Plea for food aid as child poverty soars in Bradford

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Councillor Ralph Berrry Councillor Ralph Berrry

A charity helping to feed poverty-stricken families is making a desperate appeal for food donations as it is revealed that more than 37,000 youngsters in Bradford are now living below the breadline.

Last month Bradford Metropolitan Food Bank handed out 308 parcels – the most since it started in 2004 and more than six times the monthly amount handed out two years ago.

And schools in some areas of the district worst affected by poverty are now holding cookery lessons on a Friday so pupils have a meal to take home with them.

Councillor Ralph Berry , the executive member on Bradford Council for children’s services, illustrated the divide across Council wards with 68 per cent of children living in poverty in Bowling and Barkerend compared to one per cent in Ilkley .

He said the Child Poverty Board, set up three years ago and of which he is chairman, was tackling issues around deprivation and the impact of welfare reforms. He said: “The situation outrages me when we see policies making the wealthy wealthier. Schools are ensuring children have enough carbohydrates and are ensuring they take part in cooking-related activities so they can take meals home on a Friday.

“Some 1,800 children will also be affected by families having to move to smaller properties because of benefit cuts. We are extremely concerned about this. Many of those in poverty are also affected by changes to Working Tax Credits.”

Bradford Food Bank is appealing to supermarkets and the public to help keep it supplied to enable it to respond to requests for help from the Probation Service, Citizen’s Advice Bureau and housing associations.

Ken Leach, its co-ordinator, said: “We are desperate for donations because the amount of parcels has gone up so much. 308 is the highest it has ever been – three years ago we were giving out 40 to 50 parcels a month. People are struggling and benefits are being cut and unemployment is very high and people just haven’t got the money.

“I wish we did not need a food bank but the reality is people are hungry and there are people out there who need feeding.

“We rely on donations to survive and are hoping that the Harvest Festival season will result in a lot of donations from lots of schools and churches.”

Alex Bohdanowicz, of Bradford & Airedale Citizens Advice Bureau, said that although it was predominantly an advice centre, it had been handing out parcels to people with nothing.

“Since April there has been a reduction in entitlement to Working Tax Credits and reduction in the amount of housing benefit people are entitled to,” she said. “It saddens me that we are living in a society where people on the lowest income who are working or unable to work are struggling to survive. We give out food parcels every week and our advice centre is an advice centre, not a food bank.

“We have been coming across people who have no food much more commonly in the last couple of years.”

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7:13am Mon 17 Sep 12

thelastmanstanding says...

Note to British citizens, if you vote for Labour, CONservatice, Lib Dem, Respect or anybody further to the left of UKIP, this is what you are voting for.
Note to British citizens, if you vote for Labour, CONservatice, Lib Dem, Respect or anybody further to the left of UKIP, this is what you are voting for. thelastmanstanding

7:35am Mon 17 Sep 12

Apollo says...

Note to parents - if you smoke, drink, subscribe to Sky etc. and your children are hungry you need to spend your money on food.

No British child should every go hungry and be in need of charitable handouts.
Note to parents - if you smoke, drink, subscribe to Sky etc. and your children are hungry you need to spend your money on food. No British child should every go hungry and be in need of charitable handouts. Apollo

7:57am Mon 17 Sep 12

thatsnotmyname says...

Can anyone turn up and get a parcel? How do they know who is in need and who is not?
Can anyone turn up and get a parcel? How do they know who is in need and who is not? thatsnotmyname

8:07am Mon 17 Sep 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

It's the mentality installed in modern Britain.
Just have as many children as you want and someone else will pay for them.
I wonder where and how the chikd benefit money is being spent.
It's the mentality installed in modern Britain. Just have as many children as you want and someone else will pay for them. I wonder where and how the chikd benefit money is being spent. Thee Voice of Reason

8:10am Mon 17 Sep 12

Whatthejuice says...

Who are these people, how have they got into this state?

Another story in the T A states a lady on benefits could afford to save for a Butlins holiday for her and her family!

I think there may be a big problem in budget management with the benefits being received by those struggling.

I believe the majority of benefits should be paid out in vouchers for food housing travel etc, minimising mis spending.
Who are these people, how have they got into this state? Another story in the T A states a lady on benefits could afford to save for a Butlins holiday for her and her family! I think there may be a big problem in budget management with the benefits being received by those struggling. I believe the majority of benefits should be paid out in vouchers for food housing travel etc, minimising mis spending. Whatthejuice

8:21am Mon 17 Sep 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Whatthejuice wrote:
Who are these people, how have they got into this state?

Another story in the T A states a lady on benefits could afford to save for a Butlins holiday for her and her family!

I think there may be a big problem in budget management with the benefits being received by those struggling.

I believe the majority of benefits should be paid out in vouchers for food housing travel etc, minimising mis spending.
Just seen that, 28 and unable to work but was able to save for a holiday for 6.
Then on top appears to be able to get legal represenration to enable compensation.
[quote][p][bold]Whatthejuice[/bold] wrote: Who are these people, how have they got into this state? Another story in the T A states a lady on benefits could afford to save for a Butlins holiday for her and her family! I think there may be a big problem in budget management with the benefits being received by those struggling. I believe the majority of benefits should be paid out in vouchers for food housing travel etc, minimising mis spending.[/p][/quote]Just seen that, 28 and unable to work but was able to save for a holiday for 6. Then on top appears to be able to get legal represenration to enable compensation. Thee Voice of Reason

8:22am Mon 17 Sep 12

angry bradfordian says...

Why does Mr Berry insinuate that this poverty (it really should have a different name, as it's completely different to the real poverty in Asia & Africa) has only happened since the ConDems came to power.
These polices that make the 'wealthy wealthier' weren't replaced by his Labour government in 13 years and presumably existed when he set up his board 3 years ago.
Why does Mr Berry insinuate that this poverty (it really should have a different name, as it's completely different to the real poverty in Asia & Africa) has only happened since the ConDems came to power. These polices that make the 'wealthy wealthier' weren't replaced by his Labour government in 13 years and presumably existed when he set up his board 3 years ago. angry bradfordian

8:31am Mon 17 Sep 12

birday says...

It is possible to live on benefits when the money is spent wisely.
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On sale in all the supermarkets are a wide variety of basic range tinned, packet and fresh fruit food which are extremely cheap priced and probably subsidised by shoppers who buy more expensively priced food. These foods are excellent quality - have tried and use them myself. There is simply no reason why any child or person should go hungry.
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To the charities I say please help these people to understand what they can and can't afford and how to keep warm without cranking up the heating etc.
It is possible to live on benefits when the money is spent wisely. . On sale in all the supermarkets are a wide variety of basic range tinned, packet and fresh fruit food which are extremely cheap priced and probably subsidised by shoppers who buy more expensively priced food. These foods are excellent quality - have tried and use them myself. There is simply no reason why any child or person should go hungry. . To the charities I say please help these people to understand what they can and can't afford and how to keep warm without cranking up the heating etc. birday

9:14am Mon 17 Sep 12

Andy2010 says...

Agree with above poster here that there is no reason for any child to go hungry with the benefits system. Yes its hard but rightly so on benefits. The harder it is the better as at least if people suffer hardship they might get off their backsides and go out to work rather than relying on handouts. Also at least the kids will see that the benefits life is tough and hopefully not end up like so many who treat it as a lifestyle
Agree with above poster here that there is no reason for any child to go hungry with the benefits system. Yes its hard but rightly so on benefits. The harder it is the better as at least if people suffer hardship they might get off their backsides and go out to work rather than relying on handouts. Also at least the kids will see that the benefits life is tough and hopefully not end up like so many who treat it as a lifestyle Andy2010

9:30am Mon 17 Sep 12

Mike Strutter says...

How do you donate ?
How do you donate ? Mike Strutter

9:42am Mon 17 Sep 12

Farsley Bantam says...

If your a UK tax payer you have already 'donated' to those in 'need'.
Put your money away. This project is being used as a meal ticket for people who would rather spend 'their' money on other things.
If your a UK tax payer you have already 'donated' to those in 'need'. Put your money away. This project is being used as a meal ticket for people who would rather spend 'their' money on other things. Farsley Bantam

9:44am Mon 17 Sep 12

allannicho says...

Bradfords a third world city man!
Bradfords a third world city man! allannicho

9:57am Mon 17 Sep 12

collos25 says...

Some of the poverty may be caused by other factors such as drink etc but why should the children have to suffer in this once great city there is abject poverty not only children but all people.I personally have just received my pension forcast 142pounds a week really going to live the high live on that.
I hope the haves never have to endure being part of the have nots as most of these tales of pots of gold waiting are just that tales.
Some of the poverty may be caused by other factors such as drink etc but why should the children have to suffer in this once great city there is abject poverty not only children but all people.I personally have just received my pension forcast 142pounds a week really going to live the high live on that. I hope the haves never have to endure being part of the have nots as most of these tales of pots of gold waiting are just that tales. collos25

10:09am Mon 17 Sep 12

pellethead says...

