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Steve Ferres urges Bradford Bulls fans to support Marc Green

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Adrian Purtell and Tom Olbison show the battling qualities in the recent win against Wakefield that the Bulls will need for the rest of the season to avoid relegation Adrian Purtell and Tom Olbison show the battling qualities in the recent win against Wakefield that the Bulls will need for the rest of the season to avoid relegation

BULLS managing director Steve Ferres believes Marc Green will ultimately restore the club to its former glories – but has urged supporters to also play their part.

Bradford's appeal against their six-point penalty for entering administration was upheld on Wednesday, dealing a massive blow to their survival prospects this season.

But Ferres insists Green is in it for the long haul and has backed the Bulls owner to preside over an upturn in fortunes at Odsal.

"The fans have a club to support and in Marc they have a guy in charge who is dedicated and committed to making the Bulls a force in the game again," declared Ferres.

"We now need the people of Bradford to help us in our quest to achieve our aims and that is to be back at the top echelons of the sport.

"Whatever we have to do to achieve that, we will do – but it isn't a one-man job and Marc can't do it on his own.

"It needs the people of Bradford to buy into what he is about and what he is trying to do.

"If we all get together and unite behind his ambition and his drive to make a success of it, then we will achieve our aim."

Club chairman Green has already stated he will not "run for the hills" should Bradford fall into the Championship.

Ferres said: "Marc has demonstrated his commitment but at the end of the day he's a very shrewd businessman who wants to run the club as a business.

"It can be run well as a business and he's demonstrating that now and will continue to do so in the coming years.

"However, it does require a buy-in from everybody else and people have got to support what we're doing.

"It's not about histrionics; it's about the future and we're trying to rebuild that trust and belief back up.

"We believe it can be achieved and I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who are going to help us."

The Bulls lie six points adrift of third-bottom Wakefield with 12 rounds of the Super League season remaining.

Head coach Francis Cummins remains confident his men can beat the drop despite their points appeal being dismissed.

Ferres said: "We're all full of the same belief but at the end of the day, as each week goes by, it becomes a tougher job if we're not winning games.

"We've got to start winning games and everybody knows that.

"While it's still possible, we will retain that belief – but whatever happens, the long-term aim is to put the club where it belongs.

"We will be looking at planning for that and to make the club as strong as we can.

"At the end of the day, I know the fans were disappointed and upset on Wednesday but so were we.

"Marc has taken something on which is not his doing and he can't be faulted because he's doing everything right at the moment.

"It's about getting the trust back from people, to believe in the club and to contribute to what we're trying to achieve."

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8:10am Fri 13 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Marc has taken something on which is not his doing.

So there were other people waiting in the wings with bids, one of them with cash on the hip.

Thats barely an excuse for failure.
Marc has taken something on which is not his doing. So there were other people waiting in the wings with bids, one of them with cash on the hip. Thats barely an excuse for failure. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -14

8:21am Fri 13 Jun 14

raisemeup says...

What else can be said, when faced with a pile of lemons, you make lemonade> This is what we are doing and have been doing for the last 2+ years, and if the truth be known ever since PH did what he did in 2006. He went in for the "bust and boom" style of management, that doesn't work as we can testify.
Lot's of poor judgement calls are always made in business, it's the scale of poor versus good that matters.
Marc Green has made all the right choices we are presently faced with, the RFL in my opinion are and have made monumental blunders, in most business circles someone would have seen heads rolling, but they seem ring fenced, when it comes to the crunch.
Not sure that I, personally, want to carry on anymore? Who will persuade me that it's gonna be worth it? Although Steve has made a good case, it's the believability that is the crux of the matter! we have to get past the cynicism of it all! A good win at Salford, will be the indicator, so no pressure then Franny!!!!
What else can be said, when faced with a pile of lemons, you make lemonade> This is what we are doing and have been doing for the last 2+ years, and if the truth be known ever since PH did what he did in 2006. He went in for the "bust and boom" style of management, that doesn't work as we can testify. Lot's of poor judgement calls are always made in business, it's the scale of poor versus good that matters. Marc Green has made all the right choices we are presently faced with, the RFL in my opinion are and have made monumental blunders, in most business circles someone would have seen heads rolling, but they seem ring fenced, when it comes to the crunch. Not sure that I, personally, want to carry on anymore? Who will persuade me that it's gonna be worth it? Although Steve has made a good case, it's the believability that is the crux of the matter! we have to get past the cynicism of it all! A good win at Salford, will be the indicator, so no pressure then Franny!!!! raisemeup
  • Score: -2

8:31am Fri 13 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Raisemeup, you stick with a team through thick and thin. I was just as likely to buy a season ticket for City in League 2 as I was the Premier league.

If your just there for the glory days then you ain't a proper fan.
Raisemeup, you stick with a team through thick and thin. I was just as likely to buy a season ticket for City in League 2 as I was the Premier league. If your just there for the glory days then you ain't a proper fan. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 21

8:38am Fri 13 Jun 14

hemsworthbull formerly known as pontebull says...

This article is spot on, Marc cannot do this on his own. I fully appreciate that fans are voting with their feet however, we have a club, we have someone who has a good business head and is passionate, all we need now is the support from loyal fans irrespective of which league we're in. Without the support then there will be no club.
Coyb
This article is spot on, Marc cannot do this on his own. I fully appreciate that fans are voting with their feet however, we have a club, we have someone who has a good business head and is passionate, all we need now is the support from loyal fans irrespective of which league we're in. Without the support then there will be no club. Coyb hemsworthbull formerly known as pontebull
  • Score: 12

8:44am Fri 13 Jun 14

caledonia15 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Raisemeup, you stick with a team through thick and thin. I was just as likely to buy a season ticket for City in League 2 as I was the Premier league.

If your just there for the glory days then you ain't a proper fan.
Fair comment, but i think there are a lot of genuine bulls fans who are totally drained by whats gone on up art Odsal over the last few years. I have been there for the wonderful days when we were in the sun, but have also seen far too many days in the shade.
This latest fiasco really makes me wonder of its worth carrying on, i have put my hard earned brass into buckets, appeals etc, bought merchandise, season tickets, gone to social events and followed the team home and away, but i am really wondering the way professional R.L. is being run by a totally inept set up and the mess at Odsal if its worth putting my money into it anymore.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Raisemeup, you stick with a team through thick and thin. I was just as likely to buy a season ticket for City in League 2 as I was the Premier league. If your just there for the glory days then you ain't a proper fan.[/p][/quote]Fair comment, but i think there are a lot of genuine bulls fans who are totally drained by whats gone on up art Odsal over the last few years. I have been there for the wonderful days when we were in the sun, but have also seen far too many days in the shade. This latest fiasco really makes me wonder of its worth carrying on, i have put my hard earned brass into buckets, appeals etc, bought merchandise, season tickets, gone to social events and followed the team home and away, but i am really wondering the way professional R.L. is being run by a totally inept set up and the mess at Odsal if its worth putting my money into it anymore. caledonia15
  • Score: 13

8:59am Fri 13 Jun 14

bartsbull says...

First we have a club and i like many others will support him and the team people who think you can just go out there and buy any player need to come back to reality.

Look at Salford they have spent a fortune unlesss you build a squad that play as a team you are on a hiding to nothing otherwise

Where ever we play next year i will like our true supporters will follow the club i do hope it is in the top flight but that nowi in our hands to give full support to th team who have been dealt a bad hand over the last few years
So COYB
First we have a club and i like many others will support him and the team people who think you can just go out there and buy any player need to come back to reality. Look at Salford they have spent a fortune unlesss you build a squad that play as a team you are on a hiding to nothing otherwise Where ever we play next year i will like our true supporters will follow the club i do hope it is in the top flight but that nowi in our hands to give full support to th team who have been dealt a bad hand over the last few years So COYB bartsbull
  • Score: 7

9:02am Fri 13 Jun 14

northern pig says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Raisemeup, you stick with a team through thick and thin. I was just as likely to buy a season ticket for City in League 2 as I was the Premier league.

If your just there for the glory days then you ain't a proper fan.
Absolutely,I have stood on the Odsal terraces since 1958 good times and bad It's been a roller coaster ride,I have shed tears in Victory and defeat.It's been a hell of ride so far.Most of the glory hunters,have already jumped ship.I think we wil be looking at an hard core of 4000 next year but we will survive.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Raisemeup, you stick with a team through thick and thin. I was just as likely to buy a season ticket for City in League 2 as I was the Premier league. If your just there for the glory days then you ain't a proper fan.[/p][/quote]Absolutely,I have stood on the Odsal terraces since 1958 good times and bad It's been a roller coaster ride,I have shed tears in Victory and defeat.It's been a hell of ride so far.Most of the glory hunters,have already jumped ship.I think we wil be looking at an hard core of 4000 next year but we will survive. northern pig
  • Score: 14

9:08am Fri 13 Jun 14

axelf1963 says...

With all this in mind my prediction is Salford by 18.
With all this in mind my prediction is Salford by 18. axelf1963
  • Score: -10

9:08am Fri 13 Jun 14

axelf1963 says...

