happening.
Yes you're right. I wouldn't think for a moment they would be rushing to sign cheques! The comment was very tongue in cheek!
[quote][p][bold]portugalbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: Well we know what he thinks, which should stop a lot of speculation. What is a shame is that a Player is put in that position, particularly when in terms of what has been raised previously is a small amount of money, to shore us up for long enough to offer stability until the season starts, which should hopefully kick start our recovery. If I had the where with all, I would certainly pledge again for what is a more tangible cause than last time. Maybe we should ask the RFL for a loan, to be paid back by public subscription?[/p][/quote]What makes you think the RFL will help the Bulls. It's still to come out how their incompetence a/ put us in administration in the first place and b/ stopped investment and takeover interest by various groups leaving only OK. Their monitoring of the club must have shown up some indication of what was happening.[/p][/quote]Yes you're right. I wouldn't think for a moment they would be rushing to sign cheques! The comment was very tongue in cheek! raisemeup

1:55pm Sat 21 Dec 13

bradfordbronco says...

The players don't want to leave. They signed contracts that they were happy with and that suited themselves and their families. They've now settled into the club and pre season and are happy. The last thing they want to do is up sticks move somewhere else and try bond with another set of players with just over a month before the season starts. Experienced guys like Carvell don't need the hassle at this point in their careers.

Can't see any of them agreeing to move to London where the rents are higher and you'll be doing loads of defensive stints every week in a weak team. The only guys the'll get are ones trying to make a break into SL from lower leagues or journeymen that can't get into their existing team. Don't think many of the Bulls squad fit into that category.

Even if we did sell someone who would get the money? Would it be Omar or the existing board. Who would another club have to speak to to do a deal if they wanted a player. Looks like the only real option is to loan players out. The RFL could step in and provide the Bulls with the same monthly TV payments That all the other clubs get. That would ensure our survival. They are so much to blame for the current problems.

1 They bought the lease on the ground cheaply from Hood which meant the Bank pulled the plug
2 They with held back all TV money from the Bulls once they went into admin. Approx £400,000 they then "loaned" the Bulls about £300,000 then they wanted £700,000 for last season & the same this season to pay back this "loan" We'd have been better with Wonga.
3 They then deducted 6 points for going into admin. Which stopped us making the lucrative end of season play offs.
4 They then let Wakefield go into the play offs boosting their coffers at the expense of ours
5 They not only gave us less money but they shared out our money amongst the other clubs making them either stronger and our task more difficult.
7 They wouldn't guarantee a SL place to the new owners, despite the club having 2 years left on its SL licence. This put so many potential investors off.
5 They wanted any potential investors to jump through loads of other hoops and put up money without guarantees of ground ownership.

I could go on and no doubt someone will try tell me RFL saved the Bulls but it wasn't the case. The very least they can do is pay the Bulls the same money that they pay all the other clubs. If they really wanted to help they could back date it and pay last years money to Omar as well, That should go some way to paying back the money he lost trying to save a Club that was hampered by the RFL's constant interferance
The players don't want to leave. They signed contracts that they were happy with and that suited themselves and their families. They've now settled into the club and pre season and are happy. The last thing they want to do is up sticks move somewhere else and try bond with another set of players with just over a month before the season starts. Experienced guys like Carvell don't need the hassle at this point in their careers. Can't see any of them agreeing to move to London where the rents are higher and you'll be doing loads of defensive stints every week in a weak team. The only guys the'll get are ones trying to make a break into SL from lower leagues or journeymen that can't get into their existing team. Don't think many of the Bulls squad fit into that category. Even if we did sell someone who would get the money? Would it be Omar or the existing board. Who would another club have to speak to to do a deal if they wanted a player. Looks like the only real option is to loan players out. The RFL could step in and provide the Bulls with the same monthly TV payments That all the other clubs get. That would ensure our survival. They are so much to blame for the current problems. 1 They bought the lease on the ground cheaply from Hood which meant the Bank pulled the plug 2 They with held back all TV money from the Bulls once they went into admin. Approx £400,000 they then "loaned" the Bulls about £300,000 then they wanted £700,000 for last season & the same this season to pay back this "loan" We'd have been better with Wonga. 3 They then deducted 6 points for going into admin. Which stopped us making the lucrative end of season play offs. 4 They then let Wakefield go into the play offs boosting their coffers at the expense of ours 5 They not only gave us less money but they shared out our money amongst the other clubs making them either stronger and our task more difficult. 7 They wouldn't guarantee a SL place to the new owners, despite the club having 2 years left on its SL licence. This put so many potential investors off. 5 They wanted any potential investors to jump through loads of other hoops and put up money without guarantees of ground ownership. I could go on and no doubt someone will try tell me RFL saved the Bulls but it wasn't the case. The very least they can do is pay the Bulls the same money that they pay all the other clubs. If they really wanted to help they could back date it and pay last years money to Omar as well, That should go some way to paying back the money he lost trying to save a Club that was hampered by the RFL's constant interferance bradfordbronco

