Enforcement warning by Council as it cracks down on 'rogue' front doors fitted to homes in historic Saltaire

Enforcement warning by Council as it cracks down on 'rogue' front doors fitted to homes in historic Saltaire

11 Fanny Street

18 Whitlam Street

19 Whitlam Street

27 Mary Street

Saltaire resident Graham Haughton

Saltaire resident and bookshop owner David Ford

First published in News

GUARDIANS of Saltaire's World Heritage status are cracking down on rogue front doors fitted to houses in the village which are deemed to breach listed building rules.

Bradford Council planning officers have now compiled a list of four examples of doors they say are not in keeping with the buildings' historic status.

They have highlighted 11 Fanny Street, 18 and 19 Whitlam Street and 27 Mary Street as being worthy of receiving enforcement orders which are written and ready to be sent unless the householders act swiftly to comply with the law.

The officers' reports on the unauthorised doors in the Grade II listed area note: "The doors installed have not been done so in accordance with the requirements of the Listed Building legislation and are considered to be unauthorised."

No householders came to their doors at the four addresses when the Telegraph & Argus sought comments yesterday.

But Saltaire resident of 25 years Graham Haughton said he believed it was important for standards to be maintained.

"Although there is a mish-mash of styles in Saltaire, it is good that the Council expects people to replace them in the original type of panelled doors rather than any ordinary off-the-shelf products," he said.

"Generally people think it is important to maintain the village's unique character."

However long-time resident and Saltaire Bookshop owner David Ford said there were other issues to consider.

"The rules do contribute to keeping the integrity of the village, it's true," he said.

"However it must be said that individuals might look at Bradford Council's current plans for the trees in Victoria Road or the planned new Shipley College building and think - why should we abide by their rules for Saltaire?

"A lot of people are saying that and it's important that the Council shows leadership on such things - particularly the new college building.

"Although the revised building is better, it still doesn't really fit in and what's one person's front door compared to the impact that would have?".

A Council spokesman confirmed it was carrying out a broad survey of all the homes in Saltaire's conservation area to see they meet the necessary structural criteria.

"Conservation officers are reviewing each and every property in Saltaire, which is a World Heritage site which we have to protect, and the use of unauthorised doors has been brought to our attention," he said.

Helen Thornton, the Council's World Heritage Site Officer for Saltaire, explained the rules regarding what sort of doors and windows are acceptable.

"There are set designs for windows and doors in the UNESCO World Heritage site of Saltaire. "The designs which need to be used are a reflection of the historic nature of the house and when it was built," she said.

"Residents can find out which is the right design for their house by contacting the Council.

"In order to maintain the unique character of the World Heritage site and the Conservation Area, it is important for people to seek and follow advice before any repairs or replacements are carried out.

"Replacement windows and doors need Listed Building Consent by law and the Council can assist those needing to put in an application for consent."

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7:04am Tue 8 Jul 14

Albion. says...

What's new? This has been the case for many years and people have had to alter out of keeping items before.
What's new? This has been the case for many years and people have had to alter out of keeping items before. Albion.
  • Score: 3

8:23am Tue 8 Jul 14

buffetlegs says...

Good point raised by the nice man from the bookshop.
Good point raised by the nice man from the bookshop. buffetlegs
  • Score: 22

8:32am Tue 8 Jul 14

angry bradfordian says...

"Rogue" front doors?? That's putting it a bit strong compared to some of the breaches of planning we read about on an almost daily basis.

Other than the white plastic door, it's difficult to see what's so bad about the other ones.
If I'd been one of the householders being harangued by the local paper I don't think I'd have answered the door as the tone of the article suggests they've committed the crime of the century!
"Rogue" front doors?? That's putting it a bit strong compared to some of the breaches of planning we read about on an almost daily basis. Other than the white plastic door, it's difficult to see what's so bad about the other ones. If I'd been one of the householders being harangued by the local paper I don't think I'd have answered the door as the tone of the article suggests they've committed the crime of the century! angry bradfordian
  • Score: 35

8:38am Tue 8 Jul 14

sorrow&anger says...

This is so typical of the hypocrisy of City Hall. They are more than willing to force their planning laws on ordinary people, but when it comes to monstrosities like the Shipley College extension and developers are involved, they turn a blind eye. Just another demonstration that City Hall does not care about Bradford.
This is so typical of the hypocrisy of City Hall. They are more than willing to force their planning laws on ordinary people, but when it comes to monstrosities like the Shipley College extension and developers are involved, they turn a blind eye. Just another demonstration that City Hall does not care about Bradford. sorrow&anger
  • Score: 59

8:46am Tue 8 Jul 14

piltdownman says...

