Appeal over Odeon listing is rejected (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Will - you must have seen the photos and videos of the interior. Shouldn't "derelict" at least have been in inverted commas?

Wonder what Anderson and Yorkshire forward will get out of this ,it looks like it was a forgone conclusion any way,there may be better examples of such cinemas but not in Bradford ,to be honest that image shown looks like a shell of buildings in a war zone!

dont worry because it will only end up as hole in the ground too match other one in town !!

Right come on then lets get it knocked down and build a fresh new building.

The photo of how the New Victoria Place could look reminds me of my first visit to a Soviet built housing estate in Eastern Europe.
Everything they've torn down in Bradford has been replaced by something uglier and it looks like this tradition is set to continue.
Meanwhile, over in Leeds, they've realised the gap in the market for a decent sized concert venue and have probably started building it.
Pity poor Bradford.

Another nail in the coffin. I look forward to another concrete monstrosity in Bradford, empty of course.

Bagsy wrote:
Another nail in the coffin. I look forward to another concrete monstrosity in Bradford, empty of course.

You don't have to look any further than the B&B bulding in Main Street, Bingley to see the daddy of all concrete monstrosities! Good luck though to all those folk in Bingley/Crossflats worried about their futures with B&B and shame on the greedy incompetent management who allowed such a once proud company to be swallowed up or face bankruptcy. Difficult times should bring us together, we're all in the same boat, so why Bagsy do you feel the need to jeer in this negative way? What does it achieve?

I have contibuted more that once to the debate about the Odeon - an admittedly once proud and well used cinema that no doubt triggers fond memories amongst many. The sad fact though is that the building has neither architectural merit or practical relevance - something that I have been saying from the start. All that those desperate to undermine the redevelopment of the site have managed to do is delay the project to the point at which we now find ourselves in a financially disadvantageous climate. The site is likely to stay like it is now or as the pile of rubble that was experienced on the Westfield site in no small part due to the delays forced upon the developer by a small group of backward thinking individuals. We complain about lack of progress, complain about the outcome of progress, and complain when our complaining leads to failure!
Well done Bradfordians!

Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!

micksey wrote:
Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!

Like a mosque,we could do with some more.

Another decsion taken outside of Bradford by a quango (English Heritage)to benefit another quango (Yorkshire Forward) and a developer. And the response of the people we pay over £1m to look after the City - our elected councillors ....Zilch.

lookout wrote:

micksey wrote:
Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!

Like a mosque,we could do with some more.

This comment is unneccessary & unwelcome. So much for the hope that we wouldn't hear views like this for a while after the membership list was published.

Dr Evil wrote:

lookout wrote:

micksey wrote:
Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!

Like a mosque,we could do with some more.

This comment is unneccessary & unwelcome. So much for the hope that we wouldn't hear views like this for a while after the membership list was published.

Why is it unwelcome? are you sure you are not reading things into this that are not there? Why should the publication of an out of date and incomplete list have any relevance to this thread?

The Leeds project is for an arena to compete with Sheffield and Manchester etc. However, the one thing still missing in this area is a venue the size of Manchester Apollo which was built in 1930 as a cinema. Can anyone think of a suitable location?

I have never commented on the Odeon debate before but I am very sorry it won't be staying, I had hoped seeing it was supported by John Pennington it stood a chance as he is good at picking winners. The Midland Hotel was beautifully brought back to life by John and Josie.In reply to someone earlier PLEASE no more Mosques, there are too many already and the traffic jams around them with cars just dumped anywhere are horendous

lookout wrote:

micksey wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!

Like a mosque,we could do with some more.

When you can spell ECCLESHILL - only the place where you live after all! - you can feel free to reply to my posts you knuckle dragging muppet.

Hi.

Take a look in the t&a forum, I set a poll in there in 2006 on the Odeon, you'll see for yourself that people have mainly voted to keep the Odeon building - that's some of general public views of the area & that's what should count.

Daz.

Whether or not the Odeon is a listed building is irrelevant. The fact is that even in its current run-down condition, the existing Odeon is still a far more attractive, characterful building than the one designed to take its place The proposed replacement development is an ugly, concrete monstrosity which if it goes ahead would totally ruin the setting of the Alhambra (and the Alhambra IS a listed building - so this should be taken into account). I would rather the area was just grassed over than see that built. Bradford City Regeneration are an absolute joke if they think this is way forward. The towers of the current Odeon and the Alhambra form an intersting focal point in the city centre and should be preserved.

Dr Evil wrote:

lookout wrote:

micksey wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!

Like a mosque,we could do with some more.

This comment is unneccessary & unwelcome. So much for the hope that we wouldn't hear views like this for a while after the membership list was published.

Why do you assume i am a member of any political party,let alone the bnp?You should not read what isn't there.

micksey wrote:

lookout wrote:

micksey wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!

Like a mosque,we could do with some more.

When you can spell ECCLESHILL - only the place where you live after all! - you can feel free to reply to my posts you knuckle dragging muppet.

