Bradford Council's ambitious plans kicked into touch (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Peter Hood is shocked to hear that Bradford Council is skint? He must be the only man in Bradford who is! Take a look around the town centre and move out in any direction...Basra is in a better state than Bradford!

ell not exactly shocking news, the shock would have been if the council could proceed!!

This council is an absolute joke!!! Lets look at their track record:

- Westfield hole in the ground
- Degeneration of the city centre
- The Odeon
- "City Park"

Isn't it about time heads roll in this council who are responsible for the systematic degeneration of this City i was once proud of?

These overpaid executives are clearly not up to the job of delivering the changes required. They are willing to blame everbody but themselves including developers, partners and the changing economy (sorry Mr Naylor I assumed you were unaware of the recession we were in last June).

YET ANOTHER FAILURE ACREDITED TO THIS ONCE GREAT CITY, ADD THAT TO LAST WEEKS REPORT ABOUT BRADFORD BEING THE WORST/UGLYEST CITY IN ENGLAND AND THINGS ARE REALY LOOKING GOOD ARNT THEY? HOW EMBASSASING.

Here we go again, another failed project for Bradford, just how long is this list going to get?

Naylor & Co should be sacked, and pay-off withdrawn, the only thing they deserve is a good kick up the aras!

Councillor David Ward, deputy leader of the Liberal Democrat group, said: “Our position has not changed in that we have always been very supportive of the sports village concept and think it would be a fabulous district and regional asset. We are quite happy for the £15m of Council funding to be put into the scheme to support the community assets associated with it, but we can’t countenance the use of public funding for a stadium for the Bradford Bulls because they are a private organisation.”

I went to a monster truck evening there recently, and was surprised to see little improvement in the ground since I used to support Bradford Northern in the 60's.
Same terraces, cold as hell and open to the elements.
Still a hole in a old tip!
Isn't the stadium regarded as a public asset? Its responsible for a huge weekly footfall, and the council could take advantage of that with parking costs, shops and publicity.

What a surprise OSV bites the dust. Didn't see that coming.

If the Bulls want Odsal redeveloped then let them fund it. I'm sick of "Rugby on the Rates". Already one 25,000 all seater stadium in Bradford that has cost Bradford Council nothing. Come on down to VP and share the costs and both clubs are in a win win situation.

Use the money saved to build a new sports centre/training facilities at "the hole". Which will be easy to access for the whole of the Bradford district not just those that live near the M62/M606.

"We live in a franchise era and we need to re-bid for our Super League franchise in 2011 for the following three years. Stadium criteria form a very large part of that bid and when we make it, it will not be sufficient to simply have ideas about a stadium possible being redeveloped in the future, we would need to have bulldozers on site, so to speak."

So says Peter Hood.

well Peter Hood, here is a radical idea for you, why don't you do what every other private business has to do when they want their premises refurbished, or rebuilt? and pay for it yourself?

I don't think anyone is remotely surprised by this news, with the possible exception of Mr Hood.

"To start the ball rolling, the Council’s executive will next week be asked to approve the transfer of £1.2m feasibility funding, which was earmarked for the original scheme. This will allow a “substantive business case” to be drawn up for the five alternatives, which is expected to be reported back to the executive by the beginning of next year."

Wow thats a lot of cash.
How about the council let me do a feasabilty study, 200 quid cash in hand.

Or, if their £50 million short or so, just impound 1000 cars from BD3 and ebay them.

well what a surprise!! its taken them years to make a decision on what would have taken the the most stupid man 5 minutes!
what i would like to know is why they would string out the charade for so long? may be somebody has made a lot of money from all this planning ? or may be they just liked the cucumber sandwiches at all the meetings they have had to come out and state the bloody obvious!! did anybody actually believe that this would ever happen? Mr Hood excepted!! what a farce!!

haha, Brafud Council, on a cold damp Tuesday morning, you cheer me up with your failings.
You know - on this occasion I really thought the "WEMBLEY OF THE NORTH" would get off the ground (whatever - it was a joke when I was a teenager)- no problems ; wait till next years budget is released and then throw loads of cash into promoting it again.
Or we could plough all the money into a nice new community centre for the poor kids in Brafud Moor, that would be money well spent.

Isn't it about time the T&A performed some investigative journalism, using the Freedom of Information act to find out these failed schemes have cost the taxpayers of Bradford over the past few years?

As the above post mentioned £1.2m!!! for a business case!!

I can also give the answer now....it is never going to happen so stop throwing OUR money at schemes you are not capable of delivering!!!

Just get the council out.
Slowly slowly catchee monkey.

I'm surprised they haven't wheeled out the automated defences; i.e City of Film, City Park, the Alhambra, other projects still ongoing etc.
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One cataclysmic f-up after another. And they had the b*lls to label the poll saying Bradford was the worst place for tourists as "poppycock". Adrian Naylor and his gang of merry men should be burnt at the stake, appropriately in the centre of the Odsal pitch a la the Colosseum.

Come on you guys,Did anybody really think that Bradford Council had any intention of this scheme going ahead.As a previous poster said Bradford is without any doubt the worst City in England and anybody who does not believe this is living in cuckoo land.I once prophesied the Bulls would move out of Bradford and share with Halifax,if Halifax manage to become eligible for Super League after this year my forecast will come true and Odsal will have money thrown at it to become a Kabbadda stadium.

Time now for mr hood to eat his humble pie and realise that the only way forward is to come on down to our un fashionable valley parade.....which is and always will be his best option.The atmosphere would be better than up at that tip at odsal and the facilities are far better .......only the stubborn hood thinks different.

Irish Bantam,V.P. does not belong to City it is rented as you will well know.Does anybody know the exact contract details regarding the lease.If the Bulls were to move to V.P. maybe Mr.Gibb could see an opening for more money and up the rental for two teams playing there.Who knows ?

irish bantam wrote:
Time now for mr hood to eat his humble pie and realise that the only way forward is to come on down to our un fashionable valley parade.....which is and always will be his best option.The atmosphere would be better than up at that tip at odsal and the facilities are far better .......only the stubborn hood thinks different.

Why not just fold the Bulls they are rubbish,its a poor game a rubbish tip with grass on it and they are poorly supported why should the people of Bradford have to pay anything to keep a minority so called sport going,close it and put a mosque in its place.

Another mothballed scheme in Bradford what a BIG surprise that is. Hang on a minute I need to fake a bit of shock!!!!! There we go. Why are we surpirsed until something promised is actually finished I say we take anything this lying council says with a very small pinch of salt.

I think the time has come to abandon Odsal and head to VP. We need to ensure the future of the Bulls and the only way we'll stay in SL is to have a stadium that is up to standard.

I love Odsal, but it just isn't a feasible proposition. They would be better off selling the site for housing (rather than using Green Belt in Idle, Bingley or wherever else they want to build) and then move the Bulls to VP.

The council should then spend some money of creating better parking at VP to benefit both soccer and rugby fans.

The clubs should then offer combined season tickets, and really promote both clubs around the city.

the only people making money in Bradford are the guys who draw sketches of potential developments that never materialise !