Regardless of whether parents spend their money, be it benefits or wages, appropriately or not, children are going hungry. There are many reasons for this, all of which the children in poverty have no control over. I despise the bitterness of some people. These are children. Remember that.
Regardless of whether parents spend their money, be it benefits or wages, appropriately or not, children are going hungry. There are many reasons for this, all of which the children in poverty have no control over. I despise the bitterness of some people. These are children. Remember that. pellethead

10:21am Mon 17 Sep 12

Andy2010 says...

If the parents cannot afford to at least feed their kids on the benefit money provided they are unfit to be parents.

Even on JSA and say on £20 a week left over from bills that is enough to feed kids for a week if you take some time out to cook and plan meals.

The simple thing here is the parents cant be bothered and as such and their mentality is "someone else will sort it"
If the parents cannot afford to at least feed their kids on the benefit money provided they are unfit to be parents. Even on JSA and say on £20 a week left over from bills that is enough to feed kids for a week if you take some time out to cook and plan meals. The simple thing here is the parents cant be bothered and as such and their mentality is "someone else will sort it" Andy2010

10:25am Mon 17 Sep 12

Yorkshire Lass says...

Is Councillor Berry for real - he is comparing the people who live in Barkerend and West Bowling (allegedly 37%) to the people (apparently 1%) who live in Ilkley. Perhaps it should be pointed out that the majority of people who live in Ilkley took the trouble to be educated and probably have decent jobs. It would appear that parents of these children in poverty should be educated on how to spend their benefits more wisely, surely that would take the children out of poverty.
Is Councillor Berry for real - he is comparing the people who live in Barkerend and West Bowling (allegedly 37%) to the people (apparently 1%) who live in Ilkley. Perhaps it should be pointed out that the majority of people who live in Ilkley took the trouble to be educated and probably have decent jobs. It would appear that parents of these children in poverty should be educated on how to spend their benefits more wisely, surely that would take the children out of poverty. Yorkshire Lass

10:59am Mon 17 Sep 12

Albion. says...

allannicho wrote:
Bradfords a third world city man!
It certainly is! And it'll get worse, whoever is in government.
[quote][p][bold]allannicho[/bold] wrote: Bradfords a third world city man![/p][/quote]It certainly is! And it'll get worse, whoever is in government. Albion.

11:08am Mon 17 Sep 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Yorkshire Lass wrote:
Is Councillor Berry for real - he is comparing the people who live in Barkerend and West Bowling (allegedly 37%) to the people (apparently 1%) who live in Ilkley. Perhaps it should be pointed out that the majority of people who live in Ilkley took the trouble to be educated and probably have decent jobs. It would appear that parents of these children in poverty should be educated on how to spend their benefits more wisely, surely that would take the children out of poverty.
Whats the average family size in both these areas. I have a feeling in one area the family will be large whilst in the other they will be small and affordable.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: Is Councillor Berry for real - he is comparing the people who live in Barkerend and West Bowling (allegedly 37%) to the people (apparently 1%) who live in Ilkley. Perhaps it should be pointed out that the majority of people who live in Ilkley took the trouble to be educated and probably have decent jobs. It would appear that parents of these children in poverty should be educated on how to spend their benefits more wisely, surely that would take the children out of poverty.[/p][/quote]Whats the average family size in both these areas. I have a feeling in one area the family will be large whilst in the other they will be small and affordable. Thee Voice of Reason

11:09am Mon 17 Sep 12

pweibj67 says...

this is a total lie of course!!

why on earth would our wonderful council be thinking about scrapping Council tax relief if this was true!

£70 is easily enough to cloth/feed/heat/trav
el for your family!

After all The utility companies are doing all they can to bring prices of gas and electric down!
this is a total lie of course!! why on earth would our wonderful council be thinking about scrapping Council tax relief if this was true! £70 is easily enough to cloth/feed/heat/trav el for your family! After all The utility companies are doing all they can to bring prices of gas and electric down! pweibj67

11:11am Mon 17 Sep 12

pweibj67 says...

ps dear all

what the none scrounging families who have lost their jobs due to the economic down turn ...

the good parents who do there best!

some of the comments on here make me sick!
ps dear all what the none scrounging families who have lost their jobs due to the economic down turn ... the good parents who do there best! some of the comments on here make me sick! pweibj67

11:15am Mon 17 Sep 12

pweibj67 says...

PS I'm sorry the the appalling English in the above post!!

Their!! of!!

hang my head in shame!
PS I'm sorry the the appalling English in the above post!! Their!! of!! hang my head in shame! pweibj67

11:23am Mon 17 Sep 12

PeterBooth says...

As above comments, it would be interested to know how many of these poverty stricken households have all the latest electronic gadgetry, big screen TV's, kids with mobiles etc. I will always remember something on the TV news of a similiar topic, father interviewed saying he often went to bed hungry so that there was enough food for his kids, then camera shots of his lounge showing hundreds of pounds of unecessary gadgets. No hope I fear, the country has had it !! Too late.
As above comments, it would be interested to know how many of these poverty stricken households have all the latest electronic gadgetry, big screen TV's, kids with mobiles etc. I will always remember something on the TV news of a similiar topic, father interviewed saying he often went to bed hungry so that there was enough food for his kids, then camera shots of his lounge showing hundreds of pounds of unecessary gadgets. No hope I fear, the country has had it !! Too late. PeterBooth

11:39am Mon 17 Sep 12

pellethead says...

PeterBooth wrote:
As above comments, it would be interested to know how many of these poverty stricken households have all the latest electronic gadgetry, big screen TV's, kids with mobiles etc. I will always remember something on the TV news of a similiar topic, father interviewed saying he often went to bed hungry so that there was enough food for his kids, then camera shots of his lounge showing hundreds of pounds of unecessary gadgets. No hope I fear, the country has had it !! Too late.
Perhaps he bought these items before he ended up on benefits.
[quote][p][bold]PeterBooth[/bold] wrote: As above comments, it would be interested to know how many of these poverty stricken households have all the latest electronic gadgetry, big screen TV's, kids with mobiles etc. I will always remember something on the TV news of a similiar topic, father interviewed saying he often went to bed hungry so that there was enough food for his kids, then camera shots of his lounge showing hundreds of pounds of unecessary gadgets. No hope I fear, the country has had it !! Too late.[/p][/quote]Perhaps he bought these items before he ended up on benefits. pellethead

11:49am Mon 17 Sep 12

Farsley Bantam says...

pellethead wrote:
PeterBooth wrote: As above comments, it would be interested to know how many of these poverty stricken households have all the latest electronic gadgetry, big screen TV's, kids with mobiles etc. I will always remember something on the TV news of a similiar topic, father interviewed saying he often went to bed hungry so that there was enough food for his kids, then camera shots of his lounge showing hundreds of pounds of unecessary gadgets. No hope I fear, the country has had it !! Too late.
Perhaps he bought these items before he ended up on benefits.
Perhaps but the fact that he was going to bed hungry when their were hundreds of pounds worth of gadgets down stairs speaks volumes. He could sell them and buy loads of food with the proceeds but he would rather go hungry than live without his gadgets, the fool.
[quote][p][bold]pellethead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PeterBooth[/bold] wrote: As above comments, it would be interested to know how many of these poverty stricken households have all the latest electronic gadgetry, big screen TV's, kids with mobiles etc. I will always remember something on the TV news of a similiar topic, father interviewed saying he often went to bed hungry so that there was enough food for his kids, then camera shots of his lounge showing hundreds of pounds of unecessary gadgets. No hope I fear, the country has had it !! Too late.[/p][/quote]Perhaps he bought these items before he ended up on benefits.[/p][/quote]Perhaps but the fact that he was going to bed hungry when their were hundreds of pounds worth of gadgets down stairs speaks volumes. He could sell them and buy loads of food with the proceeds but he would rather go hungry than live without his gadgets, the fool. Farsley Bantam

11:54am Mon 17 Sep 12

pellethead says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
pellethead wrote:
PeterBooth wrote: As above comments, it would be interested to know how many of these poverty stricken households have all the latest electronic gadgetry, big screen TV's, kids with mobiles etc. I will always remember something on the TV news of a similiar topic, father interviewed saying he often went to bed hungry so that there was enough food for his kids, then camera shots of his lounge showing hundreds of pounds of unecessary gadgets. No hope I fear, the country has had it !! Too late.
Perhaps he bought these items before he ended up on benefits.
Perhaps but the fact that he was going to bed hungry when their were hundreds of pounds worth of gadgets down stairs speaks volumes. He could sell them and buy loads of food with the proceeds but he would rather go hungry than live without his gadgets, the fool.
Perhaps people like him should sell all there worldly goods and when they have nothing left to sell perhaps they ought to sent to the workhouse or better still left to die.We live in 2012 not 1812.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pellethead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PeterBooth[/bold] wrote: As above comments, it would be interested to know how many of these poverty stricken households have all the latest electronic gadgetry, big screen TV's, kids with mobiles etc. I will always remember something on the TV news of a similiar topic, father interviewed saying he often went to bed hungry so that there was enough food for his kids, then camera shots of his lounge showing hundreds of pounds of unecessary gadgets. No hope I fear, the country has had it !! Too late.[/p][/quote]Perhaps he bought these items before he ended up on benefits.[/p][/quote]Perhaps but the fact that he was going to bed hungry when their were hundreds of pounds worth of gadgets down stairs speaks volumes. He could sell them and buy loads of food with the proceeds but he would rather go hungry than live without his gadgets, the fool.[/p][/quote]Perhaps people like him should sell all there worldly goods and when they have nothing left to sell perhaps they ought to sent to the workhouse or better still left to die.We live in 2012 not 1812. pellethead

11:59am Mon 17 Sep 12

ANY WHERE BUT HERE says...

