Police swoop on Bradford building (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

ItchyBungle wrote:
There was the police, sat looking out of their windows at the police station bored after finishing their batman and beano comics (which are mainly used to form police policy these days) and they saw a bus coming into Bradford. Jim finishes looking at his copy of a well known womens weekly mag and he notices another bus, and then Sandra comes out of the loo and notices a Bus coming into Bradford. . When they noticed that the buses were not white and pink, had a white 'f' in a pink circle and that they was actually real people on these buses they went for a coffee. Whilst they were having coffee (sandra had to have Oveltine due to the varacus veins) they discussed the events of the evening. When they realised they saw 3 buses that were actually busy and coming into Leeds Jim said to Sandra "ello, 'ello 'ello something is going on here!" . Using Police Inteligence - or Asif as he is known (he was once on Weakest Link and got past the first round - which means he must be brainy!) and Asif laughed when he was told about buses being full and as he was watching a documentary about the ruins of Haiti and he needed something to do - so he got his team together (okay it was him, Jim, and Shim) and so they went out to see what was going on - when they realised there was a party and they had not been invited they decided to ruin it - like a child would after being told it can't draw on that paper - and so they made sure people got back on the bus without spending any money in Bradford whatsoever. . Morale of the story - if the police was to focus on the real crime that affects the citizens of Bradford rather than going for 'headline grabbing' stories we would all be less affected by crime!

Moon on a stick wrote:
I posted that before Rambo's comment, which makes a good point too, last time we had a Manchester event in the centre there was a fatal shooting and if I recall correctly no one has been convicted for it.
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The police pushed people along which isn't really "heavy" handed, if they were using watercannons and battons fare enough, that wasn't the case.

DeJaMy wrote:
@ Moon on a Stick. Well i see that you took my comments very personally and have replied by being insulting. So you say you did your time on the dance scene? So what does that mean - you are an expert. what dance scene would that be - clubbing by any chance?
I didn't suggest that there was never any trouble at these parties if you had read correctly i explained that trouble is USUALLY caused by persons who have chanced upon such events and i would like to add also trouble because the police (in this instance).
As for my being a tight wad - why on earth would i want to pay a tenner into a club where there is more chance i could be shot or glassed or something equally horrific. Plus the fact that clubs cater for mainstream tastes and i am certainly not mainstream.So in the event of trouble CCTV is of little comfort hence i would rather feel safe at a free party where it is UNLIKELY to occur.
I will let you off being insulting to myself and my intelligence as i suggest that, considering your so called experience of the dance scene, you know Jack and therefore you opinion is totally irrelevant to me. If you however put forward an intelligent debate then i am willing to listen.
All the best

Keep the peace wrote:
I watched from the sidelines. The only signs of aggression and anti social behaviour I saw were from a small number of police. Two policemen I saw were racing towards crowds shouting and roaring like animals. People were asking them to calm down and behave reasonably. Perhaps the police need training in how to deal with non violent gatherings in a non aggressive way.

I understand at least one young woman spent the night in hospital after being trampled as the police raced against the crowd.

Moon on a stick wrote:

DeJaMy wrote:
@ Moon on a Stick. Well i see that you took my comments very personally and have replied by being insulting. So you say you did your time on the dance scene? So what does that mean - you are an expert. what dance scene would that be - clubbing by any chance?
I didn't suggest that there was never any trouble at these parties if you had read correctly i explained that trouble is USUALLY caused by persons who have chanced upon such events and i would like to add also trouble because the police (in this instance).
As for my being a tight wad - why on earth would i want to pay a tenner into a club where there is more chance i could be shot or glassed or something equally horrific. Plus the fact that clubs cater for mainstream tastes and i am certainly not mainstream.So in the event of trouble CCTV is of little comfort hence i would rather feel safe at a free party where it is UNLIKELY to occur.
I will let you off being insulting to myself and my intelligence as i suggest that, considering your so called experience of the dance scene, you know Jack and therefore you opinion is totally irrelevant to me. If you however put forward an intelligent debate then i am willing to listen.
All the best