'The world was a different place' is June 2009 was it Mr Naylor? Absolutely priceless? Any other job this man would have been sacked long long ago.
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Just for fun, let's look at the headlines.
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'We will deliver Odsal dream' pledge

6:30am Monday 1st December 2008

Coun Naylor said: “If we don’t deliver anything else, this is the one we have to do. We can’t get it much higher on our agenda and really want to push ahead with it.”
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'Final' Odsal options unveiled

7:30am Saturday 23rd May 2009
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Cash crisis kills off £75m Odsal sports village

7:30am Tuesday 23rd March 2010
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Security words 'vote-fast'.
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Couldn't have said it better myself!

Bone_idle18 wrote:
I think the time has come to abandon Odsal and head to VP. We need to ensure the future of the Bulls and the only way we'll stay in SL is to have a stadium that is up to standard. I love Odsal, but it just isn't a feasible proposition. They would be better off selling the site for housing (rather than using Green Belt in Idle, Bingley or wherever else they want to build) and then move the Bulls to VP. The council should then spend some money of creating better parking at VP to benefit both soccer and rugby fans. The clubs should then offer combined season tickets, and really promote both clubs around the city.

Common sence Bone_idle18 but will it happen, Odsal should be sold and the money made from it's sale used to buy Valley Parade from Gordon Gibbs pension fund then use the monies left to help both clubs, I know they are private businesses BUT if this would help get the Bulls back to where they were 3 seasons ago and help get Bradford City back into the Championship that would be a MASSIVE boost for Bradford and Christ knows Bradford needs one, the City is dying on it's feet and our council stand by and watch,we need a good turn out in the May elections and get a party (Labour,Tory,Lib Dem,BNP, or whoever) with total control rather than shared control as we have now.

How many times over the years have we had this excuse?? This 'Odsal Superdrome' or whatever they want to call it has had more and more air time ever since I was a lad and it's never materialised.
What would make anyone think that it would come to fruit this time?
Never mind, it'll all come back into the news again in a couple of more years!

How many times over the years have we had this excuse?? This 'Odsal Superdrome' or whatever they want to call it has had more and more air time ever since I was a lad and it's never materialised.
What would make anyone think that it would come to fruit this time?
Never mind, it'll all come back into the news again in a couple of more years!

Meanwhile, from the BBC website-
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"Outline planning permission approved for Leeds Arena
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The Leeds Arena is expected to create up to 500 jobs
Outline planning permission has been granted for the £80m Leeds Arena...."
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Falling further and further behind.

The millions that have been wasted on plans and feasibility studies into Odsal is a scandal. Now ANOTHER £1.2m is to be thrown at it. It really beggars belief.
The obvious answer is for the Council to buy Valley Parade, reportedly for sale for around £5m, and then fill Odsal in and sell it. Then both Bradford's professional clubs will have a virtually brand new ground and can star afresh debt free. Then both clubs can stand on their own two feet without anymore tax payers money.
To even consider spending even mroe our our money on Odsal is outrageous. Around £30m has been spent in recent times. How can anyone justify it? If the Bulls wish to remain at Odsal fine, let them fund the improvements themsevles. Otherwise, see you at Valley Parade.

What we need is a purpose built stadium so that the Bulls and Bantams can share a ground like Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield and the likes, where there is ample parking and no clogging up of the adjoining streets. I wish the die-hards from both sides would get rid of this 'I don't want to move grounds' syndrome. It is time to move forward.

They would rather spend £5m on more drawings and meetings than use common business sense. Buy VP you know it makes sense!!

reportmeagain wrote:

irish bantam wrote:
Time now for mr hood to eat his humble pie and realise that the only way forward is to come on down to our un fashionable valley parade.....which is and always will be his best option.The atmosphere would be better than up at that tip at odsal and the facilities are far better .......only the stubborn hood thinks different.

Why not just fold the Bulls they are rubbish,its a poor game a rubbish tip with grass on it and they are poorly supported why should the people of Bradford have to pay anything to keep a minority so called sport going,close it and put a mosque in its place.

As opposed to the all conquering Bradford City? I forgot that the Bantams were in the top flight, playing in the champions league and running rings around Man Utd.
I'm with Spanglish, time for the Bulls to move out of Bradford. We'll all take our hard earned cash and put it into Calderdale Council every week. When no one uses Richard Dunn Sports Centre it'll get closed down, the Corporate Tax that they would have been getting from the Bulls as a Business can go somewhere else and, to be honest, I wouldn't mind a 45min journey into Halifax to watch the Rugby. This city has gone to the dogs. Might as well let them wallow in the pit they've created.

I feel if Mr Gibbs and City are agreeable Bulls should move to VP next season.
There will be no money to "Buy" VP from Mr Gibbs so why not just accept it and get on with it? Share the rent,stop throwing money at Odsal as the amount it would require to bring Odsal up to scratch makes any chance of funding pie in the sky.
I say this with a heavy heart having spent and had connections with the club over 50 odd years but, as the youngsters like to tell us, "this is the 21st Century" and many great monuments of the past are disappearing fast. Odsal too will have to bite the dust in the way of progress.
VP is a nice little Stadium and although it's position is less favourable than Odsal it does meet modern day criteria. Should money ever become "easy" again who knows? there may be some to improve VP further.

Bulls may loose a few 'die hards' along the way but I think they would be replaced with new supporters and who knows, sponsors may start liking the Bulls again and put money in with which a great team can be built.
This may sound like another stab in the dark but I tell you what, it's a darned sight more realistic than the rubbish we have been fed for the last 40 years or so re 'developing' Odsal.

haitch wrote:
I feel if Mr Gibbs and City are agreeable Bulls should move to VP next season.
There will be no money to "Buy" VP from Mr Gibbs so why not just accept it and get on with it? Share the rent,stop throwing money at Odsal as the amount it would require to bring Odsal up to scratch makes any chance of funding pie in the sky.
I say this with a heavy heart having spent and had connections with the club over 50 odd years but, as the youngsters like to tell us, "this is the 21st Century" and many great monuments of the past are disappearing fast. Odsal too will have to bite the dust in the way of progress.
VP is a nice little Stadium and although it's position is less favourable than Odsal it does meet modern day criteria. Should money ever become "easy" again who knows? there may be some to improve VP further.

Bulls may loose a few 'die hards' along the way but I think they would be replaced with new supporters and who knows, sponsors may start liking the Bulls again and put money in with which a great team can be built.
This may sound like another stab in the dark but I tell you what, it's a darned sight more realistic than the rubbish we have been fed for the last 40 years or so re 'developing' Odsal.

Great theory Hiatch, but what if the Die Hards stop going and they don't replace them?
No offence, but a move to VP will no doubt be slapped in the face with hike in ticket prices as well. I went to every home game at Valley Parade but did so on the basis that it was temporary. Permanent? Sorry, I'm Bulls til I die, but there's no way I'm lining the pockets of a greedy landlord.

haitch wrote:
I feel if Mr Gibbs and City are agreeable Bulls should move to VP next season.
There will be no money to "Buy" VP from Mr Gibbs so why not just accept it and get on with it? Share the rent,stop throwing money at Odsal as the amount it would require to bring Odsal up to scratch makes any chance of funding pie in the sky.
I say this with a heavy heart having spent and had connections with the club over 50 odd years but, as the youngsters like to tell us, "this is the 21st Century" and many great monuments of the past are disappearing fast. Odsal too will have to bite the dust in the way of progress.
VP is a nice little Stadium and although it's position is less favourable than Odsal it does meet modern day criteria. Should money ever become "easy" again who knows? there may be some to improve VP further.

