Appeal over Odeon listing is rejected

A new image of how the New Victoria Place could look in place of the Odeon building

A new image of how the New Victoria Place could look in place of the Odeon building

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by

Bradford’s derelict former Odeon cinema is not of sufficient quality to warrant listed building status, it was confirmed today.

In March this year, an appeal was lodged to the Secretary of State when English Heritage rejected a sixth application for the 1930s building to be listed.

Today, the Department for Media, Culture and Sport (DCMS) upheld English Heritage’s decision, saying there was no new evidence to refute the view that the building was not of special historic interest.

DCMS said the building was “too architecturally conservative” for 1930 and had more in common with an Edwardian theatre than the ground-breaking trends in cinema design of the late 1920s.

The conclusion said: “The Secretary of State remains persuaded by English Heritage’s view that the exterior of the building is not of special architectural interest.”

The site is currently subject to a planning application that would see the existing building demolished and replaced by a £55 million mixed-use development called New Victoria Place.

The consultation period for people to have their say on the planning application ends today and Bradford Council is expected to determine the application next spring.

Jan Anderson, executive director of environment for Yorkshire Forward, the building’s owner, said: “We welcome the decision by DCMS that the former Bradford Odeon is not of listing status and look forward to progressing plans on the New Victoria Place Development.”

Glyn Turner, of Langtree Artisan, the developer, said: “We are not surprised that the listing has yet again been refused.

“DCMS on advice from English Heritage has repeatedly confirmed that neither the interior, nor external fabric of the building warrants listed status.

“As the developer we’re pleased to receive this confirmation and we look forward to progressing our innovative and exciting £55 million scheme through the planning process.”

The Secretary of State acknowledged that the building was of local interest, but added that it did not represent any particular local or regional traditions and was “too altered.”

Regarding the rarity of the building, the report said better examples of such cinemas survived and were already listed.

e-mail: will.kilner @telegraphandargus.co.uk

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8:08am Fri 21 Nov 08

jkelly says...

Will - you must have seen the photos and videos of the interior. Shouldn't "derelict" at least have been in inverted commas?
Will - you must have seen the photos and videos of the interior. Shouldn't "derelict" at least have been in inverted commas? jkelly
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8:19am Fri 21 Nov 08

Jammy says...

Wonder what Anderson and Yorkshire forward will get out of this ,it looks like it was a forgone conclusion any way,there may be better examples of such cinemas but not in Bradford ,to be honest that image shown looks like a shell of buildings in a war zone!
Wonder what Anderson and Yorkshire forward will get out of this ,it looks like it was a forgone conclusion any way,there may be better examples of such cinemas but not in Bradford ,to be honest that image shown looks like a shell of buildings in a war zone! Jammy
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8:59am Fri 21 Nov 08

rongtw says...

dont worry because it will only end up as hole in the ground too match other one in town !!
dont worry because it will only end up as hole in the ground too match other one in town !! rongtw
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9:12am Fri 21 Nov 08

dazbot says...

Right come on then lets get it knocked down and build a fresh new building.
Right come on then lets get it knocked down and build a fresh new building. dazbot
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9:48am Fri 21 Nov 08

Juice Terry says...

The photo of how the New Victoria Place could look reminds me of my first visit to a Soviet built housing estate in Eastern Europe.
Everything they've torn down in Bradford has been replaced by something uglier and it looks like this tradition is set to continue.
Meanwhile, over in Leeds, they've realised the gap in the market for a decent sized concert venue and have probably started building it.
Pity poor Bradford.
The photo of how the New Victoria Place could look reminds me of my first visit to a Soviet built housing estate in Eastern Europe. Everything they've torn down in Bradford has been replaced by something uglier and it looks like this tradition is set to continue. Meanwhile, over in Leeds, they've realised the gap in the market for a decent sized concert venue and have probably started building it. Pity poor Bradford. Juice Terry
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10:03am Fri 21 Nov 08

Bagsy says...

Another nail in the coffin. I look forward to another concrete monstrosity in Bradford, empty of course.
Another nail in the coffin. I look forward to another concrete monstrosity in Bradford, empty of course. Bagsy
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11:18am Fri 21 Nov 08

BigT says...