1:59pm Sat 21 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

raisemeup wrote:
portugalbull wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Well we know what he thinks, which should stop a lot of speculation.
What is a shame is that a Player is put in that position, particularly when in terms of what has been raised previously is a small amount of money, to shore us up for long enough to offer stability until the season starts, which should hopefully kick start our recovery.

If I had the where with all, I would certainly pledge again for what is a more tangible cause than last time.

Maybe we should ask the RFL for a loan, to be paid back by public subscription?
What makes you think the RFL will help the Bulls. It's still to come out how their incompetence a/ put us in administration in the first place and b/ stopped investment and takeover interest by various groups leaving only OK.
Their monitoring of the club must have shown up some indication of what was happening.
Yes you're right. I wouldn't think for a moment they would be rushing to sign cheques! The comment was very tongue in cheek!
What happened there is a mystery. 3 posts in succession and I only pressed once.

Still we get the message portugalbull.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]portugalbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: Well we know what he thinks, which should stop a lot of speculation. What is a shame is that a Player is put in that position, particularly when in terms of what has been raised previously is a small amount of money, to shore us up for long enough to offer stability until the season starts, which should hopefully kick start our recovery. If I had the where with all, I would certainly pledge again for what is a more tangible cause than last time. Maybe we should ask the RFL for a loan, to be paid back by public subscription?[/p][/quote]What makes you think the RFL will help the Bulls. It's still to come out how their incompetence a/ put us in administration in the first place and b/ stopped investment and takeover interest by various groups leaving only OK. Their monitoring of the club must have shown up some indication of what was happening.[/p][/quote]Yes you're right. I wouldn't think for a moment they would be rushing to sign cheques! The comment was very tongue in cheek![/p][/quote]What happened there is a mystery. 3 posts in succession and I only pressed once. Still we get the message portugalbull. raisemeup

2:09pm Sat 21 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
The players don't want to leave. They signed contracts that they were happy with and that suited themselves and their families. They've now settled into the club and pre season and are happy. The last thing they want to do is up sticks move somewhere else and try bond with another set of players with just over a month before the season starts. Experienced guys like Carvell don't need the hassle at this point in their careers.

Can't see any of them agreeing to move to London where the rents are higher and you'll be doing loads of defensive stints every week in a weak team. The only guys the'll get are ones trying to make a break into SL from lower leagues or journeymen that can't get into their existing team. Don't think many of the Bulls squad fit into that category.

Even if we did sell someone who would get the money? Would it be Omar or the existing board. Who would another club have to speak to to do a deal if they wanted a player. Looks like the only real option is to loan players out. The RFL could step in and provide the Bulls with the same monthly TV payments That all the other clubs get. That would ensure our survival. They are so much to blame for the current problems.

1 They bought the lease on the ground cheaply from Hood which meant the Bank pulled the plug
2 They with held back all TV money from the Bulls once they went into admin. Approx £400,000 they then "loaned" the Bulls about £300,000 then they wanted £700,000 for last season & the same this season to pay back this "loan" We'd have been better with Wonga.
3 They then deducted 6 points for going into admin. Which stopped us making the lucrative end of season play offs.
4 They then let Wakefield go into the play offs boosting their coffers at the expense of ours
5 They not only gave us less money but they shared out our money amongst the other clubs making them either stronger and our task more difficult.
7 They wouldn't guarantee a SL place to the new owners, despite the club having 2 years left on its SL licence. This put so many potential investors off.
5 They wanted any potential investors to jump through loads of other hoops and put up money without guarantees of ground ownership.

