Former Odeon 'a danger to public' says expert survey

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: A report by building surveyors says the former Odeon in Bradford city centre is now structurally unsafe Buy this photo A report by building surveyors says the former Odeon in Bradford city centre is now structurally unsafe

The shocking state of Bradford’s former Odeon can today be revealed in a report which has described the rapidly deteriorating building as “a risk to the general public”.

A detailed survey commissioned by the Homes and Community Association (HCA), the Government body which now owns the dilapidated city centre landmark, has concluded that the building is now “structurally unsafe” and points out a number of dangers, including the “serious fire risk” from abandoned furniture inside.

The report warns: “On no account should anyone access that building without a full risk assessment, method statement and personal protective equipment.

“As a minimum this should include protective breathing apparatus, safety boots, gloves, hard hat and temporary lighting.”

The survey has highlighted: that the roof covering could be blown off in high winds; flooding and leaks, which are “seriously speeding up” the building’s deterioration; significant infestations of rats and pigeons; evidence of trespassing, such as broken doors; signs of illegal drug use, including discarded hypodermic needles.

The report reads: “There are significant health and safety hazards within the property and the property is deteriorating rapidly.”

The report by building surveyors Lambert Smith Hampton urged the HCA to deal with water leaking in “as it is considerably speeding up the deterioration of the main structural elements which pose a risk to the general public”.

It says weed and foliage growth in high-level areas is causing the rapid deterioration of the mortar, brick and stonework which, as they become loose, “will fall from the building on to footpaths below”.

To the corner of the property there is extensive vertical cracking which is caused by the steel frame internally corroding and expanding.

The people who have affected an illegal entry have come well equipped and have demolished walls, created openings to investigate the original building and structure, which has made some areas unstable and unsafe, says the report.

Full details showing the scale of damage to the 83-year-old building have been released to the Telegraph & Argus by the HCA following warnings that asbestos had been discovered inside.

A spokesman for the HCA said it had been working with the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) to remove asbestos.

The HCA is looking to sell the building to private sector developer Langtree Artisan, which plans to demolish the building.

Councillor David Green, the Council’s executive member for regeneration and the economy, said it was “frustrating” that repairs had not been carried out earlier by its previous owners.

Bradford Councillor John Pennington, a spokesman for Bradford Odeon Rescue Group (BORG), described the dereliction as “civic vandalism”.

Emergency work is now being carried out to make the building safe.

e-mail: marc.meneaud@telegraphandargus.co.uk

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7:18am Tue 13 Mar 12

Joedavid says...

"The people who have affected an illegal entry have come well equipped and have demolished walls, created openings to investigate the original building and structure, which has made some areas unstable and unsafe, says the report."
I recall reading those people were there officialy on behalf of Yorkshire Forward, the previous owners, to find hidden asbestos etc.
"The people who have affected an illegal entry have come well equipped and have demolished walls, created openings to investigate the original building and structure, which has made some areas unstable and unsafe, says the report." I recall reading those people were there officialy on behalf of Yorkshire Forward, the previous owners, to find hidden asbestos etc. Joedavid
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7:43am Tue 13 Mar 12

Aphid P Critchley says...

And yet there is absolutely no accountability for the people who let it get in this state in the first place?

Why have we let it get to this stage?

It was obvious that this is what the likes of Maud Marshall wanted all along - leave it to rack and ruin and then claim it had to be demolished. And for what, a non-descript identikit building in its place that will probably be up for 30 years max.

A badly missed opportunity to utilise a building which perfectly compliments the Alhambra.
And yet there is absolutely no accountability for the people who let it get in this state in the first place? Why have we let it get to this stage? It was obvious that this is what the likes of Maud Marshall wanted all along - leave it to rack and ruin and then claim it had to be demolished. And for what, a non-descript identikit building in its place that will probably be up for 30 years max. A badly missed opportunity to utilise a building which perfectly compliments the Alhambra. Aphid P Critchley
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7:54am Tue 13 Mar 12

bobbyo says...

wot a load of bullsxxx, barstewards bradford council the job lot of them, could,nt manage a pisxup in a brewery, sack the lot of them,
wot a load of bullsxxx, barstewards bradford council the job lot of them, could,nt manage a pisxup in a brewery, sack the lot of them, bobbyo
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7:56am Tue 13 Mar 12

BD16 says...

It would be interesting to have an independent engineers assesment.
It would be interesting to have an independent engineers assesment. BD16
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7:57am Tue 13 Mar 12

mr-dog says...

KNOCK IT DOWN.
KNOCK IT DOWN. mr-dog
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7:59am Tue 13 Mar 12

bobbyo says...

a bit more of bradfords heritage lost if it,s up to this inept incompetant lot. shame on you. SHAME ON YOU BRADFORD COUNCIL.
a bit more of bradfords heritage lost if it,s up to this inept incompetant lot. shame on you. SHAME ON YOU BRADFORD COUNCIL. bobbyo
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8:03am Tue 13 Mar 12

Aphid P Critchley says...

The full survey report is at http://www.homesandc
ommunities.co.uk/bra
dford-odeon-building
-condition-survey-re
port
The full survey report is at http://www.homesandc ommunities.co.uk/bra dford-odeon-building -condition-survey-re port Aphid P Critchley
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8:04am Tue 13 Mar 12

angry bradfordian says...

This is another example of the public sector getting away with murder, without any fear of accountability.
If assets are transferred in he private sector, the new owner is still liable for anything that's previously happened. Whereas it's just 'frustrating' in this case. Councillor Green- you are a disgrace to this city.
This is another example of the public sector getting away with murder, without any fear of accountability. If assets are transferred in he private sector, the new owner is still liable for anything that's previously happened. Whereas it's just 'frustrating' in this case. Councillor Green- you are a disgrace to this city. angry bradfordian
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8:32am Tue 13 Mar 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

As long as the covers are on for the duck pond opening who cares what state it is in, eh Mr Green.
As long as the covers are on for the duck pond opening who cares what state it is in, eh Mr Green. Thee Voice of Reason
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8:33am Tue 13 Mar 12

_Size3_ says...

Don't spend money repairing it....pull the bloody thing down!!
Don't spend money repairing it....pull the bloody thing down!! _Size3_
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8:36am Tue 13 Mar 12

vax2002 says...

Bradford only know one thing : Destroy, pull down buildings and create a hole in the ground, or "regeneration" I think is the buzzword term for it.
If ever one city needed independent councillors drawn from he people it has to be Bradford, just look at the state that the 3 main squabbling parties have made of the place.
People of Bradford, your time is here, stand up and take back the reigns before the lot goes over the edge.
Bradford only know one thing : Destroy, pull down buildings and create a hole in the ground, or "regeneration" I think is the buzzword term for it. If ever one city needed independent councillors drawn from he people it has to be Bradford, just look at the state that the 3 main squabbling parties have made of the place. People of Bradford, your time is here, stand up and take back the reigns before the lot goes over the edge. vax2002
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8:38am Tue 13 Mar 12

idleone says...

Green, Pennington and others you are an absolute disgrace to this city. You have and have had the power to influence and do so much more. We are now about to loose a fantastic site forever. This is a huge coverup and shows the corruptness of Bradford council to the extreme.
Green, Pennington and others you are an absolute disgrace to this city. You have and have had the power to influence and do so much more. We are now about to loose a fantastic site forever. This is a huge coverup and shows the corruptness of Bradford council to the extreme. idleone
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8:52am Tue 13 Mar 12

Forseti says...

It is a truism that people get the Politician’s they deserve. The people of Bradford must be atoning for some serious former sins to have ended up with the bunch of self serving incompetents we have had for the last 20 years or so. The collective lack of vision, aversion to innovation and sheer ignorance of what is needed in Bradford borders on the criminal. Who will rid us of these wastrels ?
It is a truism that people get the Politician’s they deserve. The people of Bradford must be atoning for some serious former sins to have ended up with the bunch of self serving incompetents we have had for the last 20 years or so. The collective lack of vision, aversion to innovation and sheer ignorance of what is needed in Bradford borders on the criminal. Who will rid us of these wastrels ? Forseti
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9:05am Tue 13 Mar 12

thatsnotmyname says...

Forseti wrote:
It is a truism that people get the Politician’s they deserve. The people of Bradford must be atoning for some serious former sins to have ended up with the bunch of self serving incompetents we have had for the last 20 years or so. The collective lack of vision, aversion to innovation and sheer ignorance of what is needed in Bradford borders on the criminal. Who will rid us of these wastrels ?
George galloway? Lol
[quote][p][bold]Forseti[/bold] wrote: It is a truism that people get the Politician’s they deserve. The people of Bradford must be atoning for some serious former sins to have ended up with the bunch of self serving incompetents we have had for the last 20 years or so. The collective lack of vision, aversion to innovation and sheer ignorance of what is needed in Bradford borders on the criminal. Who will rid us of these wastrels ?[/p][/quote]George galloway? Lol thatsnotmyname
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9:12am Tue 13 Mar 12

BD16 says...

mr-dog wrote:
KNOCK IT DOWN.
And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants?
[quote][p][bold]mr-dog[/bold] wrote: KNOCK IT DOWN.[/p][/quote]And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants? BD16
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9:16am Tue 13 Mar 12

Willard says...

All we need now is a fire. Eastbrook Hall anybody? then we shall see how much asbestos is really in there. Restore it or demolish it, the hazardous substance needs to be dealt with in the same way and will cost to have it removed. I for one have no wish to see an even bigger hole in the middle of my city. Bradford really has lost it's way.
All we need now is a fire. Eastbrook Hall anybody? then we shall see how much asbestos is really in there. Restore it or demolish it, the hazardous substance needs to be dealt with in the same way and will cost to have it removed. I for one have no wish to see an even bigger hole in the middle of my city. Bradford really has lost it's way. Willard
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9:20am Tue 13 Mar 12

Joedavid says...

"A spokesman for the HCA said it had been working with the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) to remove asbestos."
Could be read matter allready dealt with.
"A spokesman for the HCA said it had been working with the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) to remove asbestos." Could be read matter allready dealt with. Joedavid
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9:25am Tue 13 Mar 12

JAtkinson says...

Pity poor Bradford.
Pity poor Bradford. JAtkinson
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10:13am Tue 13 Mar 12

Cooperlane2 says...

What about claims that a lot of asbestos was removed in the 80s?
How about a full independant inspcection?
How about comparing photos taken recently with those taken by 'intruders' in 2008?
How about the T&A and council not just generating headline spin for pulling the place down.
What about claims that a lot of asbestos was removed in the 80s? How about a full independant inspcection? How about comparing photos taken recently with those taken by 'intruders' in 2008? How about the T&A and council not just generating headline spin for pulling the place down. Cooperlane2
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10:14am Tue 13 Mar 12

RL Ron says...

Incredible: Old building left to rot and then after ten years is declared unsafe. Well who would have thought it eh?

Strange really.
Incredible: Old building left to rot and then after ten years is declared unsafe. Well who would have thought it eh? Strange really. RL Ron
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10:23am Tue 13 Mar 12

harvey111 says...

i went to the Odeon some time in 1980 to watch Flash Gordon, & i don't want it demolish. bradford council, sort it out please.. peace
i went to the Odeon some time in 1980 to watch Flash Gordon, & i don't want it demolish. bradford council, sort it out please.. peace harvey111
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10:33am Tue 13 Mar 12

yorkshiredude says...

Knock it down and build a concert hall! Or knock most of it down, but keep the domes.

I don't doubt HCA's survey though, what state would one expect it to be in over a decade after it was abandoned?
Knock it down and build a concert hall! Or knock most of it down, but keep the domes. I don't doubt HCA's survey though, what state would one expect it to be in over a decade after it was abandoned? yorkshiredude
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10:34am Tue 13 Mar 12

Avro says...

The latest on this comes as no great surprise.

Who cares about who is to blame, it is now time for Odeon Savers to stand up and be counted!

The countdown clock to the Odeon being demolished has just fired up, forget about laying blame, do something about it!
The latest on this comes as no great surprise. Who cares about who is to blame, it is now time for Odeon Savers to stand up and be counted! The countdown clock to the Odeon being demolished has just fired up, forget about laying blame, do something about it! Avro
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10:36am Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

my parents met in the ballroom 50years ago and it is there golden wedding anniversary this year.so i will do what ever i have to to stop the building being demolished even if i have to chain myself to it.they will have to kill me first although i am sure they will not care.it is all about money pleople do not matter what a lovley world we have to live in shame on our council do something good just once!
my parents met in the ballroom 50years ago and it is there golden wedding anniversary this year.so i will do what ever i have to to stop the building being demolished even if i have to chain myself to it.they will have to kill me first although i am sure they will not care.it is all about money pleople do not matter what a lovley world we have to live in shame on our council do something good just once! savetheodeoncinemabradford
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10:42am Tue 13 Mar 12

Northern1 says...

And how telling that the Editor sees fit to promote this article as the "Editor's Choice", without any comment on the deliberate sabotage done to this building by its public "caretakers", when as public record the paper stand to benefit substantially from the sale of their city centre premises to allow expansion of St Georges as an entertainment venue, so thus have a vested interest in ensuring the Odeon does not survive.
And how telling that the Editor sees fit to promote this article as the "Editor's Choice", without any comment on the deliberate sabotage done to this building by its public "caretakers", when as public record the paper stand to benefit substantially from the sale of their city centre premises to allow expansion of St Georges as an entertainment venue, so thus have a vested interest in ensuring the Odeon does not survive. Northern1
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10:43am Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

who is to blame ? The council? yorkshire forward? HCA? or me and you for not doing some thing about it when we had a chance.please help make bradford better not british!
who is to blame ? The council? yorkshire forward? HCA? or me and you for not doing some thing about it when we had a chance.please help make bradford better not british! savetheodeoncinemabradford
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10:51am Tue 13 Mar 12

Joedavid says...

savetheodeoncinemabr
adford
wrote:
who is to blame ? The council? yorkshire forward? HCA? or me and you for not doing some thing about it when we had a chance.please help make bradford better not british!
You miss out the T&A for not leading a public campaign to save and restore the building back to its 1930 glory.
[quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: who is to blame ? The council? yorkshire forward? HCA? or me and you for not doing some thing about it when we had a chance.please help make bradford better not british![/p][/quote]You miss out the T&A for not leading a public campaign to save and restore the building back to its 1930 glory. Joedavid
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10:53am Tue 13 Mar 12

Bullcity says...

It is many years since I lived in Bradford, but am Bradford born & bred & am very proud to be associated with the city.
How can this have happened to one of the few remaining old type buildings left in the city centre? The people responsible for the deterioration should be held to account.It seems to me as an outsider now that the authorities are incapable of mainting any heritage left to us by past generations.
Why not set up a regeneration team of wealthy Bradfordians who can add some value to this whole sorry mess.
Thank you for reading my small "moan" about the situation.
A hurt old Bradfordian
It is many years since I lived in Bradford, but am Bradford born & bred & am very proud to be associated with the city. How can this have happened to one of the few remaining old type buildings left in the city centre? The people responsible for the deterioration should be held to account.It seems to me as an outsider now that the authorities are incapable of mainting any heritage left to us by past generations. Why not set up a regeneration team of wealthy Bradfordians who can add some value to this whole sorry mess. Thank you for reading my small "moan" about the situation. A hurt old Bradfordian Bullcity
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10:55am Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

after what has happened to the old odeon(new victoria) There should be a law but in to place to stop this happening again.forcing landlords/owners to not abandon there property and leave it to rot.the council should be able to take action and fine them!
after what has happened to the old odeon(new victoria) There should be a law but in to place to stop this happening again.forcing landlords/owners to not abandon there property and leave it to rot.the council should be able to take action and fine them! savetheodeoncinemabradford
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10:55am Tue 13 Mar 12

Joedavid says...

Now the T&A should get out and find out exactly what work as been done this week on the building and what is yet going to be done in the coming weeks.
Fine just reprinting the HCA report, now T&A find out more, listen to Bradford people not the Council.
Now the T&A should get out and find out exactly what work as been done this week on the building and what is yet going to be done in the coming weeks. Fine just reprinting the HCA report, now T&A find out more, listen to Bradford people not the Council. Joedavid
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11:01am Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

lets all get together outside the odeon, on the day they open that silly mirror pool.if it has not been demolished before then.
lets all get together outside the odeon, on the day they open that silly mirror pool.if it has not been demolished before then. savetheodeoncinemabradford
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11:01am Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

lets all get together outside the odeon, on the day they open that silly mirror pool.if it has not been demolished before then.
lets all get together outside the odeon, on the day they open that silly mirror pool.if it has not been demolished before then. savetheodeoncinemabradford
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11:07am Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

we could all dress up and do ballroom dancing.a sort of old fashioned tea party.to reflect the history of this iconic building!the t&a could get behind us and host it invite national coverage!we need prince charles
we could all dress up and do ballroom dancing.a sort of old fashioned tea party.to reflect the history of this iconic building!the t&a could get behind us and host it invite national coverage!we need prince charles savetheodeoncinemabradford
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11:07am Tue 13 Mar 12

Northern1 says...

It's already been explained why the T&A have not, and never will, publish positive stories or investigations relating to the vandalism of the Odeon by those who were entrusted with its care on behalf of the Bradford public. It may also be that some public figures who could take up the cudgel of public opinion in the corridors of power may be reluctant to do so other than occasional worthless sound-bytes, now that they are embroiled in the very system and self-serving gravy train that seeks to destroy it.
It's already been explained why the T&A have not, and never will, publish positive stories or investigations relating to the vandalism of the Odeon by those who were entrusted with its care on behalf of the Bradford public. It may also be that some public figures who could take up the cudgel of public opinion in the corridors of power may be reluctant to do so other than occasional worthless sound-bytes, now that they are embroiled in the very system and self-serving gravy train that seeks to destroy it. Northern1
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11:16am Tue 13 Mar 12

Cooperlane2 says...

new headline:

New Odeon to be demolished, T&A building to be new concert hall.

No conflict of interest here, is there?
new headline: New Odeon to be demolished, T&A building to be new concert hall. No conflict of interest here, is there? Cooperlane2
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11:29am Tue 13 Mar 12

jonathancrewdson says...

I've no doubt the building is as bad as the report says because its not surprising given the total neglect it has suffered firstly under Yorkshire Forward and now under the HCA. Why didn't Bradford Council as the planning authority carry out its legal duties to direct the owners to maintain the building and keep it safe?

I can see a rapid demolition on the cards and then we will simply have another flattened wasteland on the west side of the City Centre to match the other infamous one on the east side. Yet another example of Bradford's heritage gone forever.

The owners should be prosecuted for allowing the building to get to this state. If I owned a house and let it get into that state I would have had a court summons long ago.
I've no doubt the building is as bad as the report says because its not surprising given the total neglect it has suffered firstly under Yorkshire Forward and now under the HCA. Why didn't Bradford Council as the planning authority carry out its legal duties to direct the owners to maintain the building and keep it safe? I can see a rapid demolition on the cards and then we will simply have another flattened wasteland on the west side of the City Centre to match the other infamous one on the east side. Yet another example of Bradford's heritage gone forever. The owners should be prosecuted for allowing the building to get to this state. If I owned a house and let it get into that state I would have had a court summons long ago. jonathancrewdson
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11:31am Tue 13 Mar 12

Avro says...

savetheodeoncinemabr
adford
wrote:
lets all get together outside the odeon, on the day they open that silly mirror pool.if it has not been demolished before then.
That's a fantastic idea, you can just imagine the red faces at city hall and it would certainly make the national press!
[quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: lets all get together outside the odeon, on the day they open that silly mirror pool.if it has not been demolished before then.[/p][/quote]That's a fantastic idea, you can just imagine the red faces at city hall and it would certainly make the national press! Avro
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11:32am Tue 13 Mar 12

Northern1 says...

Cooperlane2 wrote:
new headline:

New Odeon to be demolished, T&A building to be new concert hall.

No conflict of interest here, is there?
Nail
----
Head
[quote][p][bold]Cooperlane2[/bold] wrote: new headline: New Odeon to be demolished, T&A building to be new concert hall. No conflict of interest here, is there?[/p][/quote]Nail ---- Head Northern1
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11:37am Tue 13 Mar 12

Northern1 says...

jonathancrewdson wrote:
I've no doubt the building is as bad as the report says because its not surprising given the total neglect it has suffered firstly under Yorkshire Forward and now under the HCA. Why didn't Bradford Council as the planning authority carry out its legal duties to direct the owners to maintain the building and keep it safe?

I can see a rapid demolition on the cards and then we will simply have another flattened wasteland on the west side of the City Centre to match the other infamous one on the east side. Yet another example of Bradford's heritage gone forever.