Bagsy wrote:
Another nail in the coffin. I look forward to another concrete monstrosity in Bradford, empty of course.
You don't have to look any further than the B&B bulding in Main Street, Bingley to see the daddy of all concrete monstrosities! Good luck though to all those folk in Bingley/Crossflats worried about their futures with B&B and shame on the greedy incompetent management who allowed such a once proud company to be swallowed up or face bankruptcy. Difficult times should bring us together, we're all in the same boat, so why Bagsy do you feel the need to jeer in this negative way? What does it achieve?
[quote][p][bold]Bagsy[/bold] wrote: Another nail in the coffin. I look forward to another concrete monstrosity in Bradford, empty of course.[/p][/quote]You don't have to look any further than the B&B bulding in Main Street, Bingley to see the daddy of all concrete monstrosities! Good luck though to all those folk in Bingley/Crossflats worried about their futures with B&B and shame on the greedy incompetent management who allowed such a once proud company to be swallowed up or face bankruptcy. Difficult times should bring us together, we're all in the same boat, so why Bagsy do you feel the need to jeer in this negative way? What does it achieve? BigT
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11:43am Fri 21 Nov 08

Duke of Odsal says...

I have contibuted more that once to the debate about the Odeon - an admittedly once proud and well used cinema that no doubt triggers fond memories amongst many. The sad fact though is that the building has neither architectural merit or practical relevance - something that I have been saying from the start. All that those desperate to undermine the redevelopment of the site have managed to do is delay the project to the point at which we now find ourselves in a financially disadvantageous climate. The site is likely to stay like it is now or as the pile of rubble that was experienced on the Westfield site in no small part due to the delays forced upon the developer by a small group of backward thinking individuals. We complain about lack of progress, complain about the outcome of progress, and complain when our complaining leads to failure!
Well done Bradfordians!
I have contibuted more that once to the debate about the Odeon - an admittedly once proud and well used cinema that no doubt triggers fond memories amongst many. The sad fact though is that the building has neither architectural merit or practical relevance - something that I have been saying from the start. All that those desperate to undermine the redevelopment of the site have managed to do is delay the project to the point at which we now find ourselves in a financially disadvantageous climate. The site is likely to stay like it is now or as the pile of rubble that was experienced on the Westfield site in no small part due to the delays forced upon the developer by a small group of backward thinking individuals. We complain about lack of progress, complain about the outcome of progress, and complain when our complaining leads to failure! Well done Bradfordians! Duke of Odsal
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11:50am Fri 21 Nov 08

micksey says...

Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!
Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!! micksey
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11:54am Fri 21 Nov 08

lookout says...

micksey wrote:
Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!
Like a mosque,we could do with some more.
[quote][p][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!![/p][/quote]Like a mosque,we could do with some more. lookout
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12:33pm Fri 21 Nov 08

MP says...

Another decsion taken outside of Bradford by a quango (English Heritage)to benefit another quango (Yorkshire Forward) and a developer. And the response of the people we pay over £1m to look after the City - our elected councillors ....Zilch.
Another decsion taken outside of Bradford by a quango (English Heritage)to benefit another quango (Yorkshire Forward) and a developer. And the response of the people we pay over £1m to look after the City - our elected councillors ....Zilch. MP
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2:55pm Fri 21 Nov 08

Dr Evil says...

lookout wrote:
micksey wrote:
Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!
Like a mosque,we could do with some more.
This comment is unneccessary & unwelcome. So much for the hope that we wouldn't hear views like this for a while after the membership list was published.
[quote][p][bold]lookout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!![/p][/quote]Like a mosque,we could do with some more.[/p][/quote]This comment is unneccessary & unwelcome. So much for the hope that we wouldn't hear views like this for a while after the membership list was published. Dr Evil
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3:03pm Fri 21 Nov 08

albion says...

Dr Evil wrote:
lookout wrote:
micksey wrote:
Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!
Like a mosque,we could do with some more.
This comment is unneccessary & unwelcome. So much for the hope that we wouldn't hear views like this for a while after the membership list was published.
Why is it unwelcome? are you sure you are not reading things into this that are not there? Why should the publication of an out of date and incomplete list have any relevance to this thread?
[quote][p][bold]Dr Evil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lookout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!![/p][/quote]Like a mosque,we could do with some more.[/p][/quote]This comment is unneccessary & unwelcome. So much for the hope that we wouldn't hear views like this for a while after the membership list was published.[/p][/quote]Why is it unwelcome? are you sure you are not reading things into this that are not there? Why should the publication of an out of date and incomplete list have any relevance to this thread? albion
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3:49pm Fri 21 Nov 08

jkelly says...

