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Bradford City: Parkinson must find answer to keeper conundrum

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: City trialist Angelo Balanta  evades a tackle in the 3-0 win over Guiseley City trialist Angelo Balanta evades a tackle in the 3-0 win over Guiseley

PHIL Parkinson hopes to resolve the Jon McLaughlin situation during City’s stay in Ireland.

The long-serving keeper flew out yesterday with the squad, who will take part in the first training session this morning at their base just outside Dublin.

McLaughlin played the second half of Saturday’s opening friendly at Guiseley but is still no nearer to finding out if he will be part of the club’s plans for the new season.

Former Tottenham and Sunderland stopper Ben Alnwick was between the posts up to half-time, one of five trialists City used in a comfortable 3-0 win.

Parkinson admitted the keeper conundrum needs to be sorted quickly so that everyone knows where they stand.

He said: “Jon’s come to Ireland with us. Ben also did well and we’ll probably have a discussion about that among the staff.

“The budget is very tight and I’ve got to get the best goalkeeper for the best price.

“Jon had an offer and he didn’t take that in the summer. We’ll sit down with him this week and have a chat.

“Jon’s fine about it. He’s a very good professional and he’s training hard.

“We’ve got to make sure that department’s strong. It would be foolish for us to sign some good attacking footballers and talented players, which I think we have, and neglect what is a very important position of any team – the goalkeeper.”

One-time QPR frontman Angelo Balanta and right back Nick Arnold are with the team in Ireland. Centre back Richard Bryan, whose first-half display impressed Parkinson, and ex-Derby striker Callum Ball could join them later in the week.

Parkinson feels that Colombian-born Balanta has a point to prove after drifting out of the picture following a successful stint with MK Dons.

He added: “Angelo knows that he’s rebuilding himself to an extent. He’s probably let himself go physically and he’s got a lot of work to do to get back.

“But he’s a very good player, a talented footballer and we’ll just see.

“In my eyes, we still need three or four players to get close to where we were last year. As we’ve said all summer, we’ll probably go for at least two, maybe three long-term loans.

“That’s what we’re working on but that takes time.”

All three City goals at Nethermoor came in the first half. Rookie Lewis Clarkson scored twice and Matty Dolan added a free-kick.

It was also a first glimpse of the shift in approach from the Bantams without wingers. Balanta and then Mark Yeates played behind the front two in a midfield diamond.

Parkinson said: “We’ve got some good technical players in the team and I think the supporters saw that. It will evolve during pre-season.

“Billy Knott and Billy Clarke are the type of players where you need to get the ball into them as often as you can. They are both very creative and I think they are going to be good signings for us.

“The lads have settled in well. It’s important that we bed them in quickly and the trip to Ireland will help that again.”

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7:47am Mon 14 Jul 14

OLDLAD says...

Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel.
Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel. OLDLAD
  • Score: 11

8:04am Mon 14 Jul 14

Nickloza says...

OLDLAD wrote:
Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel.
Totally agree, he should have signed or gone by now, it's unfair on the club to drag it out like this.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, he should have signed or gone by now, it's unfair on the club to drag it out like this. Nickloza
  • Score: 9

8:06am Mon 14 Jul 14

jakerushy says...

OLDLAD wrote:
Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel.
You must be struggling with your old age fella.

Try reading the article again, Jon doesn't have anything to sign at the moment.

The offer he was offered was presumably a lot lower, he refused and it shows how much Parkinson still likes him to take him to Ireland. Probably weighing up if he can get anyone else better for the same wages.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel.[/p][/quote]You must be struggling with your old age fella. Try reading the article again, Jon doesn't have anything to sign at the moment. The offer he was offered was presumably a lot lower, he refused and it shows how much Parkinson still likes him to take him to Ireland. Probably weighing up if he can get anyone else better for the same wages. jakerushy
  • Score: 12

8:21am Mon 14 Jul 14

OLDLAD says...

jakerushy wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel.
You must be struggling with your old age fella.

Try reading the article again, Jon doesn't have anything to sign at the moment.

The offer he was offered was presumably a lot lower, he refused and it shows how much Parkinson still likes him to take him to Ireland. Probably weighing up if he can get anyone else better for the same wages.
May be lower but still a good income. Play for the shirt not the money.
[quote][p][bold]jakerushy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel.[/p][/quote]You must be struggling with your old age fella. Try reading the article again, Jon doesn't have anything to sign at the moment. The offer he was offered was presumably a lot lower, he refused and it shows how much Parkinson still likes him to take him to Ireland. Probably weighing up if he can get anyone else better for the same wages.[/p][/quote]May be lower but still a good income. Play for the shirt not the money. OLDLAD
  • Score: -14

8:22am Mon 14 Jul 14

OLD BANTAM says...

Ask yourself would you do the same job that you have done for the last two years for LESS wages than you have been getting .come on city sort it out. Pay peanuts get monkeys.
Ask yourself would you do the same job that you have done for the last two years for LESS wages than you have been getting .come on city sort it out. Pay peanuts get monkeys. OLD BANTAM
  • Score: 14

8:28am Mon 14 Jul 14

Hoggy64 says...

Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work. Hoggy64
  • Score: 14

8:53am Mon 14 Jul 14

citygent7 says...

Hoggy64 wrote:
Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
[quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid. citygent7
  • Score: -6

9:10am Mon 14 Jul 14

tyker2 says...

why all the worry about one keeper and hs contract offers etc?
and let them decide which payers they need for this seasonLet the club decide
why all the worry about one keeper and hs contract offers etc? and let them decide which payers they need for this seasonLet the club decide tyker2
  • Score: 0

9:13am Mon 14 Jul 14

Willie Eckerslyke says...

OLD BANTAM wrote:
Ask yourself would you do the same job that you have done for the last two years for LESS wages than you have been getting .come on city sort it out. Pay peanuts get monkeys.
Where does it say he's been offered less money?

But in answer to your question he has the option of accepting the club's offer or turning it down. If there are other employers offering better terms then undoubtedly he should move on.

Considering he has been training with the club since the start of pre season suggests he is not wanted anywhere else on improved terms so yes he should accept "less wages", if that is the case, if he wants to continue being a professional footballer at league one level.

