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Businessmen unveil ambitious plan for Bradford rail viaduct


Ambitious £100 million proposals for a cross-rail link through Bradford to put the city back on the map and generate economic growth have been unveiled by a group of businessmen.

The proposals would replace the rail Interchange and Forster Square stations with a new glass-sided four-track central station on a new viaduct across Leeds Road providing views of the Cathedral quarter and linking into the planned Westfield retail mall.

Movers behind the plan include two prominent businessmen Andrew Mason and John Pennington, who is also a Bradford councillor.

They say that linking less than one mile of rail track to join up the two halves of the city would put Bradford at the heart of West Yorkshire’s rail network, including links to a proposed new rail route to Leeds-Bradford International Airport, and enable the district to benefit from a predicted surge in rail travel.

The plan would take about five years to complete and they will lobby local and central government to back it as part of an integrated transport strategy.

The campaigners believe the development would encourage new investment and boost job creation, including attracting civil service jobs from London because of cheaper office space in Bradford.

The cross-rail link would run from the Interchange under Bridge Street, cross the site of the former Exchange Station in a 38ft wide strip passing between the Law Courts and Vicar Lane.

It would sweep across Hall Ings at the bottom of Leeds Road on an arched viaduct, navigate Well Street before descending near St. Peter’s House, Forster Square and Lower Cheapside. Gradually the lines would reach ground level to the east of the present Forster Square station and join the existing Shipley line.

The redundant lines to Forster Square would be retained as sidings for freight traffic which is expected to grow. The campaigners say the new station would become ‘Bradford International’ as part of the national railway network and extending to Europe.

It will also incorporate the already planned new magistrates’ Court centre in Exchange Square.

Andrew Mason, managing director of Shipley-based Newmason Properties and chairman of the Bradford Property Forum, said: “The case for a cross-rail link between the two existing stations is overwhelming. Bradford must be on the national railway network rather than two cul-de-sacs.

“One central station will provide a new 24-hour gateway to the city centre and join a district divided by two halves where one cannot reach the other without re-direction through Leeds – and all because we are one mile of track short.”

The cross-rail group has involved architects and civil engineers in drawing up the technical details of the plan.

They have been assured that the route is capable of carrying ‘heavy rail’ and the drop between the Interchange and Foster Square would not be an issue.

They say that 80 per cent of the land needed was already in public ownership. The central station development would mean using some of the land earmarked for the Westfield shopping site and the group has been speaking with the Australian developers whose plans are on hold.

They believe that when the Westfield development does proceed, it would be scaled down to meet changed trends and economic conditions.

John Pennington, who used to own Bradford’s Midland Hotel and Pennington’s night club in the city, said: “With the fastest growing population in the UK we should re-visit our ‘model city’ with the old blinkers removed. In a local economy where entrepreneurship remains, where the youth need hope and jobs, we must provide the tools to enable success.

“Bradford is at the bottom of its cycle and worth a punt by investors, but only if the infrastructure allows people to come and go cheaply, efficiently and conveniently.

“We are the sixth largest city in England yet have a dead end motorway at the M606, two dead end stations and an inner ring road that finishes at a T-junction. We must recover from a cul-de-sac of decline.”

The group also includes Paul Mackie, chairman of Bradford quantity surveyors RPP Ltd, and Roger Owen, former property director of Morrisons supermarkets.

The idea has also won support from Gerry Sutcliffe, MP for Bradford South, and Shipley MP Philip Davies.

WHY WOULD THE CROSS-RAIL LINK BE NEEDED?

Why the cross-rail group says the time is right for the development. * Rail passenger journeys in the district have risen by 60 per cent in the past decade and are forecast to grow by another 45 per cent by 2050. * Network Rail will spend £530m for a 40 per cent increase in trains in the north with 700 extra services. * This will carry 3.5 million extra passengers and provide better services from Leeds and Sheffield to the north east and north west, but only pay ‘lip service’ to Bradford. * Cross-rail would make Bradford an attractive proposition. * It would be greener by encouraging more rail travel with shorter journey times and cheaper travel. * It would provide an uninterrupted circular route from Bradford to Shipley, Leeds, Wakefield, and Halifax in both directions and link Ilkley and Skipton to Halifax and Huddersfield. * It would provide direct access to Transpennine services, including Manchester Airport, Harrogate and York and national routes to Scotland and London. * With improvements at Baildon station it would link into the proposed new Leeds-Bradford Airport rail link.