I could go on and no doubt someone will try tell me RFL saved the Bulls but it wasn't the case. The very least they can do is pay the Bulls the same money that they pay all the other clubs. If they really wanted to help they could back date it and pay last years money to Omar as well, That should go some way to paying back the money he lost trying to save a Club that was hampered by the RFL's constant interferance
It deserved to be said as for too we have been made to feel as if we were the problem with the game. It is almost conspiratorial in the way many things have panned out .
It's morally wrong that the body set up to help the game survive, cherry picks who they will back?
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: The players don't want to leave. They signed contracts that they were happy with and that suited themselves and their families. They've now settled into the club and pre season and are happy. The last thing they want to do is up sticks move somewhere else and try bond with another set of players with just over a month before the season starts. Experienced guys like Carvell don't need the hassle at this point in their careers. Can't see any of them agreeing to move to London where the rents are higher and you'll be doing loads of defensive stints every week in a weak team. The only guys the'll get are ones trying to make a break into SL from lower leagues or journeymen that can't get into their existing team. Don't think many of the Bulls squad fit into that category. Even if we did sell someone who would get the money? Would it be Omar or the existing board. Who would another club have to speak to to do a deal if they wanted a player. Looks like the only real option is to loan players out. The RFL could step in and provide the Bulls with the same monthly TV payments That all the other clubs get. That would ensure our survival. They are so much to blame for the current problems. 1 They bought the lease on the ground cheaply from Hood which meant the Bank pulled the plug 2 They with held back all TV money from the Bulls once they went into admin. Approx £400,000 they then "loaned" the Bulls about £300,000 then they wanted £700,000 for last season & the same this season to pay back this "loan" We'd have been better with Wonga. 3 They then deducted 6 points for going into admin. Which stopped us making the lucrative end of season play offs. 4 They then let Wakefield go into the play offs boosting their coffers at the expense of ours 5 They not only gave us less money but they shared out our money amongst the other clubs making them either stronger and our task more difficult. 7 They wouldn't guarantee a SL place to the new owners, despite the club having 2 years left on its SL licence. This put so many potential investors off. 5 They wanted any potential investors to jump through loads of other hoops and put up money without guarantees of ground ownership. I could go on and no doubt someone will try tell me RFL saved the Bulls but it wasn't the case. The very least they can do is pay the Bulls the same money that they pay all the other clubs. If they really wanted to help they could back date it and pay last years money to Omar as well, That should go some way to paying back the money he lost trying to save a Club that was hampered by the RFL's constant interferance[/p][/quote]It deserved to be said as for too we have been made to feel as if we were the problem with the game. It is almost conspiratorial in the way many things have panned out . It's morally wrong that the body set up to help the game survive, cherry picks who they will back? raisemeup

3:05pm Sat 21 Dec 13

bradfordbronco says...

H Raise. What's going on? I posted my 1.19pm comment at 9am this morning!. It wasn't there when i started writing my later post at 1.55. Think your hat trick of posts at 1.52 must have cleared the back log.

Anyway wait for TVOR to notice we're criticising his beloved RFL. We'll be in for a right sermon from the prophet! He's probably searching through the archives right now. How dare we criticise anyone else on this forum. Its only designed to criticise the Bulls dont you know.

C'mon TVOR you know you want to
H Raise. What's going on? I posted my 1.19pm comment at 9am this morning!. It wasn't there when i started writing my later post at 1.55. Think your hat trick of posts at 1.52 must have cleared the back log. Anyway wait for TVOR to notice we're criticising his beloved RFL. We'll be in for a right sermon from the prophet! He's probably searching through the archives right now. How dare we criticise anyone else on this forum. Its only designed to criticise the Bulls dont you know. C'mon TVOR you know you want to bradfordbronco

5:40pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Melbull says...

