Bradford City boss Phil Parkinson in plea for full-time officials

REF JUSTICE: Phil Parkinson queries another decision during the defeat to Rotherham

REF JUSTICE: Phil Parkinson queries another decision during the defeat to Rotherham

First published in Sport Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , Bradford City Reporter

Bantams boss Phil Parkinson is calling for full-time referees in every division to cut down on the inconsistency that plagues the lower levels.

City have felt short-changed from key decisions that went against them in the last two games to leave them holding on to the final play-off spot by a single point.

Parkinson believes that making officials fully professional – as they are in the Premier League – is the only way to improve standards.

Mark Haywood enraged City with his penalty award against Michael Nelson in the midweek loss to Rotherham. The referee and his assistants had also turned up at Valley Parade with faulty microphone headsets.

That followed the Chesterfield draw when the Bantams felt they were robbed of a spot-kick by Brendan Malone after a Zavon Hines shot was handled in front of goal.

Parkinson said: “You can blame the refs and get frustrated with their decisions but they are getting a raw deal.

“You think of the vast amount of money at the top level of the game and you’re telling me we can’t make all referees full-time?

“You’ve got the embarrassment of the officials saying they couldn’t communicate because they are only supplied with one system and it was malfunctioning.

“That’s unacceptable when you’ve some players in the Premier League earning £250,000 a week. There’s a massive discrepancy with that and what’s being put in to help the referees.

“We’ve got refs who have been working all day before the game. They don’t have time to do the homework on the teams they are going to be in charge of.

“The official is also not going to have the time to maintain his fitness levels if he only refs or runs the line for one game a week.

“Improve that training and let the referees work together. They can also go out into the local Sunday leagues and help the officials there so the standard gets better across the board.”

Despite his recent outbursts, Parkinson insists he is not a serial ref-basher and has sympathy for their situation.

“I wouldn’t want our supporters to think that I don’t get on with most of the refs. I understand their frustrations.

“We’ve got 13,000 at the game on Tuesday and the revenue for us and Rotherham to get promoted is huge. But a part-time ref and linesmen are being asked to take responsibility – how can that be right?

“Even in the Championship and the money in there, it can be the same situation. The refs need help.

“It’s an issue that is talked about by managers a lot but gets brushed aside each year.

“We’ve got so many good people in this game, ex-managers like Brian Horton, Frank Clark, David Bassett and David Pleat who could sit round the table and work with the referees.

“The League Managers’ Association are doing something now to help the assessors but it’s still on a part-time basis. It’s got to change.

“Why has it not been done with all the multi-million pounds the Premier League has got? Surely some of that has got to be filtered down.

“It’s like improving players. You can’t do that unless you’ve got the resources.

“People say there’s no consistency but if once a week the refs in each area had the time to meet and discussed video incidents then you would get that. But it won’t change when they only get together every year.”

A win over Burton at Valley Parade tomorrow would rubber-stamp seventh spot if Exeter lose against Cheltenham. Given recent events, Parkinson will tell his players not to look for favours from referee Andy Woolmer.

“We can’t feel sorry for ourselves. They say that decisions even themselves up but maybe they won’t.

“It doesn’t look like it, so let’s not wait for a decision to go our way. Accept we’re going to get absolutely nothing and if we do it’s a bonus.

“Our fate is in our own hands. If you’d given us this position six weeks ago, we’d have been ecstatic.”

Rotherham’s victory edged Burton out of the third automatic spot on goal difference and Parkinson, who is likely to be without Andrew Davies, anticipates an open contest.

“Burton have secured a play-off place so they will obviously come up here to win the game. There is no point in them sitting back.

“I’ve always said that we’re at our best when the balance is right. We play some good football but we can also go in behind for the front players as well.

“I thought it was a committed performance on Tuesday but just felt there was a spell in the second half when we lacked calmness. We became frantic and we haven’t done that for a while.”

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7:44am Fri 19 Apr 13

gordon ramsay says...

Referee bashing is getting boring now.

Evans bashing is another side tracking issue. It just proves the extend he has us beat. Both on and off the field!!!

We are in division4 and just like with players, stadiums etc you get a lower standard all round. This includes officials. It's not right as such but it's life. We need to get on with it. Put our energy into getting out of this league not whining about everything else.

Conspiracy theories make us look like biased idiots.

Focus on us. What we can and should be doing and stop blaming everyone and everything else. It's pathetic.

We have done fantastic this year and it would be gut wrenching to not make the play offs.

Come on City. 2-1 Saturday.
Referee bashing is getting boring now. Evans bashing is another side tracking issue. It just proves the extend he has us beat. Both on and off the field!!! We are in division4 and just like with players, stadiums etc you get a lower standard all round. This includes officials. It's not right as such but it's life. We need to get on with it. Put our energy into getting out of this league not whining about everything else. Conspiracy theories make us look like biased idiots. Focus on us. What we can and should be doing and stop blaming everyone and everything else. It's pathetic. We have done fantastic this year and it would be gut wrenching to not make the play offs. Come on City. 2-1 Saturday. gordon ramsay
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8:17am Fri 19 Apr 13

Scholemoor Rovers says...