People talk about it been a lifestyle choice? Who in there right mind would want to live on £70 pound a week. Don't have a go at people who have nothing and have been let down time after time. What happened to education education education, were now one of the most declining country's in the world statisticly. The way were govened Doesn't work.
People talk about it been a lifestyle choice? Who in there right mind would want to live on £70 pound a week. Don't have a go at people who have nothing and have been let down time after time. What happened to education education education, were now one of the most declining country's in the world statisticly. The way were govened Doesn't work. ANY WHERE BUT HERE

12:07pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Farsley Bantam says...

pellethead wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
pellethead wrote:
PeterBooth wrote: As above comments, it would be interested to know how many of these poverty stricken households have all the latest electronic gadgetry, big screen TV's, kids with mobiles etc. I will always remember something on the TV news of a similiar topic, father interviewed saying he often went to bed hungry so that there was enough food for his kids, then camera shots of his lounge showing hundreds of pounds of unecessary gadgets. No hope I fear, the country has had it !! Too late.
Perhaps he bought these items before he ended up on benefits.
Perhaps but the fact that he was going to bed hungry when their were hundreds of pounds worth of gadgets down stairs speaks volumes. He could sell them and buy loads of food with the proceeds but he would rather go hungry than live without his gadgets, the fool.
Perhaps people like him should sell all there worldly goods and when they have nothing left to sell perhaps they ought to sent to the workhouse or better still left to die.We live in 2012 not 1812.
I don't think thats necessary. He just needs to get his priorities in order. Or he could just put the begging bowl away and get a job and feed himself rather that expecting the state to feed him. Crazy idea I know.
[quote][p][bold]pellethead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pellethead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PeterBooth[/bold] wrote: As above comments, it would be interested to know how many of these poverty stricken households have all the latest electronic gadgetry, big screen TV's, kids with mobiles etc. I will always remember something on the TV news of a similiar topic, father interviewed saying he often went to bed hungry so that there was enough food for his kids, then camera shots of his lounge showing hundreds of pounds of unecessary gadgets. No hope I fear, the country has had it !! Too late.[/p][/quote]Perhaps he bought these items before he ended up on benefits.[/p][/quote]Perhaps but the fact that he was going to bed hungry when their were hundreds of pounds worth of gadgets down stairs speaks volumes. He could sell them and buy loads of food with the proceeds but he would rather go hungry than live without his gadgets, the fool.[/p][/quote]Perhaps people like him should sell all there worldly goods and when they have nothing left to sell perhaps they ought to sent to the workhouse or better still left to die.We live in 2012 not 1812.[/p][/quote]I don't think thats necessary. He just needs to get his priorities in order. Or he could just put the begging bowl away and get a job and feed himself rather that expecting the state to feed him. Crazy idea I know. Farsley Bantam

12:07pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Andy2010 says...

ANY WHERE BUT HERE wrote:
People talk about it been a lifestyle choice? Who in there right mind would want to live on £70 pound a week. Don't have a go at people who have nothing and have been let down time after time. What happened to education education education, were now one of the most declining country's in the world statisticly. The way were govened Doesn't work.
Ill tell you what happened. The schools try their best but for example at my sons school the children who are often late and disruptive come from families off "certain" estates where neither parents (they will know both if they are lucky) work yet they still struggle to get up out of bed everyday even to get their kids to school

Im sick to death of people blaming the ecomony, government, bankers, councils, benefits system, teachers, social workers etc etc etc rather than looking to themselves to sort out their own lives.

It really is that simple that some people nowadays want to be led through life with their hands held and be told "there there everything will be ok".

For gods sake just take responsibility for your own lives, look after the children you have contribute to society and make the best out of life both for children and yourselves.
[quote][p][bold]ANY WHERE BUT HERE[/bold] wrote: People talk about it been a lifestyle choice? Who in there right mind would want to live on £70 pound a week. Don't have a go at people who have nothing and have been let down time after time. What happened to education education education, were now one of the most declining country's in the world statisticly. The way were govened Doesn't work.[/p][/quote]Ill tell you what happened. The schools try their best but for example at my sons school the children who are often late and disruptive come from families off "certain" estates where neither parents (they will know both if they are lucky) work yet they still struggle to get up out of bed everyday even to get their kids to school Im sick to death of people blaming the ecomony, government, bankers, councils, benefits system, teachers, social workers etc etc etc rather than looking to themselves to sort out their own lives. It really is that simple that some people nowadays want to be led through life with their hands held and be told "there there everything will be ok". For gods sake just take responsibility for your own lives, look after the children you have contribute to society and make the best out of life both for children and yourselves. Andy2010

12:39pm Mon 17 Sep 12

i hate bradford says...

I think one of the problems is people having to wait over a month for benefits to be processed. In that time a person could starve to death. These benefits are not just for non workers they also include workers on minimum wage topped up by benefits.
What can they do if they have lost their job or been made redundant and they cant receive any money for a month.

We can not let anyone starve it would be criminal in this day and age that working AND non working are put in this position of starving. It also takes a month if there are any changes to a claim of tax credits etc. and in that time the person(s)could starve. Proud people will be too ashamed to admit they have reached this point so will just suffer in silence and go hungry. As for sky TV comments etc.. they can not pay the bills and are disconnected. No one would chose TV etc. over feeding their kids but you never know when you will lose your job.
I think one of the problems is people having to wait over a month for benefits to be processed. In that time a person could starve to death. These benefits are not just for non workers they also include workers on minimum wage topped up by benefits. What can they do if they have lost their job or been made redundant and they cant receive any money for a month. We can not let anyone starve it would be criminal in this day and age that working AND non working are put in this position of starving. It also takes a month if there are any changes to a claim of tax credits etc. and in that time the person(s)could starve. Proud people will be too ashamed to admit they have reached this point so will just suffer in silence and go hungry. As for sky TV comments etc.. they can not pay the bills and are disconnected. No one would chose TV etc. over feeding their kids but you never know when you will lose your job. i hate bradford

1:13pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Andy2010 says...

i hate bradford wrote:
I think one of the problems is people having to wait over a month for benefits to be processed. In that time a person could starve to death. These benefits are not just for non workers they also include workers on minimum wage topped up by benefits. What can they do if they have lost their job or been made redundant and they cant receive any money for a month. We can not let anyone starve it would be criminal in this day and age that working AND non working are put in this position of starving. It also takes a month if there are any changes to a claim of tax credits etc. and in that time the person(s)could starve. Proud people will be too ashamed to admit they have reached this point so will just suffer in silence and go hungry. As for sky TV comments etc.. they can not pay the bills and are disconnected. No one would chose TV etc. over feeding their kids but you never know when you will lose your job.
As people work time in lieu most would even if made redundant still expect a future wage and have their existing wage paid. You can put your claim in straight away with the dwp who will process and make sure the claim starts from the date of redundancy

I can understand the frustration but what do you expect them to do? they cannot process and pay every single claim on the day received as this is completely unworkable besides and say for example you lost your job today and the last time you got paid was the end of August then you would still have that wage would you not?
[quote][p][bold]i hate bradford[/bold] wrote: I think one of the problems is people having to wait over a month for benefits to be processed. In that time a person could starve to death. These benefits are not just for non workers they also include workers on minimum wage topped up by benefits. What can they do if they have lost their job or been made redundant and they cant receive any money for a month. We can not let anyone starve it would be criminal in this day and age that working AND non working are put in this position of starving. It also takes a month if there are any changes to a claim of tax credits etc. and in that time the person(s)could starve. Proud people will be too ashamed to admit they have reached this point so will just suffer in silence and go hungry. As for sky TV comments etc.. they can not pay the bills and are disconnected. No one would chose TV etc. over feeding their kids but you never know when you will lose your job.[/p][/quote]As people work time in lieu most would even if made redundant still expect a future wage and have their existing wage paid. You can put your claim in straight away with the dwp who will process and make sure the claim starts from the date of redundancy I can understand the frustration but what do you expect them to do? they cannot process and pay every single claim on the day received as this is completely unworkable besides and say for example you lost your job today and the last time you got paid was the end of August then you would still have that wage would you not? Andy2010

1:24pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

The biggest reason for child poverty is people having children they can not afford.
It is selfish and irresponsible to have children you can't afford to feed and totally unfair to the children born into such a family.
The biggest reason for child poverty is people having children they can not afford. It is selfish and irresponsible to have children you can't afford to feed and totally unfair to the children born into such a family. Thee Voice of Reason

2:13pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Saltaire Bantam says...

The reason why the number handouts has gone up is because word has got around that there is free food available. All you have to do is pretend you are poor then you can spend the money you save on sky TV or a new car.
The reason why the number handouts has gone up is because word has got around that there is free food available. All you have to do is pretend you are poor then you can spend the money you save on sky TV or a new car. Saltaire Bantam

2:46pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Andy2010 says...

