Odeon plans designed to "complement rather than compete" with other Bradford venues

Artist's impression of Bradford Live's plans for the Odeon.

Artist's impression of Bradford Live's plans for the Odeon.

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , T&A Reporter

THE potential bidder in the running to develop the former Odeon building says it plans to "complement rather than compete" with the city's other major live entertainment venues.

The team behind Bradford Live has released a summary of their bid proposal, including suggesting it will complement the Alhambra Theatre and St George's Hall.

Bradford Live was announced as the only bidder to make it through to the final stage of a process to find a new use for the Council-owned landmark.

The proposed venue would hold 4,000 people and their concept wishes to be similar to the Hammersmith Apollo in London and they hope to attract big musical acts "which increasingly bypass Bradford". It will be designed specifically for "bigger amplified live music and entertainment shows."

Instead, Bradford Live bosses claim St George's Hall, which has a capacity of around 1,500, should focus on "natural acoustic performances, such as classical and choral music, jazz, folk, blues and comedy".

The statement, posted by Caroline Hayes, said: "It is important that a transformed Odeon does not drain audiences from either the Alhambra or St George's Hall.

"Bradford Live has developed a model that complements rather than competes.

"With a capacity of around 1,500, St George's Hall is now too small to retain its slot on many touring schedules.

"The acoustics, moreover, are not well suited to amplified music.

"Ironically, the key to the future of St George's is the successful transformation of the Odeon.

"The ultimate objective is for Bradford to have three highly focused venues; the Alhambra for theatre shows, St George's for mainly non-amplified performances and the Odeon for large amplified music and entertainment shows.

"This will allow St George's to refocus on its core strengths, it's intimate size and superb natural acoustic.

"The Bradford Live venue would primarily be an evening/night venue, and this is indeed what Bradford most needs, a venue to attract people into the city in the evening."

Bradford Live also insist they will not target The Alhambra's market of attracting major theatre productions.

In November, Bradford Council's Executive is due to make its final decision on whether or not Bradford Live's bid will get the go-ahead.

Bradford Live also revealed the site would be run by a professional operator.

The statement added: "We have had discussions with the main firms and have agreed an exclusivity agreement with one of them, which we will expand and deepen in this next stage of the process."

A spokesman from Bradford Council said they did not wish to make a comment while the bid was yet to go before them.

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9:05am Wed 20 Aug 14

llos25 says...

Softening the tax payer up for when its a flop.
Softening the tax payer up for when its a flop. llos25
  • Score: -40

9:30am Wed 20 Aug 14

Lynessman says...

Fantastic for the City and Region, please please make it happen !
Fantastic for the City and Region, please please make it happen ! Lynessman
  • Score: 37

9:33am Wed 20 Aug 14

angry bradfordian says...

All excellent news and the only bit I could disagree with is that Bradford is big musical acts "increasingly" bypass Bradford. Bradford is long dead as a venue for any significant bands.
I'm struggling to remember the last time one appeared at St Georges. It should be a really worrying fact that Bradford can't host acts that do appear in the likes of Holmfirth & Hebden Bridge.
That's one of the things that makes this scheme so exciting.
All excellent news and the only bit I could disagree with is that Bradford is big musical acts "increasingly" bypass Bradford. Bradford is long dead as a venue for any significant bands. I'm struggling to remember the last time one appeared at St Georges. It should be a really worrying fact that Bradford can't host acts that do appear in the likes of Holmfirth & Hebden Bridge. That's one of the things that makes this scheme so exciting. angry bradfordian
  • Score: 16

10:17am Wed 20 Aug 14

Old Dave says...

Ticket sales, and impressing promoters is everything. Jowls holland comes back almost annually to st George's hall, because he sells it out!

The acts that go to holmfirth are the ones that would be maybe viable at st George's, not the odeon.

