Anti-grouse shooting protesters to take to Ilkley Moor

PROTEST: Luke Steele pictured at a previous demonstration

PROTEST: Luke Steele pictured at a previous demonstration

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CAMPAIGNERS opposing the start of grouse shooting on Ilkley Moor are holding a protest ramble on the famous hills and plan to play cricket in front of the guns.

Ban Bloodsports on Ilkley Moor (BBIM) is a coalition of regional campaigners and is lobbying Bradford Council to ban grouse shooting on the publicly-owned moor in the interests of wildlife and leisure.

BBIM spokesman Luke Steele said: "Grouse shooting is inherently cruel and causes much damage to our world-famous Ilkley Moor.

"Not only are birds shot out of the sky, but hawks, including hen harriers, are deterred from nesting in the area because of intensive management for shooting.

"Leisure is disrupted too, with the safety of moor users placed in jeopardy.

"We call on Bradford Council to uphold Ilkley Moor in the interests of wildlife conservation and leisure.

"Our protest this weekend will be peaceful and we shall be heard."

On Saturday morning around 40 protesters will give leaflets to visitors to the Cow and Calf Rocks and then make their way up onto the moor above.

"When shoots are taking place it is mass slaughter and just shouldn't be taking place.

"We aim to disrupt it by having picnics and even by playing cricket close to the guns," Mr Steel said.

But Amanda Anderson, the director of the Moorland Association, said careful management of grouse moors encouraged their ecology and natural beauty.

"We take great pride in the flora and fauna that are doing well under the careful management of our members; the black grouse, ring ouzel, merlin, lapwing, golden plover and curlew are just a few amber or red listed birds that have refuges on driven grouse moors.

Mrs Anderson stressed that access to affected areas of Ilkley Moor would only be hindered temporarily while shooting took place and that marshals would be on hand to advise walkers.

"Safety is always of paramount concern," she said.

A spokesman for the Council said it knew of the protest by BBIM.

"The group is calling for an end to the current agreement between Bradford Council and the Bingley Moor Partnership which allows the latter to shoot grouse on a small area of the moor.

"The ten-year agreement with Bingley Moor Partnership was signed in 2008 and reviewed last year.

"Leasing the moor for grouse shooting generates £10,000 per year for the council, which helps the council manage the moor. Grouse shooting presents no danger to other users of the moor.

"The Council received a petition from the group in June and discussed the matter at Full Council on July 15.

"The petition was then referred to the Environment and Waste Management Overview and Scrutiny Committee which will consider it in October."

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6:28am Thu 7 Aug 14

imi-r6 says...

Who do these people think are going to pay for looking after the environment to allow the grouse to survive. They will all be out protesting, loads of hand wringing and the usual pity voices calling for action. They won't pay for it. But they will expect the rest of us to stump up the money
Who do these people think are going to pay for looking after the environment to allow the grouse to survive. They will all be out protesting, loads of hand wringing and the usual pity voices calling for action. They won't pay for it. But they will expect the rest of us to stump up the money imi-r6
  • Score: 19

7:07am Thu 7 Aug 14

Albion. says...

imi-r6 wrote:
Who do these people think are going to pay for looking after the environment to allow the grouse to survive. They will all be out protesting, loads of hand wringing and the usual pity voices calling for action. They won't pay for it. But they will expect the rest of us to stump up the money
Exactly! Perhaps they might like to stump up the £10,000 per year.
[quote][p][bold]imi-r6[/bold] wrote: Who do these people think are going to pay for looking after the environment to allow the grouse to survive. They will all be out protesting, loads of hand wringing and the usual pity voices calling for action. They won't pay for it. But they will expect the rest of us to stump up the money[/p][/quote]Exactly! Perhaps they might like to stump up the £10,000 per year. Albion.
  • Score: 16

7:21am Thu 7 Aug 14

BB&B!! says...

OMG Your both justifying the £10.000 a year the council make off this bloodsport :/ !!! and for the record birds do find there own way nobody has to pay to look after the moors for them to survive, people just need to stop shooting them for fun can't they find something else to entertain themselves with disgusting people they are.
OMG Your both justifying the £10.000 a year the council make off this bloodsport :/ !!! and for the record birds do find there own way nobody has to pay to look after the moors for them to survive, people just need to stop shooting them for fun can't they find something else to entertain themselves with disgusting people they are. BB&B!!
  • Score: -3

7:32am Thu 7 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management BCFC1911
  • Score: 6

9:29am Thu 7 Aug 14

allinittogether says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain. allinittogether
  • Score: 1

9:52am Thu 7 Aug 14

Farsley Bantam says...

allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 15

9:54am Thu 7 Aug 14

Farsley Bantam says...