I will try to learn to spell Eccleshill seeing as you are giving me permission to reply to your comments if i do.Knuckle dragging Muppet are you sure you was not stood in front of a mirror whilst you were typing.

micksey wrote:
Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!

Look at the picture of building they planning to put in its place.
You want that monster?

JewelD wrote:
Whether or not the Odeon is a listed building is irrelevant. The fact is that even in its current run-down condition, the existing Odeon is still a far more attractive, characterful building than the one designed to take its place The proposed replacement development is an ugly, concrete monstrosity which if it goes ahead would totally ruin the setting of the Alhambra (and the Alhambra IS a listed building - so this should be taken into account). I would rather the area was just grassed over than see that built. Bradford City Regeneration are an absolute joke if they think this is way forward. The towers of the current Odeon and the Alhambra form an intersting focal point in the city centre and should be preserved.

Well said JewelD!

I'm reviled by the attitude of our Council, of Yorkshire Forward and of BCR. They have paid scant regard to any of our views and Jan Anderson's quote in this article says it all “We WELCOME the decision by DCMS that the former Bradford Odeon is not of listing status and LOOK FORWARD TO PROGRESSING PLANS on the New Victoria Place Development” - the inference being, whether the people of Bradford want it or not.

If ever there was proof that they don't give a **** about our opinions, it's come to light with this battle for the Odeon. Well, the old girl isn't down yet, and although they are determined to have their way, the animosity and disgust that these people are generating for themselves will stay with them for a very long time.

It's all very well for the Duke of Odsal to say that we have delayed progress by undermining the plans, but nobody tried to stop the Wastefield development, yet that has been stagnating for ages. There is no guarantee that any of the projected plans will go ahead, even when the Odeon is demolished. BCR have already been criticised for having grandiose ideas that stand little chance of coming to fruition - criticisms that were voiced BEFORE the current economic crisis.

I used to love living in Bradford, despite its failings, but I am now so disillusioned with the state of this city's governance that I don't want to be here any more. BCR, their assorted cronies in the Council and Yorkshire Forward have p***ed all over the people of this city. If I knew how to call for a vote of no confidence I would do so.

I earnestly hope the implementation of the new 'select committees' will curtail the autocratic heavy-handedness of quangos such as Yorkshire Forward - and its affiliated lackeys - once and for all.

Do you know what the biggest joke of all is regarding the smug responses of Yorkshire Forward's Jan Anderson and Glyn Turner from Langtree Artisan? They "welcome" the rejection from the DCMS regarding the decision not to list the Odeon etc etc blah blah blah...

What they do not tell you (and I suspect the T&A will not investigate/report on this either) is that the very same English Heritage who do not recommend the listing the building also reject outright any proposals to demolish the Odeon and the construction of New Victoria Place due to the "damage" that the loss of the former and construction of the latter would make to the conservation area and, in particular, to the appearance of the Alhambra.

Don't believe me? The five page letter from English Heritage stating the above is uploaded within "Associated Documents" on the Bradford Planners website against both applications.

Other consultees are opposed to demolition too...

SAVE THE ODEON!!!

micksey wrote:

lookout wrote:

micksey wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!

Like a mosque,we could do with some more.

When you can spell ECCLESHILL - only the place where you live after all! - you can feel free to reply to my posts you knuckle dragging muppet.

Don't rise to him Micksey. He has been penning his, what he thinks are quips, for ages now on the Bantams pages. He is just a moron who tries to get attention by being outrageous.

Just ignore him.... Hopefully, he and his lap-dog (Albion) will go away soon!

Dr Evil wrote:

lookout wrote:

micksey wrote:
Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!

Like a mosque,we could do with some more.

This comment is unneccessary & unwelcome. So much for the hope that we wouldn't hear views like this for a while after the membership list was published.

I don't think the comment above shows 'lookout' is of a particular breed. It was a comment that provoke reaction, not necessarily his views on a particular race.

However, don't rise to him. He has been penning his, what he thinks are quips, for ages now on the Bantams pages. He is just a moron who tries to get attention by being outrageous.

Just ignore him.... Hopefully, he will go away soon!

With regard to the ruling and the ultimate decision to allow the destruction of this building in order to replace it with the New Victoria Place building, I think it is disgusting.

This building WAS a beutiful piece of architecture, but after the demise of the small cinema, was allowed to be run into the ground. It is now in such a state, nobody would want to spend money on restoring it as it is more cost effective to knock it down and start again.

Yet again our Council have sold us down the river. They should have bought this building years ago, before it started to disintegrate and revamped it into a concert hall or other public attraction.

As it is, the proposed building is a monstrosity and will ruin the good work being done in that part of the City.

Hi.

Surely the public views should be considered, it is after all our City where we contribute, live, work & visit. The poll results so far in the T&A forum are 80% to keep the building - that result/poll which has been running for over 2 years tells it how it is.

There are enough empty buildings & waste land where there were once buildings & shops in Bradford, I think that fact needs to be addressed first, rather than knocking a perfectly good & wanted building down.