With all this in mind my prediction is Salford by 18.
With all this in mind my prediction is Salford by 18. axelf1963
  • Score: -8

9:15am Fri 13 Jun 14

Forever-Bfd says...

I have supported the Bulls for a number of years back since the Northern days. Like the rest of the fans I can't say I have enjoyed going as much over the last two seasons
but I will probably be there (God willing) next season. All I ask is for a is a team of committed and honest players. Don't expect to win every game but do expect they try. If we end up going down and get a good set of lads who actually want to be at Bradford, we might all enjoy are rugby more. I do hope Marc Green does stick around. COYB
I have supported the Bulls for a number of years back since the Northern days. Like the rest of the fans I can't say I have enjoyed going as much over the last two seasons but I will probably be there (God willing) next season. All I ask is for a is a team of committed and honest players. Don't expect to win every game but do expect they try. If we end up going down and get a good set of lads who actually want to be at Bradford, we might all enjoy are rugby more. I do hope Marc Green does stick around. COYB Forever-Bfd
  • Score: 8

9:24am Fri 13 Jun 14

The Fat Lady Sings says...

So, softening the fans up for the big drop. I know Mr Green, through Ferres, has to make these kind of statements but you cannot blame the fans for being a little bit suspicious after the going-ons at Odsal over the last few years. A similar rally cry was made by a Mr Hood (completely absolved of any wrong-doings) when he asked supporters to raise 500K pounds. My family of three season-ticket holders paid twenty pounds each through the gate and threw loose change into the begging buckets and where did that lead? So pardon me for feeling slightly sceptical and cynical. Apart from paying the wages on time and protecting his investment (the reason for administration), what else has he invested in the club. I could be wrong but he could be another Odsal carpetbagger. Only time will tell but please don't have a pop at the fans. Kicking a few coaches and players rear ends would be more productive.
So, softening the fans up for the big drop. I know Mr Green, through Ferres, has to make these kind of statements but you cannot blame the fans for being a little bit suspicious after the going-ons at Odsal over the last few years. A similar rally cry was made by a Mr Hood (completely absolved of any wrong-doings) when he asked supporters to raise 500K pounds. My family of three season-ticket holders paid twenty pounds each through the gate and threw loose change into the begging buckets and where did that lead? So pardon me for feeling slightly sceptical and cynical. Apart from paying the wages on time and protecting his investment (the reason for administration), what else has he invested in the club. I could be wrong but he could be another Odsal carpetbagger. Only time will tell but please don't have a pop at the fans. Kicking a few coaches and players rear ends would be more productive. The Fat Lady Sings
  • Score: 13

9:40am Fri 13 Jun 14

Andybulls says...

Rugby league is still the best game on the planet for me. However the Bulls supporters have been let down by a series of poor decisions and boards of directors. We will probably go down this year because we don't have enough good players. We will see if Mr Green is in it for the long haul when we are travelling to places like Workington next year. But please Mr Ferris don't make out that the fans haven't supported, and still continue to support the club in what is dire circumstances.
Rugby league is still the best game on the planet for me. However the Bulls supporters have been let down by a series of poor decisions and boards of directors. We will probably go down this year because we don't have enough good players. We will see if Mr Green is in it for the long haul when we are travelling to places like Workington next year. But please Mr Ferris don't make out that the fans haven't supported, and still continue to support the club in what is dire circumstances. Andybulls
  • Score: 11

9:57am Fri 13 Jun 14

Old Dave says...

Bradford BUlls and indeed Bradford City, have a core of fans who will follow through thick and thin regardless of clever marketing and cheap season tickets. In my opinion, for Bulls this level is about 4000 (the pre SL average attendance) and for City about 7000.
Success brings along more fans. If Bulls had beaten wire and got to wembley, then we would have sold many more tickets than the fans who regularly attend at the moment!

Success on the field is ultimately going to bring back the fans. Even if that is in Championship one. Momentum is evrything ( ask Stevo!)
Bradford BUlls and indeed Bradford City, have a core of fans who will follow through thick and thin regardless of clever marketing and cheap season tickets. In my opinion, for Bulls this level is about 4000 (the pre SL average attendance) and for City about 7000. Success brings along more fans. If Bulls had beaten wire and got to wembley, then we would have sold many more tickets than the fans who regularly attend at the moment! Success on the field is ultimately going to bring back the fans. Even if that is in Championship one. Momentum is evrything ( ask Stevo!) Old Dave
  • Score: 7

10:21am Fri 13 Jun 14

poppastratton says...

I've maintained for quite some time that we are not wanted in SL and I have always been curious as to why. It seems ironic that Mandy Koukash, with millions of ponds available, was turned away because her sealed offer didn't suit the people in power. It would be interesting reading if details of all the bids were made public. Just saying, just putting it out there. We, as a club, can and must survive however after watching several lacklustre performances SL safety seems a long way off.
I've maintained for quite some time that we are not wanted in SL and I have always been curious as to why. It seems ironic that Mandy Koukash, with millions of ponds available, was turned away because her sealed offer didn't suit the people in power. It would be interesting reading if details of all the bids were made public. Just saying, just putting it out there. We, as a club, can and must survive however after watching several lacklustre performances SL safety seems a long way off. poppastratton
  • Score: 5

10:25am Fri 13 Jun 14

blue marlin says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Marc has taken something on which is not his doing. So there were other people waiting in the wings with bids, one of them with cash on the hip. Thats barely an excuse for failure.
if he had not taken it on he would have been out of pocket to he turn of K150 would he not?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Marc has taken something on which is not his doing. So there were other people waiting in the wings with bids, one of them with cash on the hip. Thats barely an excuse for failure.[/p][/quote]if he had not taken it on he would have been out of pocket to he turn of K150 would he not? blue marlin
  • Score: 4

10:32am Fri 13 Jun 14

Videoref says...

Well, 'we're in it for the long haul and has to be run as a business' No problem with that. However, if we have spent 3 months on preparation and £5,000 cash to appeal against the points deduction, only to be told we haven't even met the criteria to have the appeal considered, it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in management team or legal advisors does it?
Well, 'we're in it for the long haul and has to be run as a business' No problem with that. However, if we have spent 3 months on preparation and £5,000 cash to appeal against the points deduction, only to be told we haven't even met the criteria to have the appeal considered, it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in management team or legal advisors does it? Videoref
  • Score: 5

11:12am Fri 13 Jun 14

axelf1963 says...

Mrs K having millions of ponds sounds a bit fishy.
Mrs K having millions of ponds sounds a bit fishy. axelf1963
  • Score: -4

11:23am Fri 13 Jun 14

franklyn says...

I think the bulls supporters have more than done their share over the past few years, only to be let down time and again by players and management alike.
We have now got to get used to life in championship rugby and it will be far from easy to get out of it.
Most of the playing staff will be heading for the doors and it will be a case of start all over again, but that may not be such a bad thing though it may take a season or two.
I'm sure the loyal fans will still be there behind the team but anyone who thinks it's going to be a easy thing can think again.
I think the bulls supporters have more than done their share over the past few years, only to be let down time and again by players and management alike. We have now got to get used to life in championship rugby and it will be far from easy to get out of it. Most of the playing staff will be heading for the doors and it will be a case of start all over again, but that may not be such a bad thing though it may take a season or two. I'm sure the loyal fans will still be there behind the team but anyone who thinks it's going to be a easy thing can think again. franklyn
  • Score: 8

11:23am Fri 13 Jun 14

bully4us says...

It’s a shame Mr Green didn't take over three years ago. He appears to be the closest to a proper businessman that we have had for quite a few years. I watched the Saints chairman being interviewed last night and he said it straight. You can’t run a sports club properly until it is run as a business properly. None of our previous owners seem to have known this. I hope Green stays around and if he makes his money back while building us up again then good luck to him.

My biggest gripe about what has happened is that I am totally amazed that the RFL and other clubs thought it was a good idea to dock us £600k per year when we were already financially strapped. It was obvious what that would mean to us. I am OK with the point’s deductions as we did go into admin twice.

I fully expect us to go down and I am not at all worried about playing in the championship. I believe we (and London) do actually deserve to go down as we have been a farce in these last few years, run by total clowns, dreamers and novices. As long as we have a solid business plan and good directors I will make the best of it and enjoy a few years playing different teams. I will actually look forward to going to the Cougars, Fax and Fev again.