Bulls may loose a few 'die hards' along the way but I think they would be replaced with new supporters and who knows, sponsors may start liking the Bulls again and put money in with which a great team can be built.
This may sound like another stab in the dark but I tell you what, it's a darned sight more realistic than the rubbish we have been fed for the last 40 years or so re 'developing' Odsal.

Great theory Hiatch, but what if the Die Hards stop going and they don't replace them?
No offence, but a move to VP will no doubt be slapped in the face with hike in ticket prices as well. I went to every home game at Valley Parade but did so on the basis that it was temporary. Permanent? Sorry, I'm Bulls til I die, but there's no way I'm lining the pockets of a greedy landlord.

What I would like to know is if the Bulls do actually move to V.P. will they basically give the season tickets away as City do now to keep a level playing field for both clubs or will City have to substantially raise the prices of their season tickets to come in line with the Bulls.As I have already asked,it is not their ground,who will make that decision,Mr Gibb maybe.My own preference would be to move from the city altogether and merge with Halifax rather than spend money in the dump of a town that is Bradford.

why would northern move to halifax i dont get it,it would mean a third team at the shay, wouldnt be easy on the fixture list. sharing valley parade seems the obvious answer, any die hard regular suppporter would soon get used to it.

The posts on here show just how hard it will be to settle this. I think I am probably right in saying that not one person on here has enough money to help the Bulls build a new stadium - so where is the money coming from?
It is very simple. The Bulls are broke. City are broke. The council is broke. We don't have any money we will part with. But yet we still argue this and that. There will need to be a compromise by many people. Those that don't like it can sit at home in protest. I have friends who won't go to Odsal but would go to VP because it is modern.
Beggars can't be choosers. We are millions in debt. Can't afford any more players and can't do anything with the hole we call a stadium. The obvious choice is VP whether we like it or not. Don't like it - don't go. We will pick up new supporters. I train youngsters and they make fun of Odsal. They prefer VP over Odsal any day! Time does heal things and we will get over the few who don't go but it would be the best for both clubs and the tax payers.
P.S. we could always design a stadium and call it a mosque. It will get built then!

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
What I would like to know is if the Bulls do actually move to V.P. will they basically give the season tickets away as City do now to keep a level playing field for both clubs or will City have to substantially raise the prices of their season tickets to come in line with the Bulls.As I have already asked,it is not their ground,who will make that decision,Mr Gibb maybe.My own preference would be to move from the city altogether and merge with Halifax rather than spend money in the dump of a town that is Bradford.

Seconded! Drop the "Bradford" from the name and follow The Crusaders lead with just a name. Enough is enough. I'd rather see my money going to the club and to Calderdale Council.

Prycey wrote:
The posts on here show just how hard it will be to settle this. I think I am probably right in saying that not one person on here has enough money to help the Bulls build a new stadium - so where is the money coming from?
It is very simple. The Bulls are broke. City are broke. The council is broke. We don't have any money we will part with. But yet we still argue this and that. There will need to be a compromise by many people. Those that don't like it can sit at home in protest. I have friends who won't go to Odsal but would go to VP because it is modern.
Beggars can't be choosers. We are millions in debt. Can't afford any more players and can't do anything with the hole we call a stadium. The obvious choice is VP whether we like it or not. Don't like it - don't go. We will pick up new supporters. I train youngsters and they make fun of Odsal. They prefer VP over Odsal any day! Time does heal things and we will get over the few who don't go but it would be the best for both clubs and the tax payers.
P.S. we could always design a stadium and call it a mosque. It will get built then!

That "hole" of a stadium has been good enough for 13 of our 15 years in Super League and long before that. I didn't realise that people in Bradford were such snobs.

irish bantam wrote:
Time now for mr hood to eat his humble pie and realise that the only way forward is to come on down to our un fashionable valley parade.....which is and always will be his best option.The atmosphere would be better than up at that tip at odsal and the facilities are far better .......only the stubborn hood thinks different.

Nooooooo!! Who the hell wants to show visiting supporters this part of Bradford. At least odsal is on the outskirts and they don't have to drive through the hole that is bradford to get there. I am embarassed to say I live in bfd and when away often say near Leeds as the stigma this place has due to the vermin that have ruined this once great city. Go down Leeds rd, Carlisle rd or great horton rd to see what they have done. And we want to move the bulls right into the middle of manningham where your car gets broken into and large groups of human rats peddling their wares are loitering.
Say noooooooo to vp move out of Bradford.
Please note there is no reference to any group here so don't ban me again for speaking my mind. I will just set up another email address.

merge with halifax very odd,any supporter of any sports club would laugh at any suggestion of a merger with a local rival, it will never happen

ravacity wrote:
merge with halifax very odd,any supporter of any sports club would laugh at any suggestion of a merger with a local rival, it will never happen

well any supporter of any sports club would want the best for their passion. Do the Bulls stay in Bradford and go down with the sinking ship or do they bail out? hmmmm...tough decision...what's in a name....can soon be rectified "The Bulls RLFC"

Adey wrote:

reportmeagain wrote:

irish bantam wrote: Time now for mr hood to eat his humble pie and realise that the only way forward is to come on down to our un fashionable valley parade.....which is and always will be his best option.The atmosphere would be better than up at that tip at odsal and the facilities are far better .......only the stubborn hood thinks different.

Why not just fold the Bulls they are rubbish,its a poor game a rubbish tip with grass on it and they are poorly supported why should the people of Bradford have to pay anything to keep a minority so called sport going,close it and put a mosque in its place.

As opposed to the all conquering Bradford City? I forgot that the Bantams were in the top flight, playing in the champions league and running rings around Man Utd. I'm with Spanglish, time for the Bulls to move out of Bradford. We'll all take our hard earned cash and put it into Calderdale Council every week. When no one uses Richard Dunn Sports Centre it'll get closed down, the Corporate Tax that they would have been getting from the Bulls as a Business can go somewhere else and, to be honest, I wouldn't mind a 45min journey into Halifax to watch the Rugby. This city has gone to the dogs. Might as well let them wallow in the pit they've created.

Clown.

Adey, I take your point and you may be correct. I too attended most of the VP Bulls games and I have to admit I didn't like the atmosphere but couldn't quite decide whether it was that the ground was not right for RL or did I just have too many memories of Odsal. Moving away from Bradford all together is an option but then it would no longer be "Bradford" Bulls. However I have had some of the most enjoyable times ever at Thrum Hall and the Shay and find Halifax an excellent Rugby League town with all the atmosphere that brings at the ground and in the pubs and clubs around. So 'Fax could work.
Whichever way it goes, it seems Bulls will have to leave Odsal sooner rather than later and all the options should be laid on the table and Fans involved. As I've said die hards wil be lost whichever way it goes but if they get it right they'll recover.