The Leeds project is for an arena to compete with Sheffield and Manchester etc. However, the one thing still missing in this area is a venue the size of Manchester Apollo which was built in 1930 as a cinema. Can anyone think of a suitable location?
The Leeds project is for an arena to compete with Sheffield and Manchester etc. However, the one thing still missing in this area is a venue the size of Manchester Apollo which was built in 1930 as a cinema. Can anyone think of a suitable location? jkelly
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4:38pm Fri 21 Nov 08

judyb says...

I have never commented on the Odeon debate before but I am very sorry it won't be staying, I had hoped seeing it was supported by John Pennington it stood a chance as he is good at picking winners. The Midland Hotel was beautifully brought back to life by John and Josie.In reply to someone earlier PLEASE no more Mosques, there are too many already and the traffic jams around them with cars just dumped anywhere are horendous
I have never commented on the Odeon debate before but I am very sorry it won't be staying, I had hoped seeing it was supported by John Pennington it stood a chance as he is good at picking winners. The Midland Hotel was beautifully brought back to life by John and Josie.In reply to someone earlier PLEASE no more Mosques, there are too many already and the traffic jams around them with cars just dumped anywhere are horendous judyb
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4:48pm Fri 21 Nov 08

micksey says...

lookout wrote:
micksey wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!
Like a mosque,we could do with some more.
When you can spell ECCLESHILL - only the place where you live after all! - you can feel free to reply to my posts you knuckle dragging muppet.
[quote][p][bold]lookout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!![/p][/quote]Like a mosque,we could do with some more.[/p][/quote]When you can spell ECCLESHILL - only the place where you live after all! - you can feel free to reply to my posts you knuckle dragging muppet. micksey
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6:11pm Fri 21 Nov 08

daz. says...

Hi.

Take a look in the t&a forum, I set a poll in there in 2006 on the Odeon, you'll see for yourself that people have mainly voted to keep the Odeon building - that's some of general public views of the area & that's what should count.

Daz.
Hi. Take a look in the t&a forum, I set a poll in there in 2006 on the Odeon, you'll see for yourself that people have mainly voted to keep the Odeon building - that's some of general public views of the area & that's what should count. Daz. daz.
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6:32pm Fri 21 Nov 08

JewelD says...

Whether or not the Odeon is a listed building is irrelevant. The fact is that even in its current run-down condition, the existing Odeon is still a far more attractive, characterful building than the one designed to take its place The proposed replacement development is an ugly, concrete monstrosity which if it goes ahead would totally ruin the setting of the Alhambra (and the Alhambra IS a listed building - so this should be taken into account). I would rather the area was just grassed over than see that built. Bradford City Regeneration are an absolute joke if they think this is way forward. The towers of the current Odeon and the Alhambra form an intersting focal point in the city centre and should be preserved.
Whether or not the Odeon is a listed building is irrelevant. The fact is that even in its current run-down condition, the existing Odeon is still a far more attractive, characterful building than the one designed to take its place The proposed replacement development is an ugly, concrete monstrosity which if it goes ahead would totally ruin the setting of the Alhambra (and the Alhambra IS a listed building - so this should be taken into account). I would rather the area was just grassed over than see that built. Bradford City Regeneration are an absolute joke if they think this is way forward. The towers of the current Odeon and the Alhambra form an intersting focal point in the city centre and should be preserved. JewelD
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7:09pm Fri 21 Nov 08

lookout says...