The next ten days will make things a lot clearer. Two defeats and we are down whatever Franny says. I am old enough to know that things are rarely as bad as they initially look and good can come out of disappointment. We will take the medicine we deserve and need and we will come back healthier and enjoy a few new derbies in the meantime.
One thing all fans must do though is at the end of this season we must try and forget all that has happened - draw a line under it as it will eat away at you. All we need to do from this October when tickets are available is go along and support the new team we will inevitably have - hopefully made up of our own young lads and a group of seasoned pro's.
It’s a shame Mr Green didn't take over three years ago. He appears to be the closest to a proper businessman that we have had for quite a few years. I watched the Saints chairman being interviewed last night and he said it straight. You can’t run a sports club properly until it is run as a business properly. None of our previous owners seem to have known this. I hope Green stays around and if he makes his money back while building us up again then good luck to him. My biggest gripe about what has happened is that I am totally amazed that the RFL and other clubs thought it was a good idea to dock us £600k per year when we were already financially strapped. It was obvious what that would mean to us. I am OK with the point’s deductions as we did go into admin twice. I fully expect us to go down and I am not at all worried about playing in the championship. I believe we (and London) do actually deserve to go down as we have been a farce in these last few years, run by total clowns, dreamers and novices. As long as we have a solid business plan and good directors I will make the best of it and enjoy a few years playing different teams. I will actually look forward to going to the Cougars, Fax and Fev again. The next ten days will make things a lot clearer. Two defeats and we are down whatever Franny says. I am old enough to know that things are rarely as bad as they initially look and good can come out of disappointment. We will take the medicine we deserve and need and we will come back healthier and enjoy a few new derbies in the meantime. One thing all fans must do though is at the end of this season we must try and forget all that has happened - draw a line under it as it will eat away at you. All we need to do from this October when tickets are available is go along and support the new team we will inevitably have - hopefully made up of our own young lads and a group of seasoned pro's. bully4us
  • Score: 8

11:25am Fri 13 Jun 14

bullybullman says...

I don't agree Marc Green has done everything wrong so far ! Instead of putting cash up to bring in talent he's hung his hat on getting 6 points back. Foolishly he did not count on getting none back and on top of that 6 points back would not give us survival with Franny in charge. Peter Hood made a massive error of judgement keeping Mcnamara and Marc Green has done the same.

The faithful have had enough of this lacklustre management the championship is fine as long has we can have some pride we are the club nobody wants. Is Marc Green capable of turning things round ? I doubt he will be at the club this time next year hope im wrong.
I don't agree Marc Green has done everything wrong so far ! Instead of putting cash up to bring in talent he's hung his hat on getting 6 points back. Foolishly he did not count on getting none back and on top of that 6 points back would not give us survival with Franny in charge. Peter Hood made a massive error of judgement keeping Mcnamara and Marc Green has done the same. The faithful have had enough of this lacklustre management the championship is fine as long has we can have some pride we are the club nobody wants. Is Marc Green capable of turning things round ? I doubt he will be at the club this time next year hope im wrong. bullybullman
  • Score: 1

12:04pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Sense99 says...

Green "has done all he can" and "Marc has taken something on which is not his doing and he can't be faulted because he's doing everything right at the moment".

These comments make me laugh. Once again the club thinks that a few pacifying words will make it all right. Well they don't.

It was not Green's doing, but he must of known what he was getting into. Surely he knew the Bulls would be docked 6 points- if not he lives on a different planet to the rest of us. So he knew he would need to spend lots of money - which he has not. If he didn't want to dip into his pockets, why not let someone else buy the club ?

We now start to see to hear the slow U-turn, previously al those in charge were totally positive we would stay up, now they say they will rebuild the club to its former status whatever happens.

To be honest I am totally underwhelmed and not impressed by what I have seen so far. We all know there are players about (Salford, Wakey, etc can find them). Why do we need both Ferres and RHP (who has gone so quiet) - get rid of one of them and put it towards buying a player.

Seems like plan A was get 6 points back, and plan B was - well plan A. What great business sense - NOT !

My cynical mind says Green wanted a club on the cheap and he got one.
Green "has done all he can" and "Marc has taken something on which is not his doing and he can't be faulted because he's doing everything right at the moment". These comments make me laugh. Once again the club thinks that a few pacifying words will make it all right. Well they don't. It was not Green's doing, but he must of known what he was getting into. Surely he knew the Bulls would be docked 6 points- if not he lives on a different planet to the rest of us. So he knew he would need to spend lots of money - which he has not. If he didn't want to dip into his pockets, why not let someone else buy the club ? We now start to see to hear the slow U-turn, previously al those in charge were totally positive we would stay up, now they say they will rebuild the club to its former status whatever happens. To be honest I am totally underwhelmed and not impressed by what I have seen so far. We all know there are players about (Salford, Wakey, etc can find them). Why do we need both Ferres and RHP (who has gone so quiet) - get rid of one of them and put it towards buying a player. Seems like plan A was get 6 points back, and plan B was - well plan A. What great business sense - NOT ! My cynical mind says Green wanted a club on the cheap and he got one. Sense99
  • Score: 5

12:10pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Sense99 says...

Also, if the powers that be had any intelligence they would have realised weeks and weeks ago that FC is not the man for the job. He is out of his depth. Surely an obvious solution would have been to ask Noble for his services either alongside or instead of FC.
Also, if the powers that be had any intelligence they would have realised weeks and weeks ago that FC is not the man for the job. He is out of his depth. Surely an obvious solution would have been to ask Noble for his services either alongside or instead of FC. Sense99
  • Score: 6

12:15pm Fri 13 Jun 14

poppastratton says...

axelf1963 wrote:
Mrs K having millions of ponds sounds a bit fishy.
Sorry about the typo, maybe I should SCALE my comment down a bit. I'll FINish now before it becomes a tedious TAIL. I hope nobody takes the BAIT.
[quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Mrs K having millions of ponds sounds a bit fishy.[/p][/quote]Sorry about the typo, maybe I should SCALE my comment down a bit. I'll FINish now before it becomes a tedious TAIL. I hope nobody takes the BAIT. poppastratton
  • Score: 0

12:27pm Fri 13 Jun 14

OdsalOptimist says...

Sense99 wrote:
Green "has done all he can" and "Marc has taken something on which is not his doing and he can't be faulted because he's doing everything right at the moment". These comments make me laugh. Once again the club thinks that a few pacifying words will make it all right. Well they don't. It was not Green's doing, but he must of known what he was getting into. Surely he knew the Bulls would be docked 6 points- if not he lives on a different planet to the rest of us. So he knew he would need to spend lots of money - which he has not. If he didn't want to dip into his pockets, why not let someone else buy the club ? We now start to see to hear the slow U-turn, previously al those in charge were totally positive we would stay up, now they say they will rebuild the club to its former status whatever happens. To be honest I am totally underwhelmed and not impressed by what I have seen so far. We all know there are players about (Salford, Wakey, etc can find them). Why do we need both Ferres and RHP (who has gone so quiet) - get rid of one of them and put it towards buying a player. Seems like plan A was get 6 points back, and plan B was - well plan A. What great business sense - NOT ! My cynical mind says Green wanted a club on the cheap and he got one.
Why would these players want to join a team that regularly ships 50 points and clearly has a different training style to other teams (i.e. the injuries - Look @ the injury prone Scruton at Wakey).
If you are a young player / out of favour player, you would be better playing at one of the championship sides where the games are more competitive than the vast majority of our games this year.
[quote][p][bold]Sense99[/bold] wrote: Green "has done all he can" and "Marc has taken something on which is not his doing and he can't be faulted because he's doing everything right at the moment". These comments make me laugh. Once again the club thinks that a few pacifying words will make it all right. Well they don't. It was not Green's doing, but he must of known what he was getting into. Surely he knew the Bulls would be docked 6 points- if not he lives on a different planet to the rest of us. So he knew he would need to spend lots of money - which he has not. If he didn't want to dip into his pockets, why not let someone else buy the club ? We now start to see to hear the slow U-turn, previously al those in charge were totally positive we would stay up, now they say they will rebuild the club to its former status whatever happens. To be honest I am totally underwhelmed and not impressed by what I have seen so far. We all know there are players about (Salford, Wakey, etc can find them). Why do we need both Ferres and RHP (who has gone so quiet) - get rid of one of them and put it towards buying a player. Seems like plan A was get 6 points back, and plan B was - well plan A. What great business sense - NOT ! My cynical mind says Green wanted a club on the cheap and he got one.[/p][/quote]Why would these players want to join a team that regularly ships 50 points and clearly has a different training style to other teams (i.e. the injuries - Look @ the injury prone Scruton at Wakey). If you are a young player / out of favour player, you would be better playing at one of the championship sides where the games are more competitive than the vast majority of our games this year. OdsalOptimist
  • Score: -1

12:59pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Loyalbull1981 says...

''"Marc has taken something on which is not his doing and he can't be faulted because he's doing everything right at the moment. ''
ehhhhh wasn t it him who put us in admin to get his money back so hes the reason we have 6 points adrift?????? or am i wrong???? i like the guy/hink he is in it for long haul but surely paying off creditors would have been sure fire way to get points back ? i will support them whichever division they are in anyways and owners will come and go my loyalty to the club wont
''"Marc has taken something on which is not his doing and he can't be faulted because he's doing everything right at the moment. '' ehhhhh wasn t it him who put us in admin to get his money back so hes the reason we have 6 points adrift?????? or am i wrong???? i like the guy/hink he is in it for long haul but surely paying off creditors would have been sure fire way to get points back ? i will support them whichever division they are in anyways and owners will come and go my loyalty to the club wont Loyalbull1981
  • Score: 3

1:20pm Fri 13 Jun 14

taurusthebull says...

