Bradford Bulls wage-cut negotiations ongoing, says Robbie Hunter-Paul

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Chief executive of League 13 Ernie Benbow Chief executive of League 13 Ernie Benbow

Negotiations are set to continue after the Bulls squad offered to defer part of their wages after rejecting an outright pay-cut.

Francis Cummins’ players were asked by the club to take a ten per cent cut in wages following the news that savings of up to £400,000 must be made.

That proposal was turned down but the players instead suggested that the club could defer paying ten per cent of their wages until later in the year.

No deal has yet been struck after the proposal was deemed unfeasible by the club.

Bulls chief executive Robbie Hunter-Paul said: “The wage-cut proposal related not only to the players but all heads of department across the business and it was a case of ‘one in or none in’.

“In terms of the wage deferment, it was measured to be not feasible due to not knowing our position at the end of next year.

"Too often in the past, poor decisions have been made on the back of poor forecasting based on inaccurate analysis. With deferment, you run the risk of ending up in the same situation as this year.”

Ernie Benbow, of players union League 13, met with the Bulls players and club hierarchy on Tuesday.

He said: “We will continue to examine every proposal from the club provided that we receive proper and appropriate information.

"We are basically working on word of mouth and need to see information in writing before making an informed decision.”

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7:49am Thu 12 Dec 13

AdeyG'man says...

I say defer payment based on us making playoffs. Keeps everyone motivated!
I say defer payment based on us making playoffs. Keeps everyone motivated! AdeyG'man

8:27am Thu 12 Dec 13

fedupwiththeBS says...

AdeyG'man wrote:
I say defer payment based on us making playoffs. Keeps everyone motivated!
We will be lucky to make the start of the season if this is not resolved.

This pressure should not be on the players; this is a matter that the board need to sort out; if they do not have the funds then why take the club in the first place?
[quote][p][bold]AdeyG'man[/bold] wrote: I say defer payment based on us making playoffs. Keeps everyone motivated![/p][/quote]We will be lucky to make the start of the season if this is not resolved. This pressure should not be on the players; this is a matter that the board need to sort out; if they do not have the funds then why take the club in the first place? fedupwiththeBS

8:43am Thu 12 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward.
Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.
A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward. Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright. Thee Voice of Reason

8:47am Thu 12 Dec 13

Lythambull says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward.
Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.
Agreed, nice to see that players and management MET league13 the day the T&A ran a story about demanding answers. Bravo. Not like the fire needs anymore stoking is it??
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward. Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.[/p][/quote]Agreed, nice to see that players and management MET league13 the day the T&A ran a story about demanding answers. Bravo. Not like the fire needs anymore stoking is it?? Lythambull

8:59am Thu 12 Dec 13

rogerthat! says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward.
Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.
Are you for real. This idea is very similar to the Government cutting Benefits to those who have not created the Mess. Directors,Bankers and Politicians and we had one of these that ran off !!
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward. Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.[/p][/quote]Are you for real. This idea is very similar to the Government cutting Benefits to those who have not created the Mess. Directors,Bankers and Politicians and we had one of these that ran off !! rogerthat!

9:07am Thu 12 Dec 13

rogerthat! says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward.
Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.
Are you for real? IT is the same as the Government cutting all benefits to those who did not cause the Financial melt down.
The Directors past and present are responsible not the Players.
Why did the Officials carry on with signing big earners? Recruiting more Staff?
Clueless.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward. Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? IT is the same as the Government cutting all benefits to those who did not cause the Financial melt down. The Directors past and present are responsible not the Players. Why did the Officials carry on with signing big earners? Recruiting more Staff? Clueless. rogerthat!

9:12am Thu 12 Dec 13

Ballboy2012 says...

if anybody know what the salary cap i would like to here . it used to be 1.5 million, which is 125k per month on players. Who is getting the paid 95k a month at the bulls ?
if anybody know what the salary cap i would like to here . it used to be 1.5 million, which is 125k per month on players. Who is getting the paid 95k a month at the bulls ? Ballboy2012

9:13am Thu 12 Dec 13

Farsley Bantam says...

rogerthat! wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward. Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.
Are you for real? IT is the same as the Government cutting all benefits to those who did not cause the Financial melt down. The Directors past and present are responsible not the Players. Why did the Officials carry on with signing big earners? Recruiting more Staff? Clueless.
Clueless sums up your comment. It's not important who's fault it is in this instance. If costs are not reduced there will be no club and noone will have a job.
[quote][p][bold]rogerthat![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward. Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? IT is the same as the Government cutting all benefits to those who did not cause the Financial melt down. The Directors past and present are responsible not the Players. Why did the Officials carry on with signing big earners? Recruiting more Staff? Clueless.[/p][/quote]Clueless sums up your comment. It's not important who's fault it is in this instance. If costs are not reduced there will be no club and noone will have a job. Farsley Bantam

9:14am Thu 12 Dec 13

Ballboy2012 says...

that should say who is getting the additional 95k which makes the 125 up to 220k current wage bill.
that should say who is getting the additional 95k which makes the 125 up to 220k current wage bill. Ballboy2012

9:31am Thu 12 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

This idiot clearly has no knowledge of my comments on the Bulls for the last year otherwise he will know I've called it right from the start so I suggest he point his clueless insults elsewhere.
This idiot clearly has no knowledge of my comments on the Bulls for the last year otherwise he will know I've called it right from the start so I suggest he point his clueless insults elsewhere. Thee Voice of Reason

9:51am Thu 12 Dec 13

rogerthat! says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
This idiot clearly has no knowledge of my comments on the Bulls for the last year otherwise he will know I've called it right from the start so I suggest he point his clueless insults elsewhere.
REASON. Read the post, Clueless refers to the Officials carrying on signing players and recruiting Staff when obviously they could not afford it.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: This idiot clearly has no knowledge of my comments on the Bulls for the last year otherwise he will know I've called it right from the start so I suggest he point his clueless insults elsewhere.[/p][/quote]REASON. Read the post, Clueless refers to the Officials carrying on signing players and recruiting Staff when obviously they could not afford it. rogerthat!

