Listed Bradford building could be demolished to cut crime at problem hotspot

Martin Dixon outside the former Roman Catholic chapel at Bowling Cemetery

Martin Dixon outside the former Roman Catholic chapel at Bowling Cemetery

The former Roman Catholic chapel at Bowling Cemetery

The former Roman Catholic chapel at Bowling Cemetery

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , T&A Reporter

A LISTED building could be knocked down in a move designed to cut crime at a problem hotspot where a "staggering" number of offences have been committed.

Plans have been submitted by Bradford Council for the partial demolition of the crime-ridden former Roman Catholic chapel at Bowling Cemetery, Rooley Lane, Bradford, to make way for the creation of a memorial garden.

The derelict Grade II listed chapel, built more than a century ago, has been vacant since 1987 and has become a magnet for "serious and persistent" crime, while also consuming public resources, according to the planning application report.

It reveals that Bowling Cemetery has been hit by vandalism of numerous grave stones, muggings and assaults in recent months, with what the report described as a "staggering"15 offences being recorded at the site by West Yorkshire Police between February 1 and July 31 this year.

In May 2007, vandals were blamed for a fierce fire at the historic chapel.

Earlier this year, Bradford Council sent emails to groups, such as Friends of Bowling Park, potentially interested in taking on the chapel but no-one took up the offer.

In the design access and heritage statement, prepared by William Cartwright, of Heritage Planning Design, said: "It is with regret that this application for demolition is made.

"The proposal will cause substantial harm to its special interest.

"For 27 years, the chapel has consumed public resources. It is clearly in the public interest to now find a long-term and sustainable solution for this building.

"The existing situation is unsatisfactory and not sustainable.

"Bowling Cemetery and its chapel have been subject to persistent and serious crime and anti-social behaviour.

"The proposal will not eliminate but is expected to substantially reduce opportunities for crime and anti-social behaviour.

"The chapel is a threat to the on-going use and maintenance of the cemetery that must be addressed."

The building was Grade II listed in May 1988 and was part of the original design of the cemetery that dates back to 1886 but plans for the building were not approved until 1891 and was built sometime between 1893 and 1908.

Councillor Rizwana Jamil (Lab, Bowling and Barkerend) has backed the plans for the demolition of the chapel if it improves the surrounding area.

She said: "If it's going to bring the building into some kind of use and enhance and improve the area, then it's a good idea.

"It needs to benefit and improve the area for the people who use the cemetery."

Martin Dixon, 55, of Pembroke Street, West Bowling, a frequent visitor to the cemetery, added: "I think it's a good idea to demolish it.

"It's an eyesore. It would be sad to see it go, but it's got to go.

"All of my family are buried here. It's about time that it was demolished before somebody gets injured."

Councillor John Ruding (Lab, Tong) added he acknowledged that the building was an eyesore and unlikely to be used again.

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7:16am Tue 26 Aug 14

Albion. says...

It seems a strange response when the obvious fact is that the police aren't doing their job.
It seems a strange response when the obvious fact is that the police aren't doing their job. Albion.
  • Score: 57

7:40am Tue 26 Aug 14

Pity Poor Bradford says...

"It's an eyesore. It would be sad to see it go, but it's got to go"

Ah yes. The standard Bradford response to an old building.

Reading the quotes in the article, it's making it sound like it's the building that's doing the muggings and assaults.
"It's an eyesore. It would be sad to see it go, but it's got to go" Ah yes. The standard Bradford response to an old building. Reading the quotes in the article, it's making it sound like it's the building that's doing the muggings and assaults. Pity Poor Bradford
  • Score: 71

7:47am Tue 26 Aug 14

angry bradfordian says...

If they allow a listed building to be demolished the council are an even bigger bunch of hypocrites than I thought possible.
I'm sure the residents of Saltaire that were doorstepped by the T&A would love to know you can ignore the regulations if it's cheaper or more convenient.
If they allow a listed building to be demolished the council are an even bigger bunch of hypocrites than I thought possible. I'm sure the residents of Saltaire that were doorstepped by the T&A would love to know you can ignore the regulations if it's cheaper or more convenient. angry bradfordian
  • Score: 53

7:53am Tue 26 Aug 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

revolutionary idea; why not redevelop the building and the area, increase the police profile and take back an area for the decent people of this city rather than admitting defeat to the minority of scum bags that tarnish our city's once great name.
revolutionary idea; why not redevelop the building and the area, increase the police profile and take back an area for the decent people of this city rather than admitting defeat to the minority of scum bags that tarnish our city's once great name. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 81

8:03am Tue 26 Aug 14

Idlesteve says...

So, the council have and own a grade ll listed building but have let it become derelict and a source of crime and a drain on police resources, which impact on more serious crime. For 27 years. To resolve the issue they are to demolish said grade ll building.

If this were you or I and we had a grade ll listed building for 27 years left in a derelict state attracting crime I wonder what the council's action would be....... Oh yes they would be threatening then taking enforcement orders out and issuing litigation papers ! Let's face it ( and the council clearly have TWO FACES) it stinks and the council should take care of their properties line they expect Bradford citizens to do so. A fine case of do as we say, not as we do.
So, the council have and own a grade ll listed building but have let it become derelict and a source of crime and a drain on police resources, which impact on more serious crime. For 27 years. To resolve the issue they are to demolish said grade ll building. If this were you or I and we had a grade ll listed building for 27 years left in a derelict state attracting crime I wonder what the council's action would be....... Oh yes they would be threatening then taking enforcement orders out and issuing litigation papers ! Let's face it ( and the council clearly have TWO FACES) it stinks and the council should take care of their properties line they expect Bradford citizens to do so. A fine case of do as we say, not as we do. Idlesteve
  • Score: 83

8:21am Tue 26 Aug 14

llos25 says...

Somebody will have a buyer for the stone is worth a lot of money ,as far as the building being listed you cannot expect a council to have a set of rules and keep to them and as far as the police are concerned in Bradford you can forget them.
Somebody will have a buyer for the stone is worth a lot of money ,as far as the building being listed you cannot expect a council to have a set of rules and keep to them and as far as the police are concerned in Bradford you can forget them. llos25
  • Score: 35

8:27am Tue 26 Aug 14

Storck says...

If no one has come up with a viable use for it in over 20 years why do some people think all of a sudden a use can be found ?
If no one has come up with a viable use for it in over 20 years why do some people think all of a sudden a use can be found ? Storck
  • Score: -22

8:39am Tue 26 Aug 14

Pity Poor Bradford says...

Here's an idea. Refurbish it and open it as a part time police station....
Here's an idea. Refurbish it and open it as a part time police station.... Pity Poor Bradford
  • Score: 61

8:45am Tue 26 Aug 14

wolfspeak says...