Personal, LMAO, excuse me whilst I pick myself back up off the floor, if you take me saying simply "stop being such a tight wad" as an insult I suggest you stay at home locked indoors as you'll hear far worse than that in the real world.
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Since you like free parties so much, post you parents address on here, and Facebook and let's arrange a free party there, I'm sure you will not mind any damage that occurs as a result, clearly being free such things could never happen.
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In this argument you have no moral high ground, you ain't leadin' but two things, right now, Jack and sh1t... and Jack left town...

bredandbuttered wrote:
Quote " I was that girl, if there were more like me I wouldn't be surprised. I was pushed into the building by the group because people at the back were being arrested I've been told. When I tripped on another girl, I saw lots of people trying to help me, lots of people trampling over me, at least 3 of those being in the police flourescent jackets. 1 of the police officers looked me in the eye, on the floor as I was screaming for help and shouted 'I don't care how you get out just GET OUT!' and pushed away one lad trying to help me up. Pathetic. There was no need for such aggression. We're not animals, though they feel it's ok to treat us like animals away from CCTV cameras."

If it was the case that the police were in any way culpable for causing injuries in such a sensitive and potentially very dangerous publicevacuation scenario, we should expect a very thorough investigation by a third party.

onefootintherave wrote:
@ Laroc30

Thank you, no really thank you, for basically killing anyone's argument against free parties. The common misconception is that all the people who go to free parties are jobless yobs who need something to do on Saturday night. However, we are a culture who seek to break away from the conformist nature of the mainstream culture, yes, away from the charts, Beyonce, Cheryl Cole and whatever else you'd find on 'Now 182'. Your blatant ignorance is not all your own doing though, the media has a lot to do with it, using their middle-class, story selling exploits to report on something they know nothing about. So we steer away from this mainstream culture and media, to break the chains of our conformist Britain, I personally think you're a conformist, who does have a job, does work full-time, for £6.50 per hour, goes home to your wife or partner, watch mind-numbing soaps, have one holiday a year and are just plainly your average Joe. I'd like to make a suggestion, if you're up for it, I will personally drive to Bradford and bring you to the next free party, take you to the location and allow you to witness the atmosphere. If you still think we're all jobless thugs, then that is your decision, but please don't express such ignorance in something you know nothing about.

PapaD wrote:
That Buildings been sat there doing Naff all for years mate! Its amazing how much of a kick up the arse it gives to someone to act once someone else finds use for something that they are just leavingt to gather dust and profit.

DeJaMy wrote:
In reply to Moon on a Stick and Rambo. Have you ever been to an illegal rave or more appropriately free party? If so then you would know that these things are nothing to do with so called gansters. You don't get shootings at parties, you rarely get trouble of any kind because the people who go to them just want to dance and have a nice time and go to them with a likemindedness. If there is trouble it will usually stem from persons who may chance upon such events who do not know the code of behaviour of ravers. Having been to plenty i know this as fact. The bigger worry is people who are boozing it up in legal nightclubs which leads to more aggressive behaviour - i wonder how many fights broke out on Saturday night in Bradfords clubs along side the amount of trouble nationwide from alcohol. If the Police - like they have done in the past at other parties i have been to, left it be but yet had a couple of officers keeping an eye on things (which would have freed up all those officers to deal with the real crime) all those attending would have had a good time, gone home the day after and for all intense and purposes, to the general public, it would not have happened.

albion wrote:

onefootintherave wrote: @ Laroc30 Thank you, no really thank you, for basically killing anyone's argument against free parties. The common misconception is that all the people who go to free parties are jobless yobs who need something to do on Saturday night. However, we are a culture who seek to break away from the conformist nature of the mainstream culture, yes, away from the charts, Beyonce, Cheryl Cole and whatever else you'd find on 'Now 182'. Your blatant ignorance is not all your own doing though, the media has a lot to do with it, using their middle-class, story selling exploits to report on something they know nothing about. So we steer away from this mainstream culture and media, to break the chains of our conformist Britain, I personally think you're a conformist, who does have a job, does work full-time, for £6.50 per hour, goes home to your wife or partner, watch mind-numbing soaps, have one holiday a year and are just plainly your average Joe. I'd like to make a suggestion, if you're up for it, I will personally drive to Bradford and bring you to the next free party, take you to the location and allow you to witness the atmosphere. If you still think we're all jobless thugs, then that is your decision, but please don't express such ignorance in something you know nothing about.

