Bradford South police division involved in most collisions

A collision involving a police vehicle in Legrams Lane, Bradford

A collision involving a police vehicle in Legrams Lane, Bradford

First published in Bradford Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author Exclusive by , T&A Reporter

More police car crashes occur in the Bradford South area than in any other policing division in West Yorkshire, the Telegraph & Argus can exclusively reveal today.

Figures obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show that 131 police cars were involved in collisions in Bradford South from the start of the current financial year in April 2010 up to December 31, 2010 – 27 more than the next-highest division.

In the previous financial year, 2009/10, Bradford South again topped the West Yorkshire list with 164 police cars involved in collisions. Airedale and North Bradford came a close second with 163.

Calderdale Police, whose patch includes Brighouse and Shelf, and Kirklees Police, who take in Cleckheaton, parts of Oakenshaw and Scholes, both had more than 100 police-car collisions in 2009/10.

Leeds North West Police, a division that includes Pudsey, Tyersal, Otley and Leeds Bradford Airport, had 148 police-car collisions in 2009/10 and a further 94 in the current financial year up to December 31, 2010.

The figures include anything from the most serious crashes down to windscreen damage.

They include ‘found damage’ as well as criminal damage to police cars, and blameworthy and non-blameworthy collisions are also included in the figures.

Chief Superintendent Alison Rose, Divisional Commander for Bradford South Police, said the division was one of the busiest in the force. She said highly-trained police drivers often had to make “split-second decisions” while on the road.

She said: “West Yorkshire Police takes many steps to avoid collisions involving police vehicles but there are many ways in which damage to them can occur. Examples include malicious damage and accidents which are the fault of other motorists and beyond the control of the police driver.

“Police drivers across the force are regularly confronted with dangerous situations to which they often have to make split-second decisions.

“They are highly trained and receive regular updates to hone their skills. This is no different in the Bradford South division where officers are as highly trained as in other divisions.

“All damage to police vehicles is regrettable but the Bradford South division is one of the busiest divisions in the force.

“Some accidents do happen that are the fault of the driver and each of these cases is reviewed to see what lessons can be learned.”

Superintendent Gary Baker, head of operations at Airedale and North Bradford Police, said collisions were inevitable, including those caused by other drivers who did not respond to sirens and blue lights.

Figures for the division from April 1 to December 31, 2010, show that the number of damaged police vehicles had fallen to 87.

Supt Baker said: “We have put better training in place for our officers over the last year and have also raised awareness of road safety issues to reduce incidents of careless collisions.

“Overall, we have found local drivers in Keighley and Bradford to be considerate and we are grateful for their patience and understanding.”

Andrew Tempest-Mitchell, West Yorkshire Police Federation chairman, said: “All police officers understand their responsibilities when driving vehicles, to obey the law and ensure they drive with the utmost care. But police work unfortunately on some occasions requires some emergency-type driving and unfortunately some mistakes will happen.

“But these figures cover a whole range of events which are not necessarily the fault of police officers and which can be attributed to failings of other drivers and acts of criminality.”

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8:56am Mon 28 Feb 11

Newswatcher says...

I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?
I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving? Newswatcher
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9:10am Mon 28 Feb 11

Bone_idle18 says...

Newswatcher wrote:
I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?
I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.
[quote][p][bold]Newswatcher[/bold] wrote: I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?[/p][/quote]I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world. Bone_idle18
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10:11am Mon 28 Feb 11

Joedavid says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Newswatcher wrote: I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?
I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.
Yes just a reflection of other driving in Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newswatcher[/bold] wrote: I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?[/p][/quote]I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.[/p][/quote]Yes just a reflection of other driving in Bradford. Joedavid
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10:19am Mon 28 Feb 11

mad matt says...

One way of getting un-taxed and un-insured drivers off the road I suppose - ram 'em off :)
One way of getting un-taxed and un-insured drivers off the road I suppose - ram 'em off :) mad matt
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10:37am Mon 28 Feb 11

Patrick Bateman says...