Why not convert it into a Mosque and see if there is funding available then?
Why not convert it into a Mosque and see if there is funding available then? wolfspeak
  • Score: 34

8:51am Tue 26 Aug 14

yezboss says...

Appalling dereliction of duty by WYP.
Appalling dereliction of duty by WYP. yezboss
  • Score: 24

9:03am Tue 26 Aug 14

LMAS24 says...

It is so true what everyone is saying - the council have to maintain their properties just like all other landlords. I visited the cemetery recently and the whole place is a mess! This upset my mother greatly as her parents and brothers and sisters are in that cemetery and she was shocked at the state of it. And so very true if it was for any of the so called Ethnic Minority in Bradford the money would soon be found!! When will we start looking after our own in this country??????
It is so true what everyone is saying - the council have to maintain their properties just like all other landlords. I visited the cemetery recently and the whole place is a mess! This upset my mother greatly as her parents and brothers and sisters are in that cemetery and she was shocked at the state of it. And so very true if it was for any of the so called Ethnic Minority in Bradford the money would soon be found!! When will we start looking after our own in this country?????? LMAS24
  • Score: 50

9:13am Tue 26 Aug 14

johnh1 says...

Storck wrote:
If no one has come up with a viable use for it in over 20 years why do some people think all of a sudden a use can be found ?
It's a CHURCH now what could it be used for let me see
Ahh yes Praying, perhaps a Young offenders prison .
Snatch squads could lay in wait sounds like it would be full in a couple of days.
[quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: If no one has come up with a viable use for it in over 20 years why do some people think all of a sudden a use can be found ?[/p][/quote]It's a CHURCH now what could it be used for let me see Ahh yes Praying, perhaps a Young offenders prison . Snatch squads could lay in wait sounds like it would be full in a couple of days. johnh1
  • Score: -1

9:22am Tue 26 Aug 14

aletheia-emet says...

The 'Ethnic Minorities' including muslims in Bradford fundraise for their own places of worship and collectively put their own money into their projects. There is no such thing as funding from the Council for places of worship other than for Churches, Chapels and Cathedrals. This building has been unused due to lack of worshippers, and this trend is throughout Britain, and taxpayer money is heavily invested to keep these buildings standing.

It's time we got our money together and made an effort on our churches rather than look at other communities as scapegoats for our failings. It's a shame.
The 'Ethnic Minorities' including muslims in Bradford fundraise for their own places of worship and collectively put their own money into their projects. There is no such thing as funding from the Council for places of worship other than for Churches, Chapels and Cathedrals. This building has been unused due to lack of worshippers, and this trend is throughout Britain, and taxpayer money is heavily invested to keep these buildings standing. It's time we got our money together and made an effort on our churches rather than look at other communities as scapegoats for our failings. It's a shame. aletheia-emet
  • Score: 41

9:44am Tue 26 Aug 14

klevispin says...

Can't help but think that it maybe wouldn't be such a magnet for crime and criminals if it wasn't surrounded by overgrown bushes for people to hide in. Why not just slash all of that down first and see if it helps reduce the number of incidents? Or, if there's nobody to take it on, why not just have a partial demolition, to leave an open folly kind of feature, where criminals can't shelter but we still preserve some of the architecture?
Can't help but think that it maybe wouldn't be such a magnet for crime and criminals if it wasn't surrounded by overgrown bushes for people to hide in. Why not just slash all of that down first and see if it helps reduce the number of incidents? Or, if there's nobody to take it on, why not just have a partial demolition, to leave an open folly kind of feature, where criminals can't shelter but we still preserve some of the architecture? klevispin
  • Score: 31

9:49am Tue 26 Aug 14

aletheia-emet says...

klevispin wrote:
Can't help but think that it maybe wouldn't be such a magnet for crime and criminals if it wasn't surrounded by overgrown bushes for people to hide in. Why not just slash all of that down first and see if it helps reduce the number of incidents? Or, if there's nobody to take it on, why not just have a partial demolition, to leave an open folly kind of feature, where criminals can't shelter but we still preserve some of the architecture?
You're right. Apart from the roof, the actually building looks fine. Maybe rebuild the roof, cut down the bushes etc and then use it as something.

The problem is, what can you use a building in the middle of a cemetery as?
They could open a crematorium.
[quote][p][bold]klevispin[/bold] wrote: Can't help but think that it maybe wouldn't be such a magnet for crime and criminals if it wasn't surrounded by overgrown bushes for people to hide in. Why not just slash all of that down first and see if it helps reduce the number of incidents? Or, if there's nobody to take it on, why not just have a partial demolition, to leave an open folly kind of feature, where criminals can't shelter but we still preserve some of the architecture?[/p][/quote]You're right. Apart from the roof, the actually building looks fine. Maybe rebuild the roof, cut down the bushes etc and then use it as something. The problem is, what can you use a building in the middle of a cemetery as? They could open a crematorium. aletheia-emet
  • Score: 19

10:07am Tue 26 Aug 14

tinytoonster says...

aletheia-emet wrote:
The 'Ethnic Minorities' including muslims in Bradford fundraise for their own places of worship and collectively put their own money into their projects. There is no such thing as funding from the Council for places of worship other than for Churches, Chapels and Cathedrals. This building has been unused due to lack of worshippers, and this trend is throughout Britain, and taxpayer money is heavily invested to keep these buildings standing.

It's time we got our money together and made an effort on our churches rather than look at other communities as scapegoats for our failings. It's a shame.
the church should be looked after by the religious group who's religion it belongs to.
they have enough money.
criminals will hang around there wether church goes or not.
they have done for decades.
used to be a warden there in the 80's but cutbacks knocked that on the head.
any normal person would realise cemeteries are sacred.
[quote][p][bold]aletheia-emet[/bold] wrote: The 'Ethnic Minorities' including muslims in Bradford fundraise for their own places of worship and collectively put their own money into their projects. There is no such thing as funding from the Council for places of worship other than for Churches, Chapels and Cathedrals. This building has been unused due to lack of worshippers, and this trend is throughout Britain, and taxpayer money is heavily invested to keep these buildings standing. It's time we got our money together and made an effort on our churches rather than look at other communities as scapegoats for our failings. It's a shame.[/p][/quote]the church should be looked after by the religious group who's religion it belongs to. they have enough money. criminals will hang around there wether church goes or not. they have done for decades. used to be a warden there in the 80's but cutbacks knocked that on the head. any normal person would realise cemeteries are sacred. tinytoonster
  • Score: 17

10:11am Tue 26 Aug 14

khanivore says...