The owners should be prosecuted for allowing the building to get to this state. If I owned a house and let it get into that state I would have had a court summons long ago.
Like the Council carried out its duty as the planning authority to close down illegal markets in the area? Another Bradford Council sham.
[quote][p][bold]jonathancrewdson[/bold] wrote: I've no doubt the building is as bad as the report says because its not surprising given the total neglect it has suffered firstly under Yorkshire Forward and now under the HCA. Why didn't Bradford Council as the planning authority carry out its legal duties to direct the owners to maintain the building and keep it safe? I can see a rapid demolition on the cards and then we will simply have another flattened wasteland on the west side of the City Centre to match the other infamous one on the east side. Yet another example of Bradford's heritage gone forever. The owners should be prosecuted for allowing the building to get to this state. If I owned a house and let it get into that state I would have had a court summons long ago.[/p][/quote]Like the Council carried out its duty as the planning authority to close down illegal markets in the area? Another Bradford Council sham. Northern1
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11:41am Tue 13 Mar 12

Carol Wilson says...

To be Honest the building should be saved demolition it would cost a lot of money due to the amount of asbestos in there and no decent company has been asked to quote for that work yet!
allowing it to be turned into yet another mosque or fast food place
is not what we need in Bradford, sick of the waste of tax payers money. we do not need another concert hall we have the Alhambra and St Georges which cost a lot to see shows when you have ot n a lot on money
To be Honest the building should be saved demolition it would cost a lot of money due to the amount of asbestos in there and no decent company has been asked to quote for that work yet! allowing it to be turned into yet another mosque or fast food place is not what we need in Bradford, sick of the waste of tax payers money. we do not need another concert hall we have the Alhambra and St Georges which cost a lot to see shows when you have ot n a lot on money Carol Wilson
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11:42am Tue 13 Mar 12

kwellham says...

http://savetheodeon.
wordpress.com/ - evidence that the developer is in severe financial trouble.
http://savetheodeon. wordpress.com/ - evidence that the developer is in severe financial trouble. kwellham
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11:44am Tue 13 Mar 12

AAA.Happy.Man says...

When I arrived in Bradford many years ago, much was the wailing and wringing of hands about the loss of something called the 'Swan Arcade' or some such building.
Let's all get ready for another session of moaning over the demolition of the magnificent façade and domes of the Odeon.
This is the face of Thatcher's Capitalizm - Private Profit.
The poorest will pick up the cost of repairing the social, health, environmental, un-employment consequences of the Grab-it-and-Run elements in our society.
These asset stripping Spivs are now going to do the same to your NHS - and you are to blame - you knew what you were voting for - and you've got it!
Don't try to put the blame onto others.
AHM ;-))
When I arrived in Bradford many years ago, much was the wailing and wringing of hands about the loss of something called the 'Swan Arcade' or some such building. Let's all get ready for another session of moaning over the demolition of the magnificent façade and domes of the Odeon. This is the face of Thatcher's Capitalizm - Private Profit. The poorest will pick up the cost of repairing the social, health, environmental, un-employment consequences of the Grab-it-and-Run elements in our society. These asset stripping Spivs are now going to do the same to your NHS - and you are to blame - you knew what you were voting for - and you've got it! Don't try to put the blame onto others. AHM ;-)) AAA.Happy.Man
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11:47am Tue 13 Mar 12

angry bradfordian says...

savetheodeoncinemabr
adford
wrote:
lets all get together outside the odeon, on the day they open that silly mirror pool.if it has not been demolished before then.
I'll be there...
[quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: lets all get together outside the odeon, on the day they open that silly mirror pool.if it has not been demolished before then.[/p][/quote]I'll be there... angry bradfordian
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11:53am Tue 13 Mar 12

moanmoanwhingewhinge says...

Northern1 wrote:
Cooperlane2 wrote: new headline: New Odeon to be demolished, T&A building to be new concert hall. No conflict of interest here, is there?
Nail ---- Head
Exactly. The Telegraph & Argus WANTS the Odeon knocking down.
[quote][p][bold]Northern1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cooperlane2[/bold] wrote: new headline: New Odeon to be demolished, T&A building to be new concert hall. No conflict of interest here, is there?[/p][/quote]Nail ---- Head[/p][/quote]Exactly. The Telegraph & Argus WANTS the Odeon knocking down. moanmoanwhingewhinge
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11:59am Tue 13 Mar 12

moanmoanwhingewhinge says...

BD16 wrote:
mr-dog wrote: KNOCK IT DOWN.
And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants?
How about yet another hotel? For a city no-one wants to come to. To just 'Knock it down' is the kind of attitude that has given us the city centre we now have. If the building had been maintained at least it would have complemented the Alhambra and the whole Centenary Square / pool area. To let it end up in the state it has is an absolute disgrace. Presumably Mr Dog doesn't think one giant derelict hole in the city centre is enough
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr-dog[/bold] wrote: KNOCK IT DOWN.[/p][/quote]And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants?[/p][/quote]How about yet another hotel? For a city no-one wants to come to. To just 'Knock it down' is the kind of attitude that has given us the city centre we now have. If the building had been maintained at least it would have complemented the Alhambra and the whole Centenary Square / pool area. To let it end up in the state it has is an absolute disgrace. Presumably Mr Dog doesn't think one giant derelict hole in the city centre is enough moanmoanwhingewhinge
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12:01pm Tue 13 Mar 12

moanmoanwhingewhinge says...

AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
When I arrived in Bradford many years ago, much was the wailing and wringing of hands about the loss of something called the 'Swan Arcade' or some such building. Let's all get ready for another session of moaning over the demolition of the magnificent façade and domes of the Odeon. This is the face of Thatcher's Capitalizm - Private Profit. The poorest will pick up the cost of repairing the social, health, environmental, un-employment consequences of the Grab-it-and-Run elements in our society. These asset stripping Spivs are now going to do the same to your NHS - and you are to blame - you knew what you were voting for - and you've got it! Don't try to put the blame onto others. AHM ;-))
Not EVERYONE votes Tory, a-hole
[quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: When I arrived in Bradford many years ago, much was the wailing and wringing of hands about the loss of something called the 'Swan Arcade' or some such building. Let's all get ready for another session of moaning over the demolition of the magnificent façade and domes of the Odeon. This is the face of Thatcher's Capitalizm - Private Profit. The poorest will pick up the cost of repairing the social, health, environmental, un-employment consequences of the Grab-it-and-Run elements in our society. These asset stripping Spivs are now going to do the same to your NHS - and you are to blame - you knew what you were voting for - and you've got it! Don't try to put the blame onto others. AHM ;-))[/p][/quote]Not EVERYONE votes Tory, a-hole moanmoanwhingewhinge
  • Score: 0

12:13pm Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

I hope to have a facebook page up and running soon.I do have a plan but i do not know how long i have got before it is demolished.looking at all the scaffolding not very long.but i will not give up with out a fight. A peaceful one!
I hope to have a facebook page up and running soon.I do have a plan but i do not know how long i have got before it is demolished.looking at all the scaffolding not very long.but i will not give up with out a fight. A peaceful one! savetheodeoncinemabradford
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12:18pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Yorkshire Lass says...

A full page spread to tell the citizens of Bradford what we already know, what we have been saying for years and what nobody with any authority cares about. I think a list should be made public of all the money that has been spent on the Odeon over the last 10 years. Such things as consultant fees, planning fees, building work, boarding up, scaffolding etc,etc, the list is endless. Why is nobody ever accountable for mis-spending over projects which never seem to get off the ground. I think the public deserve to know the cost of all this wasted money.
A full page spread to tell the citizens of Bradford what we already know, what we have been saying for years and what nobody with any authority cares about. I think a list should be made public of all the money that has been spent on the Odeon over the last 10 years. Such things as consultant fees, planning fees, building work, boarding up, scaffolding etc,etc, the list is endless. Why is nobody ever accountable for mis-spending over projects which never seem to get off the ground. I think the public deserve to know the cost of all this wasted money. Yorkshire Lass
  • Score: 0

12:30pm Tue 13 Mar 12

ctm says...

Knock it down. Now. Please will someone with some sense put "old Bradford" out of its misery, it's time we moved on and started to started looking to the future. If people would stop being so negative and clinging to past which quite frankly was pretty awful, we might actually get somewhere. Once the economy picks up, we will be a developer's dream. They make money by buying low and selling high. Leeds etc have had their day from that perspective and are already looking tired. It's our turn next.
Knock it down. Now. Please will someone with some sense put "old Bradford" out of its misery, it's time we moved on and started to started looking to the future. If people would stop being so negative and clinging to past which quite frankly was pretty awful, we might actually get somewhere. Once the economy picks up, we will be a developer's dream. They make money by buying low and selling high. Leeds etc have had their day from that perspective and are already looking tired. It's our turn next. ctm
  • Score: -1

12:36pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Joedavid says...

ctm wrote:
Knock it down. Now. Please will someone with some sense put "old Bradford" out of its misery, it's time we moved on and started to started looking to the future. If people would stop being so negative and clinging to past which quite frankly was pretty awful, we might actually get somewhere. Once the economy picks up, we will be a developer's dream. They make money by buying low and selling high. Leeds etc have had their day from that perspective and are already looking tired. It's our turn next.
OK if knocked down what will you have then?
I will tell you another building site looking like the one at Broadway, you not seen the Westfield non-development?
[quote][p][bold]ctm[/bold] wrote: Knock it down. Now. Please will someone with some sense put "old Bradford" out of its misery, it's time we moved on and started to started looking to the future. If people would stop being so negative and clinging to past which quite frankly was pretty awful, we might actually get somewhere. Once the economy picks up, we will be a developer's dream. They make money by buying low and selling high. Leeds etc have had their day from that perspective and are already looking tired. It's our turn next.[/p][/quote]OK if knocked down what will you have then? I will tell you another building site looking like the one at Broadway, you not seen the Westfield non-development? Joedavid
  • Score: 1

12:37pm Tue 13 Mar 12

BD16 says...

ctm wrote:
Knock it down. Now. Please will someone with some sense put "old Bradford" out of its misery, it's time we moved on and started to started looking to the future. If people would stop being so negative and clinging to past which quite frankly was pretty awful, we might actually get somewhere. Once the economy picks up, we will be a developer's dream. They make money by buying low and selling high. Leeds etc have had their day from that perspective and are already looking tired. It's our turn next.
I'll ask you the same question I keep asking but not getting answered.

What will be built if we knock it down?

I'm not being sentimental here I just want to know: what would we do with the site?
[quote][p][bold]ctm[/bold] wrote: Knock it down. Now. Please will someone with some sense put "old Bradford" out of its misery, it's time we moved on and started to started looking to the future. If people would stop being so negative and clinging to past which quite frankly was pretty awful, we might actually get somewhere. Once the economy picks up, we will be a developer's dream. They make money by buying low and selling high. Leeds etc have had their day from that perspective and are already looking tired. It's our turn next.[/p][/quote]I'll ask you the same question I keep asking but not getting answered. What will be built if we knock it down? I'm not being sentimental here I just want to know: what would we do with the site? BD16
  • Score: 1

12:40pm Tue 13 Mar 12

ctm says...

Joedavid wrote:
ctm wrote: Knock it down. Now. Please will someone with some sense put "old Bradford" out of its misery, it's time we moved on and started to started looking to the future. If people would stop being so negative and clinging to past which quite frankly was pretty awful, we might actually get somewhere. Once the economy picks up, we will be a developer's dream. They make money by buying low and selling high. Leeds etc have had their day from that perspective and are already looking tired. It's our turn next.
OK if knocked down what will you have then? I will tell you another building site looking like the one at Broadway, you not seen the Westfield non-development?
Yes I see all these sites every day. Every great building you'll see in every prosperous city was once a building site. Get the point?

As for the lack of developement in recent years, I'm as disppointed as everyone but the fact is we're in a period of economic downturn and no developer who wants to stay in business is going to build until the time is right. Have you now noticed that even house buidlers have been inactive for a while? Same problem. It's a question of timing and we've been unlucky but it won't last for ever.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctm[/bold] wrote: Knock it down. Now. Please will someone with some sense put "old Bradford" out of its misery, it's time we moved on and started to started looking to the future. If people would stop being so negative and clinging to past which quite frankly was pretty awful, we might actually get somewhere. Once the economy picks up, we will be a developer's dream. They make money by buying low and selling high. Leeds etc have had their day from that perspective and are already looking tired. It's our turn next.[/p][/quote]OK if knocked down what will you have then? I will tell you another building site looking like the one at Broadway, you not seen the Westfield non-development?[/p][/quote]Yes I see all these sites every day. Every great building you'll see in every prosperous city was once a building site. Get the point? As for the lack of developement in recent years, I'm as disppointed as everyone but the fact is we're in a period of economic downturn and no developer who wants to stay in business is going to build until the time is right. Have you now noticed that even house buidlers have been inactive for a while? Same problem. It's a question of timing and we've been unlucky but it won't last for ever. ctm
  • Score: 0

12:41pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Clowny says...

Do the people saying knock the Odeon down realise the replacement for it is going cost many millions more than what it would cost to save the Odeon?


Do they realise it’s for more apartments, when right now, behind the Odeon are brand new 3 (yes 3) bedroom apartments at under £60k, probably a third less than Langtree Artisan believe they’ll get for apartments.


New Victoria Place is building a development where there isn’t a demand then hoping investors from outside of Bradford can be suckered into parting with cash for overpriced residential space, meanwhile if the office space is taken it’ll be at the expense of office space that is already vacant.
Do the people saying knock the Odeon down realise the replacement for it is going cost many millions more than what it would cost to save the Odeon? Do they realise it’s for more apartments, when right now, behind the Odeon are brand new 3 (yes 3) bedroom apartments at under £60k, probably a third less than Langtree Artisan believe they’ll get for apartments. New Victoria Place is building a development where there isn’t a demand then hoping investors from outside of Bradford can be suckered into parting with cash for overpriced residential space, meanwhile if the office space is taken it’ll be at the expense of office space that is already vacant. Clowny
  • Score: 1

12:44pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Clowny says...

BD16 wrote:
ctm wrote:
Knock it down. Now. Please will someone with some sense put "old Bradford" out of its misery, it's time we moved on and started to started looking to the future. If people would stop being so negative and clinging to past which quite frankly was pretty awful, we might actually get somewhere. Once the economy picks up, we will be a developer's dream. They make money by buying low and selling high. Leeds etc have had their day from that perspective and are already looking tired. It's our turn next.
I'll ask you the same question I keep asking but not getting answered.

What will be built if we knock it down?

I'm not being sentimental here I just want to know: what would we do with the site?
It's apartments, hotel space plus some office space. The hope will be to dupe private investors into overpriced apartments, likely with "rental guarantees" landing them with huge losses much like was encountered with the Gatehaus.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctm[/bold] wrote: Knock it down. Now. Please will someone with some sense put "old Bradford" out of its misery, it's time we moved on and started to started looking to the future. If people would stop being so negative and clinging to past which quite frankly was pretty awful, we might actually get somewhere. Once the economy picks up, we will be a developer's dream. They make money by buying low and selling high. Leeds etc have had their day from that perspective and are already looking tired. It's our turn next.[/p][/quote]I'll ask you the same question I keep asking but not getting answered. What will be built if we knock it down? I'm not being sentimental here I just want to know: what would we do with the site?[/p][/quote]It's apartments, hotel space plus some office space. The hope will be to dupe private investors into overpriced apartments, likely with "rental guarantees" landing them with huge losses much like was encountered with the Gatehaus. Clowny
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Tue 13 Mar 12

ctm says...

I think those who are so keen to "save the Odeon" need to start explaining what they would do with it apart from saving it. The questions about what its replacement would be are essentially the same questions so stop being so naive. We have the same problem with the site whichever way you cut it.
I think those who are so keen to "save the Odeon" need to start explaining what they would do with it apart from saving it. The questions about what its replacement would be are essentially the same questions so stop being so naive. We have the same problem with the site whichever way you cut it. ctm
  • Score: -1

12:51pm Tue 13 Mar 12

RikG01 says...

This report is hilarious. These are teh same people who claimed it full of asbestos and this after teh council said the inside was rotten, disproved by people who went in to check it out.

When this doesn't wash as an excuse the next report from "homesandcommunities
" will read

" The odeon building must be demolished, as it is home to terrorists. These terrorists have a strain of bird flu which is highly infectious to humans and will kill anyone exposed within hours. We have also found a form of fungus that causes the plague. The toilet seats are covered in AIDS."
This report is hilarious. These are teh same people who claimed it full of asbestos and this after teh council said the inside was rotten, disproved by people who went in to check it out. When this doesn't wash as an excuse the next report from "homesandcommunities " will read " The odeon building must be demolished, as it is home to terrorists. These terrorists have a strain of bird flu which is highly infectious to humans and will kill anyone exposed within hours. We have also found a form of fungus that causes the plague. The toilet seats are covered in AIDS." RikG01
  • Score: 1

12:52pm Tue 13 Mar 12

sam-tyler says...

Knock the ugly blot down & turn it into a nice car park for the patrons of the Alhambra. simpulz!

They could even get Ted from Changegate in Haworth to run it & keep all the stupid people who can't park straight, or the dishonest who re-use tickets out. ;)
Knock the ugly blot down & turn it into a nice car park for the patrons of the Alhambra. simpulz! They could even get Ted from Changegate in Haworth to run it & keep all the stupid people who can't park straight, or the dishonest who re-use tickets out. ;) sam-tyler
  • Score: -1

12:53pm Tue 13 Mar 12

BD16 says...

ctm wrote:
I think those who are so keen to "save the Odeon" need to start explaining what they would do with it apart from saving it. The questions about what its replacement would be are essentially the same questions so stop being so naive. We have the same problem with the site whichever way you cut it.
"If demolishing it was progress I would agree with you. Should it be demolished what would we do with the site? Another budget hotel? More flats that people won't want to live in? More empty offices?

We have to make best use of what we have in Bradford and demolishing a building that complements the Alhambra would be a mistake that we can ill afford in Bradford.

Even if we only keep the facade I believe that it should become a conference/meeting/c

oncert venue. Two NCP carparks are withing a few hundred yards and we have a range of budget hotels within a short distance. Bring people from outside Bradford into the city to spend money and we would create revenue and jobs for local businesses. The mirror pool might even become relevant then."

I posted this last Sunday, it's my suggestion.

Through work I travel a lot. I go to a lot of meetings and exhibitions. Exhibitions bring in visitors from outside the area, quite often for two or three nights. When they are there visitors all need somewhere to eat, drink and sleep which involves spending money in the local area.

We could have that in the city centre.
[quote][p][bold]ctm[/bold] wrote: I think those who are so keen to "save the Odeon" need to start explaining what they would do with it apart from saving it. The questions about what its replacement would be are essentially the same questions so stop being so naive. We have the same problem with the site whichever way you cut it.[/p][/quote]"If demolishing it was progress I would agree with you. Should it be demolished what would we do with the site? Another budget hotel? More flats that people won't want to live in? More empty offices? We have to make best use of what we have in Bradford and demolishing a building that complements the Alhambra would be a mistake that we can ill afford in Bradford. Even if we only keep the facade I believe that it should become a conference/meeting/c oncert venue. Two NCP carparks are withing a few hundred yards and we have a range of budget hotels within a short distance. Bring people from outside Bradford into the city to spend money and we would create revenue and jobs for local businesses. The mirror pool might even become relevant then." I posted this last Sunday, it's my suggestion. Through work I travel a lot. I go to a lot of meetings and exhibitions. Exhibitions bring in visitors from outside the area, quite often for two or three nights. When they are there visitors all need somewhere to eat, drink and sleep which involves spending money in the local area. We could have that in the city centre. BD16
  • Score: 1

12:56pm Tue 13 Mar 12

J B PRIESTLEY says...

Not sure of the exact cost of the Mirror Pool (Hosepipe Bans apart!) but i feel this would have been far more benefitial to put "the spare cash" into the Odean, which at the moment takes centre stage over the new fountains!
Not sure of the exact cost of the Mirror Pool (Hosepipe Bans apart!) but i feel this would have been far more benefitial to put "the spare cash" into the Odean, which at the moment takes centre stage over the new fountains! J B PRIESTLEY
  • Score: 0

1:01pm Tue 13 Mar 12

bradfordian says...