Dr Evil wrote:
lookout wrote:
micksey wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!
Like a mosque,we could do with some more.
This comment is unneccessary & unwelcome. So much for the hope that we wouldn't hear views like this for a while after the membership list was published.
Why do you assume i am a member of any political party,let alone the bnp?You should not read what isn't there.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Evil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lookout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!![/p][/quote]Like a mosque,we could do with some more.[/p][/quote]This comment is unneccessary & unwelcome. So much for the hope that we wouldn't hear views like this for a while after the membership list was published.[/p][/quote]Why do you assume i am a member of any political party,let alone the bnp?You should not read what isn't there. lookout
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7:15pm Fri 21 Nov 08

lookout says...

micksey wrote:
lookout wrote:
micksey wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!
Like a mosque,we could do with some more.
When you can spell ECCLESHILL - only the place where you live after all! - you can feel free to reply to my posts you knuckle dragging muppet.
I will try to learn to spell Eccleshill seeing as you are giving me permission to reply to your comments if i do.Knuckle dragging Muppet are you sure you was not stood in front of a mirror whilst you were typing.
[quote][p][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lookout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!![/p][/quote]Like a mosque,we could do with some more.[/p][/quote]When you can spell ECCLESHILL - only the place where you live after all! - you can feel free to reply to my posts you knuckle dragging muppet. [/p][/quote]I will try to learn to spell Eccleshill seeing as you are giving me permission to reply to your comments if i do.Knuckle dragging Muppet are you sure you was not stood in front of a mirror whilst you were typing. lookout
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8:19pm Fri 21 Nov 08

Joedavid says...

micksey wrote:
Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!
Look at the picture of building they planning to put in its place.
You want that monster?
[quote][p][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!![/p][/quote]Look at the picture of building they planning to put in its place. You want that monster? Joedavid
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11:18pm Fri 21 Nov 08

mrs walker says...

JewelD wrote:
Whether or not the Odeon is a listed building is irrelevant. The fact is that even in its current run-down condition, the existing Odeon is still a far more attractive, characterful building than the one designed to take its place The proposed replacement development is an ugly, concrete monstrosity which if it goes ahead would totally ruin the setting of the Alhambra (and the Alhambra IS a listed building - so this should be taken into account). I would rather the area was just grassed over than see that built. Bradford City Regeneration are an absolute joke if they think this is way forward. The towers of the current Odeon and the Alhambra form an intersting focal point in the city centre and should be preserved.
Well said JewelD!

I'm reviled by the attitude of our Council, of Yorkshire Forward and of BCR. They have paid scant regard to any of our views and Jan Anderson's quote in this article says it all “We WELCOME the decision by DCMS that the former Bradford Odeon is not of listing status and LOOK FORWARD TO PROGRESSING PLANS on the New Victoria Place Development” - the inference being, whether the people of Bradford want it or not.

If ever there was proof that they don't give a **** about our opinions, it's come to light with this battle for the Odeon. Well, the old girl isn't down yet, and although they are determined to have their way, the animosity and disgust that these people are generating for themselves will stay with them for a very long time.

It's all very well for the Duke of Odsal to say that we have delayed progress by undermining the plans, but nobody tried to stop the Wastefield development, yet that has been stagnating for ages. There is no guarantee that any of the projected plans will go ahead, even when the Odeon is demolished. BCR have already been criticised for having grandiose ideas that stand little chance of coming to fruition - criticisms that were voiced BEFORE the current economic crisis.

I used to love living in Bradford, despite its failings, but I am now so disillusioned with the state of this city's governance that I don't want to be here any more. BCR, their assorted cronies in the Council and Yorkshire Forward have p***ed all over the people of this city. If I knew how to call for a vote of no confidence I would do so.

