Islamic message of peace on Bradford buses (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)
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Islamic message of peace on Bradford buses
8:00am Monday 22nd March 2010 in
Muslim messages of peace are being spread across Bradford on buses.
The campaign by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association of Bradford aims to assert the Islamic principles of peaceful co-existence as part of a nationwide effort against extremism.
Dr Mohammed Iqbal, president of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association of Bradford North, said: “The true peaceful Islam is poles apart from the hatred that is preached by a minority.
“Such extremists do not represent Islam. Yet through their exploitation of the media, their words and deeds have a damaging impact on community relations and the daily lives of Muslims and non-Muslims.
“By emphasising the values highlighted in this campaign we hope to facilitate a better understanding of Islam so that people are able to judge for themselves the actions of those who claim to speak and act in its good name.
“Islam stresses the promotion of peace in words and deeds.”
Hadhrat Mirza Marsoor Ahmad, worldwide leader of the International Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, said: “A true Muslim can never raise his voice in hatred against his fellow citizens, nor for that matter against the ruling authority or Government of the time.
“He should remain loyal and fully abide by the laws of the land of which he is a subject.”
Shipley Conservative MP Philip Davies has expressed his support for the campaign.
He said: “The initiative will bring communities closer together. By condemning extremism in a peaceful way the campaign will promote a better understanding of Islam and help with community cohesion.”
Later this month posters will also go up at train stations across West Yorkshire, including Bradford Interchange.
Kirklees Council chief executive Rob Vincent has also offered his support for the campaign.
He said: “The Ahmadiyya Muslims have always been quick to bring people together in Kirklees, to respond to challenges that we all face.
“The peace campaign is a timely and determined effort to share understanding of the emphasis on peace and harmony in Islam. It seems a strong initiative to me.”
For more details about the campaign go to loveforallhatredfornone.org.
Comments(34)
East_Bowling_Bantam
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8:55am Mon 22 Mar 10
Axees wrote:I agree with the above comment that they are not muslim and simply go under the banner of Islam. However, extremists are not muslim neither they are directed in their actions by hate, similar to Hitlers Nazi party or modern-day Britains BNP. Any form of right wing thinking or terrorist acts are down to the evil in those people and not the view of the people they suggest they represent.
The Ahmadiyya Muslims association are not muslim, They are known as Qadiyanis Google them and see their deviated beliefs. They believe there was a prophet after Mohammed which is totally against Islamic Belief
Why is the T&A giving this group so much coverage truely baffles me.
Hitler did NOT represent the German people.
The BNP to not represent the indigenous British people.
Islamic extremists do not represent Muslims.
And finally Ahmaddiyahs are NOT muslim. The posters are propoganda to spread their twisted belief. Be warned!
bredandbuttered
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8:56am Mon 22 Mar 10
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad founded the movement on 23 March 1889 and termed it the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at (community), envisioning it to be a revitalisation of Islam. Ahmadis consider themselves Muslims and claim to practice Islam in its pristine form; however, Ahmadiyya views on certain beliefs in Islam have been controversial to mainstream Muslims since the movement’s birth. Many mainstream Muslims do not consider Ahmadis to be Muslims, citing in particular the Ahmadiyya viewpoint on the death and return of Jesus (see Jesus in Islam), the Ahmadiyya concept of Jihad and the community’s view of the finality of prophethood with particular reference to the interpretation of Qur'an 33:40. In many Islamic countries today Ahmadis have been marginalised by the majority religious community; severe persecution and often systematic oppression have led many Ahmadis to emigrate and settle elsewhere.
Pakistan has 4 million Ahmadis and is the only state to have officially declared the Ahmadis to be non-Muslims;
That from Wikipedia.
We should welcome any message of peace, but will it be effective, coming from this tiny marginalised Muslim sect, that others consider non-believers?
They sound like considerate people to me, but I also believe in tolerance, peace and respect, and don't need converting
Fingers crossed.
mad matt
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9:03am Mon 22 Mar 10
I am just thankful that I don't believe any of at at all.
Don't get me wrong, if people want to follow a religion then I can't see any problem with that. I just hope that they understand what they are following.
bredandbuttered
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9:11am Mon 22 Mar 10
mad matt wrote:I like that phrase, "ordinary man in the street", because thats how we are born, and how we die. We don't need any beliefs other than that.
Every religion seems to have it's own extremists. How is the ordinary 'man in the street' supposed to be able to understand any of it? I am just thankful that I don't believe any of at at all. Don't get me wrong, if people want to follow a religion then I can't see any problem with that. I just hope that they understand what they are following.