"We aim to disrupt it by having picnics and even by playing cricket close to the guns"

I've got a hat made of grouse feathers if you want to borrow it?
"We aim to disrupt it by having picnics and even by playing cricket close to the guns" I've got a hat made of grouse feathers if you want to borrow it? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 14

10:11am Thu 7 Aug 14

allinittogether says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far.
"And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me.
What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland?
As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far. "And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me. What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland? As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport. allinittogether
  • Score: -2

10:19am Thu 7 Aug 14

Farsley Bantam says...

allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far.
"And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me.
What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland?
As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.
A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy.
Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken.
You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far. "And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me. What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland? As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.[/p][/quote]A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy. Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken. You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 11

10:26am Thu 7 Aug 14

Albion. says...

BB&B!! wrote:
OMG Your both justifying the £10.000 a year the council make off this bloodsport :/ !!! and for the record birds do find there own way nobody has to pay to look after the moors for them to survive, people just need to stop shooting them for fun can't they find something else to entertain themselves with disgusting people they are.
That isn't true, most of the Red Grouse were wiped out by a worm infestation a few years ago.
[quote][p][bold]BB&B!![/bold] wrote: OMG Your both justifying the £10.000 a year the council make off this bloodsport :/ !!! and for the record birds do find there own way nobody has to pay to look after the moors for them to survive, people just need to stop shooting them for fun can't they find something else to entertain themselves with disgusting people they are.[/p][/quote]That isn't true, most of the Red Grouse were wiped out by a worm infestation a few years ago. Albion.
  • Score: 8

10:30am Thu 7 Aug 14

allinittogether says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far.
"And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me.
What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland?
As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.
A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy.
Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken.
You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?
I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible!
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far. "And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me. What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland? As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.[/p][/quote]A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy. Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken. You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?[/p][/quote]I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible! allinittogether
  • Score: 5

10:44am Thu 7 Aug 14

Farsley Bantam says...

allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far.
"And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me.
What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland?
As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.
A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy.
Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken.
You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?
I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible!
What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far. "And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me. What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland? As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.[/p][/quote]A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy. Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken. You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?[/p][/quote]I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible![/p][/quote]What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 9

11:02am Thu 7 Aug 14

allinittogether says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far.
"And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me.
What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland?
As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.
A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy.
Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken.
You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?
I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible!
What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference.
There's a world of difference between the "pleasure" of eating and the "pleasure" of killing but keep blustering.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far. "And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me. What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland? As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.[/p][/quote]A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy. Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken. You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?[/p][/quote]I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible![/p][/quote]What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference.[/p][/quote]There's a world of difference between the "pleasure" of eating and the "pleasure" of killing but keep blustering. allinittogether
  • Score: -6

11:16am Thu 7 Aug 14

Farsley Bantam says...

allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far.
"And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me.
What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland?
As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.
A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy.
Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken.
You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?
I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible!
What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference.
There's a world of difference between the "pleasure" of eating and the "pleasure" of killing but keep blustering.
Semantics. The end result is still the same.
I'm not a hunter myself but I imagine the pleasure comes from the hunting. Stalking the animal and hitting the target rather than taking some kind of sadistic pleasure in ending an animals life.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far. "And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me. What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland? As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.[/p][/quote]A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy. Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken. You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?[/p][/quote]I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible![/p][/quote]What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference.[/p][/quote]There's a world of difference between the "pleasure" of eating and the "pleasure" of killing but keep blustering.[/p][/quote]Semantics. The end result is still the same. I'm not a hunter myself but I imagine the pleasure comes from the hunting. Stalking the animal and hitting the target rather than taking some kind of sadistic pleasure in ending an animals life. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 5

11:30am Thu 7 Aug 14

allinittogether says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far.
"And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me.
What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland?
As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.
A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy.
Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken.
You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?
I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible!
What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference.
There's a world of difference between the "pleasure" of eating and the "pleasure" of killing but keep blustering.
Semantics. The end result is still the same.
I'm not a hunter myself but I imagine the pleasure comes from the hunting. Stalking the animal and hitting the target rather than taking some kind of sadistic pleasure in ending an animals life.
Stalking the animal :-) On Ilkley Moor?
C'mon some bloke flushes the birds, they fly out and some prat shoots 'em.
No skill or thrill.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far. "And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me. What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland? As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.[/p][/quote]A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy. Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken. You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?[/p][/quote]I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible![/p][/quote]What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference.[/p][/quote]There's a world of difference between the "pleasure" of eating and the "pleasure" of killing but keep blustering.[/p][/quote]Semantics. The end result is still the same. I'm not a hunter myself but I imagine the pleasure comes from the hunting. Stalking the animal and hitting the target rather than taking some kind of sadistic pleasure in ending an animals life.[/p][/quote]Stalking the animal :-) On Ilkley Moor? C'mon some bloke flushes the birds, they fly out and some prat shoots 'em. No skill or thrill. allinittogether
  • Score: -3

11:34am Thu 7 Aug 14

Out of site says...