It was illegal to break into someone elses property and attempt to host an event which wasnt insured or had adequate safety equipment, the police did a poor job (they should have used shotguns).

ErnestPBarroclough wrote:

albion wrote:

onefootintherave wrote: @ Laroc30 Thank you, no really thank you, for basically killing anyone's argument against free parties. The common misconception is that all the people who go to free parties are jobless yobs who need something to do on Saturday night. However, we are a culture who seek to break away from the conformist nature of the mainstream culture, yes, away from the charts, Beyonce, Cheryl Cole and whatever else you'd find on 'Now 182'. Your blatant ignorance is not all your own doing though, the media has a lot to do with it, using their middle-class, story selling exploits to report on something they know nothing about. So we steer away from this mainstream culture and media, to break the chains of our conformist Britain, I personally think you're a conformist, who does have a job, does work full-time, for £6.50 per hour, goes home to your wife or partner, watch mind-numbing soaps, have one holiday a year and are just plainly your average Joe. I'd like to make a suggestion, if you're up for it, I will personally drive to Bradford and bring you to the next free party, take you to the location and allow you to witness the atmosphere. If you still think we're all jobless thugs, then that is your decision, but please don't express such ignorance in something you know nothing about.

It was illegal to break into someone elses property and attempt to host an event which wasnt insured or had adequate safety equipment, the police did a poor job (they should have used shotguns).

Shotguns? How very DareYOU!! Thats a hell of a thing for you to say, I gip at your remark, I say GIP!! Now you should go away and think about what you have said, I am appauled!! Young people having fun, making a few mistakes in life, old....bitter?

di.78 wrote:
OK this one was unsuccessful, made public and some people have got all upset about it.These parties happen all the time and people are not aware of it and Saturday night is not going to stop any future ones from happening either. So all you free party lovers out there see u at the next one and all the rest don't knock it till you have tried it.Peace.

DeJaMy wrote:

di.78 wrote:
OK this one was unsuccessful, made public and some people have got all upset about it.These parties happen all the time and people are not aware of it and Saturday night is not going to stop any future ones from happening either. So all you free party lovers out there see u at the next one and all the rest don't knock it till you have tried it.Peace.

I second that.

laroc30 wrote:
In response to DeJaMy- I am extremely proud of myself thank you. It seems I have clearly hit a nerve regarding the lack of employment...I know your sort, with your 3 thousand piercings and stripey hats. You should all be given community service for those crimes alone never mind breaking and entering!

laroc30 wrote:
In response to DeJaMy-you are now getting abusive and I will have to report you to the T&A. Just what I would expect from a jobless layabout!
And let onefootintherave make their own mind up about taking me out.

DeJaMy wrote:
@ Rambo.
Yes i did answer you as PapaD said and even shows in what he has said that there is a massive difference between gangster activity and people who put on free parties. Do you really think that the Police stopped it because of a possible ganster link. Give them credit they are not that thick unlike yourself who can't seem to grasp the difference between clubbing and illegal raves.. The police know exactly what illgal raves are about and normally most are allowed to go ahead because they are really too busy to have to put a stop to people who are causing no harm when there is the amount of violence in city centres due to drunkeness at the weekends. I speak from experience as someone who has witnessed police presence at many a party and they have been quite ok about just coming back to check from time to time. So actually Rambo you are very wrong in presuming that the Police WILL act when a building is used to put on a Rave because they don't. Saturday night was one of those exceptions to the rule and we can only speculate as to why they chose to shut down this particular one (but i really don't believe it has to do with gangster - you been watching too much Eastender)

