City's police cars involved in highest number of crashes in county (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?

Newswatcher wrote:
I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?

I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.

Bone_idle18 wrote:

Newswatcher wrote: I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?

I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.

Yes just a reflection of other driving in Bradford.

One way of getting un-taxed and un-insured drivers off the road I suppose - ram 'em off :)

This shouldn't surprise anyone given the type of lawless demolition derby that passes for 'driving' around Bradford for many people. That said I have witnessed the gung-ho, reckless driving of the police at first hand and was amazed no accident was caused (with me and Mrs B). We rang up to lodge a complaint and to their supervisor's credit they seemed to treat the matter seriously.

Bradford has the highest percentage of uninsured, unlicensed drivers and lots of joyriders. This means that the police in Bradford will be involved in more chases thanks to these guys wanting to get away than be arrested and charged. Also the fact that probably half of them would be drug dealers and have some on them, the more they want to get away.

It is also thanks to this that our insurance premiums are through the roof! Elsewhere in the country we probably could save 50%, but because we live in a BD postcode the rest of us have to pay more.

The police should be actively hunting down these people, not waiting for them to commit a crime or happen to drive into one of their little checks.

bigo93 wrote:
Bradford has the highest percentage of uninsured, unlicensed drivers and lots of joyriders. This means that the police in Bradford will be involved in more chases thanks to these guys wanting to get away than be arrested and charged. Also the fact that probably half of them would be drug dealers and have some on them, the more they want to get away. It is also thanks to this that our insurance premiums are through the roof! Elsewhere in the country we probably could save 50%, but because we live in a BD postcode the rest of us have to pay more. The police should be actively hunting down these people, not waiting for them to commit a crime or happen to drive into one of their little checks.

Yes thanks to these scumbags my daughters insurance has now increased to nearly £2,500 a year for am eight year old car - and this is only third party!

bradred wrote:

bigo93 wrote:
Bradford has the highest percentage of uninsured, unlicensed drivers and lots of joyriders. This means that the police in Bradford will be involved in more chases thanks to these guys wanting to get away than be arrested and charged. Also the fact that probably half of them would be drug dealers and have some on them, the more they want to get away. It is also thanks to this that our insurance premiums are through the roof! Elsewhere in the country we probably could save 50%, but because we live in a BD postcode the rest of us have to pay more. The police should be actively hunting down these people, not waiting for them to commit a crime or happen to drive into one of their little checks.

Yes thanks to these scumbags my daughters insurance has now increased to nearly £2,500 a year for am eight year old car - and this is only third party!

It is remarkable that anyone should have to pay almost £2,500 for third party insurance on an eight year old car. I wish that this city could get to grips with the situation possibly with joint cooperation from the police and council. Bradford is now a broken, nay dead city in more ways than one and nothing seems to get done. What I really get annoyed about is the cars which are found burned out, I would say maybe twice a week and nobody ever seems to be brought to justice for these offences and always in the same areas'. Wake up police and council and do your jobs and let justice prevail. And slow down police, you are setting a bad example to the public.

Bone_idle18 wrote:

Newswatcher wrote:
I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?

I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.

You've never been to Paris then?

The cops are probably all stoned on all that skunk weed that they keep stealing from people.

A natural follow on question would be how many officers sustained injuries in these collisions such that they had to have either medical treatment or sick days.

Perhaps deliberate collisions by offenders should be treated as assault with a deadly weapon?

There are bound to be collisions, some are deliberate (and as such not an 'accident' per se within the definition- nevethless they are counted into the figures) They are often intended to 'take out' drivers who fail to stop Called Tactical Policing And Containment (TPAC) Specially trained Police Traffic Patrol drivers are the only ones offically allowed to engage in this procedure. Even then it has to be or should be 'authorised' by a supervisory officer.
The other main problem is NON Traffic Cars, namely small beat patrol vehicles being light cars and vans, being driven with blue lights and sirens on TO incidents. Those vehicles are not high performance vehicles nor are the drivers trained to Advanced Driving Course (ADC) standards in most cases. The reason they are fitted with emergency equipment is to enable them to safely negotiate their passage through standing or congested traffic on the approach to an incident and NOT to be driven at high speeds through and en route to it and then when there to make the vehicles presence known at the incident scene.
This is clearly abused regularly and can be observed daily. 'No incident is that serious that anyones safety should be prejudiced by such driving.' (ADC teaching)
As above if you witness bad Police driving or other vehicles being driven at speeds you consider unjustified and substantially above the lawful speed limit then report it. If you see what you may consider inappropriate driving of Traffic Patrol vehicles even that (however should be the exception rather than the norm), report that incident too including Ambulance and Fire & Rescue Service vehicles although the latter may be rare the former is not so rare in my view. You may be required to provide hard corroborated evidence so don't think you can throw a wild allegation at someone and walk away afterwards and forget it. You could end up giving evidence in a court of law or even a disciplinary hearing. UK Traffic Patrol Drivers are or should be proud of their image and try to set examples of a very high standard. Observe them and follow it. Not perhaps the case otherwise in my experience and world wide too.