They go well with roast potatoes.
They go well with roast potatoes. Out of site
  • Score: 16

11:42am Thu 7 Aug 14

Farsley Bantam says...

allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far.
"And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me.
What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland?
As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.
A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy.
Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken.
You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?
I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible!
What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference.
There's a world of difference between the "pleasure" of eating and the "pleasure" of killing but keep blustering.
Semantics. The end result is still the same.
I'm not a hunter myself but I imagine the pleasure comes from the hunting. Stalking the animal and hitting the target rather than taking some kind of sadistic pleasure in ending an animals life.
Stalking the animal :-) On Ilkley Moor?
C'mon some bloke flushes the birds, they fly out and some prat shoots 'em.
No skill or thrill.
It was a point about hunting generally.
It does take quite a bit of skill to hit a bird. I've not done it myself but shooting clays is hard enough.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far. "And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me. What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland? As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.[/p][/quote]A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy. Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken. You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?[/p][/quote]I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible![/p][/quote]What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference.[/p][/quote]There's a world of difference between the "pleasure" of eating and the "pleasure" of killing but keep blustering.[/p][/quote]Semantics. The end result is still the same. I'm not a hunter myself but I imagine the pleasure comes from the hunting. Stalking the animal and hitting the target rather than taking some kind of sadistic pleasure in ending an animals life.[/p][/quote]Stalking the animal :-) On Ilkley Moor? C'mon some bloke flushes the birds, they fly out and some prat shoots 'em. No skill or thrill.[/p][/quote]It was a point about hunting generally. It does take quite a bit of skill to hit a bird. I've not done it myself but shooting clays is hard enough. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 9

12:07pm Thu 7 Aug 14

llos25 says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Yes they do and murdering wildlife is not a part of it.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Yes they do and murdering wildlife is not a part of it. llos25
  • Score: -4

12:34pm Thu 7 Aug 14

linebacker2 says...

They're only protesting because grouse shooting is a rich mans sport...
They're only protesting because grouse shooting is a rich mans sport... linebacker2
  • Score: -1

12:35pm Thu 7 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far.
"And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me.
What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland?
As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.
A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy.
Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken.
You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?
I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible!
What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference.
There's a world of difference between the "pleasure" of eating and the "pleasure" of killing but keep blustering.
Semantics. The end result is still the same.
I'm not a hunter myself but I imagine the pleasure comes from the hunting. Stalking the animal and hitting the target rather than taking some kind of sadistic pleasure in ending an animals life.
Stalking the animal :-) On Ilkley Moor?
C'mon some bloke flushes the birds, they fly out and some prat shoots 'em.
No skill or thrill.
It was a point about hunting generally.
It does take quite a bit of skill to hit a bird. I've not done it myself but shooting clays is hard enough.
Indeed it does because whearas clay's fly in one direction live birds change all the time so is more difficult. Its very challenging but very rewarding
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far. "And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me. What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland? As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.[/p][/quote]A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy. Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken. You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?[/p][/quote]I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible![/p][/quote]What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference.[/p][/quote]There's a world of difference between the "pleasure" of eating and the "pleasure" of killing but keep blustering.[/p][/quote]Semantics. The end result is still the same. I'm not a hunter myself but I imagine the pleasure comes from the hunting. Stalking the animal and hitting the target rather than taking some kind of sadistic pleasure in ending an animals life.[/p][/quote]Stalking the animal :-) On Ilkley Moor? C'mon some bloke flushes the birds, they fly out and some prat shoots 'em. No skill or thrill.[/p][/quote]It was a point about hunting generally. It does take quite a bit of skill to hit a bird. I've not done it myself but shooting clays is hard enough.[/p][/quote]Indeed it does because whearas clay's fly in one direction live birds change all the time so is more difficult. Its very challenging but very rewarding BCFC1911
  • Score: 8

1:53pm Thu 7 Aug 14

vax2002 says...

They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people.
They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people. vax2002
  • Score: -10

2:04pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Farsley Bantam says...

vax2002 wrote:
They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people.
Vegetarian are we?
[quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people.[/p][/quote]Vegetarian are we? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 10

2:10pm Thu 7 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
vax2002 wrote:
They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people.
Vegetarian are we?
Exactly. People like this and that spotty oink in the picture make me laugh.

Humans has been hunting, killing and eating well since ever. Whilst they might not agree with hunting for sport in whatever fashion it takes form in Im sorry but it really is none of their business.

I agree some animals should not be hunted for conservation purposes but but this is the exact opposite.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people.[/p][/quote]Vegetarian are we?[/p][/quote]Exactly. People like this and that spotty oink in the picture make me laugh. Humans has been hunting, killing and eating well since ever. Whilst they might not agree with hunting for sport in whatever fashion it takes form in Im sorry but it really is none of their business. I agree some animals should not be hunted for conservation purposes but but this is the exact opposite. BCFC1911
  • Score: 8

2:12pm Thu 7 Aug 14

vax2002 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
vax2002 wrote:
They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people.
Vegetarian are we?
No, just slightly more refined than someone who things blasting a living creature with a shotgun so it bleeds to death is a "Sport"
Seeing as you are all canvassing support on shooting forums to this article I just thought I would take the opportunity to get as many thumbs down as possible, therefore making you read my message that those who partake in this are sick.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people.[/p][/quote]Vegetarian are we?[/p][/quote]No, just slightly more refined than someone who things blasting a living creature with a shotgun so it bleeds to death is a "Sport" Seeing as you are all canvassing support on shooting forums to this article I just thought I would take the opportunity to get as many thumbs down as possible, therefore making you read my message that those who partake in this are sick. vax2002
  • Score: -1

2:18pm Thu 7 Aug 14

OLDLAD says...

