Keighley and Ilkley MP Kris Hopkins calls for Bradford district to be split up

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: MP Kris Hopkins MP Kris Hopkins

Richer outlying areas of the district are masking the serious poverty in Bradford, an MP claims.

Keighley and Ilkley Tory MP Kris Hopkins issued the warning and said splitting up the district would be beneficial to all.

Mr Hopkins, former leader of Bradford Council, said removing areas such as Keighley and Ilkley from the ‘Bradford’ district would unmask deprivation. He said it would mean that Bradford would get the help it deserved because the measurements of poverty across the area would no longer be skewed by the richer outlying areas.

Speaking at Oxenhope Parish Council’s annual parish meeting, Mr Hopkins said it would also benefit his constituents who would be better served by having their own local government independent of Bradford’s.

He said: “It’s not about turning my back on Bradford. It’s about getting a decent return for the people that live in this area.”

He previously asked Parliament to set a timeline for a referendum to gain residents’ views on what could be the biggest change in local government in the district for 40 years.

But other MPs are split over disbanding the district, although it was agreed the wealthier parts often skewed deprivation factors.

Shipley Tory MP Philip Davies agreed with Mr Hopkins, saying most of his constituents do not feel affiliated to Bradford.

“People feel decisions are taken in Bradford and it is remote to them,” he said. “For example, the Menston decision to allow hundreds of homes to be built was made in Bradford against local will.

“It would be better to have a Shipley and Keighley local authority to ensure a greater affinity to the area.”

Bradford South Labour MP Gerry Sutcliffe said: “I understand what Kris is saying about poverty being masked but I do not want the district to be split.

“There is a lot happening with parliamentary boundary changes and there is so much uncertainty, with plans for elected police commissioners and mayors – people need stability. If there was to be any local government reorganisation the people of Bradford district have to be consulted.”

Bradford East Liberal Democrat MP David Ward said it was “sad” the former Council leader wanted to take the wealthy parts of the district away.

He said: “This will not help the inner- city areas of Bradford. If you look at why we have so many problems in Bradford, it was the indifference the Tories had when they were on the Council as the Bradford core area was not where their voters were.

“There was a lack of drive in the city centre regeneration as it was not seen as their problem.”

Newly-elected Bradford West Respect party MP George Galloway said: “I think this is in fact just a cynical attempt, dressed up as concern about poverty, to appeal to the self-interest of more affluent areas to remove themselves from the district, thus shrinking the tax base and therefore the income of the district to address these and many other problems. The fact is there is also much poverty in places like Keighley and other outlying areas that has not been properly addressed by this or previous governments and councils and many other pressing problems.”

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7:39am Sat 14 Apr 12

webess says...

For once I'm with GG.
For once I'm with GG. webess
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8:11am Sat 14 Apr 12

bradford rose says...

"It's not about turning my back on Bradford" Oh really? That's exactly what you're trying to do, after leaving it in ruins.
You should be put in stocks in the middle of the Urban garden for people to throw rotten tomatoes at, and kept there until Westfield start building, if ever.
"It's not about turning my back on Bradford" Oh really? That's exactly what you're trying to do, after leaving it in ruins. You should be put in stocks in the middle of the Urban garden for people to throw rotten tomatoes at, and kept there until Westfield start building, if ever. bradford rose
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8:27am Sat 14 Apr 12

huggy b says...

Agree with GG again, I'm getting worried! I see David Ward has forgotten his lot got into bed with the Tories and formed a coalition council during the "time of indifference" he speaks about. Must have selective memory. As for the Tories; "won't someone rid us of these turbulent toffs?"
Agree with GG again, I'm getting worried! I see David Ward has forgotten his lot got into bed with the Tories and formed a coalition council during the "time of indifference" he speaks about. Must have selective memory. As for the Tories; "won't someone rid us of these turbulent toffs?" huggy b
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8:58am Sat 14 Apr 12

parader no1 says...

Welcome to the world of politics. you stab me in the back and I will stab you
Welcome to the world of politics. you stab me in the back and I will stab you parader no1
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9:10am Sat 14 Apr 12

Up with the partridge says...

What is he talking about? I have just been to Keighley - what a dump. Far worse in places than most parts of Bradford.
What is he talking about? I have just been to Keighley - what a dump. Far worse in places than most parts of Bradford. Up with the partridge
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9:41am Sat 14 Apr 12

huggy b says...

Up with the partridge wrote:
What is he talking about? I have just been to Keighley - what a dump. Far worse in places than most parts of Bradford.
Hear Hear. Worked there for a year nearly a decade ago. Worse year of my life. It says a lot that I was delighted to get a job on a Low Moor industrial estate!
[quote][p][bold]Up with the partridge[/bold] wrote: What is he talking about? I have just been to Keighley - what a dump. Far worse in places than most parts of Bradford.[/p][/quote]Hear Hear. Worked there for a year nearly a decade ago. Worse year of my life. It says a lot that I was delighted to get a job on a Low Moor industrial estate! huggy b
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9:51am Sat 14 Apr 12

bingleybantam says...