What should be done is what they do in Canada, make it mandatory to have all cars fitted with a camera or black box recorder!

This will record all that is happening in the car, you can even get ones which have 2 cameras, one pointed out into the road ahead and one pointing into the car to view the driver and passengers.

Ever get tried of boy racers driving dangerously and overtaking you in unsafe manners? Well if these devices can record that and they you can just hand in the footage to the police, and as the recorder also notes down your speed you can guess the speed of the other vehicle.

I really do not see why they dont make these mandatory.

I wittnessed a police officer driving a marked police car only the other week along wrose rd drinking a mcdonalds whilst driving!! I only wished I'd taken the reg of the car

Bone_idle18 wrote:

Newswatcher wrote:
I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?

I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.

Even in Afghanistan?

instead of blaming the police we should be supporting them then maybe this toilet that we call home (bradford) would be a better safer place to walk/drive in

danny66 wrote:
instead of blaming the police we should be supporting them then maybe this toilet that we call home (bradford) would be a better safer place to walk/drive in

Thing is, I've a feeling the Polices' hand are tied by the Government.

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If we had true punishments handed out, I'm sure we'd see a reduction in the amount of sick actions we hear about on a daily basis.

just had the occassion to be driving in front of a car which was souped up to the max with stuff you could have pulled off a NASA space ship and was loaded with eastern europeans( and yes they were i heard them speak before anyone jumps in ) with at least 3 kids under the age of 6 stood in the rear footwell whilst the mother (i can assume she was the mother) sat in the front seat with a fag in her hand swigging carlsberg from a can, this mean machine was followed by another souped up motor bigger and more better than the 1st bright orange in colour (that should just be an offence ) of the same classification. The driver behind me decided it was a fab idea to stop in the middle of Great Horton Road in a que of traffic so he can hang waist high out of his NASA modified car to talk in very loud words to the imbecile behind him. Now, they could have just pulled over and had a chat, but ohhhhh nooooooooooo, that way no one would look at their "modified" machines would they!!!! They held traffic up for at least 7 minutes whilst they had a chat. Its peoiple like these that need to be taken off the roads for many a reason but the main being they are a danger to themselves and to their own families and others - makes me wonder how on earth can he afford the insurance on his little beauty with all the mods on it ! surley the exhaust itself was not road worthy or the fin the size of a airplane wing on the back of the car !


rant over................
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yezboss wrote:
There are bound to be collisions, some are deliberate (and as such not an 'accident' per se within the definition- nevethless they are counted into the figures) They are often intended to 'take out' drivers who fail to stop Called Tactical Policing And Containment (TPAC) Specially trained Police Traffic Patrol drivers are the only ones offically allowed to engage in this procedure. Even then it has to be or should be 'authorised' by a supervisory officer.
The other main problem is NON Traffic Cars, namely small beat patrol vehicles being light cars and vans, being driven with blue lights and sirens on TO incidents. Those vehicles are not high performance vehicles nor are the drivers trained to Advanced Driving Course (ADC) standards in most cases. The reason they are fitted with emergency equipment is to enable them to safely negotiate their passage through standing or congested traffic on the approach to an incident and NOT to be driven at high speeds through and en route to it and then when there to make the vehicles presence known at the incident scene.
This is clearly abused regularly and can be observed daily. 'No incident is that serious that anyones safety should be prejudiced by such driving.' (ADC teaching)
As above if you witness bad Police driving or other vehicles being driven at speeds you consider unjustified and substantially above the lawful speed limit then report it. If you see what you may consider inappropriate driving of Traffic Patrol vehicles even that (however should be the exception rather than the norm), report that incident too including Ambulance and Fire & Rescue Service vehicles although the latter may be rare the former is not so rare in my view. You may be required to provide hard corroborated evidence so don't think you can throw a wild allegation at someone and walk away afterwards and forget it. You could end up giving evidence in a court of law or even a disciplinary hearing. UK Traffic Patrol Drivers are or should be proud of their image and try to set examples of a very high standard. Observe them and follow it. Not perhaps the case otherwise in my experience and world wide too.