@ Albion. Everyone on here has spoke for illegal parties have put forward intelligent and well informed reasons as to why there is really no harm in the free party scene going on yet you're contrbution to the debate is "The Police should have used shotguns". Mmmm. I imagine you to be someone who has just that sort of violent and backward attitude to most things in life that is not the 'norm'. How sad to be so stunted but i guess its not your fault - society breeds you as such.

albion wrote:

DeJaMy wrote: @ Rambo. Yes i did answer you as PapaD said and even shows in what he has said that there is a massive difference between gangster activity and people who put on free parties. Do you really think that the Police stopped it because of a possible ganster link. Give them credit they are not that thick unlike yourself who can't seem to grasp the difference between clubbing and illegal raves.. The police know exactly what illgal raves are about and normally most are allowed to go ahead because they are really too busy to have to put a stop to people who are causing no harm when there is the amount of violence in city centres due to drunkeness at the weekends. I speak from experience as someone who has witnessed police presence at many a party and they have been quite ok about just coming back to check from time to time. So actually Rambo you are very wrong in presuming that the Police WILL act when a building is used to put on a Rave because they don't. Saturday night was one of those exceptions to the rule and we can only speculate as to why they chose to shut down this particular one (but i really don't believe it has to do with gangster - you been watching too much Eastender) @ Albion. Everyone on here has spoke for illegal parties have put forward intelligent and well informed reasons as to why there is really no harm in the free party scene going on yet you're contrbution to the debate is "The Police should have used shotguns". Mmmm. I imagine you to be someone who has just that sort of violent and backward attitude to most things in life that is not the 'norm'. How sad to be so stunted but i guess its not your fault - society breeds you as such.

The remark was meant to be in humour, as were the other posts attached to it later, the rest of your post is somewhat assuming. As you are someone who advocates breaking into the property of others I could certainly launch a tit for tat tirade of slanging and assumptions but I wont be provoked by your drivel, I also think anyone found illegally inside a property should forfeit their rights regarding how they are treated by police and or security staff.

albion wrote:

DeJaMy wrote:
@ Rambo.
Yes i did answer you as PapaD said and even shows in what he has said that there is a massive difference between gangster activity and people who put on free parties. Do you really think that the Police stopped it because of a possible ganster link. Give them credit they are not that thick unlike yourself who can't seem to grasp the difference between clubbing and illegal raves.. The police know exactly what illgal raves are about and normally most are allowed to go ahead because they are really too busy to have to put a stop to people who are causing no harm when there is the amount of violence in city centres due to drunkeness at the weekends. I speak from experience as someone who has witnessed police presence at many a party and they have been quite ok about just coming back to check from time to time. So actually Rambo you are very wrong in presuming that the Police WILL act when a building is used to put on a Rave because they don't. Saturday night was one of those exceptions to the rule and we can only speculate as to why they chose to shut down this particular one (but i really don't believe it has to do with gangster - you been watching too much Eastender)

@ Albion. Everyone on here has spoke for illegal parties have put forward intelligent and well informed reasons as to why there is really no harm in the free party scene going on yet you're contrbution to the debate is "The Police should have used shotguns". Mmmm. I imagine you to be someone who has just that sort of violent and backward attitude to most things in life that is not the 'norm'. How sad to be so stunted but i guess its not your fault - society breeds you as such.

The remark was meant to be in humour, as were the other posts attached to it later, the rest of your post is somewhat assuming.
As you are someone who advocates breaking into the property of others I could certainly launch a tit for tat tirade of slanging and assumptions but I wont be provoked by your drivel, I also think anyone found illegally inside a property should forfeit their rights regarding how they are treated by police and or security staff.