9:51am Thu 12 Dec 13

BrisBull says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
This idiot clearly has no knowledge of my comments on the Bulls for the last year otherwise he will know I've called it right from the start so I suggest he point his clueless insults elsewhere.
So you're right - or is that righteous. Happy now?

Sick of reading your constant self righteous burble.

I'm not bothering with this any more, it's all about a small number of people seeing who can pee highest.

Rant over - and out.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: This idiot clearly has no knowledge of my comments on the Bulls for the last year otherwise he will know I've called it right from the start so I suggest he point his clueless insults elsewhere.[/p][/quote]So you're right - or is that righteous. Happy now? Sick of reading your constant self righteous burble. I'm not bothering with this any more, it's all about a small number of people seeing who can pee highest. Rant over - and out. BrisBull

9:52am Thu 12 Dec 13

StevieLad says...

rogerthat! wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward.
Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.
Are you for real? IT is the same as the Government cutting all benefits to those who did not cause the Financial melt down.
The Directors past and present are responsible not the Players.
Why did the Officials carry on with signing big earners? Recruiting more Staff?
Clueless.
What's your solution then Rodge?
[quote][p][bold]rogerthat![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward. Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? IT is the same as the Government cutting all benefits to those who did not cause the Financial melt down. The Directors past and present are responsible not the Players. Why did the Officials carry on with signing big earners? Recruiting more Staff? Clueless.[/p][/quote]What's your solution then Rodge? StevieLad

10:15am Thu 12 Dec 13

rogerthat! says...

StevieLad wrote:
rogerthat! wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward.
Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.
Are you for real? IT is the same as the Government cutting all benefits to those who did not cause the Financial melt down.
The Directors past and present are responsible not the Players.
Why did the Officials carry on with signing big earners? Recruiting more Staff?
Clueless.
What's your solution then Rodge?
Championship, part time players and start rebuilding.
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthat![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward. Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? IT is the same as the Government cutting all benefits to those who did not cause the Financial melt down. The Directors past and present are responsible not the Players. Why did the Officials carry on with signing big earners? Recruiting more Staff? Clueless.[/p][/quote]What's your solution then Rodge?[/p][/quote]Championship, part time players and start rebuilding. rogerthat!

10:43am Thu 12 Dec 13

bullybullman says...

Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching.

The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 !
I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie.
It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.
Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching. The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 ! I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie. It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season. bullybullman

11:08am Thu 12 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

bullybullman wrote:
Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching.

The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 !
I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie.
It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.
exactly

Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name.

Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him?

Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better
[quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching. The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 ! I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie. It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.[/p][/quote]exactly Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name. Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him? Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better Andy2010

11:25am Thu 12 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

According to his twitter, Cllr David Green is seeking clarification on the £200k of council taxpayers money tied up into the Bulls as it doesn't appear to be secured against club assets. This may mean it is secured against a previous director which is why a legal battle is starting to take place.
According to his twitter, Cllr David Green is seeking clarification on the £200k of council taxpayers money tied up into the Bulls as it doesn't appear to be secured against club assets. This may mean it is secured against a previous director which is why a legal battle is starting to take place. Bacon Bantam

11:29am Thu 12 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

BrisBull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
This idiot clearly has no knowledge of my comments on the Bulls for the last year otherwise he will know I've called it right from the start so I suggest he point his clueless insults elsewhere.
So you're right - or is that righteous. Happy now?

Sick of reading your constant self righteous burble.

I'm not bothering with this any more, it's all about a small number of people seeing who can pee highest.

Rant over - and out.
Would you like me to read you fairy stories where everyone lives happily ever after instead?
We are discussing the current events at the club and the news is not good. There isn't really any other way to dress it up.
[quote][p][bold]BrisBull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: This idiot clearly has no knowledge of my comments on the Bulls for the last year otherwise he will know I've called it right from the start so I suggest he point his clueless insults elsewhere.[/p][/quote]So you're right - or is that righteous. Happy now? Sick of reading your constant self righteous burble. I'm not bothering with this any more, it's all about a small number of people seeing who can pee highest. Rant over - and out.[/p][/quote]Would you like me to read you fairy stories where everyone lives happily ever after instead? We are discussing the current events at the club and the news is not good. There isn't really any other way to dress it up. Thee Voice of Reason

12:05pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Prycey says...

Regarding Robbie, if he stays, he will be the one wearing many hats. Wasn’t Whitcutt the club manager who ran (badly) the day to day matters? If we lost Robbie we would be left with Duffy and three part time directors. Somebody has to be there every day running the club – Duffy or Robbie or both. We may be skint but it is still a multi-million pound business that needs someone to be making decisions. If we let Robbie go we would need to bring in someone else so why not let Robbie do the lot?
Regarding Robbie, if he stays, he will be the one wearing many hats. Wasn’t Whitcutt the club manager who ran (badly) the day to day matters? If we lost Robbie we would be left with Duffy and three part time directors. Somebody has to be there every day running the club – Duffy or Robbie or both. We may be skint but it is still a multi-million pound business that needs someone to be making decisions. If we let Robbie go we would need to bring in someone else so why not let Robbie do the lot? Prycey

12:14pm Thu 12 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bullybullman wrote:
Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching.

The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 !
I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie.
It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.
exactly

Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name.

Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him?

Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better
Two questions!

So you two no this, how?
And

Are unsavory comments the province of the unsavory??
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching. The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 ! I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie. It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.[/p][/quote]exactly Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name. Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him? Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better[/p][/quote]Two questions! So you two no this, how? And Are unsavory comments the province of the unsavory?? raisemeup

2:28pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Lythambull says...

I think the idea of starting again in the lower leagues would stick in the throat of many fans (including me) and smacks of giving up. We aren't in administration, we need to steady the ship. This is responsible business from the new owners. Give them time to put things in place.
COYB!!
I think the idea of starting again in the lower leagues would stick in the throat of many fans (including me) and smacks of giving up. We aren't in administration, we need to steady the ship. This is responsible business from the new owners. Give them time to put things in place. COYB!! Lythambull

2:37pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Pablo says...