Councillor Warburton seems to imply that the Bulls are pivotal to any Odsal scheme going ahead, so why is there no mention of the Bulls' financial contribution to it? Especially as it was the Bulls who instigated the scheme in the first place.

reportmeagain wrote:

Adey wrote:

reportmeagain wrote:

irish bantam wrote: Time now for mr hood to eat his humble pie and realise that the only way forward is to come on down to our un fashionable valley parade.....which is and always will be his best option.The atmosphere would be better than up at that tip at odsal and the facilities are far better .......only the stubborn hood thinks different.

Why not just fold the Bulls they are rubbish,its a poor game a rubbish tip with grass on it and they are poorly supported why should the people of Bradford have to pay anything to keep a minority so called sport going,close it and put a mosque in its place.

As opposed to the all conquering Bradford City? I forgot that the Bantams were in the top flight, playing in the champions league and running rings around Man Utd. I'm with Spanglish, time for the Bulls to move out of Bradford. We'll all take our hard earned cash and put it into Calderdale Council every week. When no one uses Richard Dunn Sports Centre it'll get closed down, the Corporate Tax that they would have been getting from the Bulls as a Business can go somewhere else and, to be honest, I wouldn't mind a 45min journey into Halifax to watch the Rugby. This city has gone to the dogs. Might as well let them wallow in the pit they've created.

Clown.

What's funny about it? This town is going down the pan, I'd rather not see my team go with it thank you very much.

haitch wrote:
Adey, I take your point and you may be correct. I too attended most of the VP Bulls games and I have to admit I didn't like the atmosphere but couldn't quite decide whether it was that the ground was not right for RL or did I just have too many memories of Odsal. Moving away from Bradford all together is an option but then it would no longer be "Bradford" Bulls. However I have had some of the most enjoyable times ever at Thrum Hall and the Shay and find Halifax an excellent Rugby League town with all the atmosphere that brings at the ground and in the pubs and clubs around. So 'Fax could work.
Whichever way it goes, it seems Bulls will have to leave Odsal sooner rather than later and all the options should be laid on the table and Fans involved. As I've said die hards wil be lost whichever way it goes but if they get it right they'll recover.

IF they get it right. And IF they get it wrong? Then what? When was the last time this town did anything for any of it's sport's clubs? Nah, they should get out whilst they still can. It's only a matter of time before some bright spark at the council decides that Valley Parade would look better as a housing estate or shopping centre and then we'll end up with craters all over the place.

Before any decision is taken in respect of where the Bulls might play in the future, I hope that the Bulls directors will state honestly what the options are, and whether that includes remaining at Odsal in its present state and give the Bulls season ticket holders the choice of where they want the Bulls to play in the future. These are the people who commit to the Bulls season in, season out and who should have the choice - not people living in Spain who think the Bulls should play in Halifax!
People moan about the state of Odsal and about the lack of shelter and seating. How many times has the main stand been completely full in recent years despite it P***ing it down and only being a couple of quid to transfer in there?
You would think that the Superleague is full of state of the art stadia - there are about 4 decent ones and 3 of them are shared with football clubs. Similarly from what I've seen on TV the RU Premier League is not overly blessed with modern stadiums.

followed city for 40 years couldnt contemplate a merger with another club its rediculous the only merger i can ever remember is dagenham and redbridge.been talk of it between batley/dewsbury,cas and wakey but it left fans horrified at the prospect,it dosnt happen for a reason no one wants it.as for valley parade, atmosphere is surely down to what the supporters make it,never had my car broken into always a good crack in the pubs on westgate, white abbey never any problems with the locals, stop the whingeing about the city and get on with it ........and i thought my young uns could whinge!

Well after 40 years being a Bulls supporter i will definately state here and now i will not be going to VP....Like some have said here today i would prefere the club to drop the Bradford part of the name and move out of the city completely...I feel for the city fans on here who every time this debate opens fight their corner and say we (the Bulls ) must move to them, because of this and because of that....but it is in the most unfriendly hostile part of the city, and not one i would bring children to for the friday or saturday night games...so on that note, pull the Bulls out of the city altogether into somewhere run by a competant council who would welcome the income generated, and then we can close the door on this whole pathetic episode and leave the council to rot in this sh**hole they have created.
I for one have had enough..

Bantam-in-Greece wrote:
How many times over the years have we had this excuse?? This 'Odsal Superdrome' or whatever they want to call it has had more and more air time ever since I was a lad and it's never materialised. What would make anyone think that it would come to fruit this time? Never mind, it'll all come back into the news again in a couple of more years!

And money being set aside for the elcttirc bus route!

Well at least Bradford Council now have a choice of two hole's in the ground nicely set for landfill!

intruder3906 wrote:
Well after 40 years being a Bulls supporter i will definately state here and now i will not be going to VP....Like some have said here today i would prefere the club to drop the Bradford part of the name and move out of the city completely...I feel for the city fans on here who every time this debate opens fight their corner and say we (the Bulls ) must move to them, because of this and because of that....but it is in the most unfriendly hostile part of the city, and not one i would bring children to for the friday or saturday night games...so on that note, pull the Bulls out of the city altogether into somewhere run by a competant council who would welcome the income generated, and then we can close the door on this whole pathetic episode and leave the council to rot in this sh**hole they have created. I for one have had enough..

If you want to leave the city then go, I couldn't care two hoots whether the Bulls leave, it's not as if you generate any income in the city itself anyway, as most Bulls fans seem to become absolutely terrified if they venture outside a 2 inch radius of Odsal.

I am sure whichever council district you move into will be grateful to receive the few pence you generate on a match day.

Don't forget to turn the lights out when you go, theres a good chap.

Perhaps we are all missing the Council's visionary prowess here, in so much as they are trying to bring sport to the people and place it in the very heart of the City.I am thinking that the new home of Bradford Sport will be the new City Park..There you go..just drop down a fleece or two as goal-posts and there we 'av it..any time anywhere and the overheads are virtually non existent..sport for all.

Can anyone tell me the last time anyone was mugged leaving a game at Valley Parade? I think incidents are few and far between and probably no worse than those occurring after games at Odsal. A certain amount of snobbery seems to put people off going to 'Manningham' to watch a game.

Valley Parade is neither a better nor a worse location than Odsal.

I live in Wyke and I for one have never had any sort of problems going to VP to watch games over the last couple of decades.

We need a solution that suits both parties and i think Bradford City and Bradford Bulls need to get their heads together to find a solution together and cut the council out completely.

Well, if you read the article properly, it's not the council that are at fault for this failure. The counciol's money for the project was already to go. It was the college funding that's gone out the window and as they were a major partner it's killed the scheme.

security code town-lose. how apt?

jambo wrote:
Well, if you read the article properly, it's not the council that are at fault for this failure. The counciol's money for the project was already to go. It was the college funding that's gone out the window and as they were a major partner it's killed the scheme. security code town-lose. how apt?

The council are at fault though! It is their scheme, they should guarantee funding before broadcasting their big ideas that are doomed to failure from the start.

Mr Naylor will blame anybody but himself for the these projects that never get off the ground.

The problem with this council is that they cannot get the basics right...i.e. attracting shoppers to our city centre, signing contracts with major developers that have suitable clauses for lack of progress...

Mr Naylor should walk now as this was his in his words the councils top priority. He should have been responsbile for securing the funding, what ever the source.