Would that then suddenly make him a monkey? I doubt it somehow.
[quote][p][bold]OLD BANTAM[/bold] wrote: Ask yourself would you do the same job that you have done for the last two years for LESS wages than you have been getting .come on city sort it out. Pay peanuts get monkeys.[/p][/quote]Where does it say he's been offered less money? But in answer to your question he has the option of accepting the club's offer or turning it down. If there are other employers offering better terms then undoubtedly he should move on. Considering he has been training with the club since the start of pre season suggests he is not wanted anywhere else on improved terms so yes he should accept "less wages", if that is the case, if he wants to continue being a professional footballer at league one level. Would that then suddenly make him a monkey? I doubt it somehow. Willie Eckerslyke
  • Score: 2

9:42am Mon 14 Jul 14

allannicho says...

A players career is so short that it is important that
the player makes the correct choice in what team
and contract he chooses.
A players career is so short that it is important that the player makes the correct choice in what team and contract he chooses. allannicho
  • Score: 4

10:06am Mon 14 Jul 14

Peter300 says...

OLDLAD wrote:
Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel.
I'm sure his team mates will cope.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel.[/p][/quote]I'm sure his team mates will cope. Peter300
  • Score: 2

10:07am Mon 14 Jul 14

Peter300 says...

Nickloza wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel.
Totally agree, he should have signed or gone by now, it's unfair on the club to drag it out like this.
What about the player?
[quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, he should have signed or gone by now, it's unfair on the club to drag it out like this.[/p][/quote]What about the player? Peter300
  • Score: -2

10:09am Mon 14 Jul 14

Peter300 says...

OLDLAD wrote:
jakerushy wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel.
You must be struggling with your old age fella.

Try reading the article again, Jon doesn't have anything to sign at the moment.

The offer he was offered was presumably a lot lower, he refused and it shows how much Parkinson still likes him to take him to Ireland. Probably weighing up if he can get anyone else better for the same wages.
May be lower but still a good income. Play for the shirt not the money.
And this is true right through the squad? Can can assure you it isn't!
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jakerushy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel.[/p][/quote]You must be struggling with your old age fella. Try reading the article again, Jon doesn't have anything to sign at the moment. The offer he was offered was presumably a lot lower, he refused and it shows how much Parkinson still likes him to take him to Ireland. Probably weighing up if he can get anyone else better for the same wages.[/p][/quote]May be lower but still a good income. Play for the shirt not the money.[/p][/quote]And this is true right through the squad? Can can assure you it isn't! Peter300
  • Score: -3

10:11am Mon 14 Jul 14

Peter300 says...

citygent7 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote:
Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.
[quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid.[/p][/quote]No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication. Peter300
  • Score: -2

10:26am Mon 14 Jul 14

bantam85 says...

Gotta love Peter300. He comes on here between 10-11 every morning, rips into everyones posts and then disappears until the same time the next day. Definitely my favourite troll.
Gotta love Peter300. He comes on here between 10-11 every morning, rips into everyones posts and then disappears until the same time the next day. Definitely my favourite troll. bantam85
  • Score: 12

10:32am Mon 14 Jul 14

Nickloza says...

Peter300 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel.
Totally agree, he should have signed or gone by now, it's unfair on the club to drag it out like this.
What about the player?
The player has had far too long
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Three weeks to go and he is still stalling. Tell him sign or go, not good for the team to have a rebel.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, he should have signed or gone by now, it's unfair on the club to drag it out like this.[/p][/quote]What about the player?[/p][/quote]The player has had far too long Nickloza
  • Score: 3

10:35am Mon 14 Jul 14

Nickloza says...

Peter300 wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote:
Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.
I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid.[/p][/quote]No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.[/p][/quote]I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent" Nickloza
  • Score: 4

11:40am Mon 14 Jul 14

Statler4 says...

Nickloza wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote:
Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.
I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"
The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper
[quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid.[/p][/quote]No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.[/p][/quote]I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"[/p][/quote]The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper Statler4
  • Score: -6

11:55am Mon 14 Jul 14

Michael Clayton says...

Statler4 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.
I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"
The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper
The perception is that he owes something and ought to be grateful. This, I believe, is partly what due to his route in to football and the time it has taken him to hold down the number one spot.

Opinions as to his ability are irrelevant.

The crux is that he is doing a job of work and anyone in his situation will try to get the best deal they can. This maxim can be applied to any employee working for an organisation; whether it be a professional sports club or in any other type of industry.

If people do not understand this, then more fool them.
[quote][p][bold]Statler4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid.[/p][/quote]No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.[/p][/quote]I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"[/p][/quote]The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper[/p][/quote]The perception is that he owes something and ought to be grateful. This, I believe, is partly what due to his route in to football and the time it has taken him to hold down the number one spot. Opinions as to his ability are irrelevant. The crux is that he is doing a job of work and anyone in his situation will try to get the best deal they can. This maxim can be applied to any employee working for an organisation; whether it be a professional sports club or in any other type of industry. If people do not understand this, then more fool them. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 1

12:06pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Statler4 says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
Statler4 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.
I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"
The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper
The perception is that he owes something and ought to be grateful. This, I believe, is partly what due to his route in to football and the time it has taken him to hold down the number one spot.

Opinions as to his ability are irrelevant.

The crux is that he is doing a job of work and anyone in his situation will try to get the best deal they can. This maxim can be applied to any employee working for an organisation; whether it be a professional sports club or in any other type of industry.

If people do not understand this, then more fool them.
Absolutely right MC.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Statler4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid.[/p][/quote]No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.[/p][/quote]I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"[/p][/quote]The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper[/p][/quote]The perception is that he owes something and ought to be grateful. This, I believe, is partly what due to his route in to football and the time it has taken him to hold down the number one spot. Opinions as to his ability are irrelevant. The crux is that he is doing a job of work and anyone in his situation will try to get the best deal they can. This maxim can be applied to any employee working for an organisation; whether it be a professional sports club or in any other type of industry. If people do not understand this, then more fool them.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right MC. Statler4
  • Score: -7

12:08pm Mon 14 Jul 14

northyorksbantam says...

Statler4 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.
I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"
The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper
Liverpool and Barca have negotiated and agreed a 75m transfer well within time time city and Jon mac have been dithering. Even the notoriously slow arsenal have signed up Sanchez. But yet here we are still talking, he must be better than brilliant for such protracted negotiations!
[quote][p][bold]Statler4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid.[/p][/quote]No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.[/p][/quote]I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"[/p][/quote]The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper[/p][/quote]Liverpool and Barca have negotiated and agreed a 75m transfer well within time time city and Jon mac have been dithering. Even the notoriously slow arsenal have signed up Sanchez. But yet here we are still talking, he must be better than brilliant for such protracted negotiations! northyorksbantam
  • Score: 7

12:23pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Michael Clayton says...

northyorksbantam wrote:
Statler4 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.
I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"
The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper
Liverpool and Barca have negotiated and agreed a 75m transfer well within time time city and Jon mac have been dithering. Even the notoriously slow arsenal have signed up Sanchez. But yet here we are still talking, he must be better than brilliant for such protracted negotiations!
It is a mind's-eye crisis situation that does not actually exist.