LMAS24 wrote:
It is so true what everyone is saying - the council have to maintain their properties just like all other landlords. I visited the cemetery recently and the whole place is a mess! This upset my mother greatly as her parents and brothers and sisters are in that cemetery and she was shocked at the state of it. And so very true if it was for any of the so called Ethnic Minority in Bradford the money would soon be found!! When will we start looking after our own in this country??????
there are "so called ethnic minorities" buried there too, it hasn't stopped them demolishing it or allowing the grounds to become dilapidated! so what are you insinuating being so poorly informed. I am of an "ethnic minority" and involved in the friends of Bowling Park which involves us in the cemetery at times however as a voluntary group of people we cannot maintain the grounds as the council should be maintaining them.
[quote][p][bold]LMAS24[/bold] wrote: It is so true what everyone is saying - the council have to maintain their properties just like all other landlords. I visited the cemetery recently and the whole place is a mess! This upset my mother greatly as her parents and brothers and sisters are in that cemetery and she was shocked at the state of it. And so very true if it was for any of the so called Ethnic Minority in Bradford the money would soon be found!! When will we start looking after our own in this country??????[/p][/quote]there are "so called ethnic minorities" buried there too, it hasn't stopped them demolishing it or allowing the grounds to become dilapidated! so what are you insinuating being so poorly informed. I am of an "ethnic minority" and involved in the friends of Bowling Park which involves us in the cemetery at times however as a voluntary group of people we cannot maintain the grounds as the council should be maintaining them. khanivore
  • Score: 13

10:12am Tue 26 Aug 14

Simon4567 says...

Not sure why people are surprised, Bradford council has a long history of tearing down architecturally impressive buildings.

The thing is, when I look at that building I see a huge amount of resale value in the carved stonework, I would be stunned if they just demolish it and scrap it, surely someone would be able to make better use of those materials than just throw them in a skip.
Not sure why people are surprised, Bradford council has a long history of tearing down architecturally impressive buildings. The thing is, when I look at that building I see a huge amount of resale value in the carved stonework, I would be stunned if they just demolish it and scrap it, surely someone would be able to make better use of those materials than just throw them in a skip. Simon4567
  • Score: 19

10:16am Tue 26 Aug 14

khanivore says...

wolfspeak wrote:
Why not convert it into a Mosque and see if there is funding available then?
why not convert your hollow thick skull into a full working head with a brain? then comments on here wont be that stupid and bigoted! mosques don't get any financial support from the council for building or maintenance.
[quote][p][bold]wolfspeak[/bold] wrote: Why not convert it into a Mosque and see if there is funding available then?[/p][/quote]why not convert your hollow thick skull into a full working head with a brain? then comments on here wont be that stupid and bigoted! mosques don't get any financial support from the council for building or maintenance. khanivore
  • Score: 17

10:18am Tue 26 Aug 14

heartbroken. says...

Could it not be moved and rebuilt rather than losing yet another listed building, one that could be beautiful and used as a Church again.
Could it not be moved and rebuilt rather than losing yet another listed building, one that could be beautiful and used as a Church again. heartbroken.
  • Score: 15

10:39am Tue 26 Aug 14

Adamget says...

Maybe some "partnership" working can result in "partnership" sharing of budgets to renovate it rather than on crime detection? A good use of the various budgets for crime prevention and community cohesion.
Maybe some "partnership" working can result in "partnership" sharing of budgets to renovate it rather than on crime detection? A good use of the various budgets for crime prevention and community cohesion. Adamget
  • Score: 5

10:41am Tue 26 Aug 14

Pity Poor Bradford says...

aletheia-emet wrote:
klevispin wrote:
Can't help but think that it maybe wouldn't be such a magnet for crime and criminals if it wasn't surrounded by overgrown bushes for people to hide in. Why not just slash all of that down first and see if it helps reduce the number of incidents? Or, if there's nobody to take it on, why not just have a partial demolition, to leave an open folly kind of feature, where criminals can't shelter but we still preserve some of the architecture?
You're right. Apart from the roof, the actually building looks fine. Maybe rebuild the roof, cut down the bushes etc and then use it as something.

The problem is, what can you use a building in the middle of a cemetery as?
They could open a crematorium.
How about a coffee shop/florists?
[quote][p][bold]aletheia-emet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]klevispin[/bold] wrote: Can't help but think that it maybe wouldn't be such a magnet for crime and criminals if it wasn't surrounded by overgrown bushes for people to hide in. Why not just slash all of that down first and see if it helps reduce the number of incidents? Or, if there's nobody to take it on, why not just have a partial demolition, to leave an open folly kind of feature, where criminals can't shelter but we still preserve some of the architecture?[/p][/quote]You're right. Apart from the roof, the actually building looks fine. Maybe rebuild the roof, cut down the bushes etc and then use it as something. The problem is, what can you use a building in the middle of a cemetery as? They could open a crematorium.[/p][/quote]How about a coffee shop/florists? Pity Poor Bradford
  • Score: 9

10:48am Tue 26 Aug 14

DavidCrocket says...

aletheia-emet wrote:
klevispin wrote:
Can't help but think that it maybe wouldn't be such a magnet for crime and criminals if it wasn't surrounded by overgrown bushes for people to hide in. Why not just slash all of that down first and see if it helps reduce the number of incidents? Or, if there's nobody to take it on, why not just have a partial demolition, to leave an open folly kind of feature, where criminals can't shelter but we still preserve some of the architecture?
You're right. Apart from the roof, the actually building looks fine. Maybe rebuild the roof, cut down the bushes etc and then use it as something.

The problem is, what can you use a building in the middle of a cemetery as?
They could open a crematorium.
Makes a lot of sense that, even if a use could not be found for it, it could be sealed permanently, its a lovely building......
[quote][p][bold]aletheia-emet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]klevispin[/bold] wrote: Can't help but think that it maybe wouldn't be such a magnet for crime and criminals if it wasn't surrounded by overgrown bushes for people to hide in. Why not just slash all of that down first and see if it helps reduce the number of incidents? Or, if there's nobody to take it on, why not just have a partial demolition, to leave an open folly kind of feature, where criminals can't shelter but we still preserve some of the architecture?[/p][/quote]You're right. Apart from the roof, the actually building looks fine. Maybe rebuild the roof, cut down the bushes etc and then use it as something. The problem is, what can you use a building in the middle of a cemetery as? They could open a crematorium.[/p][/quote]Makes a lot of sense that, even if a use could not be found for it, it could be sealed permanently, its a lovely building...... DavidCrocket
  • Score: 9

10:56am Tue 26 Aug 14

DavidCrocket says...