I think the fans would get behind the board IF.......... we had some idea of WHAT is ACTUALLY being done . It's ok asking for backing but you have to know What you are backing , but Nothing is coming out from Odsal.
you want trust , then give us some information and let us judge that , the days of BLIND FAITH have gone . If we saw gradual improvement in the on-field performances we would be more willing , but one week we are ok the next its diabolical, I understand with such a small squad we cannot rotate like other teams, but it keeps being spouted "we are a tight knit team" well lets see some of it , because shipping 40-50 points a match tells me somebody dropped more than a few stitches!!!!
If FC needs help then say so , bring in the likes of Matt Calland , doesn't have to be a "Noble " big name , but someone willing to kick some **** now and again.
Rant over !
I think the fans would get behind the board IF.......... we had some idea of WHAT is ACTUALLY being done . It's ok asking for backing but you have to know What you are backing , but Nothing is coming out from Odsal. you want trust , then give us some information and let us judge that , the days of BLIND FAITH have gone . If we saw gradual improvement in the on-field performances we would be more willing , but one week we are ok the next its diabolical, I understand with such a small squad we cannot rotate like other teams, but it keeps being spouted "we are a tight knit team" well lets see some of it , because shipping 40-50 points a match tells me somebody dropped more than a few stitches!!!! If FC needs help then say so , bring in the likes of Matt Calland , doesn't have to be a "Noble " big name , but someone willing to kick some **** now and again. Rant over ! taurusthebull
  • Score: 3

1:31pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Videoref says...

Think something has to be done quickly because the way we attack & defend, we will not be successful and winning games even in the Championship. Then the supporters will really vote with their feet-result? RIP Bradford Bulls
Think something has to be done quickly because the way we attack & defend, we will not be successful and winning games even in the Championship. Then the supporters will really vote with their feet-result? RIP Bradford Bulls Videoref
  • Score: 2

1:31pm Fri 13 Jun 14

raisemeup says...

caledonia15 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Raisemeup, you stick with a team through thick and thin. I was just as likely to buy a season ticket for City in League 2 as I was the Premier league.

If your just there for the glory days then you ain't a proper fan.
Fair comment, but i think there are a lot of genuine bulls fans who are totally drained by whats gone on up art Odsal over the last few years. I have been there for the wonderful days when we were in the sun, but have also seen far too many days in the shade.
This latest fiasco really makes me wonder of its worth carrying on, i have put my hard earned brass into buckets, appeals etc, bought merchandise, season tickets, gone to social events and followed the team home and away, but i am really wondering the way professional R.L. is being run by a totally inept set up and the mess at Odsal if its worth putting my money into it anymore.
This is a viewpoint shared by many true and loyal supporters, whether it's right or wrong is not the issue, the fact is they think it, and the many twists and turns we all have witnessed over a good few years, has not always left us supporters in a good place.
The one thing we all identify with is the performance on the field of play...you may say it's the only barometer we have of how well the club is doing.
Unfortunately due to circumstances that was way out of the control of us fans, we have been sucked into the inner workings of the club, big style.
It has had it's effect, as we can see by the low gates.
I would refute the comment by TVOR, how can he know who is a true supporter or otherwise, as the saying goes to know the man/women you have to walk in his her shoes for 2 miles ( With TVOR all he would have is an extra pair of shoes ) I know for a fact that dismay is the order of the day, not blame, because whatever anyone says we have had people at the Club who cared deeply about our present circumstances, and like you, me and many others have invested as much as they could to keep us afloat.
like you Caledonia me and my family have donated sums of cash to help, but more than that we have, and probably still will have, faith in the future.
We support the team and the Management, what else can we do.
Answers on a post card TVOR..
[quote][p][bold]caledonia15[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Raisemeup, you stick with a team through thick and thin. I was just as likely to buy a season ticket for City in League 2 as I was the Premier league. If your just there for the glory days then you ain't a proper fan.[/p][/quote]Fair comment, but i think there are a lot of genuine bulls fans who are totally drained by whats gone on up art Odsal over the last few years. I have been there for the wonderful days when we were in the sun, but have also seen far too many days in the shade. This latest fiasco really makes me wonder of its worth carrying on, i have put my hard earned brass into buckets, appeals etc, bought merchandise, season tickets, gone to social events and followed the team home and away, but i am really wondering the way professional R.L. is being run by a totally inept set up and the mess at Odsal if its worth putting my money into it anymore.[/p][/quote]This is a viewpoint shared by many true and loyal supporters, whether it's right or wrong is not the issue, the fact is they think it, and the many twists and turns we all have witnessed over a good few years, has not always left us supporters in a good place. The one thing we all identify with is the performance on the field of play...you may say it's the only barometer we have of how well the club is doing. Unfortunately due to circumstances that was way out of the control of us fans, we have been sucked into the inner workings of the club, big style. It has had it's effect, as we can see by the low gates. I would refute the comment by TVOR, how can he know who is a true supporter or otherwise, as the saying goes to know the man/women you have to walk in his her shoes for 2 miles ( With TVOR all he would have is an extra pair of shoes ) I know for a fact that dismay is the order of the day, not blame, because whatever anyone says we have had people at the Club who cared deeply about our present circumstances, and like you, me and many others have invested as much as they could to keep us afloat. like you Caledonia me and my family have donated sums of cash to help, but more than that we have, and probably still will have, faith in the future. We support the team and the Management, what else can we do. Answers on a post card TVOR.. raisemeup
  • Score: 4

2:24pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Bull4Life says...

OdsalOptimist wrote:
Sense99 wrote:
Green "has done all he can" and "Marc has taken something on which is not his doing and he can't be faulted because he's doing everything right at the moment". These comments make me laugh. Once again the club thinks that a few pacifying words will make it all right. Well they don't. It was not Green's doing, but he must of known what he was getting into. Surely he knew the Bulls would be docked 6 points- if not he lives on a different planet to the rest of us. So he knew he would need to spend lots of money - which he has not. If he didn't want to dip into his pockets, why not let someone else buy the club ? We now start to see to hear the slow U-turn, previously al those in charge were totally positive we would stay up, now they say they will rebuild the club to its former status whatever happens. To be honest I am totally underwhelmed and not impressed by what I have seen so far. We all know there are players about (Salford, Wakey, etc can find them). Why do we need both Ferres and RHP (who has gone so quiet) - get rid of one of them and put it towards buying a player. Seems like plan A was get 6 points back, and plan B was - well plan A. What great business sense - NOT ! My cynical mind says Green wanted a club on the cheap and he got one.
Why would these players want to join a team that regularly ships 50 points and clearly has a different training style to other teams (i.e. the injuries - Look @ the injury prone Scruton at Wakey).
If you are a young player / out of favour player, you would be better playing at one of the championship sides where the games are more competitive than the vast majority of our games this year.
Exactly OdsalOptimist - and you only have to look at Kaufusi for a prime example! Where was he last night against the Rhinos? oh that's right, not even in contention for a place, yet he'd rather that than play regular first team rugby with the Bulls for the rest of the season - and the fans had really warmed to him too!

It doesn't matter whether there are players available or not, the fact is, none of them would be interested in the mess that is the bradford bulls right now.

I and my partner have been season ticket holders for the last 3 seasons, and we too put money into the collection buckets etc. And we will both be there next season whichever league we are in.

We, like many others, are true fans, and true fans don't need any rallying calls from above - all we need to see is effort, commitment and desire on the pitch. There's no disgrace in losing if you tried your best. Unfortunately thus far there have been very few occasions where that has been the case, and that is down to players not having the right mentality. Too many are walking out of the tunnel feeling sorry for themselves. We know we're going down, it would take a miracle not to, but lets go down having restored some pride and dignity! Show some fighting spirit in the games that remain and supporters will stay on the terraces. It's not too much to ask in return for their £20 entrance fee is it?