I dont usually post on these forums. I have supported buls for 40 years thick and thin. personally I am just glad we have a team to support. the synics can look at the balance sheet aportion blame feel used and abused. I have bought a season ticket again. my family pledged £300.I paid again at every home game to save the club and would do so again. you cant go back so lets look forward. if the present directors said £400k would ensure survival then as supporters if we want a team time to put hands in pockets and crack on.
I dont usually post on these forums. I have supported buls for 40 years thick and thin. personally I am just glad we have a team to support. the synics can look at the balance sheet aportion blame feel used and abused. I have bought a season ticket again. my family pledged £300.I paid again at every home game to save the club and would do so again. you cant go back so lets look forward. if the present directors said £400k would ensure survival then as supporters if we want a team time to put hands in pockets and crack on. Melbull

8:34am Sun 22 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
If a player is sold who gets the money? Its just too complicated. All the players are under contract, therefore they don't have to move anywhere if they don't want to. Any other club would have to pay a transfer fee. Who do they negotiate with Omar or the present board? What happened to the Bateman money?

If we can't sell any players, then we could loan them out to save on their wages. Normally though when players agree to go on loan its because they can't get in the team and need 1st team experience or a new deal elsewhere. That's not the case with the Bulls players. We have a good squad that they want to be part of.
An excellent point Bronco.
We know Bateman was sold by Whitcut without the other directors knowledge but as they didn't and still don't own the club was that money taken out by Khan who with 99% of the shares had every right to do.
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: If a player is sold who gets the money? Its just too complicated. All the players are under contract, therefore they don't have to move anywhere if they don't want to. Any other club would have to pay a transfer fee. Who do they negotiate with Omar or the present board? What happened to the Bateman money? If we can't sell any players, then we could loan them out to save on their wages. Normally though when players agree to go on loan its because they can't get in the team and need 1st team experience or a new deal elsewhere. That's not the case with the Bulls players. We have a good squad that they want to be part of.[/p][/quote]An excellent point Bronco. We know Bateman was sold by Whitcut without the other directors knowledge but as they didn't and still don't own the club was that money taken out by Khan who with 99% of the shares had every right to do. Thee Voice of Reason

12:08pm Sun 22 Dec 13

RABTID says...

Are you aware any of you that loaning a player out, means we still have to pay 50% of their salary. Therefore a small saving could be made. Now to Bateman RW sold him to Wigan, with out the knowledge of the other Directors, knocking bet the money went to OK, as RW was an obvious lackey of OK. Should this money now be deducted from what OK is owed? Several of the players were signed by the current board and OK, so the matter of monies is difficult to decide. But now doubt TVOR will enlighten me. As to BB point, the players wish to stay at Bulls, but except any outcome, come what may. The only team THAT needs players, has unfilled quotas is London. But have they the cash?

I saw the word retard used earlier by the pseudo Rhino. Only one retard here himself. Never seen the inside of the home of Yorkshire Cricket, only the car park.

As to the position of the RFL, in this, it's the same as in all other cases, involving SL Clubs impartial. At least they have have developed a pair, saying no to London's' request to sign more overseas players.

Koukash, has friends who may be interested, so all could be solved in a matter of weeks. TVOR, if you don't believe this, use your vast investigative skills to find out who.
Are you aware any of you that loaning a player out, means we still have to pay 50% of their salary. Therefore a small saving could be made. Now to Bateman RW sold him to Wigan, with out the knowledge of the other Directors, knocking bet the money went to OK, as RW was an obvious lackey of OK. Should this money now be deducted from what OK is owed? Several of the players were signed by the current board and OK, so the matter of monies is difficult to decide. But now doubt TVOR will enlighten me. As to BB point, the players wish to stay at Bulls, but except any outcome, come what may. The only team THAT needs players, has unfilled quotas is London. But have they the cash? I saw the word retard used earlier by the pseudo Rhino. Only one retard here himself. Never seen the inside of the home of Yorkshire Cricket, only the car park. As to the position of the RFL, in this, it's the same as in all other cases, involving SL Clubs impartial. At least they have have developed a pair, saying no to London's' request to sign more overseas players. Koukash, has friends who may be interested, so all could be solved in a matter of weeks. TVOR, if you don't believe this, use your vast investigative skills to find out who. RABTID

12:23pm Sun 22 Dec 13

bradfordbronco says...

Hi TVOR. How will the courts arrive at a valuation for the club. As far as I can work out if the business doesn't make a profit and doesn't have any real assets its worth nothing. If Omar owns 100% of nothing then that's still nothing. I know Omar put money in that he would like back but how can he expect the current board to pay him £400,000 if the business is worth £0.00.