Its not whinging Gordon, Parky has every right to feel aggrieved. This was a top of the table clash and in my view an ex premier league official or championship standard referee should have been appointed. There's so much at stake financially for both teams. We always seem to get refs who don't want to be seen to be influenced by the home crowd, that they go so far against us its untrue.
Its not whinging Gordon, Parky has every right to feel aggrieved. This was a top of the table clash and in my view an ex premier league official or championship standard referee should have been appointed. There's so much at stake financially for both teams. We always seem to get refs who don't want to be seen to be influenced by the home crowd, that they go so far against us its untrue. Scholemoor Rovers
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8:25am Fri 19 Apr 13

Olivermac says...

I think PP has a point these part time officials are responsable for proffesionals in full time employement in fact some managers who have not had the rub of the green from some of these partime officials it has cost them there jobs, the assistant pictured with PP not only forgot his microphone he also needed to wear a corset looks like he needed to cover up for his lack of fittness unfortunatly fat does not work the brain so this would not change the decisions of the officials Rotherham result was down to the officials 2 goals dissalowed and 1 none pen so it s not ref bashing it is fact. The only issue that needs sorting is when Hanson and Wells play together up front i cant undertand why Wells seems to drift in the other direction when Hanson wins numerious balls for the knock on
I think PP has a point these part time officials are responsable for proffesionals in full time employement in fact some managers who have not had the rub of the green from some of these partime officials it has cost them there jobs, the assistant pictured with PP not only forgot his microphone he also needed to wear a corset looks like he needed to cover up for his lack of fittness unfortunatly fat does not work the brain so this would not change the decisions of the officials Rotherham result was down to the officials 2 goals dissalowed and 1 none pen so it s not ref bashing it is fact. The only issue that needs sorting is when Hanson and Wells play together up front i cant undertand why Wells seems to drift in the other direction when Hanson wins numerious balls for the knock on Olivermac
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8:56am Fri 19 Apr 13

gordon ramsay says...

My point is that once we start bleating about woe is us then we are beaten.

All we have heard this week in moaning about Evans and moaning about referres. It's comical.

There was no ref bashing when we beat Bristol Rovers. It's only ever when we lose.

We have a massive massive game tomorrow and its all a distraction. Focus on us. What we can do. Yes refs make mistakes its division 4 for gods sake !!! They are not biased. There is no conspiracy.

If we do what we can do then we will win. Lets focus on that. If we do our job we will win tomorrow and make the play offs. I would love to avoid Rotherham because they have us rattled.

Lets do our own job and everything else takes care of itself.
My point is that once we start bleating about woe is us then we are beaten. All we have heard this week in moaning about Evans and moaning about referres. It's comical. There was no ref bashing when we beat Bristol Rovers. It's only ever when we lose. We have a massive massive game tomorrow and its all a distraction. Focus on us. What we can do. Yes refs make mistakes its division 4 for gods sake !!! They are not biased. There is no conspiracy. If we do what we can do then we will win. Lets focus on that. If we do our job we will win tomorrow and make the play offs. I would love to avoid Rotherham because they have us rattled. Lets do our own job and everything else takes care of itself. gordon ramsay
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8:57am Fri 19 Apr 13

Michael Clayton says...

I have not heard anything coming out of the club in terms of conspiracies. Instead, I have seen a manager and his players bewildered by some inept refereeing.

Given the catalogue of incidents, it is not surprising that fans are questioning exactly what is going on.

I only have to refer to the last two matches:handball at Chesterfield, followed by disallowed goals and conceded penalty (home to Rotherham). Without those incidents we could be clinching automatic promotion tomorrow. What is your take?

You talk about "what we can and should be doing". Instead of saying this, why not propose some ideas?

Also, the idea of "putting energy in". That suggests a deficiency somewhere. So who, exactly do you think is not putting it in?
I have not heard anything coming out of the club in terms of conspiracies. Instead, I have seen a manager and his players bewildered by some inept refereeing. Given the catalogue of incidents, it is not surprising that fans are questioning exactly what is going on. I only have to refer to the last two matches:handball at Chesterfield, followed by disallowed goals and conceded penalty (home to Rotherham). Without those incidents we could be clinching automatic promotion tomorrow. What is your take? You talk about "what we can and should be doing". Instead of saying this, why not propose some ideas? Also, the idea of "putting energy in". That suggests a deficiency somewhere. So who, exactly do you think is not putting it in? Michael Clayton
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8:59am Fri 19 Apr 13

Michael Clayton says...

gordon ramsay wrote:
Referee bashing is getting boring now. Evans bashing is another side tracking issue. It just proves the extend he has us beat. Both on and off the field!!! We are in division4 and just like with players, stadiums etc you get a lower standard all round. This includes officials. It's not right as such but it's life. We need to get on with it. Put our energy into getting out of this league not whining about everything else. Conspiracy theories make us look like biased idiots. Focus on us. What we can and should be doing and stop blaming everyone and everything else. It's pathetic. We have done fantastic this year and it would be gut wrenching to not make the play offs. Come on City. 2-1 Saturday.
SORRY. I POSTED A MOMENT AGO WITHOUT QUOTING

I have not heard anything coming out of the club in terms of conspiracies. Instead, I have seen a manager and his players bewildered by some inept refereeing.