No grouse shooting = no grouse as there would be no need to breed them. No grouse = no birds of prey on the moor as food will be sparce and they would just move on. No grouse = loss of jobs for those involved. No grouse = loss of income to those supporting the shoot and the councils rent. A lot of things are supportrd by grouse shooting that demonstrators do not consider. Something else from them to grouse about!
No grouse shooting = no grouse as there would be no need to breed them. No grouse = no birds of prey on the moor as food will be sparce and they would just move on. No grouse = loss of jobs for those involved. No grouse = loss of income to those supporting the shoot and the councils rent. A lot of things are supportrd by grouse shooting that demonstrators do not consider. Something else from them to grouse about! OLDLAD
  • Score: 14

2:26pm Thu 7 Aug 14

linebacker2 says...

I wonder how many people who're against grouse shooting own cats? and I wonder if any them appreciate the irony....
I wonder how many people who're against grouse shooting own cats? and I wonder if any them appreciate the irony.... linebacker2
  • Score: 14

2:29pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Farsley Bantam says...

vax2002 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
vax2002 wrote:
They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people.
Vegetarian are we?
No, just slightly more refined than someone who things blasting a living creature with a shotgun so it bleeds to death is a "Sport"
Seeing as you are all canvassing support on shooting forums to this article I just thought I would take the opportunity to get as many thumbs down as possible, therefore making you read my message that those who partake in this are sick.
As I thought, a hypocrite.
You are happy for people to kill chickens and other animals but this is somehow sick?
[quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people.[/p][/quote]Vegetarian are we?[/p][/quote]No, just slightly more refined than someone who things blasting a living creature with a shotgun so it bleeds to death is a "Sport" Seeing as you are all canvassing support on shooting forums to this article I just thought I would take the opportunity to get as many thumbs down as possible, therefore making you read my message that those who partake in this are sick.[/p][/quote]As I thought, a hypocrite. You are happy for people to kill chickens and other animals but this is somehow sick? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 12

2:37pm Thu 7 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
vax2002 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
vax2002 wrote:
They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people.
Vegetarian are we?
No, just slightly more refined than someone who things blasting a living creature with a shotgun so it bleeds to death is a "Sport"
Seeing as you are all canvassing support on shooting forums to this article I just thought I would take the opportunity to get as many thumbs down as possible, therefore making you read my message that those who partake in this are sick.
As I thought, a hypocrite.
You are happy for people to kill chickens and other animals but this is somehow sick?
exactly.

if anything at least hunting an animal such as grouse leaves it with a chance of escape. Chickens in a slaughterhouses dont often get away
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people.[/p][/quote]Vegetarian are we?[/p][/quote]No, just slightly more refined than someone who things blasting a living creature with a shotgun so it bleeds to death is a "Sport" Seeing as you are all canvassing support on shooting forums to this article I just thought I would take the opportunity to get as many thumbs down as possible, therefore making you read my message that those who partake in this are sick.[/p][/quote]As I thought, a hypocrite. You are happy for people to kill chickens and other animals but this is somehow sick?[/p][/quote]exactly. if anything at least hunting an animal such as grouse leaves it with a chance of escape. Chickens in a slaughterhouses dont often get away BCFC1911
  • Score: 9

2:43pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Rumb7e says...

Whats wrong with an un-interupted walk across the Ilkley Moor. I myself enjoy that.

Did not think the background sounds of bang are quite required.
Whats wrong with an un-interupted walk across the Ilkley Moor. I myself enjoy that. Did not think the background sounds of bang are quite required. Rumb7e
  • Score: -10

3:02pm Thu 7 Aug 14

johnh1 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
I think like any other land in the district I dont mind paying towards its upkeep no need for you bloodthisty toffs to kill on our behalf. The birds die instantly I am sorry you have not been on a shoot or your not being completly honest.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]I think like any other land in the district I dont mind paying towards its upkeep no need for you bloodthisty toffs [conservatives] to kill on our behalf. The birds die instantly I am sorry you have not been on a shoot or your not being completly honest. johnh1
  • Score: -8

3:08pm Thu 7 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

johnh1 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
I think like any other land in the district I dont mind paying towards its upkeep no need for you bloodthisty toffs to kill on our behalf. The birds die instantly I am sorry you have not been on a shoot or your not being completly honest.
You don't mind paying...that's fantastic.

Why don't you buy all the grouse up and the land and pay the council at the same time then you can walk around protecting the grouse.

Do you have a spare couple of million?