This shouldn't surprise anyone given the type of lawless demolition derby that passes for 'driving' around Bradford for many people. That said I have witnessed the gung-ho, reckless driving of the police at first hand and was amazed no accident was caused (with me and Mrs B). We rang up to lodge a complaint and to their supervisor's credit they seemed to treat the matter seriously.
This shouldn't surprise anyone given the type of lawless demolition derby that passes for 'driving' around Bradford for many people. That said I have witnessed the gung-ho, reckless driving of the police at first hand and was amazed no accident was caused (with me and Mrs B). We rang up to lodge a complaint and to their supervisor's credit they seemed to treat the matter seriously. Patrick Bateman
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11:28am Mon 28 Feb 11

bigo93 says...

Bradford has the highest percentage of uninsured, unlicensed drivers and lots of joyriders. This means that the police in Bradford will be involved in more chases thanks to these guys wanting to get away than be arrested and charged. Also the fact that probably half of them would be drug dealers and have some on them, the more they want to get away.

It is also thanks to this that our insurance premiums are through the roof! Elsewhere in the country we probably could save 50%, but because we live in a BD postcode the rest of us have to pay more.

The police should be actively hunting down these people, not waiting for them to commit a crime or happen to drive into one of their little checks.
Bradford has the highest percentage of uninsured, unlicensed drivers and lots of joyriders. This means that the police in Bradford will be involved in more chases thanks to these guys wanting to get away than be arrested and charged. Also the fact that probably half of them would be drug dealers and have some on them, the more they want to get away. It is also thanks to this that our insurance premiums are through the roof! Elsewhere in the country we probably could save 50%, but because we live in a BD postcode the rest of us have to pay more. The police should be actively hunting down these people, not waiting for them to commit a crime or happen to drive into one of their little checks. bigo93
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12:12pm Mon 28 Feb 11

bradred says...

bigo93 wrote:
Bradford has the highest percentage of uninsured, unlicensed drivers and lots of joyriders. This means that the police in Bradford will be involved in more chases thanks to these guys wanting to get away than be arrested and charged. Also the fact that probably half of them would be drug dealers and have some on them, the more they want to get away. It is also thanks to this that our insurance premiums are through the roof! Elsewhere in the country we probably could save 50%, but because we live in a BD postcode the rest of us have to pay more. The police should be actively hunting down these people, not waiting for them to commit a crime or happen to drive into one of their little checks.
Yes thanks to these scumbags my daughters insurance has now increased to nearly £2,500 a year for am eight year old car - and this is only third party!
[quote][p][bold]bigo93[/bold] wrote: Bradford has the highest percentage of uninsured, unlicensed drivers and lots of joyriders. This means that the police in Bradford will be involved in more chases thanks to these guys wanting to get away than be arrested and charged. Also the fact that probably half of them would be drug dealers and have some on them, the more they want to get away. It is also thanks to this that our insurance premiums are through the roof! Elsewhere in the country we probably could save 50%, but because we live in a BD postcode the rest of us have to pay more. The police should be actively hunting down these people, not waiting for them to commit a crime or happen to drive into one of their little checks.[/p][/quote]Yes thanks to these scumbags my daughters insurance has now increased to nearly £2,500 a year for am eight year old car - and this is only third party! bradred
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12:46pm Mon 28 Feb 11

Yorkshire Lass says...