This once beautiful building,the odeon, has been left to go to rack and ruin for over a decade. Now the people of Bradford should show their strength and protest peacefully against the demolitian of the odeon. T&A SHOW YOUR BACKBONE AND START A CAMPAIGN TO SAVE THIS BUILDING FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
This once beautiful building,the odeon, has been left to go to rack and ruin for over a decade. Now the people of Bradford should show their strength and protest peacefully against the demolitian of the odeon. T&A SHOW YOUR BACKBONE AND START A CAMPAIGN TO SAVE THIS BUILDING FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. bradfordian
  • Score: 1

1:01pm Tue 13 Mar 12

bradfordian says...

This once beautiful building,the odeon, has been left to go to rack and ruin for over a decade. Now the people of Bradford should show their strength and protest peacefully against the demolitian of the odeon. T&A SHOW YOUR BACKBONE AND START A CAMPAIGN TO SAVE THIS BUILDING FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
This once beautiful building,the odeon, has been left to go to rack and ruin for over a decade. Now the people of Bradford should show their strength and protest peacefully against the demolitian of the odeon. T&A SHOW YOUR BACKBONE AND START A CAMPAIGN TO SAVE THIS BUILDING FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. bradfordian
  • Score: 1

1:09pm Tue 13 Mar 12

_Size3_ says...

BD16 wrote:
mr-dog wrote: KNOCK IT DOWN.
And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants?
No - you are right....keep it there rotting away. Much better option!!!
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr-dog[/bold] wrote: KNOCK IT DOWN.[/p][/quote]And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants?[/p][/quote]No - you are right....keep it there rotting away. Much better option!!! _Size3_
  • Score: -1

1:16pm Tue 13 Mar 12

BD16 says...

_Size3_ wrote:
BD16 wrote:
mr-dog wrote: KNOCK IT DOWN.
And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants?
No - you are right....keep it there rotting away. Much better option!!!
Please look at my post of 12:53. I await your alternative suggestions that would better utilise the site with interest.
[quote][p][bold]_Size3_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr-dog[/bold] wrote: KNOCK IT DOWN.[/p][/quote]And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants?[/p][/quote]No - you are right....keep it there rotting away. Much better option!!![/p][/quote]Please look at my post of 12:53. I await your alternative suggestions that would better utilise the site with interest. BD16
  • Score: 1

1:52pm Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

After speaking to the council this morning i am not sure what to think ? they were rude.and unhelpful.asking me questions about who i was,where did i live,whats my number? do we have freedom of speach?I do not think we do, very very scary.I just asked what was happening with the odeon.The lady said she did not know and it was nothing to do with the council? I thought they were working to help people i was so wrong!
After speaking to the council this morning i am not sure what to think ? they were rude.and unhelpful.asking me questions about who i was,where did i live,whats my number? do we have freedom of speach?I do not think we do, very very scary.I just asked what was happening with the odeon.The lady said she did not know and it was nothing to do with the council? I thought they were working to help people i was so wrong! savetheodeoncinemabradford
  • Score: 1

2:00pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Tell_Titus says...

BD16 wrote:
_Size3_ wrote:
BD16 wrote:
mr-dog wrote: KNOCK IT DOWN.
And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants?
No - you are right....keep it there rotting away. Much better option!!!
Please look at my post of 12:53. I await your alternative suggestions that would better utilise the site with interest.
An O2 academy would be ideal to hold gigs. Bring the punters back to Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]_Size3_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr-dog[/bold] wrote: KNOCK IT DOWN.[/p][/quote]And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants?[/p][/quote]No - you are right....keep it there rotting away. Much better option!!![/p][/quote]Please look at my post of 12:53. I await your alternative suggestions that would better utilise the site with interest.[/p][/quote]An O2 academy would be ideal to hold gigs. Bring the punters back to Bradford. Tell_Titus
  • Score: -1

2:02pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Clowny says...

You can find all the info here:

http://savetheodeon.
wordpress.com/
You can find all the info here: http://savetheodeon. wordpress.com/ Clowny
  • Score: 0

2:08pm Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

I think the bradford whole on the other side of town should be abandoned,in favour of the odeon be coming a shopping/entertainem
ent emporium. keeping all the architecture and period detail inside and out,it would pay for its self in no time.there you go something productive /viable
I think the bradford whole on the other side of town should be abandoned,in favour of the odeon be coming a shopping/entertainem ent emporium. keeping all the architecture and period detail inside and out,it would pay for its self in no time.there you go something productive /viable savetheodeoncinemabradford
  • Score: 0

2:10pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Babbsy says...

Why this building continues to prove so immotive I really have no idea. It's a red brick monstrosity on the whole, and completely out of keeping with our proud stone City. It should never have been allowed to be built in the first place. The best plans I saw were from years ago to turn it into some sort of leisure arcade with bars and a hotel etc, glass fronted, and just retaining the domes on top (The only thing worth keeping) that fell by the way side because this absolutely insane group put the mockers on as far as I can remember. I'm not a fan of this inept council by any means, but to me it seems that every time they've proposed something this delusional group, who I can only think originate from South Leeds, given their love for red brick, seem to block it or go on a wall hugging session. Get it down and replace it with something befitting of the architecture of the City Centre.
Why this building continues to prove so immotive I really have no idea. It's a red brick monstrosity on the whole, and completely out of keeping with our proud stone City. It should never have been allowed to be built in the first place. The best plans I saw were from years ago to turn it into some sort of leisure arcade with bars and a hotel etc, glass fronted, and just retaining the domes on top (The only thing worth keeping) that fell by the way side because this absolutely insane group put the mockers on as far as I can remember. I'm not a fan of this inept council by any means, but to me it seems that every time they've proposed something this delusional group, who I can only think originate from South Leeds, given their love for red brick, seem to block it or go on a wall hugging session. Get it down and replace it with something befitting of the architecture of the City Centre. Babbsy
  • Score: -1

2:11pm Tue 13 Mar 12

AAA.Happy.Man says...

moanmoanwhingewhinge wrote:
AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
When I arrived in Bradford many years ago, much was the wailing and wringing of hands about the loss of something called the 'Swan Arcade' or some such building. Let's all get ready for another session of moaning over the demolition of the magnificent façade and domes of the Odeon. This is the face of Thatcher's Capitalizm - Private Profit. The poorest will pick up the cost of repairing the social, health, environmental, un-employment consequences of the Grab-it-and-Run elements in our society. These asset stripping Spivs are now going to do the same to your NHS - and you are to blame - you knew what you were voting for - and you've got it! Don't try to put the blame onto others. AHM ;-))
Not EVERYONE votes Tory, a-hole
moanmoanwhingewhinge says...
12:01pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Not EVERYONE votes Tory, a-hole
======
Temper, temper!
;-))
[quote][p][bold]moanmoanwhingewhinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: When I arrived in Bradford many years ago, much was the wailing and wringing of hands about the loss of something called the 'Swan Arcade' or some such building. Let's all get ready for another session of moaning over the demolition of the magnificent façade and domes of the Odeon. This is the face of Thatcher's Capitalizm - Private Profit. The poorest will pick up the cost of repairing the social, health, environmental, un-employment consequences of the Grab-it-and-Run elements in our society. These asset stripping Spivs are now going to do the same to your NHS - and you are to blame - you knew what you were voting for - and you've got it! Don't try to put the blame onto others. AHM ;-))[/p][/quote]Not EVERYONE votes Tory, a-hole[/p][/quote]moanmoanwhingewhinge says... 12:01pm Tue 13 Mar 12 Not EVERYONE votes Tory, a-hole ====== Temper, temper! ;-)) AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: 0

2:11pm Tue 13 Mar 12

AAA.Happy.Man says...

moanmoanwhingewhinge wrote:
AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
When I arrived in Bradford many years ago, much was the wailing and wringing of hands about the loss of something called the 'Swan Arcade' or some such building. Let's all get ready for another session of moaning over the demolition of the magnificent façade and domes of the Odeon. This is the face of Thatcher's Capitalizm - Private Profit. The poorest will pick up the cost of repairing the social, health, environmental, un-employment consequences of the Grab-it-and-Run elements in our society. These asset stripping Spivs are now going to do the same to your NHS - and you are to blame - you knew what you were voting for - and you've got it! Don't try to put the blame onto others. AHM ;-))
Not EVERYONE votes Tory, a-hole
moanmoanwhingewhinge says...
12:01pm Tue 13 Mar 12
Not EVERYONE votes Tory, a-hole
======
Temper, temper!
;-))
[quote][p][bold]moanmoanwhingewhinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: When I arrived in Bradford many years ago, much was the wailing and wringing of hands about the loss of something called the 'Swan Arcade' or some such building. Let's all get ready for another session of moaning over the demolition of the magnificent façade and domes of the Odeon. This is the face of Thatcher's Capitalizm - Private Profit. The poorest will pick up the cost of repairing the social, health, environmental, un-employment consequences of the Grab-it-and-Run elements in our society. These asset stripping Spivs are now going to do the same to your NHS - and you are to blame - you knew what you were voting for - and you've got it! Don't try to put the blame onto others. AHM ;-))[/p][/quote]Not EVERYONE votes Tory, a-hole[/p][/quote]moanmoanwhingewhinge says... 12:01pm Tue 13 Mar 12 Not EVERYONE votes Tory, a-hole ====== Temper, temper! ;-)) AAA.Happy.Man
  • Score: 0

2:14pm Tue 13 Mar 12

ctm says...

The potential alternative uses for the site are the same whether you use the existing building or not except that starting from cleared site offers more flexibility. The most likely actual use of the site will be the one that makes most economic sense to a developer.
The potential alternative uses for the site are the same whether you use the existing building or not except that starting from cleared site offers more flexibility. The most likely actual use of the site will be the one that makes most economic sense to a developer. ctm
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2:14pm Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

All the builders in bradford and surrounding areas could get together,and offer there time to do it up free if the owners paid to have the asbestos removing.I would happly offer my time it would be well worth it!
All the builders in bradford and surrounding areas could get together,and offer there time to do it up free if the owners paid to have the asbestos removing.I would happly offer my time it would be well worth it! savetheodeoncinemabradford
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2:14pm Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

All the builders in bradford and surrounding areas could get together,and offer there time to do it up free if the owners paid to have the asbestos removing.I would happly offer my time it would be well worth it!
All the builders in bradford and surrounding areas could get together,and offer there time to do it up free if the owners paid to have the asbestos removing.I would happly offer my time it would be well worth it! savetheodeoncinemabradford
  • Score: 0

2:17pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Babbsy says...

Everything's the fault of the Tories. So heartless to the impoverished. I couldn't get out of the door of my one bed council flat for the vast piles of money Labour threw at me back in the day. Now I'm back to eating gruel every meal time and being spat at in the face by Tory Councillers in Town when I make my monthly trip to Poundworld.
Everything's the fault of the Tories. So heartless to the impoverished. I couldn't get out of the door of my one bed council flat for the vast piles of money Labour threw at me back in the day. Now I'm back to eating gruel every meal time and being spat at in the face by Tory Councillers in Town when I make my monthly trip to Poundworld. Babbsy
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2:28pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Liamk7978 says...

It'll be homes for the polish and eastern europeans, or an hotel, or more bookies and charity shops or even another nightclub for rock bands.
It'll be homes for the polish and eastern europeans, or an hotel, or more bookies and charity shops or even another nightclub for rock bands. Liamk7978
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2:28pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Liamk7978 says...

It'll be homes for the polish and eastern europeans, or an hotel, or more bookies and charity shops or even another nightclub for rock bands.
It'll be homes for the polish and eastern europeans, or an hotel, or more bookies and charity shops or even another nightclub for rock bands. Liamk7978
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2:29pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Avro says...

savetheodeoncinemabr
adford
wrote:
I think the bradford whole on the other side of town should be abandoned,in favour of the odeon be coming a shopping/entertainem ent emporium. keeping all the architecture and period detail inside and out,it would pay for its self in no time.there you go something productive /viable
Ridiculous, is it any wonder the Council take litle notice?!
[quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: I think the bradford whole on the other side of town should be abandoned,in favour of the odeon be coming a shopping/entertainem ent emporium. keeping all the architecture and period detail inside and out,it would pay for its self in no time.there you go something productive /viable[/p][/quote]Ridiculous, is it any wonder the Council take litle notice?! Avro
  • Score: 0

2:29pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Joedavid says...

savetheodeoncinemabr
adford
wrote:
After speaking to the council this morning i am not sure what to think ? they were rude.and unhelpful.asking me questions about who i was,where did i live,whats my number? do we have freedom of speach?I do not think we do, very very scary.I just asked what was happening with the odeon.The lady said she did not know and it was nothing to do with the council? I thought they were working to help people i was so wrong!
There was no need of them to be rude and unhelpful to a member of the public and obviously need some urgent training in communication skills.
Really what is happening at the Odeon is the new owners are doing what the previous owners negleted to do is look after the building. Seems to me getting it safe and water tight and that should please those who like me want the New Victoria back.
The involvement of the Council was to give a Developer permission to knock it down if he commenced building, but the Developer as not even bought it from the owner, HCA, part of the Government.
Why the T&A and some here are so negative about the HCA report I do not understand.
[quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: After speaking to the council this morning i am not sure what to think ? they were rude.and unhelpful.asking me questions about who i was,where did i live,whats my number? do we have freedom of speach?I do not think we do, very very scary.I just asked what was happening with the odeon.The lady said she did not know and it was nothing to do with the council? I thought they were working to help people i was so wrong![/p][/quote]There was no need of them to be rude and unhelpful to a member of the public and obviously need some urgent training in communication skills. Really what is happening at the Odeon is the new owners are doing what the previous owners negleted to do is look after the building. Seems to me getting it safe and water tight and that should please those who like me want the New Victoria back. The involvement of the Council was to give a Developer permission to knock it down if he commenced building, but the Developer as not even bought it from the owner, HCA, part of the Government. Why the T&A and some here are so negative about the HCA report I do not understand. Joedavid
  • Score: 0

2:30pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Joedavid says...

savetheodeoncinemabr
adford
wrote:
After speaking to the council this morning i am not sure what to think ? they were rude.and unhelpful.asking me questions about who i was,where did i live,whats my number? do we have freedom of speach?I do not think we do, very very scary.I just asked what was happening with the odeon.The lady said she did not know and it was nothing to do with the council? I thought they were working to help people i was so wrong!
There was no need of them to be rude and unhelpful to a member of the public and obviously need some urgent training in communication skills.
Really what is happening at the Odeon is the new owners are doing what the previous owners negleted to do is look after the building. Seems to me getting it safe and water tight and that should please those who like me want the New Victoria back.
The involvement of the Council was to give a Developer permission to knock it down if he commenced building, but the Developer as not even bought it from the owner, HCA, part of the Government.
Why the T&A and some here are so negative about the HCA report I do not understand.
[quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: After speaking to the council this morning i am not sure what to think ? they were rude.and unhelpful.asking me questions about who i was,where did i live,whats my number? do we have freedom of speach?I do not think we do, very very scary.I just asked what was happening with the odeon.The lady said she did not know and it was nothing to do with the council? I thought they were working to help people i was so wrong![/p][/quote]There was no need of them to be rude and unhelpful to a member of the public and obviously need some urgent training in communication skills. Really what is happening at the Odeon is the new owners are doing what the previous owners negleted to do is look after the building. Seems to me getting it safe and water tight and that should please those who like me want the New Victoria back. The involvement of the Council was to give a Developer permission to knock it down if he commenced building, but the Developer as not even bought it from the owner, HCA, part of the Government. Why the T&A and some here are so negative about the HCA report I do not understand. Joedavid
  • Score: 0

2:30pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Avro says...

savetheodeoncinemabr
adford
wrote:
All the builders in bradford and surrounding areas could get together,and offer there time to do it up free if the owners paid to have the asbestos removing.I would happly offer my time it would be well worth it!
Now you really have lost the plot!
[quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: All the builders in bradford and surrounding areas could get together,and offer there time to do it up free if the owners paid to have the asbestos removing.I would happly offer my time it would be well worth it![/p][/quote]Now you really have lost the plot! Avro
  • Score: -1

2:31pm Tue 13 Mar 12

RIKMAX11 says...

Asbestos isn't a problem. It's not floating around until somebody starts disturbing it recklessly. Many tonnes were removed safely from Battersea Power Station by professionals, prior to it becoming a worthwhile and valuable asset; so a few sprouting twigs shouldn't be an obstacle. The Beatles shook the Gaumont but maybe someone can now stabilise it once again, it would good news.
Asbestos isn't a problem. It's not floating around until somebody starts disturbing it recklessly. Many tonnes were removed safely from Battersea Power Station by professionals, prior to it becoming a worthwhile and valuable asset; so a few sprouting twigs shouldn't be an obstacle. The Beatles shook the Gaumont but maybe someone can now stabilise it once again, it would good news. RIKMAX11
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2:32pm Tue 13 Mar 12

thatsnotmyname says...

I would like to see the Uks biggest planetarium there. Bradford has lots of interest in Space.
I would like to see the Uks biggest planetarium there. Bradford has lots of interest in Space. thatsnotmyname
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2:35pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Avro says...

savetheodeoncinemabr
adford
wrote:
After speaking to the council this morning i am not sure what to think ? they were rude.and unhelpful.asking me questions about who i was,where did i live,whats my number? do we have freedom of speach?I do not think we do, very very scary.I just asked what was happening with the odeon.The lady said she did not know and it was nothing to do with the council? I thought they were working to help people i was so wrong!
Is it any wonder that you got the brush off from the Council in you coming out with:

"All the builders in bradford and surrounding areas could get together, and offer there time to do it up free if the owners paid to have the asbestos removing."

I wouldn't hold out much hope out for a result with your facebook page.
[quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: After speaking to the council this morning i am not sure what to think ? they were rude.and unhelpful.asking me questions about who i was,where did i live,whats my number? do we have freedom of speach?I do not think we do, very very scary.I just asked what was happening with the odeon.The lady said she did not know and it was nothing to do with the council? I thought they were working to help people i was so wrong![/p][/quote]Is it any wonder that you got the brush off from the Council in you coming out with: "All the builders in bradford and surrounding areas could get together, and offer there time to do it up free if the owners paid to have the asbestos removing." I wouldn't hold out much hope out for a result with your facebook page. Avro
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3:06pm Tue 13 Mar 12

yorkshiredude says...

savetheodeoncinemabr
adford
wrote:
After speaking to the council this morning i am not sure what to think ? they were rude.and unhelpful.asking me questions about who i was,where did i live,whats my number? do we have freedom of speach?I do not think we do, very very scary.I just asked what was happening with the odeon.The lady said she did not know and it was nothing to do with the council? I thought they were working to help people i was so wrong!
What were you asking?
[quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: After speaking to the council this morning i am not sure what to think ? they were rude.and unhelpful.asking me questions about who i was,where did i live,whats my number? do we have freedom of speach?I do not think we do, very very scary.I just asked what was happening with the odeon.The lady said she did not know and it was nothing to do with the council? I thought they were working to help people i was so wrong![/p][/quote]What were you asking? yorkshiredude
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3:07pm Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

Babbsy wrote:
Why this building continues to prove so immotive I really have no idea. It's a red brick monstrosity on the whole, and completely out of keeping with our proud stone City. It should never have been allowed to be built in the first place. The best plans I saw were from years ago to turn it into some sort of leisure arcade with bars and a hotel etc, glass fronted, and just retaining the domes on top (The only thing worth keeping) that fell by the way side because this absolutely insane group put the mockers on as far as I can remember. I'm not a fan of this inept council by any means, but to me it seems that every time they've proposed something this delusional group, who I can only think originate from South Leeds, given their love for red brick, seem to block it or go on a wall hugging session. Get it down and replace it with something befitting of the architecture of the City Centre.
what like the mirror pool,and the buildings next to it that look like changing rooms at the sea side they fit in not!
[quote][p][bold]Babbsy[/bold] wrote: Why this building continues to prove so immotive I really have no idea. It's a red brick monstrosity on the whole, and completely out of keeping with our proud stone City. It should never have been allowed to be built in the first place. The best plans I saw were from years ago to turn it into some sort of leisure arcade with bars and a hotel etc, glass fronted, and just retaining the domes on top (The only thing worth keeping) that fell by the way side because this absolutely insane group put the mockers on as far as I can remember. I'm not a fan of this inept council by any means, but to me it seems that every time they've proposed something this delusional group, who I can only think originate from South Leeds, given their love for red brick, seem to block it or go on a wall hugging session. Get it down and replace it with something befitting of the architecture of the City Centre.[/p][/quote]what like the mirror pool,and the buildings next to it that look like changing rooms at the sea side they fit in not! savetheodeoncinemabradford
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3:13pm Tue 13 Mar 12

fotoman says...