Prycey wrote:
Regarding Robbie, if he stays, he will be the one wearing many hats. Wasn’t Whitcutt the club manager who ran (badly) the day to day matters? If we lost Robbie we would be left with Duffy and three part time directors. Somebody has to be there every day running the club – Duffy or Robbie or both. We may be skint but it is still a multi-million pound business that needs someone to be making decisions. If we let Robbie go we would need to bring in someone else so why not let Robbie do the lot?
Robbie Paul has little experience of a CEO role and, I'd guess, even less of how to deal with the current predicament. Enthusiasm is no substitute for hardened experience.

On the subject of the proposed pay cut, the affected employees would do well to remember that 90% of something is better than 100% of nothing. They'll all be out of work, if the club goes out of existence. The Directors must be running out of patience and it must be remembered they don't need the Bulls to provide them with a living. Time is running out.
[quote][p][bold]Prycey[/bold] wrote: Regarding Robbie, if he stays, he will be the one wearing many hats. Wasn’t Whitcutt the club manager who ran (badly) the day to day matters? If we lost Robbie we would be left with Duffy and three part time directors. Somebody has to be there every day running the club – Duffy or Robbie or both. We may be skint but it is still a multi-million pound business that needs someone to be making decisions. If we let Robbie go we would need to bring in someone else so why not let Robbie do the lot?[/p][/quote]Robbie Paul has little experience of a CEO role and, I'd guess, even less of how to deal with the current predicament. Enthusiasm is no substitute for hardened experience. On the subject of the proposed pay cut, the affected employees would do well to remember that 90% of something is better than 100% of nothing. They'll all be out of work, if the club goes out of existence. The Directors must be running out of patience and it must be remembered they don't need the Bulls to provide them with a living. Time is running out. Pablo

2:55pm Thu 12 Dec 13

handoff says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bullybullman wrote:
Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching.

The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 !
I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie.
It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.
exactly

Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name.

Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him?

Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better
As usual, abuse is the first resort of the weak minded. If you knew anything about marketing you would realise what Robbie brings to the club. Furthermore there is no evidence that the present board are incompetent and, having discussed the situation with them on several occasions, I see them as honest and skilful businessmen. I do not wish to add to rumour prior to any legal proceedings, but be assured there are very good reasons to trust the financial assessment of the previous administration by the current board. Let's remember people's livelihoods are at stake here and be moderate in our comments.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching. The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 ! I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie. It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.[/p][/quote]exactly Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name. Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him? Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better[/p][/quote]As usual, abuse is the first resort of the weak minded. If you knew anything about marketing you would realise what Robbie brings to the club. Furthermore there is no evidence that the present board are incompetent and, having discussed the situation with them on several occasions, I see them as honest and skilful businessmen. I do not wish to add to rumour prior to any legal proceedings, but be assured there are very good reasons to trust the financial assessment of the previous administration by the current board. Let's remember people's livelihoods are at stake here and be moderate in our comments. handoff

4:48pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

handoff wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
bullybullman wrote:
Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching.

The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 !
I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie.
It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.
exactly

Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name.

Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him?

Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better
As usual, abuse is the first resort of the weak minded. If you knew anything about marketing you would realise what Robbie brings to the club. Furthermore there is no evidence that the present board are incompetent and, having discussed the situation with them on several occasions, I see them as honest and skilful businessmen. I do not wish to add to rumour prior to any legal proceedings, but be assured there are very good reasons to trust the financial assessment of the previous administration by the current board. Let's remember people's livelihoods are at stake here and be moderate in our comments.
That marketing hasn't materialised in funding though has it? It hasn't ramped up the ST sales, it is a wage to pay which on the surface looks to be a bit of a waste. If figures/wage can be brought forward to prove this otherwise I will stand corrected.

Bradford City players had to take wage deferment and wait for these earnings to be paid back over a number of years, some even waived them completely. It isn't a perfect scenario by any means but it is a means to an end and does make some savings now.

Pity the cleaners, bar stewards etc on pitiful wages didn't have the same opportunity.
[quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching. The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 ! I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie. It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.[/p][/quote]exactly Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name. Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him? Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better[/p][/quote]As usual, abuse is the first resort of the weak minded. If you knew anything about marketing you would realise what Robbie brings to the club. Furthermore there is no evidence that the present board are incompetent and, having discussed the situation with them on several occasions, I see them as honest and skilful businessmen. I do not wish to add to rumour prior to any legal proceedings, but be assured there are very good reasons to trust the financial assessment of the previous administration by the current board. Let's remember people's livelihoods are at stake here and be moderate in our comments.[/p][/quote]That marketing hasn't materialised in funding though has it? It hasn't ramped up the ST sales, it is a wage to pay which on the surface looks to be a bit of a waste. If figures/wage can be brought forward to prove this otherwise I will stand corrected. Bradford City players had to take wage deferment and wait for these earnings to be paid back over a number of years, some even waived them completely. It isn't a perfect scenario by any means but it is a means to an end and does make some savings now. Pity the cleaners, bar stewards etc on pitiful wages didn't have the same opportunity. Prisoner Cell Block A

4:59pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Whyisleedsalwaysbetter says...

Quick! All Bulls supporters look at the super league table on the BBC sport website. Bulls are top!! Rhinos only seventh and Wigan bottom.That should mean another 5000 on home gates at least….. Oh wait a min we've all got 0 points …… Well at least the Bulls can be first at something……..Apa
rt from going out of business.
Quick! All Bulls supporters look at the super league table on the BBC sport website. Bulls are top!! Rhinos only seventh and Wigan bottom.That should mean another 5000 on home gates at least….. Oh wait a min we've all got 0 points …… Well at least the Bulls can be first at something……..Apa rt from going out of business. Whyisleedsalwaysbetter