Just goes to show that the Council is full of petty bureaucrats who have no grasp of the big picture.
Just goes to show that the Council is full of petty bureaucrats who have no grasp of the big picture. piltdownman
  • Score: 44

8:47am Tue 8 Jul 14

Raj2121 says...

What a joke
What a joke Raj2121
  • Score: 26

8:54am Tue 8 Jul 14

caledonia15 says...

sorrow&anger wrote:
This is so typical of the hypocrisy of City Hall. They are more than willing to force their planning laws on ordinary people, but when it comes to monstrosities like the Shipley College extension and developers are involved, they turn a blind eye. Just another demonstration that City Hall does not care about Bradford.
How very true, the look of those doors do sent look to bad to me, at least the home owners are trying to improve their homes with their hard earned money. When you look at some of the "planning decisions" that have gone on in the district over the last few years it really does make you wonder if these so -called professional planners are fit for purpose. How about the planners doing their job and hitting these developers who run rough shod over the planning conditions without fear of any form of action.
[quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is so typical of the hypocrisy of City Hall. They are more than willing to force their planning laws on ordinary people, but when it comes to monstrosities like the Shipley College extension and developers are involved, they turn a blind eye. Just another demonstration that City Hall does not care about Bradford.[/p][/quote]How very true, the look of those doors do sent look to bad to me, at least the home owners are trying to improve their homes with their hard earned money. When you look at some of the "planning decisions" that have gone on in the district over the last few years it really does make you wonder if these so -called professional planners are fit for purpose. How about the planners doing their job and hitting these developers who run rough shod over the planning conditions without fear of any form of action. caledonia15
  • Score: 41

9:08am Tue 8 Jul 14

collos25 says...

Braford planning is not fit for purpose and all employees should be sacked.
They may technically be breaking the rules in Saltaire but nothing compared with elsewhere in this district but the residents of Saltaire do have the money to fill envelopes with money to give to unnamed people.
Braford planning is not fit for purpose and all employees should be sacked. They may technically be breaking the rules in Saltaire but nothing compared with elsewhere in this district but the residents of Saltaire do have the money to fill envelopes with money to give to unnamed people. collos25
  • Score: 22

9:56am Tue 8 Jul 14

npwbd10 says...

Bradford Council have got this all wrong on many counts, Titus Salt was a devout Teetotal and as such would not allow a public house to be built in Saltaire, look now Fannys even Don't tell Titus when these are closed vdown to keep the heritage tradition then they can start to look at front doors

Titus would turn on his grave
Bradford Council have got this all wrong on many counts, Titus Salt was a devout Teetotal and as such would not allow a public house to be built in Saltaire, look now Fannys even Don't tell Titus when these are closed vdown to keep the heritage tradition then they can start to look at front doors Titus would turn on his grave npwbd10
  • Score: 14

9:59am Tue 8 Jul 14

npwbd10 says...

How can Bradford Council comment on a front door when they allow Fannys and Don't tell Titus public houses, Titus was a devout Teetotal and did not allow any pubs in Saltaire, these should be closed to retain the heritage then concentrate on the front doors, Titus would turn in his grave.
How can Bradford Council comment on a front door when they allow Fannys and Don't tell Titus public houses, Titus was a devout Teetotal and did not allow any pubs in Saltaire, these should be closed to retain the heritage then concentrate on the front doors, Titus would turn in his grave. npwbd10
  • Score: 11

10:26am Tue 8 Jul 14

BertSanders says...

sorrow&anger wrote:
This is so typical of the hypocrisy of City Hall. They are more than willing to force their planning laws on ordinary people, but when it comes to monstrosities like the Shipley College extension and developers are involved, they turn a blind eye. Just another demonstration that City Hall does not care about Bradford.
or illegal walls
[quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is so typical of the hypocrisy of City Hall. They are more than willing to force their planning laws on ordinary people, but when it comes to monstrosities like the Shipley College extension and developers are involved, they turn a blind eye. Just another demonstration that City Hall does not care about Bradford.[/p][/quote]or illegal walls BertSanders
  • Score: 17