COYB!
[quote][p][bold]OdsalOptimist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sense99[/bold] wrote: Green "has done all he can" and "Marc has taken something on which is not his doing and he can't be faulted because he's doing everything right at the moment". These comments make me laugh. Once again the club thinks that a few pacifying words will make it all right. Well they don't. It was not Green's doing, but he must of known what he was getting into. Surely he knew the Bulls would be docked 6 points- if not he lives on a different planet to the rest of us. So he knew he would need to spend lots of money - which he has not. If he didn't want to dip into his pockets, why not let someone else buy the club ? We now start to see to hear the slow U-turn, previously al those in charge were totally positive we would stay up, now they say they will rebuild the club to its former status whatever happens. To be honest I am totally underwhelmed and not impressed by what I have seen so far. We all know there are players about (Salford, Wakey, etc can find them). Why do we need both Ferres and RHP (who has gone so quiet) - get rid of one of them and put it towards buying a player. Seems like plan A was get 6 points back, and plan B was - well plan A. What great business sense - NOT ! My cynical mind says Green wanted a club on the cheap and he got one.[/p][/quote]Why would these players want to join a team that regularly ships 50 points and clearly has a different training style to other teams (i.e. the injuries - Look @ the injury prone Scruton at Wakey). If you are a young player / out of favour player, you would be better playing at one of the championship sides where the games are more competitive than the vast majority of our games this year.[/p][/quote]Exactly OdsalOptimist - and you only have to look at Kaufusi for a prime example! Where was he last night against the Rhinos? oh that's right, not even in contention for a place, yet he'd rather that than play regular first team rugby with the Bulls for the rest of the season - and the fans had really warmed to him too! It doesn't matter whether there are players available or not, the fact is, none of them would be interested in the mess that is the bradford bulls right now. I and my partner have been season ticket holders for the last 3 seasons, and we too put money into the collection buckets etc. And we will both be there next season whichever league we are in. We, like many others, are true fans, and true fans don't need any rallying calls from above - all we need to see is effort, commitment and desire on the pitch. There's no disgrace in losing if you tried your best. Unfortunately thus far there have been very few occasions where that has been the case, and that is down to players not having the right mentality. Too many are walking out of the tunnel feeling sorry for themselves. We know we're going down, it would take a miracle not to, but lets go down having restored some pride and dignity! Show some fighting spirit in the games that remain and supporters will stay on the terraces. It's not too much to ask in return for their £20 entrance fee is it? COYB! Bull4Life
  • Score: 3

2:38pm Fri 13 Jun 14

portugalbull says...

Steve, Getting the trust of the supporters is a two way thing. No longer do supporters follow in blind faith as there are many other attractions they can spend their time on. Also in this day there is not the cash about.they
The events of the last few years have taken there toll and a lot of what has gone on has never been explained leaving questions unanswered. Transparency is necessary and yes we accept not all business can be up front as this would be a disadvantage when dealing with others but at least an outline of what is being attempted would be good.
Most of my beef is with the amateurs of the RFL and their handling over the period, but I don't suppose we'll ever get answers there.
As to the team most of us will support them providing we see enthusiasm, a bit of aggression and fight so we can accept their doing their best on our behalf.
Steve, Getting the trust of the supporters is a two way thing. No longer do supporters follow in blind faith as there are many other attractions they can spend their time on. Also in this day there is not the cash about.they The events of the last few years have taken there toll and a lot of what has gone on has never been explained leaving questions unanswered. Transparency is necessary and yes we accept not all business can be up front as this would be a disadvantage when dealing with others but at least an outline of what is being attempted would be good. Most of my beef is with the amateurs of the RFL and their handling over the period, but I don't suppose we'll ever get answers there. As to the team most of us will support them providing we see enthusiasm, a bit of aggression and fight so we can accept their doing their best on our behalf. portugalbull
  • Score: 4

3:17pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Paul from Idle says...

Marc Greene has to understand that when you run a business you have invest upfront to develop the product to make it attractive to purchase by customers. Apple don't say buy this inferior product and the we will develop better phones.
He has to dig deep see his investment improve the team and then take his profit.....simple business really.
Marc Greene has to understand that when you run a business you have invest upfront to develop the product to make it attractive to purchase by customers. Apple don't say buy this inferior product and the we will develop better phones. He has to dig deep see his investment improve the team and then take his profit.....simple business really. Paul from Idle
  • Score: 4

3:24pm Fri 13 Jun 14

pjbull says...

Dear Mr Ferres
This is an excellent and heart-felt message - which ought to have been directed at the players and coaches when Mr Green tookover. An ultimatum needed to have been issued after the Wigan humiliation followed with action being taken within a month of that. If it was possible to get Brian Noble back in, you may have found that performances improved, that the supporters and players would have had more belief that we can avoid relegation, and that the supporters had more belief that Marc Green was genuine in intent. From all this, you would have found more supporters on the terraces who were "buying-in" to whatever Mr Green is trying to achieve.
As it is, the performances have been shocking, the belief amongst players and supporters pretty much at rock-bottom, and doubt amongst the supporters regarding the owner and his intentions.
Supporters will be swayed by positive action and evidently, whether thay are right or wrong, they don't seem to think they have seen any.
Yours sincerely,
Believe-it-when-i-se
e-it
Dear Mr Ferres This is an excellent and heart-felt message - which ought to have been directed at the players and coaches when Mr Green tookover. An ultimatum needed to have been issued after the Wigan humiliation followed with action being taken within a month of that. If it was possible to get Brian Noble back in, you may have found that performances improved, that the supporters and players would have had more belief that we can avoid relegation, and that the supporters had more belief that Marc Green was genuine in intent. From all this, you would have found more supporters on the terraces who were "buying-in" to whatever Mr Green is trying to achieve. As it is, the performances have been shocking, the belief amongst players and supporters pretty much at rock-bottom, and doubt amongst the supporters regarding the owner and his intentions. Supporters will be swayed by positive action and evidently, whether thay are right or wrong, they don't seem to think they have seen any. Yours sincerely, Believe-it-when-i-se e-it pjbull
  • Score: 3

4:47pm Fri 13 Jun 14

mmmbeefy says...

It's a great message from Mr Ferres.

Unfortunately, it's about 2 years too late. Massive damage has been done to the club and it's reputation and begging for fans to come back when nothing has visibly changed is not going to help.

It's all very well calling for supporters to turn out, but given everything we the fans have had to suffer through over the last 7 years, watching this once might club fail, there comes a time when people will just turn round and say "Enough is enough" and they will walk away and that will be the last you see of them. Don't believe me? Take a look at the empty spaces at Odsal on match days.

Can anyone say they've seen anything happening at the club since Mr Green took over to either suggest we are going to start moving forward or that we already have? I don't see it.

What I see is a board who have large question marks over their heads as to how long they're going to stick around (BTW Mr Ferres, having to state the chairman isn't planning on running for the hills if the club get relegated is not the way to inspire any confidence in him, in fact it just raises further red flags over his commitment to the club), I also see a young coach out of his depth with a backroom staff who've no more idea on how to fix the on field mess than he has and a squad of badly motivated, coached and trained players who, despite the constant "We're gonna stay up" stories printed in the T&A and splashed all over Facebook continuously turn out lacklustre performances week in and week out and in all honesty are stealing wages
It's a great message from Mr Ferres. Unfortunately, it's about 2 years too late. Massive damage has been done to the club and it's reputation and begging for fans to come back when nothing has visibly changed is not going to help. It's all very well calling for supporters to turn out, but given everything we the fans have had to suffer through over the last 7 years, watching this once might club fail, there comes a time when people will just turn round and say "Enough is enough" and they will walk away and that will be the last you see of them. Don't believe me? Take a look at the empty spaces at Odsal on match days. Can anyone say they've seen anything happening at the club since Mr Green took over to either suggest we are going to start moving forward or that we already have? I don't see it. What I see is a board who have large question marks over their heads as to how long they're going to stick around (BTW Mr Ferres, having to state the chairman isn't planning on running for the hills if the club get relegated is not the way to inspire any confidence in him, in fact it just raises further red flags over his commitment to the club), I also see a young coach out of his depth with a backroom staff who've no more idea on how to fix the on field mess than he has and a squad of badly motivated, coached and trained players who, despite the constant "We're gonna stay up" stories printed in the T&A and splashed all over Facebook continuously turn out lacklustre performances week in and week out and in all honesty are stealing wages mmmbeefy
  • Score: 4

5:23pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Phill G says...

As somebody now in their 47th year of following the club, I am right behind Marc. He is a wealthy but a shrewd business man who has brought some sense to this sorry affair.
Much as I would love someone with more money than sense coming in, I want my club to be run properly with the interests of the fans at heart - he is doing that and creating a sustainable business.
I want my club to succeed because it is run properly, not forever indebted to a Koukash or Abramovic type of figure .
As somebody now in their 47th year of following the club, I am right behind Marc. He is a wealthy but a shrewd business man who has brought some sense to this sorry affair. Much as I would love someone with more money than sense coming in, I want my club to be run properly with the interests of the fans at heart - he is doing that and creating a sustainable business. I want my club to succeed because it is run properly, not forever indebted to a Koukash or Abramovic type of figure . Phill G
  • Score: 1

5:42pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Sense99 says...

All I can say is actions speak louder than words, and Green has done nothing secure us in SL. So he has failed...

Of course players would come and play for us. If we had a coach they believed in and we were improving which we are not. FC is out of his depth.