The council should not sanction further spending any more money on the schemes without consulting the tax payers as to what the benefits aill be to the whole city.

Ralphie,You have not got a clue what you are talking about,supporters of the club now should have a say in where the club should play not people living in Spain.Let me tell you I have put more money into Northern AND Bulls than you have had hot dinners.I have been a supporter of the club since 1950,home and away.I have been a season ticket holder,a player sponsor,a vice president for more years than I care to remember.I sponsored players when there was only half a dozen of us who could.I paid ten years season ticket money upfront so we could sign Deryk Fox in 1992,Did you do allthese things? If you did,well done,if not dont try to tell me I dont have a right to an opinion on what happens at Odsal.My personal preference is to stay at Odsal with covering all around,if not,move to the Shay where Calderdale Council will be glad of the income the Bulls would create.Why carry on putting money into the dump that is now Bradford.I was born and bred there and was proud of that fact until later in my life and so I got out and moved to Spain in 2007 and I am glad I did when I see what recent Councils have done to our once proud City.

I now live 500 yards from Odsal. Bankfoot has an asian population, so does that mean the Bulls fans will run away screaming from Odsal now? The comments regarding VP are laughable, I've been going there 40 years and have NEVER had my car broken into, nor have I been assaulted, mugged or anything really. Your perceptions are the only thing to be afraid of. As for moving to Halifax, well you might as well close the club down. It is the BRADFORD Bulls and hopefully it always will be. I support both clubs, the choice is leave both where they are and they will BOTH whither on the vine. The two clubs have to come together, it will make BOTH stronger. If Odsal was revamped then I would support City moving there to escape the crippling overheads at VP. If Odsal is not to be developed then the Council should cut its losses, spend £5m on buying VP, hand the ownership to a non-profitmaking community group and fill Odsal in and sell it for housing. What cannot happen is more drift and more feasibility studies.

Pippin wrote:

intruder3906 wrote:
Well after 40 years being a Bulls supporter i will definately state here and now i will not be going to VP....Like some have said here today i would prefere the club to drop the Bradford part of the name and move out of the city completely...I feel for the city fans on here who every time this debate opens fight their corner and say we (the Bulls ) must move to them, because of this and because of that....but it is in the most unfriendly hostile part of the city, and not one i would bring children to for the friday or saturday night games...so on that note, pull the Bulls out of the city altogether into somewhere run by a competant council who would welcome the income generated, and then we can close the door on this whole pathetic episode and leave the council to rot in this sh**hole they have created. I for one have had enough..

If you want to leave the city then go, I couldn't care two hoots whether the Bulls leave, it's not as if you generate any income in the city itself anyway, as most Bulls fans seem to become absolutely terrified if they venture outside a 2 inch radius of Odsal.

I am sure whichever council district you move into will be grateful to receive the few pence you generate on a match day.

Don't forget to turn the lights out when you go, theres a good chap.

few pence? it was mentioned the other day that the car parking alone holds 3000 cars...at £5 A GAME....that's £15,000 a Week...that's £210,000 a year! How many car parks rake that in near Valley Parade?
That's not to mention the corporation tax paid to Bradford Council, the burger vans in and around the ground, the pubs down Manchester Road, Huddersfield Road and Rooley Avenue. How about ask the Landlord at Cue Gardens, The Top House etc. if they want to see their weekend trade taken away. Then there's the turnstyle operators, the grounds staff, the bar staff in the ground...how would they fancy being out of work.
It's easy to care about yourselves when it doesn't affect you. You don't go to Odsal, that's your choice. I don't go watch Football and that's my choice.
Difference is, we've tried Valley Parade, we've been there, done that, got the t-shirt...and there weren't many calls by Bulls fans to stay there once we'd got there. Plenty of people on here saying "why should tax payers pay for this and that"...I'm a tax payer, 21% of my wage goes on tax. I buy a Bulls shirt, i get charged VAT. I drive to Odsal, I pay tax on Petrol & the right to use the roads AND I live in Bradford so I pay council tax. Do I want to see a new Stadium in Bradford? yes, I do...not because it's for the Bulls, but because what else have we got to be proud of?
You wander around the "town centre" and it's derelict. There are more empty shops than open ones. Bradford is a joke. It's shameful. I travel all over the country for work and there isn't a single city in the UK that is as embarrassing as this one.

bingleybantam wrote:
What a surprise OSV bites the dust. Didn't see that coming. If the Bulls want Odsal redeveloped then let them fund it. I'm sick of "Rugby on the Rates". Already one 25,000 all seater stadium in Bradford that has cost Bradford Council nothing. Come on down to VP and share the costs and both clubs are in a win win situation. Use the money saved to build a new sports centre/training facilities at "the hole". Which will be easy to access for the whole of the Bradford district not just those that live near the M62/M606.

Makes alot of sense to share a stadium, they have been banging on about developing Odsal for years, and it will never happen, they just don't have the money to do it, at least if they move to VP, they will have a decent ground, which is easily accessable for all the people of Bradford, and not just those who live near Odsal, wake up and smell the coffee.

Bradford council are a disgrace we were once the pride of Bradford. A premier footballing side , World champion Rugby team & what now a football club sliding further down the tables A rugby club trying to cling onto its glory days doing a great job with limited resources. Bradford is finished as a city no vision , no pride just negative excusses from a poorly run council. To make matters worse there is no end in sight for the City center developments or town center facilities Bradford is just a dump. I dont blame anyone for leaving this town. We can only hope that the two once great clubs can get together & salvage something I think its the only way. Valley Parade is a good ground & I would have no problem going there Odsal is a big hole in the ground that has been waiting 20 years for a re-development , this is the final straw so just fill it in & have done with it.

This city is finished. I hate my home town and I hate the politics and the incompetents that have ruined it. Leeds flourishes and has money to throw around on new arenas etc. Why? If Bradford council were a private business they would have gone bust years ago.
This was not just about the Bulls it was about a top rate sporting facility that would have benefited the people of this city for generations and once again we have been failed!
I am disgusted!

The Bradford and Halifax Bulls it is for me!

Adey wrote:

reportmeagain wrote:

irish bantam wrote:
Time now for mr hood to eat his humble pie and realise that the only way forward is to come on down to our un fashionable valley parade.....which is and always will be his best option.The atmosphere would be better than up at that tip at odsal and the facilities are far better .......only the stubborn hood thinks different.

Why not just fold the Bulls they are rubbish,its a poor game a rubbish tip with grass on it and they are poorly supported why should the people of Bradford have to pay anything to keep a minority so called sport going,close it and put a mosque in its place.

As opposed to the all conquering Bradford City? I forgot that the Bantams were in the top flight, playing in the champions league and running rings around Man Utd.
I'm with Spanglish, time for the Bulls to move out of Bradford. We'll all take our hard earned cash and put it into Calderdale Council every week. When no one uses Richard Dunn Sports Centre it'll get closed down, the Corporate Tax that they would have been getting from the Bulls as a Business can go somewhere else and, to be honest, I wouldn't mind a 45min journey into Halifax to watch the Rugby. This city has gone to the dogs. Might as well let them wallow in the pit they've created.