10:56am Tue 8 Jul 14

arcticpenguin says...

npwbd10 wrote:
How can Bradford Council comment on a front door when they allow Fannys and Don't tell Titus public houses, Titus was a devout Teetotal and did not allow any pubs in Saltaire, these should be closed to retain the heritage then concentrate on the front doors, Titus would turn in his grave.
He didn't allow people to hang out their washing either. Should the residents of Saltaire really be bound by nineteenth century morals that are defunct elsewhere and be economically disadvantaged as a result? The bars, restaurants and cafes of the village bring people in from across the district and further afield, helping to make Saltaire a vibrant and prosperous place. And, for the record, Fanny's is not in Saltaire.
[quote][p][bold]npwbd10[/bold] wrote: How can Bradford Council comment on a front door when they allow Fannys and Don't tell Titus public houses, Titus was a devout Teetotal and did not allow any pubs in Saltaire, these should be closed to retain the heritage then concentrate on the front doors, Titus would turn in his grave.[/p][/quote]He didn't allow people to hang out their washing either. Should the residents of Saltaire really be bound by nineteenth century morals that are defunct elsewhere and be economically disadvantaged as a result? The bars, restaurants and cafes of the village bring people in from across the district and further afield, helping to make Saltaire a vibrant and prosperous place. And, for the record, Fanny's is not in Saltaire. arcticpenguin
  • Score: 18

11:12am Tue 8 Jul 14

Baildonbantam says...

"npwbd10 wrote:
How can Bradford Council comment on a front door when they allow Fannys and Don't tell Titus public houses, Titus was a devout Teetotal and did not allow any pubs in Saltaire, these should be closed to retain the heritage then concentrate on the front doors, Titus would turn in his grave."

Titus Salt wasn't tea total it's a myth. He just didnt want his workers drinking so didnt allow pubs etc.
"npwbd10 wrote: How can Bradford Council comment on a front door when they allow Fannys and Don't tell Titus public houses, Titus was a devout Teetotal and did not allow any pubs in Saltaire, these should be closed to retain the heritage then concentrate on the front doors, Titus would turn in his grave." Titus Salt wasn't tea total it's a myth. He just didnt want his workers drinking so didnt allow pubs etc. Baildonbantam
  • Score: 12

11:42am Tue 8 Jul 14

Joedavid says...

To me the photos look ok, just what is wrong with them?
Are there still satellite dishes at the Mill and houses can't have them?
To me the photos look ok, just what is wrong with them? Are there still satellite dishes at the Mill and houses can't have them? Joedavid
  • Score: 16

12:07pm Tue 8 Jul 14

carolyne74 says...

If you live in a World Heritage Site, you have to comply with the rules, whether you agree with them or not. It's all well and good saying "... what's one person's front door compared to the impact that would have?", and moaning about what the council is doing with the college and trees, etc, but if everyone decided to just do what they want, there'd be chaos. As the saying goes, "two wrongs don't make a right". That said, I can't see what's wrong with the blue door!
If you live in a World Heritage Site, you have to comply with the rules, whether you agree with them or not. It's all well and good saying "... what's one person's front door compared to the impact that would have?", and moaning about what the council is doing with the college and trees, etc, but if everyone decided to just do what they want, there'd be chaos. As the saying goes, "two wrongs don't make a right". That said, I can't see what's wrong with the blue door! carolyne74
  • Score: 12

12:19pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Johsay says...

If they apply for retrospective planning permission, then it'll be ok. Usually the case in Bradford.
If they apply for retrospective planning permission, then it'll be ok. Usually the case in Bradford. Johsay
  • Score: 13

12:22pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Albion. says...

Joedavid wrote:
To me the photos look ok, just what is wrong with them?
Are there still satellite dishes at the Mill and houses can't have them?
Houses can have them so long as they are obscured from view by the chimney stack when looking from the front. The doors have to be of the original pattern.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: To me the photos look ok, just what is wrong with them? Are there still satellite dishes at the Mill and houses can't have them?[/p][/quote]Houses can have them so long as they are obscured from view by the chimney stack when looking from the front. The doors have to be of the original pattern. Albion.
  • Score: 5

12:35pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Outraged Of Saltaire says...