That will keep them evil conservatives away lol....which is actually funny as the last shoot I went on in Hertfordshire was organised and attended by a Union.

Anyway keep posting as I find your comments funny
[quote][p][bold]johnh1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]I think like any other land in the district I dont mind paying towards its upkeep no need for you bloodthisty toffs [conservatives] to kill on our behalf. The birds die instantly I am sorry you have not been on a shoot or your not being completly honest.[/p][/quote]You don't mind paying...that's fantastic. Why don't you buy all the grouse up and the land and pay the council at the same time then you can walk around protecting the grouse. Do you have a spare couple of million? That will keep them evil conservatives away lol....which is actually funny as the last shoot I went on in Hertfordshire was organised and attended by a Union. Anyway keep posting as I find your comments funny BCFC1911
  • Score: 6

3:48pm Thu 7 Aug 14

johnh1 says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
johnh1 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
I think like any other land in the district I dont mind paying towards its upkeep no need for you bloodthisty toffs to kill on our behalf. The birds die instantly I am sorry you have not been on a shoot or your not being completly honest.
You don't mind paying...that's fantastic.

Why don't you buy all the grouse up and the land and pay the council at the same time then you can walk around protecting the grouse.

Do you have a spare couple of million?

That will keep them evil conservatives away lol....which is actually funny as the last shoot I went on in Hertfordshire was organised and attended by a Union.

Anyway keep posting as I find your comments funny
Wow that hit a nerve or should I say nerd.
Why dont you buy a play station you can shoot what you want then and leave gods creatures alone. If I had millions nothing would give me more pleasure than depriving toffs of there blood ****.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnh1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]I think like any other land in the district I dont mind paying towards its upkeep no need for you bloodthisty toffs [conservatives] to kill on our behalf. The birds die instantly I am sorry you have not been on a shoot or your not being completly honest.[/p][/quote]You don't mind paying...that's fantastic. Why don't you buy all the grouse up and the land and pay the council at the same time then you can walk around protecting the grouse. Do you have a spare couple of million? That will keep them evil conservatives away lol....which is actually funny as the last shoot I went on in Hertfordshire was organised and attended by a Union. Anyway keep posting as I find your comments funny[/p][/quote]Wow that hit a nerve or should I say nerd. Why dont you buy a play station you can shoot what you want then and leave gods creatures alone. If I had millions nothing would give me more pleasure than depriving toffs of there blood ****. johnh1
  • Score: -9

3:57pm Thu 7 Aug 14

BCFC1911 says...

johnh1 wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
johnh1 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
I think like any other land in the district I dont mind paying towards its upkeep no need for you bloodthisty toffs to kill on our behalf. The birds die instantly I am sorry you have not been on a shoot or your not being completly honest.
You don't mind paying...that's fantastic.

Why don't you buy all the grouse up and the land and pay the council at the same time then you can walk around protecting the grouse.

Do you have a spare couple of million?

That will keep them evil conservatives away lol....which is actually funny as the last shoot I went on in Hertfordshire was organised and attended by a Union.

Anyway keep posting as I find your comments funny
Wow that hit a nerve or should I say nerd.
Why dont you buy a play station you can shoot what you want then and leave gods creatures alone. If I had millions nothing would give me more pleasure than depriving toffs of there blood ****.
Toffs?

You should go have a look at the gun clubs. I can assure you that most are not "toffs"

But don't let any facts get in the way of your rants will you.
[quote][p][bold]johnh1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnh1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]I think like any other land in the district I dont mind paying towards its upkeep no need for you bloodthisty toffs [conservatives] to kill on our behalf. The birds die instantly I am sorry you have not been on a shoot or your not being completly honest.[/p][/quote]You don't mind paying...that's fantastic. Why don't you buy all the grouse up and the land and pay the council at the same time then you can walk around protecting the grouse. Do you have a spare couple of million? That will keep them evil conservatives away lol....which is actually funny as the last shoot I went on in Hertfordshire was organised and attended by a Union. Anyway keep posting as I find your comments funny[/p][/quote]Wow that hit a nerve or should I say nerd. Why dont you buy a play station you can shoot what you want then and leave gods creatures alone. If I had millions nothing would give me more pleasure than depriving toffs of there blood ****.[/p][/quote]Toffs? You should go have a look at the gun clubs. I can assure you that most are not "toffs" But don't let any facts get in the way of your rants will you. BCFC1911
  • Score: 12

4:26pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Bone_idle18 says...

vax2002 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
vax2002 wrote:
They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people.
Vegetarian are we?
No, just slightly more refined than someone who things blasting a living creature with a shotgun so it bleeds to death is a "Sport"
Seeing as you are all canvassing support on shooting forums to this article I just thought I would take the opportunity to get as many thumbs down as possible, therefore making you read my message that those who partake in this are sick.
Farming animals for slaughter is far more barbaric than hunting animals in the wild. Pretty obvious really.
[quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people.[/p][/quote]Vegetarian are we?[/p][/quote]No, just slightly more refined than someone who things blasting a living creature with a shotgun so it bleeds to death is a "Sport" Seeing as you are all canvassing support on shooting forums to this article I just thought I would take the opportunity to get as many thumbs down as possible, therefore making you read my message that those who partake in this are sick.[/p][/quote]Farming animals for slaughter is far more barbaric than hunting animals in the wild. Pretty obvious really. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 6