Not sure what the Corporate Tax issue is that you are talking about as all business rates etc are paid directly to the government and not the councils. The government then uses this money to give the annual grants to each council, this grant is not dependant on the amount of money the government gets from a certain area.

Hands up all those who actually thought this village would go ahead. With Bradford Councils track record of redevelopment you must be living in cloud cuckoo land

Spionkop,
Do you have inside information that Mr Gibb would accept Five Million pounds for Valley Parade,sounds cheap to me at that rate.

What a joke !!! I would rather have the sooty and sweep running the council !!!

Bradford Council couldn't organise a pee up in a brewery, useless the lot of 'em.

BRADFORD NEEDS 2 TOP SPORTS TEAMS. We used to have 3 if you count the Park Ave days when cricket was played there by Yorkshire we need a decent venue for both sets of fans to watch thier desired sport & maybe the odd pop concert could be held at that venue too. We need money coming into Bradford so we can regenerate it to the good old days not going out and sharing with a nearby town, we may aswell approach Barcelona and ask to share there stadium, I mean it does nothing in summer except allow tourists in. Come on join forces help get Braford on the map. City playing Man U at the theater of dreams and Bulls basking in the glory of winning a final there again

Northern Soul wrote:
BRADFORD NEEDS 2 TOP SPORTS TEAMS. We used to have 3 if you count the Park Ave days when cricket was played there by Yorkshire we need a decent venue for both sets of fans to watch thier desired sport & maybe the odd pop concert could be held at that venue too. We need money coming into Bradford so we can regenerate it to the good old days not going out and sharing with a nearby town, we may aswell approach Barcelona and ask to share there stadium, I mean it does nothing in summer except allow tourists in. Come on join forces help get Braford on the map. City playing Man U at the theater of dreams and Bulls basking in the glory of winning a final there again

Dream on mate the only superdome we'll get in Bradford with this council will be on a derelict property or a raft of council funded mosques.
Accept that this is now an islamic city whose council panders to all the needs of one specific racial group!

Storck wrote:

Adey wrote:

reportmeagain wrote:

irish bantam wrote:
Time now for mr hood to eat his humble pie and realise that the only way forward is to come on down to our un fashionable valley parade.....which is and always will be his best option.The atmosphere would be better than up at that tip at odsal and the facilities are far better .......only the stubborn hood thinks different.

Why not just fold the Bulls they are rubbish,its a poor game a rubbish tip with grass on it and they are poorly supported why should the people of Bradford have to pay anything to keep a minority so called sport going,close it and put a mosque in its place.

As opposed to the all conquering Bradford City? I forgot that the Bantams were in the top flight, playing in the champions league and running rings around Man Utd.
I'm with Spanglish, time for the Bulls to move out of Bradford. We'll all take our hard earned cash and put it into Calderdale Council every week. When no one uses Richard Dunn Sports Centre it'll get closed down, the Corporate Tax that they would have been getting from the Bulls as a Business can go somewhere else and, to be honest, I wouldn't mind a 45min journey into Halifax to watch the Rugby. This city has gone to the dogs. Might as well let them wallow in the pit they've created.

Not sure what the Corporate Tax issue is that you are talking about as all business rates etc are paid directly to the government and not the councils. The government then uses this money to give the annual grants to each council, this grant is not dependant on the amount of money the government gets from a certain area.

And that money is where exactly? regardless of how much is paid, like you said, the grants are evenly distributed...so where is it being spent?
They spent millions building Centenary Square and now they plan to flood it and build a park around it. Then they're gonna build a park on the old Broadway site...so we won't get a Stadium that might actually bring some revenue in, but we can all go sit in the two really big parks in the Town Centre on a nice warm day. I take it that because Grass grows in abundance and 2/3 of the planet is already water, that we can all expect a reduction in our Council Tax bills as we don't have to pay for Bricks & Mortar?

therise wrote:
What we need is a purpose built stadium so that the Bulls and Bantams can share a ground like Hull, Wigan, Huddersfield and the likes, where there is ample parking and no clogging up of the adjoining streets. I wish the die-hards from both sides would get rid of this 'I don't want to move grounds' syndrome. It is time to move forward.

Spot on therise: a new stadium is exactly what is needed and not just for the sake of sports fans either. There have been few positives associated with the city of Bradford over the last decade except perhaps sporting success with Bradford Bulls and Bradford City. This “win win” image should be at the centre of the “thinking” from the town hall. It seems to me if you want to improve the image of Bradford focus on what is successful. One way to achieve this would be to build a new stadium at the centre of the city on the stalled Westfield/Broadway site.
HOW
Kick Westfield out of Broadway, it is our property and they have had their chance to develop it. Win: a site to build a stadium costing nowt.
Sell Odsal to the developers I’m sure they would like to build some concrete monstrosity there and it is of no use to the Bulls unless developed. Win: £4 to £5 Million.
Invite the Bantams to join the scheme saving them £3M per year which they might invest in a new venue, valley parade is too expensive and in the wrong spot. Win: £2Million.
Add a few retail outlets for lease etc may find a bit more interest from the likes of Debenhams if they know that approximately 10,000 spectators will be in the vicinity twice a week instead of the steady stream of beggars and worse that inhabit the city centre at present. Win: Partnership with committed, properly contracted, developer.
This would indeed be building on success and moving forward, instead of wallowing in self pity and back biting.
Our predecessors did not wait for the feasability study they built a city from a convenient crossing place on a very minor stream.
Finally, to the council executive the above is as good a feasability study as any of your previous ones so just add the £1.2Million feasability study fee to the list of wins, no need for a study it's already done. Sketch to follow.

Well, here goes. I've been reading these comments for many months now, but never got worked up enough to reply. This topic really gets up my nose though! Been a Northern/Bulls supporter for over 40 years, lived in south Bradford all that time, so, yes Odsal is the only place for me. For years the council has never had the sense (or political will) to invest in what should be the best stadium in rugby league, but that's politics for you, maybe rl fans don't have enough votes to offer, or aren't the politically correct group of preference. If you have to ground share forget Valley Parade, I remember when we had to share with them and I don't want to go through that again. I'm not keen on Halifax either, if we share with them, it's obvious one team would have to go, and it wouldn't be Halifax would it? Let's be a bit more radical. Why not get out of Bradford, just over the border in Kirklees there's Cleckheaton RUFC, part of the Cleckheaton Sports Club set up (which includes cricket and bowling). There's already a rugby pitch, the site appears to have plenty of parking nearby (on a big industrial estate which could be used at weekends). It's only about 100 yards from Junction 26 on the M62 right at the bottom of the M606 about 3 miles from Odsal. A few pubs nearby too! Maybe the Bulls could make them an offer they couldn't refuse, if I remember rightly the Sports Club were rubbing their hands with glee when it looked like Asda were going to build a supermarket on their site and relocate them up the road a bit. Even if we had to share, I'd rather share with the ra-ra boys than the handbag brigade! Bulls will survive!

The council need to but Valley Parade as soon as possible, improve it and then the Bulls should groundshare as equal tenants.

It is really the only sensible option available.

silverbantam wrote:
The council need to but Valley Parade as soon as possible, improve it and then the Bulls should groundshare as equal tenants.