Panic merchants having a field day.
[quote][p][bold]northyorksbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Statler4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid.[/p][/quote]No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.[/p][/quote]I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"[/p][/quote]The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper[/p][/quote]Liverpool and Barca have negotiated and agreed a 75m transfer well within time time city and Jon mac have been dithering. Even the notoriously slow arsenal have signed up Sanchez. But yet here we are still talking, he must be better than brilliant for such protracted negotiations![/p][/quote]It is a mind's-eye crisis situation that does not actually exist. Panic merchants having a field day. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -2

12:33pm Mon 14 Jul 14

bcfc mad85 says...

It's about time he decided on what he wants to do its really taking the biscuit Alnwick looks good sign him up our gain barnsleys loss
It's about time he decided on what he wants to do its really taking the biscuit Alnwick looks good sign him up our gain barnsleys loss bcfc mad85
  • Score: 3

12:54pm Mon 14 Jul 14

#toerag43479 says...

Nickloza wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote:
Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.
I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"
Agreed. The keeper situation definitely needs sorting as this is the most important position on the pitch- goalies don't wear no 1 for nothing and Germany wouldn't have won the World Cup without Neuer. My heart wants Johnny Mac to stay, but my head stays no. Watching him last season I always felt there's at least one rick in him per game and he played better season before last cos of Dukey. I miss Dukey more than I would miss Johnny if he goes as I bonded with Dukey due to the Wigan away fixture. Also I think the defenders in front of John we're more responsible for the number of fewer goals conceded last season. So overall and very reluctantly I think the board are wrong to drag this out this long and should sign a new no 1 asap
[quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid.[/p][/quote]No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.[/p][/quote]I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"[/p][/quote]Agreed. The keeper situation definitely needs sorting as this is the most important position on the pitch- goalies don't wear no 1 for nothing and Germany wouldn't have won the World Cup without Neuer. My heart wants Johnny Mac to stay, but my head stays no. Watching him last season I always felt there's at least one rick in him per game and he played better season before last cos of Dukey. I miss Dukey more than I would miss Johnny if he goes as I bonded with Dukey due to the Wigan away fixture. Also I think the defenders in front of John we're more responsible for the number of fewer goals conceded last season. So overall and very reluctantly I think the board are wrong to drag this out this long and should sign a new no 1 asap #toerag43479
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1:14pm Mon 14 Jul 14

northyorksbantam says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
northyorksbantam wrote:
Statler4 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.
I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"
The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper
Liverpool and Barca have negotiated and agreed a 75m transfer well within time time city and Jon mac have been dithering. Even the notoriously slow arsenal have signed up Sanchez. But yet here we are still talking, he must be better than brilliant for such protracted negotiations!
It is a mind's-eye crisis situation that does not actually exist. Panic merchants having a field day.
There's no need for panic or a crisis, however dragging this situation out is not for the benefit of the club, the player or the squad. I think the situation should have been sorted out with Jon Mac at least, by the 1st friendly and trip to Ireland, then Parky has chance to look and think about other options. It's an important position as he has said.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northyorksbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Statler4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid.[/p][/quote]No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.[/p][/quote]I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"[/p][/quote]The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper[/p][/quote]Liverpool and Barca have negotiated and agreed a 75m transfer well within time time city and Jon mac have been dithering. Even the notoriously slow arsenal have signed up Sanchez. But yet here we are still talking, he must be better than brilliant for such protracted negotiations![/p][/quote]It is a mind's-eye crisis situation that does not actually exist. Panic merchants having a field day.[/p][/quote]There's no need for panic or a crisis, however dragging this situation out is not for the benefit of the club, the player or the squad. I think the situation should have been sorted out with Jon Mac at least, by the 1st friendly and trip to Ireland, then Parky has chance to look and think about other options. It's an important position as he has said. northyorksbantam
  • Score: 3

1:32pm Mon 14 Jul 14

tyker2 says...

bantam85 wrote:
Gotta love Peter300. He comes on here between 10-11 every morning, rips into everyones posts and then disappears until the same time the next day. Definitely my favourite troll.
it is because he uses the library compute and he can only afford a one hour slot!
[quote][p][bold]bantam85[/bold] wrote: Gotta love Peter300. He comes on here between 10-11 every morning, rips into everyones posts and then disappears until the same time the next day. Definitely my favourite troll.[/p][/quote]it is because he uses the library compute and he can only afford a one hour slot! tyker2
  • Score: -1

1:37pm Mon 14 Jul 14

BCFC 95 says...

Give him a week, see how it goes in Ireland and if Jon Mac still hasn't made a decision then release him its not rocket science, Alnwick looked a descent keeper and replacement anyway.
Give him a week, see how it goes in Ireland and if Jon Mac still hasn't made a decision then release him its not rocket science, Alnwick looked a descent keeper and replacement anyway. BCFC 95
  • Score: 3

1:39pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Michael Clayton says...

northyorksbantam wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
northyorksbantam wrote:
Statler4 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.
I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"
The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper
Liverpool and Barca have negotiated and agreed a 75m transfer well within time time city and Jon mac have been dithering. Even the notoriously slow arsenal have signed up Sanchez. But yet here we are still talking, he must be better than brilliant for such protracted negotiations!
It is a mind's-eye crisis situation that does not actually exist. Panic merchants having a field day.
There's no need for panic or a crisis, however dragging this situation out is not for the benefit of the club, the player or the squad. I think the situation should have been sorted out with Jon Mac at least, by the 1st friendly and trip to Ireland, then Parky has chance to look and think about other options. It's an important position as he has said.
You state that the situation is not for the benefit of those involved. That is your opinion. Without knowing precisely what is happening, it is impossible to agree or disagree.

I would guess (and this is my opinion) that the contracted players will not be spending that much time thinking over the goal-keeping situation as they will be too busy preparing for the forthcoming season.

Players are subject to short-term contracts and I doubt that too many of them will be batting an eyelid.