The fact of the matter is, Bradford council could care less, you just have to look at the destruction they have presided over in the city centre.....
What is need, is a properly funded historical department in Bradford, nothing to do with the council.....
The fact of the matter is, Bradford council could care less, you just have to look at the destruction they have presided over in the city centre..... What is need, is a properly funded historical department in Bradford, nothing to do with the council..... DavidCrocket
  • Score: 18

11:02am Tue 26 Aug 14

Albion. says...

aletheia-emet wrote:
The 'Ethnic Minorities' including muslims in Bradford fundraise for their own places of worship and collectively put their own money into their projects. There is no such thing as funding from the Council for places of worship other than for Churches, Chapels and Cathedrals. This building has been unused due to lack of worshippers, and this trend is throughout Britain, and taxpayer money is heavily invested to keep these buildings standing.

It's time we got our money together and made an effort on our churches rather than look at other communities as scapegoats for our failings. It's a shame.
The reason is usually because they are listed buildings, rather than places of worship. Personally I would be happy if ALL places of worship were changed into something more useful.
[quote][p][bold]aletheia-emet[/bold] wrote: The 'Ethnic Minorities' including muslims in Bradford fundraise for their own places of worship and collectively put their own money into their projects. There is no such thing as funding from the Council for places of worship other than for Churches, Chapels and Cathedrals. This building has been unused due to lack of worshippers, and this trend is throughout Britain, and taxpayer money is heavily invested to keep these buildings standing. It's time we got our money together and made an effort on our churches rather than look at other communities as scapegoats for our failings. It's a shame.[/p][/quote]The reason is usually because they are listed buildings, rather than places of worship. Personally I would be happy if ALL places of worship were changed into something more useful. Albion.
  • Score: 6

11:15am Tue 26 Aug 14

LMAS24 says...

aletheia-emet wrote:
The 'Ethnic Minorities' including muslims in Bradford fundraise for their own places of worship and collectively put their own money into their projects. There is no such thing as funding from the Council for places of worship other than for Churches, Chapels and Cathedrals. This building has been unused due to lack of worshippers, and this trend is throughout Britain, and taxpayer money is heavily invested to keep these buildings standing.

It's time we got our money together and made an effort on our churches rather than look at other communities as scapegoats for our failings. It's a shame.
Sorry it was closed down to cut costs many many years ago. I would also like to point out indeed we fund our own churches and places of worship but this chapel is owned by Bradford Council and it is impossible to use when it is closed and we have the Council to thank for that. Because of that it has slowly got into a worse state of repair - the whole cemetery is in a terrible state. I know as a taxpayer I would like to stop my money being spent on people coming from other countries being housed and kept. I never mentioned paying for their churches, it is everything else we pay for I don't agree with. And I will point out anyone is welcome here who can provide for themselves and families and contribute to the community..... I am sure then we could afford to upkeep landmarks such as this. My grandfather who fought in the 1st world war and has more than paid his dues to this country is buried there and whilst us his family keep his grave immaculate the whole surrounding area is poorly kept. This used to be such a lovely cemetery and a lovely place to pay your respect.
[quote][p][bold]aletheia-emet[/bold] wrote: The 'Ethnic Minorities' including muslims in Bradford fundraise for their own places of worship and collectively put their own money into their projects. There is no such thing as funding from the Council for places of worship other than for Churches, Chapels and Cathedrals. This building has been unused due to lack of worshippers, and this trend is throughout Britain, and taxpayer money is heavily invested to keep these buildings standing. It's time we got our money together and made an effort on our churches rather than look at other communities as scapegoats for our failings. It's a shame.[/p][/quote]Sorry it was closed down to cut costs many many years ago. I would also like to point out indeed we fund our own churches and places of worship but this chapel is owned by Bradford Council and it is impossible to use when it is closed and we have the Council to thank for that. Because of that it has slowly got into a worse state of repair - the whole cemetery is in a terrible state. I know as a taxpayer I would like to stop my money being spent on people coming from other countries being housed and kept. I never mentioned paying for their churches, it is everything else we pay for I don't agree with. And I will point out anyone is welcome here who can provide for themselves and families and contribute to the community..... I am sure then we could afford to upkeep landmarks such as this. My grandfather who fought in the 1st world war and has more than paid his dues to this country is buried there and whilst us his family keep his grave immaculate the whole surrounding area is poorly kept. This used to be such a lovely cemetery and a lovely place to pay your respect. LMAS24
  • Score: 17

11:18am Tue 26 Aug 14

LMAS24 says...

tinytoonster wrote:
aletheia-emet wrote:
The 'Ethnic Minorities' including muslims in Bradford fundraise for their own places of worship and collectively put their own money into their projects. There is no such thing as funding from the Council for places of worship other than for Churches, Chapels and Cathedrals. This building has been unused due to lack of worshippers, and this trend is throughout Britain, and taxpayer money is heavily invested to keep these buildings standing.

It's time we got our money together and made an effort on our churches rather than look at other communities as scapegoats for our failings. It's a shame.
the church should be looked after by the religious group who's religion it belongs to.
they have enough money.
criminals will hang around there wether church goes or not.
they have done for decades.
used to be a warden there in the 80's but cutbacks knocked that on the head.
any normal person would realise cemeteries are sacred.
I think you should all re read my post I did not say we paid for your places of worship. We pay for plenty of other things. But those who were not born here are welcome but should pay for their own housing and not be able to claim benefits from a state they haven't contributed - I don't think that unreasonable. Then we would have enough money to do everything needed. I don't think this can be disputed
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aletheia-emet[/bold] wrote: The 'Ethnic Minorities' including muslims in Bradford fundraise for their own places of worship and collectively put their own money into their projects. There is no such thing as funding from the Council for places of worship other than for Churches, Chapels and Cathedrals. This building has been unused due to lack of worshippers, and this trend is throughout Britain, and taxpayer money is heavily invested to keep these buildings standing. It's time we got our money together and made an effort on our churches rather than look at other communities as scapegoats for our failings. It's a shame.[/p][/quote]the church should be looked after by the religious group who's religion it belongs to. they have enough money. criminals will hang around there wether church goes or not. they have done for decades. used to be a warden there in the 80's but cutbacks knocked that on the head. any normal person would realise cemeteries are sacred.[/p][/quote]I think you should all re read my post I did not say we paid for your places of worship. We pay for plenty of other things. But those who were not born here are welcome but should pay for their own housing and not be able to claim benefits from a state they haven't contributed - I don't think that unreasonable. Then we would have enough money to do everything needed. I don't think this can be disputed LMAS24
  • Score: 14

11:43am Tue 26 Aug 14

davetherave2012 says...