5:34pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Wanna Have says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far. "And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me. What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland? As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.
A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy. Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken. You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?
I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible!
What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference.
Chickens are killed to feed us, not for pleasure, the slaughterman does not kills chickens because he enjoys it.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far. "And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me. What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland? As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.[/p][/quote]A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy. Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken. You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?[/p][/quote]I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible![/p][/quote]What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference.[/p][/quote]Chickens are killed to feed us, not for pleasure, the slaughterman does not kills chickens because he enjoys it. Wanna Have
  • Score: -2

5:46pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Wanna Have says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
vax2002 wrote: They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people.
Vegetarian are we?
I hardly think the food resource needs of the general population will be met by a few small man syndrome men with guns shooting a few birds on a moor.
so to compare it mass cheap mass food production is just nonsense, it is in no way related.
If the guys who shoot the grouse are prepared to go hunting every day to meet the nutrional needs of the general population fair enough, but you realise they would never produce enough meat by this method.
So yes you can be a meat eater and object to these people shooting wild birds on a moor, the two things are completely unrelated.Other than that make these toy gun guys pontificating about meat eating hypocrites only eat what they hunt, and I'll stick to my supermarket food.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vax2002[/bold] wrote: They are bred to be shot to death by very very sick in the head people.[/p][/quote]Vegetarian are we?[/p][/quote]I hardly think the food resource needs of the general population will be met by a few small man syndrome men with guns shooting a few birds on a moor. so to compare it mass cheap mass food production is just nonsense, it is in no way related. If the guys who shoot the grouse are prepared to go hunting every day to meet the nutrional needs of the general population fair enough, but you realise they would never produce enough meat by this method. So yes you can be a meat eater and object to these people shooting wild birds on a moor, the two things are completely unrelated.Other than that make these toy gun guys pontificating about meat eating hypocrites only eat what they hunt, and I'll stick to my supermarket food. Wanna Have
  • Score: -1

5:50pm Thu 7 Aug 14

allinittogether says...

Doesn't matter how many jobs are sustained, how much money it makes/saves the council and how much you try to justify it at the end of the day killing animals for fun is pretty sick and you can bluster all you want but it won't alter that.
Doesn't matter how many jobs are sustained, how much money it makes/saves the council and how much you try to justify it at the end of the day killing animals for fun is pretty sick and you can bluster all you want but it won't alter that. allinittogether
  • Score: -3

10:32pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Cityman23 says...

It's almost amusing the reasons supporters of fox hunting, grouse shooting etc find for justifying their support and criticising those who are against.

Eg. "Critics oppose it because it's a sport of the rich."
Well I am sure hare coursing, dog fighting and **** fighting weren't sports of the rich but all against fox hunting and grouse shooting would oppose these too.

Eg " it's a tradition"
Many awful practices were once traditional in this country but, thank goodness- no more! ( It's called becoming civilised)

Eg the shooters and hunters are REALLY animal overs. ( Like Prince Philip)

Aaagh!!!!!

Eg "Doing this helps the countryside"

Yeah, right!!

Eg "The fox enjoys the chase and maybe the grouse secretly enjoys dodging the buckshot."

Well I made that one up actually, but I wonder if anyone has come out with it as an excuse!!

Truth to say, if you feel pleasure gunning down an animal or chasing an animal till it gets ripped to pieces you probably have some sort of 'problem'. It's called ' enjoying participating in cruelty!!

Perhaps counselling or a course in appreciating wildlife might help!!

Why can't the shooters fire at clay and the fox hunters follow a non animal trail?


What????!!
It's almost amusing the reasons supporters of fox hunting, grouse shooting etc find for justifying their support and criticising those who are against. Eg. "Critics oppose it because it's a sport of the rich." Well I am sure hare coursing, dog fighting and **** fighting weren't sports of the rich but all against fox hunting and grouse shooting would oppose these too. Eg " it's a tradition" Many awful practices were once traditional in this country but, thank goodness- no more! ( It's called becoming civilised) Eg the shooters and hunters are REALLY animal overs. ( Like Prince Philip) Aaagh!!!!! Eg "Doing this helps the countryside" Yeah, right!! Eg "The fox enjoys the chase and maybe the grouse secretly enjoys dodging the buckshot." Well I made that one up actually, but I wonder if anyone has come out with it as an excuse!! Truth to say, if you feel pleasure gunning down an animal or chasing an animal till it gets ripped to pieces you probably have some sort of 'problem'. It's called ' enjoying participating in cruelty!! Perhaps counselling or a course in appreciating wildlife might help!! Why can't the shooters fire at clay and the fox hunters follow a non animal trail? What????!! Cityman23
  • Score: 4

11:59pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Bone_idle18 says...