Panic or crisis? All I can add is that people are concerned enough to comment. That tells me something.
[quote][p][bold]northyorksbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northyorksbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Statler4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid.[/p][/quote]No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.[/p][/quote]I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"[/p][/quote]The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper[/p][/quote]Liverpool and Barca have negotiated and agreed a 75m transfer well within time time city and Jon mac have been dithering. Even the notoriously slow arsenal have signed up Sanchez. But yet here we are still talking, he must be better than brilliant for such protracted negotiations![/p][/quote]It is a mind's-eye crisis situation that does not actually exist. Panic merchants having a field day.[/p][/quote]There's no need for panic or a crisis, however dragging this situation out is not for the benefit of the club, the player or the squad. I think the situation should have been sorted out with Jon Mac at least, by the 1st friendly and trip to Ireland, then Parky has chance to look and think about other options. It's an important position as he has said.[/p][/quote]You state that the situation is not for the benefit of those involved. That is your opinion. Without knowing precisely what is happening, it is impossible to agree or disagree. I would guess (and this is my opinion) that the contracted players will not be spending that much time thinking over the goal-keeping situation as they will be too busy preparing for the forthcoming season. Players are subject to short-term contracts and I doubt that too many of them will be batting an eyelid. Panic or crisis? All I can add is that people are concerned enough to comment. That tells me something. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -10

1:53pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Statler4 says...

#toerag43479 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote:
Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.
I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"
Agreed. The keeper situation definitely needs sorting as this is the most important position on the pitch- goalies don't wear no 1 for nothing and Germany wouldn't have won the World Cup without Neuer. My heart wants Johnny Mac to stay, but my head stays no. Watching him last season I always felt there's at least one rick in him per game and he played better season before last cos of Dukey. I miss Dukey more than I would miss Johnny if he goes as I bonded with Dukey due to the Wigan away fixture. Also I think the defenders in front of John we're more responsible for the number of fewer goals conceded last season. So overall and very reluctantly I think the board are wrong to drag this out this long and should sign a new no 1 asap
He was playing at a lower level the season before last. Last season was his first in a division at a much higher level and he had to adapt to a much faster pace. There was also a prolonged period where the left side was wholly inadequate. Duke signed for Northampton in League Two and was throwing them in at that level last season. Phil Parkinson and Steve Parkin played in front of a variety of professional keepers in their careers and both have observed a variety as mangers. Lee Butler was a professional goalkeeper. They know a good one from a bad one.
[quote][p][bold]#toerag43479[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid.[/p][/quote]No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.[/p][/quote]I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"[/p][/quote]Agreed. The keeper situation definitely needs sorting as this is the most important position on the pitch- goalies don't wear no 1 for nothing and Germany wouldn't have won the World Cup without Neuer. My heart wants Johnny Mac to stay, but my head stays no. Watching him last season I always felt there's at least one rick in him per game and he played better season before last cos of Dukey. I miss Dukey more than I would miss Johnny if he goes as I bonded with Dukey due to the Wigan away fixture. Also I think the defenders in front of John we're more responsible for the number of fewer goals conceded last season. So overall and very reluctantly I think the board are wrong to drag this out this long and should sign a new no 1 asap[/p][/quote]He was playing at a lower level the season before last. Last season was his first in a division at a much higher level and he had to adapt to a much faster pace. There was also a prolonged period where the left side was wholly inadequate. Duke signed for Northampton in League Two and was throwing them in at that level last season. Phil Parkinson and Steve Parkin played in front of a variety of professional keepers in their careers and both have observed a variety as mangers. Lee Butler was a professional goalkeeper. They know a good one from a bad one. Statler4
  • Score: 0

1:57pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Olivermac says...

Nickloza wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote:
Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.
I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"
Yes I also think excellent is the wrong description of JMc from his performances last year he is just an average div 2 goalkeeper that's probably why he has not got a better deal this year last year he had no competition for his spot hopefully this year we may have some competition and he may well improve to div 1 standards that in turn creates an increase in a better deal on the table come next year, it may well be that money is not the key to him not putting pen to paper it may be the length of the contract that is or is not acceptable to both parties.
[quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid.[/p][/quote]No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.[/p][/quote]I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"[/p][/quote]Yes I also think excellent is the wrong description of JMc from his performances last year he is just an average div 2 goalkeeper that's probably why he has not got a better deal this year last year he had no competition for his spot hopefully this year we may have some competition and he may well improve to div 1 standards that in turn creates an increase in a better deal on the table come next year, it may well be that money is not the key to him not putting pen to paper it may be the length of the contract that is or is not acceptable to both parties. Olivermac
  • Score: 2

2:16pm Mon 14 Jul 14

lawsonio123 says...

Jon is a good keeper that is not in question. If he has been offered less money then that is wrong however if he is holding out for a large rise the matter is somewhat different. He sees our goal scouring forward being paid a large salary and not getting at present the amount of goals to warrant it so he wants a little more cake .Anlwick is not has good as Jon however he is not a bad keeper but we are in the realms of looking at free agents who are out of work The position is important he is our last line of defence but it is now time someone came out and told the truth of the matter if he is worth the money pay him if not let him go BUT remember he has served City well and did not get a fortune when he came
Jon is a good keeper that is not in question. If he has been offered less money then that is wrong however if he is holding out for a large rise the matter is somewhat different. He sees our goal scouring forward being paid a large salary and not getting at present the amount of goals to warrant it so he wants a little more cake .Anlwick is not has good as Jon however he is not a bad keeper but we are in the realms of looking at free agents who are out of work The position is important he is our last line of defence but it is now time someone came out and told the truth of the matter if he is worth the money pay him if not let him go BUT remember he has served City well and did not get a fortune when he came lawsonio123
  • Score: 1

3:12pm Mon 14 Jul 14

dazp says...

OLD BANTAM wrote:
Ask yourself would you do the same job that you have done for the last two years for LESS wages than you have been getting .come on city sort it out. Pay peanuts get monkeys.
ive heard Bubbles is avaialble now Jacko's not with us
[quote][p][bold]OLD BANTAM[/bold] wrote: Ask yourself would you do the same job that you have done for the last two years for LESS wages than you have been getting .come on city sort it out. Pay peanuts get monkeys.[/p][/quote]ive heard Bubbles is avaialble now Jacko's not with us dazp
  • Score: -3

3:48pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Michael Clayton says...

dazp wrote:
OLD BANTAM wrote: Ask yourself would you do the same job that you have done for the last two years for LESS wages than you have been getting .come on city sort it out. Pay peanuts get monkeys.
ive heard Bubbles is avaialble now Jacko's not with us
Jacko blew Bubbles out a long time before he croaked it!
[quote][p][bold]dazp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLD BANTAM[/bold] wrote: Ask yourself would you do the same job that you have done for the last two years for LESS wages than you have been getting .come on city sort it out. Pay peanuts get monkeys.[/p][/quote]ive heard Bubbles is avaialble now Jacko's not with us[/p][/quote]Jacko blew Bubbles out a long time before he croaked it! Michael Clayton
  • Score: -5

5:06pm Mon 14 Jul 14

nowt fresh says...