Agree with Mr Hopkins. The Bingley area gets nothing from Bradford council. Majority of the people here have no ties with the old dump now for work or social life. The only time the council is interested in the rea is when it comes to the tax we pay or selling off land to developers. Bring on a split and build big bloody wall at the end of Canal Road for me!
Agree with Mr Hopkins. The Bingley area gets nothing from Bradford council. Majority of the people here have no ties with the old dump now for work or social life. The only time the council is interested in the rea is when it comes to the tax we pay or selling off land to developers. Bring on a split and build big bloody wall at the end of Canal Road for me! bingleybantam
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10:06am Sat 14 Apr 12

bhuna156 says...

It was Kris Hopkins who destroyed Bradford when he was leader of Bradford council by leaving us with the whole Westfield and Odeon fiasco, and now's he's Keighley and Ilkley MP he wants to split the district up! It makes me wonder if it was all part of a master plan to turn people against Bradford....
There should be an investigation into this man.
It was Kris Hopkins who destroyed Bradford when he was leader of Bradford council by leaving us with the whole Westfield and Odeon fiasco, and now's he's Keighley and Ilkley MP he wants to split the district up! It makes me wonder if it was all part of a master plan to turn people against Bradford.... There should be an investigation into this man. bhuna156
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10:10am Sat 14 Apr 12

bhuna156 says...

Also, I live in Oakworth and I'd rather be associated with Bradford than Keighley or Shipley - which are worse places and more of a dump in my opinion.
Also, I live in Oakworth and I'd rather be associated with Bradford than Keighley or Shipley - which are worse places and more of a dump in my opinion. bhuna156
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10:13am Sat 14 Apr 12

Joedavid says...

Lets make BD2 and BD10 independant too.
Not sure about keeping David Ward though, LibDems want the Odeon down.
Lets make BD2 and BD10 independant too. Not sure about keeping David Ward though, LibDems want the Odeon down. Joedavid
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10:25am Sat 14 Apr 12

Oliver Hardy says...

It's election time and all the worms are coming out of the woodwork (except GG).
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Anything to get the voters on their side; once that's done, they'll creep back into their sh!tholes once more (until the next time).
It's election time and all the worms are coming out of the woodwork (except GG). . Anything to get the voters on their side; once that's done, they'll creep back into their sh!tholes once more (until the next time). Oliver Hardy
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10:26am Sat 14 Apr 12

mark04 says...

Disgraceful, this man was responsible for the state Bradford city centre is in now.He now wants to be cut off from it.
The only person in my opinion who now is talking sense on most (not all) issues in Bradford is George Galloway,and I hope his party is given the chance on May 3rd to have some influence on the council.
Disgraceful, this man was responsible for the state Bradford city centre is in now.He now wants to be cut off from it. The only person in my opinion who now is talking sense on most (not all) issues in Bradford is George Galloway,and I hope his party is given the chance on May 3rd to have some influence on the council. mark04
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10:35am Sat 14 Apr 12

Mike Strutter says...

What's wrong with turning your back on bradford ?

Queensbury are first in the queue though !
What's wrong with turning your back on bradford ? Queensbury are first in the queue though ! Mike Strutter
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10:51am Sat 14 Apr 12

webess says...

Kris Hopkins is talking nonsense. Govt stats for deprivation and just about everything else are calculated by post code..
Kris Hopkins is talking nonsense. Govt stats for deprivation and just about everything else are calculated by post code.. webess
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11:38am Sat 14 Apr 12

jonathancrewdson says...

I think this issue is far more complicated. If you go to the continent most local authorities cover much smaller areas. A town the size of Keighley and a small surrounding area would have its own municipal council but there again Ilkley probably would with a chunk of Wharfedale added in. It's all about an area people identify with and focused on a town or city that people regularly go to for work, shopping, leisure, etc.

Over here since 1974 we've had the largest and most remote structures in the EU except for Ireland plus they have bugger all powers and finance compared with their continental counterparts.

I do agree the district should be split into smaller councils but this should be part of a wider reorganisation of local authorities and devolution of powers to them.