Reality50 wrote:
From my recent trips to Bradford it seems the Asian community are doing rather well and the white inner city population are the ones that are struggling.I don't feel it is racist to say that because it is true.Voting Labour or for Respect will only make things worse.The banks need to start lending again so small businesses can launch and thrive and local people can benefit.If the banks won't lend as is what is currently happening then locals cannot get up the wealth ladder as there are few jobs out there at the moment.The Asian community is less affected as they tend to lend from sharia banks and as a community are better at looking after each other so few of them end up in the poverty trap.
But the banks do lend if the business is viable. The problems occur when businesses as with consumers are borrowing money with little or no chance of paying it back. All that has happened is the lending criteria has now been tightened up rather than a free for all which benefits no one
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: From my recent trips to Bradford it seems the Asian community are doing rather well and the white inner city population are the ones that are struggling.I don't feel it is racist to say that because it is true.Voting Labour or for Respect will only make things worse.The banks need to start lending again so small businesses can launch and thrive and local people can benefit.If the banks won't lend as is what is currently happening then locals cannot get up the wealth ladder as there are few jobs out there at the moment.The Asian community is less affected as they tend to lend from sharia banks and as a community are better at looking after each other so few of them end up in the poverty trap.[/p][/quote]But the banks do lend if the business is viable. The problems occur when businesses as with consumers are borrowing money with little or no chance of paying it back. All that has happened is the lending criteria has now been tightened up rather than a free for all which benefits no one Andy2010

3:24pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Wanna Have says...

Apollo wrote:
Note to parents - if you smoke, drink, subscribe to Sky etc. and your children are hungry you need to spend your money on food.

No British child should every go hungry and be in need of charitable handouts.
I think you will find poverty is measured as a percentile of the median income, it is not a measure of what you spend your money on more an indicator of the disparity between the incomes of UK households.

You can put your Daily Mail down now.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: Note to parents - if you smoke, drink, subscribe to Sky etc. and your children are hungry you need to spend your money on food. No British child should every go hungry and be in need of charitable handouts.[/p][/quote]I think you will find poverty is measured as a percentile of the median income, it is not a measure of what you spend your money on more an indicator of the disparity between the incomes of UK households. You can put your Daily Mail down now. Wanna Have

3:25pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Reality50 says...

Fair points Andy but I certainly know of people with viable business plans being knocked back by banks in my area.Yes banks are playing safe but in my view too safe and unless that mindset changes there will be no more Branson's Alan Sugar's or Peter Jones's.It is far harder to get a business loan nowadays and certainly not one on decent terms.It isn't just banks however and government need to do more by long term thinking on youth apprenticeships-that pay reasonably-and create long term jobs not short term dead end jobs.France recently have opened up millions of good apprenticeships for young people but ever since the 1980's successive governments have let down our young people and those jobless youngsters then get into a benefits cycle and some stay on it for decades.The people cannot change this alone and the economy needs growth and there is no growth so government and the banks and business need a fresh approach with long term vision.
Fair points Andy but I certainly know of people with viable business plans being knocked back by banks in my area.Yes banks are playing safe but in my view too safe and unless that mindset changes there will be no more Branson's Alan Sugar's or Peter Jones's.It is far harder to get a business loan nowadays and certainly not one on decent terms.It isn't just banks however and government need to do more by long term thinking on youth apprenticeships-that pay reasonably-and create long term jobs not short term dead end jobs.France recently have opened up millions of good apprenticeships for young people but ever since the 1980's successive governments have let down our young people and those jobless youngsters then get into a benefits cycle and some stay on it for decades.The people cannot change this alone and the economy needs growth and there is no growth so government and the banks and business need a fresh approach with long term vision. Reality50

4:28pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Yorkshire Lass says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Yorkshire Lass wrote:
Is Councillor Berry for real - he is comparing the people who live in Barkerend and West Bowling (allegedly 37%) to the people (apparently 1%) who live in Ilkley. Perhaps it should be pointed out that the majority of people who live in Ilkley took the trouble to be educated and probably have decent jobs. It would appear that parents of these children in poverty should be educated on how to spend their benefits more wisely, surely that would take the children out of poverty.
Whats the average family size in both these areas. I have a feeling in one area the family will be large whilst in the other they will be small and affordable.
Again, some people are educated to know that free birth control is available in this country - some can be bothered to use the facilities available, others can't. Others say they can't under their religious teachings.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: Is Councillor Berry for real - he is comparing the people who live in Barkerend and West Bowling (allegedly 37%) to the people (apparently 1%) who live in Ilkley. Perhaps it should be pointed out that the majority of people who live in Ilkley took the trouble to be educated and probably have decent jobs. It would appear that parents of these children in poverty should be educated on how to spend their benefits more wisely, surely that would take the children out of poverty.[/p][/quote]Whats the average family size in both these areas. I have a feeling in one area the family will be large whilst in the other they will be small and affordable.[/p][/quote]Again, some people are educated to know that free birth control is available in this country - some can be bothered to use the facilities available, others can't. Others say they can't under their religious teachings. Yorkshire Lass

4:46pm Mon 17 Sep 12

wikidee2012 says...

I cannot believe that Ralph Berry is making this appeal - just look at the picture. This man, for those that do not know, was part of CAFCASS, a court-appointed organisation supposedly supporting children's rights.
Mr Berry, I put it to you:- when you stop deciding whether a Father can see his children or not, and you stop playing 'God', and stop supporting organisations like CAFCASS, and other negative, opinionated organisations who are actively splitting famililes up and causing conflict, then many of these families, desperate for proper support and help, would cope.
I cannot believe that Ralph Berry is making this appeal - just look at the picture. This man, for those that do not know, was part of CAFCASS, a court-appointed organisation supposedly supporting children's rights. Mr Berry, I put it to you:- when you stop deciding whether a Father can see his children or not, and you stop playing 'God', and stop supporting organisations like CAFCASS, and other negative, opinionated organisations who are actively splitting famililes up and causing conflict, then many of these families, desperate for proper support and help, would cope. wikidee2012

5:19pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Apollo says...

pweibj67 wrote:
ps dear all what the none scrounging families who have lost their jobs due to the economic down turn ... the good parents who do there best! some of the comments on here make me sick!
So does inability to string a sentence together.
[quote][p][bold]pweibj67[/bold] wrote: ps dear all what the none scrounging families who have lost their jobs due to the economic down turn ... the good parents who do there best! some of the comments on here make me sick![/p][/quote]So does inability to string a sentence together. Apollo

5:32pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Bone_idle18 says...

Reality50 wrote:
From my recent trips to Bradford it seems the Asian community are doing rather well and the white inner city population are the ones that are struggling.I don't feel it is racist to say that because it is true.Voting Labour or for Respect will only make things worse.The banks need to start lending again so small businesses can launch and thrive and local people can benefit.If the banks won't lend as is what is currently happening then locals cannot get up the wealth ladder as there are few jobs out there at the moment.The Asian community is less affected as they tend to lend from sharia banks and as a community are better at looking after each other so few of them end up in the poverty trap.
Most news reports claim the opposite.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: From my recent trips to Bradford it seems the Asian community are doing rather well and the white inner city population are the ones that are struggling.I don't feel it is racist to say that because it is true.Voting Labour or for Respect will only make things worse.The banks need to start lending again so small businesses can launch and thrive and local people can benefit.If the banks won't lend as is what is currently happening then locals cannot get up the wealth ladder as there are few jobs out there at the moment.The Asian community is less affected as they tend to lend from sharia banks and as a community are better at looking after each other so few of them end up in the poverty trap.[/p][/quote]Most news reports claim the opposite. Bone_idle18

5:39pm Mon 17 Sep 12

justjustice says...

And what does David Cameron have to say about this? Or, as usual, if he ignoring everything north of the M25?!

Isnt it time we voted for a party which can think outside of London?!
And what does David Cameron have to say about this? Or, as usual, if he ignoring everything north of the M25?! Isnt it time we voted for a party which can think outside of London?! justjustice

5:48pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Bone_idle18 says...

BTW, most families struggling with money are actually working families and would almost certainly be better off on Benefits.

Doesn't that seem wrong, dossers are better off than workers?
BTW, most families struggling with money are actually working families and would almost certainly be better off on Benefits. Doesn't that seem wrong, dossers are better off than workers? Bone_idle18

5:55pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Joedavid says...

"more than 37,000 youngsters in Bradford are now living below the breadline."
Sorry but find this hard to believe, agree that there will be some but if so many what are the parents doing with the money they earn or benifets they recieve?
Maybe benifets should be paid in vouchers that can only be exhanged for food.
"more than 37,000 youngsters in Bradford are now living below the breadline." Sorry but find this hard to believe, agree that there will be some but if so many what are the parents doing with the money they earn or benifets they recieve? Maybe benifets should be paid in vouchers that can only be exhanged for food. Joedavid

6:31pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Bone_idle18 says...

justjustice wrote:
And what does David Cameron have to say about this? Or, as usual, if he ignoring everything north of the M25?!