The whole of this “new” report is total and utter poppycock
The building is as safe as houses.
This “report” is little more than scare tactics cobbled together by the council and the T&A to justify demolishing this fine old building.
Despite the council's attempts to give the impression that the interior is past saving, the fabulous art deco interior of the theatre, the restaurant and the ballroom are still pretty much intact, and could be very easily restored.
A bit odd that this “asbestos problem” is only being discussed now, when the visit by the councillors took place three years ago.
Even more surprising because people who used to work there say all the asbestos was removed from the building years ago.
This whole sorry saga smacks of spin and suspicious goings-on. Diabolical corporate vandalism.
The council should be ashamed of its economy with the truth.
The whole of this “new” report is total and utter poppycock The building is as safe as houses. This “report” is little more than scare tactics cobbled together by the council and the T&A to justify demolishing this fine old building. Despite the council's attempts to give the impression that the interior is past saving, the fabulous art deco interior of the theatre, the restaurant and the ballroom are still pretty much intact, and could be very easily restored. A bit odd that this “asbestos problem” is only being discussed now, when the visit by the councillors took place three years ago. Even more surprising because people who used to work there say all the asbestos was removed from the building years ago. This whole sorry saga smacks of spin and suspicious goings-on. Diabolical corporate vandalism. The council should be ashamed of its economy with the truth. fotoman
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3:14pm Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

Avro wrote:
savetheodeoncinemabr

adford
wrote:
I think the bradford whole on the other side of town should be abandoned,in favour of the odeon be coming a shopping/entertainem ent emporium. keeping all the architecture and period detail inside and out,it would pay for its self in no time.there you go something productive /viable
Ridiculous, is it any wonder the Council take litle notice?!
thanks i am glad i care about something so much thats the problem with people it is too much trouble and time to care
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: I think the bradford whole on the other side of town should be abandoned,in favour of the odeon be coming a shopping/entertainem ent emporium. keeping all the architecture and period detail inside and out,it would pay for its self in no time.there you go something productive /viable[/p][/quote]Ridiculous, is it any wonder the Council take litle notice?![/p][/quote]thanks i am glad i care about something so much thats the problem with people it is too much trouble and time to care savetheodeoncinemabradford
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3:14pm Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

Avro wrote:
savetheodeoncinemabr

adford
wrote:
I think the bradford whole on the other side of town should be abandoned,in favour of the odeon be coming a shopping/entertainem ent emporium. keeping all the architecture and period detail inside and out,it would pay for its self in no time.there you go something productive /viable
Ridiculous, is it any wonder the Council take litle notice?!
thanks i am glad i care about something so much thats the problem with people it is too much trouble and time to care
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: I think the bradford whole on the other side of town should be abandoned,in favour of the odeon be coming a shopping/entertainem ent emporium. keeping all the architecture and period detail inside and out,it would pay for its self in no time.there you go something productive /viable[/p][/quote]Ridiculous, is it any wonder the Council take litle notice?![/p][/quote]thanks i am glad i care about something so much thats the problem with people it is too much trouble and time to care savetheodeoncinemabradford
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3:42pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Andy2010 says...

Tell_Titus wrote:
BD16 wrote:
_Size3_ wrote:
BD16 wrote:
mr-dog wrote: KNOCK IT DOWN.
And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants?
No - you are right....keep it there rotting away. Much better option!!!
Please look at my post of 12:53. I await your alternative suggestions that would better utilise the site with interest.
An O2 academy would be ideal to hold gigs. Bring the punters back to Bradford.
Funny you should say that as I used to work at O2 and they had a meeting with Bradford council about 4 year ago with a view of actually opening an academy at the Odeon as it was felt the Leeds one being small it could have complimented it. Even with cash on the table I understood it was simply rejected straight off which is a shame. It would appear the council have had plans to demolish this building for years now
[quote][p][bold]Tell_Titus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]_Size3_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr-dog[/bold] wrote: KNOCK IT DOWN.[/p][/quote]And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants?[/p][/quote]No - you are right....keep it there rotting away. Much better option!!![/p][/quote]Please look at my post of 12:53. I await your alternative suggestions that would better utilise the site with interest.[/p][/quote]An O2 academy would be ideal to hold gigs. Bring the punters back to Bradford.[/p][/quote]Funny you should say that as I used to work at O2 and they had a meeting with Bradford council about 4 year ago with a view of actually opening an academy at the Odeon as it was felt the Leeds one being small it could have complimented it. Even with cash on the table I understood it was simply rejected straight off which is a shame. It would appear the council have had plans to demolish this building for years now Andy2010
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3:57pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Aphid P Critchley says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Tell_Titus wrote:
BD16 wrote:
_Size3_ wrote:
BD16 wrote:
mr-dog wrote: KNOCK IT DOWN.
And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants?
No - you are right....keep it there rotting away. Much better option!!!
Please look at my post of 12:53. I await your alternative suggestions that would better utilise the site with interest.
An O2 academy would be ideal to hold gigs. Bring the punters back to Bradford.
Funny you should say that as I used to work at O2 and they had a meeting with Bradford council about 4 year ago with a view of actually opening an academy at the Odeon as it was felt the Leeds one being small it could have complimented it. Even with cash on the table I understood it was simply rejected straight off which is a shame. It would appear the council have had plans to demolish this building for years now
If true, then that is sacandalous. Using the Odeon as a gig venue would have been the sort of thing that would bring people into the city centre.

Time and time again Bradford Council let the people of Bradford down because they are dazzled by plans showing shiny new buildings. You would think that, given the buildings that the city centre has lost over the past 50 years, they might have learnt some lessons from their predecessors but apparently not

It's noticeable that the owners of the former Majestic Cinema in Leeds seem to be able to have a bit more imagination as to how to use a former cinema.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tell_Titus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]_Size3_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr-dog[/bold] wrote: KNOCK IT DOWN.[/p][/quote]And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants?[/p][/quote]No - you are right....keep it there rotting away. Much better option!!![/p][/quote]Please look at my post of 12:53. I await your alternative suggestions that would better utilise the site with interest.[/p][/quote]An O2 academy would be ideal to hold gigs. Bring the punters back to Bradford.[/p][/quote]Funny you should say that as I used to work at O2 and they had a meeting with Bradford council about 4 year ago with a view of actually opening an academy at the Odeon as it was felt the Leeds one being small it could have complimented it. Even with cash on the table I understood it was simply rejected straight off which is a shame. It would appear the council have had plans to demolish this building for years now[/p][/quote]If true, then that is sacandalous. Using the Odeon as a gig venue would have been the sort of thing that would bring people into the city centre. Time and time again Bradford Council let the people of Bradford down because they are dazzled by plans showing shiny new buildings. You would think that, given the buildings that the city centre has lost over the past 50 years, they might have learnt some lessons from their predecessors but apparently not It's noticeable that the owners of the former Majestic Cinema in Leeds seem to be able to have a bit more imagination as to how to use a former cinema. Aphid P Critchley
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4:03pm Tue 13 Mar 12

markjoe says...

I'm surprised it hasn't spontaneously combusted by now like a lot of other historical buildings in Bradford
I'm surprised it hasn't spontaneously combusted by now like a lot of other historical buildings in Bradford markjoe
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4:18pm Tue 13 Mar 12

eebygum says...

Alas it's too late now but my plan would be to make the Odeon like the Alhambra with a glass front and move the media and Film museum in there. It would complement the Alhambra would not dwarf it like the proposed development. It would look great across the mirror lake especially at night all lit up like the Alhambra. What better way to get Bradford on the Map?
Alas it's too late now but my plan would be to make the Odeon like the Alhambra with a glass front and move the media and Film museum in there. It would complement the Alhambra would not dwarf it like the proposed development. It would look great across the mirror lake especially at night all lit up like the Alhambra. What better way to get Bradford on the Map? eebygum
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4:22pm Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

Avro wrote:
savetheodeoncinemabr

adford
wrote:
I think the bradford whole on the other side of town should be abandoned,in favour of the odeon be coming a shopping/entertainem ent emporium. keeping all the architecture and period detail inside and out,it would pay for its self in no time.there you go something productive /viable
Ridiculous, is it any wonder the Council take litle notice?!
I am sorry you find me and my ideas ridicolous.My spelling is not to good either as i am dyslexic,so i am sorry for my short comings,but i am passionate about things i care about.my parents met there 50 years ago ,then adopted me and my sister.Its there golden wedding anniversary this year and they of ill health.I would not like them to see it demolished all those memories it is sad!
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: I think the bradford whole on the other side of town should be abandoned,in favour of the odeon be coming a shopping/entertainem ent emporium. keeping all the architecture and period detail inside and out,it would pay for its self in no time.there you go something productive /viable[/p][/quote]Ridiculous, is it any wonder the Council take litle notice?![/p][/quote]I am sorry you find me and my ideas ridicolous.My spelling is not to good either as i am dyslexic,so i am sorry for my short comings,but i am passionate about things i care about.my parents met there 50 years ago ,then adopted me and my sister.Its there golden wedding anniversary this year and they of ill health.I would not like them to see it demolished all those memories it is sad! savetheodeoncinemabradford
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4:26pm Tue 13 Mar 12

eebygum says...

On anther note, I never thought about the dangers of asbestos in my youth. I wonder if I was any less effected by it when my tongue was stuck down some poor lasses throat.
On anther note, I never thought about the dangers of asbestos in my youth. I wonder if I was any less effected by it when my tongue was stuck down some poor lasses throat. eebygum
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5:04pm Tue 13 Mar 12

angry bradfordian says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Tell_Titus wrote:
BD16 wrote:
_Size3_ wrote:
BD16 wrote:
mr-dog wrote: KNOCK IT DOWN.
And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants?
No - you are right....keep it there rotting away. Much better option!!!
Please look at my post of 12:53. I await your alternative suggestions that would better utilise the site with interest.
An O2 academy would be ideal to hold gigs. Bring the punters back to Bradford.
Funny you should say that as I used to work at O2 and they had a meeting with Bradford council about 4 year ago with a view of actually opening an academy at the Odeon as it was felt the Leeds one being small it could have complimented it. Even with cash on the table I understood it was simply rejected straight off which is a shame. It would appear the council have had plans to demolish this building for years now
I can't say that this surprises me, as it seems that the council & Yorkshire Forward have had no interest in keeping it for a reason that has never been clear.

A decent music venue would have brought thousands of people into the city on an evening spending a fair bit of money. That's why Leeds Council have spent the proceeds of the Airport sale on the new arena and we've ended up with a pond.

That's why I'm planning on turning up at the pond opening for a protest. I know it'll be pointless but it'll make me feel better! And who knows I might enjoy the human fountains and inflatable lobsters.......
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tell_Titus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]_Size3_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr-dog[/bold] wrote: KNOCK IT DOWN.[/p][/quote]And build what? Empty offices? Flats nobody wants?[/p][/quote]No - you are right....keep it there rotting away. Much better option!!![/p][/quote]Please look at my post of 12:53. I await your alternative suggestions that would better utilise the site with interest.[/p][/quote]An O2 academy would be ideal to hold gigs. Bring the punters back to Bradford.[/p][/quote]Funny you should say that as I used to work at O2 and they had a meeting with Bradford council about 4 year ago with a view of actually opening an academy at the Odeon as it was felt the Leeds one being small it could have complimented it. Even with cash on the table I understood it was simply rejected straight off which is a shame. It would appear the council have had plans to demolish this building for years now[/p][/quote]I can't say that this surprises me, as it seems that the council & Yorkshire Forward have had no interest in keeping it for a reason that has never been clear. A decent music venue would have brought thousands of people into the city on an evening spending a fair bit of money. That's why Leeds Council have spent the proceeds of the Airport sale on the new arena and we've ended up with a pond. That's why I'm planning on turning up at the pond opening for a protest. I know it'll be pointless but it'll make me feel better! And who knows I might enjoy the human fountains and inflatable lobsters....... angry bradfordian
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5:04pm Tue 13 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

eebygum wrote:
Alas it's too late now but my plan would be to make the Odeon like the Alhambra with a glass front and move the media and Film museum in there. It would complement the Alhambra would not dwarf it like the proposed development. It would look great across the mirror lake especially at night all lit up like the Alhambra. What better way to get Bradford on the Map?
that was one of my many ideas i wish this could happen it seems to make sense.
[quote][p][bold]eebygum[/bold] wrote: Alas it's too late now but my plan would be to make the Odeon like the Alhambra with a glass front and move the media and Film museum in there. It would complement the Alhambra would not dwarf it like the proposed development. It would look great across the mirror lake especially at night all lit up like the Alhambra. What better way to get Bradford on the Map?[/p][/quote]that was one of my many ideas i wish this could happen it seems to make sense. savetheodeoncinemabradford
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5:10pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Chevin50 says...

So Mr Green you have seen the comments, whats the plan? Action not words please, thats what you paid for.
So Mr Green you have seen the comments, whats the plan? Action not words please, thats what you paid for. Chevin50
  • Score: 0

5:40pm Tue 13 Mar 12

SteveW56 says...

As a building within the City Centre Conservation area it should be treated as a Listed Building, or if a Listed Building itself the owners have a repairing liability which can be legally enforced by the Local Authority. Anyone buying such a building inherits that repairing liability and therefore the HCA may have a legal duty to repair the building. I would love to see Bradford Council enforce that one! Personally I would like to see the whole thing demolished and Bradford rid of an embarrassing eyesore!
As a building within the City Centre Conservation area it should be treated as a Listed Building, or if a Listed Building itself the owners have a repairing liability which can be legally enforced by the Local Authority. Anyone buying such a building inherits that repairing liability and therefore the HCA may have a legal duty to repair the building. I would love to see Bradford Council enforce that one! Personally I would like to see the whole thing demolished and Bradford rid of an embarrassing eyesore! SteveW56
  • Score: -1

5:49pm Tue 13 Mar 12

angry bradfordian says...

SteveW56 wrote:
As a building within the City Centre Conservation area it should be treated as a Listed Building, or if a Listed Building itself the owners have a repairing liability which can be legally enforced by the Local Authority. Anyone buying such a building inherits that repairing liability and therefore the HCA may have a legal duty to repair the building. I would love to see Bradford Council enforce that one! Personally I would like to see the whole thing demolished and Bradford rid of an embarrassing eyesore!
Yes, the council should be enforcing it. However it appears that their opinion is just that it's 'frustrating'. The new owners must be quaking in their boots!
[quote][p][bold]SteveW56[/bold] wrote: As a building within the City Centre Conservation area it should be treated as a Listed Building, or if a Listed Building itself the owners have a repairing liability which can be legally enforced by the Local Authority. Anyone buying such a building inherits that repairing liability and therefore the HCA may have a legal duty to repair the building. I would love to see Bradford Council enforce that one! Personally I would like to see the whole thing demolished and Bradford rid of an embarrassing eyesore![/p][/quote]Yes, the council should be enforcing it. However it appears that their opinion is just that it's 'frustrating'. The new owners must be quaking in their boots! angry bradfordian
  • Score: 1

5:59pm Tue 13 Mar 12

bradford rose says...

savetheodeoncinemabr
adford
wrote:
eebygum wrote: Alas it's too late now but my plan would be to make the Odeon like the Alhambra with a glass front and move the media and Film museum in there. It would complement the Alhambra would not dwarf it like the proposed development. It would look great across the mirror lake especially at night all lit up like the Alhambra. What better way to get Bradford on the Map?
that was one of my many ideas i wish this could happen it seems to make sense.
It is never too late as long as the building is still standing.
Save the Odeon, your ideas are not ridiculous but you need to do more than wish they could happen. You need to get other people on board to help you organise your campaign. Get in touch with Radio Leeds, Look North, and other local media to make it public, and why not contact John Pennington and BORG to find out what they are doing now (if anything)
[quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eebygum[/bold] wrote: Alas it's too late now but my plan would be to make the Odeon like the Alhambra with a glass front and move the media and Film museum in there. It would complement the Alhambra would not dwarf it like the proposed development. It would look great across the mirror lake especially at night all lit up like the Alhambra. What better way to get Bradford on the Map?[/p][/quote]that was one of my many ideas i wish this could happen it seems to make sense.[/p][/quote]It is never too late as long as the building is still standing. Save the Odeon, your ideas are not ridiculous but you need to do more than wish they could happen. You need to get other people on board to help you organise your campaign. Get in touch with Radio Leeds, Look North, and other local media to make it public, and why not contact John Pennington and BORG to find out what they are doing now (if anything) bradford rose
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6:15pm Tue 13 Mar 12

bingleychap says...

moanmoanwhingewhinge wrote:
AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
When I arrived in Bradford many years ago, much was the wailing and wringing of hands about the loss of something called the 'Swan Arcade' or some such building. Let's all get ready for another session of moaning over the demolition of the magnificent façade and domes of the Odeon. This is the face of Thatcher's Capitalizm - Private Profit. The poorest will pick up the cost of repairing the social, health, environmental, un-employment consequences of the Grab-it-and-Run elements in our society. These asset stripping Spivs are now going to do the same to your NHS - and you are to blame - you knew what you were voting for - and you've got it! Don't try to put the blame onto others. AHM ;-))
Not EVERYONE votes Tory, a-hole
Swan Arcade was demolished in 1960 Margaret Thatcher became PM in 1979, perhaps you should get your facts right before opening mouth.
[quote][p][bold]moanmoanwhingewhinge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: When I arrived in Bradford many years ago, much was the wailing and wringing of hands about the loss of something called the 'Swan Arcade' or some such building. Let's all get ready for another session of moaning over the demolition of the magnificent façade and domes of the Odeon. This is the face of Thatcher's Capitalizm - Private Profit. The poorest will pick up the cost of repairing the social, health, environmental, un-employment consequences of the Grab-it-and-Run elements in our society. These asset stripping Spivs are now going to do the same to your NHS - and you are to blame - you knew what you were voting for - and you've got it! Don't try to put the blame onto others. AHM ;-))[/p][/quote]Not EVERYONE votes Tory, a-hole[/p][/quote]Swan Arcade was demolished in 1960 Margaret Thatcher became PM in 1979, perhaps you should get your facts right before opening mouth. bingleychap
  • Score: 1

6:24pm Tue 13 Mar 12

idleone says...

Joedavid wrote:
savetheodeoncinemabr

adford
wrote:
who is to blame ? The council? yorkshire forward? HCA? or me and you for not doing some thing about it when we had a chance.please help make bradford better not british!
You miss out the T&A for not leading a public campaign to save and restore the building back to its 1930 glory.
Joedavid. The T&A won't lead a campaign as they want st George's hall to be extended and use the T&A building adjoining it so getting lots of money from the council. those at the helm at the T&A have a plan and that is why they have been low key in the whole odeon fiasco and NEVER backed it. I have this on good authaurity from a T&A insider. All corrupt. The T&A don't care about our city it's a faceless fish wrapper more concerned with the wider financial gain than championing our city.

It will all be made public one day, I'm very sure of that ! Pennington, Littlewood and cronies are suspiciously quiet which makes me think there's a huge conspiracy going on.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: who is to blame ? The council? yorkshire forward? HCA? or me and you for not doing some thing about it when we had a chance.please help make bradford better not british![/p][/quote]You miss out the T&A for not leading a public campaign to save and restore the building back to its 1930 glory.[/p][/quote]Joedavid. The T&A won't lead a campaign as they want st George's hall to be extended and use the T&A building adjoining it so getting lots of money from the council. those at the helm at the T&A have a plan and that is why they have been low key in the whole odeon fiasco and NEVER backed it. I have this on good authaurity from a T&A insider. All corrupt. The T&A don't care about our city it's a faceless fish wrapper more concerned with the wider financial gain than championing our city. It will all be made public one day, I'm very sure of that ! Pennington, Littlewood and cronies are suspiciously quiet which makes me think there's a huge conspiracy going on. idleone
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6:34pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Avro says...

savetheodeoncinemabr
adford
wrote:
Avro wrote:
savetheodeoncinemabr


adford
wrote:
I think the bradford whole on the other side of town should be abandoned,in favour of the odeon be coming a shopping/entertainem ent emporium. keeping all the architecture and period detail inside and out,it would pay for its self in no time.there you go something productive /viable
Ridiculous, is it any wonder the Council take litle notice?!
I am sorry you find me and my ideas ridicolous.My spelling is not to good either as i am dyslexic,so i am sorry for my short comings,but i am passionate about things i care about.my parents met there 50 years ago ,then adopted me and my sister.Its there golden wedding anniversary this year and they of ill health.I would not like them to see it demolished all those memories it is sad!
Personal feelings or memories have no place in reality.
[quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: I think the bradford whole on the other side of town should be abandoned,in favour of the odeon be coming a shopping/entertainem ent emporium. keeping all the architecture and period detail inside and out,it would pay for its self in no time.there you go something productive /viable[/p][/quote]Ridiculous, is it any wonder the Council take litle notice?![/p][/quote]I am sorry you find me and my ideas ridicolous.My spelling is not to good either as i am dyslexic,so i am sorry for my short comings,but i am passionate about things i care about.my parents met there 50 years ago ,then adopted me and my sister.Its there golden wedding anniversary this year and they of ill health.I would not like them to see it demolished all those memories it is sad![/p][/quote]Personal feelings or memories have no place in reality. Avro
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7:27pm Tue 13 Mar 12

flogem says...