Wanna Have wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far. "And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me. What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland? As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.
A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy. Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken. You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?
I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible!
What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference.
Chickens are killed to feed us, not for pleasure, the slaughterman does not kills chickens because he enjoys it.
You'd be surprised.
[quote][p][bold]Wanna Have[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]"Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone." - Got you so far. "And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland." - But this is where you lose me. What's wrong with paying to shoot birds for fun? Do you seriously need an answer to that? But it's ok if they get a warm fuzzy feeling because they're benefitting the moorland? As for hypocrisy, the meat eating general public aren't allowed to pay to enter a slaughter house and kill animals for sport.[/p][/quote]A bit of a confused post from you there. I'm guessing that you are a meat eater then? Unless you object to all animals being killed for meat then yes it is pure hypocricy. Shooting an animal is probably the most humane way to kill it. Until it is shot the grouse will have lived it's entire life on the moorland. Compare that with a factory farmed chicken or even a 'free range' chicken. You can't comprehend why someone would want to kill a bird. But as a meat eater you are happy for someone else to do it on your behalf?[/p][/quote]I don't object to animals being killed for meat I object to animals being killed for sport. You can bluster all you want but that is what it comes down to here; people are paying to kill birds for fun. And you condone it, incredible![/p][/quote]What does it matter if they do it for fun?They still eat the birds. Chickens are killed for our pleasure and live far worse lives. No difference.[/p][/quote]Chickens are killed to feed us, not for pleasure, the slaughterman does not kills chickens because he enjoys it.[/p][/quote]You'd be surprised. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 3

7:52am Fri 8 Aug 14

johnh1 says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
johnh1 wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
johnh1 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
I think like any other land in the district I dont mind paying towards its upkeep no need for you bloodthisty toffs to kill on our behalf. The birds die instantly I am sorry you have not been on a shoot or your not being completly honest.
You don't mind paying...that's fantastic.

Why don't you buy all the grouse up and the land and pay the council at the same time then you can walk around protecting the grouse.

Do you have a spare couple of million?

That will keep them evil conservatives away lol....which is actually funny as the last shoot I went on in Hertfordshire was organised and attended by a Union.

Anyway keep posting as I find your comments funny
Wow that hit a nerve or should I say nerd.
Why dont you buy a play station you can shoot what you want then and leave gods creatures alone. If I had millions nothing would give me more pleasure than depriving toffs of there blood ****.
Toffs?

You should go have a look at the gun clubs. I can assure you that most are not "toffs"

But don't let any facts get in the way of your rants will you.
No
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnh1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnh1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]I think like any other land in the district I dont mind paying towards its upkeep no need for you bloodthisty toffs [conservatives] to kill on our behalf. The birds die instantly I am sorry you have not been on a shoot or your not being completly honest.[/p][/quote]You don't mind paying...that's fantastic. Why don't you buy all the grouse up and the land and pay the council at the same time then you can walk around protecting the grouse. Do you have a spare couple of million? That will keep them evil conservatives away lol....which is actually funny as the last shoot I went on in Hertfordshire was organised and attended by a Union. Anyway keep posting as I find your comments funny[/p][/quote]Wow that hit a nerve or should I say nerd. Why dont you buy a play station you can shoot what you want then and leave gods creatures alone. If I had millions nothing would give me more pleasure than depriving toffs of there blood ****.[/p][/quote]Toffs? You should go have a look at the gun clubs. I can assure you that most are not "toffs" But don't let any facts get in the way of your rants will you.[/p][/quote]No johnh1
  • Score: 0

3:06pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Robin of Loxley says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
I take it you're also in favour of halal and kosher slaughter ?
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]I take it you're also in favour of halal and kosher slaughter ? Robin of Loxley
  • Score: 0

3:23pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Robin of Loxley wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.
You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential.
If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone.
And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland.
The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.
I take it you're also in favour of halal and kosher slaughter ?
As I've said before it doesn't bother me. Regularly buy halal lamb and chicken from Pakeezah or Haqs like the vile Islamaphobe that I am. Try again.
[quote][p][bold]Robin of Loxley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Selling the opportunity to shoot and kill birds to inadequates for pleasure doesn't sound like management to me so explain.[/p][/quote]You don't know what you are talking about so let me explain. The moorland that you see when you walk on Ilkley Moor doesn't just look after itself. Things like controlling the bracken so that the heather, which is a crucial habitat for many ground nesting birds, can thrive are essential. If it was just left to it's own devices in a couple of years the whole moor would be bracken and all the birds would be gone. And if people want to shoot birds whats wrong that? They pay for the privelege of doing so which benefits the moorland. The birds die instantly after being shot. They have lived their entire lives in the wild. You can't get more free range than that. Unless you are a vegetarian you are a hypocrit.[/p][/quote]I take it you're also in favour of halal and kosher slaughter ?[/p][/quote]As I've said before it doesn't bother me. Regularly buy halal lamb and chicken from Pakeezah or Haqs like the vile Islamaphobe that I am. Try again. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 2

6:59pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Mixter says...