Rambo wrote:
Exactly. Buy it, then do whatever you want with it. Otherwise its no better than squatting. . No-one on the free-party side commented on my earlier post about the guy shot dead at club ice last year. Was it at a club night organised by a manchester group? The murder investigation led the police to looking at manchester based gangsters. . Another reason for clamping down on a manchester organised illegal rave?

xXxRave_ChildxXx wrote:

albion wrote:

DeJaMy wrote: @ Rambo. Yes i did answer you as PapaD said and even shows in what he has said that there is a massive difference between gangster activity and people who put on free parties. Do you really think that the Police stopped it because of a possible ganster link. Give them credit they are not that thick unlike yourself who can't seem to grasp the difference between clubbing and illegal raves.. The police know exactly what illgal raves are about and normally most are allowed to go ahead because they are really too busy to have to put a stop to people who are causing no harm when there is the amount of violence in city centres due to drunkeness at the weekends. I speak from experience as someone who has witnessed police presence at many a party and they have been quite ok about just coming back to check from time to time. So actually Rambo you are very wrong in presuming that the Police WILL act when a building is used to put on a Rave because they don't. Saturday night was one of those exceptions to the rule and we can only speculate as to why they chose to shut down this particular one (but i really don't believe it has to do with gangster - you been watching too much Eastender) @ Albion. Everyone on here has spoke for illegal parties have put forward intelligent and well informed reasons as to why there is really no harm in the free party scene going on yet you're contrbution to the debate is "The Police should have used shotguns". Mmmm. I imagine you to be someone who has just that sort of violent and backward attitude to most things in life that is not the 'norm'. How sad to be so stunted but i guess its not your fault - society breeds you as such.

The remark was meant to be in humour, as were the other posts attached to it later, the rest of your post is somewhat assuming. As you are someone who advocates breaking into the property of others I could certainly launch a tit for tat tirade of slanging and assumptions but I wont be provoked by your drivel, I also think anyone found illegally inside a property should forfeit their rights regarding how they are treated by police and or security staff.

are you totally stupid? why should any human being be treated like that, your some what thick, were doing nothing wrong, its just an abandoned building its not some ones home. no one uses it, so why leave it free doing nothing? get a life you pathetic old ****. and anyway thats not the law, the police are just on power trips. and its wring for them to be hitting people for no reason, the police are *****! the free party scene is about peace, love , unity and respect, we respect were we are and tydy up afterwards we wanted peace with the police they started a war. what your problem?

Oldskoolraver wrote:

xXxRave_ChildxXx wrote:

albion wrote:

DeJaMy wrote: @ Rambo. Yes i did answer you as PapaD said and even shows in what he has said that there is a massive difference between gangster activity and people who put on free parties. Do you really think that the Police stopped it because of a possible ganster link. Give them credit they are not that thick unlike yourself who can't seem to grasp the difference between clubbing and illegal raves.. The police know exactly what illgal raves are about and normally most are allowed to go ahead because they are really too busy to have to put a stop to people who are causing no harm when there is the amount of violence in city centres due to drunkeness at the weekends. I speak from experience as someone who has witnessed police presence at many a party and they have been quite ok about just coming back to check from time to time. So actually Rambo you are very wrong in presuming that the Police WILL act when a building is used to put on a Rave because they don't. Saturday night was one of those exceptions to the rule and we can only speculate as to why they chose to shut down this particular one (but i really don't believe it has to do with gangster - you been watching too much Eastender) @ Albion. Everyone on here has spoke for illegal parties have put forward intelligent and well informed reasons as to why there is really no harm in the free party scene going on yet you're contrbution to the debate is "The Police should have used shotguns". Mmmm. I imagine you to be someone who has just that sort of violent and backward attitude to most things in life that is not the 'norm'. How sad to be so stunted but i guess its not your fault - society breeds you as such.

The remark was meant to be in humour, as were the other posts attached to it later, the rest of your post is somewhat assuming. As you are someone who advocates breaking into the property of others I could certainly launch a tit for tat tirade of slanging and assumptions but I wont be provoked by your drivel, I also think anyone found illegally inside a property should forfeit their rights regarding how they are treated by police and or security staff.

are you totally stupid? why should any human being be treated like that, your some what thick, were doing nothing wrong, its just an abandoned building its not some ones home. no one uses it, so why leave it free doing nothing? get a life you pathetic old ****. and anyway thats not the law, the police are just on power trips. and its wring for them to be hitting people for no reason, the police are *****! the free party scene is about peace, love , unity and respect, we respect were we are and tydy up afterwards we wanted peace with the police they started a war. what your problem?