_Size3_ wrote:
Don't spend money repairing it....pull the bloody thing down!!
Size3 is that the size of your brain.
[quote][p][bold]_Size3_[/bold] wrote: Don't spend money repairing it....pull the bloody thing down!![/p][/quote]Size3 is that the size of your brain. flogem
  • Score: 1

7:37pm Tue 13 Mar 12

cawdry87 says...

Wish I'd have won some mega jackpot on EuroMillions lottery. Id buy this building in an instant. Now the city park is nearly complete, the Odeon compliments it more than i thought it would! Great looking building, different league to all the 1960/70s concrete characterless ones that seem to occupy the once ornate looking city centre. Plus, this video of photos taken from inside the Odeon in 2011, makes an interesting watch... http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?feature=pla
yer_embedded&v=4VYHd
HJ5EcI
Wish I'd have won some mega jackpot on EuroMillions lottery. Id buy this building in an instant. Now the city park is nearly complete, the Odeon compliments it more than i thought it would! Great looking building, different league to all the 1960/70s concrete characterless ones that seem to occupy the once ornate looking city centre. Plus, this video of photos taken from inside the Odeon in 2011, makes an interesting watch... http://www.youtube.c om/watch?feature=pla yer_embedded&v=4VYHd HJ5EcI cawdry87
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7:43pm Tue 13 Mar 12

AAA.Happy.Man says...

bingleychap says...
"Swan Arcade was demolished in 1960 Margaret Thatcher became PM in 1979, perhaps you should get your facts right before opening mouth."
-----------
I open my mouth to speak, it would seem you open your bowels for that process.
What I said was that this NEW outrage will be yet another consequence of the Thatcher-Blair philosophy of Greed-is-God-and-Goo
d.
The Bankers Privatised Profits and Nationalized the Debts.
In Bradford the Mill masters and their heirs filled their boots, and left their filthy legacy of polluted land, chronic industrial related illnesses, derelict buildings, etc, for us to pay to clear up. They luxuriate in their tax avoidance bolt holes while we squabble over by how much to reduce the minimum wage.
Re-Nationalize all OUR land, and make all tenants pay into a refurbishment fund, just like any other tenant, their deposit only to be returned when the site is restored to proper order.
That's what should have been done over the Odeon, which is not old enough to be listed I seem to have read when the plan to demolish it was 1st mooted some years ago.
;-))
bingleychap says... "Swan Arcade was demolished in 1960 Margaret Thatcher became PM in 1979, perhaps you should get your facts right before opening mouth." ----------- I open my mouth to speak, it would seem you open your bowels for that process. What I said was that this NEW outrage will be yet another consequence of the Thatcher-Blair philosophy of Greed-is-God-and-Goo d. The Bankers Privatised Profits and Nationalized the Debts. In Bradford the Mill masters and their heirs filled their boots, and left their filthy legacy of polluted land, chronic industrial related illnesses, derelict buildings, etc, for us to pay to clear up. They luxuriate in their tax avoidance bolt holes while we squabble over by how much to reduce the minimum wage. Re-Nationalize all OUR land, and make all tenants pay into a refurbishment fund, just like any other tenant, their deposit only to be returned when the site is restored to proper order. That's what should have been done over the Odeon, which is not old enough to be listed I seem to have read when the plan to demolish it was 1st mooted some years ago. ;-)) AAA.Happy.Man
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8:12pm Tue 13 Mar 12

mr-dog says...

Did it get knocked down yet?! ;-)
Did it get knocked down yet?! ;-) mr-dog
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8:20pm Tue 13 Mar 12

watcher22 says...

Just go my water bill for next year. It had a leaflet with it about raising money for people in Africa, Asia, etc. who don't have a proper water supply.
Bradford folk must be laughing their heads off when they read the leaflet cos they have got a huge £25m pond. Water problems? Not in Bradford!! Ha Ha.
I wonder what the children in the leaflet drough photographs would think if they saw what the megarich Bradfordians do with their money!
Turn the old Odeon into a walk in health centre for people who work in the city centre and can't get to their doctor for treatment for easy to treat problems cos the surgeries for working folk are closed at weekends.
Just go my water bill for next year. It had a leaflet with it about raising money for people in Africa, Asia, etc. who don't have a proper water supply. Bradford folk must be laughing their heads off when they read the leaflet cos they have got a huge £25m pond. Water problems? Not in Bradford!! Ha Ha. I wonder what the children in the leaflet drough photographs would think if they saw what the megarich Bradfordians do with their money! Turn the old Odeon into a walk in health centre for people who work in the city centre and can't get to their doctor for treatment for easy to treat problems cos the surgeries for working folk are closed at weekends. watcher22
  • Score: 0

8:27pm Tue 13 Mar 12

picknick says...

idleone wrote:
Joedavid wrote:
savetheodeoncinemabr


adford
wrote:
who is to blame ? The council? yorkshire forward? HCA? or me and you for not doing some thing about it when we had a chance.please help make bradford better not british!
You miss out the T&A for not leading a public campaign to save and restore the building back to its 1930 glory.
Joedavid. The T&A won't lead a campaign as they want st George's hall to be extended and use the T&A building adjoining it so getting lots of money from the council. those at the helm at the T&A have a plan and that is why they have been low key in the whole odeon fiasco and NEVER backed it. I have this on good authaurity from a T&A insider. All corrupt. The T&A don't care about our city it's a faceless fish wrapper more concerned with the wider financial gain than championing our city.

It will all be made public one day, I'm very sure of that ! Pennington, Littlewood and cronies are suspiciously quiet which makes me think there's a huge conspiracy going on.
idleone I have heard the real reason they will not back a campaign from a really great source too. I cant mention them on here. There is a conspiracy the land at the back of the
Odeon has been bought by the T&A and is to be used for their new T&A offices and new print works as theirs is now as dilapidated as the Odeon its self. Its an absolute disgrace.
[quote][p][bold]idleone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: who is to blame ? The council? yorkshire forward? HCA? or me and you for not doing some thing about it when we had a chance.please help make bradford better not british![/p][/quote]You miss out the T&A for not leading a public campaign to save and restore the building back to its 1930 glory.[/p][/quote]Joedavid. The T&A won't lead a campaign as they want st George's hall to be extended and use the T&A building adjoining it so getting lots of money from the council. those at the helm at the T&A have a plan and that is why they have been low key in the whole odeon fiasco and NEVER backed it. I have this on good authaurity from a T&A insider. All corrupt. The T&A don't care about our city it's a faceless fish wrapper more concerned with the wider financial gain than championing our city. It will all be made public one day, I'm very sure of that ! Pennington, Littlewood and cronies are suspiciously quiet which makes me think there's a huge conspiracy going on.[/p][/quote]idleone I have heard the real reason they will not back a campaign from a really great source too. I cant mention them on here. There is a conspiracy the land at the back of the Odeon has been bought by the T&A and is to be used for their new T&A offices and new print works as theirs is now as dilapidated as the Odeon its self. Its an absolute disgrace. picknick
  • Score: 0

8:40pm Tue 13 Mar 12

BfdTed says...

I have just read this thread and at first I got a bit fired up about the Odeon but then thought... how many of you actually go into Bradford anymore. I know I don't! Can't remember the last time I went in. I stopped going years ago for obvious reasons.... So, unfortunately, I don't really give a sh*t about it. Bradford is now and will always continue to be a dump!
I have just read this thread and at first I got a bit fired up about the Odeon but then thought... how many of you actually go into Bradford anymore. I know I don't! Can't remember the last time I went in. I stopped going years ago for obvious reasons.... So, unfortunately, I don't really give a sh*t about it. Bradford is now and will always continue to be a dump! BfdTed
  • Score: 0

8:54pm Tue 13 Mar 12

noah100 says...

This journalism is laughable, everyone knows the T & A has its own agenda when it comes to the Odeon with correlation to selling there building to st Georges hall and downscaling. It is well known that the asbestos was removed in the 80s confirmed by ex-employees of the Odeon.
And as for furniture causing a fire risk .Doesn’t most households has furniture in them is this a fire risk to every house hold as well?? Not to mention the fact the cut pipes is leaking rain water to put out the flames !!

People power doesn’t count in this city or with this council. The majority of Bradford people want the Odeon fixed yet every time it’s fallen on deaf ears and corporate muting.

I would like to see some demonstrating at their Grand opening of the city park as there trying their best to hide the building. I myself feel dancing will not help and would love to send have a few rotten eggs for certain targets!
This journalism is laughable, everyone knows the T & A has its own agenda when it comes to the Odeon with correlation to selling there building to st Georges hall and downscaling. It is well known that the asbestos was removed in the 80s confirmed by ex-employees of the Odeon. And as for furniture causing a fire risk .Doesn’t most households has furniture in them is this a fire risk to every house hold as well?? Not to mention the fact the cut pipes is leaking rain water to put out the flames !! People power doesn’t count in this city or with this council. The majority of Bradford people want the Odeon fixed yet every time it’s fallen on deaf ears and corporate muting. I would like to see some demonstrating at their Grand opening of the city park as there trying their best to hide the building. I myself feel dancing will not help and would love to send have a few rotten eggs for certain targets! noah100
  • Score: 1

9:18pm Tue 13 Mar 12

ravacity says...

BfdTed wrote:
I have just read this thread and at first I got a bit fired up about the Odeon but then thought... how many of you actually go into Bradford anymore. I know I don't! Can't remember the last time I went in. I stopped going years ago for obvious reasons.... So, unfortunately, I don't really give a sh*t about it. Bradford is now and will always continue to be a dump!
you dont give a **** ted but your reading the t & a,then leaving a comment why waste your time.
[quote][p][bold]BfdTed[/bold] wrote: I have just read this thread and at first I got a bit fired up about the Odeon but then thought... how many of you actually go into Bradford anymore. I know I don't! Can't remember the last time I went in. I stopped going years ago for obvious reasons.... So, unfortunately, I don't really give a sh*t about it. Bradford is now and will always continue to be a dump![/p][/quote]you dont give a **** ted but your reading the t & a,then leaving a comment why waste your time. ravacity
  • Score: 0

9:21pm Tue 13 Mar 12

BD16 says...

BfdTed wrote:
I have just read this thread and at first I got a bit fired up about the Odeon but then thought... how many of you actually go into Bradford anymore. I know I don't! Can't remember the last time I went in. I stopped going years ago for obvious reasons.... So, unfortunately, I don't really give a sh*t about it. Bradford is now and will always continue to be a dump!
I don't go into Bradford much either but if the place could be made worth visiting I would much rather go there than take the train to Leeds.
[quote][p][bold]BfdTed[/bold] wrote: I have just read this thread and at first I got a bit fired up about the Odeon but then thought... how many of you actually go into Bradford anymore. I know I don't! Can't remember the last time I went in. I stopped going years ago for obvious reasons.... So, unfortunately, I don't really give a sh*t about it. Bradford is now and will always continue to be a dump![/p][/quote]I don't go into Bradford much either but if the place could be made worth visiting I would much rather go there than take the train to Leeds. BD16
  • Score: 0

9:29pm Tue 13 Mar 12

BfdTed says...

Yes, but I bet you all agree that it is a dump and quite frankly the whole town needs demolishing. And I bet most of you don't go into Bradford nowadays either?? The phrase silk purse and sows ear springs to mind. Nothing will improve that place now.
Yes, but I bet you all agree that it is a dump and quite frankly the whole town needs demolishing. And I bet most of you don't go into Bradford nowadays either?? The phrase silk purse and sows ear springs to mind. Nothing will improve that place now. BfdTed
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10:28pm Tue 13 Mar 12

wilko1 says...

it all makes me laugh a little that so much sentiment has been attached to a building less than 90 years old. it makes me wonder if this much attachment will affect some of the newer buildings we now have in the city that are making it more appealing to the few visitors we have to the city. i remember going to see the last show at the odeon (chicken run) but do you see me weeping at the fact that this, quite frankly, out of place building could possibly be knocked down. i agree it has some great old plaster stuff in side and some lovely stained glass windows and if it was made out of good yorkshire stone i might be a bit more inclined to support the save the odeon people but its not so you can knock it down for me and if nothing else green space it and show of the traditional stone built buildings behind it, ive said my piece i will shut up
it all makes me laugh a little that so much sentiment has been attached to a building less than 90 years old. it makes me wonder if this much attachment will affect some of the newer buildings we now have in the city that are making it more appealing to the few visitors we have to the city. i remember going to see the last show at the odeon (chicken run) but do you see me weeping at the fact that this, quite frankly, out of place building could possibly be knocked down. i agree it has some great old plaster stuff in side and some lovely stained glass windows and if it was made out of good yorkshire stone i might be a bit more inclined to support the save the odeon people but its not so you can knock it down for me and if nothing else green space it and show of the traditional stone built buildings behind it, ive said my piece i will shut up wilko1
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11:11pm Tue 13 Mar 12

idleone says...

picknick wrote:
idleone wrote:
Joedavid wrote:
savetheodeoncinemabr



adford
wrote:
who is to blame ? The council? yorkshire forward? HCA? or me and you for not doing some thing about it when we had a chance.please help make bradford better not british!
You miss out the T&A for not leading a public campaign to save and restore the building back to its 1930 glory.
Joedavid. The T&A won't lead a campaign as they want st George's hall to be extended and use the T&A building adjoining it so getting lots of money from the council. those at the helm at the T&A have a plan and that is why they have been low key in the whole odeon fiasco and NEVER backed it. I have this on good authaurity from a T&A insider. All corrupt. The T&A don't care about our city it's a faceless fish wrapper more concerned with the wider financial gain than championing our city.

It will all be made public one day, I'm very sure of that ! Pennington, Littlewood and cronies are suspiciously quiet which makes me think there's a huge conspiracy going on.
idleone I have heard the real reason they will not back a campaign from a really great source too. I cant mention them on here. There is a conspiracy the land at the back of the
Odeon has been bought by the T&A and is to be used for their new T&A offices and new print works as theirs is now as dilapidated as the Odeon its self. Its an absolute disgrace.
Yep heard similar. Perry....... Want to elaborate? Think a demo at the mirror pool launch is a very good idea. Facebook group needed me thinks! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]picknick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]idleone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: who is to blame ? The council? yorkshire forward? HCA? or me and you for not doing some thing about it when we had a chance.please help make bradford better not british![/p][/quote]You miss out the T&A for not leading a public campaign to save and restore the building back to its 1930 glory.[/p][/quote]Joedavid. The T&A won't lead a campaign as they want st George's hall to be extended and use the T&A building adjoining it so getting lots of money from the council. those at the helm at the T&A have a plan and that is why they have been low key in the whole odeon fiasco and NEVER backed it. I have this on good authaurity from a T&A insider. All corrupt. The T&A don't care about our city it's a faceless fish wrapper more concerned with the wider financial gain than championing our city. It will all be made public one day, I'm very sure of that ! Pennington, Littlewood and cronies are suspiciously quiet which makes me think there's a huge conspiracy going on.[/p][/quote]idleone I have heard the real reason they will not back a campaign from a really great source too. I cant mention them on here. There is a conspiracy the land at the back of the Odeon has been bought by the T&A and is to be used for their new T&A offices and new print works as theirs is now as dilapidated as the Odeon its self. Its an absolute disgrace.[/p][/quote]Yep heard similar. Perry....... Want to elaborate? Think a demo at the mirror pool launch is a very good idea. Facebook group needed me thinks! ;-) idleone
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11:18pm Tue 13 Mar 12

mrs walker says...

idleone wrote:
picknick wrote:
idleone wrote:
Joedavid wrote:
savetheodeoncinemabr




adford
wrote:
who is to blame ? The council? yorkshire forward? HCA? or me and you for not doing some thing about it when we had a chance.please help make bradford better not british!
You miss out the T&A for not leading a public campaign to save and restore the building back to its 1930 glory.
Joedavid. The T&A won't lead a campaign as they want st George's hall to be extended and use the T&A building adjoining it so getting lots of money from the council. those at the helm at the T&A have a plan and that is why they have been low key in the whole odeon fiasco and NEVER backed it. I have this on good authaurity from a T&A insider. All corrupt. The T&A don't care about our city it's a faceless fish wrapper more concerned with the wider financial gain than championing our city.

It will all be made public one day, I'm very sure of that ! Pennington, Littlewood and cronies are suspiciously quiet which makes me think there's a huge conspiracy going on.
idleone I have heard the real reason they will not back a campaign from a really great source too. I cant mention them on here. There is a conspiracy the land at the back of the
Odeon has been bought by the T&A and is to be used for their new T&A offices and new print works as theirs is now as dilapidated as the Odeon its self. Its an absolute disgrace.
Yep heard similar. Perry....... Want to elaborate? Think a demo at the mirror pool launch is a very good idea. Facebook group needed me thinks! ;-)
I'll join you. I'm disgusted by this whole shebang, even though the people responsible are well clear of the fallout now.

The whole vision, developed and pushed forward by the abominable BCR under Maud Marshall's leadership, overseen by Kris Hopkins, was a shambles and a shameful waste. We have a concrete bowl filled with two inches of filtered water and some jazzy fountains to show for millions of pounds of public money.

Back in 2000 the amount that needed to be spent on the Odeon was quoted as £2million. Then it was reassessed at 6million, then later I believe a figure of £12million was mooted.
So even if the highest figure was the most accurate, it would still have left at least £12million to spend on a really big fountain.

We really could have had the best of both worlds, but the people who we trusted to govern our city, to make rational and informed decisions for the good of its citizens, and the people we look to to publish fair and unbiased news reports let us down.
[quote][p][bold]idleone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]picknick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]idleone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: who is to blame ? The council? yorkshire forward? HCA? or me and you for not doing some thing about it when we had a chance.please help make bradford better not british![/p][/quote]You miss out the T&A for not leading a public campaign to save and restore the building back to its 1930 glory.[/p][/quote]Joedavid. The T&A won't lead a campaign as they want st George's hall to be extended and use the T&A building adjoining it so getting lots of money from the council. those at the helm at the T&A have a plan and that is why they have been low key in the whole odeon fiasco and NEVER backed it. I have this on good authaurity from a T&A insider. All corrupt. The T&A don't care about our city it's a faceless fish wrapper more concerned with the wider financial gain than championing our city. It will all be made public one day, I'm very sure of that ! Pennington, Littlewood and cronies are suspiciously quiet which makes me think there's a huge conspiracy going on.[/p][/quote]idleone I have heard the real reason they will not back a campaign from a really great source too. I cant mention them on here. There is a conspiracy the land at the back of the Odeon has been bought by the T&A and is to be used for their new T&A offices and new print works as theirs is now as dilapidated as the Odeon its self. Its an absolute disgrace.[/p][/quote]Yep heard similar. Perry....... Want to elaborate? Think a demo at the mirror pool launch is a very good idea. Facebook group needed me thinks! ;-)[/p][/quote]I'll join you. I'm disgusted by this whole shebang, even though the people responsible are well clear of the fallout now. The whole vision, developed and pushed forward by the abominable BCR under Maud Marshall's leadership, overseen by Kris Hopkins, was a shambles and a shameful waste. We have a concrete bowl filled with two inches of filtered water and some jazzy fountains to show for millions of pounds of public money. Back in 2000 the amount that needed to be spent on the Odeon was quoted as £2million. Then it was reassessed at 6million, then later I believe a figure of £12million was mooted. So even if the highest figure was the most accurate, it would still have left at least £12million to spend on a really big fountain. We really could have had the best of both worlds, but the people who we trusted to govern our city, to make rational and informed decisions for the good of its citizens, and the people we look to to publish fair and unbiased news reports let us down. mrs walker
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11:34pm Tue 13 Mar 12

idleone says...

Can we set up a protest group to disrupt the mirror pool launch? All this in favour add a comment here and post to Facebook and circulate EVERYWHERE ! Give this max publicity and shame the council and T&A this can go national in a week
Can we set up a protest group to disrupt the mirror pool launch? All this in favour add a comment here and post to Facebook and circulate EVERYWHERE ! Give this max publicity and shame the council and T&A this can go national in a week idleone
  • Score: 0

11:45pm Tue 13 Mar 12

RichShiel says...