Comments(58)

smallboy says...
10:40am Fri 21 May 10

another scheme dream on

holden caulfield says...
10:42am Fri 21 May 10

this is far too sensible a suggestion to ever get any support. Everyone knows that what Bradford really needs is a stagnant pond by City Hall.
What's more this suggestion comes from people associated with Bradford rather than overpaid consultants who never seen the place, ridiculous! How can this be given any credence?

Apollo says...
10:45am Fri 21 May 10

Pie in the sky like so many of the daft plans we see for Bradford. Why does the T&A publish such rubbish?

jimmyblue says...
10:49am Fri 21 May 10

Its about Time something on this scale was done.
Hope the group manage to push this through and hopefully when the westfield shopping mall is done this would really bring Bradford to the forefront again.

Lets just hope westfield do decide to come back and finish what they have started, even if its a scaled down project.

These projects will then influence others to come back to bradford and set up businesses.

Lets face it apart from the Kirkgate centre what else is there in bradford.

The the train line will then also link the foster square retail park to the city centre. Free travel between the two should be provided.
Keep pushing Guys

enviroMENTAL says...
10:53am Fri 21 May 10

It's a wonderful idea but it is difficult to believe it will happen given all that has gone before.

Exbradfordian says...
11:05am Fri 21 May 10

"including attracting civil service jobs from London" - what planet do they live on. Do they live in a bubble - the tories have just announced massive cuts in the civil service - there won't be any jobs to relocate.

I don't want to appear negative but I can't believe this will ever come to fruition. If it does by a miracle, then there should be assurances that the local businesses/communtie
s benefit. There should be quota of jobs that have to go to the Bradford unemployed.

MarkPullen says...
11:52am Fri 21 May 10

pretty pictures (pretty expensive that is!)

peedoffratepayer says...
11:57am Fri 21 May 10

Sounds a great idea, but another non-starter - lets hope the lunatics running BMDC don't latch onto it and organise another over-priced waste of money with a "feasability" study!!

Mekon says...
11:59am Fri 21 May 10

YES. Everyone with any power should get behind this.

A: Its been needed for a long time
B: It looks bloody great.

If it was designed as futuristic as possible it would be a major attraction to the area.

Rambo says...
12:12pm Fri 21 May 10

"They believe that when the Westfield development does proceed, it would be scaled down to meet changed trends and economic conditions"
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(Just like the Odsal Superdome....)
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Thats the biggest quote of the whole article. So if anything ever happens with Broadway, its most likely going to be a pale shadow of what was originally envisioned?

albion says...
12:17pm Fri 21 May 10

Rambo wrote:
"They believe that when the Westfield development does proceed, it would be scaled down to meet changed trends and economic conditions"
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(Just like the Odsal Superdome....)
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Thats the biggest quote of the whole article. So if anything ever happens with Broadway, its most likely going to be a pale shadow of what was originally envisioned?
It has already been scaled down two or three times from the original plan.

Rambo says...
12:27pm Fri 21 May 10

Its going to end up being no bigger than that one in Bingley at this rate. Probably going to end up comprising of a Greggs, Co-op, mobile phone unlocking shop and a Ladbrokes. And of course, a poundshop.
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This station development will probably end up like 90% of the citys plans. Dead in the water. Who knows, they might actually have done something by 2020.

Moon on a stick says...
12:39pm Fri 21 May 10

This is a great idea to boost the Bradford economy especially given how car unfriendly the centre is, investors are being kept away.
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Unfortunately I don't think the Council can see beyond token gestures of public realm enhancement which is going to be fruitless without proper infrastructure.

OdsalMan says...
12:39pm Fri 21 May 10

the most sensible suggestion made for years. A more valuable proposition that a mirrored pool. more local stations around the region at low moor ect to make it easier to work in the centre

Bradford council should work with Yorkshire forward to make it happen NOW not 5 years time.

HB28 says...
12:44pm Fri 21 May 10

I think pigs have more chance of flying - but it is an ambitious scheme that would do well if it ever gets made. Bradford is in need of an upgrade.