And I think it is arrogant of Kris Hopkins to assume places like Steeton, Eastburn and Addingham, which used to be part of the Skipton Rural District, and Silsden which used to have its own council, want to be put in with Keighley. Given the choice they might want to look to Craven in North Yorkshire.
I think this issue is far more complicated. If you go to the continent most local authorities cover much smaller areas. A town the size of Keighley and a small surrounding area would have its own municipal council but there again Ilkley probably would with a chunk of Wharfedale added in. It's all about an area people identify with and focused on a town or city that people regularly go to for work, shopping, leisure, etc. Over here since 1974 we've had the largest and most remote structures in the EU except for Ireland plus they have bugger all powers and finance compared with their continental counterparts. I do agree the district should be split into smaller councils but this should be part of a wider reorganisation of local authorities and devolution of powers to them. And I think it is arrogant of Kris Hopkins to assume places like Steeton, Eastburn and Addingham, which used to be part of the Skipton Rural District, and Silsden which used to have its own council, want to be put in with Keighley. Given the choice they might want to look to Craven in North Yorkshire. jonathancrewdson
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11:51am Sat 14 Apr 12

Albion. says...

jonathancrewdson wrote:
I think this issue is far more complicated. If you go to the continent most local authorities cover much smaller areas. A town the size of Keighley and a small surrounding area would have its own municipal council but there again Ilkley probably would with a chunk of Wharfedale added in. It's all about an area people identify with and focused on a town or city that people regularly go to for work, shopping, leisure, etc.

Over here since 1974 we've had the largest and most remote structures in the EU except for Ireland plus they have bugger all powers and finance compared with their continental counterparts.

I do agree the district should be split into smaller councils but this should be part of a wider reorganisation of local authorities and devolution of powers to them.

And I think it is arrogant of Kris Hopkins to assume places like Steeton, Eastburn and Addingham, which used to be part of the Skipton Rural District, and Silsden which used to have its own council, want to be put in with Keighley. Given the choice they might want to look to Craven in North Yorkshire.
They might well, but I bet they wouldn't choose Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]jonathancrewdson[/bold] wrote: I think this issue is far more complicated. If you go to the continent most local authorities cover much smaller areas. A town the size of Keighley and a small surrounding area would have its own municipal council but there again Ilkley probably would with a chunk of Wharfedale added in. It's all about an area people identify with and focused on a town or city that people regularly go to for work, shopping, leisure, etc. Over here since 1974 we've had the largest and most remote structures in the EU except for Ireland plus they have bugger all powers and finance compared with their continental counterparts. I do agree the district should be split into smaller councils but this should be part of a wider reorganisation of local authorities and devolution of powers to them. And I think it is arrogant of Kris Hopkins to assume places like Steeton, Eastburn and Addingham, which used to be part of the Skipton Rural District, and Silsden which used to have its own council, want to be put in with Keighley. Given the choice they might want to look to Craven in North Yorkshire.[/p][/quote]They might well, but I bet they wouldn't choose Bradford. Albion.
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12:05pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

There is no masking going on, Bradford is near the bottom of every table there is. Removing the more affluent areas from the region would not help get this noticed, the government has it's North South policy in place and no amount of posturing will change that. Kris Hopkins has just proved what we all knew along, another self-serving piece of detritus.
There is no masking going on, Bradford is near the bottom of every table there is. Removing the more affluent areas from the region would not help get this noticed, the government has it's North South policy in place and no amount of posturing will change that. Kris Hopkins has just proved what we all knew along, another self-serving piece of detritus. Prisoner Cell Block A
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12:13pm Sat 14 Apr 12

bradpak says...

hopkins was a total waste whilst leading 'bradford council' the district went backwards and westfield fiasco is partially down to him. the man is a disgrace and a disloyal charlatan...he will damage any initiative he gets involved in.
hopkins was a total waste whilst leading 'bradford council' the district went backwards and westfield fiasco is partially down to him. the man is a disgrace and a disloyal charlatan...he will damage any initiative he gets involved in. bradpak
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12:15pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Avro says...

This would be Bradford losing its jewels, and the city left to being the cesspit that it has become!

Residents of Bradford's outlying area's have never associated themselves with Bradford, and who can blame them?

I would hazard a guess that many are ashamed to say they live in Bradford, who say they live on the outskirts!
This would be Bradford losing its jewels, and the city left to being the cesspit that it has become! Residents of Bradford's outlying area's have never associated themselves with Bradford, and who can blame them? I would hazard a guess that many are ashamed to say they live in Bradford, who say they live on the outskirts! Avro
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1:00pm Sat 14 Apr 12

justjustice says...

I would turn my back on Bradford in a heartbeat and never look back!

Bradford council has run the city to the ground whilst ignoring those of us satellite towns. Why would we agree to be run by these incompetent fools when we can be run by our own fools who would at least have more interest in the town! After-all these are many towns the size of Keighley that have their own councils, so why shouldnt we?

I know Keighley isnt a rich town, but better our taxes spend on improving our town rather than paying for a crater in the centre of Bradford! But Ilkley on the other hand would be far far better off being independent.
I would turn my back on Bradford in a heartbeat and never look back! Bradford council has run the city to the ground whilst ignoring those of us satellite towns. Why would we agree to be run by these incompetent fools when we can be run by our own fools who would at least have more interest in the town! After-all these are many towns the size of Keighley that have their own councils, so why shouldnt we? I know Keighley isnt a rich town, but better our taxes spend on improving our town rather than paying for a crater in the centre of Bradford! But Ilkley on the other hand would be far far better off being independent. justjustice
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1:14pm Sat 14 Apr 12

ghazanfar392 says...