Well now we have history repeating itself in Bradford all over again. Mr J B Priestley wrote that Bradford indulged in self-mutalation when it demolished the Swan Arcade and replaced it with the Arndale House in 1964, now a similar fate awaits the once proud Art-Deco Odeon Cinema,
self-mutalation all over again in 2012. Bradford never ever learns and that is what is tragical in our city today
Well now we have history repeating itself in Bradford all over again. Mr J B Priestley wrote that Bradford indulged in self-mutalation when it demolished the Swan Arcade and replaced it with the Arndale House in 1964, now a similar fate awaits the once proud Art-Deco Odeon Cinema, self-mutalation all over again in 2012. Bradford never ever learns and that is what is tragical in our city today RichShiel
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11:48pm Tue 13 Mar 12

noah100 says...

wilko1 wrote:
it all makes me laugh a little that so much sentiment has been attached to a building less than 90 years old. it makes me wonder if this much attachment will affect some of the newer buildings we now have in the city that are making it more appealing to the few visitors we have to the city. i remember going to see the last show at the odeon (chicken run) but do you see me weeping at the fact that this, quite frankly, out of place building could possibly be knocked down. i agree it has some great old plaster stuff in side and some lovely stained glass windows and if it was made out of good yorkshire stone i might be a bit more inclined to support the save the odeon people but its not so you can knock it down for me and if nothing else green space it and show of the traditional stone built buildings behind it, ive said my piece i will shut up
the town hall is only 30 + years older than that. Age is not the reason why people love this building. ITs its beauty its style. Look at the alambra. The odeon perfects it. The interior was beautiful originaly the old cafe and dance hall. A lot of the interior still exsists and and can be brought back to its former glory. The council dont want to make this happen as they wont get any pennys from it !!
[quote][p][bold]wilko1[/bold] wrote: it all makes me laugh a little that so much sentiment has been attached to a building less than 90 years old. it makes me wonder if this much attachment will affect some of the newer buildings we now have in the city that are making it more appealing to the few visitors we have to the city. i remember going to see the last show at the odeon (chicken run) but do you see me weeping at the fact that this, quite frankly, out of place building could possibly be knocked down. i agree it has some great old plaster stuff in side and some lovely stained glass windows and if it was made out of good yorkshire stone i might be a bit more inclined to support the save the odeon people but its not so you can knock it down for me and if nothing else green space it and show of the traditional stone built buildings behind it, ive said my piece i will shut up[/p][/quote]the town hall is only 30 + years older than that. Age is not the reason why people love this building. ITs its beauty its style. Look at the alambra. The odeon perfects it. The interior was beautiful originaly the old cafe and dance hall. A lot of the interior still exsists and and can be brought back to its former glory. The council dont want to make this happen as they wont get any pennys from it !! noah100
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12:39am Wed 14 Mar 12

MisterBD says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
This is another example of the public sector getting away with murder, without any fear of accountability.
If assets are transferred in he private sector, the new owner is still liable for anything that's previously happened. Whereas it's just 'frustrating' in this case. Councillor Green- you are a disgrace to this city.
anyone know if it is true that BFD council signed a contract to jet wash the old tennis courts in lister park for £40K ! ?
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: This is another example of the public sector getting away with murder, without any fear of accountability. If assets are transferred in he private sector, the new owner is still liable for anything that's previously happened. Whereas it's just 'frustrating' in this case. Councillor Green- you are a disgrace to this city.[/p][/quote]anyone know if it is true that BFD council signed a contract to jet wash the old tennis courts in lister park for £40K ! ? MisterBD
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8:25am Wed 14 Mar 12

Scargutt2 says...

Looking at the evidence, it seems obvious that keeping old heritage buildings eventually makes a city look a lot nicer and attracts a lot more visitors and interest than by pulling old buildings down and replacing them with whatever is in fashion at the time.

Do you think York Council fail to maintain its historic builings? Or propose knocking them down to be replaced with glass fronted offices?

Do you think Milton Keynes and Telford have a thriving tourism industry?

The people of Bradford are great, the buildings are great, the surrounding area is great.

The council is not. In fact it's obvious there is something seriously wrong with it. Whether it is incompetence, corruption or whatever, I hope they are stopped from causing any more damage to the City they are supposed to be custodians over.
Looking at the evidence, it seems obvious that keeping old heritage buildings eventually makes a city look a lot nicer and attracts a lot more visitors and interest than by pulling old buildings down and replacing them with whatever is in fashion at the time. Do you think York Council fail to maintain its historic builings? Or propose knocking them down to be replaced with glass fronted offices? Do you think Milton Keynes and Telford have a thriving tourism industry? The people of Bradford are great, the buildings are great, the surrounding area is great. The council is not. In fact it's obvious there is something seriously wrong with it. Whether it is incompetence, corruption or whatever, I hope they are stopped from causing any more damage to the City they are supposed to be custodians over. Scargutt2
  • Score: 1

8:26am Wed 14 Mar 12

bradford rose says...

If there is to be a protest I hope it won't just end there with everyone going home and forgetting about it until the bulldozers move in.
A facebook campaign is fine but a lot of older people like myself aren't on Facebook and have no wish to sign up to it. The mirrorpool launch is the ideal opportunity to get maximum publicity for a new campaign; the local t.v. and radio stations will be there so make the most of it. Make sure you get to speak to them Save the Odeon, and if you have posters/leaflets printed I would be glad to help in handing them out.
If there is to be a protest I hope it won't just end there with everyone going home and forgetting about it until the bulldozers move in. A facebook campaign is fine but a lot of older people like myself aren't on Facebook and have no wish to sign up to it. The mirrorpool launch is the ideal opportunity to get maximum publicity for a new campaign; the local t.v. and radio stations will be there so make the most of it. Make sure you get to speak to them Save the Odeon, and if you have posters/leaflets printed I would be glad to help in handing them out. bradford rose
  • Score: 1

8:37am Wed 14 Mar 12

Joedavid says...

Who are you going to protest to?
You all talk as if it should be to the Council, also you talk as if the Council own it.
HCA own it, so that's the Government, so should your protest be made to MP's?
Who are you going to protest to? You all talk as if it should be to the Council, also you talk as if the Council own it. HCA own it, so that's the Government, so should your protest be made to MP's? Joedavid
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8:37am Wed 14 Mar 12

Joedavid says...

Who are you going to protest to?
You all talk as if it should be to the Council, also you talk as if the Council own it.
HCA own it, so that's the Government, so should your protest be made to MP's?
Who are you going to protest to? You all talk as if it should be to the Council, also you talk as if the Council own it. HCA own it, so that's the Government, so should your protest be made to MP's? Joedavid
  • Score: 0

8:57am Wed 14 Mar 12

RikG01 says...

Scargutt2 wrote:
Looking at the evidence, it seems obvious that keeping old heritage buildings eventually makes a city look a lot nicer and attracts a lot more visitors and interest than by pulling old buildings down and replacing them with whatever is in fashion at the time.

Do you think York Council fail to maintain its historic builings? Or propose knocking them down to be replaced with glass fronted offices?

Do you think Milton Keynes and Telford have a thriving tourism industry?

The people of Bradford are great, the buildings are great, the surrounding area is great.

The council is not. In fact it's obvious there is something seriously wrong with it. Whether it is incompetence, corruption or whatever, I hope they are stopped from causing any more damage to the City they are supposed to be custodians over.
Well Said. Bradford is an Industrial Age city, filled with Industrial Age buildings. I've met so many people who've visited Bradford from other cities and countries and they all agree, Bradford is beautiful so long as you look up.

While the Odeon isn't really part of the same architectural age, it is designed to look as though it is. We should be restoring, not demolishing bradford if we want to enhance it's tourism.

The most popular areas in West Yorkshire are those which play on their history. Haworth, Skipton, saltaire.

Why are our councils so unreasonably determined to destroy our city?
[quote][p][bold]Scargutt2[/bold] wrote: Looking at the evidence, it seems obvious that keeping old heritage buildings eventually makes a city look a lot nicer and attracts a lot more visitors and interest than by pulling old buildings down and replacing them with whatever is in fashion at the time. Do you think York Council fail to maintain its historic builings? Or propose knocking them down to be replaced with glass fronted offices? Do you think Milton Keynes and Telford have a thriving tourism industry? The people of Bradford are great, the buildings are great, the surrounding area is great. The council is not. In fact it's obvious there is something seriously wrong with it. Whether it is incompetence, corruption or whatever, I hope they are stopped from causing any more damage to the City they are supposed to be custodians over.[/p][/quote]Well Said. Bradford is an Industrial Age city, filled with Industrial Age buildings. I've met so many people who've visited Bradford from other cities and countries and they all agree, Bradford is beautiful so long as you look up. While the Odeon isn't really part of the same architectural age, it is designed to look as though it is. We should be restoring, not demolishing bradford if we want to enhance it's tourism. The most popular areas in West Yorkshire are those which play on their history. Haworth, Skipton, saltaire. Why are our councils so unreasonably determined to destroy our city? RikG01
  • Score: 1

9:21am Wed 14 Mar 12

Avro says...

The immediate way forward has to be a mass Save the Odeon protest on the 24th March - the day of the City Park official opening.

Without doubt the media will be in attendence to cover the day's events.
Odeon protesters will not have a more opportune moment in time to be seen and heard, and if it detracts from the City Park opening then its job done, and puts the plight of the Odeon back into the foreground and in into the national news.
The immediate way forward has to be a mass Save the Odeon protest on the 24th March - the day of the City Park official opening. Without doubt the media will be in attendence to cover the day's events. Odeon protesters will not have a more opportune moment in time to be seen and heard, and if it detracts from the City Park opening then its job done, and puts the plight of the Odeon back into the foreground and in into the national news. Avro
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9:50am Wed 14 Mar 12

thatsnotmyname says...

OH..HOW STRANGE

My comment has been removed. What did I say?......

Only that this will give them time to find a new buyer.

Someone from the council tell you to remove it t&a ?
OH..HOW STRANGE My comment [which was first] has been removed. What did I say?...... Only that this will give them time to find a new buyer. Someone from the council tell you to remove it t&a ? thatsnotmyname
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10:25am Wed 14 Mar 12

johnhem says...

some of you are saying the odeon is built from red brick, which it is, but what is the alhambra built from? you can't tell if its stone or brick because its been painted, so what if the odeon was also painted, in a colour to compliment the alhambra.
borgs idea was far better than any of those mooted by the council for people to vote on, with just the entrance area glass, and as a music venue and exhibition centre would draw large crowds to the centre itself.
some of you are saying the odeon is built from red brick, which it is, but what is the alhambra built from? you can't tell if its stone or brick because its been painted, so what if the odeon was also painted, in a colour to compliment the alhambra. borgs idea was far better than any of those mooted by the council for people to vote on, with just the entrance area glass, and as a music venue and exhibition centre would draw large crowds to the centre itself. johnhem
  • Score: 1

10:56am Wed 14 Mar 12

Tinybantam says...

AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
When I arrived in Bradford many years ago, much was the wailing and wringing of hands about the loss of something called the 'Swan Arcade' or some such building.
Let's all get ready for another session of moaning over the demolition of the magnificent façade and domes of the Odeon.
This is the face of Thatcher's Capitalizm - Private Profit.
The poorest will pick up the cost of repairing the social, health, environmental, un-employment consequences of the Grab-it-and-Run elements in our society.
These asset stripping Spivs are now going to do the same to your NHS - and you are to blame - you knew what you were voting for - and you've got it!
Don't try to put the blame onto others.
AHM ;-))
Here we go again....lets blame the incumbent council....the usual red specs wearing, blind to the realities of the situation, blinkered Labour supporter. This situation with the Odeon has been going on for atleast ten years and the blame should lie with all councils whatever their political colours. Over the past fifty years each council has systematically destroyed our once great City's heritage, Swan Arcade, Kirkgate Market, The Royal Standard, Busby's and Fountain's Hall to name but a few. It is just a pity that the individual's who have had a big hand in the decision making process, which brought about this wanton destruction of our architectural heritage, cannot be brought to book for their actions. I used to be proud to say that I was from Bradford...not any more.
[quote][p][bold]AAA.Happy.Man[/bold] wrote: When I arrived in Bradford many years ago, much was the wailing and wringing of hands about the loss of something called the 'Swan Arcade' or some such building. Let's all get ready for another session of moaning over the demolition of the magnificent façade and domes of the Odeon. This is the face of Thatcher's Capitalizm - Private Profit. The poorest will pick up the cost of repairing the social, health, environmental, un-employment consequences of the Grab-it-and-Run elements in our society. These asset stripping Spivs are now going to do the same to your NHS - and you are to blame - you knew what you were voting for - and you've got it! Don't try to put the blame onto others. AHM ;-))[/p][/quote]Here we go again....lets blame the incumbent council....the usual red specs wearing, blind to the realities of the situation, blinkered Labour supporter. This situation with the Odeon has been going on for atleast ten years and the blame should lie with all councils whatever their political colours. Over the past fifty years each council has systematically destroyed our once great City's heritage, Swan Arcade, Kirkgate Market, The Royal Standard, Busby's and Fountain's Hall to name but a few. It is just a pity that the individual's who have had a big hand in the decision making process, which brought about this wanton destruction of our architectural heritage, cannot be brought to book for their actions. I used to be proud to say that I was from Bradford...not any more. Tinybantam
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11:30am Wed 14 Mar 12

bobby98007 says...

Am i missing something here?

The people who are complaining about public money being spent ("wasted") on the mirror pool are the ones claiming the Odeon should be restored to its former glory, with tax payers money, for no commercial use?

For those who are saying the building looks beautiful, you are looking at it through rose tinted specticles. The building is an eyesore and represents Bradfords current status perfectly. Its a mess.

Bradford WAS a great industrial area, we HAD great buildings and industry. Times have changed, but we havent. If we want to start competing with other cities, we need to start modernising, and letting go of that building is part of it.
Am i missing something here? The people who are complaining about public money being spent ("wasted") on the mirror pool are the ones claiming the Odeon should be restored to its former glory, with tax payers money, for no commercial use? For those who are saying the building looks beautiful, you are looking at it through rose tinted specticles. The building is an eyesore and represents Bradfords current status perfectly. Its a mess. Bradford WAS a great industrial area, we HAD great buildings and industry. Times have changed, but we havent. If we want to start competing with other cities, we need to start modernising, and letting go of that building is part of it. bobby98007
  • Score: -1

11:54am Wed 14 Mar 12

CJones101 says...

If you wait long enough - any building will be unsafe, in ruin, and need pulling down - well down Bradford Council for **** around for so long - awaiting this fact to occur - you should all resign , you are a bunch of useless tossers who have ruined this city, stolen tax payers money and with it, lined your pockets and built yourself a 'mirror' pool - so now look deep at the sh1t reflecting back at you !
If you wait long enough - any building will be unsafe, in ruin, and need pulling down - well down Bradford Council for **** around for so long - awaiting this fact to occur - you should all resign , you are a bunch of useless tossers who have ruined this city, stolen tax payers money and with it, lined your pockets and built yourself a 'mirror' pool - so now look deep at the sh1t reflecting back at you ! CJones101
  • Score: 0

11:55am Wed 14 Mar 12

angry bradfordian says...

bobby98007 wrote:
Am i missing something here?

The people who are complaining about public money being spent ("wasted") on the mirror pool are the ones claiming the Odeon should be restored to its former glory, with tax payers money, for no commercial use?

For those who are saying the building looks beautiful, you are looking at it through rose tinted specticles. The building is an eyesore and represents Bradfords current status perfectly. Its a mess.

Bradford WAS a great industrial area, we HAD great buildings and industry. Times have changed, but we havent. If we want to start competing with other cities, we need to start modernising, and letting go of that building is part of it.
I'm one of the people who has suggested that public money has be wasted on the pond and could have been spent on the Odeon instead. However this opinion of 'waste' is based on me not believing that the pond will bring any additional visitors into the city whereas a concert venue would bring new people spending money into the area.

You may think that the building is an eyesore, I think it would compliment the Alhambra if it was restored. Both points of views are just architectural opinions and neither of us are necessarily correct.

We aren't going to compete with other cities by building an identikit glass office block. As somebody else has said- how many visitors does Milton Keynes get?
[quote][p][bold]bobby98007[/bold] wrote: Am i missing something here? The people who are complaining about public money being spent ("wasted") on the mirror pool are the ones claiming the Odeon should be restored to its former glory, with tax payers money, for no commercial use? For those who are saying the building looks beautiful, you are looking at it through rose tinted specticles. The building is an eyesore and represents Bradfords current status perfectly. Its a mess. Bradford WAS a great industrial area, we HAD great buildings and industry. Times have changed, but we havent. If we want to start competing with other cities, we need to start modernising, and letting go of that building is part of it.[/p][/quote]I'm one of the people who has suggested that public money has be wasted on the pond and could have been spent on the Odeon instead. However this opinion of 'waste' is based on me not believing that the pond will bring any additional visitors into the city whereas a concert venue would bring new people spending money into the area. You may think that the building is an eyesore, I think it would compliment the Alhambra if it was restored. Both points of views are just architectural opinions and neither of us are necessarily correct. We aren't going to compete with other cities by building an identikit glass office block. As somebody else has said- how many visitors does Milton Keynes get? angry bradfordian
  • Score: 1

12:04pm Wed 14 Mar 12

johnhem says...

bobby, have you ever been to inner london? they very rarely pull down the old buildings. there are loads with very modern, open plan if wanted, offices inside the old buildings. they respect the old buildings, like we have with little germany, old buildings with modern interiors. we still have some great buildings, the alhambra is one and the odeon compliments the alhambra better than any rebuild we have seen countless artists impressions for. for those that can't see the way they go together i suggest you don't look at it through sunglasses on a dark night and go up to the carpark at the film museum and take a look during the day. i was never a fan of the glass cop shop, but it did reflect the alhambra perfectly and a sight better then any mirror pool that will reflect b all when the fountains are on.
i agree a protest on the opening of the park in favour of the odeon is a good idea, just so the council get a poke in the eye to show how bradford people feel about them and their ideas. (if you can count all those advisors and consultants they hire as the councils ideas). bfd council you are not fit for purpose, and as for councillor green saying "its frustrating the owners did'nt carry out repairs" where you lot? you have the powers to enforce it, even do it yourself and bill them if they did'nt comply, so look to yourselves not others.
bobby, have you ever been to inner london? they very rarely pull down the old buildings. there are loads with very modern, open plan if wanted, offices inside the old buildings. they respect the old buildings, like we have with little germany, old buildings with modern interiors. we still have some great buildings, the alhambra is one and the odeon compliments the alhambra better than any rebuild we have seen countless artists impressions for. for those that can't see the way they go together i suggest you don't look at it through sunglasses on a dark night and go up to the carpark at the film museum and take a look during the day. i was never a fan of the glass cop shop, but it did reflect the alhambra perfectly and a sight better then any mirror pool that will reflect b all when the fountains are on. i agree a protest on the opening of the park in favour of the odeon is a good idea, just so the council get a poke in the eye to show how bradford people feel about them and their ideas. (if you can count all those advisors and consultants they hire as the councils ideas). bfd council you are not fit for purpose, and as for councillor green saying "its frustrating the owners did'nt carry out repairs" where you lot? you have the powers to enforce it, even do it yourself and bill them if they did'nt comply, so look to yourselves not others. johnhem
  • Score: 0

12:07pm Wed 14 Mar 12

bobby98007 says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
bobby98007 wrote:
Am i missing something here?

The people who are complaining about public money being spent ("wasted") on the mirror pool are the ones claiming the Odeon should be restored to its former glory, with tax payers money, for no commercial use?

For those who are saying the building looks beautiful, you are looking at it through rose tinted specticles. The building is an eyesore and represents Bradfords current status perfectly. Its a mess.

Bradford WAS a great industrial area, we HAD great buildings and industry. Times have changed, but we havent. If we want to start competing with other cities, we need to start modernising, and letting go of that building is part of it.
I'm one of the people who has suggested that public money has be wasted on the pond and could have been spent on the Odeon instead. However this opinion of 'waste' is based on me not believing that the pond will bring any additional visitors into the city whereas a concert venue would bring new people spending money into the area.

You may think that the building is an eyesore, I think it would compliment the Alhambra if it was restored. Both points of views are just architectural opinions and neither of us are necessarily correct.

We aren't going to compete with other cities by building an identikit glass office block. As somebody else has said- how many visitors does Milton Keynes get?
Has MK seen an increase in visitors/businesses since making changes to city centre or a decrease?