I can only assume you are either being sarcastic or you are a child...Because RaverXxX you are talking some proper crap there. As an old raver myself i too feel for these young party people who want to have free parties and not have the coppers turn up but only a true idiot would attempt to throw the party where they did. Looking at the videos most of the under age kids who turned up had little to no respect and certainly were not all about "peace, love , unity and respect" as you state... Maybe about 10 + years ago, where have you been? The vibe you describe died a long time ago...You really need to grow up, read a few books on law and re-educaute yourself because at the moment you are talking complete drivel. You say you always respect the area and tidy up afterwards but that is not true either! Gash and other affiliates have made a complete mess of several locations now... Along with public invites, attracting under age ravers, setting up in dangerous places & even hiring Polish workers cheap last year @ Gfest... Irresponsible and frankly stupid to me Gash are proving themselves as nothing but a bad stain on the scene and anyone who supports them are doing themselves and the whole peaceful & mature rave scene no favours at all.

xXxRave_ChildxXx wrote:

Oldskoolraver wrote:

xXxRave_ChildxXx wrote:

albion wrote:

DeJaMy wrote: @ Rambo. Yes i did answer you as PapaD said and even shows in what he has said that there is a massive difference between gangster activity and people who put on free parties. Do you really think that the Police stopped it because of a possible ganster link. Give them credit they are not that thick unlike yourself who can't seem to grasp the difference between clubbing and illegal raves.. The police know exactly what illgal raves are about and normally most are allowed to go ahead because they are really too busy to have to put a stop to people who are causing no harm when there is the amount of violence in city centres due to drunkeness at the weekends. I speak from experience as someone who has witnessed police presence at many a party and they have been quite ok about just coming back to check from time to time. So actually Rambo you are very wrong in presuming that the Police WILL act when a building is used to put on a Rave because they don't. Saturday night was one of those exceptions to the rule and we can only speculate as to why they chose to shut down this particular one (but i really don't believe it has to do with gangster - you been watching too much Eastender) @ Albion. Everyone on here has spoke for illegal parties have put forward intelligent and well informed reasons as to why there is really no harm in the free party scene going on yet you're contrbution to the debate is "The Police should have used shotguns". Mmmm. I imagine you to be someone who has just that sort of violent and backward attitude to most things in life that is not the 'norm'. How sad to be so stunted but i guess its not your fault - society breeds you as such.

The remark was meant to be in humour, as were the other posts attached to it later, the rest of your post is somewhat assuming. As you are someone who advocates breaking into the property of others I could certainly launch a tit for tat tirade of slanging and assumptions but I wont be provoked by your drivel, I also think anyone found illegally inside a property should forfeit their rights regarding how they are treated by police and or security staff.

are you totally stupid? why should any human being be treated like that, your some what thick, were doing nothing wrong, its just an abandoned building its not some ones home. no one uses it, so why leave it free doing nothing? get a life you pathetic old ****. and anyway thats not the law, the police are just on power trips. and its wring for them to be hitting people for no reason, the police are *****! the free party scene is about peace, love , unity and respect, we respect were we are and tydy up afterwards we wanted peace with the police they started a war. what your problem?

I can only assume you are either being sarcastic or you are a child...Because RaverXxX you are talking some proper crap there. As an old raver myself i too feel for these young party people who want to have free parties and not have the coppers turn up but only a true idiot would attempt to throw the party where they did. Looking at the videos most of the under age kids who turned up had little to no respect and certainly were not all about "peace, love , unity and respect" as you state... Maybe about 10 + years ago, where have you been? The vibe you describe died a long time ago...You really need to grow up, read a few books on law and re-educaute yourself because at the moment you are talking complete drivel. You say you always respect the area and tidy up afterwards but that is not true either! Gash and other affiliates have made a complete mess of several locations now... Along with public invites, attracting under age ravers, setting up in dangerous places & even hiring Polish workers cheap last year @ Gfest... Irresponsible and frankly stupid to me Gash are proving themselves as nothing but a bad stain on the scene and anyone who supports them are doing themselves and the whole peaceful & mature rave scene no favours at all.