5:52pm Thu 12 Dec 13

BD16 says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
According to his twitter, Cllr David Green is seeking clarification on the £200k of council taxpayers money tied up into the Bulls as it doesn't appear to be secured against club assets. This may mean it is secured against a previous director which is why a legal battle is starting to take place.
Maybe it's secured against nothing and David Green is trying to distance himself from this car crash that could be about to cost the tax payer another 200k. We need to know who sanctioned this loan and on what grounds. If it turns out to be an inside job, with Greenwood and Sutcliffe being Bulls directors at the time, charges should be brought if a fraudulent act had been committed. No whitewash ala the Rev Flowers internal report.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: According to his twitter, Cllr David Green is seeking clarification on the £200k of council taxpayers money tied up into the Bulls as it doesn't appear to be secured against club assets. This may mean it is secured against a previous director which is why a legal battle is starting to take place.[/p][/quote]Maybe it's secured against nothing and David Green is trying to distance himself from this car crash that could be about to cost the tax payer another 200k. We need to know who sanctioned this loan and on what grounds. If it turns out to be an inside job, with Greenwood and Sutcliffe being Bulls directors at the time, charges should be brought if a fraudulent act had been committed. No whitewash ala the Rev Flowers internal report. BD16

6:10pm Thu 12 Dec 13

bullybullman says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
handoff wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
bullybullman wrote:
Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching.

The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 !
I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie.
It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.
exactly

Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name.

Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him?

Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better
As usual, abuse is the first resort of the weak minded. If you knew anything about marketing you would realise what Robbie brings to the club. Furthermore there is no evidence that the present board are incompetent and, having discussed the situation with them on several occasions, I see them as honest and skilful businessmen. I do not wish to add to rumour prior to any legal proceedings, but be assured there are very good reasons to trust the financial assessment of the previous administration by the current board. Let's remember people's livelihoods are at stake here and be moderate in our comments.
That marketing hasn't materialised in funding though has it? It hasn't ramped up the ST sales, it is a wage to pay which on the surface looks to be a bit of a waste. If figures/wage can be brought forward to prove this otherwise I will stand corrected.

Bradford City players had to take wage deferment and wait for these earnings to be paid back over a number of years, some even waived them completely. It isn't a perfect scenario by any means but it is a means to an end and does make some savings now.

Pity the cleaners, bar stewards etc on pitiful wages didn't have the same opportunity.
Well Robbie posting on T & A yourself now ? from what I can see his marketing is working a treat ! no more sponsership no more season ticket sales & a load of clothing with belong patches being stuck over Omar Khan the guy is a genius I take it all back.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching. The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 ! I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie. It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.[/p][/quote]exactly Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name. Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him? Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better[/p][/quote]As usual, abuse is the first resort of the weak minded. If you knew anything about marketing you would realise what Robbie brings to the club. Furthermore there is no evidence that the present board are incompetent and, having discussed the situation with them on several occasions, I see them as honest and skilful businessmen. I do not wish to add to rumour prior to any legal proceedings, but be assured there are very good reasons to trust the financial assessment of the previous administration by the current board. Let's remember people's livelihoods are at stake here and be moderate in our comments.[/p][/quote]That marketing hasn't materialised in funding though has it? It hasn't ramped up the ST sales, it is a wage to pay which on the surface looks to be a bit of a waste. If figures/wage can be brought forward to prove this otherwise I will stand corrected. Bradford City players had to take wage deferment and wait for these earnings to be paid back over a number of years, some even waived them completely. It isn't a perfect scenario by any means but it is a means to an end and does make some savings now. Pity the cleaners, bar stewards etc on pitiful wages didn't have the same opportunity.[/p][/quote]Well Robbie posting on T & A yourself now ? from what I can see his marketing is working a treat ! no more sponsership no more season ticket sales & a load of clothing with belong patches being stuck over Omar Khan the guy is a genius I take it all back. bullybullman

7:07pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Writer says...

i think the big question here is does Bradford want a Super League club? On the evidence so far the answer is no.We are reputed to have sold around 4500 season tickets - pathetic! Where are all the supporters who rallied round last year? The £400k difference is 2000 season tickets or thereabouts when they were hoping to sell 6500. The position is exacerbated by the ever helpful Red Hall witholding £650k of our Sky monies. In Caisley's time when we were winning trophies he reckoned we needed gates of 14500 but we were only getting around 11500 as I remember and we didn't have the ground to maintain then.

So come on Bradford buy your season tickets and support your
team. COYB!
i think the big question here is does Bradford want a Super League club? On the evidence so far the answer is no.We are reputed to have sold around 4500 season tickets - pathetic! Where are all the supporters who rallied round last year? The £400k difference is 2000 season tickets or thereabouts when they were hoping to sell 6500. The position is exacerbated by the ever helpful Red Hall witholding £650k of our Sky monies. In Caisley's time when we were winning trophies he reckoned we needed gates of 14500 but we were only getting around 11500 as I remember and we didn't have the ground to maintain then. So come on Bradford buy your season tickets and support your team. COYB! Writer

8:25pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Scrouge says...

StevieLad wrote:
rogerthat! wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward.
Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.
Are you for real? IT is the same as the Government cutting all benefits to those who did not cause the Financial melt down.
The Directors past and present are responsible not the Players.
Why did the Officials carry on with signing big earners? Recruiting more Staff?
Clueless.
What's your solution then Rodge?
Championship and start again. Sorry cannot see another way .
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthat![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward. Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? IT is the same as the Government cutting all benefits to those who did not cause the Financial melt down. The Directors past and present are responsible not the Players. Why did the Officials carry on with signing big earners? Recruiting more Staff? Clueless.[/p][/quote]What's your solution then Rodge?[/p][/quote]Championship and start again. Sorry cannot see another way . Scrouge

3:45am Fri 13 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bullybullman wrote:
Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching.

The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 !
I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie.
It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.
exactly

Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name.

Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him?

Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better
Was that Statler and Wadorf?
Visualise what a field day those two would have looking down on this farce.
How can any businessman who wracks up from a standing debt free start £1.2 million debt and leave the business insolvent broke and finished expect to command a price for it.
No assets other than a £3 million cost leasehold Coral Stand that OK paid £225000 for.
The legal action of Ok will be the death knell.
God save the Bulls.Long Live Bradford Northern
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching. The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 ! I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie. It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.[/p][/quote]exactly Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name. Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him? Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better[/p][/quote]Was that Statler and Wadorf? Visualise what a field day those two would have looking down on this farce. How can any businessman who wracks up from a standing debt free start £1.2 million debt and leave the business insolvent broke and finished expect to command a price for it. No assets other than a £3 million cost leasehold Coral Stand that OK paid £225000 for. The legal action of Ok will be the death knell. God save the Bulls.Long Live Bradford Northern Ahrmen Aleg

4:10am Fri 13 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Scrouge wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
rogerthat! wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward.
Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.
Are you for real? IT is the same as the Government cutting all benefits to those who did not cause the Financial melt down.
The Directors past and present are responsible not the Players.
Why did the Officials carry on with signing big earners? Recruiting more Staff?
Clueless.
What's your solution then Rodge?
Championship and start again. Sorry cannot see another way .
You are spot on.

The Bulls cannot survive a year on wages of 225000 with pitifull season ticket sales.

Potential season ticket sales will not crystalise to sales with an uncertainty to survival.

Thats not going away the players wont take a cut so get rid and stat again.

The last time Northern dropped out of the top flight kick started the Peter Fox era.

Having won the second tier at the first attempt good young ens like Mumby (not the one on here)were given their chance.

Premierships and titles followed by the late seventies early eighties.

Was it 1975 when the Bulls won the Second Division?

Does anybody remember the gates in league division 2 ?
[quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthat![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: A deferment of wages of 10% till later in the year / season is probably the best the club will have on the table to go forward. Paying £200k per month is slightly easier that £220k and over 5 months the outlay is £100k less. Yes I know this will still have to be paid but at least it buys time and shouldn't be dismissed outright.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? IT is the same as the Government cutting all benefits to those who did not cause the Financial melt down. The Directors past and present are responsible not the Players. Why did the Officials carry on with signing big earners? Recruiting more Staff? Clueless.[/p][/quote]What's your solution then Rodge?[/p][/quote]Championship and start again. Sorry cannot see another way .[/p][/quote]You are spot on. The Bulls cannot survive a year on wages of 225000 with pitifull season ticket sales. Potential season ticket sales will not crystalise to sales with an uncertainty to survival. Thats not going away the players wont take a cut so get rid and stat again. The last time Northern dropped out of the top flight kick started the Peter Fox era. Having won the second tier at the first attempt good young ens like Mumby (not the one on here)were given their chance. Premierships and titles followed by the late seventies early eighties. Was it 1975 when the Bulls won the Second Division? Does anybody remember the gates in league division 2 ? Ahrmen Aleg

4:14am Fri 13 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bullybullman wrote:
Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching.

The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 !
I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie.
It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.
exactly

Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name.

Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him?

Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better
Was that Statler and Wadorf?
Visualise what a field day those two would have looking down on this farce.
How can any businessman who wracks up from a standing debt free start £1.2 million debt and leave the business insolvent broke and finished expect to command a price for it.
No assets other than a £3 million cost leasehold Coral Stand that OK paid £225000 for.
The legal action of Ok will be the death knell.
God save the Bulls.Long Live Bradford Northern
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching. The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 ! I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie. It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.[/p][/quote]exactly Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name. Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him? Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better[/p][/quote]Was that Statler and Wadorf? Visualise what a field day those two would have looking down on this farce. How can any businessman who wracks up from a standing debt free start £1.2 million debt and leave the business insolvent broke and finished expect to command a price for it. No assets other than a £3 million cost leasehold Coral Stand that OK paid £225000 for. The legal action of Ok will be the death knell. God save the Bulls.Long Live Bradford Northern Ahrmen Aleg

9:11am Fri 13 Dec 13

tezzawils says...

robbie paul brought so much success to the bulls and so much pleasure to bulls fans in the past he was bull mania the heart of it ,hes been to collage learn about sports management etc and when it was announced he was coming back on board to help the bulls the majority of fans where very happy .if anybody can turn this club around its robbie paul just give him time the rest of the board as we all know dont have the rugby brain he has and they need him to front the club just as much as we need players like scrutes ,sammut kearney etc so lets just give him a chance .
robbie paul brought so much success to the bulls and so much pleasure to bulls fans in the past he was bull mania the heart of it ,hes been to collage learn about sports management etc and when it was announced he was coming back on board to help the bulls the majority of fans where very happy .if anybody can turn this club around its robbie paul just give him time the rest of the board as we all know dont have the rugby brain he has and they need him to front the club just as much as we need players like scrutes ,sammut kearney etc so lets just give him a chance . tezzawils

9:53am Fri 13 Dec 13

Old Dave says...

Short term, I can see the BUlls limping through to the start of February, fulfilling a couple of fixtures thus effectively forcing the RFL/SL to help us so they dont have a mess with fixtures.
worst case scenario is players refuse to defer pay, dont get paid, refuse to play, RFL bin us before February and we have a year with no team and have to reform.
RP isnt to blame and neither are the current directors. OK and Gerry thought they could pull a fast one on the ground lease with the RFL, and make a few quid . In the medium term, with an election in 18 months, I can see it costing Gerry his career, especially if the council look closely into the loan issue from the council. The Labour Party could quite feasibly offer him up as a sacrificial lamb if it starts hitting the fan.
We should never have wasted our time and money with the saving of the BUlls under Hood in April/May 2012. We should have used that money to reform. By now, we could have been a decent Championship side, pushing to be one of the first sides promoted back to SL in a couple of years. It can be done, but it takes time and money, money that can be generated if a club builds its community links, instead of fleecing local businesses and constantly offering poor value to sponsors.
Short term, I can see the BUlls limping through to the start of February, fulfilling a couple of fixtures thus effectively forcing the RFL/SL to help us so they dont have a mess with fixtures. worst case scenario is players refuse to defer pay, dont get paid, refuse to play, RFL bin us before February and we have a year with no team and have to reform. RP isnt to blame and neither are the current directors. OK and Gerry thought they could pull a fast one on the ground lease with the RFL, and make a few quid . In the medium term, with an election in 18 months, I can see it costing Gerry his career, especially if the council look closely into the loan issue from the council. The Labour Party could quite feasibly offer him up as a sacrificial lamb if it starts hitting the fan. We should never have wasted our time and money with the saving of the BUlls under Hood in April/May 2012. We should have used that money to reform. By now, we could have been a decent Championship side, pushing to be one of the first sides promoted back to SL in a couple of years. It can be done, but it takes time and money, money that can be generated if a club builds its community links, instead of fleecing local businesses and constantly offering poor value to sponsors. Old Dave

11:19am Fri 13 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

handoff wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
bullybullman wrote:
Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching.