Despicable that this paper would attempt a ‘name and shame’ by displaying a rogues gallery of houses published in such a way! Quite how this story managed to get to the front page of my copy this morning is beyond me. Branded like convicted criminals, your article falls short of mug shots of the owners/occupants of those houses! The real crimes being perpetrated upon Saltaire right now are by those in the council who see fit to cut down all the trees on Victoria Road despite the majority of respondents wanting trees retained in some form and not forgetting Shipley Colleges plans to destroy the beautiful gardens at the bottom of Exhibition Road, Helen Thornton is rich in saying what she has in this article. It’s well that she refers to the World Heritage Site (Est 2001) and not the long established Saltaire Conservation Area (Est 1971) which includes Exhibition Building, a building which is currently undergoing works to replace its jaded windows, not with wood as in the rest of the Saltaire Conservation Area but metal, one rule for the college and another for the residents! As work progresses on the windows with early morning starts serve a sorry pre curser to what may await the residents who live around the proposed site. Contractors permitted to commence their work from 7:30am turning this lovely area of the conservation area into a construction site. As for Helen Thorntons response to Shipley Colleges build, well it beggars belief! Read her letter, go to the councils own website, view planning applications and search for 'Exhibition Road' and click on the first one you find, it reads something along the lines of "demolition of 4no green houses..." all the attached documents can be viewed, then judge for yourself. Some double standards going on there Helen Thornton.
I continue to be Outraged!
Despicable that this paper would attempt a ‘name and shame’ by displaying a rogues gallery of houses published in such a way! Quite how this story managed to get to the front page of my copy this morning is beyond me. Branded like convicted criminals, your article falls short of mug shots of the owners/occupants of those houses! The real crimes being perpetrated upon Saltaire right now are by those in the council who see fit to cut down all the trees on Victoria Road despite the majority of respondents wanting trees retained in some form and not forgetting Shipley Colleges plans to destroy the beautiful gardens at the bottom of Exhibition Road, Helen Thornton is rich in saying what she has in this article. It’s well that she refers to the World Heritage Site (Est 2001) and not the long established Saltaire Conservation Area (Est 1971) which includes Exhibition Building, a building which is currently undergoing works to replace its jaded windows, not with wood as in the rest of the Saltaire Conservation Area but metal, one rule for the college and another for the residents! As work progresses on the windows with early morning starts serve a sorry pre curser to what may await the residents who live around the proposed site. Contractors permitted to commence their work from 7:30am turning this lovely area of the conservation area into a construction site. As for Helen Thorntons response to Shipley Colleges build, well it beggars belief! Read her letter, go to the councils own website, view planning applications and search for 'Exhibition Road' and click on the first one you find, it reads something along the lines of "demolition of 4no green houses..." all the attached documents can be viewed, then judge for yourself. Some double standards going on there Helen Thornton. I continue to be Outraged! Outraged Of Saltaire
  • Score: 30

1:04pm Tue 8 Jul 14

damraf says...

When you buy a house in saltaire you are told what you can and cannot do. There are people in the area that can help/ guide u in making the right choices. So I wonder how they have got away with it for so long. Good on the council to highlight the problem but as lots of the houses in the area are rented chase the land lords
When you buy a house in saltaire you are told what you can and cannot do. There are people in the area that can help/ guide u in making the right choices. So I wonder how they have got away with it for so long. Good on the council to highlight the problem but as lots of the houses in the area are rented chase the land lords damraf
  • Score: 4

1:32pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Rambo says...

They should put signs in their windows saying they're a Shisha lounge. Seems to turn other premises invisible to the council….
They should put signs in their windows saying they're a Shisha lounge. Seems to turn other premises invisible to the council…. Rambo
  • Score: 20

1:48pm Tue 8 Jul 14

basil fawlty says...

Well done Bradford Council, looks like somebody down in planning has finally grown a pair of .....
Well done Bradford Council, looks like somebody down in planning has finally grown a pair of ..... basil fawlty
  • Score: -10

2:10pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Elzivere says...

The council is showing leadership. The trees in Victoria Road are a hazard and spoil the view of the buildings as well as making the pavements impassable for push chairs and wheelchairs and those not too agile.
The proposed building on Exhibition Road will be a big improvement, not only to the students who will enjoy much improved facilities but also to the built landscape.
The Council and local residents groups work well together to keep up the standard befitting a World Heritage Site.
The council is showing leadership. The trees in Victoria Road are a hazard and spoil the view of the buildings as well as making the pavements impassable for push chairs and wheelchairs and those not too agile. The proposed building on Exhibition Road will be a big improvement, not only to the students who will enjoy much improved facilities but also to the built landscape. The Council and local residents groups work well together to keep up the standard befitting a World Heritage Site. Elzivere
  • Score: -25

3:29pm Tue 8 Jul 14

bwwb says...