Ooops Tactical 'Pursuit 'not 'Policing'
Apologies.

stansfairy wrote:
just had the occassion to be driving in front of a car which was souped up to the max with stuff you could have pulled off a NASA space ship and was loaded with eastern europeans( and yes they were i heard them speak before anyone jumps in ) with at least 3 kids under the age of 6 stood in the rear footwell whilst the mother (i can assume she was the mother) sat in the front seat with a fag in her hand swigging carlsberg from a can, this mean machine was followed by another souped up motor bigger and more better than the 1st bright orange in colour (that should just be an offence ) of the same classification. The driver behind me decided it was a fab idea to stop in the middle of Great Horton Road in a que of traffic so he can hang waist high out of his NASA modified car to talk in very loud words to the imbecile behind him. Now, they could have just pulled over and had a chat, but ohhhhh nooooooooooo, that way no one would look at their "modified" machines would they!!!! They held traffic up for at least 7 minutes whilst they had a chat. Its peoiple like these that need to be taken off the roads for many a reason but the main being they are a danger to themselves and to their own families and others - makes me wonder how on earth can he afford the insurance on his little beauty with all the mods on it ! surley the exhaust itself was not road worthy or the fin the size of a airplane wing on the back of the car !


rant over................

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Seems like a scene out of 'Borat the Movie'.

John Phillips wrote:

Bone_idle18 wrote:

Newswatcher wrote:
I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?

I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.

Even in Afghanistan?

You don't get many donkeys in Forster Square, YET!

danger mouse wrote:
I wittnessed a police officer driving a marked police car only the other week along wrose rd drinking a mcdonalds whilst driving!! I only wished I'd taken the reg of the car

"drinking a McDonalds"?

albion wrote:

danger mouse wrote:
I wittnessed a police officer driving a marked police car only the other week along wrose rd drinking a mcdonalds whilst driving!! I only wished I'd taken the reg of the car

"drinking a McDonalds"?

well I can hardly tell what was inside the cup can I !!!!

My son who is a Class 1 HGV driver has just had his insurance increased by £200 as we live in a low BD Number.By searching on line the same quote for BD22, is £500 cheaper.NFU Mutual Insurance will not quote for the BD Area.

Yorkshire Lass wrote:

bradred wrote:

bigo93 wrote: Bradford has the highest percentage of uninsured, unlicensed drivers and lots of joyriders. This means that the police in Bradford will be involved in more chases thanks to these guys wanting to get away than be arrested and charged. Also the fact that probably half of them would be drug dealers and have some on them, the more they want to get away. It is also thanks to this that our insurance premiums are through the roof! Elsewhere in the country we probably could save 50%, but because we live in a BD postcode the rest of us have to pay more. The police should be actively hunting down these people, not waiting for them to commit a crime or happen to drive into one of their little checks.

Yes thanks to these scumbags my daughters insurance has now increased to nearly £2,500 a year for am eight year old car - and this is only third party!

It is remarkable that anyone should have to pay almost £2,500 for third party insurance on an eight year old car. I wish that this city could get to grips with the situation possibly with joint cooperation from the police and council. Bradford is now a broken, nay dead city in more ways than one and nothing seems to get done. What I really get annoyed about is the cars which are found burned out, I would say maybe twice a week and nobody ever seems to be brought to justice for these offences and always in the same areas'. Wake up police and council and do your jobs and let justice prevail. And slow down police, you are setting a bad example to the public.

Unfortunately this city will never get to grips with the situation, until the police go all out to rid the roads of the scum that cause these problems. Most of the boy-racers, joy-riders(most mis-appropriate word ever) and drug dealers are well known to many, but the police seem to be scared to do anything about it. These people are easy to spot with the ANPR cameras and should be rounded up straight away. As one poster has already said, Bradford is a toilet....the toilet of the earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Bone_idle18 wrote:

Newswatcher wrote:
I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?

I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.

You've never been to Paris then?

I would class myself as a regular visitor to Paris, and whilst agreeing the driving in some areas of that city is best described as chaotic, it is organised chaos. This is as opposed to the mindless, uninsured idiots screaming round the Bradford area in a vain attempt to look "cool". The reason more police cars are involved in crashes is that there are more idiots for them to chase.

John Phillips wrote:

Bone_idle18 wrote:

Newswatcher wrote:
I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?

I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.

Even in Afghanistan?

Yes, even Afghanistan - that's because all their idiot drivers are over here.

The number for Police car's in collisons does not mean anything unless we know how many are blameworthy, I think you'll find that the majority are blameless!

why don't we get tha people that have casued the accidents to pay up for the damage, ooops they are not insured (most likley), Bradford is going down hill big time and the Police are fighting a loosing battle in more ways than one!! (I really wouldn't know where to start)
We shoudl spend more money on policing, stop scrutinising and stop glorified MP's from making us pay for their LAVISH lifestyles!!