Am very upset with Mr Hopkins idea,all these years they let bradford down,so many people gone out of business,even the night life use to be booming on manor row,people use to come from all over,but they let it run to the ground and now he's running scared,next he will want to change the post code,we need more people like George Galloway,now there's a man who knows what he is talking about.
Am very upset with Mr Hopkins idea,all these years they let bradford down,so many people gone out of business,even the night life use to be booming on manor row,people use to come from all over,but they let it run to the ground and now he's running scared,next he will want to change the post code,we need more people like George Galloway,now there's a man who knows what he is talking about. ghazanfar392
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1:28pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Albion. says...

ghazanfar392 wrote:
Am very upset with Mr Hopkins idea,all these years they let bradford down,so many people gone out of business,even the night life use to be booming on manor row,people use to come from all over,but they let it run to the ground and now he's running scared,next he will want to change the post code,we need more people like George Galloway,now there's a man who knows what he is talking about.
Rubbish.
If anyone want's to open a club and thinks they can make a go of it they can, those who ran them in the past were greedy and disobeyed planning rules and allowed criminal activities on the premises.
The only thing Galloway knows is who the gullible people are who will vote for him (usually for reasons totally unconnected with local issues).
[quote][p][bold]ghazanfar392[/bold] wrote: Am very upset with Mr Hopkins idea,all these years they let bradford down,so many people gone out of business,even the night life use to be booming on manor row,people use to come from all over,but they let it run to the ground and now he's running scared,next he will want to change the post code,we need more people like George Galloway,now there's a man who knows what he is talking about.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. If anyone want's to open a club and thinks they can make a go of it they can, those who ran them in the past were greedy and disobeyed planning rules and allowed criminal activities on the premises. The only thing Galloway knows is who the gullible people are who will vote for him (usually for reasons totally unconnected with local issues). Albion.
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4:03pm Sat 14 Apr 12

mrs walker says...

bradford rose wrote:
"It's not about turning my back on Bradford" Oh really? That's exactly what you're trying to do, after leaving it in ruins.
You should be put in stocks in the middle of the Urban garden for people to throw rotten tomatoes at, and kept there until Westfield start building, if ever.
I'm saving my rotten tomatoes for just such an occasion, Bradford Rose. This man doesn't deserve to hold a position of responsibility.
[quote][p][bold]bradford rose[/bold] wrote: "It's not about turning my back on Bradford" Oh really? That's exactly what you're trying to do, after leaving it in ruins. You should be put in stocks in the middle of the Urban garden for people to throw rotten tomatoes at, and kept there until Westfield start building, if ever.[/p][/quote]I'm saving my rotten tomatoes for just such an occasion, Bradford Rose. This man doesn't deserve to hold a position of responsibility. mrs walker
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5:41pm Sat 14 Apr 12

C.T.I.D says...

If this did happen wouldn't it be masking the serious poverty Keighley has?
If this did happen wouldn't it be masking the serious poverty Keighley has? C.T.I.D
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5:57pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Albion. says...

C.T.I.D wrote:
If this did happen wouldn't it be masking the serious poverty Keighley has?
No.
[quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: If this did happen wouldn't it be masking the serious poverty Keighley has?[/p][/quote]No. Albion.
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6:20pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Mr Bradford says...

Albion. wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
If this did happen wouldn't it be masking the serious poverty Keighley has?
No.
It probably would considering there's a lot of affluent towns and villages around Keighley, but Keighley itself is pretty deprived.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: If this did happen wouldn't it be masking the serious poverty Keighley has?[/p][/quote]No.[/p][/quote]It probably would considering there's a lot of affluent towns and villages around Keighley, but Keighley itself is pretty deprived. Mr Bradford
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6:25pm Sat 14 Apr 12

justjustice says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
Albion. wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
If this did happen wouldn't it be masking the serious poverty Keighley has?
No.
It probably would considering there's a lot of affluent towns and villages around Keighley, but Keighley itself is pretty deprived.
But only because Bradford council is too busy digging a crater in Bradford city centre rather than thinking about how to improve the towns surrounding it!