Given the catalogue of incidents, it is not surprising that fans are questioning exactly what is going on.

I only have to refer to the last two matches:handball at Chesterfield, followed by disallowed goals and conceded penalty (home to Rotherham). Without those incidents we could be clinching automatic promotion tomorrow. What is your take?

You talk about "what we can and should be doing". Instead of saying this, why not propose some ideas?

Also, the idea of "putting energy in". That suggests a deficiency somewhere. So who, exactly do you think is not putting it in?”
[quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: Referee bashing is getting boring now. Evans bashing is another side tracking issue. It just proves the extend he has us beat. Both on and off the field!!! We are in division4 and just like with players, stadiums etc you get a lower standard all round. This includes officials. It's not right as such but it's life. We need to get on with it. Put our energy into getting out of this league not whining about everything else. Conspiracy theories make us look like biased idiots. Focus on us. What we can and should be doing and stop blaming everyone and everything else. It's pathetic. We have done fantastic this year and it would be gut wrenching to not make the play offs. Come on City. 2-1 Saturday.[/p][/quote]SORRY. I POSTED A MOMENT AGO WITHOUT QUOTING I have not heard anything coming out of the club in terms of conspiracies. Instead, I have seen a manager and his players bewildered by some inept refereeing. Given the catalogue of incidents, it is not surprising that fans are questioning exactly what is going on. I only have to refer to the last two matches:handball at Chesterfield, followed by disallowed goals and conceded penalty (home to Rotherham). Without those incidents we could be clinching automatic promotion tomorrow. What is your take? You talk about "what we can and should be doing". Instead of saying this, why not propose some ideas? Also, the idea of "putting energy in". That suggests a deficiency somewhere. So who, exactly do you think is not putting it in?” Michael Clayton
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9:15am Fri 19 Apr 13

bantam34 says...

PARKY play Mchugh at centre half along side Mcardle - Nelson is too slow. Mchugh was fantastic in the cups and Sat is def a 'cup' game. I would also bring Doyle back in for Ravenhill, Doyle is class at this level and hasnt played much now for the last 5 or 6 games he could make the difference come on city we can do it!!!
PARKY play Mchugh at centre half along side Mcardle - Nelson is too slow. Mchugh was fantastic in the cups and Sat is def a 'cup' game. I would also bring Doyle back in for Ravenhill, Doyle is class at this level and hasnt played much now for the last 5 or 6 games he could make the difference come on city we can do it!!! bantam34
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10:01am Fri 19 Apr 13

lawsonio123 says...

Never mind Refs all that is water under the bridge gone nothing will change.Tomorrow is all that matters now City can and will beat Burton so get behind the team hype up the Din (not abuse) and see City beat Burton.
Never mind Refs all that is water under the bridge gone nothing will change.Tomorrow is all that matters now City can and will beat Burton so get behind the team hype up the Din (not abuse) and see City beat Burton. lawsonio123
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10:02am Fri 19 Apr 13

Dancinfeet says...

Give yer head a sheck! Ravenhill has been best player on the park past few games.
Give yer head a sheck! Ravenhill has been best player on the park past few games. Dancinfeet
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10:02am Fri 19 Apr 13

Michael Clayton says...

bantam34 wrote:
PARKY play Mchugh at centre half along side Mcardle - Nelson is too slow. Mchugh was fantastic in the cups and Sat is def a 'cup' game. I would also bring Doyle back in for Ravenhill, Doyle is class at this level and hasnt played much now for the last 5 or 6 games he could make the difference come on city we can do it!!!
Three weeks ago today, we were 0-2 down at half time; at least nine points behind (probably worse on a 'live' table).

The inclusion of Ravenhill has coincided with the overhaul of that huge points gap. No-one could have dreamed we would be in this position today.

One defeat and you are demanding change. The pendulum swings too quickly for some.
[quote][p][bold]bantam34[/bold] wrote: PARKY play Mchugh at centre half along side Mcardle - Nelson is too slow. Mchugh was fantastic in the cups and Sat is def a 'cup' game. I would also bring Doyle back in for Ravenhill, Doyle is class at this level and hasnt played much now for the last 5 or 6 games he could make the difference come on city we can do it!!![/p][/quote]Three weeks ago today, we were 0-2 down at half time; at least nine points behind (probably worse on a 'live' table). The inclusion of Ravenhill has coincided with the overhaul of that huge points gap. No-one could have dreamed we would be in this position today. One defeat and you are demanding change. The pendulum swings too quickly for some. Michael Clayton
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10:10am Fri 19 Apr 13

Peter300 says...