I hope that this works, but unless they get a major promoter such as Simon Moran on board quickly, it could make for a tough time.
Ticket sales, and impressing promoters is everything. Jowls holland comes back almost annually to st George's hall, because he sells it out! The acts that go to holmfirth are the ones that would be maybe viable at st George's, not the odeon. I hope that this works, but unless they get a major promoter such as Simon Moran on board quickly, it could make for a tough time. Old Dave
  • Score: 5

10:38am Wed 20 Aug 14

LeftLongAgo says...

Can only be good. The last time i lived in Bradford I stayed for 6 years, and NOT ONCE was there anything that I wanted to watch or listen to at St. Georges Hall. Built it and they will come, as Kevin Costner would say.
Can only be good. The last time i lived in Bradford I stayed for 6 years, and NOT ONCE was there anything that I wanted to watch or listen to at St. Georges Hall. Built it and they will come, as Kevin Costner would say. LeftLongAgo
  • Score: 15

10:47am Wed 20 Aug 14

Farsley Bantam says...

LeftLongAgo wrote:
Can only be good. The last time i lived in Bradford I stayed for 6 years, and NOT ONCE was there anything that I wanted to watch or listen to at St. Georges Hall. Built it and they will come, as Kevin Costner would say.
I can't believe that there was nothing in 6 years that you wanted to see. Black Lace regularly play there. Seeing '****' live is a must see.
[quote][p][bold]LeftLongAgo[/bold] wrote: Can only be good. The last time i lived in Bradford I stayed for 6 years, and NOT ONCE was there anything that I wanted to watch or listen to at St. Georges Hall. Built it and they will come, as Kevin Costner would say.[/p][/quote]I can't believe that there was nothing in 6 years that you wanted to see. Black Lace regularly play there. Seeing '****' live is a must see. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -2

10:54am Wed 20 Aug 14

Joedavid says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
LeftLongAgo wrote:
Can only be good. The last time i lived in Bradford I stayed for 6 years, and NOT ONCE was there anything that I wanted to watch or listen to at St. Georges Hall. Built it and they will come, as Kevin Costner would say.
I can't believe that there was nothing in 6 years that you wanted to see. Black Lace regularly play there. Seeing '****' live is a must see.
I want to see Cannon and Ball's new show coming soon to St. Georges Hall but not going to sit in it's uncomfortable seats etc. for a couple of hours.
Will go to another location to see the show.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeftLongAgo[/bold] wrote: Can only be good. The last time i lived in Bradford I stayed for 6 years, and NOT ONCE was there anything that I wanted to watch or listen to at St. Georges Hall. Built it and they will come, as Kevin Costner would say.[/p][/quote]I can't believe that there was nothing in 6 years that you wanted to see. Black Lace regularly play there. Seeing '****' live is a must see.[/p][/quote]I want to see Cannon and Ball's new show coming soon to St. Georges Hall but not going to sit in it's uncomfortable seats etc. for a couple of hours. Will go to another location to see the show. Joedavid
  • Score: -4

10:58am Wed 20 Aug 14

LeftLongAgo says...

Black Lace - well if the were having a "Gang Bang" I might have turned up!
Black Lace - well if the were having a "Gang Bang" I might have turned up! LeftLongAgo
  • Score: 2

11:06am Wed 20 Aug 14

Farsley Bantam says...

LeftLongAgo wrote:
Black Lace - well if the were having a "Gang Bang" I might have turned up!
I put ' gang bang' in my original post but it was censored.
[quote][p][bold]LeftLongAgo[/bold] wrote: Black Lace - well if the were having a "Gang Bang" I might have turned up![/p][/quote]I put ' gang bang' in my original post but it was censored. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 5

11:31am Wed 20 Aug 14

Raj2121 says...

Just nock the rat infested ugly building down and stick a new block of offices there.
Just nock the rat infested ugly building down and stick a new block of offices there. Raj2121
  • Score: -27

11:57am Wed 20 Aug 14

LeftLongAgo says...