As for Ferres asking the fans to get behind the club - he needs to crawl back under the rock he came from. The fans are sick and tired of owners making false promises, putting money in collection buckets and wasting money watching a team that show no improvement. When Green took over he totally implied he would put money in - he has NOT, he also said he would do everything possible to ensure we avoided relegation - he has NOT. SO basically he lied to the fans.
All I can say is actions speak louder than words, and Green has done nothing secure us in SL. So he has failed... Of course players would come and play for us. If we had a coach they believed in and we were improving which we are not. FC is out of his depth. As for Ferres asking the fans to get behind the club - he needs to crawl back under the rock he came from. The fans are sick and tired of owners making false promises, putting money in collection buckets and wasting money watching a team that show no improvement. When Green took over he totally implied he would put money in - he has NOT, he also said he would do everything possible to ensure we avoided relegation - he has NOT. SO basically he lied to the fans. Sense99
  • Score: 0

5:53pm Fri 13 Jun 14

caledonia15 says...

raisemeup wrote:
caledonia15 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Raisemeup, you stick with a team through thick and thin. I was just as likely to buy a season ticket for City in League 2 as I was the Premier league.

If your just there for the glory days then you ain't a proper fan.
Fair comment, but i think there are a lot of genuine bulls fans who are totally drained by whats gone on up art Odsal over the last few years. I have been there for the wonderful days when we were in the sun, but have also seen far too many days in the shade.
This latest fiasco really makes me wonder of its worth carrying on, i have put my hard earned brass into buckets, appeals etc, bought merchandise, season tickets, gone to social events and followed the team home and away, but i am really wondering the way professional R.L. is being run by a totally inept set up and the mess at Odsal if its worth putting my money into it anymore.
This is a viewpoint shared by many true and loyal supporters, whether it's right or wrong is not the issue, the fact is they think it, and the many twists and turns we all have witnessed over a good few years, has not always left us supporters in a good place.
The one thing we all identify with is the performance on the field of play...you may say it's the only barometer we have of how well the club is doing.
Unfortunately due to circumstances that was way out of the control of us fans, we have been sucked into the inner workings of the club, big style.
It has had it's effect, as we can see by the low gates.
I would refute the comment by TVOR, how can he know who is a true supporter or otherwise, as the saying goes to know the man/women you have to walk in his her shoes for 2 miles ( With TVOR all he would have is an extra pair of shoes ) I know for a fact that dismay is the order of the day, not blame, because whatever anyone says we have had people at the Club who cared deeply about our present circumstances, and like you, me and many others have invested as much as they could to keep us afloat.
like you Caledonia me and my family have donated sums of cash to help, but more than that we have, and probably still will have, faith in the future.
We support the team and the Management, what else can we do.
Answers on a post card TVOR..
I greatly admire your faith and commitment to the cause raisemeup, but for me i think it will be a case of see how things develop, i have had enough after these last few years, i have been going up to Odsal since my very early years and now at the age of 59 - a life long supporter i am drained by it all, i can take watching the team loose, but some of the abject performances this season are totally unacceptable, the messing about that has gone on with the constant changing of owners, the way we were expected to compete in S.L. these last 2 years on half sky money is beyond comprehension.
Now i for one cant wait for this season to end, i don't really want to go to watch the games anymore, you just don't if you are going to watch a team put in total commitment or suffer a load of dross which sadly has been the norm this season. I am going to watch the next 6 months or so up at Odsal from a distance, and see if all these statements coming from Mr Green/ Ferris etc actually mean something, i really do hope the faithful who have backed the club over the last few years are rewarded with a team who are proud to wear the shirt and perform out on the pitch at Odsal, - they deserve nothing less.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]caledonia15[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Raisemeup, you stick with a team through thick and thin. I was just as likely to buy a season ticket for City in League 2 as I was the Premier league. If your just there for the glory days then you ain't a proper fan.[/p][/quote]Fair comment, but i think there are a lot of genuine bulls fans who are totally drained by whats gone on up art Odsal over the last few years. I have been there for the wonderful days when we were in the sun, but have also seen far too many days in the shade. This latest fiasco really makes me wonder of its worth carrying on, i have put my hard earned brass into buckets, appeals etc, bought merchandise, season tickets, gone to social events and followed the team home and away, but i am really wondering the way professional R.L. is being run by a totally inept set up and the mess at Odsal if its worth putting my money into it anymore.[/p][/quote]This is a viewpoint shared by many true and loyal supporters, whether it's right or wrong is not the issue, the fact is they think it, and the many twists and turns we all have witnessed over a good few years, has not always left us supporters in a good place. The one thing we all identify with is the performance on the field of play...you may say it's the only barometer we have of how well the club is doing. Unfortunately due to circumstances that was way out of the control of us fans, we have been sucked into the inner workings of the club, big style. It has had it's effect, as we can see by the low gates. I would refute the comment by TVOR, how can he know who is a true supporter or otherwise, as the saying goes to know the man/women you have to walk in his her shoes for 2 miles ( With TVOR all he would have is an extra pair of shoes ) I know for a fact that dismay is the order of the day, not blame, because whatever anyone says we have had people at the Club who cared deeply about our present circumstances, and like you, me and many others have invested as much as they could to keep us afloat. like you Caledonia me and my family have donated sums of cash to help, but more than that we have, and probably still will have, faith in the future. We support the team and the Management, what else can we do. Answers on a post card TVOR..[/p][/quote]I greatly admire your faith and commitment to the cause raisemeup, but for me i think it will be a case of see how things develop, i have had enough after these last few years, i have been going up to Odsal since my very early years and now at the age of 59 - a life long supporter i am drained by it all, i can take watching the team loose, but some of the abject performances this season are totally unacceptable, the messing about that has gone on with the constant changing of owners, the way we were expected to compete in S.L. these last 2 years on half sky money is beyond comprehension. Now i for one cant wait for this season to end, i don't really want to go to watch the games anymore, you just don't if you are going to watch a team put in total commitment or suffer a load of dross which sadly has been the norm this season. I am going to watch the next 6 months or so up at Odsal from a distance, and see if all these statements coming from Mr Green/ Ferris etc actually mean something, i really do hope the faithful who have backed the club over the last few years are rewarded with a team who are proud to wear the shirt and perform out on the pitch at Odsal, - they deserve nothing less. caledonia15
  • Score: 3

6:04pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Sad bull says...

Phill G wrote:
As somebody now in their 47th year of following the club, I am right behind Marc. He is a wealthy but a shrewd business man who has brought some sense to this sorry affair.
Much as I would love someone with more money than sense coming in, I want my club to be run properly with the interests of the fans at heart - he is doing that and creating a sustainable business.
I want my club to succeed because it is run properly, not forever indebted to a Koukash or Abramovic type of figure .
Are you serious. How do you know it is being run properly. Because somebody tells you so?

Sense is all well and good but when it equals stagnation on and off the field there is only one end result. Abject failure.

Sports clubs eat cash it is a well know fact but that is not to say a well run club can't be successful, but there has to be some investment up front or nothing will start and nothing will happen.

A shrewd business man invests in his business to make it successful and all I have seen from Marc Green is loan signings and a couple of interviews. Apart from buying the club on the cheap what has he actually invested.

A lot of Bulls fans are not as convinced as you seem to be in Marc Greens commitment to our cause.

Actions speak louder than words, but words is all we seem to get.

As for Mr Ferres, average player , average M D. A poor choice in my opinion.
Plenty of experience but not much of a track record when you look at the clubs he was involved in previously.

We should be hearing more from him than the rallying call every few weeks. By that I mean " tell us what the plan is ", if you want our support and our cash.

I have weathered the ups and downs since 1964 but have to say I have never been so frustrated at the lack of action / ideas coming out of our great club.

Rant over.
[quote][p][bold]Phill G[/bold] wrote: As somebody now in their 47th year of following the club, I am right behind Marc. He is a wealthy but a shrewd business man who has brought some sense to this sorry affair. Much as I would love someone with more money than sense coming in, I want my club to be run properly with the interests of the fans at heart - he is doing that and creating a sustainable business. I want my club to succeed because it is run properly, not forever indebted to a Koukash or Abramovic type of figure .[/p][/quote]Are you serious. How do you know it is being run properly. Because somebody tells you so? Sense is all well and good but when it equals stagnation on and off the field there is only one end result. Abject failure. Sports clubs eat cash it is a well know fact but that is not to say a well run club can't be successful, but there has to be some investment up front or nothing will start and nothing will happen. A shrewd business man invests in his business to make it successful and all I have seen from Marc Green is loan signings and a couple of interviews. Apart from buying the club on the cheap what has he actually invested. A lot of Bulls fans are not as convinced as you seem to be in Marc Greens commitment to our cause. Actions speak louder than words, but words is all we seem to get. As for Mr Ferres, average player , average M D. A poor choice in my opinion. Plenty of experience but not much of a track record when you look at the clubs he was involved in previously. We should be hearing more from him than the rallying call every few weeks. By that I mean " tell us what the plan is ", if you want our support and our cash. I have weathered the ups and downs since 1964 but have to say I have never been so frustrated at the lack of action / ideas coming out of our great club. Rant over. Sad bull
  • Score: 3