Daz.

Waynus wrote:

micksey wrote:

lookout wrote:

micksey wrote: Knock it down and build something new and relevant in it's place! Listed building my backside!!

Like a mosque,we could do with some more.

When you can spell ECCLESHILL - only the place where you live after all! - you can feel free to reply to my posts you knuckle dragging muppet.

Don't rise to him Micksey. He has been penning his, what he thinks are quips, for ages now on the Bantams pages. He is just a moron who tries to get attention by being outrageous.

Just ignore him.... Hopefully, he and his lap-dog (Albion) will go away soon!

I was here long before you, and wont be going anywhere.

Waynus wrote:
With regard to the ruling and the ultimate decision to allow the destruction of this building in order to replace it with the New Victoria Place building, I think it is disgusting.

This building WAS a beutiful piece of architecture, but after the demise of the small cinema, was allowed to be run into the ground. It is now in such a state, nobody would want to spend money on restoring it as it is more cost effective to knock it down and start again.

Yet again our Council have sold us down the river. They should have bought this building years ago, before it started to disintegrate and revamped it into a concert hall or other public attraction.

As it is, the proposed building is a monstrosity and will ruin the good work being done in that part of the City.

"nobody would want to spend money on restoring it" look at= www.kingsdr.demon.co
.uk/cinemas/borg.htm


"the good work being done in that part of the city" surely you mean, the good work that MIGHT be done in that part of the city.

albion wrote:

Waynus wrote: With regard to the ruling and the ultimate decision to allow the destruction of this building in order to replace it with the New Victoria Place building, I think it is disgusting. This building WAS a beutiful piece of architecture, but after the demise of the small cinema, was allowed to be run into the ground. It is now in such a state, nobody would want to spend money on restoring it as it is more cost effective to knock it down and start again. Yet again our Council have sold us down the river. They should have bought this building years ago, before it started to disintegrate and revamped it into a concert hall or other public attraction. As it is, the proposed building is a monstrosity and will ruin the good work being done in that part of the City.

"nobody would want to spend money on restoring it" look at= www.kingsdr.demon.co .uk/cinemas/borg.htm "the good work being done in that part of the city" surely you mean, the good work that MIGHT be done in that part of the city.

Just like everything he posts about,not a clue what he is on about.

albion wrote:

Waynus wrote:
With regard to the ruling and the ultimate decision to allow the destruction of this building in order to replace it with the New Victoria Place building, I think it is disgusting.

This building WAS a beutiful piece of architecture, but after the demise of the small cinema, was allowed to be run into the ground. It is now in such a state, nobody would want to spend money on restoring it as it is more cost effective to knock it down and start again.

Yet again our Council have sold us down the river. They should have bought this building years ago, before it started to disintegrate and revamped it into a concert hall or other public attraction.

As it is, the proposed building is a monstrosity and will ruin the good work being done in that part of the City.

"nobody would want to spend money on restoring it" look at= www.kingsdr.demon.co

.uk/cinemas/borg.htm



"the good work being done in that part of the city" surely you mean, the good work that MIGHT be done in that part of the city.

Yes, I was already aware of the BORG webpage. I still do not understand how you can claim nobody wants to spend money on restoring it (either for it's 'existing' purpose or for something else). It is no good to anyone as it is and needs a lot (and I mean a lot) of money to make the building safe and usable again.

We all remember the destruction of Rawson Markets, MI and the Swan Arcade, instead of restoring and updating.

As for the god work being done in in that part of the City, I meant the area around the Town Hall, the planned Park in the City. I agree MORE could be done, that is one thong we do agree on.

Waynus wrote:

albion wrote:

Waynus wrote:
With regard to the ruling and the ultimate decision to allow the destruction of this building in order to replace it with the New Victoria Place building, I think it is disgusting.

This building WAS a beutiful piece of architecture, but after the demise of the small cinema, was allowed to be run into the ground. It is now in such a state, nobody would want to spend money on restoring it as it is more cost effective to knock it down and start again.

Yet again our Council have sold us down the river. They should have bought this building years ago, before it started to disintegrate and revamped it into a concert hall or other public attraction.

As it is, the proposed building is a monstrosity and will ruin the good work being done in that part of the City.

"nobody would want to spend money on restoring it" look at= www.kingsdr.demon.co


.uk/cinemas/borg.htm




"the good work being done in that part of the city" surely you mean, the good work that MIGHT be done in that part of the city.

Yes, I was already aware of the BORG webpage. I still do not understand how you can claim nobody wants to spend money on restoring it (either for it's 'existing' purpose or for something else). It is no good to anyone as it is and needs a lot (and I mean a lot) of money to make the building safe and usable again.

We all remember the destruction of Rawson Markets, MI and the Swan Arcade, instead of restoring and updating.

As for the god work being done in in that part of the City, I meant the area around the Town Hall, the planned Park in the City. I agree MORE could be done, that is one thong we do agree on.

I didnt claim nobody wants to spend money on restoring it YOU did.