Keighley and Ilkley et al will all be better splitting from Bradford I say.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: If this did happen wouldn't it be masking the serious poverty Keighley has?[/p][/quote]No.[/p][/quote]It probably would considering there's a lot of affluent towns and villages around Keighley, but Keighley itself is pretty deprived.[/p][/quote]But only because Bradford council is too busy digging a crater in Bradford city centre rather than thinking about how to improve the towns surrounding it! Keighley and Ilkley et al will all be better splitting from Bradford I say. justjustice
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6:26pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Mr Bradford says...

bhuna156 wrote:
It was Kris Hopkins who destroyed Bradford when he was leader of Bradford council by leaving us with the whole Westfield and Odeon fiasco, and now's he's Keighley and Ilkley MP he wants to split the district up! It makes me wonder if it was all part of a master plan to turn people against Bradford....
There should be an investigation into this man.
That's what I was thinking. He's been going on about Keighley breaking away since well before he was leader of Bradford Council, So it must have been on his mind during the time he single-handedly destroyed Bradford city centre.
[quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: It was Kris Hopkins who destroyed Bradford when he was leader of Bradford council by leaving us with the whole Westfield and Odeon fiasco, and now's he's Keighley and Ilkley MP he wants to split the district up! It makes me wonder if it was all part of a master plan to turn people against Bradford.... There should be an investigation into this man.[/p][/quote]That's what I was thinking. He's been going on about Keighley breaking away since well before he was leader of Bradford Council, So it must have been on his mind during the time he single-handedly destroyed Bradford city centre. Mr Bradford
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6:27pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Albion. says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
Albion. wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
If this did happen wouldn't it be masking the serious poverty Keighley has?
No.
It probably would considering there's a lot of affluent towns and villages around Keighley, but Keighley itself is pretty deprived.
Those affluent towns would in many cases be joined to it council wise as they were before.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: If this did happen wouldn't it be masking the serious poverty Keighley has?[/p][/quote]No.[/p][/quote]It probably would considering there's a lot of affluent towns and villages around Keighley, but Keighley itself is pretty deprived.[/p][/quote]Those affluent towns would in many cases be joined to it council wise as they were before. Albion.
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6:33pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Mr Bradford says...

justjustice wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
Albion. wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
If this did happen wouldn't it be masking the serious poverty Keighley has?
No.
It probably would considering there's a lot of affluent towns and villages around Keighley, but Keighley itself is pretty deprived.
But only because Bradford council is too busy digging a crater in Bradford city centre rather than thinking about how to improve the towns surrounding it!

Keighley and Ilkley et al will all be better splitting from Bradford I say.
Keighley's always been what it is, even well before it was placed under Bradford Council.
Didn't Patrick Bronte build a school in Haworth because the standard of those in Keighley was so poor?
[quote][p][bold]justjustice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: If this did happen wouldn't it be masking the serious poverty Keighley has?[/p][/quote]No.[/p][/quote]It probably would considering there's a lot of affluent towns and villages around Keighley, but Keighley itself is pretty deprived.[/p][/quote]But only because Bradford council is too busy digging a crater in Bradford city centre rather than thinking about how to improve the towns surrounding it! Keighley and Ilkley et al will all be better splitting from Bradford I say.[/p][/quote]Keighley's always been what it is, even well before it was placed under Bradford Council. Didn't Patrick Bronte build a school in Haworth because the standard of those in Keighley was so poor? Mr Bradford
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6:40pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Albion. says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
justjustice wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
Albion. wrote:
C.T.I.D wrote:
If this did happen wouldn't it be masking the serious poverty Keighley has?
No.
It probably would considering there's a lot of affluent towns and villages around Keighley, but Keighley itself is pretty deprived.
But only because Bradford council is too busy digging a crater in Bradford city centre rather than thinking about how to improve the towns surrounding it!

Keighley and Ilkley et al will all be better splitting from Bradford I say.
Keighley's always been what it is, even well before it was placed under Bradford Council.
Didn't Patrick Bronte build a school in Haworth because the standard of those in Keighley was so poor?
That was before Bradford was destroyed by being allowed to become a third world city, Keighley has it's share of that but it's a bit more diluted and it does have some affluent surroundings, Haworth being one of them.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justjustice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]C.T.I.D[/bold] wrote: If this did happen wouldn't it be masking the serious poverty Keighley has?[/p][/quote]No.[/p][/quote]It probably would considering there's a lot of affluent towns and villages around Keighley, but Keighley itself is pretty deprived.[/p][/quote]But only because Bradford council is too busy digging a crater in Bradford city centre rather than thinking about how to improve the towns surrounding it! Keighley and Ilkley et al will all be better splitting from Bradford I say.[/p][/quote]Keighley's always been what it is, even well before it was placed under Bradford Council. Didn't Patrick Bronte build a school in Haworth because the standard of those in Keighley was so poor?[/p][/quote]That was before Bradford was destroyed by being allowed to become a third world city, Keighley has it's share of that but it's a bit more diluted and it does have some affluent surroundings, Haworth being one of them. Albion.
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6:50pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Albion. says...