Elzivere wrote:
The council is showing leadership. The trees in Victoria Road are a hazard and spoil the view of the buildings as well as making the pavements impassable for push chairs and wheelchairs and those not too agile.
The proposed building on Exhibition Road will be a big improvement, not only to the students who will enjoy much improved facilities but also to the built landscape.
The Council and local residents groups work well together to keep up the standard befitting a World Heritage Site.
So whilst the council is "improving things" people who attempt to upgrade their own property are seen as despoiling the area
I'm not sure Titus (who was certainly not teetotal -but didn't want his workers to participate in drink) would have approved of Tarmac on the stone setts or the raised kerbs both of which were carried out by the council and have done more to spoil the image of Saltaire than a few plastic doors
[quote][p][bold]Elzivere[/bold] wrote: The council is showing leadership. The trees in Victoria Road are a hazard and spoil the view of the buildings as well as making the pavements impassable for push chairs and wheelchairs and those not too agile. The proposed building on Exhibition Road will be a big improvement, not only to the students who will enjoy much improved facilities but also to the built landscape. The Council and local residents groups work well together to keep up the standard befitting a World Heritage Site.[/p][/quote]So whilst the council is "improving things" people who attempt to upgrade their own property are seen as despoiling the area I'm not sure Titus (who was certainly not teetotal -but didn't want his workers to participate in drink) would have approved of Tarmac on the stone setts or the raised kerbs both of which were carried out by the council and have done more to spoil the image of Saltaire than a few plastic doors bwwb
  • Score: 11

4:21pm Tue 8 Jul 14

webshow says...

sorrow&anger wrote:
This is so typical of the hypocrisy of City Hall. They are more than willing to force their planning laws on ordinary people, but when it comes to monstrosities like the Shipley College extension and developers are involved, they turn a blind eye. Just another demonstration that City Hall does not care about Bradford.
It always has been one rule for us and one for them.
[quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is so typical of the hypocrisy of City Hall. They are more than willing to force their planning laws on ordinary people, but when it comes to monstrosities like the Shipley College extension and developers are involved, they turn a blind eye. Just another demonstration that City Hall does not care about Bradford.[/p][/quote]It always has been one rule for us and one for them. webshow
  • Score: 17

4:42pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Colin Allcars says...

How many grade 2 listed buildings that have satellite dishes, sandblasting, gardens dug up for car parks, walls altered or removed, extensions and bad taste loft conversions have the idiot council turned a blind eye too in case it upsets 'the community'?
How many grade 2 listed buildings that have satellite dishes, sandblasting, gardens dug up for car parks, walls altered or removed, extensions and bad taste loft conversions have the idiot council turned a blind eye too in case it upsets 'the community'? Colin Allcars
  • Score: 22

5:29pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Liveinthesun says...

Pity Bradford council wasn't as keen,when the beautiful area of maningham was turned into a slum.
Pity Bradford council wasn't as keen,when the beautiful area of maningham was turned into a slum. Liveinthesun
  • Score: 25

5:42pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Adam_1986 says...

A really hot Taylor Swift look-a-like lives behind the blue one! #justsaying
A really hot Taylor Swift look-a-like lives behind the blue one! #justsaying Adam_1986
  • Score: 8

6:09pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Here today says...

Rambo wrote:
They should put signs in their windows saying they're a Shisha lounge. Seems to turn other premises invisible to the council….
or a madrasa, a bazaar, chuck a few boxes of half rotten veg out front and call it a convenience store....... blah blah, list goes on, trouble with saltaire is that it isn't "enriched" enough
[quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: They should put signs in their windows saying they're a Shisha lounge. Seems to turn other premises invisible to the council….[/p][/quote]or a madrasa, a bazaar, chuck a few boxes of half rotten veg out front and call it a convenience store....... blah blah, list goes on, trouble with saltaire is that it isn't "enriched" enough Here today
  • Score: 18

10:05pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Hoggy64 says...