Think we could just about stumble to the start of the season if Omar, the current board and RFL all sat down an agreed a payment schedule to Omar over the next year and keep the matter out of the courts
Hi TVOR. How will the courts arrive at a valuation for the club. As far as I can work out if the business doesn't make a profit and doesn't have any real assets its worth nothing. If Omar owns 100% of nothing then that's still nothing. I know Omar put money in that he would like back but how can he expect the current board to pay him £400,000 if the business is worth £0.00. Think we could just about stumble to the start of the season if Omar, the current board and RFL all sat down an agreed a payment schedule to Omar over the next year and keep the matter out of the courts bradfordbronco

4:16pm Sun 22 Dec 13

grafter1980 says...

can someone cut and paste that chaps very succinct summary of the ST holders meeting when the problems were discussed by the current board can't find it
can someone cut and paste that chaps very succinct summary of the ST holders meeting when the problems were discussed by the current board can't find it grafter1980

6:57am Mon 23 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

I must confess to being baffled by the whole situation, on one hand it seems simple> ie O sells 99% of shares to MM amd RW, agrees a time scale for the payments, in the period after the deal is done. MM and RW persuade two more directors to join,who reportedly (at the time) take an equal share in the shareholding, so is that sale via MM and RW? Then the RFL drop the bombshell that RW is not a fit and proper person, and he slips away into the sunset, with his proportion of the unpaid debt to O presumably still not paid?
Meanwhile...........
.......... This story line should be sold to Eastenders, with at least Phil having the famous line of "Leave it ART" a good few times?

Personally I feel we can't second guess on anything until we know the facts, which may be fascinating, or very sad once again for our club.
If you aren't involved with the outcome of a possible failure, it's fascinating, but if you are wishing for a speedy outcome so the club can move forward it's excruciating.
I must confess to being baffled by the whole situation, on one hand it seems simple> ie O sells 99% of shares to MM amd RW, agrees a time scale for the payments, in the period after the deal is done. MM and RW persuade two more directors to join,who reportedly (at the time) take an equal share in the shareholding, so is that sale via MM and RW? Then the RFL drop the bombshell that RW is not a fit and proper person, and he slips away into the sunset, with his proportion of the unpaid debt to O presumably still not paid? Meanwhile........... .......... This story line should be sold to Eastenders, with at least Phil having the famous line of "Leave it ART" a good few times? Personally I feel we can't second guess on anything until we know the facts, which may be fascinating, or very sad once again for our club. If you aren't involved with the outcome of a possible failure, it's fascinating, but if you are wishing for a speedy outcome so the club can move forward it's excruciating. raisemeup

11:46am Mon 23 Dec 13

fedupwiththeBS says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
Hi TVOR. How will the courts arrive at a valuation for the club. As far as I can work out if the business doesn't make a profit and doesn't have any real assets its worth nothing. If Omar owns 100% of nothing then that's still nothing. I know Omar put money in that he would like back but how can he expect the current board to pay him £400,000 if the business is worth £0.00.

Think we could just about stumble to the start of the season if Omar, the current board and RFL all sat down an agreed a payment schedule to Omar over the next year and keep the matter out of the courts
OK owns the Coral stand as that is not part of the lease agreement with the RFL which is why the point of aim for them was concerts and Asian Weddings which were meant to have been cash rich in wet sales that would not have to go back into the club.

the other thing the club owns is a shed load of debt which is hanging around the Boards neck but it is a weight that MM was aware of before he signed despite his protestations that he did not.
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Hi TVOR. How will the courts arrive at a valuation for the club. As far as I can work out if the business doesn't make a profit and doesn't have any real assets its worth nothing. If Omar owns 100% of nothing then that's still nothing. I know Omar put money in that he would like back but how can he expect the current board to pay him £400,000 if the business is worth £0.00. Think we could just about stumble to the start of the season if Omar, the current board and RFL all sat down an agreed a payment schedule to Omar over the next year and keep the matter out of the courts[/p][/quote]OK owns the Coral stand as that is not part of the lease agreement with the RFL which is why the point of aim for them was concerts and Asian Weddings which were meant to have been cash rich in wet sales that would not have to go back into the club. the other thing the club owns is a shed load of debt which is hanging around the Boards neck but it is a weight that MM was aware of before he signed despite his protestations that he did not. fedupwiththeBS

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