Moon on a stick says...
12:54pm Fri 21 May 10

I must confess I'm waiting for the day when we get some artist impressions (no doubt at great cost) for a Virgin Galatic space port in the centre, hell it's as much chance as succeeding as 90% of the other failed ideas that have been put forward in the last few decades.
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It's lunancy having 2 stations within minutes of each other. Then again it's lunancy knocking down the Odeon to spend considerably more money replacing it with a bland contemporary structure that is addressing markets for which supply already outstrips demand, apartments, hotel rooms & office space.

DCarbz says...
1:05pm Fri 21 May 10

Another idea that kicked off 50+ years ago. What has changed since then. Lots but one slight BIGGIE.
The Airedale Line into Forster Square is electrified but the Calder Dale line isn't.
So after all the hype about through trains I can't see it happening.
Any comment from the consortium?

Collos says...
1:14pm Fri 21 May 10

I have known John Pennington for many years and when he puts his effort into something it normally come out trumps.But he will have everything against him with a council that as only corner shop ideas.I think its a brilliant idea that the city has been crying out for and for many years.If something is not done soon then the closed signs will have to be erected round the city. This city is full of reasons why we can't do something instead of the city council getting of their backsides and going ahead.

Flabbermouth says...
1:22pm Fri 21 May 10

100 Million to join 2 ends of a place that nobody really wants to go............. Brilliant, what a fantastic difference it will make to all the manythousands of people coming from Keithley and Ilkley. What with the new hotel opening and the temporary park Bradford is on the up

richardk9 says...
1:23pm Fri 21 May 10

This idea has been proposed many times in the last 150 years, let's hope it becomes a reality this time otherwise Bradford will remain a backwater as far as transport links go.

Baildon Bystander says...
1:29pm Fri 21 May 10

DCarbz makes a good point about the different types of line, one that any developers would have to try and sort the infrastucture out for before they could progress with it. Whilst I think the idea is a good one in principle, I have to say that the promoters of it weaken their case by linking it to the White Elephant - sorry, Whitegates - project. Let's face it, this aint going to happen and we'd all be better off if it was just turned into a perminant green space. I can think of one or two councillors I wouldn't sticking in the hole before it got covered up, but then that's another post altogether....

bradford pedant says...
1:38pm Fri 21 May 10

Flabbermouth wrote:
100 Million to join 2 ends of a place that nobody really wants to go............. Brilliant, what a fantastic difference it will make to all the manythousands of people coming from Keithley and Ilkley. What with the new hotel opening and the temporary park Bradford is on the up
It's KEIGHLEY not Keithley. It would help if locals who criticise could spell !

markjoe says...
1:40pm Fri 21 May 10

This is a great idea that will come to fruition. Having read the above comments about over pie in the sky scheme for the city this is back by private companies and is not a council backed scheme.

bradford pedant says...
1:40pm Fri 21 May 10

The question is will it get built,answer is no, unless it can be seen as a multi racial, multi faith benefit to the 'community' or something the people of Bradford clearly don't want.

shaunp2112 says...
1:43pm Fri 21 May 10

Go for it. Lets start digging and then just leave massive holes in the city! (Oh, already done that). Well why not then turn them holes into gardens or fill them up with water that will end up full of sick and rubbish! (Oh, in the precess of doing that). Well why not just forget about the whole thing and leave this eyesore of a city to rot! (Yeah that's it - been doin that for years).

The whole of Bradford is a mess. lets start from the top with the eyesore that is the old Yorkshire Bank and across the road John Street then lets go through the city and look at Kirgate or further down to the mess that is Westfield. Or lets look at what was once a magnificent building - the Odean - left to rot!! Where is worth going in this City???? I tell you where - the M606 - and out!!!

ms walker says...
1:47pm Fri 21 May 10

Exbradfordian wrote:
"including attracting civil service jobs from London" - what planet do they live on. Do they live in a bubble - the tories have just announced massive cuts in the civil service - there won't be any jobs to relocate.