Ironic isn't it that whilst the council pick on the little person, the big boys ride roughshod over planning regs. I refer specifically to 'The Hop" formally known as The Tramshed. Not only didn't the council give a stuff about the name change but the new owners erected a ridiculous number of signs in spite of planning permission being refused. And what have they done about enforcing their removal ...nowt! Bullies spring to mind!
Ironic isn't it that whilst the council pick on the little person, the big boys ride roughshod over planning regs. I refer specifically to 'The Hop" formally known as The Tramshed. Not only didn't the council give a stuff about the name change but the new owners erected a ridiculous number of signs in spite of planning permission being refused. And what have they done about enforcing their removal ...nowt! Bullies spring to mind! Hoggy64
  • Score: 11

11:22pm Tue 8 Jul 14

shitstirrer says...

Many of the properties in Saltaire have had the door longer than any conservation order on the property. There are one or two that have aluminium double glazed windows from the late sixties. At the time these were improvements to the property by the homeowner when no permission was required or rules to what sort.
If the council wants to make Saltaire back into the model village it once was then they need to mprove the roads, the pavements and carry out weeding and maintainance of the back allies which are a disgrace. They need to offer incentives rather than bully the residents into compliance, many of whom are elderly and have lived in Saltaire all their lives.
I'm sure if it were BD3, BD7 or BD5 then these things would be convienently overlooked.
Many of the properties in Saltaire have had the door longer than any conservation order on the property. There are one or two that have aluminium double glazed windows from the late sixties. At the time these were improvements to the property by the homeowner when no permission was required or rules to what sort. If the council wants to make Saltaire back into the model village it once was then they need to mprove the roads, the pavements and carry out weeding and maintainance of the back allies which are a disgrace. They need to offer incentives rather than bully the residents into compliance, many of whom are elderly and have lived in Saltaire all their lives. I'm sure if it were BD3, BD7 or BD5 then these things would be convienently overlooked. shitstirrer
  • Score: 16

6:43am Wed 9 Jul 14

food_for_thought says...

Leaving aside the rabid 'them and us' nature of some of the comments above....it must be really difficuly walking with that enormous chip on one shoulder!...there is actually a valid point to enforcement of the replacment door policy in Saltaire. The whole housing system in the village was designed (and further developed over its life under Salt) as a hierarchical reflection of status within the mill. Overseers lived in the larger houses at the top of each street, the more senior you were, the further up the village you were housed, etc...and the doors were an important part of this with the number of panels and addition of a glass light above indicating the position of the inhabitant in the grand scheme of things. The doors are, therefore, an integral part of the story of the village (unlike the road surfaces - although, personally, I think that restoration of the setts would be a major improvement!).

Intersting points about Salt and the pub business...he certainly didn't make Saltaire dry because of a religious view on the demon drink as has been suggested, but was motivated more by his wish to remain in total control of his workforce. This was a time when the fore-runners to trade unions were of great concern to mill owners and Titus simply didn't want his workers congregating where he (or his managers) couldn't see and hear what they were up to....ever notice the 'sentry posts' on top of the mill buildings? They weren't put there to make the mill look pretty but were the historival equivalent of CCTV.
Leaving aside the rabid 'them and us' nature of some of the comments above....it must be really difficuly walking with that enormous chip on one shoulder!...there is actually a valid point to enforcement of the replacment door policy in Saltaire. The whole housing system in the village was designed (and further developed over its life under Salt) as a hierarchical reflection of status within the mill. Overseers lived in the larger houses at the top of each street, the more senior you were, the further up the village you were housed, etc...and the doors were an important part of this with the number of panels and addition of a glass light above indicating the position of the inhabitant in the grand scheme of things. The doors are, therefore, an integral part of the story of the village (unlike the road surfaces - although, personally, I think that restoration of the setts would be a major improvement!). Intersting points about Salt and the pub business...he certainly didn't make Saltaire dry because of a religious view on the demon drink as has been suggested, but was motivated more by his wish to remain in total control of his workforce. This was a time when the fore-runners to trade unions were of great concern to mill owners and Titus simply didn't want his workers congregating where he (or his managers) couldn't see and hear what they were up to....ever notice the 'sentry posts' on top of the mill buildings? They weren't put there to make the mill look pretty but were the historival equivalent of CCTV. food_for_thought
  • Score: 6

9:17am Wed 9 Jul 14

bcfc1903 says...