gordon ramsay wrote:
Referee bashing is getting boring now. Evans bashing is another side tracking issue. It just proves the extend he has us beat. Both on and off the field!!! We are in division4 and just like with players, stadiums etc you get a lower standard all round. This includes officials. It's not right as such but it's life. We need to get on with it. Put our energy into getting out of this league not whining about everything else. Conspiracy theories make us look like biased idiots. Focus on us. What we can and should be doing and stop blaming everyone and everything else. It's pathetic. We have done fantastic this year and it would be gut wrenching to not make the play offs. Come on City. 2-1 Saturday.
We have the Hanson Bashers (where are they at the moment?) and now the ref bashers. It's all becoming rather silly.
[quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: Referee bashing is getting boring now. Evans bashing is another side tracking issue. It just proves the extend he has us beat. Both on and off the field!!! We are in division4 and just like with players, stadiums etc you get a lower standard all round. This includes officials. It's not right as such but it's life. We need to get on with it. Put our energy into getting out of this league not whining about everything else. Conspiracy theories make us look like biased idiots. Focus on us. What we can and should be doing and stop blaming everyone and everything else. It's pathetic. We have done fantastic this year and it would be gut wrenching to not make the play offs. Come on City. 2-1 Saturday.[/p][/quote]We have the Hanson Bashers (where are they at the moment?) and now the ref bashers. It's all becoming rather silly. Peter300
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10:27am Fri 19 Apr 13

Edinburgh -bantam says...

I didn't notice the lino's lack of mikes on Tuesday just the inconsistent decision making by all 3 officials.

If the above photo is from the Rotherham match what's that in front of his mouth?
I didn't notice the lino's lack of mikes on Tuesday just the inconsistent decision making by all 3 officials. If the above photo is from the Rotherham match what's that in front of his mouth? Edinburgh -bantam
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10:33am Fri 19 Apr 13

Michael Clayton says...

Peter300 wrote:
gordon ramsay wrote: Referee bashing is getting boring now. Evans bashing is another side tracking issue. It just proves the extend he has us beat. Both on and off the field!!! We are in division4 and just like with players, stadiums etc you get a lower standard all round. This includes officials. It's not right as such but it's life. We need to get on with it. Put our energy into getting out of this league not whining about everything else. Conspiracy theories make us look like biased idiots. Focus on us. What we can and should be doing and stop blaming everyone and everything else. It's pathetic. We have done fantastic this year and it would be gut wrenching to not make the play offs. Come on City. 2-1 Saturday.
We have the Hanson Bashers (where are they at the moment?) and now the ref bashers. It's all becoming rather silly.
Whether it is silly (or not) depends on the merits of the arguments being put forward.

In terms of the officials, most supporters acknowledge that mistakes can be made. However, if (as alleged) they turned up late and ill-prepared, then we are entitled to criticise them . We are ultimately paying their wages.

Hope Hanson hits the goal-trail tomorrow. He has had a lot to put up with this season and has almost run himself to a standstill.
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: Referee bashing is getting boring now. Evans bashing is another side tracking issue. It just proves the extend he has us beat. Both on and off the field!!! We are in division4 and just like with players, stadiums etc you get a lower standard all round. This includes officials. It's not right as such but it's life. We need to get on with it. Put our energy into getting out of this league not whining about everything else. Conspiracy theories make us look like biased idiots. Focus on us. What we can and should be doing and stop blaming everyone and everything else. It's pathetic. We have done fantastic this year and it would be gut wrenching to not make the play offs. Come on City. 2-1 Saturday.[/p][/quote]We have the Hanson Bashers (where are they at the moment?) and now the ref bashers. It's all becoming rather silly.[/p][/quote]Whether it is silly (or not) depends on the merits of the arguments being put forward. In terms of the officials, most supporters acknowledge that mistakes can be made. However, if (as alleged) they turned up late and ill-prepared, then we are entitled to criticise them . We are ultimately paying their wages. Hope Hanson hits the goal-trail tomorrow. He has had a lot to put up with this season and has almost run himself to a standstill. Michael Clayton
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10:33am Fri 19 Apr 13

tyker2 says...

Peter300 wrote:
gordon ramsay wrote:
Referee bashing is getting boring now. Evans bashing is another side tracking issue. It just proves the extend he has us beat. Both on and off the field!!! We are in division4 and just like with players, stadiums etc you get a lower standard all round. This includes officials. It's not right as such but it's life. We need to get on with it. Put our energy into getting out of this league not whining about everything else. Conspiracy theories make us look like biased idiots. Focus on us. What we can and should be doing and stop blaming everyone and everything else. It's pathetic. We have done fantastic this year and it would be gut wrenching to not make the play offs. Come on City. 2-1 Saturday.
We have the Hanson Bashers (where are they at the moment?) and now the ref bashers. It's all becoming rather silly.
at last I agree with you about ref bashers Complaining in public serves no useful purpose and could ultimately be detrimental to the club with referees giving marginal decisions against us forever more.
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: Referee bashing is getting boring now. Evans bashing is another side tracking issue. It just proves the extend he has us beat. Both on and off the field!!! We are in division4 and just like with players, stadiums etc you get a lower standard all round. This includes officials. It's not right as such but it's life. We need to get on with it. Put our energy into getting out of this league not whining about everything else. Conspiracy theories make us look like biased idiots. Focus on us. What we can and should be doing and stop blaming everyone and everything else. It's pathetic. We have done fantastic this year and it would be gut wrenching to not make the play offs. Come on City. 2-1 Saturday.[/p][/quote]We have the Hanson Bashers (where are they at the moment?) and now the ref bashers. It's all becoming rather silly.[/p][/quote]at last I agree with you about ref bashers Complaining in public serves no useful purpose and could ultimately be detrimental to the club with referees giving marginal decisions against us forever more. tyker2
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10:39am Fri 19 Apr 13

pudseykid says...