Would the Bradford council consider giving to my church group? we are Born again Christians, and are having to use a Room in a local school on sunday to worship, there is many Christians around Bradford, if we all got together and put a few quid in the pot we could get that church back to its former glory,that is what the muslims do, and just look at the amount of Mosques what have shot up around here, So come on Christians get in touch, lets build together, it would please our LORD. THANK YOU, AND god bless.
Would the Bradford council consider giving to my church group? we are Born again Christians, and are having to use a Room in a local school on sunday to worship, there is many Christians around Bradford, if we all got together and put a few quid in the pot we could get that church back to its former glory,that is what the muslims do, and just look at the amount of Mosques what have shot up around here, So come on Christians get in touch, lets build together, it would please our LORD. THANK YOU, AND god bless. davetherave2012
  • Score: 14

12:06pm Tue 26 Aug 14

From Darkness To Light says...

Why don't the council submit plans to do the same thing to the Odean?
Why don't the council submit plans to do the same thing to the Odean? From Darkness To Light
  • Score: -1

12:21pm Tue 26 Aug 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

A lot of members of my family are buried there and the last time I visited the majority of the cemetry was in a terrible state.As regards the Church being a place of worship,I think you will find it was only used during a funeral ceremony.In those days nearly all Catholics were buried,nowadays times have changed and the majority of Catholics have accepted cremation as an alternative to burial,hence the lack of use.I was born and bred in West Bowling and can never remember the church used for anything other than burials.
A lot of members of my family are buried there and the last time I visited the majority of the cemetry was in a terrible state.As regards the Church being a place of worship,I think you will find it was only used during a funeral ceremony.In those days nearly all Catholics were buried,nowadays times have changed and the majority of Catholics have accepted cremation as an alternative to burial,hence the lack of use.I was born and bred in West Bowling and can never remember the church used for anything other than burials. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 12

12:25pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Bone_idle18 says...

We should not be looking at encouraging any religious groups. One look at the new every day shows what a destructive force religion is.

Then speaking to religious people show how intolerant and prejudiced they are.

the greatest barrier to a tolerant and peaceful society is religion!
We should not be looking at encouraging any religious groups. One look at the new every day shows what a destructive force religion is. Then speaking to religious people show how intolerant and prejudiced they are. the greatest barrier to a tolerant and peaceful society is religion! Bone_idle18
  • Score: 11

12:36pm Tue 26 Aug 14

aletheia-emet says...

davetherave2012 wrote:
Would the Bradford council consider giving to my church group? we are Born again Christians, and are having to use a Room in a local school on sunday to worship, there is many Christians around Bradford, if we all got together and put a few quid in the pot we could get that church back to its former glory,that is what the muslims do, and just look at the amount of Mosques what have shot up around here, So come on Christians get in touch, lets build together, it would please our LORD. THANK YOU, AND god bless.
You're right - this is exactly what needs to happen.

But why would Bradford Council just give you the building. I'm assuming you will need to pay for it. A group of Muslim residents put a bid in for a building owned by council a few years ago and were given it. It cost them £150k and they all got together and bought it. This is in West Bowling.

So come on everyone - lets do the same.
[quote][p][bold]davetherave2012[/bold] wrote: Would the Bradford council consider giving to my church group? we are Born again Christians, and are having to use a Room in a local school on sunday to worship, there is many Christians around Bradford, if we all got together and put a few quid in the pot we could get that church back to its former glory,that is what the muslims do, and just look at the amount of Mosques what have shot up around here, So come on Christians get in touch, lets build together, it would please our LORD. THANK YOU, AND god bless.[/p][/quote]You're right - this is exactly what needs to happen. But why would Bradford Council just give you the building. I'm assuming you will need to pay for it. A group of Muslim residents put a bid in for a building owned by council a few years ago and were given it. It cost them £150k and they all got together and bought it. This is in West Bowling. So come on everyone - lets do the same. aletheia-emet
  • Score: 11

1:12pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Mycosyco says...

So can we expect defendants to put up a "It was the building" defence?
So can we expect defendants to put up a "It was the building" defence? Mycosyco
  • Score: 4

1:14pm Tue 26 Aug 14

davetherave2012 says...

Hi, as I said further up this page us Christians should Band together, it would not take 2 min to get the money together if every Christian put a Donation towards this little church being renovated, together we stand to put new life back into this over 100 year old building, the council would be glad to get rid of it, it would look beautiful restored, and open up for worship again, please people, band together make this happen
Hi, as I said further up this page us Christians should Band together, it would not take 2 min to get the money together if every Christian put a Donation towards this little church being renovated, together we stand to put new life back into this over 100 year old building, the council would be glad to get rid of it, it would look beautiful restored, and open up for worship again, please people, band together make this happen davetherave2012
  • Score: 3

1:59pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Bradfordbull72 says...

My father is buried near this building as are two of my grandparents, it is a shame to see a church in this state, at the moment it is an eyesore and needs to be demolished. The state of it angers me every time I see it. I have visited this cemetery regularly since 1988 and this building has been left to fall into this disrepair since this time.
My father is buried near this building as are two of my grandparents, it is a shame to see a church in this state, at the moment it is an eyesore and needs to be demolished. The state of it angers me every time I see it. I have visited this cemetery regularly since 1988 and this building has been left to fall into this disrepair since this time. Bradfordbull72
  • Score: 7

2:20pm Tue 26 Aug 14

LeftLongAgo says...

aletheia-emet wrote:
The 'Ethnic Minorities' including muslims in Bradford fundraise for their own places of worship and collectively put their own money into their projects. There is no such thing as funding from the Council for places of worship other than for Churches, Chapels and Cathedrals. This building has been unused due to lack of worshippers, and this trend is throughout Britain, and taxpayer money is heavily invested to keep these buildings standing.

It's time we got our money together and made an effort on our churches rather than look at other communities as scapegoats for our failings. It's a shame.
Uhhhm. This was a Catholic church. It was not in anyway funded by the state until it was handed over to Bradford Council. Only Church of England places of worship are funded by the state.
[quote][p][bold]aletheia-emet[/bold] wrote: The 'Ethnic Minorities' including muslims in Bradford fundraise for their own places of worship and collectively put their own money into their projects. There is no such thing as funding from the Council for places of worship other than for Churches, Chapels and Cathedrals. This building has been unused due to lack of worshippers, and this trend is throughout Britain, and taxpayer money is heavily invested to keep these buildings standing. It's time we got our money together and made an effort on our churches rather than look at other communities as scapegoats for our failings. It's a shame.[/p][/quote]Uhhhm. This was a Catholic church. It was not in anyway funded by the state until it was handed over to Bradford Council. Only Church of England places of worship are funded by the state. LeftLongAgo
  • Score: 1

3:12pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Bikerbeardy says...