I earnestly hope the implementation of the new 'select committees' will curtail the autocratic heavy-handedness of quangos such as Yorkshire Forward - and its affiliated lackeys - once and for all.
[quote][p][bold]JewelD[/bold] wrote: Whether or not the Odeon is a listed building is irrelevant. The fact is that even in its current run-down condition, the existing Odeon is still a far more attractive, characterful building than the one designed to take its place The proposed replacement development is an ugly, concrete monstrosity which if it goes ahead would totally ruin the setting of the Alhambra (and the Alhambra IS a listed building - so this should be taken into account). I would rather the area was just grassed over than see that built. Bradford City Regeneration are an absolute joke if they think this is way forward. The towers of the current Odeon and the Alhambra form an intersting focal point in the city centre and should be preserved. [/p][/quote]Well said JewelD! I'm reviled by the attitude of our Council, of Yorkshire Forward and of BCR. They have paid scant regard to any of our views and Jan Anderson's quote in this article says it all “We WELCOME the decision by DCMS that the former Bradford Odeon is not of listing status and LOOK FORWARD TO PROGRESSING PLANS on the New Victoria Place Development” - the inference being, whether the people of Bradford want it or not. If ever there was proof that they don't give a **** about our opinions, it's come to light with this battle for the Odeon. Well, the old girl isn't down yet, and although they are determined to have their way, the animosity and disgust that these people are generating for themselves will stay with them for a very long time. It's all very well for the Duke of Odsal to say that we have delayed progress by undermining the plans, but nobody tried to stop the Wastefield development, yet that has been stagnating for ages. There is no guarantee that any of the projected plans will go ahead, even when the Odeon is demolished. BCR have already been criticised for having grandiose ideas that stand little chance of coming to fruition - criticisms that were voiced BEFORE the current economic crisis. I used to love living in Bradford, despite its failings, but I am now so disillusioned with the state of this city's governance that I don't want to be here any more. BCR, their assorted cronies in the Council and Yorkshire Forward have p***ed all over the people of this city. If I knew how to call for a vote of no confidence I would do so. I earnestly hope the implementation of the new 'select committees' will curtail the autocratic heavy-handedness of quangos such as Yorkshire Forward - and its affiliated lackeys - once and for all. mrs walker
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11:36pm Fri 21 Nov 08

The Odeon Crusader says...

Do you know what the biggest joke of all is regarding the smug responses of Yorkshire Forward's Jan Anderson and Glyn Turner from Langtree Artisan? They "welcome" the rejection from the DCMS regarding the decision not to list the Odeon etc etc blah blah blah...

What they do not tell you (and I suspect the T&A will not investigate/report on this either) is that the very same English Heritage who do not recommend the listing the building also reject outright any proposals to demolish the Odeon and the construction of New Victoria Place due to the "damage" that the loss of the former and construction of the latter would make to the conservation area and, in particular, to the appearance of the Alhambra.

Don't believe me? The five page letter from English Heritage stating the above is uploaded within "Associated Documents" on the Bradford Planners website against both applications.

Other consultees are opposed to demolition too...

SAVE THE ODEON!!!
Do you know what the biggest joke of all is regarding the smug responses of Yorkshire Forward's Jan Anderson and Glyn Turner from Langtree Artisan? They "welcome" the rejection from the DCMS regarding the decision not to list the Odeon etc etc blah blah blah... What they do not tell you (and I suspect the T&A will not investigate/report on this either) is that the very same English Heritage who do not recommend the listing the building also reject outright any proposals to demolish the Odeon and the construction of New Victoria Place due to the "damage" that the loss of the former and construction of the latter would make to the conservation area and, in particular, to the appearance of the Alhambra. Don't believe me? The five page letter from English Heritage stating the above is uploaded within "Associated Documents" on the Bradford Planners website against both applications. Other consultees are opposed to demolition too... SAVE THE ODEON!!! The Odeon Crusader
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12:04am Sat 22 Nov 08

Waynus says...

micksey wrote:
lookout wrote:
micksey wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!
Like a mosque,we could do with some more.
When you can spell ECCLESHILL - only the place where you live after all! - you can feel free to reply to my posts you knuckle dragging muppet.
Don't rise to him Micksey. He has been penning his, what he thinks are quips, for ages now on the Bantams pages. He is just a moron who tries to get attention by being outrageous.

Just ignore him.... Hopefully, he and his lap-dog (Albion) will go away soon!
[quote][p][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lookout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!![/p][/quote]Like a mosque,we could do with some more.[/p][/quote]When you can spell ECCLESHILL - only the place where you live after all! - you can feel free to reply to my posts you knuckle dragging muppet. [/p][/quote]Don't rise to him Micksey. He has been penning his, what he thinks are quips, for ages now on the Bantams pages. He is just a moron who tries to get attention by being outrageous. Just ignore him.... Hopefully, he and his lap-dog (Albion) will go away soon! Waynus
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12:07am Sat 22 Nov 08

Waynus says...

Dr Evil wrote:
lookout wrote:
micksey wrote:
Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!
Like a mosque,we could do with some more.
This comment is unneccessary & unwelcome. So much for the hope that we wouldn't hear views like this for a while after the membership list was published.
I don't think the comment above shows 'lookout' is of a particular breed. It was a comment that provoke reaction, not necessarily his views on a particular race.

However, don't rise to him. He has been penning his, what he thinks are quips, for ages now on the Bantams pages. He is just a moron who tries to get attention by being outrageous.