Isnt it time we voted for a party which can think outside of London?!
Maybe a party with connections to Blackburn?
[quote][p][bold]justjustice[/bold] wrote: And what does David Cameron have to say about this? Or, as usual, if he ignoring everything north of the M25?! Isnt it time we voted for a party which can think outside of London?![/p][/quote]Maybe a party with connections to Blackburn? Bone_idle18

7:00pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Summergirl says...

Ive read this article and the comments posted with interest. I am a Professional person who works full time. After I have paid my mortgage, gas, electricity and water bills, Council Tax, house & car insurance and fuel to name a few outgoings, I have £50 a week to pay for food for 2 people. I don't drink and I don't smoke (I never have). I manage my money and I certainly don't starve. I often batch cook and freeze food so I dont waste it. What infuriates me more than anything is that I see through my job many people who live on benefits that have no intention of working. They have more available money than I do and have the latest gadgets and clothes. To read about poverty and children going hungry makes my blood boil. Its about time the 'do gooders' stepped up and realised there is no excuse for children going hungry in this country as long as there are benefits being provided to the parents. When is the government going to cap benefits? I acknowledge you can't hit everyone straight away but you could say from 'x' year we will only pay benefits where a family has 2 children max for example. This would help population control, issues with lack of school places etc etc. Additionally, cars, laptops, mobile phones, etc etc are luxury items and should not be paid for by the taxpayer.
Ive read this article and the comments posted with interest. I am a Professional person who works full time. After I have paid my mortgage, gas, electricity and water bills, Council Tax, house & car insurance and fuel to name a few outgoings, I have £50 a week to pay for food for 2 people. I don't drink and I don't smoke (I never have). I manage my money and I certainly don't starve. I often batch cook and freeze food so I dont waste it. What infuriates me more than anything is that I see through my job many people who live on benefits that have no intention of working. They have more available money than I do and have the latest gadgets and clothes. To read about poverty and children going hungry makes my blood boil. Its about time the 'do gooders' stepped up and realised there is no excuse for children going hungry in this country as long as there are benefits being provided to the parents. When is the government going to cap benefits? I acknowledge you can't hit everyone straight away but you could say from 'x' year we will only pay benefits where a family has 2 children max for example. This would help population control, issues with lack of school places etc etc. Additionally, cars, laptops, mobile phones, etc etc are luxury items and should not be paid for by the taxpayer. Summergirl

7:10pm Mon 17 Sep 12

allinittogether says...

The compassion shown on here is truly breathtaking.
The compassion shown on here is truly breathtaking. allinittogether

8:01pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Albion. says...

Huneybunch wrote:
There is a lot of poverty, but not just in Bradford. It doesnt matter if you work or not, it is still hard to make ends meet, yes you can buy and cook by bulk (I do it every month), but with the price of every day living going up it is hard. But it was stated that the worst hit is Bowling and Barkerend, but I dont see poverty there as they all have flash cars and a lot own thier houses maybe if they got rid of those they would have money for food, so I guess what he was saying is that its the ethnic minority that are living in poverty, but yet when there is a Next sale on its those said people you see buying, and no-one else (well not much) I think he needs to look at other areas as well as to me he isnt looking at Bradford on the hole.
"Bradford on the hole."
Nice one! Sort of like a northern version of Bradford on Avon.
[quote][p][bold]Huneybunch[/bold] wrote: There is a lot of poverty, but not just in Bradford. It doesnt matter if you work or not, it is still hard to make ends meet, yes you can buy and cook by bulk (I do it every month), but with the price of every day living going up it is hard. But it was stated that the worst hit is Bowling and Barkerend, but I dont see poverty there as they all have flash cars and a lot own thier houses maybe if they got rid of those they would have money for food, so I guess what he was saying is that its the ethnic minority that are living in poverty, but yet when there is a Next sale on its those said people you see buying, and no-one else (well not much) I think he needs to look at other areas as well as to me he isnt looking at Bradford on the hole.[/p][/quote]"Bradford on the hole." Nice one! Sort of like a northern version of Bradford on Avon. Albion.

7:05am Tue 18 Sep 12

Brer fox says...

allinittogether wrote:
The compassion shown on here is truly breathtaking.
I am glad you think so.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: The compassion shown on here is truly breathtaking.[/p][/quote]I am glad you think so. Brer fox

7:20am Tue 18 Sep 12

Saltaire Bantam says...

Most of the poverty in Bradford is self inflicted. If you give out more money in benefits then they will have 6 kids instead of 4 and the situation will be just the same if not worse.
Most of the poverty in Bradford is self inflicted. If you give out more money in benefits then they will have 6 kids instead of 4 and the situation will be just the same if not worse. Saltaire Bantam

8:05am Tue 18 Sep 12

allinittogether says...

Saltaire Bantam wrote:
Most of the poverty in Bradford is self inflicted. If you give out more money in benefits then they will have 6 kids instead of 4 and the situation will be just the same if not worse.
It's nothing to do with giving more money in benefits it's about giving food to children who are going hungry.
Regardless of how feckless or otherwise the parents are the facts are kids are going hungry in 21st Century Bradford and the majority on here advocate standing by doing nothing because they believe the parents are undeserving.
[quote][p][bold]Saltaire Bantam[/bold] wrote: Most of the poverty in Bradford is self inflicted. If you give out more money in benefits then they will have 6 kids instead of 4 and the situation will be just the same if not worse.[/p][/quote]It's nothing to do with giving more money in benefits it's about giving food to children who are going hungry. Regardless of how feckless or otherwise the parents are the facts are kids are going hungry in 21st Century Bradford and the majority on here advocate standing by doing nothing because they believe the parents are undeserving. allinittogether

10:10am Tue 18 Sep 12

Saltaire Bantam says...

allinittogether wrote:
Saltaire Bantam wrote: Most of the poverty in Bradford is self inflicted. If you give out more money in benefits then they will have 6 kids instead of 4 and the situation will be just the same if not worse.
It's nothing to do with giving more money in benefits it's about giving food to children who are going hungry. Regardless of how feckless or otherwise the parents are the facts are kids are going hungry in 21st Century Bradford and the majority on here advocate standing by doing nothing because they believe the parents are undeserving.
When word gets around that there is free food going lots of people will pretend they are poor just to get something for free. Then they will send their cousins to do the same. There is so much money available in benefits there shouldn't be any poor people who can't afford food.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltaire Bantam[/bold] wrote: Most of the poverty in Bradford is self inflicted. If you give out more money in benefits then they will have 6 kids instead of 4 and the situation will be just the same if not worse.[/p][/quote]It's nothing to do with giving more money in benefits it's about giving food to children who are going hungry. Regardless of how feckless or otherwise the parents are the facts are kids are going hungry in 21st Century Bradford and the majority on here advocate standing by doing nothing because they believe the parents are undeserving.[/p][/quote]When word gets around that there is free food going lots of people will pretend they are poor just to get something for free. Then they will send their cousins to do the same. There is so much money available in benefits there shouldn't be any poor people who can't afford food. Saltaire Bantam

10:16am Tue 18 Sep 12

dennisnilsen says...

Reality50 wrote:
You never see a homeless Muslim in Bradford.The tramps and drunks and single parent families on the breadline tend to be white.It is the white working class/underclass that are taking the brunt of this.As for BMWs the ones I see in Bradford tend to be driven by drug dealers from a certain community from the sub-continent.
BOO HOO some Muslims have got more money than you and you cannot stand it. Well do you know something, plenty have more money than me, and good on them.
I am glad you've taken time to meet every single homeless person in Bradford, well you must have right? to know that none are Muslim.
Everything is the 'brown man's fault' isn't it. You never got a break did you? Aw, my heart bleeds for you, it must be awful living with so much hate towards other races. You want to watch your heart. They say bigots die young. Well they don't really, I just made that up, a bit like you did with your post.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: You never see a homeless Muslim in Bradford.The tramps and drunks and single parent families on the breadline tend to be white.It is the white working class/underclass that are taking the brunt of this.As for BMWs the ones I see in Bradford tend to be driven by drug dealers from a certain community from the sub-continent.[/p][/quote]BOO HOO some Muslims have got more money than you and you cannot stand it. Well do you know something, plenty have more money than me, and good on them. I am glad you've taken time to meet every single homeless person in Bradford, well you must have right? to know that none are Muslim. Everything is the 'brown man's fault' isn't it. You never got a break did you? Aw, my heart bleeds for you, it must be awful living with so much hate towards other races. You want to watch your heart. They say bigots die young. Well they don't really, I just made that up, a bit like you did with your post. dennisnilsen

10:36am Tue 18 Sep 12

Bone_idle18 says...

dennisnilsen wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
You never see a homeless Muslim in Bradford.The tramps and drunks and single parent families on the breadline tend to be white.It is the white working class/underclass that are taking the brunt of this.As for BMWs the ones I see in Bradford tend to be driven by drug dealers from a certain community from the sub-continent.
BOO HOO some Muslims have got more money than you and you cannot stand it. Well do you know something, plenty have more money than me, and good on them.
I am glad you've taken time to meet every single homeless person in Bradford, well you must have right? to know that none are Muslim.
Everything is the 'brown man's fault' isn't it. You never got a break did you? Aw, my heart bleeds for you, it must be awful living with so much hate towards other races. You want to watch your heart. They say bigots die young. Well they don't really, I just made that up, a bit like you did with your post.
You're the solution mate, you've more than enough chips on your shoulder to feed the entire population of Bradford :)
[quote][p][bold]dennisnilsen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: You never see a homeless Muslim in Bradford.The tramps and drunks and single parent families on the breadline tend to be white.It is the white working class/underclass that are taking the brunt of this.As for BMWs the ones I see in Bradford tend to be driven by drug dealers from a certain community from the sub-continent.[/p][/quote]BOO HOO some Muslims have got more money than you and you cannot stand it. Well do you know something, plenty have more money than me, and good on them. I am glad you've taken time to meet every single homeless person in Bradford, well you must have right? to know that none are Muslim. Everything is the 'brown man's fault' isn't it. You never got a break did you? Aw, my heart bleeds for you, it must be awful living with so much hate towards other races. You want to watch your heart. They say bigots die young. Well they don't really, I just made that up, a bit like you did with your post.[/p][/quote]You're the solution mate, you've more than enough chips on your shoulder to feed the entire population of Bradford :) Bone_idle18

10:42am Tue 18 Sep 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Serious question for Councillor Ralph Berry.