The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 !
I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie.
It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.
exactly

Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name.

Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him?

Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better
As usual, abuse is the first resort of the weak minded. If you knew anything about marketing you would realise what Robbie brings to the club. Furthermore there is no evidence that the present board are incompetent and, having discussed the situation with them on several occasions, I see them as honest and skilful businessmen. I do not wish to add to rumour prior to any legal proceedings, but be assured there are very good reasons to trust the financial assessment of the previous administration by the current board. Let's remember people's livelihoods are at stake here and be moderate in our comments.
So you believed their lies then?

I actually have business dealings with them not only with the bulls but also with their other businesses.

Obviously I'm not going to go into detail on here but for example do a quick check on Dunn & Bradstreet for their respective businesses and check out not only their accounts but their payment practices.

The top and bottom of it I genuinely believe they have the clubs interests at heart but they are not skilled enough businessmen to attract investment and they literally have no money to invest themselves or settle current liabilities. I'am of the impression they are already sick of taking this now on when they have unraveled the accounts and processes but this is solely their own fault for not doing due diligence and just signing contracts based on feelings.

As for Robbie Paul....sorry but he has attended a Sports Management course at college....its hardly an MBA is it. You state Robbie's role adds something by way of marketing...to some extent I agree but as the club is failing and fast they could have David Beckham in charge and even then they would struggle to find investment.
[quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: Several members of the back room staff were told yesterday that they are to be made redundant. We are really going to be down to the barebones this coming season. Sadly its only a matter of £500k next season we will be in a much better state but with all this turmoil its bound to put people off watching. The gate revenues are vital this season if we become the whipping boys of super league people will simply stay away but the club can not afford to pay the wages catch 22 ! I know its a bone of contention but what is Robbie Paul bringing to the party ? We need to convince our existing sponsors & new sponsors to invest now before its too late but this is just not coming off. For what he has brought to the club since his return IT maybe better to save another wage by chopping Robbie. It looks highly likely now that London will fold so 13 teams in super league could go to twelve if we go pop that is a disaster for Rugby league. It would be a much better idea for the RFL to allow us to defer rent payments & give us a loan to see us through till next season.[/p][/quote]exactly Robbie adds nothing to the club beside his name. Lets face it he's no businessman and he doesnt have any contacts to drive investment to Odsal so whats the point of him? Mind you the other two muppets running the show aint much better[/p][/quote]As usual, abuse is the first resort of the weak minded. If you knew anything about marketing you would realise what Robbie brings to the club. Furthermore there is no evidence that the present board are incompetent and, having discussed the situation with them on several occasions, I see them as honest and skilful businessmen. I do not wish to add to rumour prior to any legal proceedings, but be assured there are very good reasons to trust the financial assessment of the previous administration by the current board. Let's remember people's livelihoods are at stake here and be moderate in our comments.[/p][/quote]So you believed their lies then? I actually have business dealings with them not only with the bulls but also with their other businesses. Obviously I'm not going to go into detail on here but for example do a quick check on Dunn & Bradstreet for their respective businesses and check out not only their accounts but their payment practices. The top and bottom of it I genuinely believe they have the clubs interests at heart but they are not skilled enough businessmen to attract investment and they literally have no money to invest themselves or settle current liabilities. I'am of the impression they are already sick of taking this now on when they have unraveled the accounts and processes but this is solely their own fault for not doing due diligence and just signing contracts based on feelings. As for Robbie Paul....sorry but he has attended a Sports Management course at college....its hardly an MBA is it. You state Robbie's role adds something by way of marketing...to some extent I agree but as the club is failing and fast they could have David Beckham in charge and even then they would struggle to find investment. Andy2010

11:27am Fri 13 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Old Dave wrote:
Short term, I can see the BUlls limping through to the start of February, fulfilling a couple of fixtures thus effectively forcing the RFL/SL to help us so they dont have a mess with fixtures.
worst case scenario is players refuse to defer pay, dont get paid, refuse to play, RFL bin us before February and we have a year with no team and have to reform.
RP isnt to blame and neither are the current directors. OK and Gerry thought they could pull a fast one on the ground lease with the RFL, and make a few quid . In the medium term, with an election in 18 months, I can see it costing Gerry his career, especially if the council look closely into the loan issue from the council. The Labour Party could quite feasibly offer him up as a sacrificial lamb if it starts hitting the fan.
We should never have wasted our time and money with the saving of the BUlls under Hood in April/May 2012. We should have used that money to reform. By now, we could have been a decent Championship side, pushing to be one of the first sides promoted back to SL in a couple of years. It can be done, but it takes time and money, money that can be generated if a club builds its community links, instead of fleecing local businesses and constantly offering poor value to sponsors.
Agreed the £500k raised by fans should have gone that way.
Instead it was grabbed by stupid directors who repaid loans they had made the club and paying off creditors to which the had given personal guarntees.

The fans have bailed out stupid directors hopefully for the last time.

Time to start again.
With the kids playing.
Like Keith Mumby was at 16.
[quote][p][bold]Old Dave[/bold] wrote: Short term, I can see the BUlls limping through to the start of February, fulfilling a couple of fixtures thus effectively forcing the RFL/SL to help us so they dont have a mess with fixtures. worst case scenario is players refuse to defer pay, dont get paid, refuse to play, RFL bin us before February and we have a year with no team and have to reform. RP isnt to blame and neither are the current directors. OK and Gerry thought they could pull a fast one on the ground lease with the RFL, and make a few quid . In the medium term, with an election in 18 months, I can see it costing Gerry his career, especially if the council look closely into the loan issue from the council. The Labour Party could quite feasibly offer him up as a sacrificial lamb if it starts hitting the fan. We should never have wasted our time and money with the saving of the BUlls under Hood in April/May 2012. We should have used that money to reform. By now, we could have been a decent Championship side, pushing to be one of the first sides promoted back to SL in a couple of years. It can be done, but it takes time and money, money that can be generated if a club builds its community links, instead of fleecing local businesses and constantly offering poor value to sponsors.[/p][/quote]Agreed the £500k raised by fans should have gone that way. Instead it was grabbed by stupid directors who repaid loans they had made the club and paying off creditors to which the had given personal guarntees. The fans have bailed out stupid directors hopefully for the last time. Time to start again. With the kids playing. Like Keith Mumby was at 16. Ahrmen Aleg

11:45am Fri 13 Dec 13

Gary Robo says...