bradred wrote:
bigo93 wrote:
Bradford has the highest percentage of uninsured, unlicensed drivers and lots of joyriders. This means that the police in Bradford will be involved in more chases thanks to these guys wanting to get away than be arrested and charged. Also the fact that probably half of them would be drug dealers and have some on them, the more they want to get away. It is also thanks to this that our insurance premiums are through the roof! Elsewhere in the country we probably could save 50%, but because we live in a BD postcode the rest of us have to pay more. The police should be actively hunting down these people, not waiting for them to commit a crime or happen to drive into one of their little checks.
Yes thanks to these scumbags my daughters insurance has now increased to nearly £2,500 a year for am eight year old car - and this is only third party!
It is remarkable that anyone should have to pay almost £2,500 for third party insurance on an eight year old car. I wish that this city could get to grips with the situation possibly with joint cooperation from the police and council. Bradford is now a broken, nay dead city in more ways than one and nothing seems to get done. What I really get annoyed about is the cars which are found burned out, I would say maybe twice a week and nobody ever seems to be brought to justice for these offences and always in the same areas'. Wake up police and council and do your jobs and let justice prevail. And slow down police, you are setting a bad example to the public.
[quote][p][bold]bradred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigo93[/bold] wrote: Bradford has the highest percentage of uninsured, unlicensed drivers and lots of joyriders. This means that the police in Bradford will be involved in more chases thanks to these guys wanting to get away than be arrested and charged. Also the fact that probably half of them would be drug dealers and have some on them, the more they want to get away. It is also thanks to this that our insurance premiums are through the roof! Elsewhere in the country we probably could save 50%, but because we live in a BD postcode the rest of us have to pay more. The police should be actively hunting down these people, not waiting for them to commit a crime or happen to drive into one of their little checks.[/p][/quote]Yes thanks to these scumbags my daughters insurance has now increased to nearly £2,500 a year for am eight year old car - and this is only third party![/p][/quote]It is remarkable that anyone should have to pay almost £2,500 for third party insurance on an eight year old car. I wish that this city could get to grips with the situation possibly with joint cooperation from the police and council. Bradford is now a broken, nay dead city in more ways than one and nothing seems to get done. What I really get annoyed about is the cars which are found burned out, I would say maybe twice a week and nobody ever seems to be brought to justice for these offences and always in the same areas'. Wake up police and council and do your jobs and let justice prevail. And slow down police, you are setting a bad example to the public. Yorkshire Lass
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12:48pm Mon 28 Feb 11

Your account is currently suspended says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Newswatcher wrote:
I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?
I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.
You've never been to Paris then?
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newswatcher[/bold] wrote: I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?[/p][/quote]I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.[/p][/quote]You've never been to Paris then? Your account is currently suspended
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12:51pm Mon 28 Feb 11

Your account is currently suspended says...

The cops are probably all stoned on all that skunk weed that they keep stealing from people.
The cops are probably all stoned on all that skunk weed that they keep stealing from people. Your account is currently suspended
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1:21pm Mon 28 Feb 11

cooperlane says...

A natural follow on question would be how many officers sustained injuries in these collisions such that they had to have either medical treatment or sick days.

Perhaps deliberate collisions by offenders should be treated as assault with a deadly weapon?
A natural follow on question would be how many officers sustained injuries in these collisions such that they had to have either medical treatment or sick days. Perhaps deliberate collisions by offenders should be treated as assault with a deadly weapon? cooperlane
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1:39pm Mon 28 Feb 11

yezboss says...

There are bound to be collisions, some are deliberate (and as such not an 'accident' per se within the definition- nevethless they are counted into the figures) They are often intended to 'take out' drivers who fail to stop Called Tactical Policing And Containment (TPAC) Specially trained Police Traffic Patrol drivers are the only ones offically allowed to engage in this procedure. Even then it has to be or should be 'authorised' by a supervisory officer.
The other main problem is NON Traffic Cars, namely small beat patrol vehicles being light cars and vans, being driven with blue lights and sirens on TO incidents. Those vehicles are not high performance vehicles nor are the drivers trained to Advanced Driving Course (ADC) standards in most cases. The reason they are fitted with emergency equipment is to enable them to safely negotiate their passage through standing or congested traffic on the approach to an incident and NOT to be driven at high speeds through and en route to it and then when there to make the vehicles presence known at the incident scene.
This is clearly abused regularly and can be observed daily. 'No incident is that serious that anyones safety should be prejudiced by such driving.' (ADC teaching)
As above if you witness bad Police driving or other vehicles being driven at speeds you consider unjustified and substantially above the lawful speed limit then report it. If you see what you may consider inappropriate driving of Traffic Patrol vehicles even that (however should be the exception rather than the norm), report that incident too including Ambulance and Fire & Rescue Service vehicles although the latter may be rare the former is not so rare in my view. You may be required to provide hard corroborated evidence so don't think you can throw a wild allegation at someone and walk away afterwards and forget it. You could end up giving evidence in a court of law or even a disciplinary hearing. UK Traffic Patrol Drivers are or should be proud of their image and try to set examples of a very high standard. Observe them and follow it. Not perhaps the case otherwise in my experience and world wide too.
There are bound to be collisions, some are deliberate (and as such not an 'accident' per se within the definition- nevethless they are counted into the figures) They are often intended to 'take out' drivers who fail to stop Called Tactical Policing And Containment (TPAC) Specially trained Police Traffic Patrol drivers are the only ones offically allowed to engage in this procedure. Even then it has to be or should be 'authorised' by a supervisory officer. The other main problem is NON Traffic Cars, namely small beat patrol vehicles being light cars and vans, being driven with blue lights and sirens on TO incidents. Those vehicles are not high performance vehicles nor are the drivers trained to Advanced Driving Course (ADC) standards in most cases. The reason they are fitted with emergency equipment is to enable them to safely negotiate their passage through standing or congested traffic on the approach to an incident and NOT to be driven at high speeds through and en route to it and then when there to make the vehicles presence known at the incident scene. This is clearly abused regularly and can be observed daily. 'No incident is that serious that anyones safety should be prejudiced by such driving.' (ADC teaching) As above if you witness bad Police driving or other vehicles being driven at speeds you consider unjustified and substantially above the lawful speed limit then report it. If you see what you may consider inappropriate driving of Traffic Patrol vehicles even that (however should be the exception rather than the norm), report that incident too including Ambulance and Fire & Rescue Service vehicles although the latter may be rare the former is not so rare in my view. You may be required to provide hard corroborated evidence so don't think you can throw a wild allegation at someone and walk away afterwards and forget it. You could end up giving evidence in a court of law or even a disciplinary hearing. UK Traffic Patrol Drivers are or should be proud of their image and try to set examples of a very high standard. Observe them and follow it. Not perhaps the case otherwise in my experience and world wide too. yezboss
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4:06pm Mon 28 Feb 11