davetherave2012 wrote:
Hi, as I said further up this page us Christians should Band together, it would not take 2 min to get the money together if every Christian put a Donation towards this little church being renovated, together we stand to put new life back into this over 100 year old building, the council would be glad to get rid of it, it would look beautiful restored, and open up for worship again, please people, band together make this happen
How do you mean, "us christians", thats your room full and the heaven hopefulls that go to church on a sunday, probably a couple of thousand if your lucky, thats from a population of about 500,000 across the district, theres not many actual "Christians " left really, i know im certainly not, and neither is anyone i know or any of my family.
[quote][p][bold]davetherave2012[/bold] wrote: Hi, as I said further up this page us Christians should Band together, it would not take 2 min to get the money together if every Christian put a Donation towards this little church being renovated, together we stand to put new life back into this over 100 year old building, the council would be glad to get rid of it, it would look beautiful restored, and open up for worship again, please people, band together make this happen[/p][/quote]How do you mean, "us christians", thats your room full and the heaven hopefulls that go to church on a sunday, probably a couple of thousand if your lucky, thats from a population of about 500,000 across the district, theres not many actual "Christians " left really, i know im certainly not, and neither is anyone i know or any of my family. Bikerbeardy
  • Score: 0

3:13pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Scotyke says...

If demolishing in part or whole is the only answer, then disgrace has to fall upon Roman Catholicism - an extremely rich religious body - for abandoning their church.

I'm not religious, but I'd put a few quid in the kitty if someone organised an official appeal.

And as for the offenders, well they'll move and offend somewhere else of course.
If demolishing in part or whole is the only answer, then disgrace has to fall upon Roman Catholicism - an extremely rich religious body - for abandoning their church. I'm not religious, but I'd put a few quid in the kitty if someone organised an official appeal. And as for the offenders, well they'll move and offend somewhere else of course. Scotyke
  • Score: 3

3:26pm Tue 26 Aug 14

wolfspeak says...

In the interests of community harmony between our warring factions ,how about making it the Israeli Consulate?
In the interests of community harmony between our warring factions ,how about making it the Israeli Consulate? wolfspeak
  • Score: 10

3:28pm Tue 26 Aug 14

LeftLongAgo says...

Scotyke wrote:
If demolishing in part or whole is the only answer, then disgrace has to fall upon Roman Catholicism - an extremely rich religious body - for abandoning their church.

I'm not religious, but I'd put a few quid in the kitty if someone organised an official appeal.

And as for the offenders, well they'll move and offend somewhere else of course.
Think you will find that the deal was Bradford Council got the property for free with a proimse to develop it for the community and for the upkeep of the cemetery. They failed in both roles. Not the RC church.
[quote][p][bold]Scotyke[/bold] wrote: If demolishing in part or whole is the only answer, then disgrace has to fall upon Roman Catholicism - an extremely rich religious body - for abandoning their church. I'm not religious, but I'd put a few quid in the kitty if someone organised an official appeal. And as for the offenders, well they'll move and offend somewhere else of course.[/p][/quote]Think you will find that the deal was Bradford Council got the property for free with a proimse to develop it for the community and for the upkeep of the cemetery. They failed in both roles. Not the RC church. LeftLongAgo
  • Score: 8

3:31pm Tue 26 Aug 14

LeftLongAgo says...

wolfspeak wrote:
In the interests of community harmony between our warring factions ,how about making it the Israeli Consulate?
Too late, Wolfspeak, there is already a black flag flying from the top of it and pick-up trucks among the gravestones. The community have claimed it for themselves, IS HQ. Give them an inch!
[quote][p][bold]wolfspeak[/bold] wrote: In the interests of community harmony between our warring factions ,how about making it the Israeli Consulate?[/p][/quote]Too late, Wolfspeak, there is already a black flag flying from the top of it and pick-up trucks among the gravestones. The community have claimed it for themselves, IS HQ. Give them an inch! LeftLongAgo
  • Score: 2

4:09pm Tue 26 Aug 14

vbfg says...

Well I for one am glad a building that has sat empty for nearly thirty years isn't monitored by the police for twenty four hours a day. For me this is evidence the police are doing their jobs, not evidence that they're not.

I think after this length of time it's safe to say nobody wants to live in a cemetery and it's unlikely to be converted into anything useful.

At which point, while you may all love the idea of this useless pile of stone existing for no discernible purpose, better to knock it down and have the space actually be useful to people.
Well I for one am glad a building that has sat empty for nearly thirty years isn't monitored by the police for twenty four hours a day. For me this is evidence the police are doing their jobs, not evidence that they're not. I think after this length of time it's safe to say nobody wants to live in a cemetery and it's unlikely to be converted into anything useful. At which point, while you may all love the idea of this useless pile of stone existing for no discernible purpose, better to knock it down and have the space actually be useful to people. vbfg
  • Score: 5

4:14pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Class_War says...

The Council are irresponsible maniacs and are brteaking the Law. No way should the building be demolished! That solution is idiotic and absolutely unacceptable.
The Council are irresponsible maniacs and are brteaking the Law. No way should the building be demolished! That solution is idiotic and absolutely unacceptable. Class_War
  • Score: 3

4:35pm Tue 26 Aug 14

davetherave2012 says...

Bikerbeardy wrote:
davetherave2012 wrote:
Hi, as I said further up this page us Christians should Band together, it would not take 2 min to get the money together if every Christian put a Donation towards this little church being renovated, together we stand to put new life back into this over 100 year old building, the council would be glad to get rid of it, it would look beautiful restored, and open up for worship again, please people, band together make this happen
How do you mean, "us christians", thats your room full and the heaven hopefulls that go to church on a sunday, probably a couple of thousand if your lucky, thats from a population of about 500,000 across the district, theres not many actual "Christians " left really, i know im certainly not, and neither is anyone i know or any of my family.
you pick your choice, just because you don't know of any wow I must be wrong then? try wapping road Abundent Life on busy day sunday, they have turnouts of over 1,000 just there.
[quote][p][bold]Bikerbeardy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davetherave2012[/bold] wrote: Hi, as I said further up this page us Christians should Band together, it would not take 2 min to get the money together if every Christian put a Donation towards this little church being renovated, together we stand to put new life back into this over 100 year old building, the council would be glad to get rid of it, it would look beautiful restored, and open up for worship again, please people, band together make this happen[/p][/quote]How do you mean, "us christians", thats your room full and the heaven hopefulls that go to church on a sunday, probably a couple of thousand if your lucky, thats from a population of about 500,000 across the district, theres not many actual "Christians " left really, i know im certainly not, and neither is anyone i know or any of my family.[/p][/quote]you pick your choice, just because you don't know of any wow I must be wrong then? try wapping road Abundent Life on busy day sunday, they have turnouts of over 1,000 just there. davetherave2012
  • Score: 1

4:36pm Tue 26 Aug 14

LeftLongAgo says...