Were getting no where fast with the current set up, not able to attract businesses to operate in the City or people.

Where is the harm in changing things up, it cannot possibly make the city centre any worse.

Having history is one thing, but its not the most important thing.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby98007[/bold] wrote: Am i missing something here? The people who are complaining about public money being spent ("wasted") on the mirror pool are the ones claiming the Odeon should be restored to its former glory, with tax payers money, for no commercial use? For those who are saying the building looks beautiful, you are looking at it through rose tinted specticles. The building is an eyesore and represents Bradfords current status perfectly. Its a mess. Bradford WAS a great industrial area, we HAD great buildings and industry. Times have changed, but we havent. If we want to start competing with other cities, we need to start modernising, and letting go of that building is part of it.[/p][/quote]I'm one of the people who has suggested that public money has be wasted on the pond and could have been spent on the Odeon instead. However this opinion of 'waste' is based on me not believing that the pond will bring any additional visitors into the city whereas a concert venue would bring new people spending money into the area. You may think that the building is an eyesore, I think it would compliment the Alhambra if it was restored. Both points of views are just architectural opinions and neither of us are necessarily correct. We aren't going to compete with other cities by building an identikit glass office block. As somebody else has said- how many visitors does Milton Keynes get?[/p][/quote]Has MK seen an increase in visitors/businesses since making changes to city centre or a decrease? Were getting no where fast with the current set up, not able to attract businesses to operate in the City or people. Where is the harm in changing things up, it cannot possibly make the city centre any worse. Having history is one thing, but its not the most important thing. bobby98007
  • Score: -1

12:14pm Wed 14 Mar 12

mattshaw says...

Typical selfish reporting again. Who even believes anything the press say any more anyway, looking to line their own pockets. Read this...

http://savetheodeon.
wordpress.com/heroes
-and-villains/about-
the-telegraph-argus/
Typical selfish reporting again. Who even believes anything the press say any more anyway, looking to line their own pockets. Read this... http://savetheodeon. wordpress.com/heroes -and-villains/about- the-telegraph-argus/ mattshaw
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12:20pm Wed 14 Mar 12

bobby98007 says...

johnhem wrote:
bobby, have you ever been to inner london? they very rarely pull down the old buildings. there are loads with very modern, open plan if wanted, offices inside the old buildings. they respect the old buildings, like we have with little germany, old buildings with modern interiors. we still have some great buildings, the alhambra is one and the odeon compliments the alhambra better than any rebuild we have seen countless artists impressions for. for those that can't see the way they go together i suggest you don't look at it through sunglasses on a dark night and go up to the carpark at the film museum and take a look during the day. i was never a fan of the glass cop shop, but it did reflect the alhambra perfectly and a sight better then any mirror pool that will reflect b all when the fountains are on.
i agree a protest on the opening of the park in favour of the odeon is a good idea, just so the council get a poke in the eye to show how bradford people feel about them and their ideas. (if you can count all those advisors and consultants they hire as the councils ideas). bfd council you are not fit for purpose, and as for councillor green saying "its frustrating the owners did'nt carry out repairs" where you lot? you have the powers to enforce it, even do it yourself and bill them if they did'nt comply, so look to yourselves not others.
I have been to London and i find most of it dull. But thats just my opinion.

I have also been to the modernised areas of Leeds and Sheffield and find them much nicer areas to visit.

Didnt we have a company willing to keep the towers and demolish the building and make it fit for a purpose? Surely thats the best of both worlds?

I dont see how the Alhambra is complimented by the Odeon building. The Alhambra certainly looks better next to a decripid/derrilict building. Its difficult to say that no new development could enhance the Alhambra's structural image better.

Im a realist, and realistically if its not got a purpose/function then there is no need for it to be there.
[quote][p][bold]johnhem[/bold] wrote: bobby, have you ever been to inner london? they very rarely pull down the old buildings. there are loads with very modern, open plan if wanted, offices inside the old buildings. they respect the old buildings, like we have with little germany, old buildings with modern interiors. we still have some great buildings, the alhambra is one and the odeon compliments the alhambra better than any rebuild we have seen countless artists impressions for. for those that can't see the way they go together i suggest you don't look at it through sunglasses on a dark night and go up to the carpark at the film museum and take a look during the day. i was never a fan of the glass cop shop, but it did reflect the alhambra perfectly and a sight better then any mirror pool that will reflect b all when the fountains are on. i agree a protest on the opening of the park in favour of the odeon is a good idea, just so the council get a poke in the eye to show how bradford people feel about them and their ideas. (if you can count all those advisors and consultants they hire as the councils ideas). bfd council you are not fit for purpose, and as for councillor green saying "its frustrating the owners did'nt carry out repairs" where you lot? you have the powers to enforce it, even do it yourself and bill them if they did'nt comply, so look to yourselves not others.[/p][/quote]I have been to London and i find most of it dull. But thats just my opinion. I have also been to the modernised areas of Leeds and Sheffield and find them much nicer areas to visit. Didnt we have a company willing to keep the towers and demolish the building and make it fit for a purpose? Surely thats the best of both worlds? I dont see how the Alhambra is complimented by the Odeon building. The Alhambra certainly looks better next to a decripid/derrilict building. Its difficult to say that no new development could enhance the Alhambra's structural image better. Im a realist, and realistically if its not got a purpose/function then there is no need for it to be there. bobby98007
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12:55pm Wed 14 Mar 12

BD16 says...

bobby98007 wrote:
Am i missing something here? The people who are complaining about public money being spent ("wasted") on the mirror pool are the ones claiming the Odeon should be restored to its former glory, with tax payers money, for no commercial use? For those who are saying the building looks beautiful, you are looking at it through rose tinted specticles. The building is an eyesore and represents Bradfords current status perfectly. Its a mess. Bradford WAS a great industrial area, we HAD great buildings and industry. Times have changed, but we havent. If we want to start competing with other cities, we need to start modernising, and letting go of that building is part of it.
I think you are missing something. Many of us, including me, would like to see the Odeon become a concert, conference, exhibition venue. This would attract visitors from outside into Bradford to spend money. You won't get that from empty offices or flats. The site is a prime plot in the city centre, use it too its best advantage, something that will generate the highest revenue and the highest number of jobs.

I'm not being sentimental about the past, i'm looking to the future.
[quote][p][bold]bobby98007[/bold] wrote: Am i missing something here? The people who are complaining about public money being spent ("wasted") on the mirror pool are the ones claiming the Odeon should be restored to its former glory, with tax payers money, for no commercial use? For those who are saying the building looks beautiful, you are looking at it through rose tinted specticles. The building is an eyesore and represents Bradfords current status perfectly. Its a mess. Bradford WAS a great industrial area, we HAD great buildings and industry. Times have changed, but we havent. If we want to start competing with other cities, we need to start modernising, and letting go of that building is part of it.[/p][/quote]I think you are missing something. Many of us, including me, would like to see the Odeon become a concert, conference, exhibition venue. This would attract visitors from outside into Bradford to spend money. You won't get that from empty offices or flats. The site is a prime plot in the city centre, use it too its best advantage, something that will generate the highest revenue and the highest number of jobs. I'm not being sentimental about the past, i'm looking to the future. BD16
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1:00pm Wed 14 Mar 12

Scargutt2 says...

Leeds is currently spending approx £80 million on the Leeds Arena.

About 10% of that cost would restore the Bradford Odeon to a fantastic concert venue.

I live in Leeds and I mainly only travel to Bradford for football matches or to see comedians at St. George's Hall. If there was live music or other entertainment I am sure plenty of other people from surrounding areas such as Huddersfield and Halifax would be brought in to the city.

Leaving aside how long it might take the council to authorise any plans, now is not the time to be increasing residential or commercial office space as the economy is flat (we'll probably be on the next recession by the time our friends at the council pull their fingers out, but that's another story).
Leeds is currently spending approx £80 million on the Leeds Arena. About 10% of that cost would restore the Bradford Odeon to a fantastic concert venue. I live in Leeds and I mainly only travel to Bradford for football matches or to see comedians at St. George's Hall. If there was live music or other entertainment I am sure plenty of other people from surrounding areas such as Huddersfield and Halifax would be brought in to the city. Leaving aside how long it might take the council to authorise any plans, now is not the time to be increasing residential or commercial office space as the economy is flat (we'll probably be on the next recession by the time our friends at the council pull their fingers out, but that's another story). Scargutt2
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1:19pm Wed 14 Mar 12

bobby98007 says...

BD16 wrote:
bobby98007 wrote:
Am i missing something here? The people who are complaining about public money being spent ("wasted") on the mirror pool are the ones claiming the Odeon should be restored to its former glory, with tax payers money, for no commercial use? For those who are saying the building looks beautiful, you are looking at it through rose tinted specticles. The building is an eyesore and represents Bradfords current status perfectly. Its a mess. Bradford WAS a great industrial area, we HAD great buildings and industry. Times have changed, but we havent. If we want to start competing with other cities, we need to start modernising, and letting go of that building is part of it.
I think you are missing something. Many of us, including me, would like to see the Odeon become a concert, conference, exhibition venue. This would attract visitors from outside into Bradford to spend money. You won't get that from empty offices or flats. The site is a prime plot in the city centre, use it too its best advantage, something that will generate the highest revenue and the highest number of jobs.

I'm not being sentimental about the past, i'm looking to the future.
This is something people have shoe-horned a purpose that the Odeon building could perform, without knowing if the demand is there.

To be honest i cannot see it, with the Leeds o2 and the new Leeds Arena being built. I cant see it attracting top names and the demand in Bradford alone wont be enough.

Also how much is it going to cost to restore the Odeon? Is it viable to pay that money and still run the business at a profit.

Im willing to be proved wrong, i just cant see it.

PS. If were turning anywhere into a concert venue, it should have been Odsal stadium, but thats not possible now.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby98007[/bold] wrote: Am i missing something here? The people who are complaining about public money being spent ("wasted") on the mirror pool are the ones claiming the Odeon should be restored to its former glory, with tax payers money, for no commercial use? For those who are saying the building looks beautiful, you are looking at it through rose tinted specticles. The building is an eyesore and represents Bradfords current status perfectly. Its a mess. Bradford WAS a great industrial area, we HAD great buildings and industry. Times have changed, but we havent. If we want to start competing with other cities, we need to start modernising, and letting go of that building is part of it.[/p][/quote]I think you are missing something. Many of us, including me, would like to see the Odeon become a concert, conference, exhibition venue. This would attract visitors from outside into Bradford to spend money. You won't get that from empty offices or flats. The site is a prime plot in the city centre, use it too its best advantage, something that will generate the highest revenue and the highest number of jobs. I'm not being sentimental about the past, i'm looking to the future.[/p][/quote]This is something people have shoe-horned a purpose that the Odeon building could perform, without knowing if the demand is there. To be honest i cannot see it, with the Leeds o2 and the new Leeds Arena being built. I cant see it attracting top names and the demand in Bradford alone wont be enough. Also how much is it going to cost to restore the Odeon? Is it viable to pay that money and still run the business at a profit. Im willing to be proved wrong, i just cant see it. PS. If were turning anywhere into a concert venue, it should have been Odsal stadium, but thats not possible now. bobby98007
  • Score: 0

2:34pm Wed 14 Mar 12

BD16 says...

bobby98007 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
bobby98007 wrote: Am i missing something here? The people who are complaining about public money being spent ("wasted") on the mirror pool are the ones claiming the Odeon should be restored to its former glory, with tax payers money, for no commercial use? For those who are saying the building looks beautiful, you are looking at it through rose tinted specticles. The building is an eyesore and represents Bradfords current status perfectly. Its a mess. Bradford WAS a great industrial area, we HAD great buildings and industry. Times have changed, but we havent. If we want to start competing with other cities, we need to start modernising, and letting go of that building is part of it.
I think you are missing something. Many of us, including me, would like to see the Odeon become a concert, conference, exhibition venue. This would attract visitors from outside into Bradford to spend money. You won't get that from empty offices or flats. The site is a prime plot in the city centre, use it too its best advantage, something that will generate the highest revenue and the highest number of jobs. I'm not being sentimental about the past, i'm looking to the future.
This is something people have shoe-horned a purpose that the Odeon building could perform, without knowing if the demand is there. To be honest i cannot see it, with the Leeds o2 and the new Leeds Arena being built. I cant see it attracting top names and the demand in Bradford alone wont be enough. Also how much is it going to cost to restore the Odeon? Is it viable to pay that money and still run the business at a profit. Im willing to be proved wrong, i just cant see it. PS. If were turning anywhere into a concert venue, it should have been Odsal stadium, but thats not possible now.
It's more conferences and exhibitions I have in mind. I travel through work and sometimes have to stay away at a trade show for 3 nights, it can be a lot longer on the continent. In that time I have to eat, sleep and entertain myself when not working. All of these things involve spending money. If we could create such a thing in Bradford we could get people into the city centre from outside the area spending money locally.
[quote][p][bold]bobby98007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobby98007[/bold] wrote: Am i missing something here? The people who are complaining about public money being spent ("wasted") on the mirror pool are the ones claiming the Odeon should be restored to its former glory, with tax payers money, for no commercial use? For those who are saying the building looks beautiful, you are looking at it through rose tinted specticles. The building is an eyesore and represents Bradfords current status perfectly. Its a mess. Bradford WAS a great industrial area, we HAD great buildings and industry. Times have changed, but we havent. If we want to start competing with other cities, we need to start modernising, and letting go of that building is part of it.[/p][/quote]I think you are missing something. Many of us, including me, would like to see the Odeon become a concert, conference, exhibition venue. This would attract visitors from outside into Bradford to spend money. You won't get that from empty offices or flats. The site is a prime plot in the city centre, use it too its best advantage, something that will generate the highest revenue and the highest number of jobs. I'm not being sentimental about the past, i'm looking to the future.[/p][/quote]This is something people have shoe-horned a purpose that the Odeon building could perform, without knowing if the demand is there. To be honest i cannot see it, with the Leeds o2 and the new Leeds Arena being built. I cant see it attracting top names and the demand in Bradford alone wont be enough. Also how much is it going to cost to restore the Odeon? Is it viable to pay that money and still run the business at a profit. Im willing to be proved wrong, i just cant see it. PS. If were turning anywhere into a concert venue, it should have been Odsal stadium, but thats not possible now.[/p][/quote]It's more conferences and exhibitions I have in mind. I travel through work and sometimes have to stay away at a trade show for 3 nights, it can be a lot longer on the continent. In that time I have to eat, sleep and entertain myself when not working. All of these things involve spending money. If we could create such a thing in Bradford we could get people into the city centre from outside the area spending money locally. BD16
  • Score: 0

4:45pm Wed 14 Mar 12

H8E US says...

watch em pull it down p*ss in it nd they will have created yet another mirror pool to attract who??????
watch em pull it down p*ss in it nd they will have created yet another mirror pool to attract who?????? H8E US
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5:41pm Wed 14 Mar 12

Avro says...

I wonder what George Galloway's thought's on this long running saga might be, and it would certainly be a vote winner!!
I wonder what George Galloway's thought's on this long running saga might be, and it would certainly be a vote winner!! Avro
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6:01pm Wed 14 Mar 12

jh137 says...

Aphid P Critchley wrote:
And yet there is absolutely no accountability for the people who let it get in this state in the first place? Why have we let it get to this stage? It was obvious that this is what the likes of Maud Marshall wanted all along - leave it to rack and ruin and then claim it had to be demolished. And for what, a non-descript identikit building in its place that will probably be up for 30 years max. A badly missed opportunity to utilise a building which perfectly compliments the Alhambra.
hear hear
[quote][p][bold]Aphid P Critchley[/bold] wrote: And yet there is absolutely no accountability for the people who let it get in this state in the first place? Why have we let it get to this stage? It was obvious that this is what the likes of Maud Marshall wanted all along - leave it to rack and ruin and then claim it had to be demolished. And for what, a non-descript identikit building in its place that will probably be up for 30 years max. A badly missed opportunity to utilise a building which perfectly compliments the Alhambra.[/p][/quote]hear hear jh137
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6:22pm Wed 14 Mar 12

scanipoos says...

AKBARS this would make the ultimate curry house or maybe mumtaz (once the parking was sorted ) come on someone..
see the potential (perhaps we could park on the "pond" great idea I think and the best use of it!!
AKBARS this would make the ultimate curry house or maybe mumtaz (once the parking was sorted ) come on someone.. see the potential (perhaps we could park on the "pond" great idea I think and the best use of it!! scanipoos
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6:56pm Wed 14 Mar 12

mark04 says...

Watching this saga from a distance,it seems to me that Bradford council is totally ignoring the views of the people of Bradford with regard to the Odeon,and they should come to regret this.
Speaking to friends etc in Bradford it seems that there is overwhelming support to save the building,as previous comments have said this would not ever happen in any other city of similar size.
Why dont the T & A do a poll?
Think we know the answer?
Is BORG still in existance as cannot find anything recent from them online?
Agree with everyone that only way now to show support would be to protest at the pool opening
I will be there!
Watching this saga from a distance,it seems to me that Bradford council is totally ignoring the views of the people of Bradford with regard to the Odeon,and they should come to regret this. Speaking to friends etc in Bradford it seems that there is overwhelming support to save the building,as previous comments have said this would not ever happen in any other city of similar size. Why dont the T & A do a poll? Think we know the answer? Is BORG still in existance as cannot find anything recent from them online? Agree with everyone that only way now to show support would be to protest at the pool opening I will be there! mark04
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10:34pm Thu 15 Mar 12

savetheodeoncinemabradford says...

bradford rose wrote:
If there is to be a protest I hope it won't just end there with everyone going home and forgetting about it until the bulldozers move in.
A facebook campaign is fine but a lot of older people like myself aren't on Facebook and have no wish to sign up to it. The mirrorpool launch is the ideal opportunity to get maximum publicity for a new campaign; the local t.v. and radio stations will be there so make the most of it. Make sure you get to speak to them Save the Odeon, and if you have posters/leaflets printed I would be glad to help in handing them out.
oh thank you that;s very kind i will be down there dressed in my 1940s splendour with my posh hat waving a flag even if i am on my own !filming it all to put on youtube to get max exposure .
[quote][p][bold]bradford rose[/bold] wrote: If there is to be a protest I hope it won't just end there with everyone going home and forgetting about it until the bulldozers move in. A facebook campaign is fine but a lot of older people like myself aren't on Facebook and have no wish to sign up to it. The mirrorpool launch is the ideal opportunity to get maximum publicity for a new campaign; the local t.v. and radio stations will be there so make the most of it. Make sure you get to speak to them Save the Odeon, and if you have posters/leaflets printed I would be glad to help in handing them out.[/p][/quote]oh thank you that;s very kind i will be down there dressed in my 1940s splendour with my posh hat waving a flag even if i am on my own !filming it all to put on youtube to get max exposure . savetheodeoncinemabradford
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9:52am Fri 16 Mar 12

TirNaNog says...

As a matter of interest could the 'Save the Odeon' crowd tell us what exactly it would be used for if it is saved given there's a theatre next door and a concert hall 300 yards away that can't attract any decent acts?
As a matter of interest could the 'Save the Odeon' crowd tell us what exactly it would be used for if it is saved given there's a theatre next door and a concert hall 300 yards away that can't attract any decent acts? TirNaNog
  • Score: -1

10:08am Fri 16 Mar 12

Joedavid says...

TirNaNog wrote:
As a matter of interest could the 'Save the Odeon' crowd tell us what exactly it would be used for if it is saved given there's a theatre next door and a concert hall 300 yards away that can't attract any decent acts?
The idea orginaly was to restore it back to the 1930 New Victoria Theatre/Cinema/Ballr
oom/Resuraunt complex.
The main auditorium sat 3300 people.
Now from todays T&A News we have the Lib Dem MP and Councilors wanting it demolished whilst retaining the 2 Towers.
[quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: As a matter of interest could the 'Save the Odeon' crowd tell us what exactly it would be used for if it is saved given there's a theatre next door and a concert hall 300 yards away that can't attract any decent acts?[/p][/quote]The idea orginaly was to restore it back to the 1930 New Victoria Theatre/Cinema/Ballr oom/Resuraunt complex. The main auditorium sat 3300 people. Now from todays T&A News we have the Lib Dem MP and Councilors wanting it demolished whilst retaining the 2 Towers. Joedavid
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11:21am Fri 16 Mar 12

Scargutt2 says...

TirNaNog wrote:
As a matter of interest could the 'Save the Odeon' crowd tell us what exactly it would be used for if it is saved given there's a theatre next door and a concert hall 300 yards away that can't attract any decent acts?
The Alhambra gets fantastic acts - I used to travel there on school trips from York.