Just ignore him.... Hopefully, he will go away soon!
[quote][p][bold]Dr Evil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lookout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!![/p][/quote]Like a mosque,we could do with some more.[/p][/quote]This comment is unneccessary & unwelcome. So much for the hope that we wouldn't hear views like this for a while after the membership list was published.[/p][/quote]I don't think the comment above shows 'lookout' is of a particular breed. It was a comment that provoke reaction, not necessarily his views on a particular race. However, don't rise to him. He has been penning his, what he thinks are quips, for ages now on the Bantams pages. He is just a moron who tries to get attention by being outrageous. Just ignore him.... Hopefully, he will go away soon! Waynus
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12:15am Sat 22 Nov 08

Waynus says...

With regard to the ruling and the ultimate decision to allow the destruction of this building in order to replace it with the New Victoria Place building, I think it is disgusting.

This building WAS a beutiful piece of architecture, but after the demise of the small cinema, was allowed to be run into the ground. It is now in such a state, nobody would want to spend money on restoring it as it is more cost effective to knock it down and start again.

Yet again our Council have sold us down the river. They should have bought this building years ago, before it started to disintegrate and revamped it into a concert hall or other public attraction.

As it is, the proposed building is a monstrosity and will ruin the good work being done in that part of the City.
With regard to the ruling and the ultimate decision to allow the destruction of this building in order to replace it with the New Victoria Place building, I think it is disgusting. This building WAS a beutiful piece of architecture, but after the demise of the small cinema, was allowed to be run into the ground. It is now in such a state, nobody would want to spend money on restoring it as it is more cost effective to knock it down and start again. Yet again our Council have sold us down the river. They should have bought this building years ago, before it started to disintegrate and revamped it into a concert hall or other public attraction. As it is, the proposed building is a monstrosity and will ruin the good work being done in that part of the City. Waynus
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2:10am Sat 22 Nov 08

daz. says...

Hi.

Surely the public views should be considered, it is after all our City where we contribute, live, work & visit. The poll results so far in the T&A forum are 80% to keep the building - that result/poll which has been running for over 2 years tells it how it is.

There are enough empty buildings & waste land where there were once buildings & shops in Bradford, I think that fact needs to be addressed first, rather than knocking a perfectly good & wanted building down.

Daz.
Hi. Surely the public views should be considered, it is after all our City where we contribute, live, work & visit. The poll results so far in the T&A forum are 80% to keep the building - that result/poll which has been running for over 2 years tells it how it is. There are enough empty buildings & waste land where there were once buildings & shops in Bradford, I think that fact needs to be addressed first, rather than knocking a perfectly good & wanted building down. Daz. daz.
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6:26am Sat 22 Nov 08

albion says...

Waynus wrote:
micksey wrote:
lookout wrote:
micksey wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!
Like a mosque,we could do with some more.
When you can spell ECCLESHILL - only the place where you live after all! - you can feel free to reply to my posts you knuckle dragging muppet.
Don't rise to him Micksey. He has been penning his, what he thinks are quips, for ages now on the Bantams pages. He is just a moron who tries to get attention by being outrageous.

Just ignore him.... Hopefully, he and his lap-dog (Albion) will go away soon!
I was here long before you, and wont be going anywhere.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lookout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micksey[/bold] wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!![/p][/quote]Like a mosque,we could do with some more.[/p][/quote]When you can spell ECCLESHILL - only the place where you live after all! - you can feel free to reply to my posts you knuckle dragging muppet. [/p][/quote]Don't rise to him Micksey. He has been penning his, what he thinks are quips, for ages now on the Bantams pages. He is just a moron who tries to get attention by being outrageous. Just ignore him.... Hopefully, he and his lap-dog (Albion) will go away soon![/p][/quote]I was here long before you, and wont be going anywhere. albion
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10:00am Sat 22 Nov 08

albion says...

Waynus wrote:
With regard to the ruling and the ultimate decision to allow the destruction of this building in order to replace it with the New Victoria Place building, I think it is disgusting.

This building WAS a beutiful piece of architecture, but after the demise of the small cinema, was allowed to be run into the ground. It is now in such a state, nobody would want to spend money on restoring it as it is more cost effective to knock it down and start again.