Edinburgh -bantam wrote:
I didn't notice the lino's lack of mikes on Tuesday just the inconsistent decision making by all 3 officials.

If the above photo is from the Rotherham match what's that in front of his mouth?
In the 12 months i have lived outside the BD postcode area, i have notice a very poor home/away standard of Reffing...So for me, I go with PPs suggestion..its a good idea..they are inconsistent, and some games we have come away knowing that the Ref (not the opposition) has had the biggest effect on the game
[quote][p][bold]Edinburgh -bantam[/bold] wrote: I didn't notice the lino's lack of mikes on Tuesday just the inconsistent decision making by all 3 officials. If the above photo is from the Rotherham match what's that in front of his mouth?[/p][/quote]In the 12 months i have lived outside the BD postcode area, i have notice a very poor home/away standard of Reffing...So for me, I go with PPs suggestion..its a good idea..they are inconsistent, and some games we have come away knowing that the Ref (not the opposition) has had the biggest effect on the game pudseykid
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10:39am Fri 19 Apr 13

Scholemoor Rovers says...

Edinburgh -bantam wrote:
I didn't notice the lino's lack of mikes on Tuesday just the inconsistent decision making by all 3 officials.

If the above photo is from the Rotherham match what's that in front of his mouth?
Parky said the mics we're for show as they didn't work!

You couldn't make it up. Why not leave them off instead of trying to con the fans?
[quote][p][bold]Edinburgh -bantam[/bold] wrote: I didn't notice the lino's lack of mikes on Tuesday just the inconsistent decision making by all 3 officials. If the above photo is from the Rotherham match what's that in front of his mouth?[/p][/quote]Parky said the mics we're for show as they didn't work! You couldn't make it up. Why not leave them off instead of trying to con the fans? Scholemoor Rovers
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10:41am Fri 19 Apr 13

Michael Clayton says...

Edinburgh -bantam wrote:
I didn't notice the lino's lack of mikes on Tuesday just the inconsistent decision making by all 3 officials. If the above photo is from the Rotherham match what's that in front of his mouth?
It wasn't working (apparently). There was also talk of one of the linesman wearing a corset to hide his gut. Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "you're not fit to referee" and is rather indicative of how bad standards are in what is a professional arena.
[quote][p][bold]Edinburgh -bantam[/bold] wrote: I didn't notice the lino's lack of mikes on Tuesday just the inconsistent decision making by all 3 officials. If the above photo is from the Rotherham match what's that in front of his mouth?[/p][/quote]It wasn't working (apparently). There was also talk of one of the linesman wearing a corset to hide his gut. Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "you're not fit to referee" and is rather indicative of how bad standards are in what is a professional arena. Michael Clayton
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10:42am Fri 19 Apr 13

shoesmaker4 says...

lets just get the job done on the day , then we dont have to worry about enything else the job in hand is up to us now lets be honest the refs are crap. and you will always get bad ones its for the players to win on the day come on city we are at home again lets get the job done we have come so far this year
lets just get the job done on the day , then we dont have to worry about enything else the job in hand is up to us now lets be honest the refs are crap. and you will always get bad ones its for the players to win on the day come on city we are at home again lets get the job done we have come so far this year shoesmaker4
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10:56am Fri 19 Apr 13

Michael Clayton says...

shoesmaker4 wrote:
lets just get the job done on the day , then we dont have to worry about enything else the job in hand is up to us now lets be honest the refs are crap. and you will always get bad ones its for the players to win on the day come on city we are at home again lets get the job done we have come so far this year
It's rather like a workplace. If the boss (referee) is incompetent then you might not get the chance to finish the job off.
[quote][p][bold]shoesmaker4[/bold] wrote: lets just get the job done on the day , then we dont have to worry about enything else the job in hand is up to us now lets be honest the refs are crap. and you will always get bad ones its for the players to win on the day come on city we are at home again lets get the job done we have come so far this year[/p][/quote]It's rather like a workplace. If the boss (referee) is incompetent then you might not get the chance to finish the job off. Michael Clayton
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11:09am Fri 19 Apr 13

shoesmaker4 says...

has i put above carnt trust the refs that is wot i am saying we are to good not to win on are day , im rooting for the team come on city
has i put above carnt trust the refs that is wot i am saying we are to good not to win on are day , im rooting for the team come on city shoesmaker4
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11:09am Fri 19 Apr 13

webess says...