St. Georges Hall also gets all the top comedians - far better than any of Leeds' venues.

The National Media Museum is renowned for excellent Imax theatre and as a museum.

Bradford was named as UNESCO's City of Film, meaning we could probably afford to have a decent cinema or two!
[quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: As a matter of interest could the 'Save the Odeon' crowd tell us what exactly it would be used for if it is saved given there's a theatre next door and a concert hall 300 yards away that can't attract any decent acts?[/p][/quote]The Alhambra gets fantastic acts - I used to travel there on school trips from York. St. Georges Hall also gets all the top comedians - far better than any of Leeds' venues. The National Media Museum is renowned for excellent Imax theatre and as a museum. Bradford was named as UNESCO's City of Film, meaning we could probably afford to have a decent cinema or two! Scargutt2
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2:30pm Fri 16 Mar 12

bradford rose says...

savetheodeoncinemabr
adford
wrote:
bradford rose wrote: If there is to be a protest I hope it won't just end there with everyone going home and forgetting about it until the bulldozers move in. A facebook campaign is fine but a lot of older people like myself aren't on Facebook and have no wish to sign up to it. The mirrorpool launch is the ideal opportunity to get maximum publicity for a new campaign; the local t.v. and radio stations will be there so make the most of it. Make sure you get to speak to them Save the Odeon, and if you have posters/leaflets printed I would be glad to help in handing them out.
oh thank you that;s very kind i will be down there dressed in my 1940s splendour with my posh hat waving a flag even if i am on my own !filming it all to put on youtube to get max exposure .
Glad to help in any way I can.
I think there will be a good turnout. I really hope so anyway.
[quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradford rose[/bold] wrote: If there is to be a protest I hope it won't just end there with everyone going home and forgetting about it until the bulldozers move in. A facebook campaign is fine but a lot of older people like myself aren't on Facebook and have no wish to sign up to it. The mirrorpool launch is the ideal opportunity to get maximum publicity for a new campaign; the local t.v. and radio stations will be there so make the most of it. Make sure you get to speak to them Save the Odeon, and if you have posters/leaflets printed I would be glad to help in handing them out.[/p][/quote]oh thank you that;s very kind i will be down there dressed in my 1940s splendour with my posh hat waving a flag even if i am on my own !filming it all to put on youtube to get max exposure .[/p][/quote]Glad to help in any way I can. I think there will be a good turnout. I really hope so anyway. bradford rose
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2:35pm Fri 16 Mar 12

Scargutt2 says...

bradford rose wrote:
savetheodeoncinemabr

adford
wrote:
bradford rose wrote: If there is to be a protest I hope it won't just end there with everyone going home and forgetting about it until the bulldozers move in. A facebook campaign is fine but a lot of older people like myself aren't on Facebook and have no wish to sign up to it. The mirrorpool launch is the ideal opportunity to get maximum publicity for a new campaign; the local t.v. and radio stations will be there so make the most of it. Make sure you get to speak to them Save the Odeon, and if you have posters/leaflets printed I would be glad to help in handing them out.
oh thank you that;s very kind i will be down there dressed in my 1940s splendour with my posh hat waving a flag even if i am on my own !filming it all to put on youtube to get max exposure .
Glad to help in any way I can.
I think there will be a good turnout. I really hope so anyway.
There's also a Bradford City home game on the 24th. Lots of people already coming in to town might be persuaded to come early perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]bradford rose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradford rose[/bold] wrote: If there is to be a protest I hope it won't just end there with everyone going home and forgetting about it until the bulldozers move in. A facebook campaign is fine but a lot of older people like myself aren't on Facebook and have no wish to sign up to it. The mirrorpool launch is the ideal opportunity to get maximum publicity for a new campaign; the local t.v. and radio stations will be there so make the most of it. Make sure you get to speak to them Save the Odeon, and if you have posters/leaflets printed I would be glad to help in handing them out.[/p][/quote]oh thank you that;s very kind i will be down there dressed in my 1940s splendour with my posh hat waving a flag even if i am on my own !filming it all to put on youtube to get max exposure .[/p][/quote]Glad to help in any way I can. I think there will be a good turnout. I really hope so anyway.[/p][/quote]There's also a Bradford City home game on the 24th. Lots of people already coming in to town might be persuaded to come early perhaps? Scargutt2
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2:46pm Fri 16 Mar 12

bradford rose says...

Scargutt2 wrote:
bradford rose wrote:
savetheodeoncinemabr adford wrote:
bradford rose wrote: If there is to be a protest I hope it won't just end there with everyone going home and forgetting about it until the bulldozers move in. A facebook campaign is fine but a lot of older people like myself aren't on Facebook and have no wish to sign up to it. The mirrorpool launch is the ideal opportunity to get maximum publicity for a new campaign; the local t.v. and radio stations will be there so make the most of it. Make sure you get to speak to them Save the Odeon, and if you have posters/leaflets printed I would be glad to help in handing them out.
oh thank you that;s very kind i will be down there dressed in my 1940s splendour with my posh hat waving a flag even if i am on my own !filming it all to put on youtube to get max exposure .
Glad to help in any way I can. I think there will be a good turnout. I really hope so anyway.
There's also a Bradford City home game on the 24th. Lots of people already coming in to town might be persuaded to come early perhaps?
Yes. The more the merrier!
[quote][p][bold]Scargutt2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradford rose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]savetheodeoncinemabr adford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradford rose[/bold] wrote: If there is to be a protest I hope it won't just end there with everyone going home and forgetting about it until the bulldozers move in. A facebook campaign is fine but a lot of older people like myself aren't on Facebook and have no wish to sign up to it. The mirrorpool launch is the ideal opportunity to get maximum publicity for a new campaign; the local t.v. and radio stations will be there so make the most of it. Make sure you get to speak to them Save the Odeon, and if you have posters/leaflets printed I would be glad to help in handing them out.[/p][/quote]oh thank you that;s very kind i will be down there dressed in my 1940s splendour with my posh hat waving a flag even if i am on my own !filming it all to put on youtube to get max exposure .[/p][/quote]Glad to help in any way I can. I think there will be a good turnout. I really hope so anyway.[/p][/quote]There's also a Bradford City home game on the 24th. Lots of people already coming in to town might be persuaded to come early perhaps?[/p][/quote]Yes. The more the merrier! bradford rose
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3:20pm Fri 16 Mar 12

TirNaNog says...

Scargutt2 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
As a matter of interest could the 'Save the Odeon' crowd tell us what exactly it would be used for if it is saved given there's a theatre next door and a concert hall 300 yards away that can't attract any decent acts?
The Alhambra gets fantastic acts - I used to travel there on school trips from York.

St. Georges Hall also gets all the top comedians - far better than any of Leeds' venues.

The National Media Museum is renowned for excellent Imax theatre and as a museum.

Bradford was named as UNESCO's City of Film, meaning we could probably afford to have a decent cinema or two!
Are you sure? Crissy Rock? Really? A pub 'turn' at best!
I'll grant you Al Murray,Jimmy Carr and Stewart Francis are good acts but the City Varieties alone has Stewart Francis, Jack Dee, Barry Cryer, John Bishop and Rich Hall. The Alhambra does get some good shows but so does the Grand and the Playhouse.
Musically the choice is embarrassing. Leo Sayer, The Proclaimers, The Osmonds...all decent acts in their time but hardly going to attract a new audience. As for the 'Psychics' and 'Mediums' I think SGH should be ashamed they facilitate the scamming of the grief-stricken and the hapless!
[quote][p][bold]Scargutt2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: As a matter of interest could the 'Save the Odeon' crowd tell us what exactly it would be used for if it is saved given there's a theatre next door and a concert hall 300 yards away that can't attract any decent acts?[/p][/quote]The Alhambra gets fantastic acts - I used to travel there on school trips from York. St. Georges Hall also gets all the top comedians - far better than any of Leeds' venues. The National Media Museum is renowned for excellent Imax theatre and as a museum. Bradford was named as UNESCO's City of Film, meaning we could probably afford to have a decent cinema or two![/p][/quote]Are you sure? Crissy Rock? Really? A pub 'turn' at best! I'll grant you Al Murray,Jimmy Carr and Stewart Francis are good acts but the City Varieties alone has Stewart Francis, Jack Dee, Barry Cryer, John Bishop and Rich Hall. The Alhambra does get some good shows but so does the Grand and the Playhouse. Musically the choice is embarrassing. Leo Sayer, The Proclaimers, The Osmonds...all decent acts in their time but hardly going to attract a new audience. As for the 'Psychics' and 'Mediums' I think SGH should be ashamed they facilitate the scamming of the grief-stricken and the hapless! TirNaNog
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6:10pm Fri 16 Mar 12

Scargutt2 says...

TirNaNog wrote:
Scargutt2 wrote:
TirNaNog wrote:
As a matter of interest could the 'Save the Odeon' crowd tell us what exactly it would be used for if it is saved given there's a theatre next door and a concert hall 300 yards away that can't attract any decent acts?
The Alhambra gets fantastic acts - I used to travel there on school trips from York.

St. Georges Hall also gets all the top comedians - far better than any of Leeds' venues.

The National Media Museum is renowned for excellent Imax theatre and as a museum.

Bradford was named as UNESCO's City of Film, meaning we could probably afford to have a decent cinema or two!
Are you sure? Crissy Rock? Really? A pub 'turn' at best!
I'll grant you Al Murray,Jimmy Carr and Stewart Francis are good acts but the City Varieties alone has Stewart Francis, Jack Dee, Barry Cryer, John Bishop and Rich Hall. The Alhambra does get some good shows but so does the Grand and the Playhouse.
Musically the choice is embarrassing. Leo Sayer, The Proclaimers, The Osmonds...all decent acts in their time but hardly going to attract a new audience. As for the 'Psychics' and 'Mediums' I think SGH should be ashamed they facilitate the scamming of the grief-stricken and the hapless!
Fair point the City Varieties has been closed for a few years so perhas acts moved to SGH. I went to Jimmy Carr which was good - but also Dara O'Briain, Frankie Boyle, Paddy McGuinness (rubbish), Michael McIntyre.

Also at the Alhambra Studio Alun Cochrane (local, but becoming better known - and our favourite) and missed Sarah Millican.

Only Hammersmith has such good comedy acts - and comedians say they love Bradford because it isn't pretentious and isn't afraid to laugh at itself, plus there's never any shortage of audience participation!
[quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scargutt2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TirNaNog[/bold] wrote: As a matter of interest could the 'Save the Odeon' crowd tell us what exactly it would be used for if it is saved given there's a theatre next door and a concert hall 300 yards away that can't attract any decent acts?[/p][/quote]The Alhambra gets fantastic acts - I used to travel there on school trips from York. St. Georges Hall also gets all the top comedians - far better than any of Leeds' venues. The National Media Museum is renowned for excellent Imax theatre and as a museum. Bradford was named as UNESCO's City of Film, meaning we could probably afford to have a decent cinema or two![/p][/quote]Are you sure? Crissy Rock? Really? A pub 'turn' at best! I'll grant you Al Murray,Jimmy Carr and Stewart Francis are good acts but the City Varieties alone has Stewart Francis, Jack Dee, Barry Cryer, John Bishop and Rich Hall. The Alhambra does get some good shows but so does the Grand and the Playhouse. Musically the choice is embarrassing. Leo Sayer, The Proclaimers, The Osmonds...all decent acts in their time but hardly going to attract a new audience. As for the 'Psychics' and 'Mediums' I think SGH should be ashamed they facilitate the scamming of the grief-stricken and the hapless![/p][/quote]Fair point the City Varieties has been closed for a few years so perhas acts moved to SGH. I went to Jimmy Carr which was good - but also Dara O'Briain, Frankie Boyle, Paddy McGuinness (rubbish), Michael McIntyre. Also at the Alhambra Studio Alun Cochrane (local, but becoming better known - and our favourite) and missed Sarah Millican. Only Hammersmith has such good comedy acts - and comedians say they love Bradford because it isn't pretentious and isn't afraid to laugh at itself, plus there's never any shortage of audience participation! Scargutt2
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10:31pm Fri 16 Mar 12

molichanic says...

as someone who used to work at this cinema many years ago im sad to see its demize and the way its been abandoned by the council but then again they spend millions on this duck pond so its no surprise to me as they have ripped out the heart and lungs of our city centre and killed it and them wonder where all shoppers have gone i used to love coming into city centre but now on odd occasion when im forced to visit im in and straight out long live as i used to know it when i worked there
as someone who used to work at this cinema many years ago im sad to see its demize and the way its been abandoned by the council but then again they spend millions on this duck pond so its no surprise to me as they have ripped out the heart and lungs of our city centre and killed it and them wonder where all shoppers have gone i used to love coming into city centre but now on odd occasion when im forced to visit im in and straight out long live[ gaumont ] as i used to know it when i worked there molichanic
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9:55am Sat 17 Mar 12

mark04 says...

I still think it is possible to save
the Odeon with enough public support.
I get the impression Greenwood and the council are on the back foot now with their plans for the building, and i can see them having second thoughts.
A groundswell of opinion seems to be growing in the city that this building must be saved.
I still think it is possible to save the Odeon with enough public support. I get the impression Greenwood and the council are on the back foot now with their plans for the building, and i can see them having second thoughts. A groundswell of opinion seems to be growing in the city that this building must be saved. mark04
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9:59am Sat 17 Mar 12

molichanic says...

sorry about that the name of cinema has been omitted for some reason it was called the GAUMONT and the original odeon was still standing
sorry about that the name of cinema has been omitted for some reason it was called the GAUMONT and the original odeon was still standing molichanic
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3:48am Mon 19 Mar 12

arhmen aleg says...

Out of 160 plus comments I see just a couple who seek its demolition.If restored it will stop a trail of desecration started in 1960 with swan arcade continued through the seventies and eighties with the loss of mechanics institute,kirkgate market etc etc etc.it was down to pennington to save the midland hotel.where art thou now john.
All that replaced those former buildings has also now fallen to the bulldozer because they were dreadfull.arndale house the cinecentre broadway all children of the 60"s will remember. now they too have gone.We remember them with zero affection.But we remember Kirkgate market for character rather than the souless architechtural nadirs that replaced it/them.who laments the cinecentre in cheapside part of the corruption inspired brainchilds of the Poulson TD Smith era.Noone I guess.I recall a few dirty old men on a visit to see some skin flick like confessions of a window cleaner in the early seventies.The place was a dump even when new.Is this the brave new world of Bradford the latest monster custodians wish upon us with the Langtry inspired New Victoria Place.So O2 had a plan but the muppets never made public because it suited not their corrupt agenda.Well done Andy2010 for making us aware of that.Shame Greenwood did not.Car Park temporary is his latest brainchild.same as outside the crown courts eh.what idiots we vote for.
I understand the Alhambra is nearly always full.So Bradford got something right.If they can fill that surely a complementing concert hall arena next door with the right acts could also be filled.
Great men as Johnathan Silver had vision sadly a councillors vision starts and stops at the corrupt practice of filling ones own boots.Rot in Hell the lot of them as indeed the City Architect of his day surely must.
Whose for renaming Wardley House that sad monstrosity that bears the name of the city architect who presided over the wanton destuction of much of sacred Bradford in the name of progress when the true reasoning was the filling of many"s back pockets.
Protest to the rafters on the 24 March 2012.Even this newspaper are putting standards of free speech to the sword as they chase the crooked dollar.Hang your head in shame T & A you have become as corrupt as the rest if the talk of your vested interest has merit
Out of 160 plus comments I see just a couple who seek its demolition.If restored it will stop a trail of desecration started in 1960 with swan arcade continued through the seventies and eighties with the loss of mechanics institute,kirkgate market etc etc etc.it was down to pennington to save the midland hotel.where art thou now john. All that replaced those former buildings has also now fallen to the bulldozer because they were dreadfull.arndale house the cinecentre broadway all children of the 60"s will remember. now they too have gone.We remember them with zero affection.But we remember Kirkgate market for character rather than the souless architechtural nadirs that replaced it/them.who laments the cinecentre in cheapside part of the corruption inspired brainchilds of the Poulson TD Smith era.Noone I guess.I recall a few dirty old men on a visit to see some skin flick like confessions of a window cleaner in the early seventies.The place was a dump even when new.Is this the brave new world of Bradford the latest monster custodians wish upon us with the Langtry inspired New Victoria Place.So O2 had a plan but the muppets never made public because it suited not their corrupt agenda.Well done Andy2010 for making us aware of that.Shame Greenwood did not.Car Park temporary is his latest brainchild.same as outside the crown courts eh.what idiots we vote for. I understand the Alhambra is nearly always full.So Bradford got something right.If they can fill that surely a complementing concert hall arena next door with the right acts could also be filled. Great men as Johnathan Silver had vision sadly a councillors vision starts and stops at the corrupt practice of filling ones own boots.Rot in Hell the lot of them as indeed the City Architect of his day surely must. Whose for renaming Wardley House that sad monstrosity that bears the name of the city architect who presided over the wanton destuction of much of sacred Bradford in the name of progress when the true reasoning was the filling of many"s back pockets. Protest to the rafters on the 24 March 2012.Even this newspaper are putting standards of free speech to the sword as they chase the crooked dollar.Hang your head in shame T & A you have become as corrupt as the rest if the talk of your vested interest has merit arhmen aleg
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4:18pm Mon 19 Mar 12

aje2010 says...

The comments on article is what give you the proper report. Like everything in Bradford seems like the building is doomed and will eventually be destroyed.
The council will make a great new building, they'll make money, hit the headlines and the the people raising the awareness will be silenced.

We're getting used to bailing people out and getting used to our leaders making wrong decision and then telling us to make the best from here on.
The comments on article is what give you the proper report. Like everything in Bradford seems like the building is doomed and will eventually be destroyed. The council will make a great new building, they'll make money, hit the headlines and the the people raising the awareness will be silenced. We're getting used to bailing people out and getting used to our leaders making wrong decision and then telling us to make the best from here on. aje2010
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11:26pm Tue 27 Mar 12

AAA.Happy.Man says...

Why are so many trying to blame 'The Council'? 'They' got it dumped on them after various owners sold it to each other, then abandoned it.
That's the way that Capitalism works - grab the profits - leave the clean up and wrecked lives for the sucker tax payers to mop up. Then start a class war to blame the poor for the devastation left behind.
When we've cleared the mess up, the Tories will sell it off to their chums at a cut price - just like RBS is to be sold at a fraction of the real value of the shares. The shares that WE paid for !
And the NHS is next for a sell off to the Privateers.
Why are so many trying to blame 'The Council'? 'They' got it dumped on them after various owners sold it to each other, then abandoned it. That's the way that Capitalism works - grab the profits - leave the clean up and wrecked lives for the sucker tax payers to mop up. Then start a class war to blame the poor for the devastation left behind. When we've cleared the mess up, the Tories will sell it off to their chums at a cut price - just like RBS is to be sold at a fraction of the real value of the shares. The shares that WE paid for ! And the NHS is next for a sell off to the Privateers. AAA.Happy.Man
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7:07am Wed 28 Mar 12

Joedavid says...

"'They' got it dumped on them after various owners sold it to each other, then abandoned it."
The Council do NOT own the Odeon and its site!
The present and last owner have been Government bodies.
"'They' got it dumped on them after various owners sold it to each other, then abandoned it." The Council do NOT own the Odeon and its site! The present and last owner have been Government bodies. Joedavid
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11:45am Wed 28 Mar 12

AAA.Happy.Man says...

A very good point, JD.
All the more reason NOT to blame the Council ?
In the final analysis, the Capitalist rats deserted a ship which they had run aground by their greed. They ran off with anything and everything worth looting & left us the rotting hulk of :
* disease
* stinking & polluted land * dangerous & contaminated buildings,
* poverty

that was once the proud CITY of Bradford.

"My name is Capitalism, wrecker of lives."
Look on my works ye People, and despair!
No thing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that once proud City's Wreckage, boundless and bare,
My mean & nasty works stretch far away."
A very good point, JD. All the more reason NOT to blame the Council ? In the final analysis, the Capitalist rats deserted a ship which they had run aground by their greed. They ran off with anything and everything worth looting & left us the rotting hulk of : * disease * stinking & polluted land * dangerous & contaminated buildings, * poverty that was once the proud CITY of Bradford. "My name is Capitalism, wrecker of lives." Look on my works ye People, and despair! No thing beside remains. Round the decay Of that once proud City's Wreckage, boundless and bare, My mean & nasty works stretch far away." [Apologies to ' Shelly] AAA.Happy.Man
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