Yet again our Council have sold us down the river. They should have bought this building years ago, before it started to disintegrate and revamped it into a concert hall or other public attraction.

As it is, the proposed building is a monstrosity and will ruin the good work being done in that part of the City.
"nobody would want to spend money on restoring it" look at= www.kingsdr.demon.co
.uk/cinemas/borg.htm


"the good work being done in that part of the city" surely you mean, the good work that MIGHT be done in that part of the city.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: With regard to the ruling and the ultimate decision to allow the destruction of this building in order to replace it with the New Victoria Place building, I think it is disgusting. This building WAS a beutiful piece of architecture, but after the demise of the small cinema, was allowed to be run into the ground. It is now in such a state, nobody would want to spend money on restoring it as it is more cost effective to knock it down and start again. Yet again our Council have sold us down the river. They should have bought this building years ago, before it started to disintegrate and revamped it into a concert hall or other public attraction. As it is, the proposed building is a monstrosity and will ruin the good work being done in that part of the City.[/p][/quote]"nobody would want to spend money on restoring it" look at= www.kingsdr.demon.co .uk/cinemas/borg.htm "the good work being done in that part of the city" surely you mean, the good work that MIGHT be done in that part of the city. albion
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10:23am Sat 22 Nov 08

lookout says...

albion wrote:
Waynus wrote: With regard to the ruling and the ultimate decision to allow the destruction of this building in order to replace it with the New Victoria Place building, I think it is disgusting. This building WAS a beutiful piece of architecture, but after the demise of the small cinema, was allowed to be run into the ground. It is now in such a state, nobody would want to spend money on restoring it as it is more cost effective to knock it down and start again. Yet again our Council have sold us down the river. They should have bought this building years ago, before it started to disintegrate and revamped it into a concert hall or other public attraction. As it is, the proposed building is a monstrosity and will ruin the good work being done in that part of the City.
"nobody would want to spend money on restoring it" look at= www.kingsdr.demon.co .uk/cinemas/borg.htm "the good work being done in that part of the city" surely you mean, the good work that MIGHT be done in that part of the city.
Just like everything he posts about,not a clue what he is on about.
[quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: With regard to the ruling and the ultimate decision to allow the destruction of this building in order to replace it with the New Victoria Place building, I think it is disgusting. This building WAS a beutiful piece of architecture, but after the demise of the small cinema, was allowed to be run into the ground. It is now in such a state, nobody would want to spend money on restoring it as it is more cost effective to knock it down and start again. Yet again our Council have sold us down the river. They should have bought this building years ago, before it started to disintegrate and revamped it into a concert hall or other public attraction. As it is, the proposed building is a monstrosity and will ruin the good work being done in that part of the City.[/p][/quote]"nobody would want to spend money on restoring it" look at= www.kingsdr.demon.co .uk/cinemas/borg.htm "the good work being done in that part of the city" surely you mean, the good work that MIGHT be done in that part of the city.[/p][/quote]Just like everything he posts about,not a clue what he is on about. lookout
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9:07pm Sun 23 Nov 08

Waynus says...

albion wrote:
Waynus wrote:
With regard to the ruling and the ultimate decision to allow the destruction of this building in order to replace it with the New Victoria Place building, I think it is disgusting.

This building WAS a beutiful piece of architecture, but after the demise of the small cinema, was allowed to be run into the ground. It is now in such a state, nobody would want to spend money on restoring it as it is more cost effective to knock it down and start again.

Yet again our Council have sold us down the river. They should have bought this building years ago, before it started to disintegrate and revamped it into a concert hall or other public attraction.

As it is, the proposed building is a monstrosity and will ruin the good work being done in that part of the City.
"nobody would want to spend money on restoring it" look at= www.kingsdr.demon.co

.uk/cinemas/borg.htm



"the good work being done in that part of the city" surely you mean, the good work that MIGHT be done in that part of the city.
Yes, I was already aware of the BORG webpage. I still do not understand how you can claim nobody wants to spend money on restoring it (either for it's 'existing' purpose or for something else). It is no good to anyone as it is and needs a lot (and I mean a lot) of money to make the building safe and usable again.

We all remember the destruction of Rawson Markets, MI and the Swan Arcade, instead of restoring and updating.