Religion is considered by some as merely a set of rules laid out by disciples after the death of the prophet or spiritual teacher of the time, with the sole intent of perverting the teachers message into one of blind belief. Indeed some so called prophets have invented a religion just to keep the less well-behaved populace in fear of god to stop them fornicating and thieving their way through life.
Mekon
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9:18am Mon 22 Mar 10
bredandbuttered
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9:27am Mon 22 Mar 10
Mekon wrote:There is one leader of all of us, but he's within and not without.
Until there's one voice, one leader of the Muslim religion there will always be discord, trouble and factions. This is the first thing Muslims need to do to solve the issue they have among themselves 'and' with everyone else.
Religious texts such as the Bible and Quran just confuse matters as those who believe the word think it's the word of God.
You might as well read the Yellow pages.
Joedavid
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10:13am Mon 22 Mar 10
Mekon
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10:19am Mon 22 Mar 10
bredandbuttered wrote:Yes its not the word of God is it, its the words of men.
Mekon wrote:There is one leader of all of us, but he's within and not without.
Until there's one voice, one leader of the Muslim religion there will always be discord, trouble and factions. This is the first thing Muslims need to do to solve the issue they have among themselves 'and' with everyone else.
Religious texts such as the Bible and Quran just confuse matters as those who believe the word think it's the word of God.
You might as well read the Yellow pages.
People should have a read of Will Self's Book of Dave, its very interesting.
KRIS2233
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10:42am Mon 22 Mar 10
BertSanders
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11:00am Mon 22 Mar 10
PHILISAN
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11:19am Mon 22 Mar 10
dan155
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12:22pm Mon 22 Mar 10
bredandbuttered
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12:54pm Mon 22 Mar 10
dan155 wrote:Well said Dan, lets give out some love at least.
I feel sorry for Ahmadiyya's because they are a minority who are persecuted by mainstream Muslims as heretics. They seem to be persecuted in whatever majority Muslim country they find themselves in, and that's reason enough for me to like them.
The moderates are always persecuted by the fanatics, because you can't control someone who carries a message of peace, because you cannot sow the seeds of mistrust and hatred in their hearts.
Dave_Smithwell
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1:39pm Mon 22 Mar 10
Axees wrote:Even though they're not regarded as Muslims, the message they're sending out must be supported and applauded.
The Ahmadiyya Muslims association are not muslim, They are known as Qadiyanis Google them and see their deviated beliefs. They believe there was a prophet after Mohammed which is totally against Islamic Belief
Why is the T&A giving this group so much coverage truely baffles me.
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Everyone can agree on that.
thecitygent
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2:59pm Mon 22 Mar 10
bredandbuttered wrote:Frankly the Yellow Pages would have more credibility. At least there wouldn't be a tortuous debate about authenticity and interpretation. Besides you'd have the Advertising Standards Board to appeal to. I wouldn't allow any religious advertising on buses. The only positive thing i can see is that it helps subsidise bus fares.
Mekon wrote: Until there's one voice, one leader of the Muslim religion there will always be discord, trouble and factions. This is the first thing Muslims need to do to solve the issue they have among themselves 'and' with everyone else.There is one leader of all of us, but he's within and not without. Religious texts such as the Bible and Quran just confuse matters as those who believe the word think it's the word of God. You might as well read the Yellow pages.
Welcome To The New World Order
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3:42pm Mon 22 Mar 10
Axees wrote:But there WAS a prophet after Mohammed, in fact a great many prophets, but the one I am mainly referring to here is Bahá'u'lláh. Mohammed was not the "final prophet", such a notion is ludicrous as God's revelation is ongoing, and the nature of Divine Truth is *progressive*.
The Ahmadiyya Muslims association are not muslim, They are known as Qadiyanis Google them and see their deviated beliefs. They believe there was a prophet after Mohammed which is totally against Islamic Belief
Why is the T&A giving this group so much coverage truely baffles me.
happy hour
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6:07pm Mon 22 Mar 10
Zenithcd150
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8:36pm Mon 22 Mar 10
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So why is the picture a Halifax bus?, And why has this same comment been deleted earlier? lol.
Freddy Elliot
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10:20pm Mon 22 Mar 10
Zenithcd150 wrote:Same reason as for my post been removed. You know how sensitive people can be these days.
"Islamic message of peace on Bradford buses" . So why is the picture a Halifax bus?, And why has this same comment been deleted earlier? lol.