Elephant in the room that everyone's missing is corruption emanating from the Far East. Billions of pounds are gambled and match fixing has extended to Champions League games, so buying off lower league refs seem perfectly plausible.
Elephant in the room that everyone's missing is corruption emanating from the Far East. Billions of pounds are gambled and match fixing has extended to Champions League games, so buying off lower league refs seem perfectly plausible. webess
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12:24pm Fri 19 Apr 13

Michael Clayton says...

webess wrote:
Elephant in the room that everyone's missing is corruption emanating from the Far East. Billions of pounds are gambled and match fixing has extended to Champions League games, so buying off lower league refs seem perfectly plausible.
Unsubstantiated. Why single out the referee? The players could be equally involved!
[quote][p][bold]webess[/bold] wrote: Elephant in the room that everyone's missing is corruption emanating from the Far East. Billions of pounds are gambled and match fixing has extended to Champions League games, so buying off lower league refs seem perfectly plausible.[/p][/quote]Unsubstantiated. Why single out the referee? The players could be equally involved! Michael Clayton
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12:31pm Fri 19 Apr 13

belle vue says...

those are constructive comments from Parky, not sour grapes.
Having said that, he should wait until the Summer to offer serious thoughts to the FA.
Right now, all we have to do is focus completely and enjoy our football. The players shouldn't feel too tense. Just go out, give it everything and have a good time.
those are constructive comments from Parky, not sour grapes. Having said that, he should wait until the Summer to offer serious thoughts to the FA. Right now, all we have to do is focus completely and enjoy our football. The players shouldn't feel too tense. Just go out, give it everything and have a good time. belle vue
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12:50pm Fri 19 Apr 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
Edinburgh -bantam wrote:
I didn't notice the lino's lack of mikes on Tuesday just the inconsistent decision making by all 3 officials. If the above photo is from the Rotherham match what's that in front of his mouth?
It wasn't working (apparently). There was also talk of one of the linesman wearing a corset to hide his gut. Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "you're not fit to referee" and is rather indicative of how bad standards are in what is a professional arena.
They also turned up late, this from a Yorkshire based ref and were late with the team sheets. Every single fault that occurred on Tuesday was avoidable, if they had been on time there may have been enough room for manouevre to bring in a couple more mics, Maplins is open till late. Haha.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Edinburgh -bantam[/bold] wrote: I didn't notice the lino's lack of mikes on Tuesday just the inconsistent decision making by all 3 officials. If the above photo is from the Rotherham match what's that in front of his mouth?[/p][/quote]It wasn't working (apparently). There was also talk of one of the linesman wearing a corset to hide his gut. Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "you're not fit to referee" and is rather indicative of how bad standards are in what is a professional arena.[/p][/quote]They also turned up late, this from a Yorkshire based ref and were late with the team sheets. Every single fault that occurred on Tuesday was avoidable, if they had been on time there may have been enough room for manouevre to bring in a couple more mics, Maplins is open till late. Haha. Prisoner Cell Block A
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12:52pm Fri 19 Apr 13

al&co says...

If we take the field on Saturday with anything other than putting in everything we've got our chances of winning will be diminished.

We have the talent but we need the mindset to focus on nothing else but winning the game and I believe that if we play to our potential we will win.

If the officials have a bad game, I will share the obvious frustrations but we have to rise above any distractions and get the job done.

Saturday will show just where we are as a team both mentally and in our ability to perform under pressure. It is entirely in our own hands.

It will be tough for the players and all of us who are there in the belief and hope that we will triumph.

Cometh the hour........
If we take the field on Saturday with anything other than putting in everything we've got our chances of winning will be diminished. We have the talent but we need the mindset to focus on nothing else but winning the game and I believe that if we play to our potential we will win. If the officials have a bad game, I will share the obvious frustrations but we have to rise above any distractions and get the job done. Saturday will show just where we are as a team both mentally and in our ability to perform under pressure. It is entirely in our own hands. It will be tough for the players and all of us who are there in the belief and hope that we will triumph. Cometh the hour........ al&co
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1:00pm Fri 19 Apr 13

_Size3_ says...

I brought a mate of mine who is a supporter of a nearby higher-league team and definitely is not a City fan if you gets me....

He was flabbergasted by the standard of refereeing we have to put up with - he previous thought I was a typical fan moaning about the ref because a result didn't go our way and now he accepts that the standard just isn't good enough.

If the players are full-time, then the officials should be too.

Also, Gordon - I'm not sure if you even read the article, because it isn't ref-bashing...he states on many occasions that he feels it's not their fault that they aren't good enough - having to have a normal job and then a match on the weekend, of course they aren't going to be as sharp as those who's job it is to referee.
I brought a mate of mine who is a supporter of a nearby higher-league team and definitely is not a City fan if you gets me.... He was flabbergasted by the standard of refereeing we have to put up with - he previous thought I was a typical fan moaning about the ref because a result didn't go our way and now he accepts that the standard just isn't good enough. If the players are full-time, then the officials should be too. Also, Gordon - I'm not sure if you even read the article, because it isn't ref-bashing...he states on many occasions that he feels it's not their fault that they aren't good enough - having to have a normal job and then a match on the weekend, of course they aren't going to be as sharp as those who's job it is to referee. _Size3_
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1:19pm Fri 19 Apr 13

bettyswollocks says...