Whatever anyone says I am confident that if the people from areas which were not previously part of Bradford council were given the option to vote to leave Bradford Council (whatever the alternative make up) they would vote to do so.
Whatever anyone says I am confident that if the people from areas which were not previously part of Bradford council were given the option to vote to leave Bradford Council (whatever the alternative make up) they would vote to do so. Albion.
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7:42pm Sat 14 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Eccleshill and Idle have only been under Bradford Council for just over 100 years, given a choice I'd withdraw and choose self rule.
Eccleshill and Idle have only been under Bradford Council for just over 100 years, given a choice I'd withdraw and choose self rule. Prisoner Cell Block A
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8:22pm Sat 14 Apr 12

webess says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Eccleshill and Idle have only been under Bradford Council for just over 100 years, given a choice I'd withdraw and choose self rule.
There seems to be a lot of wannabee Alex Salmonds on here!
Have you really thought things through - for starters, EcclesIdle council would have responsibility for both Thorpe Edge & Ravo.
All academic though. Such changes require national legislation and it's not going to happen...
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: Eccleshill and Idle have only been under Bradford Council for just over 100 years, given a choice I'd withdraw and choose self rule.[/p][/quote]There seems to be a lot of wannabee Alex Salmonds on here! Have you really thought things through - for starters, EcclesIdle council would have responsibility for both Thorpe Edge & Ravo. All academic though. Such changes require national legislation and it's not going to happen... webess
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10:06am Sun 15 Apr 12

bradford rose says...

mrs walker wrote:
bradford rose wrote: "It's not about turning my back on Bradford" Oh really? That's exactly what you're trying to do, after leaving it in ruins. You should be put in stocks in the middle of the Urban garden for people to throw rotten tomatoes at, and kept there until Westfield start building, if ever.
I'm saving my rotten tomatoes for just such an occasion, Bradford Rose. This man doesn't deserve to hold a position of responsibility.
Don't forget Lady Margaret, the T&A's Demolition Pin-Up Girl. Save a few choice ones for her. All those photo ops she revelled in..sporting a hard hat..wielding a sledgehammer...I wonder if she'd like to pose for her "piccy" now, in front of the Westfield Hole.
That should look good on her election leaflet.
[quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradford rose[/bold] wrote: "It's not about turning my back on Bradford" Oh really? That's exactly what you're trying to do, after leaving it in ruins. You should be put in stocks in the middle of the Urban garden for people to throw rotten tomatoes at, and kept there until Westfield start building, if ever.[/p][/quote]I'm saving my rotten tomatoes for just such an occasion, Bradford Rose. This man doesn't deserve to hold a position of responsibility.[/p][/quote]Don't forget Lady Margaret, the T&A's Demolition Pin-Up Girl. Save a few choice ones for her. All those photo ops she revelled in..sporting a hard hat..wielding a sledgehammer...I wonder if she'd like to pose for her "piccy" now, in front of the Westfield Hole. That should look good on her election leaflet. bradford rose
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10:32am Sun 15 Apr 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

@ webess, your point is? I have many friends and acquaintances plus younger charges who have spent all their lives on both estates, they were born there, lived there and some died there. Some have worked their way up and escaped the circle and trap of their predecessors, some escaped it by graft, others education but your flippant comment, without actually saying it has condemned these people just because of where they live.

Rather an Alex Salmond than a Slobadan Milosevic.
@ webess, your point is? I have many friends and acquaintances plus younger charges who have spent all their lives on both estates, they were born there, lived there and some died there. Some have worked their way up and escaped the circle and trap of their predecessors, some escaped it by graft, others education but your flippant comment, without actually saying it has condemned these people just because of where they live. Rather an Alex Salmond than a Slobadan Milosevic. Prisoner Cell Block A
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10:50am Sun 15 Apr 12

bradford rose says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
@ webess, your point is? I have many friends and acquaintances plus younger charges who have spent all their lives on both estates, they were born there, lived there and some died there. Some have worked their way up and escaped the circle and trap of their predecessors, some escaped it by graft, others education but your flippant comment, without actually saying it has condemned these people just because of where they live. Rather an Alex Salmond than a Slobadan Milosevic.
Bravo!
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: @ webess, your point is? I have many friends and acquaintances plus younger charges who have spent all their lives on both estates, they were born there, lived there and some died there. Some have worked their way up and escaped the circle and trap of their predecessors, some escaped it by graft, others education but your flippant comment, without actually saying it has condemned these people just because of where they live. Rather an Alex Salmond than a Slobadan Milosevic.[/p][/quote]Bravo! bradford rose
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12:14pm Sun 15 Apr 12

huggy b says...