If poverty in the City is so bad due to a lack of jobs, why are the council trying to push through thousands of more houses? Surely that would add to the problem as if there isn't enough jobs as it is, how will more people in the same area help the matter?
Serious question for Councillor Ralph Berry. If poverty in the City is so bad due to a lack of jobs, why are the council trying to push through thousands of more houses? Surely that would add to the problem as if there isn't enough jobs as it is, how will more people in the same area help the matter? Thee Voice of Reason

12:26pm Tue 18 Sep 12

allinittogether says...

Saltaire Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Saltaire Bantam wrote: Most of the poverty in Bradford is self inflicted. If you give out more money in benefits then they will have 6 kids instead of 4 and the situation will be just the same if not worse.
It's nothing to do with giving more money in benefits it's about giving food to children who are going hungry. Regardless of how feckless or otherwise the parents are the facts are kids are going hungry in 21st Century Bradford and the majority on here advocate standing by doing nothing because they believe the parents are undeserving.
When word gets around that there is free food going lots of people will pretend they are poor just to get something for free. Then they will send their cousins to do the same. There is so much money available in benefits there shouldn't be any poor people who can't afford food.
Even though there shouldn't be any poor people who can't afford food the fact is there ARE kids who are going hungry and you would deprive them of this charity just because you see it at getting summat for nowt.
With that logic there would be no charity or welfare state.
[quote][p][bold]Saltaire Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltaire Bantam[/bold] wrote: Most of the poverty in Bradford is self inflicted. If you give out more money in benefits then they will have 6 kids instead of 4 and the situation will be just the same if not worse.[/p][/quote]It's nothing to do with giving more money in benefits it's about giving food to children who are going hungry. Regardless of how feckless or otherwise the parents are the facts are kids are going hungry in 21st Century Bradford and the majority on here advocate standing by doing nothing because they believe the parents are undeserving.[/p][/quote]When word gets around that there is free food going lots of people will pretend they are poor just to get something for free. Then they will send their cousins to do the same. There is so much money available in benefits there shouldn't be any poor people who can't afford food.[/p][/quote]Even though there shouldn't be any poor people who can't afford food the fact is there ARE kids who are going hungry and you would deprive them of this charity just because you see it at getting summat for nowt. With that logic there would be no charity or welfare state. allinittogether

3:48pm Tue 18 Sep 12

Nabwood says...

One word for those that can't feed their children on benefit money: Lidl.
One word for those that can't feed their children on benefit money: Lidl. Nabwood

9:00am Wed 19 Sep 12

count_cillla says...

Reality50 wrote:
I take it you mugs voted for Galloway's lot then? lol. Bradford is a cesspit and immigration is a key reason why.
So if immigration is the reason.... then why is there the same problem in Ilkley... not really a hotbed of immigrants is it ?

How many of the people on these posts have actually asked the people taking the food handouts their reasons for doing so, instead of making vile prejudiced views.
There must be a lot of athiests commenting on the above.... as there doesnt seem to be any compassion shown.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: I take it you mugs voted for Galloway's lot then? lol. Bradford is a cesspit and immigration is a key reason why.[/p][/quote]So if immigration is the reason.... then why is there the same problem in Ilkley... not really a hotbed of immigrants is it ? How many of the people on these posts have actually asked the people taking the food handouts their reasons for doing so, instead of making vile prejudiced views. There must be a lot of athiests commenting on the above.... as there doesnt seem to be any compassion shown. count_cillla

11:17am Wed 19 Sep 12

Albion. says...

count_cillla wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
I take it you mugs voted for Galloway's lot then? lol. Bradford is a cesspit and immigration is a key reason why.
So if immigration is the reason.... then why is there the same problem in Ilkley... not really a hotbed of immigrants is it ?

How many of the people on these posts have actually asked the people taking the food handouts their reasons for doing so, instead of making vile prejudiced views.
There must be a lot of athiests commenting on the above.... as there doesnt seem to be any compassion shown.
There isn't a problem in Ilkley.
[quote][p][bold]count_cillla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: I take it you mugs voted for Galloway's lot then? lol. Bradford is a cesspit and immigration is a key reason why.[/p][/quote]So if immigration is the reason.... then why is there the same problem in Ilkley... not really a hotbed of immigrants is it ? How many of the people on these posts have actually asked the people taking the food handouts their reasons for doing so, instead of making vile prejudiced views. There must be a lot of athiests commenting on the above.... as there doesnt seem to be any compassion shown.[/p][/quote]There isn't a problem in Ilkley. Albion.

12:58pm Wed 19 Sep 12

allinittogether says...

count_cillla wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
I take it you mugs voted for Galloway's lot then? lol. Bradford is a cesspit and immigration is a key reason why.
So if immigration is the reason.... then why is there the same problem in Ilkley... not really a hotbed of immigrants is it ?

How many of the people on these posts have actually asked the people taking the food handouts their reasons for doing so, instead of making vile prejudiced views.
There must be a lot of athiests commenting on the above.... as there doesnt seem to be any compassion shown.
I was agreeing with you until the ridiculous comment about atheists.
What evidence have you got to prove atheists are less compassionate than the religious? About the same as the evidence of the existence of a god; none!
[quote][p][bold]count_cillla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: I take it you mugs voted for Galloway's lot then? lol. Bradford is a cesspit and immigration is a key reason why.[/p][/quote]So if immigration is the reason.... then why is there the same problem in Ilkley... not really a hotbed of immigrants is it ? How many of the people on these posts have actually asked the people taking the food handouts their reasons for doing so, instead of making vile prejudiced views. There must be a lot of athiests commenting on the above.... as there doesnt seem to be any compassion shown.[/p][/quote]I was agreeing with you until the ridiculous comment about atheists. What evidence have you got to prove atheists are less compassionate than the religious? About the same as the evidence of the existence of a god; none! allinittogether

3:29pm Wed 19 Sep 12

The Man With No Name says...

allinittogether wrote:
count_cillla wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
I take it you mugs voted for Galloway's lot then? lol. Bradford is a cesspit and immigration is a key reason why.
So if immigration is the reason.... then why is there the same problem in Ilkley... not really a hotbed of immigrants is it ?

How many of the people on these posts have actually asked the people taking the food handouts their reasons for doing so, instead of making vile prejudiced views.
There must be a lot of athiests commenting on the above.... as there doesnt seem to be any compassion shown.
I was agreeing with you until the ridiculous comment about atheists.
What evidence have you got to prove atheists are less compassionate than the religious? About the same as the evidence of the existence of a god; none!
There IS evidence for the existence of God, if one is perceptive or intelligent enough to see it. The existence of God was proven philosophically by Descartes; " I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I AM, therefore God is".

And, as all Freemasons know, the existence of Geometry, which is perfect and can be proven, also proves the existence of God. Geometry represents the Mind of God. Think about it.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]count_cillla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: I take it you mugs voted for Galloway's lot then? lol. Bradford is a cesspit and immigration is a key reason why.[/p][/quote]So if immigration is the reason.... then why is there the same problem in Ilkley... not really a hotbed of immigrants is it ? How many of the people on these posts have actually asked the people taking the food handouts their reasons for doing so, instead of making vile prejudiced views. There must be a lot of athiests commenting on the above.... as there doesnt seem to be any compassion shown.[/p][/quote]I was agreeing with you until the ridiculous comment about atheists. What evidence have you got to prove atheists are less compassionate than the religious? About the same as the evidence of the existence of a god; none![/p][/quote]There IS evidence for the existence of God, if one is perceptive or intelligent enough to see it. The existence of God was proven philosophically by Descartes; " I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I AM, therefore God is". And, as all Freemasons know, the existence of Geometry, which is perfect and can be proven, also proves the existence of God. Geometry represents the Mind of God. Think about it. The Man With No Name

3:31pm Wed 19 Sep 12

The Man With No Name says...