I don't want to appear negative but I can't believe this will ever come to fruition. If it does by a miracle, then there should be assurances that the local businesses/communtie

s benefit. There should be quota of jobs that have to go to the Bradford unemployed.
There are more than half a million civil servants, Exbradfordian - they aren't all going to lose their jobs, and as the civil service is restructured over the coming years, there will be many opportunities for new larger departments to be located in an area which is central, easily accessible and inexpensive.
I think this is a brilliant idea. I would love to see it happen.

markjoe says...
1:51pm Fri 21 May 10

Ms Walker is good to hear a positive comment on here.

bradford pedant says...
1:52pm Fri 21 May 10

shaunp2112 wrote:
Go for it. Lets start digging and then just leave massive holes in the city! (Oh, already done that). Well why not then turn them holes into gardens or fill them up with water that will end up full of sick and rubbish! (Oh, in the precess of doing that). Well why not just forget about the whole thing and leave this eyesore of a city to rot! (Yeah that's it - been doin that for years). The whole of Bradford is a mess. lets start from the top with the eyesore that is the old Yorkshire Bank and across the road John Street then lets go through the city and look at Kirgate or further down to the mess that is Westfield. Or lets look at what was once a magnificent building - the Odean - left to rot!! Where is worth going in this City???? I tell you where - the M606 - and out!!!
ODEON...not Odean
Kirkgate not Kirgate.
Maybe if Bradfordians could spell businesses might be more inclined to invest in the city !

shaunp2112 says...
2:02pm Fri 21 May 10

Message for bradford pedant - writing a quick comment whilst on a lunch break from work will contain some incorrect spellings - you failed to notice "precess" where it should have been process. And if you want to be really picky your sentence should contain some punctuation as I think that many Bradfordians can spell the word businesses as your sentence reads. Why would any business wish to invest in this city - I removed my business from here years ago and have had far better success. This city was dying and another stupid waste of money will just kill it off completely. Could the last person to leave please make sure the lights are off!

bradford pedant says...
2:05pm Fri 21 May 10

richardk9 wrote:
This idea has been proposed many times in the last 150 years, let's hope it becomes a reality this time otherwise Bradford will remain a backwater as far as transport links go.
Bradford is a back water and will most likely remain that way. The vast majority of Bradford residents are happy with pound shops, charity shops and fast food outlets and of course Greggs.
The demographic of Bradford is working class and Asian. If you want the finer things in life then over to Leeds where there is a variety of shops to suit all people, restaurants to suit all and a pleasant city centre environment. A mixture of the old and the new. As a Bradfordian this saddens me, but Bradford lost it's way many years ago and I don't think it can be retrieved because the bulk of the population don't want it anymore,they are happy with Bradford as it is and most haven't known the 'old' Bradford.

bradford pedant says...
2:05pm Fri 21 May 10

richardk9 wrote:
This idea has been proposed many times in the last 150 years, let's hope it becomes a reality this time otherwise Bradford will remain a backwater as far as transport links go.
Bradford is a back water and will most likely remain that way. The vast majority of Bradford residents are happy with pound shops, charity shops and fast food outlets and of course Greggs.
The demographic of Bradford is working class and Asian. If you want the finer things in life then over to Leeds where there is a variety of shops to suit all people, restaurants to suit all and a pleasant city centre environment. A mixture of the old and the new. As a Bradfordian this saddens me, but Bradford lost it's way many years ago and I don't think it can be retrieved because the bulk of the population don't want it anymore,they are happy with Bradford as it is and most haven't known the 'old' Bradford.

bradford pedant says...
2:07pm Fri 21 May 10

shaunp2112 wrote:
Message for bradford pedant - writing a quick comment whilst on a lunch break from work will contain some incorrect spellings - you failed to notice "precess" where it should have been process. And if you want to be really picky your sentence should contain some punctuation as I think that many Bradfordians can spell the word businesses as your sentence reads. Why would any business wish to invest in this city - I removed my business from here years ago and have had far better success. This city was dying and another stupid waste of money will just kill it off completely. Could the last person to leave please make sure the lights are off!
Thank you and point taken.
I don't mind be corrected.

bradford pedant says...
2:09pm Fri 21 May 10

bradford pedant wrote:
shaunp2112 wrote: Message for bradford pedant - writing a quick comment whilst on a lunch break from work will contain some incorrect spellings - you failed to notice "precess" where it should have been process. And if you want to be really picky your sentence should contain some punctuation as I think that many Bradfordians can spell the word businesses as your sentence reads. Why would any business wish to invest in this city - I removed my business from here years ago and have had far better success. This city was dying and another stupid waste of money will just kill it off completely. Could the last person to leave please make sure the lights are off!
Thank you and point taken. I don't mind be corrected.
or even BEING corrected before I receive a deluge of further corrections.