Would the screaming trotsky in the headline actually be able to pick a grouse out of a line up of game birds? If he can, the shooters should concede and go home. If not, he should also be shot along with the grouse he cant identify.
Would the screaming trotsky in the headline actually be able to pick a grouse out of a line up of game birds? If he can, the shooters should concede and go home. If not, he should also be shot along with the grouse he cant identify. Mixter
  • Score: 1

11:04am Mon 11 Aug 14

johnh1 says...

Mixter wrote:
Would the screaming trotsky in the headline actually be able to pick a grouse out of a line up of game birds? If he can, the shooters should concede and go home. If not, he should also be shot along with the grouse he cant identify.
This comment is wrong on so many counts.
Mixer you are facist pig
The guy might have a degree. It wont be in stupidity like yours.
[quote][p][bold]Mixter[/bold] wrote: Would the screaming trotsky in the headline actually be able to pick a grouse out of a line up of game birds? If he can, the shooters should concede and go home. If not, he should also be shot along with the grouse he cant identify.[/p][/quote]This comment is wrong on so many counts. Mixer you are facist pig The guy might have a degree. It wont be in stupidity like yours. johnh1
  • Score: -1

11:56am Mon 11 Aug 14

MorriseyRocks says...

The moorland has a shooting deed granted in 2008 for a period of 10 years and the published scrutiny review examined the shoot and moorland management. Irrespective of the view of people who are against blood sports this is a lawful event and it is the rights of the individual who wants to be engaged in grouse shooting to be allowed to do so. They are allowed to protest, as is their right in this country, but those persons involved in the shoot also have a right to be allowed to undertake this lawful activity unhindered. We have had hunts in this country for thousands of years and long may it continue. Hares and Ptarmigan are particularly challenging and enjoyable to shoot.
The moorland has a shooting deed granted in 2008 for a period of 10 years and the published scrutiny review examined the shoot and moorland management. Irrespective of the view of people who are against blood sports this is a lawful event and it is the rights of the individual who wants to be engaged in grouse shooting to be allowed to do so. They are allowed to protest, as is their right in this country, but those persons involved in the shoot also have a right to be allowed to undertake this lawful activity unhindered. We have had hunts in this country for thousands of years and long may it continue. Hares and Ptarmigan are particularly challenging and enjoyable to shoot. MorriseyRocks
  • Score: 3

11:17am Tue 12 Aug 14

barrie-boy says...

It seems to me that many of those who object to grouse shooting do so solely because the shooter is deriving pleasure from his/her activity. Many of the posts condone animal slaughter for food, so the killing of animals can't be the issue.
Such a mindset is not new. In the seventeenth century, Puritans believed that dancing was sinful, and sought to ban it. Common sense prevailed with the restoration of Charles the second.
Perhaps if grouse shooters pretended to be miserable, then the protesters would be satisfied.
It seems to me that many of those who object to grouse shooting do so solely because the shooter is deriving pleasure from his/her activity. Many of the posts condone animal slaughter for food, so the killing of animals can't be the issue. Such a mindset is not new. In the seventeenth century, Puritans believed that dancing was sinful, and sought to ban it. Common sense prevailed with the restoration of Charles the second. Perhaps if grouse shooters pretended to be miserable, then the protesters would be satisfied. barrie-boy
  • Score: 2

9:32am Wed 13 Aug 14

Timjamesphillips says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it.

Some people simply do not understand estate ground management
Yes, people do understand about estate management (we're not all 'bleeding heart' uninformed liberals with a lack of understanding in the ways of the country) ...what we 'don't get' is that some feel the only way to manage this issue is by killing these creatures by way of sport.

The birds seemed to be doing pretty well for hundreds of years before people started take pot shots at them.

Murdering sentient beings for fun is no way for supposed intelligent beings to act.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Never knew they did grouse shooting up there. Now I do will look into as tried it once and enjoyed it. Some people simply do not understand estate ground management[/p][/quote]Yes, people do understand about estate management (we're not all 'bleeding heart' uninformed liberals with a lack of understanding in the ways of the country) ...what we 'don't get' is that some feel the only way to manage this issue is by killing these creatures by way of sport. The birds seemed to be doing pretty well for hundreds of years before people started take pot shots at them. Murdering sentient beings for fun is no way for supposed intelligent beings to act. Timjamesphillips
  • Score: -3

8:30pm Wed 13 Aug 14

What?,when?,where? says...

Beats me who would eat a grouse riddled with lead shot.
But one thing is certain, which is that the moors need management , otherwise they will turn into bracken heaven. eg no more skylarks. its the old catch 22.
Jog on.
Beats me who would eat a grouse riddled with lead shot. But one thing is certain, which is that the moors need management , otherwise they will turn into bracken heaven. eg no more skylarks. its the old catch 22. Jog on. What?,when?,where?
  • Score: 1

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