Raj2121.
Can you tell me who the tenants of your proposed offices buildings will be? The National HQ of "Car Wash Are Us" perhaps?
Please count the unrented square meterage of office buildings in and around Bradford and think, before jumping on a positive story.
Raj2121. Can you tell me who the tenants of your proposed offices buildings will be? The National HQ of "Car Wash Are Us" perhaps? Please count the unrented square meterage of office buildings in and around Bradford and think, before jumping on a positive story. LeftLongAgo
  • Score: 16

1:41pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Rumb7e says...

Musac and raising the cultural bar i'm all for it!

With Westfield - shop during the day and Live Music in the evening.

Will we recognise Bfd?
Musac and raising the cultural bar i'm all for it! With Westfield - shop during the day and Live Music in the evening. Will we recognise Bfd? Rumb7e
  • Score: 17

2:13pm Wed 20 Aug 14

basil fawlty says...

Old Dave wrote:
Ticket sales, and impressing promoters is everything. Jowls holland comes back almost annually to st George's hall, because he sells it out! The acts that go to holmfirth are the ones that would be maybe viable at st George's, not the odeon. I hope that this works, but unless they get a major promoter such as Simon Moran on board quickly, it could make for a tough time.
http://bradford-live
.co.uk/the-bradford-
live-project-2/

The Bradford Live website news article dated 18th August goes into stuff in much more detail that the T&A and also mentions promoters and an exclusivity deal. It all sounds really positive for this scheme and the Council and people of Bradford just need to get fully behind it and make sure it happens.
[quote][p][bold]Old Dave[/bold] wrote: Ticket sales, and impressing promoters is everything. Jowls holland comes back almost annually to st George's hall, because he sells it out! The acts that go to holmfirth are the ones that would be maybe viable at st George's, not the odeon. I hope that this works, but unless they get a major promoter such as Simon Moran on board quickly, it could make for a tough time.[/p][/quote]http://bradford-live .co.uk/the-bradford- live-project-2/ The Bradford Live website news article dated 18th August goes into stuff in much more detail that the T&A and also mentions promoters and an exclusivity deal. It all sounds really positive for this scheme and the Council and people of Bradford just need to get fully behind it and make sure it happens. basil fawlty
  • Score: 9

2:15pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Joedavid says...

basil fawlty wrote:
Old Dave wrote:
Ticket sales, and impressing promoters is everything. Jowls holland comes back almost annually to st George's hall, because he sells it out! The acts that go to holmfirth are the ones that would be maybe viable at st George's, not the odeon. I hope that this works, but unless they get a major promoter such as Simon Moran on board quickly, it could make for a tough time.
http://bradford-live

.co.uk/the-bradford-

live-project-2/

The Bradford Live website news article dated 18th August goes into stuff in much more detail that the T&A and also mentions promoters and an exclusivity deal. It all sounds really positive for this scheme and the Council and people of Bradford just need to get fully behind it and make sure it happens.
Yes what happened to Bradford One must not happen to Bradford Live.
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Dave[/bold] wrote: Ticket sales, and impressing promoters is everything. Jowls holland comes back almost annually to st George's hall, because he sells it out! The acts that go to holmfirth are the ones that would be maybe viable at st George's, not the odeon. I hope that this works, but unless they get a major promoter such as Simon Moran on board quickly, it could make for a tough time.[/p][/quote]http://bradford-live .co.uk/the-bradford- live-project-2/ The Bradford Live website news article dated 18th August goes into stuff in much more detail that the T&A and also mentions promoters and an exclusivity deal. It all sounds really positive for this scheme and the Council and people of Bradford just need to get fully behind it and make sure it happens.[/p][/quote]Yes what happened to Bradford One must not happen to Bradford Live. Joedavid
  • Score: 4

4:37pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Freddy Elliot says...

Rumb7e wrote:
Musac and raising the cultural bar i'm all for it!

With Westfield - shop during the day and Live Music in the evening.