Reality50 wrote:
You never see a homeless Muslim in Bradford.The tramps and drunks and single parent families on the breadline tend to be white.It is the white working class/underclass that are taking the brunt of this.As for BMWs the ones I see in Bradford tend to be driven by drug dealers from a certain community from the sub-continent.
You really are a very nasty little racist git aren't you?
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: You never see a homeless Muslim in Bradford.The tramps and drunks and single parent families on the breadline tend to be white.It is the white working class/underclass that are taking the brunt of this.As for BMWs the ones I see in Bradford tend to be driven by drug dealers from a certain community from the sub-continent.[/p][/quote]You really are a very nasty little racist git aren't you? The Man With No Name

3:36pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Albion. says...

The Man With No Name wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
count_cillla wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
I take it you mugs voted for Galloway's lot then? lol. Bradford is a cesspit and immigration is a key reason why.
So if immigration is the reason.... then why is there the same problem in Ilkley... not really a hotbed of immigrants is it ?

How many of the people on these posts have actually asked the people taking the food handouts their reasons for doing so, instead of making vile prejudiced views.
There must be a lot of athiests commenting on the above.... as there doesnt seem to be any compassion shown.
I was agreeing with you until the ridiculous comment about atheists.
What evidence have you got to prove atheists are less compassionate than the religious? About the same as the evidence of the existence of a god; none!
There IS evidence for the existence of God, if one is perceptive or intelligent enough to see it. The existence of God was proven philosophically by Descartes; " I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I AM, therefore God is".

And, as all Freemasons know, the existence of Geometry, which is perfect and can be proven, also proves the existence of God. Geometry represents the Mind of God. Think about it.
Nonsense! That is just a theory.
[quote][p][bold]The Man With No Name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]count_cillla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: I take it you mugs voted for Galloway's lot then? lol. Bradford is a cesspit and immigration is a key reason why.[/p][/quote]So if immigration is the reason.... then why is there the same problem in Ilkley... not really a hotbed of immigrants is it ? How many of the people on these posts have actually asked the people taking the food handouts their reasons for doing so, instead of making vile prejudiced views. There must be a lot of athiests commenting on the above.... as there doesnt seem to be any compassion shown.[/p][/quote]I was agreeing with you until the ridiculous comment about atheists. What evidence have you got to prove atheists are less compassionate than the religious? About the same as the evidence of the existence of a god; none![/p][/quote]There IS evidence for the existence of God, if one is perceptive or intelligent enough to see it. The existence of God was proven philosophically by Descartes; " I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I AM, therefore God is". And, as all Freemasons know, the existence of Geometry, which is perfect and can be proven, also proves the existence of God. Geometry represents the Mind of God. Think about it.[/p][/quote]Nonsense! That is just a theory. Albion.

3:38pm Wed 19 Sep 12

The Man With No Name says...

Albion. wrote:
The Man With No Name wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
count_cillla wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
I take it you mugs voted for Galloway's lot then? lol. Bradford is a cesspit and immigration is a key reason why.
So if immigration is the reason.... then why is there the same problem in Ilkley... not really a hotbed of immigrants is it ?

How many of the people on these posts have actually asked the people taking the food handouts their reasons for doing so, instead of making vile prejudiced views.
There must be a lot of athiests commenting on the above.... as there doesnt seem to be any compassion shown.
I was agreeing with you until the ridiculous comment about atheists.
What evidence have you got to prove atheists are less compassionate than the religious? About the same as the evidence of the existence of a god; none!
There IS evidence for the existence of God, if one is perceptive or intelligent enough to see it. The existence of God was proven philosophically by Descartes; " I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I AM, therefore God is".

And, as all Freemasons know, the existence of Geometry, which is perfect and can be proven, also proves the existence of God. Geometry represents the Mind of God. Think about it.
Nonsense! That is just a theory.
Not a theory, it is solid proof! It's just that you can't comprehend it.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Man With No Name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]count_cillla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: I take it you mugs voted for Galloway's lot then? lol. Bradford is a cesspit and immigration is a key reason why.[/p][/quote]So if immigration is the reason.... then why is there the same problem in Ilkley... not really a hotbed of immigrants is it ? How many of the people on these posts have actually asked the people taking the food handouts their reasons for doing so, instead of making vile prejudiced views. There must be a lot of athiests commenting on the above.... as there doesnt seem to be any compassion shown.[/p][/quote]I was agreeing with you until the ridiculous comment about atheists. What evidence have you got to prove atheists are less compassionate than the religious? About the same as the evidence of the existence of a god; none![/p][/quote]There IS evidence for the existence of God, if one is perceptive or intelligent enough to see it. The existence of God was proven philosophically by Descartes; " I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I AM, therefore God is". And, as all Freemasons know, the existence of Geometry, which is perfect and can be proven, also proves the existence of God. Geometry represents the Mind of God. Think about it.[/p][/quote]Nonsense! That is just a theory.[/p][/quote]Not a theory, it is solid proof! It's just that you can't comprehend it. The Man With No Name

3:40pm Wed 19 Sep 12

The Man With No Name says...

I know times are hard, but please dig deep and donate generously to feed the starving children of our city. Sell your possessions, give the money to the poor, and follow Christ.
I know times are hard, but please dig deep and donate generously to feed the starving children of our city. Sell your possessions, give the money to the poor, and follow Christ. The Man With No Name

3:45pm Wed 19 Sep 12

The Man With No Name says...

thelastmanstanding wrote:
Note to British citizens, if you vote for Labour, CONservatice, Lib Dem, Respect or anybody further to the left of UKIP, this is what you are voting for.
What nonsense! We all as a nation need to move much further to the Left if we are to overcome these problems, that are caused by inequality and greed. UKIP are just a bunch of right-wing moaning minnies who want to avoid paying any tax.
[quote][p][bold]thelastmanstanding[/bold] wrote: Note to British citizens, if you vote for Labour, CONservatice, Lib Dem, Respect or anybody further to the left of UKIP, this is what you are voting for.[/p][/quote]What nonsense! We all as a nation need to move much further to the Left if we are to overcome these problems, that are caused by inequality and greed. UKIP are just a bunch of right-wing moaning minnies who want to avoid paying any tax. The Man With No Name

3:46pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Albion. says...

http://www.sparknote
s.com/philosophy/pri
nciples/section4.rht
ml

It's all down to who and what you choose to believe.
http://www.sparknote s.com/philosophy/pri nciples/section4.rht ml It's all down to who and what you choose to believe. Albion.

3:46pm Wed 19 Sep 12

The Man With No Name says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
The biggest reason for child poverty is people having children they can not afford.
It is selfish and irresponsible to have children you can't afford to feed and totally unfair to the children born into such a family.
Are there no workhouses? are there no prisons?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: The biggest reason for child poverty is people having children they can not afford. It is selfish and irresponsible to have children you can't afford to feed and totally unfair to the children born into such a family.[/p][/quote]Are there no workhouses? are there no prisons? The Man With No Name

4:02pm Wed 19 Sep 12

The Man With No Name says...

Albion. wrote:
http://www.sparknote

s.com/philosophy/pri

nciples/section4.rht

ml

It's all down to who and what you choose to believe.
No it's not. Proof is proof. Belief doesn't come into it. Intelligence is required, however.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: http://www.sparknote s.com/philosophy/pri nciples/section4.rht ml It's all down to who and what you choose to believe.[/p][/quote]No it's not. Proof is proof. Belief doesn't come into it. Intelligence is required, however. The Man With No Name

4:07pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Albion. says...

The Man With No Name wrote:
Albion. wrote:
http://www.sparknote


s.com/philosophy/pri


nciples/section4.rht


ml

It's all down to who and what you choose to believe.
No it's not. Proof is proof. Belief doesn't come into it. Intelligence is required, however.
I will remind you about intelligence on the 22nd of December (remember that?).
Anyway I'm off for a walk, to see the Cottingley fairies! :-)
[quote][p][bold]The Man With No Name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: http://www.sparknote s.com/philosophy/pri nciples/section4.rht ml It's all down to who and what you choose to believe.[/p][/quote]No it's not. Proof is proof. Belief doesn't come into it. Intelligence is required, however.[/p][/quote]I will remind you about intelligence on the 22nd of December (remember that?). Anyway I'm off for a walk, to see the Cottingley fairies! :-) Albion.

4:10pm Wed 19 Sep 12

The Man With No Name says...

Reality50 wrote:
I take it you mugs voted for Galloway's lot then? lol. Bradford is a cesspit and immigration is a key reason why.
On the contrary, it is racism, ignorance, fear, greed, inequality and selfishness that is the problem, not only in Bradford, but in the world. People such as yourself are to blame. Take a good look at yourself and your vindictive, jealous sniping, be honest with yourself, you and your ilk (ie. right-wing neo-nazis) are a feckin disgrace to humanity.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: I take it you mugs voted for Galloway's lot then? lol. Bradford is a cesspit and immigration is a key reason why.[/p][/quote]On the contrary, it is racism, ignorance, fear, greed, inequality and selfishness that is the problem, not only in Bradford, but in the world. People such as yourself are to blame. Take a good look at yourself and your vindictive, jealous sniping, be honest with yourself, you and your ilk (ie. right-wing neo-nazis) are a feckin disgrace to humanity. The Man With No Name

4:11pm Wed 19 Sep 12

The Man With No Name says...