I am surprised the council have not called in their friends in the gypsy/roma/travellin
g community to give a quote on fixing the roof and perhaps a new driveway.
(by the way, why is it against the publics interest to know how much Omar Khan has paid back from his 200,000 loan), and why can we not comment on that story?
I am surprised the council have not called in their friends in the gypsy/roma/travellin g community to give a quote on fixing the roof and perhaps a new driveway. (by the way, why is it against the publics interest to know how much Omar Khan has paid back from his 200,000 loan), and why can we not comment on that story? LeftLongAgo
  • Score: 6

4:51pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Albion. says...

davetherave2012 wrote:
Bikerbeardy wrote:
davetherave2012 wrote:
Hi, as I said further up this page us Christians should Band together, it would not take 2 min to get the money together if every Christian put a Donation towards this little church being renovated, together we stand to put new life back into this over 100 year old building, the council would be glad to get rid of it, it would look beautiful restored, and open up for worship again, please people, band together make this happen
How do you mean, "us christians", thats your room full and the heaven hopefulls that go to church on a sunday, probably a couple of thousand if your lucky, thats from a population of about 500,000 across the district, theres not many actual "Christians " left really, i know im certainly not, and neither is anyone i know or any of my family.
you pick your choice, just because you don't know of any wow I must be wrong then? try wapping road Abundent Life on busy day sunday, they have turnouts of over 1,000 just there.
You can't even spell it you idiot.
[quote][p][bold]davetherave2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bikerbeardy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davetherave2012[/bold] wrote: Hi, as I said further up this page us Christians should Band together, it would not take 2 min to get the money together if every Christian put a Donation towards this little church being renovated, together we stand to put new life back into this over 100 year old building, the council would be glad to get rid of it, it would look beautiful restored, and open up for worship again, please people, band together make this happen[/p][/quote]How do you mean, "us christians", thats your room full and the heaven hopefulls that go to church on a sunday, probably a couple of thousand if your lucky, thats from a population of about 500,000 across the district, theres not many actual "Christians " left really, i know im certainly not, and neither is anyone i know or any of my family.[/p][/quote]you pick your choice, just because you don't know of any wow I must be wrong then? try wapping road Abundent Life on busy day sunday, they have turnouts of over 1,000 just there.[/p][/quote]You can't even spell it you idiot. Albion.
  • Score: 3

4:55pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Robin of Loxley says...

How sad if it was to be demolished. All that vibrant history gone down the toilet in a few hours because some do-gooders said so.

Disgusting.

If it goes ahead, the Council should be ashamed of themselves (if they *have* any shame that is).
How sad if it was to be demolished. All that vibrant history gone down the toilet in a few hours because some do-gooders said so. Disgusting. If it goes ahead, the Council should be ashamed of themselves (if they *have* any shame that is). Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 6

6:18pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Jordan"G" says...

Such a shame, another few years England will only have contemporary buildings left, such as the horrible concrete building on Westgate.
Such a shame, another few years England will only have contemporary buildings left, such as the horrible concrete building on Westgate. Jordan"G"
  • Score: 6

6:41pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Jordan"G" says...

Why don't the council convert it into an inter-faith community centre?
Why don't the council convert it into an inter-faith community centre? Jordan"G"
  • Score: 1

7:01pm Tue 26 Aug 14

What?,when?,where? says...

So here it is, wherever there is a lot of crime are we going to see the demolition gangs move in, going to be a lot of flat brownfield sites in Bradford "Whats that, there are already plenty of those", oh i did not realise that, with so many green fields being built on.
Just clear the undergrowth for for pitys sake, once its gone then thats that.
So here it is, wherever there is a lot of crime are we going to see the demolition gangs move in, going to be a lot of flat brownfield sites in Bradford "Whats that, there are already plenty of those", oh i did not realise that, with so many green fields being built on. Just clear the undergrowth for for pitys sake, once its gone then thats that. What?,when?,where?
  • Score: 6

7:56pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Not so simple says...

What a shame an historical site has been strategically allowed to become so dilapidated that it requires demolition. Then again the rest of England has plenty of such examples and Bradford Council is not the only useless council in the land.

These are vandals who are educated and we vote for them to keep power: now go kick yourself for allowing this country and it's infrastructure to go down the pan. Shame
What a shame an historical site has been strategically allowed to become so dilapidated that it requires demolition. Then again the rest of England has plenty of such examples and Bradford Council is not the only useless council in the land. These are vandals who are educated and we vote for them to keep power: now go kick yourself for allowing this country and it's infrastructure to go down the pan. Shame Not so simple
  • Score: 9

8:17pm Tue 26 Aug 14

alive and awake says...

No it does not have to be demolished. the police should do their jobs as should the courts. Then the Catholic Church should get it's hand in it's pocket and have it restored, they will have had plenty out of it over the years.
No it does not have to be demolished. the police should do their jobs as should the courts. Then the Catholic Church should get it's hand in it's pocket and have it restored, they will have had plenty out of it over the years. alive and awake
  • Score: 5

8:39pm Tue 26 Aug 14

LeftLongAgo says...

alive and awake wrote:
No it does not have to be demolished. the police should do their jobs as should the courts. Then the Catholic Church should get it's hand in it's pocket and have it restored, they will have had plenty out of it over the years.
Have you read the aricle.? The Catholic Church have nothing to do with this building. They gave is to Bradford Council 27 years ago with the promise from Bradford that it would be put to good use. Why should the Catholic Church refurbish properties owned by BMDC, what next, should they restore City Hall? Or come round to your place and give it a lick of paint "cos they got loadsa of money them catholics?" Do you know how the Catholic Church funds itself, its not like the CofE which is funded by the taxpayer.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: No it does not have to be demolished. the police should do their jobs as should the courts. Then the Catholic Church should get it's hand in it's pocket and have it restored, they will have had plenty out of it over the years.[/p][/quote]Have you read the aricle.? The Catholic Church have nothing to do with this building. They gave is to Bradford Council 27 years ago with the promise from Bradford that it would be put to good use. Why should the Catholic Church refurbish properties owned by BMDC, what next, should they restore City Hall? Or come round to your place and give it a lick of paint "cos they got loadsa of money them catholics?" Do you know how the Catholic Church funds itself, its not like the CofE which is funded by the taxpayer. LeftLongAgo
  • Score: 3

9:18pm Tue 26 Aug 14

alive and awake says...