One of the worst refs I've seen officiate one of our matches since we dropped into L2 was Lee Probert. At the time and still a full time Premier League ref.

So the agument doesn't always follow. Although the best was Howard Webb this season.
One of the worst refs I've seen officiate one of our matches since we dropped into L2 was Lee Probert. At the time and still a full time Premier League ref. So the agument doesn't always follow. Although the best was Howard Webb this season. bettyswollocks
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2:14pm Fri 19 Apr 13

Bantam76 says...

At the end of the game, the game should be about the players and not the referee.

I tried reffing the odd couple of times to help out, and totally appreciate how difficult it is, but PP is right, with a bit of money filtering down, certainly the equipment used should be better, but why not have the fourth official with access to the game on a screen for key decisions? It surely can't be that expensive to implement??
At the end of the game, the game should be about the players and not the referee. I tried reffing the odd couple of times to help out, and totally appreciate how difficult it is, but PP is right, with a bit of money filtering down, certainly the equipment used should be better, but why not have the fourth official with access to the game on a screen for key decisions? It surely can't be that expensive to implement?? Bantam76
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2:59pm Fri 19 Apr 13

Cityman23 says...

'PP' says 'You think of the money in the Premier league ...etc' to justify having full time officials in the FL. (when the Pre. Lge has them)

But that's surely the point. When the 'old' First Divsion became the Prem Lge it opened up a 'gulf' that has only widened over time between the top tier and the rest in 'many' aspects.

'The greed is good' Lge wants MORE money for its members, but doesn't eally want to share much of it elsewhere and the game itself is dealt with DIFFERENTLY.

The Prem. Lge has full time officials and shortly 'Hawkeye' is to be installed to make the game in the top tier 'different' again from the rest of the football 'pyramid'.

In short-Yes, full time officials WOULD be preferable to part time ones. But..at the moment that looks as unlikely as the Prem Lge coming to Lge Two and saying, "We're sorry so many of your teams are in deep financial trouble...please let us lob a few £million your way!!!'
'PP' says 'You think of the money in the Premier league ...etc' to justify having full time officials in the FL. (when the Pre. Lge has them) But that's surely the point. When the 'old' First Divsion became the Prem Lge it opened up a 'gulf' that has only widened over time between the top tier and the rest in 'many' aspects. 'The greed is good' Lge wants MORE money for its members, but doesn't eally want to share much of it elsewhere and the game itself is dealt with DIFFERENTLY. The Prem. Lge has full time officials and shortly 'Hawkeye' is to be installed to make the game in the top tier 'different' again from the rest of the football 'pyramid'. In short-Yes, full time officials WOULD be preferable to part time ones. But..at the moment that looks as unlikely as the Prem Lge coming to Lge Two and saying, "We're sorry so many of your teams are in deep financial trouble...please let us lob a few £million your way!!!' Cityman23
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3:53pm Fri 19 Apr 13

bobbyo says...

Im with PP on this one, his sentiments are sensible. The refereeing standards in the lower leagues are abysmal, people pay good money to watch a game, not garbage ref decisions, the gulf in ref standards as opposed to the brilliant ref we had at the cup final is immense ! These poor refs need bringing up to standard, they cost people their livelyhoods.
Im with PP on this one, his sentiments are sensible. The refereeing standards in the lower leagues are abysmal, people pay good money to watch a game, not garbage ref decisions, the gulf in ref standards as opposed to the brilliant ref we had at the cup final is immense ! These poor refs need bringing up to standard, they cost people their livelyhoods. bobbyo
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5:22pm Fri 19 Apr 13

gordon ramsay says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
gordon ramsay wrote:
Referee bashing is getting boring now. Evans bashing is another side tracking issue. It just proves the extend he has us beat. Both on and off the field!!! We are in division4 and just like with players, stadiums etc you get a lower standard all round. This includes officials. It's not right as such but it's life. We need to get on with it. Put our energy into getting out of this league not whining about everything else. Conspiracy theories make us look like biased idiots. Focus on us. What we can and should be doing and stop blaming everyone and everything else. It's pathetic. We have done fantastic this year and it would be gut wrenching to not make the play offs. Come on City. 2-1 Saturday.
SORRY. I POSTED A MOMENT AGO WITHOUT QUOTING

I have not heard anything coming out of the club in terms of conspiracies. Instead, I have seen a manager and his players bewildered by some inept refereeing.

Given the catalogue of incidents, it is not surprising that fans are questioning exactly what is going on.

I only have to refer to the last two matches:handball at Chesterfield, followed by disallowed goals and conceded penalty (home to Rotherham). Without those incidents we could be clinching automatic promotion tomorrow. What is your take?

You talk about "what we can and should be doing". Instead of saying this, why not propose some ideas?