TO THE BULLS MANAGEMENT .... the decision makers who need to start to take a grip of the situation.

I've read several people' comments but one which i would echo is surely that true Bulls fans want us to have a team and enjoy success. I like most have held off buying a season ticket this year. I think i speak for most when i say that you cant be expected to put money into something if it's possibly going to be defunct in the months to come. By now i would have purchased season tickets for myself and my boys costing around £600 but i've held off.... I have deferred my investment.

Earlier posters as well as the players ( we believe ) have raised deferring of part of the salaries as a possible solution. A figure of 10% was mentioned and assuming this to be correct, and is workable for the players, then we should grasp this opportunity.

I fully appreciate that deferring expense only moves it on and eases cash flow short term. Also that a concern would then be that unless incomes increase next season, the figures would still show an ALMIGHTY deficit later in the season when the deferred salaries are needing to be paid.

But what if :

a. The players contracts are revised with a clause showing a percentage of income from Challenge Cup and Super League play off games being payable to them. The more games ( ie the more success), the bigger the bonus. The club cannot be including such revenues in their budgets so a 50/50 split of the receipts between players/staff and Club for these additional receipts is surely a winner for all.

b. What happens then if we can strike this deal, is that we have unity within the club. We have players as well as staff all hungrier for success.
Don't get me wrong - we all want success and i'd not suggest money is our sole motive..... but it does seriously affect all individuals when you have a major incentive.

c. We as fans ( again i think i echo the majority ) think that the team and support staff/coaches we have assembled have the makings this year that screams success. We need these words re-iterating to the community of Bradford and surrounding areas that this is going to be a BIG season for the Bulls.

That's it. Nothing more to be said. We now need to sell this to all who have a heart in this Bulls family.

Get this deal done, get the newspapers , the players and the management and coaches singing this new way forward. See it as a positive - bonus pay for success.

We have one week to go before Christmas. Every day counts. With the right social media and website exposure we can generate excitement amongst all..... I know for sure I would not be the only person scrambling for Christmas Season ticket/Shirt combo deals. Sell it well at a OPEN NIGHT training session where fans turn up , meet the players and hear the positive feel around the place. Bang in a £10.00 off voucher through the T&A as a thank you for the loyalty....

Come on guys...... i speak passionately so do your jobs and get the passion and make things happen.

Thank you
Gary Robertson
gary@colour-ribbons.
com
TO THE BULLS MANAGEMENT .... the decision makers who need to start to take a grip of the situation. I've read several people' comments but one which i would echo is surely that true Bulls fans want us to have a team and enjoy success. I like most have held off buying a season ticket this year. I think i speak for most when i say that you cant be expected to put money into something if it's possibly going to be defunct in the months to come. By now i would have purchased season tickets for myself and my boys costing around £600 but i've held off.... I have deferred my investment. Earlier posters as well as the players ( we believe ) have raised deferring of part of the salaries as a possible solution. A figure of 10% was mentioned and assuming this to be correct, and is workable for the players, then we should grasp this opportunity. I fully appreciate that deferring expense only moves it on and eases cash flow short term. Also that a concern would then be that unless incomes increase next season, the figures would still show an ALMIGHTY deficit later in the season when the deferred salaries are needing to be paid. But what if : a. The players contracts are revised with a clause showing a percentage of income from Challenge Cup and Super League play off games being payable to them. The more games ( ie the more success), the bigger the bonus. The club cannot be including such revenues in their budgets so a 50/50 split of the receipts between players/staff and Club for these additional receipts is surely a winner for all. b. What happens then if we can strike this deal, is that we have unity within the club. We have players as well as staff all hungrier for success. Don't get me wrong - we all want success and i'd not suggest money is our sole motive..... but it does seriously affect all individuals when you have a major incentive. c. We as fans ( again i think i echo the majority ) think that the team and support staff/coaches we have assembled have the makings this year that screams success. We need these words re-iterating to the community of Bradford and surrounding areas that this is going to be a BIG season for the Bulls. That's it. Nothing more to be said. We now need to sell this to all who have a heart in this Bulls family. Get this deal done, get the newspapers , the players and the management and coaches singing this new way forward. See it as a positive - bonus pay for success. We have one week to go before Christmas. Every day counts. With the right social media and website exposure we can generate excitement amongst all..... I know for sure I would not be the only person scrambling for Christmas Season ticket/Shirt combo deals. Sell it well at a OPEN NIGHT training session where fans turn up , meet the players and hear the positive feel around the place. Bang in a £10.00 off voucher through the T&A as a thank you for the loyalty.... Come on guys...... i speak passionately so do your jobs and get the passion and make things happen. Thank you Gary Robertson gary@colour-ribbons. com Gary Robo

7:26pm Fri 13 Dec 13

bradfordbronco says...

Hi Gary some good brought to the table. Hopefully common sense will take hold. However regarding season tickets I think its wrong for you to look at it as an investment purely on your side. By selling a season ticket the club offers its loyal supporters the chance to attend next seasons games at a discount. In return they receive a much needed cash boost pre season. Everyone a winner. The earlier you pay for the ticket the cheaper it is. I hope you and you boys DONT buy a season ticket . I do hope you attend all home games on a pay as you go basis. That way the club will get even more income.