Olivermac wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote:
Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.
I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"
Yes I also think excellent is the wrong description of JMc from his performances last year he is just an average div 2 goalkeeper that's probably why he has not got a better deal this year last year he had no competition for his spot hopefully this year we may have some competition and he may well improve to div 1 standards that in turn creates an increase in a better deal on the table come next year, it may well be that money is not the key to him not putting pen to paper it may be the length of the contract that is or is not acceptable to both parties.
But surely that's why Phil Parkinson did not use last seasons budget on a no 2 back up keeper because and brought in lone keepers,because he thought Johnny Mc was a capable keeper at our level, he was part of a defence that kept 14 clean sheets I believe bettered by only 5 teams surely he deserves some of the credit for that fact, we don't know what terms Johnny Mc was offered be that salary wise or length of the contract, it was only last week James Meredith was getting slaughtered on here because he was "Holding out for better term" we don't know so why the speculation.
[quote][p][bold]Olivermac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid.[/p][/quote]No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.[/p][/quote]I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"[/p][/quote]Yes I also think excellent is the wrong description of JMc from his performances last year he is just an average div 2 goalkeeper that's probably why he has not got a better deal this year last year he had no competition for his spot hopefully this year we may have some competition and he may well improve to div 1 standards that in turn creates an increase in a better deal on the table come next year, it may well be that money is not the key to him not putting pen to paper it may be the length of the contract that is or is not acceptable to both parties.[/p][/quote]But surely that's why Phil Parkinson did not use last seasons budget on a no 2 back up keeper because and brought in lone keepers,because he thought Johnny Mc was a capable keeper at our level, he was part of a defence that kept 14 clean sheets I believe bettered by only 5 teams surely he deserves some of the credit for that fact, we don't know what terms Johnny Mc was offered be that salary wise or length of the contract, it was only last week James Meredith was getting slaughtered on here because he was "Holding out for better term" we don't know so why the speculation. nowt fresh
  • Score: 0

5:50pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Pablo says...

I won't be far wrong when I say that just four players account for 40% of this year's budget . This is severely restricting PP's manoeuvrability, hence the need for loans, where the parent club will be footing the majority of the wage.

Jon Mac is a reasonable and very intelligent individual who clearly sees that he's not getting a fair slice of the cake. Meredith didn't train with us until his contract issue was resolved. Jon Mac is and that indicates where his heart is.

In my view he is beyond blame and merely doing what all workers strive for - to get the best deal for himself.
I won't be far wrong when I say that just four players account for 40% of this year's budget . This is severely restricting PP's manoeuvrability, hence the need for loans, where the parent club will be footing the majority of the wage. Jon Mac is a reasonable and very intelligent individual who clearly sees that he's not getting a fair slice of the cake. Meredith didn't train with us until his contract issue was resolved. Jon Mac is and that indicates where his heart is. In my view he is beyond blame and merely doing what all workers strive for - to get the best deal for himself. Pablo
  • Score: 5

8:58pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Statler4 says...

bcfc mad85 wrote:
It's about time he decided on what he wants to do its really taking the biscuit Alnwick looks good sign him up our gain barnsleys loss
You would replace an established professional who played every game in League One and had the seventh best record in that division with a player who is older than him and who has never been a regular choice, or even close to that, despite having been at an abundance of clubs at various levels.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc mad85[/bold] wrote: It's about time he decided on what he wants to do its really taking the biscuit Alnwick looks good sign him up our gain barnsleys loss[/p][/quote]You would replace an established professional who played every game in League One and had the seventh best record in that division with a player who is older than him and who has never been a regular choice, or even close to that, despite having been at an abundance of clubs at various levels. Statler4
  • Score: 1

9:20pm Mon 14 Jul 14

jackez20591 says...

He isnt a good enough number 1 so i hope we dont give in and offer him a better deal.
He isnt a good enough number 1 so i hope we dont give in and offer him a better deal. jackez20591
  • Score: 1

10:02pm Mon 14 Jul 14

torreyman says...

Two Words GET RID
Two Words GET RID torreyman
  • Score: 1

11:32pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Statler, Pablo, fully agree. Jon is a decent keeper and within his rights to try negotiate the best deal he can get. The fact he's training and travelled with us would indicate to me that talks are ongoing and the intention is there from both parties to make the deal.
Statler, Pablo, fully agree. Jon is a decent keeper and within his rights to try negotiate the best deal he can get. The fact he's training and travelled with us would indicate to me that talks are ongoing and the intention is there from both parties to make the deal. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: -7

12:59am Tue 15 Jul 14

Bradford1903 says...

I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject.

Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted.

When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him.

No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.
I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject. Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted. When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him. No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him. Bradford1903
  • Score: 2

2:56am Tue 15 Jul 14

nigel007 says...

Ben alnwick...talented shot stopper,reasonable command of goal area, frustratingly poor distribution . Carlton athletic sports writer. 2013.
Ben alnwick...talented shot stopper,reasonable command of goal area, frustratingly poor distribution . Carlton athletic sports writer. 2013. nigel007
  • Score: 0

7:01am Tue 15 Jul 14

Nickloza says...

Bradford1903 wrote:
I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject.

Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted.

When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him.

No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.
Exactly, he only kept one clean sheet when Davies was out of the side. No coincidence.
[quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject. Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted. When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him. No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.[/p][/quote]Exactly, he only kept one clean sheet when Davies was out of the side. No coincidence. Nickloza
  • Score: 1

7:01am Tue 15 Jul 14

Statler4 says...

Bradford1903 wrote:
I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject.

Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted.

When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him.

No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.
So you're blaming him for things that didn't happen and not giving him credit for any positives. Psychiatrists call that magical thinking.
[quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject. Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted. When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him. No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.[/p][/quote]So you're blaming him for things that didn't happen and not giving him credit for any positives. Psychiatrists call that magical thinking. Statler4
  • Score: -1

8:06am Tue 15 Jul 14

Statler4 says...