bigo93 says...

What should be done is what they do in Canada, make it mandatory to have all cars fitted with a camera or black box recorder!

This will record all that is happening in the car, you can even get ones which have 2 cameras, one pointed out into the road ahead and one pointing into the car to view the driver and passengers.

Ever get tried of boy racers driving dangerously and overtaking you in unsafe manners? Well if these devices can record that and they you can just hand in the footage to the police, and as the recorder also notes down your speed you can guess the speed of the other vehicle.

I really do not see why they dont make these mandatory.
What should be done is what they do in Canada, make it mandatory to have all cars fitted with a camera or black box recorder! This will record all that is happening in the car, you can even get ones which have 2 cameras, one pointed out into the road ahead and one pointing into the car to view the driver and passengers. Ever get tried of boy racers driving dangerously and overtaking you in unsafe manners? Well if these devices can record that and they you can just hand in the footage to the police, and as the recorder also notes down your speed you can guess the speed of the other vehicle. I really do not see why they dont make these mandatory. bigo93
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4:57pm Mon 28 Feb 11

danger mouse says...

I wittnessed a police officer driving a marked police car only the other week along wrose rd drinking a mcdonalds whilst driving!! I only wished I'd taken the reg of the car
I wittnessed a police officer driving a marked police car only the other week along wrose rd drinking a mcdonalds whilst driving!! I only wished I'd taken the reg of the car danger mouse
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5:00pm Mon 28 Feb 11

John Phillips says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
Newswatcher wrote:
I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?
I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.
Even in Afghanistan?
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newswatcher[/bold] wrote: I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?[/p][/quote]I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.[/p][/quote]Even in Afghanistan? John Phillips
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5:00pm Mon 28 Feb 11

danny66 says...

instead of blaming the police we should be supporting them then maybe this toilet that we call home (bradford) would be a better safer place to walk/drive in
instead of blaming the police we should be supporting them then maybe this toilet that we call home (bradford) would be a better safer place to walk/drive in danny66
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5:18pm Mon 28 Feb 11

John Phillips says...

danny66 wrote:
instead of blaming the police we should be supporting them then maybe this toilet that we call home (bradford) would be a better safer place to walk/drive in
Thing is, I've a feeling the Polices' hand are tied by the Government.