6:07pm Fri 13 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Sense 99,
Are you his accountant?.How the h*** do you know he has not put money in.What you mean is he has not bought players to strengthen the team.Which players in their right minds would rush to join a club that is on the brink of relegation.The club was already staring relegation in the face after the points deduction before Marc Green bought the club.What would you have him do?Pay over the odds in fees and wages for players who were here for the money with no interest whatsoever in how the club performed.You should not really have to be asked that question.Where has it got Salford?O.K. they will probably stay up but when Dr.Koukash bought the club and these players he stressed he was definitely expecting a top four placing and nothing else.How wrong could he have been buying players who did not give a toss as long as they drew their money.Is that what you want to see at Odsal or have you not seen enough of money being squandered at Odsal. I am guessing you are a new supporter or you would remember when they went out of business in the sixties.The club was known throughout the league by over the hill players as Butlins Holiday Camp for players wanting a holiday in their last years and earning good money for it.Is that what you want to see? You need to put your brain in gear before you make stupid statements and comments about things you know nothing about.
Sense 99, Are you his accountant?.How the h*** do you know he has not put money in.What you mean is he has not bought players to strengthen the team.Which players in their right minds would rush to join a club that is on the brink of relegation.The club was already staring relegation in the face after the points deduction before Marc Green bought the club.What would you have him do?Pay over the odds in fees and wages for players who were here for the money with no interest whatsoever in how the club performed.You should not really have to be asked that question.Where has it got Salford?O.K. they will probably stay up but when Dr.Koukash bought the club and these players he stressed he was definitely expecting a top four placing and nothing else.How wrong could he have been buying players who did not give a toss as long as they drew their money.Is that what you want to see at Odsal or have you not seen enough of money being squandered at Odsal. I am guessing you are a new supporter or you would remember when they went out of business in the sixties.The club was known throughout the league by over the hill players as Butlins Holiday Camp for players wanting a holiday in their last years and earning good money for it.Is that what you want to see? You need to put your brain in gear before you make stupid statements and comments about things you know nothing about. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 1

6:55pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Sense99 says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Sense 99,
Are you his accountant?.How the h*** do you know he has not put money in.What you mean is he has not bought players to strengthen the team.Which players in their right minds would rush to join a club that is on the brink of relegation.The club was already staring relegation in the face after the points deduction before Marc Green bought the club.What would you have him do?Pay over the odds in fees and wages for players who were here for the money with no interest whatsoever in how the club performed.You should not really have to be asked that question.Where has it got Salford?O.K. they will probably stay up but when Dr.Koukash bought the club and these players he stressed he was definitely expecting a top four placing and nothing else.How wrong could he have been buying players who did not give a toss as long as they drew their money.Is that what you want to see at Odsal or have you not seen enough of money being squandered at Odsal. I am guessing you are a new supporter or you would remember when they went out of business in the sixties.The club was known throughout the league by over the hill players as Butlins Holiday Camp for players wanting a holiday in their last years and earning good money for it.Is that what you want to see? You need to put your brain in gear before you make stupid statements and comments about things you know nothing about.
My brain is in gear. I think you are the stupid one. What makes you think you know more about the situation than me ?

Tell me what he has done other than buy a club on the cheap and make lots of promises he has failed to deliver. God knows how anyone can defend him. No one is asking him to waste his money, but where is his plan, other than try an get 6 points back ?

A new supporter - far from it, well over 50 and been going since I was 2 years old. How long have you been going ?

Well if he has put money in, it hasn't gone on players, and why wouldn't that be his first aim, to ensure you secured your investment and stayed in SL ?

Players would join the club, albeit it is too late now, if they saw we had a chance, they believed we were improving and they believed in what the coach and owners said. And yes he would have to pay over the odds, but that is the situation he club is in, which he knew before he bought it.

You need to take a realty check.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Sense 99, Are you his accountant?.How the h*** do you know he has not put money in.What you mean is he has not bought players to strengthen the team.Which players in their right minds would rush to join a club that is on the brink of relegation.The club was already staring relegation in the face after the points deduction before Marc Green bought the club.What would you have him do?Pay over the odds in fees and wages for players who were here for the money with no interest whatsoever in how the club performed.You should not really have to be asked that question.Where has it got Salford?O.K. they will probably stay up but when Dr.Koukash bought the club and these players he stressed he was definitely expecting a top four placing and nothing else.How wrong could he have been buying players who did not give a toss as long as they drew their money.Is that what you want to see at Odsal or have you not seen enough of money being squandered at Odsal. I am guessing you are a new supporter or you would remember when they went out of business in the sixties.The club was known throughout the league by over the hill players as Butlins Holiday Camp for players wanting a holiday in their last years and earning good money for it.Is that what you want to see? You need to put your brain in gear before you make stupid statements and comments about things you know nothing about.[/p][/quote]My brain is in gear. I think you are the stupid one. What makes you think you know more about the situation than me ? Tell me what he has done other than buy a club on the cheap and make lots of promises he has failed to deliver. God knows how anyone can defend him. No one is asking him to waste his money, but where is his plan, other than try an get 6 points back ? A new supporter - far from it, well over 50 and been going since I was 2 years old. How long have you been going ? Well if he has put money in, it hasn't gone on players, and why wouldn't that be his first aim, to ensure you secured your investment and stayed in SL ? Players would join the club, albeit it is too late now, if they saw we had a chance, they believed we were improving and they believed in what the coach and owners said. And yes he would have to pay over the odds, but that is the situation he club is in, which he knew before he bought it. You need to take a realty check. Sense99
  • Score: 2

9:49pm Fri 13 Jun 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

there is one thing at Bradford that cannot be question and that is the fans getting behind the team; there are no other fans in Rugby (either code) that have been through what we have in the last few seasons.

I suggest that the Board are the ones that need to get behind the team and show the fans that this is not just a money recoupment exercise by Green.
He needs to s**t or get off the pot.

Green like Cummins seems to have no plan B.

He has done nothing to strengthen the team and FC has had to beg borrow and steal players to get a team on the pitch each week, not what paying fans want to see.
there is one thing at Bradford that cannot be question and that is the fans getting behind the team; there are no other fans in Rugby (either code) that have been through what we have in the last few seasons. I suggest that the Board are the ones that need to get behind the team and show the fans that this is not just a money recoupment exercise by Green. He needs to s**t or get off the pot. Green like Cummins seems to have no plan B. He has done nothing to strengthen the team and FC has had to beg borrow and steal players to get a team on the pitch each week, not what paying fans want to see. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 4

10:00pm Fri 13 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

sense 99,
I never said I know more than you.What I said you do not know either.Once again you are just surmising.You still have not told me what you think he should do.If you are going to criticise make it constructive and tell us what he should do.For the record I have been watching Northern/Bulls a lot longer than you have but I know people who have watched longer than I have.1950 when I was 7 years old,that when I saw my first game at Odsal and have been watching ever since,so yes,I think I do know a bit about the game.
sense 99, I never said I know more than you.What I said you do not know either.Once again you are just surmising.You still have not told me what you think he should do.If you are going to criticise make it constructive and tell us what he should do.For the record I have been watching Northern/Bulls a lot longer than you have but I know people who have watched longer than I have.1950 when I was 7 years old,that when I saw my first game at Odsal and have been watching ever since,so yes,I think I do know a bit about the game. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 0

10:19pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Wildcats hammered another nail in the coffin tonight.

So much for Broncos daydreaming of 6 points back, a Broncos win and a Bulls win. Pretty much the opposite has happened.
Wildcats hammered another nail in the coffin tonight. So much for Broncos daydreaming of 6 points back, a Broncos win and a Bulls win. Pretty much the opposite has happened. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 0

10:20pm Fri 13 Jun 14

tunnel end al says...

northern pig wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Raisemeup, you stick with a team through thick and thin. I was just as likely to buy a season ticket for City in League 2 as I was the Premier league.

If your just there for the glory days then you ain't a proper fan.
Absolutely,I have stood on the Odsal terraces since 1958 good times and bad It's been a roller coaster ride,I have shed tears in Victory and defeat.It's been a hell of ride so far.Most of the glory hunters,have already jumped ship.I think we wil be looking at an hard core of 4000 next year but we will survive.
I totally agree I have stood on the grassy bank at odsal in the rain ,sleet and snow ,and sometimes a bit of sun, good times will be back at odsal of that I a sure, we must stick together If we do go down and make the bulls a great team to watch an follow home and away
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Raisemeup, you stick with a team through thick and thin. I was just as likely to buy a season ticket for City in League 2 as I was the Premier league. If your just there for the glory days then you ain't a proper fan.[/p][/quote]Absolutely,I have stood on the Odsal terraces since 1958 good times and bad It's been a roller coaster ride,I have shed tears in Victory and defeat.It's been a hell of ride so far.Most of the glory hunters,have already jumped ship.I think we wil be looking at an hard core of 4000 next year but we will survive.[/p][/quote]I totally agree I have stood on the grassy bank at odsal in the rain ,sleet and snow ,and sometimes a bit of sun, good times will be back at odsal of that I a sure, we must stick together If we do go down and make the bulls a great team to watch an follow home and away tunnel end al
  • Score: 0

10:37pm Fri 13 Jun 14

tunnel end al says...

unfortunately most of the best players will go If we go down, already heard that luke gale is off to cas, shame if he is but cannot blame him if it is true ? would be nice to keep some first teamers and get the supporters to follow the team should we go down, we still have points to play for and with a few decisions going our way,(if the bent refs stop giving everything to the opposition ) we can still stay up come on the people of Bradford lets get behind the lads and Mr Green
unfortunately most of the best players will go If we go down, already heard that luke gale is off to cas, shame if he is but cannot blame him if it is true ? would be nice to keep some first teamers and get the supporters to follow the team should we go down, we still have points to play for and with a few decisions going our way,(if the bent refs stop giving everything to the opposition ) we can still stay up come on the people of Bradford lets get behind the lads and Mr Green tunnel end al
  • Score: 0

2:19am Sat 14 Jun 14

portugalbull says...