It is really the only sensible option available.

Obviously I meant BUY Valley Parade.

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
What I would like to know is if the Bulls do actually move to V.P. will they basically give the season tickets away as City do now to keep a level playing field for both clubs or will City have to substantially raise the prices of their season tickets to come in line with the Bulls.As I have already asked,it is not their ground,who will make that decision,Mr Gibb maybe.My own preference would be to move from the city altogether and merge with Halifax rather than spend money in the dump of a town that is Bradford.

Bradford City 'lease' the stadia from Gibbs Pension Trust. They pay them £x each year for that lease and as such, can charge what they like for tickets and allow who they want to perform there, almost like sub-letting!

As such, if Bradford City and the Bulls want to share, it is up to those clubs to come to an agreement. Gibbs cannot dictate who can play there as we are fulfilling our contract with them under the lease. This is why we were allowed to put on under 20 games last year and have tried to entice 'performers' to hold their gigs there.

As for the season ticket prices, that would be set by each club separately. Why should it matter if we sell tickets at £100 and the Bulls set theirs at £150? Each club would equally share the ground and therefore go half towards the costs etc. How they raise the funds to do this, is up to each club. If City feel they can pay their half and the wages of the staff/players by charging just £100, then so-be-it.

What I do resent is the amount of money our council has thrown away on this scheme and continue to do so. Time to vote for change in the forthcoming elections!

It is quite amazing that no-one, repeat no-one, was surprised at this decision. Call us cyhnics but when you have lived in Bradford for a while the cynics and the sceptics become the pragmatists. Like failed states around the world (just watch the nine-o'clock news), Bradford is a failed city. With Rugby League being predominantly a WASP-supported sport and with Bradford seeing that ethnic group in terminal decline, it seems logical that the only future on offer for the Bulls is to move up and out. This is said with a heavy heart but face facts Bradford is not the place it was three years ago let alone thirty. Misguided politicians who believed that integration was achieveable and that British ways and habits would be assimilated have seen their dreams exploded but refuse to accept reality. What about ground-sharing with Park Avenue at Horsfall? Ripe for development, easy access to the motorway, still in Bradford, but the right part, with plenty of space for developing parking, a recreation area for the kids next door and Tesco's on the road for the wife to go shopping whilst you watch the game. But if we have lost faith with Bradford Council, down the road to Cleckuddersfax sounds like the only option.

Tricky Dicky wrote:
It is quite amazing that no-one, repeat no-one, was surprised at this decision. Call us cyhnics but when you have lived in Bradford for a while the cynics and the sceptics become the pragmatists. Like failed states around the world (just watch the nine-o'clock news), Bradford is a failed city. With Rugby League being predominantly a WASP-supported sport and with Bradford seeing that ethnic group in terminal decline, it seems logical that the only future on offer for the Bulls is to move up and out. This is said with a heavy heart but face facts Bradford is not the place it was three years ago let alone thirty. Misguided politicians who believed that integration was achieveable and that British ways and habits would be assimilated have seen their dreams exploded but refuse to accept reality. What about ground-sharing with Park Avenue at Horsfall? Ripe for development, easy access to the motorway, still in Bradford, but the right part, with plenty of space for developing parking, a recreation area for the kids next door and Tesco's on the road for the wife to go shopping whilst you watch the game. But if we have lost faith with Bradford Council, down the road to Cleckuddersfax sounds like the only option.

I think it's safe to say Tricky that it was expected. The trouble is, will they now expect the Bulls to move to Valley Parade as a default option? Personally, if I was Peter Hood, that would be my last option. The last thing the club needs is crippling rent on a shared ground. Coupled with the fact that Bradford hasn't done a single thing to help either team out (lets face it, they could have bought Valley Parade a long long time ago and who knows where the football team might have been now if they had). I just don't see the point in hanging around in a Town that clearly doesn't want the team there and part of me hopes that the decision does push the team out of Bradford Council district.

Just a thought,What would have been the outcome if the project had have been called,The Asian Sports Centre,the largest in the U.K.Methinks money would have been thrown at it.Just a thought.

Adey wrote:

Pippin wrote:

intruder3906 wrote: Well after 40 years being a Bulls supporter i will definately state here and now i will not be going to VP....Like some have said here today i would prefere the club to drop the Bradford part of the name and move out of the city completely...I feel for the city fans on here who every time this debate opens fight their corner and say we (the Bulls ) must move to them, because of this and because of that....but it is in the most unfriendly hostile part of the city, and not one i would bring children to for the friday or saturday night games...so on that note, pull the Bulls out of the city altogether into somewhere run by a competant council who would welcome the income generated, and then we can close the door on this whole pathetic episode and leave the council to rot in this sh**hole they have created. I for one have had enough..

If you want to leave the city then go, I couldn't care two hoots whether the Bulls leave, it's not as if you generate any income in the city itself anyway, as most Bulls fans seem to become absolutely terrified if they venture outside a 2 inch radius of Odsal. I am sure whichever council district you move into will be grateful to receive the few pence you generate on a match day. Don't forget to turn the lights out when you go, theres a good chap.

few pence? it was mentioned the other day that the car parking alone holds 3000 cars...at £5 A GAME....that's £15,000 a Week...that's £210,000 a year! How many car parks rake that in near Valley Parade? That's not to mention the corporation tax paid to Bradford Council, the burger vans in and around the ground, the pubs down Manchester Road, Huddersfield Road and Rooley Avenue. How about ask the Landlord at Cue Gardens, The Top House etc. if they want to see their weekend trade taken away. Then there's the turnstyle operators, the grounds staff, the bar staff in the ground...how would they fancy being out of work. It's easy to care about yourselves when it doesn't affect you. You don't go to Odsal, that's your choice. I don't go watch Football and that's my choice. Difference is, we've tried Valley Parade, we've been there, done that, got the t-shirt...and there weren't many calls by Bulls fans to stay there once we'd got there. Plenty of people on here saying "why should tax payers pay for this and that"...I'm a tax payer, 21% of my wage goes on tax. I buy a Bulls shirt, i get charged VAT. I drive to Odsal, I pay tax on Petrol & the right to use the roads AND I live in Bradford so I pay council tax. Do I want to see a new Stadium in Bradford? yes, I do...not because it's for the Bulls, but because what else have we got to be proud of? You wander around the "town centre" and it's derelict. There are more empty shops than open ones. Bradford is a joke. It's shameful. I travel all over the country for work and there isn't a single city in the UK that is as embarrassing as this one.

The car parking you mention, is that in the Richard Dunne centre, a facility that you already pay for through your council tax, does all this money go to the council, or is it shared?

I know there aren't many car parks around Valley Parade, but there is plenty of street parking on Midland Road,whic should be ample for your current needs, there is a car park on Midland Road that charges £3.00, so you have a saving there, don't give me the baloney that it's not safe round there, I park there every week, including in the dark, and never had a problem, sure cars are broken into round there, but I wouldn't have thought it was on the massive scale that you and your fellow supporters think it is.

The Corporation Tax has been mentioned elsewhere by another poster, the pubs you have mentioned in and around Manchester Road, Hudderfield Road, and Rooley Avenue, will no doubt miss the trade generated on a match day, the turnstile operators, ground staff, and the bar staff in the ground will obviously be gutted about losing thier jobs, but if a sizeable portion of Bulls fans want to relocate somewhere else, there's not a lot they can do about it.