.
If we had true punishments handed out, I'm sure we'd see a reduction in the amount of sick actions we hear about on a daily basis.
[quote][p][bold]danny66[/bold] wrote: instead of blaming the police we should be supporting them then maybe this toilet that we call home (bradford) would be a better safer place to walk/drive in[/p][/quote]Thing is, I've a feeling the Polices' hand are tied by the Government. . If we had true punishments handed out, I'm sure we'd see a reduction in the amount of sick actions we hear about on a daily basis. John Phillips
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5:36pm Mon 28 Feb 11

stansfairy says...

just had the occassion to be driving in front of a car which was souped up to the max with stuff you could have pulled off a NASA space ship and was loaded with eastern europeans( and yes they were i heard them speak before anyone jumps in ) with at least 3 kids under the age of 6 stood in the rear footwell whilst the mother (i can assume she was the mother) sat in the front seat with a fag in her hand swigging carlsberg from a can, this mean machine was followed by another souped up motor bigger and more better than the 1st bright orange in colour (that should just be an offence ) of the same classification. The driver behind me decided it was a fab idea to stop in the middle of Great Horton Road in a que of traffic so he can hang waist high out of his NASA modified car to talk in very loud words to the imbecile behind him. Now, they could have just pulled over and had a chat, but ohhhhh nooooooooooo, that way no one would look at their "modified" machines would they!!!! They held traffic up for at least 7 minutes whilst they had a chat. Its peoiple like these that need to be taken off the roads for many a reason but the main being they are a danger to themselves and to their own families and others - makes me wonder how on earth can he afford the insurance on his little beauty with all the mods on it ! surley the exhaust itself was not road worthy or the fin the size of a airplane wing on the back of the car !


rant over................
........
just had the occassion to be driving in front of a car which was souped up to the max with stuff you could have pulled off a NASA space ship and was loaded with eastern europeans( and yes they were i heard them speak before anyone jumps in ) with at least 3 kids under the age of 6 stood in the rear footwell whilst the mother (i can assume she was the mother) sat in the front seat with a fag in her hand swigging carlsberg from a can, this mean machine was followed by another souped up motor bigger and more better than the 1st bright orange in colour (that should just be an offence ) of the same classification. The driver behind me decided it was a fab idea to stop in the middle of Great Horton Road in a que of traffic so he can hang waist high out of his NASA modified car to talk in very loud words to the imbecile behind him. Now, they could have just pulled over and had a chat, but ohhhhh nooooooooooo, that way no one would look at their "modified" machines would they!!!! They held traffic up for at least 7 minutes whilst they had a chat. Its peoiple like these that need to be taken off the roads for many a reason but the main being they are a danger to themselves and to their own families and others - makes me wonder how on earth can he afford the insurance on his little beauty with all the mods on it ! surley the exhaust itself was not road worthy or the fin the size of a airplane wing on the back of the car ! rant over................ ........ stansfairy
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5:39pm Mon 28 Feb 11

yezboss says...