The Tories under Hopkins, Eaton, Hawksworth et al have messed this city up with the help of the spineless Libs (I'm no fan of Labour's leadership either) now they want to cut ties?! How about holding them accountable for the mess they made?! It's like someone buying a house, digging up the floor in the living room, refusing to repair a crumbling wall that they left to rot, then wanting to sell the house for a profit and complaining when no-one wants to buy it! It might actually be better for Bradford if these Tories b*ggered off and stayed up in the hills where they can be as racist as they want and perhaps introduce a bye-law or two legalising incest and lynchings of outsiders. "Long way from home stranger, we don't take kindly to anyone who ain't from the Worth Valley round these parts, city boy. Now squeal."
The Tories under Hopkins, Eaton, Hawksworth et al have messed this city up with the help of the spineless Libs (I'm no fan of Labour's leadership either) now they want to cut ties?! How about holding them accountable for the mess they made?! It's like someone buying a house, digging up the floor in the living room, refusing to repair a crumbling wall that they left to rot, then wanting to sell the house for a profit and complaining when no-one wants to buy it! It might actually be better for Bradford if these Tories b*ggered off and stayed up in the hills where they can be as racist as they want and perhaps introduce a bye-law or two legalising incest and lynchings of outsiders. "Long way from home stranger, we don't take kindly to anyone who ain't from the Worth Valley round these parts, city boy. Now squeal." huggy b
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12:21pm Sun 15 Apr 12

Albion. says...

huggy b wrote:
The Tories under Hopkins, Eaton, Hawksworth et al have messed this city up with the help of the spineless Libs (I'm no fan of Labour's leadership either) now they want to cut ties?! How about holding them accountable for the mess they made?! It's like someone buying a house, digging up the floor in the living room, refusing to repair a crumbling wall that they left to rot, then wanting to sell the house for a profit and complaining when no-one wants to buy it! It might actually be better for Bradford if these Tories b*ggered off and stayed up in the hills where they can be as racist as they want and perhaps introduce a bye-law or two legalising incest and lynchings of outsiders. "Long way from home stranger, we don't take kindly to anyone who ain't from the Worth Valley round these parts, city boy. Now squeal."
Sounds idyllic.
[quote][p][bold]huggy b[/bold] wrote: The Tories under Hopkins, Eaton, Hawksworth et al have messed this city up with the help of the spineless Libs (I'm no fan of Labour's leadership either) now they want to cut ties?! How about holding them accountable for the mess they made?! It's like someone buying a house, digging up the floor in the living room, refusing to repair a crumbling wall that they left to rot, then wanting to sell the house for a profit and complaining when no-one wants to buy it! It might actually be better for Bradford if these Tories b*ggered off and stayed up in the hills where they can be as racist as they want and perhaps introduce a bye-law or two legalising incest and lynchings of outsiders. "Long way from home stranger, we don't take kindly to anyone who ain't from the Worth Valley round these parts, city boy. Now squeal."[/p][/quote]Sounds idyllic. Albion.
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12:25pm Sun 15 Apr 12

huggy b says...

Albion. wrote:
huggy b wrote:
The Tories under Hopkins, Eaton, Hawksworth et al have messed this city up with the help of the spineless Libs (I'm no fan of Labour's leadership either) now they want to cut ties?! How about holding them accountable for the mess they made?! It's like someone buying a house, digging up the floor in the living room, refusing to repair a crumbling wall that they left to rot, then wanting to sell the house for a profit and complaining when no-one wants to buy it! It might actually be better for Bradford if these Tories b*ggered off and stayed up in the hills where they can be as racist as they want and perhaps introduce a bye-law or two legalising incest and lynchings of outsiders. "Long way from home stranger, we don't take kindly to anyone who ain't from the Worth Valley round these parts, city boy. Now squeal."
Sounds idyllic.
Sounds like dueling banjos.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]huggy b[/bold] wrote: The Tories under Hopkins, Eaton, Hawksworth et al have messed this city up with the help of the spineless Libs (I'm no fan of Labour's leadership either) now they want to cut ties?! How about holding them accountable for the mess they made?! It's like someone buying a house, digging up the floor in the living room, refusing to repair a crumbling wall that they left to rot, then wanting to sell the house for a profit and complaining when no-one wants to buy it! It might actually be better for Bradford if these Tories b*ggered off and stayed up in the hills where they can be as racist as they want and perhaps introduce a bye-law or two legalising incest and lynchings of outsiders. "Long way from home stranger, we don't take kindly to anyone who ain't from the Worth Valley round these parts, city boy. Now squeal."[/p][/quote]Sounds idyllic.[/p][/quote]Sounds like dueling banjos. huggy b
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4:12pm Sun 15 Apr 12

Saltaire Bantam says...