Steve you have had many and various responses. I hope you read these replies and formulate a response.
Most of the supporters are sympathetic to FC but comment on lack of experience. I advocated for him to be given assistance but fear now will be too late
Similarly, whilst acknowledging players of the right capability are few and far between, there has been no reports or rumors, of any players being tried for, except on loan.
The noise from the board seems to have concentrating on the recovery of the 6 points and whilst I and some others believe we have been shafted by the RFL, we have repeatedly posted that effort should be made to gain points on the field so that getting the 6 back would be unnecessary.
The management we are told is concentrating on the business but management frequently has to juggle many balls without dropping one.
There has been lack of information and in some cases misinformation in the past so the management has to regain the supporters trust.
Over all many supporters like myself are long term fans (my first match I am told was 1947 Wembley Final) and we will forever be Bulls (Northern) even from this distance.
So I look forward to your response before you have to plead for further support.
Steve you have had many and various responses. I hope you read these replies and formulate a response. Most of the supporters are sympathetic to FC but comment on lack of experience. I advocated for him to be given assistance but fear now will be too late Similarly, whilst acknowledging players of the right capability are few and far between, there has been no reports or rumors, of any players being tried for, except on loan. The noise from the board seems to have concentrating on the recovery of the 6 points and whilst I and some others believe we have been shafted by the RFL, we have repeatedly posted that effort should be made to gain points on the field so that getting the 6 back would be unnecessary. The management we are told is concentrating on the business but management frequently has to juggle many balls without dropping one. There has been lack of information and in some cases misinformation in the past so the management has to regain the supporters trust. Over all many supporters like myself are long term fans (my first match I am told was 1947 Wembley Final) and we will forever be Bulls (Northern) even from this distance. So I look forward to your response before you have to plead for further support. portugalbull
  • Score: 2

7:50am Sat 14 Jun 14

Sad bull says...

portugalbull wrote:
Steve you have had many and various responses. I hope you read these replies and formulate a response.
Most of the supporters are sympathetic to FC but comment on lack of experience. I advocated for him to be given assistance but fear now will be too late
Similarly, whilst acknowledging players of the right capability are few and far between, there has been no reports or rumors, of any players being tried for, except on loan.
The noise from the board seems to have concentrating on the recovery of the 6 points and whilst I and some others believe we have been shafted by the RFL, we have repeatedly posted that effort should be made to gain points on the field so that getting the 6 back would be unnecessary.
The management we are told is concentrating on the business but management frequently has to juggle many balls without dropping one.
There has been lack of information and in some cases misinformation in the past so the management has to regain the supporters trust.
Over all many supporters like myself are long term fans (my first match I am told was 1947 Wembley Final) and we will forever be Bulls (Northern) even from this distance.
So I look forward to your response before you have to plead for further support.
Seems to me we have gone from one extreme to the other.

For years success on the field was all that mattered and the " business " was incidental.

Now all the focus is running the business correctly with the rugby side seen as very much secondary.

Marc Green needs to understand that the business IS rugby and you need to succeed in both.

He should have been much more proactive in trying to stay up by winning as many games as possible by ensuring we had a competitive team, rather than what seems to be the case, making sure the business is the best run in the championship.

Unless of course that was the plan all along.
[quote][p][bold]portugalbull[/bold] wrote: Steve you have had many and various responses. I hope you read these replies and formulate a response. Most of the supporters are sympathetic to FC but comment on lack of experience. I advocated for him to be given assistance but fear now will be too late Similarly, whilst acknowledging players of the right capability are few and far between, there has been no reports or rumors, of any players being tried for, except on loan. The noise from the board seems to have concentrating on the recovery of the 6 points and whilst I and some others believe we have been shafted by the RFL, we have repeatedly posted that effort should be made to gain points on the field so that getting the 6 back would be unnecessary. The management we are told is concentrating on the business but management frequently has to juggle many balls without dropping one. There has been lack of information and in some cases misinformation in the past so the management has to regain the supporters trust. Over all many supporters like myself are long term fans (my first match I am told was 1947 Wembley Final) and we will forever be Bulls (Northern) even from this distance. So I look forward to your response before you have to plead for further support.[/p][/quote]Seems to me we have gone from one extreme to the other. For years success on the field was all that mattered and the " business " was incidental. Now all the focus is running the business correctly with the rugby side seen as very much secondary. Marc Green needs to understand that the business IS rugby and you need to succeed in both. He should have been much more proactive in trying to stay up by winning as many games as possible by ensuring we had a competitive team, rather than what seems to be the case, making sure the business is the best run in the championship. Unless of course that was the plan all along. Sad bull
  • Score: 4

10:09am Sat 14 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Sadbull,
That is a fine sentiment but as you know R.L. is a business and a sport nowadays.Neglecting the business side has got us into this mess now somebody has to sort it out.As for signing players,remember,we are still in special measures,we cannot sign overseas players,why?,I do not know you will have to ask Red Hall that question.Some posters on here are looking for instant success,it just does not happen,never has done and never will.Ask Dr.Koukash that.Unfortunately,i
n my opinion the only way forward now for the Bulls is to rebuild the club on the business and the playing side in the Championship and I believe Marc Green is the man to do that.I may be wrong,time will tell but the club could not carry on being run as it has been for the last five or six years.As a previous poster said a lot of us have seen far worse situations at Odsal over the years.
Sadbull, That is a fine sentiment but as you know R.L. is a business and a sport nowadays.Neglecting the business side has got us into this mess now somebody has to sort it out.As for signing players,remember,we are still in special measures,we cannot sign overseas players,why?,I do not know you will have to ask Red Hall that question.Some posters on here are looking for instant success,it just does not happen,never has done and never will.Ask Dr.Koukash that.Unfortunately,i n my opinion the only way forward now for the Bulls is to rebuild the club on the business and the playing side in the Championship and I believe Marc Green is the man to do that.I may be wrong,time will tell but the club could not carry on being run as it has been for the last five or six years.As a previous poster said a lot of us have seen far worse situations at Odsal over the years. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: -1

12:16pm Sat 14 Jun 14

raisemeup says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Sadbull,
That is a fine sentiment but as you know R.L. is a business and a sport nowadays.Neglecting the business side has got us into this mess now somebody has to sort it out.As for signing players,remember,we are still in special measures,we cannot sign overseas players,why?,I do not know you will have to ask Red Hall that question.Some posters on here are looking for instant success,it just does not happen,never has done and never will.Ask Dr.Koukash that.Unfortunately,i

n my opinion the only way forward now for the Bulls is to rebuild the club on the business and the playing side in the Championship and I believe Marc Green is the man to do that.I may be wrong,time will tell but the club could not carry on being run as it has been for the last five or six years.As a previous poster said a lot of us have seen far worse situations at Odsal over the years.
True we have seen worse at Odsal, but realistically the reduced T/over of £1m, in 2010 with a loss of £311k plus against a loss in 2009 of £78k, plus the Harris saga, which cost us an estimated 6 figure sum ( £550k ish was a figure I read somewhere, paid over 3 years, didn't actually help our cause).
So the rot began to set in back in 2008/9/10. As far as I can see!
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Sadbull, That is a fine sentiment but as you know R.L. is a business and a sport nowadays.Neglecting the business side has got us into this mess now somebody has to sort it out.As for signing players,remember,we are still in special measures,we cannot sign overseas players,why?,I do not know you will have to ask Red Hall that question.Some posters on here are looking for instant success,it just does not happen,never has done and never will.Ask Dr.Koukash that.Unfortunately,i n my opinion the only way forward now for the Bulls is to rebuild the club on the business and the playing side in the Championship and I believe Marc Green is the man to do that.I may be wrong,time will tell but the club could not carry on being run as it has been for the last five or six years.As a previous poster said a lot of us have seen far worse situations at Odsal over the years.[/p][/quote]True we have seen worse at Odsal, but realistically the reduced T/over of £1m, in 2010 with a loss of £311k plus against a loss in 2009 of £78k, plus the Harris saga, which cost us an estimated 6 figure sum ( £550k ish was a figure I read somewhere, paid over 3 years, didn't actually help our cause). So the rot began to set in back in 2008/9/10. As far as I can see! raisemeup
  • Score: 1

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