yezboss wrote:
There are bound to be collisions, some are deliberate (and as such not an 'accident' per se within the definition- nevethless they are counted into the figures) They are often intended to 'take out' drivers who fail to stop Called Tactical Policing And Containment (TPAC) Specially trained Police Traffic Patrol drivers are the only ones offically allowed to engage in this procedure. Even then it has to be or should be 'authorised' by a supervisory officer.
The other main problem is NON Traffic Cars, namely small beat patrol vehicles being light cars and vans, being driven with blue lights and sirens on TO incidents. Those vehicles are not high performance vehicles nor are the drivers trained to Advanced Driving Course (ADC) standards in most cases. The reason they are fitted with emergency equipment is to enable them to safely negotiate their passage through standing or congested traffic on the approach to an incident and NOT to be driven at high speeds through and en route to it and then when there to make the vehicles presence known at the incident scene.
This is clearly abused regularly and can be observed daily. 'No incident is that serious that anyones safety should be prejudiced by such driving.' (ADC teaching)
As above if you witness bad Police driving or other vehicles being driven at speeds you consider unjustified and substantially above the lawful speed limit then report it. If you see what you may consider inappropriate driving of Traffic Patrol vehicles even that (however should be the exception rather than the norm), report that incident too including Ambulance and Fire & Rescue Service vehicles although the latter may be rare the former is not so rare in my view. You may be required to provide hard corroborated evidence so don't think you can throw a wild allegation at someone and walk away afterwards and forget it. You could end up giving evidence in a court of law or even a disciplinary hearing. UK Traffic Patrol Drivers are or should be proud of their image and try to set examples of a very high standard. Observe them and follow it. Not perhaps the case otherwise in my experience and world wide too.
Ooops Tactical 'Pursuit 'not 'Policing'
Apologies.
[quote][p][bold]yezboss[/bold] wrote: There are bound to be collisions, some are deliberate (and as such not an 'accident' per se within the definition- nevethless they are counted into the figures) They are often intended to 'take out' drivers who fail to stop Called Tactical Policing And Containment (TPAC) Specially trained Police Traffic Patrol drivers are the only ones offically allowed to engage in this procedure. Even then it has to be or should be 'authorised' by a supervisory officer. The other main problem is NON Traffic Cars, namely small beat patrol vehicles being light cars and vans, being driven with blue lights and sirens on TO incidents. Those vehicles are not high performance vehicles nor are the drivers trained to Advanced Driving Course (ADC) standards in most cases. The reason they are fitted with emergency equipment is to enable them to safely negotiate their passage through standing or congested traffic on the approach to an incident and NOT to be driven at high speeds through and en route to it and then when there to make the vehicles presence known at the incident scene. This is clearly abused regularly and can be observed daily. 'No incident is that serious that anyones safety should be prejudiced by such driving.' (ADC teaching) As above if you witness bad Police driving or other vehicles being driven at speeds you consider unjustified and substantially above the lawful speed limit then report it. If you see what you may consider inappropriate driving of Traffic Patrol vehicles even that (however should be the exception rather than the norm), report that incident too including Ambulance and Fire & Rescue Service vehicles although the latter may be rare the former is not so rare in my view. You may be required to provide hard corroborated evidence so don't think you can throw a wild allegation at someone and walk away afterwards and forget it. You could end up giving evidence in a court of law or even a disciplinary hearing. UK Traffic Patrol Drivers are or should be proud of their image and try to set examples of a very high standard. Observe them and follow it. Not perhaps the case otherwise in my experience and world wide too.[/p][/quote]Ooops Tactical 'Pursuit 'not 'Policing' Apologies. yezboss
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6:06pm Mon 28 Feb 11

John Phillips says...

stansfairy wrote:
just had the occassion to be driving in front of a car which was souped up to the max with stuff you could have pulled off a NASA space ship and was loaded with eastern europeans( and yes they were i heard them speak before anyone jumps in ) with at least 3 kids under the age of 6 stood in the rear footwell whilst the mother (i can assume she was the mother) sat in the front seat with a fag in her hand swigging carlsberg from a can, this mean machine was followed by another souped up motor bigger and more better than the 1st bright orange in colour (that should just be an offence ) of the same classification. The driver behind me decided it was a fab idea to stop in the middle of Great Horton Road in a que of traffic so he can hang waist high out of his NASA modified car to talk in very loud words to the imbecile behind him. Now, they could have just pulled over and had a chat, but ohhhhh nooooooooooo, that way no one would look at their "modified" machines would they!!!! They held traffic up for at least 7 minutes whilst they had a chat. Its peoiple like these that need to be taken off the roads for many a reason but the main being they are a danger to themselves and to their own families and others - makes me wonder how on earth can he afford the insurance on his little beauty with all the mods on it ! surley the exhaust itself was not road worthy or the fin the size of a airplane wing on the back of the car !


rant over................

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Seems like a scene out of 'Borat the Movie'.
[quote][p][bold]stansfairy[/bold] wrote: just had the occassion to be driving in front of a car which was souped up to the max with stuff you could have pulled off a NASA space ship and was loaded with eastern europeans( and yes they were i heard them speak before anyone jumps in ) with at least 3 kids under the age of 6 stood in the rear footwell whilst the mother (i can assume she was the mother) sat in the front seat with a fag in her hand swigging carlsberg from a can, this mean machine was followed by another souped up motor bigger and more better than the 1st bright orange in colour (that should just be an offence ) of the same classification. The driver behind me decided it was a fab idea to stop in the middle of Great Horton Road in a que of traffic so he can hang waist high out of his NASA modified car to talk in very loud words to the imbecile behind him. Now, they could have just pulled over and had a chat, but ohhhhh nooooooooooo, that way no one would look at their "modified" machines would they!!!! They held traffic up for at least 7 minutes whilst they had a chat. Its peoiple like these that need to be taken off the roads for many a reason but the main being they are a danger to themselves and to their own families and others - makes me wonder how on earth can he afford the insurance on his little beauty with all the mods on it ! surley the exhaust itself was not road worthy or the fin the size of a airplane wing on the back of the car ! rant over................ ........[/p][/quote]Seems like a scene out of 'Borat the Movie'. John Phillips
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6:07pm Mon 28 Feb 11

albion says...