right listen up 10 years ago i was what 8? so what if theirs underaged people their? what does that matter its a party and thats the point its free. any one should be able to attend who can look after them selfs and are responsible. you dont know nothing about the people today. so grow up your self and stop assumin you know stuff when u dont. gash fest was amazing, and ur an idiot by the way for mentioning that, so much for a true raver. use ur brains.

jom17 wrote:
yeah it has been done before no disputing that but whatever we do with ourselves whether its attending free parties, hanging around on thestreets or going to town, older people always have SOMETHING to moan about. we cant win but neither can you coz these parties are never gonna end. and to be honest i was just out of nappies 16 years ago you patronising idiot

Oldskoolraver wrote:
""""right listen up 10 years ago i was what 8? so what if theirs underaged people their? what does that matter its a party and thats the point its free. any one should be able to attend who can look after them selfs and are responsible. you dont know nothing about the people today. so grow up your self and stop assumin you know stuff when u dont. gash fest was amazing, and ur an idiot by the way for mentioning that, so much for a true raver. use ur brains."""

You are exactly the sort of idiot that I would hate to bump into at a party. Children at raves is not sensible and by definition they cannot look after themselves and are not responsible.
Not all, but the majority, are obviously immature and have so little knowledge of parties that they can cause problems. To be honest your post is almost undecipherable, i wonder why i bother to answer your points but nuggets such as... ""you dont know nothing about the people today"" really are funny enough to deserve an answer.
Thanks i think i know a lot about the people of today too (I refer to your use of the double negative).
I only mentioned Gfest, you filled in the rest and i did not call it ****,
I called the elements that Gash brought to the fest ****; everything they touch turns to **** it seems. I won't even go into the underpaid foreign workers they had on the stalls, ridiculously oversized marquee, terrible music/vibe and as per usual followed by a crowd of teeny boppers.
I would suggest you go and learn the English language. I spent half the time writing this just trying to decipher your illiterate/childlike rant.

di.78 wrote:

jom17 wrote:
yeah it has been done before no disputing that but whatever we do with ourselves whether its attending free parties, hanging around on thestreets or going to town, older people always have SOMETHING to moan about. we cant win but neither can you coz these parties are never gonna end. and to be honest i was just out of nappies 16 years ago you patronising idiot

i'm wondering how old you are calling old jom17 lol but u are right. i think some people forget what it was like when they were young not being able to party any where because some one will complain. thats one of the good things about these parties all ages and walks off life coming together for a good time.roll on summer i say so us "criminals" can break into fields, quarries, caves etc instead lol

xXxRave_ChildxXx wrote:

Oldskoolraver wrote:
""""right listen up 10 years ago i was what 8? so what if theirs underaged people their? what does that matter its a party and thats the point its free. any one should be able to attend who can look after them selfs and are responsible. you dont know nothing about the people today. so grow up your self and stop assumin you know stuff when u dont. gash fest was amazing, and ur an idiot by the way for mentioning that, so much for a true raver. use ur brains."""

You are exactly the sort of idiot that I would hate to bump into at a party. Children at raves is not sensible and by definition they cannot look after themselves and are not responsible.
Not all, but the majority, are obviously immature and have so little knowledge of parties that they can cause problems. To be honest your post is almost undecipherable, i wonder why i bother to answer your points but nuggets such as... ""you dont know nothing about the people today"" really are funny enough to deserve an answer.
Thanks i think i know a lot about the people of today too (I refer to your use of the double negative).
I only mentioned Gfest, you filled in the rest and i did not call it ****,
I called the elements that Gash brought to the fest ****; everything they touch turns to **** it seems. I won't even go into the underpaid foreign workers they had on the stalls, ridiculously oversized marquee, terrible music/vibe and as per usual followed by a crowd of teeny boppers.
I would suggest you go and learn the English language. I spent half the time writing this just trying to decipher your illiterate/childlike rant.