Will we recognise Bfd?
The noise and smell of the locals loitering outside it will soon help you get your bearings.
[quote][p][bold]Rumb7e[/bold] wrote: Musac and raising the cultural bar i'm all for it! With Westfield - shop during the day and Live Music in the evening. Will we recognise Bfd?[/p][/quote]The noise and smell of the locals loitering outside it will soon help you get your bearings. Freddy Elliot
  • Score: -4

7:22pm Wed 20 Aug 14

BigFigure says...

Old Dave wrote:
Ticket sales, and impressing promoters is everything. Jowls holland comes back almost annually to st George's hall, because he sells it out!

The acts that go to holmfirth are the ones that would be maybe viable at st George's, not the odeon.

I hope that this works, but unless they get a major promoter such as Simon Moran on board quickly, it could make for a tough time.
The article and the original statement from Bradford Live (google it, it makes interesting reading) both say that a major music promotions company is set to run the venue. This may indeed be Simon Moran's Academy group....announcemen
t soon!
[quote][p][bold]Old Dave[/bold] wrote: Ticket sales, and impressing promoters is everything. Jowls holland comes back almost annually to st George's hall, because he sells it out! The acts that go to holmfirth are the ones that would be maybe viable at st George's, not the odeon. I hope that this works, but unless they get a major promoter such as Simon Moran on board quickly, it could make for a tough time.[/p][/quote]The article and the original statement from Bradford Live (google it, it makes interesting reading) both say that a major music promotions company is set to run the venue. This may indeed be Simon Moran's Academy group....announcemen t soon! BigFigure
  • Score: 4

12:28am Thu 21 Aug 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

I hope they knock the ugly pile of red brick down but they won't as this Labour council want to please the voters for next May.
It's funny how Caroline Hayes says all these things when she couldn't answer of any significance when questioned by Liz Green on radio Leeds.
So the Georges isn't good enough for amplified music. Well it was fine for the likes of Thin Lizzy, UFO, Motorhead, Whitesnake Deep Purple etc.
I think they are telling the deciding committee what to do, tut tut.
Well we could do with a car park.
I hope they knock the ugly pile of red brick down but they won't as this Labour council want to please the voters for next May. It's funny how Caroline Hayes says all these things when she couldn't answer of any significance when questioned by Liz Green on radio Leeds. So the Georges isn't good enough for amplified music. Well it was fine for the likes of Thin Lizzy, UFO, Motorhead, Whitesnake Deep Purple etc. I think they are telling the deciding committee what to do, tut tut. Well we could do with a car park. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -6

2:15pm Thu 21 Aug 14

basil fawlty says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
I hope they knock the ugly pile of red brick down but they won't as this Labour council want to please the voters for next May. It's funny how Caroline Hayes says all these things when she couldn't answer of any significance when questioned by Liz Green on radio Leeds. So the Georges isn't good enough for amplified music. Well it was fine for the likes of Thin Lizzy, UFO, Motorhead, Whitesnake Deep Purple etc. I think they are telling the deciding committee what to do, tut tut. Well we could do with a car park.
She said she couldn't answer certain questions at that stage, now Bradford Live have made more information available, so what's to complain about?
The main plus point about the Bradford LIve plan is that it fills a gap in the market for a medium sized venue, not the claim about the enhanced acoustics.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: I hope they knock the ugly pile of red brick down but they won't as this Labour council want to please the voters for next May. It's funny how Caroline Hayes says all these things when she couldn't answer of any significance when questioned by Liz Green on radio Leeds. So the Georges isn't good enough for amplified music. Well it was fine for the likes of Thin Lizzy, UFO, Motorhead, Whitesnake Deep Purple etc. I think they are telling the deciding committee what to do, tut tut. Well we could do with a car park.[/p][/quote]She said she couldn't answer certain questions at that stage, now Bradford Live have made more information available, so what's to complain about? The main plus point about the Bradford LIve plan is that it fills a gap in the market for a medium sized venue, not the claim about the enhanced acoustics. basil fawlty
  • Score: 7

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