John Phillips wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Newswatcher wrote:
I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?
I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.
Even in Afghanistan?
You don't get many donkeys in Forster Square, YET!
[quote][p][bold]John Phillips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newswatcher[/bold] wrote: I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?[/p][/quote]I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.[/p][/quote]Even in Afghanistan?[/p][/quote]You don't get many donkeys in Forster Square, YET! albion
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6:09pm Mon 28 Feb 11

albion says...

danger mouse wrote:
I wittnessed a police officer driving a marked police car only the other week along wrose rd drinking a mcdonalds whilst driving!! I only wished I'd taken the reg of the car
"drinking a McDonalds"?
[quote][p][bold]danger mouse[/bold] wrote: I wittnessed a police officer driving a marked police car only the other week along wrose rd drinking a mcdonalds whilst driving!! I only wished I'd taken the reg of the car[/p][/quote]"drinking a McDonalds"? albion
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9:55pm Mon 28 Feb 11

danger mouse says...

albion wrote:
danger mouse wrote:
I wittnessed a police officer driving a marked police car only the other week along wrose rd drinking a mcdonalds whilst driving!! I only wished I'd taken the reg of the car
"drinking a McDonalds"?
well I can hardly tell what was inside the cup can I !!!!
[quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]danger mouse[/bold] wrote: I wittnessed a police officer driving a marked police car only the other week along wrose rd drinking a mcdonalds whilst driving!! I only wished I'd taken the reg of the car[/p][/quote]"drinking a McDonalds"?[/p][/quote]well I can hardly tell what was inside the cup can I !!!! danger mouse
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9:57pm Mon 28 Feb 11

emtee says...

My son who is a Class 1 HGV driver has just had his insurance increased by £200 as we live in a low BD Number.By searching on line the same quote for BD22, is £500 cheaper.NFU Mutual Insurance will not quote for the BD Area.
My son who is a Class 1 HGV driver has just had his insurance increased by £200 as we live in a low BD Number.By searching on line the same quote for BD22, is £500 cheaper.NFU Mutual Insurance will not quote for the BD Area. emtee
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10:22pm Mon 28 Feb 11

Tinybantam says...

Yorkshire Lass wrote:
bradred wrote:
bigo93 wrote: Bradford has the highest percentage of uninsured, unlicensed drivers and lots of joyriders. This means that the police in Bradford will be involved in more chases thanks to these guys wanting to get away than be arrested and charged. Also the fact that probably half of them would be drug dealers and have some on them, the more they want to get away. It is also thanks to this that our insurance premiums are through the roof! Elsewhere in the country we probably could save 50%, but because we live in a BD postcode the rest of us have to pay more. The police should be actively hunting down these people, not waiting for them to commit a crime or happen to drive into one of their little checks.
Yes thanks to these scumbags my daughters insurance has now increased to nearly £2,500 a year for am eight year old car - and this is only third party!
It is remarkable that anyone should have to pay almost £2,500 for third party insurance on an eight year old car. I wish that this city could get to grips with the situation possibly with joint cooperation from the police and council. Bradford is now a broken, nay dead city in more ways than one and nothing seems to get done. What I really get annoyed about is the cars which are found burned out, I would say maybe twice a week and nobody ever seems to be brought to justice for these offences and always in the same areas'. Wake up police and council and do your jobs and let justice prevail. And slow down police, you are setting a bad example to the public.
Unfortunately this city will never get to grips with the situation, until the police go all out to rid the roads of the scum that cause these problems. Most of the boy-racers, joy-riders(most mis-appropriate word ever) and drug dealers are well known to many, but the police seem to be scared to do anything about it. These people are easy to spot with the ANPR cameras and should be rounded up straight away. As one poster has already said, Bradford is a toilet....the toilet of the earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigo93[/bold] wrote: Bradford has the highest percentage of uninsured, unlicensed drivers and lots of joyriders. This means that the police in Bradford will be involved in more chases thanks to these guys wanting to get away than be arrested and charged. Also the fact that probably half of them would be drug dealers and have some on them, the more they want to get away. It is also thanks to this that our insurance premiums are through the roof! Elsewhere in the country we probably could save 50%, but because we live in a BD postcode the rest of us have to pay more. The police should be actively hunting down these people, not waiting for them to commit a crime or happen to drive into one of their little checks.[/p][/quote]Yes thanks to these scumbags my daughters insurance has now increased to nearly £2,500 a year for am eight year old car - and this is only third party![/p][/quote]It is remarkable that anyone should have to pay almost £2,500 for third party insurance on an eight year old car. I wish that this city could get to grips with the situation possibly with joint cooperation from the police and council. Bradford is now a broken, nay dead city in more ways than one and nothing seems to get done. What I really get annoyed about is the cars which are found burned out, I would say maybe twice a week and nobody ever seems to be brought to justice for these offences and always in the same areas'. Wake up police and council and do your jobs and let justice prevail. And slow down police, you are setting a bad example to the public.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately this city will never get to grips with the situation, until the police go all out to rid the roads of the scum that cause these problems. Most of the boy-racers, joy-riders(most mis-appropriate word ever) and drug dealers are well known to many, but the police seem to be scared to do anything about it. These people are easy to spot with the ANPR cameras and should be rounded up straight away. As one poster has already said, Bradford is a toilet....the toilet of the earth!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tinybantam
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10:23pm Mon 28 Feb 11