markjoe says...
2:15pm Fri 21 May 10

shaunp2112 wrote:
Message for bradford pedant - writing a quick comment whilst on a lunch break from work will contain some incorrect spellings - you failed to notice "precess" where it should have been process. And if you want to be really picky your sentence should contain some punctuation as I think that many Bradfordians can spell the word businesses as your sentence reads. Why would any business wish to invest in this city - I removed my business from here years ago and have had far better success. This city was dying and another stupid waste of money will just kill it off completely. Could the last person to leave please make sure the lights are off!
If new ideas and money isn't invested in the city how will it grow. This idea wont only just benefit the city but surrounding areas

shaunp2112 says...
2:16pm Fri 21 May 10

Another message for bradford pendant - neither do I my friend and the second regarding BEING corrected really made me chuckle. Thankyou and have a great weekend.

kirkstallbantam says...
2:20pm Fri 21 May 10

Stop whining at each other and get behind this scheme. Sure, it is a pipe dream but at least Mr Pennington is having a go at sorting this mess of a city out. Bravo

markjoe says...
2:27pm Fri 21 May 10

kirkstallbantam wrote:
Stop whining at each other and get behind this scheme. Sure, it is a pipe dream but at least Mr Pennington is having a go at sorting this mess of a city out. Bravo
Well said

bradford pedant says...
2:32pm Fri 21 May 10

kirkstallbantam wrote:
Stop whining at each other and get behind this scheme. Sure, it is a pipe dream but at least Mr Pennington is having a go at sorting this mess of a city out. Bravo
Sadly some pipe-dreams have a habit of costing the tax payer.
However, I am more than happy for private investment to be used as their appears to be more accountability.
I am a great supporter of John Pennington and I hope his group is successful in their aims, although why a cross city rail link is going to improve the lot of Bradfordians is still beyond me.

spionkop64 says...
2:41pm Fri 21 May 10

Yes we should join the two stations and complete the inner ring road. These are practicle straight forward plans that invest in the city's long term viability

Now we are rid of Hopkins and Maud perhaps there is an opportunity to change tack. Here's to a future grounded in sensible investment in schemes that will be a benefit to the city for generations to come.

Exbradfordian says...
2:48pm Fri 21 May 10

ms walker, Round here says...
1:47pm Fri 21 May 10

Exbradfordian wrote:
"including attracting civil service jobs from London" - what planet do they live on. Do they live in a bubble - the tories have just announced massive cuts in the civil service - there won't be any jobs to relocate.

I don't want to appear negative but I can't believe this will ever come to fruition. If it does by a miracle, then there should be assurances that the local businesses/communtie


s benefit. There should be quota of jobs that have to go to the Bradford unemployed.
There are more than half a million civil servants, Exbradfordian - they aren't all going to lose their jobs, and as the civil service is restructured over the coming years, there will be many opportunities for new larger departments to be located in an area which is central, easily accessible and inexpensive.
I think this is a brilliant idea. I would love to see it happen.
Exbradfordian wrote: "including attracting civil service jobs from London" - what planet do they live on. Do they live in a bubble - the tories have just announced massive cuts in the civil service - there won't be any jobs to relocate. I don't want to appear negative but I can't believe this will ever come to fruition. If it does by a miracle, then there should be assurances that the local businesses/communtie s benefit. There should be quota of jobs that have to go to the Bradford unemployed.
There are more than half a million civil servants, Exbradfordian - they aren't all going to lose their jobs, and as the civil service is restructured over the coming years, there will be many opportunities for new larger departments to be located in an area which is central, easily accessible and inexpensive. I think this is a brilliant idea. I would love to see it happen.

MS Walker I don't how accurate your figures are but at a time when the civil service is going to be massively cut - their estates are going to have to be correspondingly reduced (even though some of the leases will run for several years) are you seriously suggesting that this government will spend more money relocating staff to another part of the country? Obviously not all staff will relocate but it will still require significant investment to do and savings won't be realised for several years down the line!

the Laird says...
3:29pm Fri 21 May 10

The joining up of the stations is something I have wanted to see for years, with one decent medium modern station rather than the two small tatty ones we currently have.
It would also allow Westfield a good excuse to dramatically downscale the shopping development to a fraction of the original plan if the station was going to be partly on the wasteland site.
Ive been having withdrawal symptoms with so few artists impressions recently too!
Couple of points though, there is no mention at this stage whether Mason and Pennington are prepared to put anything at all into this, let alone bankroll the lot, and with all the cuts to be made at central government level theres no chance of it all coming from Westminster.