Also, the idea of "putting energy in". That suggests a deficiency somewhere. So who, exactly do you think is not putting it in?”
my point is that as a club and group of supporters we are wasting time and energy focusing on things that have happened and we cannot change.

being obsessed with evans just plays into their hands. bleating like little kids about hows the refs have it in for us is a pointless distraction.

forget these distractions. moaning and blaming everyone and everything else is the pursuit of losers. it means we have taken our eyes off the prize. for me thats very dangerous. out focus should be tomorrows game, 3 points and nothing else. thats what i am proposing!!! less squawking like spoilt brats and looking to the past.

do our own business on the field and nothing else matters.

focus on what we can do and how we can control our own destiny!!

good luck for tomorrow. feeling positive
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: Referee bashing is getting boring now. Evans bashing is another side tracking issue. It just proves the extend he has us beat. Both on and off the field!!! We are in division4 and just like with players, stadiums etc you get a lower standard all round. This includes officials. It's not right as such but it's life. We need to get on with it. Put our energy into getting out of this league not whining about everything else. Conspiracy theories make us look like biased idiots. Focus on us. What we can and should be doing and stop blaming everyone and everything else. It's pathetic. We have done fantastic this year and it would be gut wrenching to not make the play offs. Come on City. 2-1 Saturday.[/p][/quote]SORRY. I POSTED A MOMENT AGO WITHOUT QUOTING I have not heard anything coming out of the club in terms of conspiracies. Instead, I have seen a manager and his players bewildered by some inept refereeing. Given the catalogue of incidents, it is not surprising that fans are questioning exactly what is going on. I only have to refer to the last two matches:handball at Chesterfield, followed by disallowed goals and conceded penalty (home to Rotherham). Without those incidents we could be clinching automatic promotion tomorrow. What is your take? You talk about "what we can and should be doing". Instead of saying this, why not propose some ideas? Also, the idea of "putting energy in". That suggests a deficiency somewhere. So who, exactly do you think is not putting it in?”[/p][/quote]my point is that as a club and group of supporters we are wasting time and energy focusing on things that have happened and we cannot change. being obsessed with evans just plays into their hands. bleating like little kids about hows the refs have it in for us is a pointless distraction. forget these distractions. moaning and blaming everyone and everything else is the pursuit of losers. it means we have taken our eyes off the prize. for me thats very dangerous. out focus should be tomorrows game, 3 points and nothing else. thats what i am proposing!!! less squawking like spoilt brats and looking to the past. do our own business on the field and nothing else matters. focus on what we can do and how we can control our own destiny!! good luck for tomorrow. feeling positive gordon ramsay
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5:22pm Fri 19 Apr 13

Bantam sthn Ellatha says...

The officials mics were not working??
Couldn't every club then have a set that IS working - simply as a back-up?
Hell, they can't be that expensive.
The officials mics were not working?? Couldn't every club then have a set that IS working - simply as a back-up? Hell, they can't be that expensive. Bantam sthn Ellatha
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5:50pm Fri 19 Apr 13

Bradford1903 says...

I'm surprised more hasn't been made of the Thompson disallowed goal, as courtesy of the pause button, it could've easily been interpreted that he was level, and thus onside.

There have been numerous decisions that have gone against us, but I'm thinking of two in particular of relevance, one of them which should be another source of motivation tomorrow, which was the Burton player feigning injury to get Ravenhill sent off, in the corresponding fixture.

I know a lot of water has gone under the bridge since then, but I'm also thinking of the home game against Exeter where Wells was taken out by the defender after he misjudged a through ball. It should've been a penalty and a red card as he was the last man, and consequently we would've got at least a point from that game, which would mean we'd be another 3 points ahead of Exeter.

It's important though not to feel sorry for ourselves and someone like Mourinho would use these incidents to develop a seige mentality within his teams.

If we play like we can do I'm confident we will beat Burton who have got a poor away record.
I'm surprised more hasn't been made of the Thompson disallowed goal, as courtesy of the pause button, it could've easily been interpreted that he was level, and thus onside. There have been numerous decisions that have gone against us, but I'm thinking of two in particular of relevance, one of them which should be another source of motivation tomorrow, which was the Burton player feigning injury to get Ravenhill sent off, in the corresponding fixture. I know a lot of water has gone under the bridge since then, but I'm also thinking of the home game against Exeter where Wells was taken out by the defender after he misjudged a through ball. It should've been a penalty and a red card as he was the last man, and consequently we would've got at least a point from that game, which would mean we'd be another 3 points ahead of Exeter. It's important though not to feel sorry for ourselves and someone like Mourinho would use these incidents to develop a seige mentality within his teams. If we play like we can do I'm confident we will beat Burton who have got a poor away record. Bradford1903
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10:54am Sat 20 Apr 13

bcfc1903 says...

If we play as we can, we'll get three points today....but i'm with many on this and other threads, BCFC over the last few seasons have had some absolute shocking officials and decisions given against them and i'm pretty certain they haven't come close to evening up over this or other seasons. Let's hope we get an even handed official today. CTID
If we play as we can, we'll get three points today....but i'm with many on this and other threads, BCFC over the last few seasons have had some absolute shocking officials and decisions given against them and i'm pretty certain they haven't come close to evening up over this or other seasons. Let's hope we get an even handed official today. CTID bcfc1903
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