Nickloza wrote:
Bradford1903 wrote:
I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject.

Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted.

When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him.

No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.
Exactly, he only kept one clean sheet when Davies was out of the side. No coincidence.
So if we replaced JM with a keeper of your choice we wouln't need to worry about Davies getting injured beause your keeper would make such a difference? Another example of magical thinking.
[quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject. Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted. When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him. No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.[/p][/quote]Exactly, he only kept one clean sheet when Davies was out of the side. No coincidence.[/p][/quote]So if we replaced JM with a keeper of your choice we wouln't need to worry about Davies getting injured beause your keeper would make such a difference? Another example of magical thinking. Statler4
  • Score: -1

8:41am Tue 15 Jul 14

Michael Clayton says...

torreyman wrote:
Two Words GET RID
How can you "GET RID" of someone who is out of contract (or very soon to be)?
[quote][p][bold]torreyman[/bold] wrote: Two Words GET RID[/p][/quote]How can you "GET RID" of someone who is out of contract (or very soon to be)? Michael Clayton
  • Score: -1

9:00am Tue 15 Jul 14

Nickloza says...

Statler4 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Bradford1903 wrote:
I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject.

Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted.

When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him.

No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.
Exactly, he only kept one clean sheet when Davies was out of the side. No coincidence.
So if we replaced JM with a keeper of your choice we wouln't need to worry about Davies getting injured beause your keeper would make such a difference? Another example of magical thinking.
No an example of Fact!
[quote][p][bold]Statler4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject. Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted. When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him. No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.[/p][/quote]Exactly, he only kept one clean sheet when Davies was out of the side. No coincidence.[/p][/quote]So if we replaced JM with a keeper of your choice we wouln't need to worry about Davies getting injured beause your keeper would make such a difference? Another example of magical thinking.[/p][/quote]No an example of Fact! Nickloza
  • Score: 1

10:16am Tue 15 Jul 14

wakefieldbantam says...

Statler4 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Bradford1903 wrote:
I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject.

Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted.

When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him.

No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.
Exactly, he only kept one clean sheet when Davies was out of the side. No coincidence.
So if we replaced JM with a keeper of your choice we wouln't need to worry about Davies getting injured beause your keeper would make such a difference? Another example of magical thinking.
Yes Statler it would make a difference a really good keeper would make a massive difference. I have always been a supporter of JM but no doubt about it last season exposed flaws in his game, he has developed a weakness at his near post when shot stopping.
However I said all last season we needed 2 keepers to have competition for the no1 spot and we do again this season, surely the budget can cover for this, I bet every other club in our division will have 2 recognised keepers.
[quote][p][bold]Statler4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject. Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted. When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him. No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.[/p][/quote]Exactly, he only kept one clean sheet when Davies was out of the side. No coincidence.[/p][/quote]So if we replaced JM with a keeper of your choice we wouln't need to worry about Davies getting injured beause your keeper would make such a difference? Another example of magical thinking.[/p][/quote]Yes Statler it would make a difference a really good keeper would make a massive difference. I have always been a supporter of JM but no doubt about it last season exposed flaws in his game, he has developed a weakness at his near post when shot stopping. However I said all last season we needed 2 keepers to have competition for the no1 spot and we do again this season, surely the budget can cover for this, I bet every other club in our division will have 2 recognised keepers. wakefieldbantam
  • Score: 2

10:38am Tue 15 Jul 14

northyorksbantam says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
northyorksbantam wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
northyorksbantam wrote:
Statler4 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.
I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"
The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper
Liverpool and Barca have negotiated and agreed a 75m transfer well within time time city and Jon mac have been dithering. Even the notoriously slow arsenal have signed up Sanchez. But yet here we are still talking, he must be better than brilliant for such protracted negotiations!
It is a mind's-eye crisis situation that does not actually exist. Panic merchants having a field day.
There's no need for panic or a crisis, however dragging this situation out is not for the benefit of the club, the player or the squad. I think the situation should have been sorted out with Jon Mac at least, by the 1st friendly and trip to Ireland, then Parky has chance to look and think about other options. It's an important position as he has said.
You state that the situation is not for the benefit of those involved. That is your opinion. Without knowing precisely what is happening, it is impossible to agree or disagree. I would guess (and this is my opinion) that the contracted players will not be spending that much time thinking over the goal-keeping situation as they will be too busy preparing for the forthcoming season. Players are subject to short-term contracts and I doubt that too many of them will be batting an eyelid. Panic or crisis? All I can add is that people are concerned enough to comment. That tells me something.
I would argue that it would be useful for our defence to play with, and get used to a keeper who is going to be the No.1, in the pre season games, and that is part of the preparation for the forthcoming season. Keepers work in different ways and a good defence needs to be tuned in with each other.

panic or crisis? would say that people are commenting as this is an interesting subject from the usual pre season stuff and it is pretty clear that mac divides opinion, not particularly that anybody is panicking. Pretty clear the situation needs resolving though. .
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northyorksbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northyorksbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Statler4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid.[/p][/quote]No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.[/p][/quote]I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"[/p][/quote]The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper[/p][/quote]Liverpool and Barca have negotiated and agreed a 75m transfer well within time time city and Jon mac have been dithering. Even the notoriously slow arsenal have signed up Sanchez. But yet here we are still talking, he must be better than brilliant for such protracted negotiations![/p][/quote]It is a mind's-eye crisis situation that does not actually exist. Panic merchants having a field day.[/p][/quote]There's no need for panic or a crisis, however dragging this situation out is not for the benefit of the club, the player or the squad. I think the situation should have been sorted out with Jon Mac at least, by the 1st friendly and trip to Ireland, then Parky has chance to look and think about other options. It's an important position as he has said.[/p][/quote]You state that the situation is not for the benefit of those involved. That is your opinion. Without knowing precisely what is happening, it is impossible to agree or disagree. I would guess (and this is my opinion) that the contracted players will not be spending that much time thinking over the goal-keeping situation as they will be too busy preparing for the forthcoming season. Players are subject to short-term contracts and I doubt that too many of them will be batting an eyelid. Panic or crisis? All I can add is that people are concerned enough to comment. That tells me something.[/p][/quote]I would argue that it would be useful for our defence to play with, and get used to a keeper who is going to be the No.1, in the pre season games, and that is part of the preparation for the forthcoming season. Keepers work in different ways and a good defence needs to be tuned in with each other. panic or crisis? would say that people are commenting as this is an interesting subject from the usual pre season stuff and it is pretty clear that mac divides opinion, not particularly that anybody is panicking. Pretty clear the situation needs resolving though. . northyorksbantam
  • Score: 3

11:26am Tue 15 Jul 14

Statler4 says...

wakefieldbantam wrote:
Statler4 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Bradford1903 wrote:
I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject.

Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted.

When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him.

No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.
Exactly, he only kept one clean sheet when Davies was out of the side. No coincidence.
So if we replaced JM with a keeper of your choice we wouln't need to worry about Davies getting injured beause your keeper would make such a difference? Another example of magical thinking.
Yes Statler it would make a difference a really good keeper would make a massive difference. I have always been a supporter of JM but no doubt about it last season exposed flaws in his game, he has developed a weakness at his near post when shot stopping.
However I said all last season we needed 2 keepers to have competition for the no1 spot and we do again this season, surely the budget can cover for this, I bet every other club in our division will have 2 recognised keepers.
He was in his first season in League One and had to adapt to a much faster pace. The so called weakness at the near post was a result of having a makeshift left back and Jonny being exposed with no protection. As Kyel Reid said, the left side was like a car without wheels. So far as having two keepers, that will be difficult with no reserve team playing in a league. Also, the reality is, and other professional keepers will realise this even if some amateur armchair experts don't, Jonny is a very good goalkeeper and anyone coming in to try and replace him will have to reach balls he doesn't get to in training and that would not be an easy achievement.
[quote][p][bold]wakefieldbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Statler4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject. Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted. When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him. No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.[/p][/quote]Exactly, he only kept one clean sheet when Davies was out of the side. No coincidence.[/p][/quote]So if we replaced JM with a keeper of your choice we wouln't need to worry about Davies getting injured beause your keeper would make such a difference? Another example of magical thinking.[/p][/quote]Yes Statler it would make a difference a really good keeper would make a massive difference. I have always been a supporter of JM but no doubt about it last season exposed flaws in his game, he has developed a weakness at his near post when shot stopping. However I said all last season we needed 2 keepers to have competition for the no1 spot and we do again this season, surely the budget can cover for this, I bet every other club in our division will have 2 recognised keepers.[/p][/quote]He was in his first season in League One and had to adapt to a much faster pace. The so called weakness at the near post was a result of having a makeshift left back and Jonny being exposed with no protection. As Kyel Reid said, the left side was like a car without wheels. So far as having two keepers, that will be difficult with no reserve team playing in a league. Also, the reality is, and other professional keepers will realise this even if some amateur armchair experts don't, Jonny is a very good goalkeeper and anyone coming in to try and replace him will have to reach balls he doesn't get to in training and that would not be an easy achievement. Statler4
  • Score: 0

12:19pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Michael Clayton says...

Statler4 wrote:
wakefieldbantam wrote:
Statler4 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Bradford1903 wrote:
I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject.

Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted.

When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him.

No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.
Exactly, he only kept one clean sheet when Davies was out of the side. No coincidence.
So if we replaced JM with a keeper of your choice we wouln't need to worry about Davies getting injured beause your keeper would make such a difference? Another example of magical thinking.
Yes Statler it would make a difference a really good keeper would make a massive difference. I have always been a supporter of JM but no doubt about it last season exposed flaws in his game, he has developed a weakness at his near post when shot stopping.
However I said all last season we needed 2 keepers to have competition for the no1 spot and we do again this season, surely the budget can cover for this, I bet every other club in our division will have 2 recognised keepers.
He was in his first season in League One and had to adapt to a much faster pace. The so called weakness at the near post was a result of having a makeshift left back and Jonny being exposed with no protection. As Kyel Reid said, the left side was like a car without wheels. So far as having two keepers, that will be difficult with no reserve team playing in a league. Also, the reality is, and other professional keepers will realise this even if some amateur armchair experts don't, Jonny is a very good goalkeeper and anyone coming in to try and replace him will have to reach balls he doesn't get to in training and that would not be an easy achievement.
Pardon my stupidity, but I do not understand the quote attributed to Kyel Reid; "Car without wheels"?

From what I saw, the City full-backs (in particular Meredith) were left exposed due to a lack of cover. The opposition forward then had a choice of either cutting inside or going outside before powering a shot on goal. I was rather critical of Meredith but, in hindsight, was he culpable?
[quote][p][bold]Statler4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wakefieldbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Statler4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject. Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted. When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him. No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.[/p][/quote]Exactly, he only kept one clean sheet when Davies was out of the side. No coincidence.[/p][/quote]So if we replaced JM with a keeper of your choice we wouln't need to worry about Davies getting injured beause your keeper would make such a difference? Another example of magical thinking.[/p][/quote]Yes Statler it would make a difference a really good keeper would make a massive difference. I have always been a supporter of JM but no doubt about it last season exposed flaws in his game, he has developed a weakness at his near post when shot stopping. However I said all last season we needed 2 keepers to have competition for the no1 spot and we do again this season, surely the budget can cover for this, I bet every other club in our division will have 2 recognised keepers.[/p][/quote]He was in his first season in League One and had to adapt to a much faster pace. The so called weakness at the near post was a result of having a makeshift left back and Jonny being exposed with no protection. As Kyel Reid said, the left side was like a car without wheels. So far as having two keepers, that will be difficult with no reserve team playing in a league. Also, the reality is, and other professional keepers will realise this even if some amateur armchair experts don't, Jonny is a very good goalkeeper and anyone coming in to try and replace him will have to reach balls he doesn't get to in training and that would not be an easy achievement.[/p][/quote]Pardon my stupidity, but I do not understand the quote attributed to Kyel Reid; "Car without wheels"? From what I saw, the City full-backs (in particular Meredith) were left exposed due to a lack of cover. The opposition forward then had a choice of either cutting inside or going outside before powering a shot on goal. I was rather critical of Meredith but, in hindsight, was he culpable? Michael Clayton
  • Score: -1

2:04pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Michael Clayton says...