Rjonwilly says...

Your account is currently suspended wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Newswatcher wrote:
I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?
I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.
You've never been to Paris then?
I would class myself as a regular visitor to Paris, and whilst agreeing the driving in some areas of that city is best described as chaotic, it is organised chaos. This is as opposed to the mindless, uninsured idiots screaming round the Bradford area in a vain attempt to look "cool". The reason more police cars are involved in crashes is that there are more idiots for them to chase.
[quote][p][bold]Your account is currently suspended[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newswatcher[/bold] wrote: I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?[/p][/quote]I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.[/p][/quote]You've never been to Paris then?[/p][/quote]I would class myself as a regular visitor to Paris, and whilst agreeing the driving in some areas of that city is best described as chaotic, it is organised chaos. This is as opposed to the mindless, uninsured idiots screaming round the Bradford area in a vain attempt to look "cool". The reason more police cars are involved in crashes is that there are more idiots for them to chase. Rjonwilly
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10:26pm Mon 28 Feb 11

Rjonwilly says...

John Phillips wrote:
Bone_idle18 wrote:
Newswatcher wrote:
I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?
I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.
Even in Afghanistan?
Yes, even Afghanistan - that's because all their idiot drivers are over here.
[quote][p][bold]John Phillips[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newswatcher[/bold] wrote: I don't doubt the skills of the "highly trained police drivers" but how many of these incidents involve the less skilled officers driving?[/p][/quote]I would suspect the problem is down to other drivers, the standard of driving by the general public in Bradford is the worst I have experienced anywhere in the world.[/p][/quote]Even in Afghanistan?[/p][/quote]Yes, even Afghanistan - that's because all their idiot drivers are over here. Rjonwilly
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8:05am Tue 1 Mar 11

Avro says...

The number for Police car's in collisons does not mean anything unless we know how many are blameworthy, I think you'll find that the majority are blameless!
The number for Police car's in collisons does not mean anything unless we know how many are blameworthy, I think you'll find that the majority are blameless! Avro
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12:50pm Tue 1 Mar 11

Yorkshirebird says...

why don't we get tha people that have casued the accidents to pay up for the damage, ooops they are not insured (most likley), Bradford is going down hill big time and the Police are fighting a loosing battle in more ways than one!! (I really wouldn't know where to start)
We shoudl spend more money on policing, stop scrutinising and stop glorified MP's from making us pay for their LAVISH lifestyles!!
why don't we get tha people that have casued the accidents to pay up for the damage, ooops they are not insured (most likley), Bradford is going down hill big time and the Police are fighting a loosing battle in more ways than one!! (I really wouldn't know where to start) We shoudl spend more money on policing, stop scrutinising and stop glorified MP's from making us pay for their LAVISH lifestyles!! Yorkshirebird
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