And can they all stop this nonsense about civil servants relocating here en-masse from London?
Yes, there will still be civil servants jobs left even after big cuts, but even if they did decide on Bradford which is extremely unlikely, they would have to offer them a fortune to move from the home counties to Bradford. And a cross rail link wont make an iota of difference to making the city look more attractive to Londoners, it has no bearing on the journey times from the capital to here, its still much quicker to travel London-Leeds-Bradfor
d and vice versa.
Id still like to see M606 extended and a joined up ring road which would arguably be just as benificial too.

peedoffratepayer says...
3:37pm Fri 21 May 10

markjoe wrote:
This is a great idea that will come to fruition. Having read the above comments about over pie in the sky scheme for the city this is back by private companies and is not a council backed scheme.
Was it a nasty bump on the head?, or do you wear rose-tinted spectacles? "A great idea that will come to fruition" - your having a laugh!!

Moon on a stick says...
3:55pm Fri 21 May 10

peedoffratepayer wrote:
markjoe wrote: This is a great idea that will come to fruition. Having read the above comments about over pie in the sky scheme for the city this is back by private companies and is not a council backed scheme.
Was it a nasty bump on the head?, or do you wear rose-tinted spectacles? "A great idea that will come to fruition" - your having a laugh!!
Allow the man a dream at least, that's all we have left in Bradford our dreams, don't take them away too!

jonathancrewdson says...
5:00pm Fri 21 May 10

I'm setting up a new not-for-profit company to fill the vacuum following Bradford Centre Regeneration being closed and the aim this time is not just to promote investment in the city centre but also to set up practical projects to do something to improve the chances of businesses in the area.

This is certainly something we will be looking to support. The issue of Bradford not having a cross-rail and the potential benefits that would bring will not go away until it happens.

Moon on a stick says...
5:37pm Fri 21 May 10

jonathancrewdson wrote:
I'm setting up a new not-for-profit company to fill the vacuum following Bradford Centre Regeneration being closed and the aim this time is not just to promote investment in the city centre but also to set up practical projects to do something to improve the chances of businesses in the area.

This is certainly something we will be looking to support. The issue of Bradford not having a cross-rail and the potential benefits that would bring will not go away until it happens.
Sounds like a good idea, if your company listens to the Civic Society, retailers and residents if there are any left then hopefully it should give you some ideas. Apart from a rail link more affordable and long stay parking and reigning back the overzealous parking attendants plus cancelling the lunancy of making all roads chargable to park on in the centre would be a good start.

caribouk says...
5:41pm Fri 21 May 10

J.F.D.I !!

ravacity says...
6:11pm Fri 21 May 10

jonathancrewdson wrote:
I'm setting up a new not-for-profit company to fill the vacuum following Bradford Centre Regeneration being closed and the aim this time is not just to promote investment in the city centre but also to set up practical projects to do something to improve the chances of businesses in the area. This is certainly something we will be looking to support. The issue of Bradford not having a cross-rail and the potential benefits that would bring will not go away until it happens.
glad to see their is still a few bradfordians still believing in this city including pennington/mason and the above post,the train operators **** has funding from 2014 to develop new lines and wants to hear from local authorities wtih proposals to improve its rail infrastructure.so this scheme could be possible,bradford needs it residents to back these proposals then we might get somewhere

Darbees says...
7:13pm Fri 21 May 10

This is a great idea but the biggest problem with nearly everyone in Bradford including myself is that we are alll now so cynical due to all the other failed projects over the years that it's hard to summon up any enthusiasm. I think this needs major work by the "consortium" to get the city behind the plan and bang a few heads together in places that matter and who knows, it might just happen.

bcfc1903 says...
8:05pm Fri 21 May 10

This is a great idea, that in the great scheme of things costs very little.There was a plan to have cross rail built in Bradford just before the 1st world war broke out,how fitting if this was built as a tribute to the Bradford Pals whos loss this city never recovered from.It will be 100 years in 2016 since that terrible day on the Somme,lets have it built by then !!!.

davidh66 says...
8:31pm Fri 21 May 10

Has the Council gone mad do they know many asylum seekers we could keep for 100 million

bcfc1903 says...
8:57pm Fri 21 May 10

Maybe if John Pennington does run for the proposed elected Mayer position that is supposed to be part of the Consevative new idea for local goverment he may b able to get this up and running.I'd also like to think he'll be able to save the Odeon building which should be refurbished not demolished.

watcher22 says...
9:30pm Fri 21 May 10

OK but let the people who will really benefit, the top brass in the big companies who will get all the business that will result,make the payments for it. I don't begrudge them their big pay packets but don't take it out of the council tax and from ordinary working class folk. I get an ordinary wage and a 1.5 percent pay rise this year. I don't get any benefit from the pond and park I am forking out for. The holes in my road have not been repaired but I've paid my council tax.

nothereforlong says...
10:08pm Fri 21 May 10

There must've been an empty page in today's T&A. So it seems they've filled it with yet another artists impression of some hair brain scheme.