Muslimvoice
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10:59pm Mon 22 Mar 10
Muhammad way the only success
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1:53am Tue 23 Mar 10
s.k
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2:26am Tue 23 Mar 10
Dave_Smithwell wrote:Agree!..although they're not considered muslim...they are spreadin a peacefull islamic message!..good on them =)
Axees wrote:Even though they're not regarded as Muslims, the message they're sending out must be supported and applauded.
The Ahmadiyya Muslims association are not muslim, They are known as Qadiyanis Google them and see their deviated beliefs. They believe there was a prophet after Mohammed which is totally against Islamic Belief
Why is the T&A giving this group so much coverage truely baffles me.
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Everyone can agree on that.
bredandbuttered
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8:39am Tue 23 Mar 10
Muhammad way the only success wrote:Well I didn't know they were murderers. Thank you for enlightening me, good luck with your life and I hope you are successful.
They are not muslims its very simple for example if christians start calling themselves muslims without believing in prophet Muhammad(PBUH) will they become muslim?The purpose behind this is clear that to come on to the screen while on the other hand these non muslim are believed to be behind the killings of many Islamic scholars in Pakistan.
Meraypass
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12:38am Wed 24 Mar 10
Muhammad way the only success wrote:It seems it's the other way round...Mullahs are butchering and persecuting Ahmadis.
They are not muslims its very simple for example if christians start calling themselves muslims without believing in prophet Muhammad(PBUH) will they become muslim?The purpose behind this is clear that to come on to the screen while on the other hand these non muslim are believed to be behind the killings of many Islamic scholars in Pakistan.
PAKISTAN: Two murdered and 15 charged as discrimination against Ahmadis continues unabated
http://www.ahrchk.ne
t/statements/mainfil
e.php/2009statements
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4verage Jo
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6:17am Wed 24 Mar 10
Muslims believe that there is one Allah (swt) and Muhammad (PBUH) is his last Prophet.
If you don't believe that, you cannot be a Muslim.
Spreading peace is fine, labelling yourself Muslim when you're not, you must have a hidden agenda.
bredandbuttered
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9:41am Wed 24 Mar 10
Religion can help or hinder that so I'm not going to hold my breath.
Regarding Muhammad being the last prophet, that's just being greedy and stupid at the same time.
There's no proof he even was a prophet, any more than there is proof of the existence of Jesus.
Anyone who declares that is living on blind faith.
thecitygent
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9:46am Wed 24 Mar 10
Meraypass
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8:03pm Wed 24 Mar 10
If you don't believe that, you cannot be a Muslim."
That would make quiet a lot of Islamic scholars non-Muslims including Maulana Rumi, Qasim Nanuntwi (founder of deobandi group) and many others. See http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Khatim_an-N
abuwwah
This last prophet business is mostly wahabi inspired.
Nothing scares tyrants more than difference of opinion.
TirNaNog
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8:22pm Wed 24 Mar 10
Any message promoting peace should be welcomed no matter who it is from as long as it is genuine.
albion
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10:51am Thu 25 Mar 10
TirNaNog wrote:You should be aware that a large number of posts have been deleted from this thread.
Who'd have thought it? I was expecting the usual thread derailment by racists but instead it's the 'bus spotters' getting in on the act. Still makes a nice change!
Any message promoting peace should be welcomed no matter who it is from as long as it is genuine.
Lee
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3:18pm Thu 25 Mar 10
mad matt
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3:53pm Thu 25 Mar 10
happy hour wrote:Ooooo - you can't say things like that! Remember what happened to the headmaster of Drummond Road School many years ago, just because he suggested it might be a good idea to have free pre-school English classes to help non-English speaking children get sufficient command of English and thus help their future education and employment prospects.
A waste of money, they should spend money on improving the English language skills of the communities concerned so that they're later able to travel anywhere in the Country and compete properly in the Job market for roles that are going to non British born workers.
There were nearly riots in Drummond Road!
PTN
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6:40pm Thu 25 Mar 10
Dave_Smithwell wrote:Here Here
Axees wrote:Even though they're not regarded as Muslims, the message they're sending out must be supported and applauded.
The Ahmadiyya Muslims association are not muslim, They are known as Qadiyanis Google them and see their deviated beliefs. They believe there was a prophet after Mohammed which is totally against Islamic Belief
Why is the T&A giving this group so much coverage truely baffles me.
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Everyone can agree on that.
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Axees says...
8:41am Mon 22 Mar 10
Why is the T&A giving this group so much coverage truely baffles me.