Kris Hopkin is actually right. There is no way that Ilkley is part of Bradford. It has a Leeds postcode, there very few benefit scoungers, there is low crime and very few drug addicts etc.
Most people from Ilkley work in Leeds and never go anywhere near Bradford. Also I think that most of the people who live there are scared of Bradford.
Kris Hopkin is actually right. There is no way that Ilkley is part of Bradford. It has a Leeds postcode, there very few benefit scoungers, there is low crime and very few drug addicts etc. Most people from Ilkley work in Leeds and never go anywhere near Bradford. Also I think that most of the people who live there are scared of Bradford. Saltaire Bantam
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4:31pm Sun 15 Apr 12

a reasonable sort of chap says...

If the split went ahead presumably Hopkins would be out of a job, as Keighley would no longer be linked to Ilkley in any way. And in any case, there is much deprivation in Keighley!
If the split went ahead presumably Hopkins would be out of a job, as Keighley would no longer be linked to Ilkley in any way. And in any case, there is much deprivation in Keighley! a reasonable sort of chap
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4:34pm Sun 15 Apr 12

a reasonable sort of chap says...

Saltaire Bantam wrote:
Kris Hopkin is actually right. There is no way that Ilkley is part of Bradford. It has a Leeds postcode, there very few benefit scoungers, there is low crime and very few drug addicts etc.
Most people from Ilkley work in Leeds and never go anywhere near Bradford. Also I think that most of the people who live there are scared of Bradford.
But lots of people from Bradford visit Ilkley. And there are people living in Ilkley who work in Bradford. I've been encouraging more people from Manningham to visit Ilkley moor.
[quote][p][bold]Saltaire Bantam[/bold] wrote: Kris Hopkin is actually right. There is no way that Ilkley is part of Bradford. It has a Leeds postcode, there very few benefit scoungers, there is low crime and very few drug addicts etc. Most people from Ilkley work in Leeds and never go anywhere near Bradford. Also I think that most of the people who live there are scared of Bradford.[/p][/quote]But lots of people from Bradford visit Ilkley. And there are people living in Ilkley who work in Bradford. I've been encouraging more people from Manningham to visit Ilkley moor. a reasonable sort of chap
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4:52pm Sun 15 Apr 12

Albion. says...

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
Saltaire Bantam wrote:
Kris Hopkin is actually right. There is no way that Ilkley is part of Bradford. It has a Leeds postcode, there very few benefit scoungers, there is low crime and very few drug addicts etc.
Most people from Ilkley work in Leeds and never go anywhere near Bradford. Also I think that most of the people who live there are scared of Bradford.
But lots of people from Bradford visit Ilkley. And there are people living in Ilkley who work in Bradford. I've been encouraging more people from Manningham to visit Ilkley moor.
Separation would make no difference to that, I have even visited Lancashire!
[quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltaire Bantam[/bold] wrote: Kris Hopkin is actually right. There is no way that Ilkley is part of Bradford. It has a Leeds postcode, there very few benefit scoungers, there is low crime and very few drug addicts etc. Most people from Ilkley work in Leeds and never go anywhere near Bradford. Also I think that most of the people who live there are scared of Bradford.[/p][/quote]But lots of people from Bradford visit Ilkley. And there are people living in Ilkley who work in Bradford. I've been encouraging more people from Manningham to visit Ilkley moor.[/p][/quote]Separation would make no difference to that, I have even visited Lancashire! Albion.
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12:22am Mon 16 Apr 12

a reasonable sort of chap says...

Albion. wrote:
a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
Saltaire Bantam wrote:
Kris Hopkin is actually right. There is no way that Ilkley is part of Bradford. It has a Leeds postcode, there very few benefit scoungers, there is low crime and very few drug addicts etc.
Most people from Ilkley work in Leeds and never go anywhere near Bradford. Also I think that most of the people who live there are scared of Bradford.
But lots of people from Bradford visit Ilkley. And there are people living in Ilkley who work in Bradford. I've been encouraging more people from Manningham to visit Ilkley moor.
Separation would make no difference to that, I have even visited Lancashire!
That WAS brave! But Saltaire Bantam said that there are very few "benefit scrounges and drug addicts", my point being that I know several who regularly visit Ilkley for a day out on the cheap in between signing-on days.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a reasonable sort of chap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltaire Bantam[/bold] wrote: Kris Hopkin is actually right. There is no way that Ilkley is part of Bradford. It has a Leeds postcode, there very few benefit scoungers, there is low crime and very few drug addicts etc. Most people from Ilkley work in Leeds and never go anywhere near Bradford. Also I think that most of the people who live there are scared of Bradford.[/p][/quote]But lots of people from Bradford visit Ilkley. And there are people living in Ilkley who work in Bradford. I've been encouraging more people from Manningham to visit Ilkley moor.[/p][/quote]Separation would make no difference to that, I have even visited Lancashire![/p][/quote]That WAS brave! But Saltaire Bantam said that there are very few "benefit scrounges and drug addicts", my point being that I know several who regularly visit Ilkley for a day out on the cheap in between signing-on days. a reasonable sort of chap
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