Albion. wrote:
The Man With No Name wrote:
Albion. wrote:
http://www.sparknote



s.com/philosophy/pri



nciples/section4.rht



ml

It's all down to who and what you choose to believe.
No it's not. Proof is proof. Belief doesn't come into it. Intelligence is required, however.
I will remind you about intelligence on the 22nd of December (remember that?).
Anyway I'm off for a walk, to see the Cottingley fairies! :-)
Do keep us informed and let us know if you see any.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Man With No Name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: http://www.sparknote s.com/philosophy/pri nciples/section4.rht ml It's all down to who and what you choose to believe.[/p][/quote]No it's not. Proof is proof. Belief doesn't come into it. Intelligence is required, however.[/p][/quote]I will remind you about intelligence on the 22nd of December (remember that?). Anyway I'm off for a walk, to see the Cottingley fairies! :-)[/p][/quote]Do keep us informed and let us know if you see any. The Man With No Name

4:13pm Wed 19 Sep 12

The Man With No Name says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
Why does Mr Berry insinuate that this poverty (it really should have a different name, as it's completely different to the real poverty in Asia & Africa) has only happened since the ConDems came to power.
These polices that make the 'wealthy wealthier' weren't replaced by his Labour government in 13 years and presumably existed when he set up his board 3 years ago.
Poverty, and that is what it is, has been greatly exacerbated since the ConDems seized power.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: Why does Mr Berry insinuate that this poverty (it really should have a different name, as it's completely different to the real poverty in Asia & Africa) has only happened since the ConDems came to power. These polices that make the 'wealthy wealthier' weren't replaced by his Labour government in 13 years and presumably existed when he set up his board 3 years ago.[/p][/quote]Poverty, and that is what it is, has been greatly exacerbated since the ConDems seized power. The Man With No Name

4:15pm Wed 19 Sep 12

The Man With No Name says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
pellethead wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
pellethead wrote:
PeterBooth wrote: As above comments, it would be interested to know how many of these poverty stricken households have all the latest electronic gadgetry, big screen TV's, kids with mobiles etc. I will always remember something on the TV news of a similiar topic, father interviewed saying he often went to bed hungry so that there was enough food for his kids, then camera shots of his lounge showing hundreds of pounds of unecessary gadgets. No hope I fear, the country has had it !! Too late.
Perhaps he bought these items before he ended up on benefits.
Perhaps but the fact that he was going to bed hungry when their were hundreds of pounds worth of gadgets down stairs speaks volumes. He could sell them and buy loads of food with the proceeds but he would rather go hungry than live without his gadgets, the fool.
Perhaps people like him should sell all there worldly goods and when they have nothing left to sell perhaps they ought to sent to the workhouse or better still left to die.We live in 2012 not 1812.
I don't think thats necessary. He just needs to get his priorities in order. Or he could just put the begging bowl away and get a job and feed himself rather that expecting the state to feed him. Crazy idea I know.
Good jobs that pay a decent living wage are very hard to come by. It sounds like you live in a dreamworld. It is the State's *responsibility* to feed, clothe and house the poor.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pellethead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pellethead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PeterBooth[/bold] wrote: As above comments, it would be interested to know how many of these poverty stricken households have all the latest electronic gadgetry, big screen TV's, kids with mobiles etc. I will always remember something on the TV news of a similiar topic, father interviewed saying he often went to bed hungry so that there was enough food for his kids, then camera shots of his lounge showing hundreds of pounds of unecessary gadgets. No hope I fear, the country has had it !! Too late.[/p][/quote]Perhaps he bought these items before he ended up on benefits.[/p][/quote]Perhaps but the fact that he was going to bed hungry when their were hundreds of pounds worth of gadgets down stairs speaks volumes. He could sell them and buy loads of food with the proceeds but he would rather go hungry than live without his gadgets, the fool.[/p][/quote]Perhaps people like him should sell all there worldly goods and when they have nothing left to sell perhaps they ought to sent to the workhouse or better still left to die.We live in 2012 not 1812.[/p][/quote]I don't think thats necessary. He just needs to get his priorities in order. Or he could just put the begging bowl away and get a job and feed himself rather that expecting the state to feed him. Crazy idea I know.[/p][/quote]Good jobs that pay a decent living wage are very hard to come by. It sounds like you live in a dreamworld. It is the State's *responsibility* to feed, clothe and house the poor. The Man With No Name

5:00pm Thu 20 Sep 12

The Man With No Name says...

More Ham wrote:
Eat your children! Problem solved, the end, Ed.
Eat rich people's children, problem solved!
[quote][p][bold]More Ham[/bold] wrote: Eat your children! Problem solved, the end, Ed.[/p][/quote]Eat rich people's children, problem solved! The Man With No Name

12:05am Fri 21 Sep 12

i hate bradford says...

Inner city poverty in Bradford is a lot to do with sending money abroad for family instead of using it to feed and clothe their children. We have a large population of people living in Bradford who are actually choosing to not feed their children deliberately by sending money out of the country to family in their homelands. Until this culture stops then obviously they will continue to live in poverty. This is not an attack on any race but a fact which is very well known and documented. What I don't understand is why would someone not feed their children here and put their money into their lives here rather than sending it abroad. This is why many in those areas are suffering and also people on minimum wages who have had a drastic cut in hours to make way for the free workers from the jobcentre. This practice is actually helping to put working families in poverty.
Inner city poverty in Bradford is a lot to do with sending money abroad for family instead of using it to feed and clothe their children. We have a large population of people living in Bradford who are actually choosing to not feed their children deliberately by sending money out of the country to family in their homelands. Until this culture stops then obviously they will continue to live in poverty. This is not an attack on any race but a fact which is very well known and documented. What I don't understand is why would someone not feed their children here and put their money into their lives here rather than sending it abroad. This is why many in those areas are suffering and also people on minimum wages who have had a drastic cut in hours to make way for the free workers from the jobcentre. This practice is actually helping to put working families in poverty. i hate bradford

12:05am Fri 21 Sep 12

i hate bradford says...

Inner city poverty in Bradford is a lot to do with sending money abroad for family instead of using it to feed and clothe their children. We have a large population of people living in Bradford who are actually choosing to not feed their children deliberately by sending money out of the country to family in their homelands. Until this culture stops then obviously they will continue to live in poverty. This is not an attack on any race but a fact which is very well known and documented. What I don't understand is why would someone not feed their children here and put their money into their lives here rather than sending it abroad. This is why many in those areas are suffering and also people on minimum wages who have had a drastic cut in hours to make way for the free workers from the jobcentre. This practice is actually helping to put working families in poverty.
Inner city poverty in Bradford is a lot to do with sending money abroad for family instead of using it to feed and clothe their children. We have a large population of people living in Bradford who are actually choosing to not feed their children deliberately by sending money out of the country to family in their homelands. Until this culture stops then obviously they will continue to live in poverty. This is not an attack on any race but a fact which is very well known and documented. What I don't understand is why would someone not feed their children here and put their money into their lives here rather than sending it abroad. This is why many in those areas are suffering and also people on minimum wages who have had a drastic cut in hours to make way for the free workers from the jobcentre. This practice is actually helping to put working families in poverty. i hate bradford

12:06am Fri 21 Sep 12

i hate bradford says...

Inner city poverty in Bradford is a lot to do with sending money abroad for family instead of using it to feed and clothe their children. We have a large population of people living in Bradford who are actually choosing to not feed their children deliberately by sending money out of the country to family in their homelands. Until this culture stops then obviously they will continue to live in poverty. This is not an attack on any race but a fact which is very well known and documented. What I don't understand is why would someone not feed their children here and put their money into their lives here rather than sending it abroad. This is why many in those areas are suffering and also people on minimum wages who have had a drastic cut in hours to make way for the free workers from the jobcentre. This practice is actually helping to put working families in poverty.
Inner city poverty in Bradford is a lot to do with sending money abroad for family instead of using it to feed and clothe their children. We have a large population of people living in Bradford who are actually choosing to not feed their children deliberately by sending money out of the country to family in their homelands. Until this culture stops then obviously they will continue to live in poverty. This is not an attack on any race but a fact which is very well known and documented. What I don't understand is why would someone not feed their children here and put their money into their lives here rather than sending it abroad. This is why many in those areas are suffering and also people on minimum wages who have had a drastic cut in hours to make way for the free workers from the jobcentre. This practice is actually helping to put working families in poverty. i hate bradford

1:56am Sat 22 Sep 12

ont-red says...

The Man With No Name wrote:
More Ham wrote: Eat your children! Problem solved, the end, Ed.
Eat rich people's children, problem solved!
Soooooo funny! You lot make me laugh!
[quote][p][bold]The Man With No Name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]More Ham[/bold] wrote: Eat your children! Problem solved, the end, Ed.[/p][/quote]Eat rich people's children, problem solved![/p][/quote]Soooooo funny! You lot make me laugh! ont-red

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