I do go to Odsal from time to time, went quite a lot in 1985, and have been on the odd occassion since, it's not the most salubrious of venues, but in 1985 we were glad of it, but bear in mind that the place is essentially in the same state as when we were there all those years ago.

It's all well and good saying it's easy to say we care about ourselves when it doesn't affect us, well it does affect us, as we pay Council Tax as well as Bulls fans, and I reckon there are a lot more pressing concerns for whatever the limited amount of money is available, rather than pouring into a new stadium at Odsal, or anywhere else for that matter, when there is a perfectly good facility at Valley Parade.

You state that 21% of your wage goes on tax, I presume you mean Income Tax, this goes to the Government, not the Council,the VAT you pay on your Bulls shirt also goes to the Government,as does the tax on petrol and Road Tax, so if you move elswhere the Council isn't going to suffer on that score.

You rightly state that you also pay Council Tax, as do most Bradfordians, I reckon if you did a straw poll and asked if any of that money should be put towards building a new facility for a PRIVATE COMPANY, I, and I suspect, even you could probably guess the result.

Even in the highly unlikely event of the project going ahead would it magically transform the fortunes of the City of Bradford, no it wouldn't, the same empty shops would be there, and the problems that Bradford has, as do a number of other cities would also still be there.

You don't want to go to VP, the new stadium is not going ahead, seems you and your cohorts have backed yourselves into a corner, there is only one more thing to say, and that's adios.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Had to LOL when I saw the news.
As long as I've got a hole in my arse the OSV was NEVER going to happen.
Yet more money down the drain.
Also:No Bulls at Valley parade, you only have to take a look at the pitches at Wigan etc to see it doesn't work.

@Pippin...well adios gets my vote. re-reading through the posts on this subject it seems it has become on here anyway a battle between fans and nothing more. I really do think that Bradford council will Never improve Odsal, and they will never buy VP so the only eventual outcome i can see is the Bulls sadly leaving Odsal and Bradford altogether, and leaving the city fans to moan about other things football/lease related by themselves...it is a great shame that a city with 2 sports clubs cant share a stadium but because of the VP lease situation sharing will never be the permanent outcome here...Sadly the Bulls need to move out of Bradford and leave City to resolve their own problems.

This was never going to happen, and anyone that thought it was is dillusional. There are better cities and towns in the area for jobs and prospects in most walks of life. There are some areas which are going backwards, Bradford has been for a long time, but Dewsbury is really starting to go downhill big time.

It will never happen this Odsal Village and if it was outside investment, is Bradford an attractive proporsition as say Leeds, Huddersfield or even on the outskirts of Manchester.

The Boz wrote:
This was never going to happen, and anyone that thought it was is dillusional. There are better cities and towns in the area for jobs and prospects in most walks of life. There are some areas which are going backwards, Bradford has been for a long time, but Dewsbury is really starting to go downhill big time. It will never happen this Odsal Village and if it was outside investment, is Bradford an attractive proporsition as say Leeds, Huddersfield or even on the outskirts of Manchester.

Boz you are absolutely correct about places going backward, some parts of Dewsbury are definately now no go areas, savilletown especially is now a battleground for asylum seekers versus the asian population...that said, it still doesnt help the topic of conversation, but what it does illustrate is these places which have massive asian populations now, will only attract investment from asian communities in the future..and before anyone throws the racist card at me that couldnt be further from the truth.....this especially is true of Bradford, investors must be able to see a long term future and sadly wherever you are in the world if you say you are from Bradford the replies i have had have been very negative...

Realistically the Bulls have 2 options (moving from Bradford will never realistically happen):
1. Re-develop Odsal stadium themselves
2. Move to Valley Parade
Based on the announced OSV options A to E, it appears that to install a roof over the open terracing at Odsal (no new seating) would cost about £10M. Alternatively, to build a roof plus seating and corporate facilities along just the open side of the ground would cost up to £11M. The Bulls should declare whether they have ANY funds themselves to develop Odsal. If not, the only option is to negotiate a move to Valley Parade. Hopefully the latter would include the purchase of VP from Gibb by a partnership consisting of City, Bulls and the Council, and some further ground development to accommodate teh Bulls.
OSV could then be developed, without rugby, at a future date, when funds became available and a genuine plan was developed for sport in Bradford rather than the current fudged palns.

If the people on here are representative, then the Bulls have to leave Bradford but to where? And frankly, you might find that most other cities suffer from similar problems in the 21st century. Don't judge Leeds and Manchester on their centres alone. The inner cities and estates of both cities are every bit as bad, if not worse, than Bradford's. anyway, that's a another debate.

It is absolutely astonishing that none of the options to council are investigating involve the abandonment of Odsal. Is it any wonder that the fans of City and Keighley resent the favouritism shown to the Bulls? The £4.6m the Bulls got from the council bankrolled the world champion team. So to say, as some have, that the council have never given anything to the Bulls is stretching credibility to breaking point. Please at least show some humility. If the council now hand the Bulls a new ground there will rightly be uproar.

Here's an idea. Buy VP, and yes spanish bloke the ground was privately offered for sale for £5m fairly recently, though Gibb could now sit back and hold the city of Bradford to ransom, so the price may go up, but it will be a lot cheaper than any of the £20 or £30m options being investigated. It should become the City of Bradford Stadium and be placed in the ownership of a non-profitmaking co-operative involving City and Bulls fans. Lawkholme Lane, and its adjacent cricket ground should be made into a facility where Keighley and the second teams of City and the Bulls play. The adjacent cricket pitch made into an indoor full sized training facility for the Bulls, City and Keighley, with Marley used as the outdoor facility. Then ALL THREE of our Districts clubs would benefit and not just ONE.

Spionkop.Thanks for the information regarding the offer to purchase the ground for5 million pounds,I genuinely had obviously missed that news.Everything you say in your proposition does make genuine common sense,but as you know this is Bradford council you are talking about here,when have they ever used any common sense so unfortunately it will not happpen.

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Spionkop.Thanks for the information regarding the offer to purchase the ground for5 million pounds,I genuinely had obviously missed that news.Everything you say in your proposition does make genuine common sense,but as you know this is Bradford council you are talking about here,when have they ever used any common sense so unfortunately it will not happpen.

I have not seen the offer to sell the ground for £5 million either! Could somebody provide the evidence?

lonniejockstrap wrote:

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Spionkop.Thanks for the information regarding the offer to purchase the ground for5 million pounds,I genuinely had obviously missed that news.Everything you say in your proposition does make genuine common sense,but as you know this is Bradford council you are talking about here,when have they ever used any common sense so unfortunately it will not happpen.

I have not seen the offer to sell the ground for £5 million either! Could somebody provide the evidence?

I'll take it that there is no evidence then.

There is always a Chance of Odsal being re-developed, but there is absolutely NO chance of VP being upgraded developed or call it what you will purley because of its location, the council should buy VP from the current owners then sell it on to the "local community" who im sure would appreciate it, then use any funds from the sale into making Odsal fit for use of both clubs...