As for the god work being done in in that part of the City, I meant the area around the Town Hall, the planned Park in the City. I agree MORE could be done, that is one thong we do agree on.
[quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: With regard to the ruling and the ultimate decision to allow the destruction of this building in order to replace it with the New Victoria Place building, I think it is disgusting. This building WAS a beutiful piece of architecture, but after the demise of the small cinema, was allowed to be run into the ground. It is now in such a state, nobody would want to spend money on restoring it as it is more cost effective to knock it down and start again. Yet again our Council have sold us down the river. They should have bought this building years ago, before it started to disintegrate and revamped it into a concert hall or other public attraction. As it is, the proposed building is a monstrosity and will ruin the good work being done in that part of the City.[/p][/quote]"nobody would want to spend money on restoring it" look at= www.kingsdr.demon.co .uk/cinemas/borg.htm "the good work being done in that part of the city" surely you mean, the good work that MIGHT be done in that part of the city.[/p][/quote]Yes, I was already aware of the BORG webpage. I still do not understand how you can claim nobody wants to spend money on restoring it (either for it's 'existing' purpose or for something else). It is no good to anyone as it is and needs a lot (and I mean a lot) of money to make the building safe and usable again. We all remember the destruction of Rawson Markets, MI and the Swan Arcade, instead of restoring and updating. As for the god work being done in in that part of the City, I meant the area around the Town Hall, the planned Park in the City. I agree MORE could be done, that is one thong we do agree on. Waynus
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9:30pm Sun 23 Nov 08

albion says...

Waynus wrote:
albion wrote:
Waynus wrote:
With regard to the ruling and the ultimate decision to allow the destruction of this building in order to replace it with the New Victoria Place building, I think it is disgusting.

This building WAS a beutiful piece of architecture, but after the demise of the small cinema, was allowed to be run into the ground. It is now in such a state, nobody would want to spend money on restoring it as it is more cost effective to knock it down and start again.

Yet again our Council have sold us down the river. They should have bought this building years ago, before it started to disintegrate and revamped it into a concert hall or other public attraction.

As it is, the proposed building is a monstrosity and will ruin the good work being done in that part of the City.
"nobody would want to spend money on restoring it" look at= www.kingsdr.demon.co


.uk/cinemas/borg.htm




"the good work being done in that part of the city" surely you mean, the good work that MIGHT be done in that part of the city.
Yes, I was already aware of the BORG webpage. I still do not understand how you can claim nobody wants to spend money on restoring it (either for it's 'existing' purpose or for something else). It is no good to anyone as it is and needs a lot (and I mean a lot) of money to make the building safe and usable again.

We all remember the destruction of Rawson Markets, MI and the Swan Arcade, instead of restoring and updating.

As for the god work being done in in that part of the City, I meant the area around the Town Hall, the planned Park in the City. I agree MORE could be done, that is one thong we do agree on.
I didnt claim nobody wants to spend money on restoring it YOU did.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: With regard to the ruling and the ultimate decision to allow the destruction of this building in order to replace it with the New Victoria Place building, I think it is disgusting. This building WAS a beutiful piece of architecture, but after the demise of the small cinema, was allowed to be run into the ground. It is now in such a state, nobody would want to spend money on restoring it as it is more cost effective to knock it down and start again. Yet again our Council have sold us down the river. They should have bought this building years ago, before it started to disintegrate and revamped it into a concert hall or other public attraction. As it is, the proposed building is a monstrosity and will ruin the good work being done in that part of the City.[/p][/quote]"nobody would want to spend money on restoring it" look at= www.kingsdr.demon.co .uk/cinemas/borg.htm "the good work being done in that part of the city" surely you mean, the good work that MIGHT be done in that part of the city.[/p][/quote]Yes, I was already aware of the BORG webpage. I still do not understand how you can claim nobody wants to spend money on restoring it (either for it's 'existing' purpose or for something else). It is no good to anyone as it is and needs a lot (and I mean a lot) of money to make the building safe and usable again. We all remember the destruction of Rawson Markets, MI and the Swan Arcade, instead of restoring and updating. As for the god work being done in in that part of the City, I meant the area around the Town Hall, the planned Park in the City. I agree MORE could be done, that is one thong we do agree on.[/p][/quote]I didnt claim nobody wants to spend money on restoring it YOU did. albion
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