northyorksbantam wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
northyorksbantam wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
northyorksbantam wrote:
Statler4 wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
citygent7 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.
He's had long enough get rid.
No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.
I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"
The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper
Liverpool and Barca have negotiated and agreed a 75m transfer well within time time city and Jon mac have been dithering. Even the notoriously slow arsenal have signed up Sanchez. But yet here we are still talking, he must be better than brilliant for such protracted negotiations!
It is a mind's-eye crisis situation that does not actually exist. Panic merchants having a field day.
There's no need for panic or a crisis, however dragging this situation out is not for the benefit of the club, the player or the squad. I think the situation should have been sorted out with Jon Mac at least, by the 1st friendly and trip to Ireland, then Parky has chance to look and think about other options. It's an important position as he has said.
You state that the situation is not for the benefit of those involved. That is your opinion. Without knowing precisely what is happening, it is impossible to agree or disagree. I would guess (and this is my opinion) that the contracted players will not be spending that much time thinking over the goal-keeping situation as they will be too busy preparing for the forthcoming season. Players are subject to short-term contracts and I doubt that too many of them will be batting an eyelid. Panic or crisis? All I can add is that people are concerned enough to comment. That tells me something.
I would argue that it would be useful for our defence to play with, and get used to a keeper who is going to be the No.1, in the pre season games, and that is part of the preparation for the forthcoming season. Keepers work in different ways and a good defence needs to be tuned in with each other.

panic or crisis? would say that people are commenting as this is an interesting subject from the usual pre season stuff and it is pretty clear that mac divides opinion, not particularly that anybody is panicking. Pretty clear the situation needs resolving though. .
You make your point well and there is a need for understanding between the 'keeper and his defenders.

I just feel that some Bantams fans act like headless chickens at this time of year. I am sure that the management team has got everything under control.
[quote][p][bold]northyorksbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northyorksbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northyorksbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Statler4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]citygent7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: Don't see clubs falling over themselves to sign him so he needs to be careful. Lots of players out of work.[/p][/quote]He's had long enough get rid.[/p][/quote]No! Only an idiot would want to show the door to an excellent goalkeeper. Phil Parkinson is not an idiot. Obviously I don't know exactly where you would stand, though your post gives some indication.[/p][/quote]I think you're stretching it a bit with the "excellent"[/p][/quote]The seventh best record in his first season in the division. It depends on how you quantify excellent and the parameters and cut off points you use but by most standards, Jon McLaughlin is an excellent goalkeeper[/p][/quote]Liverpool and Barca have negotiated and agreed a 75m transfer well within time time city and Jon mac have been dithering. Even the notoriously slow arsenal have signed up Sanchez. But yet here we are still talking, he must be better than brilliant for such protracted negotiations![/p][/quote]It is a mind's-eye crisis situation that does not actually exist. Panic merchants having a field day.[/p][/quote]There's no need for panic or a crisis, however dragging this situation out is not for the benefit of the club, the player or the squad. I think the situation should have been sorted out with Jon Mac at least, by the 1st friendly and trip to Ireland, then Parky has chance to look and think about other options. It's an important position as he has said.[/p][/quote]You state that the situation is not for the benefit of those involved. That is your opinion. Without knowing precisely what is happening, it is impossible to agree or disagree. I would guess (and this is my opinion) that the contracted players will not be spending that much time thinking over the goal-keeping situation as they will be too busy preparing for the forthcoming season. Players are subject to short-term contracts and I doubt that too many of them will be batting an eyelid. Panic or crisis? All I can add is that people are concerned enough to comment. That tells me something.[/p][/quote]I would argue that it would be useful for our defence to play with, and get used to a keeper who is going to be the No.1, in the pre season games, and that is part of the preparation for the forthcoming season. Keepers work in different ways and a good defence needs to be tuned in with each other. panic or crisis? would say that people are commenting as this is an interesting subject from the usual pre season stuff and it is pretty clear that mac divides opinion, not particularly that anybody is panicking. Pretty clear the situation needs resolving though. .[/p][/quote]You make your point well and there is a need for understanding between the 'keeper and his defenders. I just feel that some Bantams fans act like headless chickens at this time of year. I am sure that the management team has got everything under control. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -2

7:51pm Tue 15 Jul 14

BirchLane-1964 says...

He likes it at City thats why hes gone to ireland but he's hoping they match another offer that's been put in front of him elsewhere. Just waiting for the Paddy Kenny signs for city announcement now!
He likes it at City thats why hes gone to ireland but he's hoping they match another offer that's been put in front of him elsewhere. Just waiting for the Paddy Kenny signs for city announcement now! BirchLane-1964
  • Score: 1

10:30pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Bradford1903 says...

Statler4 wrote:
Bradford1903 wrote:
I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject.

Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted.

When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him.

No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.
So you're blaming him for things that didn't happen and not giving him credit for any positives. Psychiatrists call that magical thinking.
I really don't think it's a difficult concept to understand.

People tend to remember mistakes that he made in say the home games against Wolves and Coventry because they resulted in goals. On the other hand they forget mistakes that were made against Port Vale, where instead of just kicking the ball into touch, he presents it straight to opposition player, and I think it was McArdle hat cleared off the line, plus I seem to remember he made a similar error against Peterbro' that similarly went unpunished. Just because the opposition didn't profit from them it doesn't he hasn't made an error.

I think he has improved in the last couple of seasons, and of course he has made some good saves; I remember one low down to his right near the back end, being a particularly impressive one, but overall, I feel he is a pretty average keeper at this level.
[quote][p][bold]Statler4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: I imagine Jon was offered a pretty similar deal to he was last season, which he is perfectly entitled to reject. Personally though, I think he is a very average keeper at this level, who you feel their next mistake is never too far away. Towards the back end of the season, I also thought there were a few mistakes that weren't punished, so they weren't highlighted. When people talk about the number of clean sheets he has had, I think it's disrespectful to not acknowledge that a lot of this was down to a pretty solid back four, that played in front of him. No disrespect to Jon, who has been a good servant to the club, but if we have any serious ambitions about making a challenge for promotion, then I feel we need a better keeper than him.[/p][/quote]So you're blaming him for things that didn't happen and not giving him credit for any positives. Psychiatrists call that magical thinking.[/p][/quote]I really don't think it's a difficult concept to understand. People tend to remember mistakes that he made in say the home games against Wolves and Coventry because they resulted in goals. On the other hand they forget mistakes that were made against Port Vale, where instead of just kicking the ball into touch, he presents it straight to opposition player, and I think it was McArdle hat cleared off the line, plus I seem to remember he made a similar error against Peterbro' that similarly went unpunished. Just because the opposition didn't profit from them it doesn't he hasn't made an error. I think he has improved in the last couple of seasons, and of course he has made some good saves; I remember one low down to his right near the back end, being a particularly impressive one, but overall, I feel he is a pretty average keeper at this level. Bradford1903
  • Score: 0

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