The last few season has seen all clubs push season tickets as a be all and all way to watch the game.. This has been done at the expense of the more casual observer. I hope the Bulls target the floating voter and get some of the more casual fans to turn up on matchdays by promoting the home games more. We've lost the plot on this front over the last few years I feel that its reached a point now, where if you don't have a season ticket you don't turn up. Supporters are being lost when we need them most. Time for the club to introduce incentives to pay on the day fans like they did in the Peter Deakin days.
Hi Gary some good brought to the table. Hopefully common sense will take hold. However regarding season tickets I think its wrong for you to look at it as an investment purely on your side. By selling a season ticket the club offers its loyal supporters the chance to attend next seasons games at a discount. In return they receive a much needed cash boost pre season. Everyone a winner. The earlier you pay for the ticket the cheaper it is. I hope you and you boys DONT buy a season ticket . I do hope you attend all home games on a pay as you go basis. That way the club will get even more income. The last few season has seen all clubs push season tickets as a be all and all way to watch the game.. This has been done at the expense of the more casual observer. I hope the Bulls target the floating voter and get some of the more casual fans to turn up on matchdays by promoting the home games more. We've lost the plot on this front over the last few years I feel that its reached a point now, where if you don't have a season ticket you don't turn up. Supporters are being lost when we need them most. Time for the club to introduce incentives to pay on the day fans like they did in the Peter Deakin days. bradfordbronco

7:51pm Fri 13 Dec 13

portugalbull says...

Gary Robo wrote:
TO THE BULLS MANAGEMENT .... the decision makers who need to start to take a grip of the situation.

I've read several people' comments but one which i would echo is surely that true Bulls fans want us to have a team and enjoy success. I like most have held off buying a season ticket this year. I think i speak for most when i say that you cant be expected to put money into something if it's possibly going to be defunct in the months to come. By now i would have purchased season tickets for myself and my boys costing around £600 but i've held off.... I have deferred my investment.

Earlier posters as well as the players ( we believe ) have raised deferring of part of the salaries as a possible solution. A figure of 10% was mentioned and assuming this to be correct, and is workable for the players, then we should grasp this opportunity.

I fully appreciate that deferring expense only moves it on and eases cash flow short term. Also that a concern would then be that unless incomes increase next season, the figures would still show an ALMIGHTY deficit later in the season when the deferred salaries are needing to be paid.

But what if :

a. The players contracts are revised with a clause showing a percentage of income from Challenge Cup and Super League play off games being payable to them. The more games ( ie the more success), the bigger the bonus. The club cannot be including such revenues in their budgets so a 50/50 split of the receipts between players/staff and Club for these additional receipts is surely a winner for all.

b. What happens then if we can strike this deal, is that we have unity within the club. We have players as well as staff all hungrier for success.
Don't get me wrong - we all want success and i'd not suggest money is our sole motive..... but it does seriously affect all individuals when you have a major incentive.

c. We as fans ( again i think i echo the majority ) think that the team and support staff/coaches we have assembled have the makings this year that screams success. We need these words re-iterating to the community of Bradford and surrounding areas that this is going to be a BIG season for the Bulls.

That's it. Nothing more to be said. We now need to sell this to all who have a heart in this Bulls family.

Get this deal done, get the newspapers , the players and the management and coaches singing this new way forward. See it as a positive - bonus pay for success.

We have one week to go before Christmas. Every day counts. With the right social media and website exposure we can generate excitement amongst all..... I know for sure I would not be the only person scrambling for Christmas Season ticket/Shirt combo deals. Sell it well at a OPEN NIGHT training session where fans turn up , meet the players and hear the positive feel around the place. Bang in a £10.00 off voucher through the T&A as a thank you for the loyalty....

Come on guys...... i speak passionately so do your jobs and get the passion and make things happen.

Thank you
Gary Robertson
gary@colour-ribbons.

com
Some one with a positive idea.
[quote][p][bold]Gary Robo[/bold] wrote: TO THE BULLS MANAGEMENT .... the decision makers who need to start to take a grip of the situation. I've read several people' comments but one which i would echo is surely that true Bulls fans want us to have a team and enjoy success. I like most have held off buying a season ticket this year. I think i speak for most when i say that you cant be expected to put money into something if it's possibly going to be defunct in the months to come. By now i would have purchased season tickets for myself and my boys costing around £600 but i've held off.... I have deferred my investment. Earlier posters as well as the players ( we believe ) have raised deferring of part of the salaries as a possible solution. A figure of 10% was mentioned and assuming this to be correct, and is workable for the players, then we should grasp this opportunity. I fully appreciate that deferring expense only moves it on and eases cash flow short term. Also that a concern would then be that unless incomes increase next season, the figures would still show an ALMIGHTY deficit later in the season when the deferred salaries are needing to be paid. But what if : a. The players contracts are revised with a clause showing a percentage of income from Challenge Cup and Super League play off games being payable to them. The more games ( ie the more success), the bigger the bonus. The club cannot be including such revenues in their budgets so a 50/50 split of the receipts between players/staff and Club for these additional receipts is surely a winner for all. b. What happens then if we can strike this deal, is that we have unity within the club. We have players as well as staff all hungrier for success. Don't get me wrong - we all want success and i'd not suggest money is our sole motive..... but it does seriously affect all individuals when you have a major incentive. c. We as fans ( again i think i echo the majority ) think that the team and support staff/coaches we have assembled have the makings this year that screams success. We need these words re-iterating to the community of Bradford and surrounding areas that this is going to be a BIG season for the Bulls. That's it. Nothing more to be said. We now need to sell this to all who have a heart in this Bulls family. Get this deal done, get the newspapers , the players and the management and coaches singing this new way forward. See it as a positive - bonus pay for success. We have one week to go before Christmas. Every day counts. With the right social media and website exposure we can generate excitement amongst all..... I know for sure I would not be the only person scrambling for Christmas Season ticket/Shirt combo deals. Sell it well at a OPEN NIGHT training session where fans turn up , meet the players and hear the positive feel around the place. Bang in a £10.00 off voucher through the T&A as a thank you for the loyalty.... Come on guys...... i speak passionately so do your jobs and get the passion and make things happen. Thank you Gary Robertson gary@colour-ribbons. com[/p][/quote]Some one with a positive idea. portugalbull

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