I am not a Child, i am an Adult, your just Old. get over yourself, you say your a raver, yet you side with those who conform, you are basaclly saying that its illegell to brake an entry, so why do you bother going to free parties, you havnt broken away from the system, your still a part of it, and untill you do, you can't call your self part of the free party vibe, because your not, you say you have been going to free parties for years? yet you hardly know the first thing about it, im 18 and i respect were i am I am all about P.L.U.R, you make assumptions about people who you know nothing about, how do you know that the polish workers who worked at Gfest was under paid? for a start their were scottish people working their too, so i surgest you get your facts right, the. why dont you go back to being a teacher (well thats how you act) cos you clearly dont belong in the free party scene. teenagers can look after their self, and they are responsible for their self. they dont make problems at all the only problems that occur at free partys, through the crowd, is the actual idiots who go who don't belong in the scene and cause trouble on purpose. so go back to reading your news paper and dont forget your slippers whilst your at it. your old and your out of touch mate, your trying to make the scene into a club basacly the way your talking saying that underaged people shouldnt be their. yes they should, who the hell are you to tell some one what they can and can not do? NO BODY. haha and you did mention gash when you said "frankly stupid to me GASH ate proving themselfs a stain on the scene" so get your facts right. get unhooked from the system, sort your facts out and then try having a dispute with me. annd decide wich side your on, your either for a rave or your not.

jom17 wrote:
yeah it has been done before no disputing that but whatever we do with ourselves whether its attending free parties, hanging around on thestreets or going to town, older people always have SOMETHING to moan about. we cant win but neither can you coz these parties are never gonna end. and to be honest i was just out of nappies 16 years ago you patronising idiot

xXxRave_ChildxXx wrote:
saterday even*

Geniarse wrote:
I'm 26 with a full time job, don't wear stupid rainbow hats, don't take drugs and happily go to mainstream clubs and venues.

However, these free parties are an absolute Godsend. In a sector where everyone is out to take your money, it's wonderful to attend something that's been put on just for a laugh. A lot of effort goes into setting these things up, and people adapt accordingly. At a normal club, you do get people getting ridiculously drunk, picking fights, it's a meat market. At these parties people are careful, they don't give each other any trouble, they're united in the adventure and that seems to eliminate a lot of trouble.

I don't agree with people breaking into property that is being used, but as far as I was aware this building was due for demolition.

I would like to know where the police were at any point when me and my friends have been attacked whilst supposedly doing the 'safe' and 'right' thing and going to the regular clubs in town.

Whatever your view of the issue of entering that building, these parties have always been trouble free in my experience and the Council should be finding the people who can bring 2,000 people to Bradford from all over the country and giving them a job doing just that.

Geniarse wrote:
I know that the organisers did not know that, and if that's the case then it's news to all of us. There has been a sign on the building stating that it was planned for demolition for quite some time, easy to assume that that was the plan. It is not in the orangisers' interests to plan an event in a building which is in use and where there is a high chance that they may then be caught. This is why many of you will never have heard about these free parties until now. They do happen all the time, nobody gets hurt, and they don't make the news. Please do not assume that we are all in the habit of partying in places that are going to annoy other people, or in buildings that are in use. We don't do that, and there is rarely a problem, or even an awareness of what we're doing and where. It is a victimless crime.

Disney_Eyes wrote:
this would off been an amazing free party if it had gone ahead, the location was fine, the atmosphere was buzzing, but they had apparently been seen going in with equipment and that person had rang the police, but the amount of police that attended, i doubt that was the expected amount that would typically turn up, i think they had time to get the amount of police they thought they required, the advertisement of the party was too much and too long before the party. but what i take fun in knowing that the police would of had to pay more money to close the party down than for the party organizers to put the party, which is what makes me smile about the whole thing, the organizers won were Bradford city council failed, we had the last laugh. OldSchoolRaver, you are talking rubbish, parties happen in the town center all the time and if you really are an oldSchoolRaver you should know all this all ready. and if their was a fire every one would of been able to get out as was shown at a warehouse party in Salford.