LeftLongAgo wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
No it does not have to be demolished. the police should do their jobs as should the courts. Then the Catholic Church should get it's hand in it's pocket and have it restored, they will have had plenty out of it over the years.
Have you read the aricle.? The Catholic Church have nothing to do with this building. They gave is to Bradford Council 27 years ago with the promise from Bradford that it would be put to good use. Why should the Catholic Church refurbish properties owned by BMDC, what next, should they restore City Hall? Or come round to your place and give it a lick of paint "cos they got loadsa of money them catholics?" Do you know how the Catholic Church funds itself, its not like the CofE which is funded by the taxpayer.
You couldn't even begin to lecture me on the Catholic Church and it's finances. Yes I know exactly how the Catholic Church amassed it's great wealth, and how it holds on to it.,

As for the CoE well that's another matter altogether, big wages, big pensions, yes at the tax payers expense.
[quote][p][bold]LeftLongAgo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: No it does not have to be demolished. the police should do their jobs as should the courts. Then the Catholic Church should get it's hand in it's pocket and have it restored, they will have had plenty out of it over the years.[/p][/quote]Have you read the aricle.? The Catholic Church have nothing to do with this building. They gave is to Bradford Council 27 years ago with the promise from Bradford that it would be put to good use. Why should the Catholic Church refurbish properties owned by BMDC, what next, should they restore City Hall? Or come round to your place and give it a lick of paint "cos they got loadsa of money them catholics?" Do you know how the Catholic Church funds itself, its not like the CofE which is funded by the taxpayer.[/p][/quote]You couldn't even begin to lecture me on the Catholic Church and it's finances. Yes I know exactly how the Catholic Church amassed it's great wealth, and how it holds on to it., As for the CoE well that's another matter altogether, big wages, big pensions, yes at the tax payers expense. alive and awake
  • Score: 1

12:03am Wed 27 Aug 14

MarkClem says...

It would seem that there has been neglect and seriously inaction over many years to allow this beautiful character building to fall into it's current state of disrepair.
Grade 2 listing should be meaningful and it has obviously been given as this Chapel has some lovely features and fully restored would be a magnificent asset to the area.
It can clearly be seen, even to the untrained eye that the main structure is sound aside from the roof.
What a community asset this could be with the right funding and resolve. The building is not responsible for the behaviour of individuals would cannot see, and probably care less, as to what they are destroying. Buildings aren't built like this anymore, and the ones that have survived the test of time should be cherished.
The person who suggested clearing back the foliage as a first step to make it more able to be seen to deter wanton damage spoke sense.
I don't support any demolition as Grade 2 should mean grade 2 . If however the Council are unwilling/unable to do more then as much of the fabric and imposing features as posible should be retained in any partial demolition and landscaping.
Thank You for this forum to air an opinion on this matter
It would seem that there has been neglect and seriously inaction over many years to allow this beautiful character building to fall into it's current state of disrepair. Grade 2 listing should be meaningful and it has obviously been given as this Chapel has some lovely features and fully restored would be a magnificent asset to the area. It can clearly be seen, even to the untrained eye that the main structure is sound aside from the roof. What a community asset this could be with the right funding and resolve. The building is not responsible for the behaviour of individuals would cannot see, and probably care less, as to what they are destroying. Buildings aren't built like this anymore, and the ones that have survived the test of time should be cherished. The person who suggested clearing back the foliage as a first step to make it more able to be seen to deter wanton damage spoke sense. I don't support any demolition as Grade 2 should mean grade 2 . If however the Council are unwilling/unable to do more then as much of the fabric and imposing features as posible should be retained in any partial demolition and landscaping. Thank You for this forum to air an opinion on this matter MarkClem
  • Score: 1

11:33am Thu 28 Aug 14

Aiaali says...

This is a beautiful building that can be restored an used to serve the community. Why not turn it in to a coffee shop were all members of all faiths can go or even put some sort of museum there to teach the children the history of the area there is uses for this building. such a shame
This is a beautiful building that can be restored an used to serve the community. Why not turn it in to a coffee shop were all members of all faiths can go or even put some sort of museum there to teach the children the history of the area there is uses for this building. such a shame Aiaali
  • Score: 1

2:11pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Tinybantam says...

fedupwiththeBS wrote:
revolutionary idea; why not redevelop the building and the area, increase the police profile and take back an area for the decent people of this city rather than admitting defeat to the minority of scum bags that tarnish our city's once great name.
Well said!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: revolutionary idea; why not redevelop the building and the area, increase the police profile and take back an area for the decent people of this city rather than admitting defeat to the minority of scum bags that tarnish our city's once great name.[/p][/quote]Well said!!!!!!!! Tinybantam
  • Score: 2

10:53pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Haji says...

LMAS24 wrote:
It is so true what everyone is saying - the council have to maintain their properties just like all other landlords. I visited the cemetery recently and the whole place is a mess! This upset my mother greatly as her parents and brothers and sisters are in that cemetery and she was shocked at the state of it. And so very true if it was for any of the so called Ethnic Minority in Bradford the money would soon be found!! When will we start looking after our own in this country??????
I cant believe there are people who are even bring ethnic issues to this discussion. Some other idiot has even suggested turning it into a mosque to attract funding.

The problem happens to be vandals and criminals destroying this building and on some occassions the graves. It is an irrelevant point but I will make it anyway, the people arrested for some of these crimes all happen to be White.

Words like" looking after our own" would only be helpfuland meaningful if those you describe as your own are not causing the problems. Anyhow, someone else makes the point that there are people buried here who are from ethnic minority backgrounds so the problems are not JUST YOURS.

My advice is keep away from a keyboard until you go and learn something. A little knowledge iis dangerous
[quote][p][bold]LMAS24[/bold] wrote: It is so true what everyone is saying - the council have to maintain their properties just like all other landlords. I visited the cemetery recently and the whole place is a mess! This upset my mother greatly as her parents and brothers and sisters are in that cemetery and she was shocked at the state of it. And so very true if it was for any of the so called Ethnic Minority in Bradford the money would soon be found!! When will we start looking after our own in this country??????[/p][/quote]I cant believe there are people who are even bring ethnic issues to this discussion. Some other idiot has even suggested turning it into a mosque to attract funding. The problem happens to be vandals and criminals destroying this building and on some occassions the graves. It is an irrelevant point but I will make it anyway, the people arrested for some of these crimes all happen to be White. Words like" looking after our own" would only be helpfuland meaningful if those you describe as your own are not causing the problems. Anyhow, someone else makes the point that there are people buried here who are from ethnic minority backgrounds so the problems are not JUST YOURS. My advice is keep away from a keyboard until you go and learn something. A little knowledge iis dangerous Haji
  • Score: -1

6:08pm Mon 1 Sep 14

bullofbradford says...

Pity Poor Bradford wrote:
Here's an idea. Refurbish it and open it as a part time police station....
Agree - excellent thinking.
[quote][p][bold]Pity Poor Bradford[/bold] wrote: Here's an idea. Refurbish it and open it as a part time police station....[/p][/quote]Agree - excellent thinking. bullofbradford
  • Score: 1

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