A quote from a film just came to mind

"If you build it, they will come"

The quote's from a film called Field of Dreams, which is what Bradford is fast becoming. Can we build shops that sell things people want to buy now, rather than living in the past of the wool trade or the future of Batman Begins!!!!!

lonniejockstrap says...
11:55pm Fri 21 May 10

Can someone explain to me how a 'cross rail-link through Bradford' THROUGH BRADFORD! helps bring people into Bradford. If people want to go into Bradford by train they can get off at the Exchange station OR they can get off a train at the Midland station -whats the problem? If they want to pass through Bradford on a train then I suppose a 'cross rail-link through Bradford' would be a good idea. I am obviously missing something here.

TirNaNog says...
6:00am Sat 22 May 10

Is there anywhere I can buy copies of the artists impressions that have been commissioned in the last few years? I want to make a 'flick-book' to give my mates in Leeds a good laugh!
Didn't there used to be a grand,ornate railway station where they are proposing to place the new one? That's progress!

Writer says...
8:00pm Sat 22 May 10

At last a brilliant suggestion. I note the usual lukewarm response from the Council. Of course it will cost a lot of money, these things always do. If like me you drive to the east coast you will have become aware of the road improvements at the M62/M1 junction near Leeds that were made approx 10 years ago. it shortens the journey bt about 20 minutes. coming back you go through a huge deep cutting about a mile long. How much did this cost? Sorry no problem it's a motorway. Why do we always have problems with costs for rail but not road? The sooner this link is built, the sooner Bradford will haul itself out of the doldrums. Regarding the concerns of the Cathedral, what could be better than worshipping God on one side and having trains go past on the other?

Stilladriver says...
3:11pm Sun 23 May 10

bradford pedant wrote:
kirkstallbantam wrote: Stop whining at each other and get behind this scheme. Sure, it is a pipe dream but at least Mr Pennington is having a go at sorting this mess of a city out. Bravo
Sadly some pipe-dreams have a habit of costing the tax payer. However, I am more than happy for private investment to be used as their appears to be more accountability. I am a great supporter of John Pennington and I hope his group is successful in their aims, although why a cross city rail link is going to improve the lot of Bradfordians is still beyond me.
It's good to see the good natured exchange between the two of you. And that some people do still value an effort being made to write proper English. But bradford pedant, I really can't believe that you wrote "as their appears to be more...."

One of the biggest advantages of the a crossrail project would be that trains would no longer need to reverse in Bradford as through trains from York to Blackpool and Leeds to Manchester Victoria do at the moment.

And as far as the argument about the lines to the Interchange not being electrified, Network Rail are currently developing plans for a 'Manchester Hub' which are investigating the electrification of lines from Manchester to Leeds and onto York. Surely metro would work to include the Leeds-Bramley - New Pudsey -Bradford Interchange line in such a scheme as they did with the Airedale line when the East Coast line was electrified.

And there are already services whch run beyond Skipton that use diesel trains, so that is not setting a precedent.

avagander says...
8:59pm Wed 26 May 10

I've not read one comment yet about WHY this is a good idea.

It wouldn't be the heart of "West Yorkshire's railway network" - that's in Leeds and in terms of high speed rail Leeds is on a backwater of the East Coast mainline. Leeds to Doncaster takes an age as it has no dedicated high speed track - I'd rather that was improved first.


A computer-generated image of how the skytrack could look as it crosses over the city as part of the £100 million plan to link Bradford’s two stations How the new track is envisaged snaking through the city on a raised track The new station entrance by the Victoria Hotel

A computer-generated image of how the skytrack could look as it crosses over the city as part of the £100 million plan to link Bradford’s two stations

How the new track is envisaged snaking through the city on a raised track

The new station entrance by the Victoria Hotel



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