Regarding the World Heritage site at Saltaire, every effort needs to be made to keep the site in good order with any additions monitored including front doors. Replacements should be in character with what was originally there so I'm with the Council regarding some of the poor doors shown in the T&A. They should be replaced!!!
Regarding the World Heritage site at Saltaire, every effort needs to be made to keep the site in good order with any additions monitored including front doors. Replacements should be in character with what was originally there so I'm with the Council regarding some of the poor doors shown in the T&A. They should be replaced!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: -4

9:23am Wed 9 Jul 14

More of the same.. says...

Helen Thornton - World Heritage Officer - Doors? A back alley clean? minor compared to the destruction of conservation area with the proposed Shipley college extension.

Why the heck is this person in post!
Helen Thornton - World Heritage Officer - Doors? A back alley clean? minor compared to the destruction of conservation area with the proposed Shipley college extension. Why the heck is this person in post! More of the same..
  • Score: 8

10:19am Wed 9 Jul 14

vax2002 says...

The old style softwood door and frame may be very 19th Century, but we live in the 21 st century.
In the 1900's people did not kick your door in and steal your goods.
One tap and these "heritage" doors are off the hinges.
The old style softwood door and frame may be very 19th Century, but we live in the 21 st century. In the 1900's people did not kick your door in and steal your goods. One tap and these "heritage" doors are off the hinges. vax2002
  • Score: 3

10:39am Wed 9 Jul 14

Amyjojo9 says...

sorrow&anger wrote:
This is so typical of the hypocrisy of City Hall. They are more than willing to force their planning laws on ordinary people, but when it comes to monstrosities like the Shipley College extension and developers are involved, they turn a blind eye. Just another demonstration that City Hall does not care about Bradford.
I totally agree it's sounds right for BFD Council planning. The development at 66 Bradford Rd Clayton were the residents have measured the building and the Council also have measured the building. The plans the developer as put in are again wrong and BFD council planning officers know they are wrong but still they have submitted it's ok because the council can not do there job. Instead of getting rid of street cleaners the council should look at building control and planning to get rid of corruption what goes on.
[quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: This is so typical of the hypocrisy of City Hall. They are more than willing to force their planning laws on ordinary people, but when it comes to monstrosities like the Shipley College extension and developers are involved, they turn a blind eye. Just another demonstration that City Hall does not care about Bradford.[/p][/quote]I totally agree it's sounds right for BFD Council planning. The development at 66 Bradford Rd Clayton were the residents have measured the building and the Council also have measured the building. The plans the developer as put in are again wrong and BFD council planning officers know they are wrong but still they have submitted it's ok because the council can not do there job. Instead of getting rid of street cleaners the council should look at building control and planning to get rid of corruption what goes on. Amyjojo9
  • Score: 11

11:37am Wed 9 Jul 14

redjer says...

damraf wrote:
When you buy a house in saltaire you are told what you can and cannot do. There are people in the area that can help/ guide u in making the right choices. So I wonder how they have got away with it for so long. Good on the council to highlight the problem but as lots of the houses in the area are rented chase the land lords
You aren't automatically told what to do when you buy a house here - you have to do a lot of digging and hope that you identify the few individuals who genuinely know what can and can't be applied. I have gone through this process recently and been given completely incorrect advice, at times, from council employees. That said, once you hit on someone who does know what's needed, they have been incredibly helpful.

There is also a requirement to obtain building control permission for windows when these are restored back to the original style - a fact that I wasn't advised about (and I know others weren't aware either) so am now going through the process of retrospective permission. I sought extensive advice in order to make sure I did everything by the book to comply with Planning, yet at no point did anyone at the Council flag that Building Control also needed to be involved.

Point about chasing landlords is irrelevant - the council, presumably, will be chasing the owners as opposed to tenants. Unless, of course, you have an issue with landlords/rental properties generally in the area. I know several landlords here who have invested significantly in restoring properties in the village that previous owner occupiers had allowed to fall into significant disrepair. Consequently, there is little financial gain in the short term, contrary to popular belief, yet they are going above and beyond what previous residents have done to maintain standards in the village and ensure properties are restored to the original style and character thus contributing to both the local economy and restoration of the village. Of course, there are going to be some landlords who just don't care and are just in it for the money, so don't maintain the properties or just do the bare minimum so I guess that simply puts them in the same bracket as some existing resident owners. The overriding issue here comes down to to cost. Whilst I wholly support the Council's aim to ensure that improvements are managed effectively and in keeping with the history and heritage status (notwithstanding the double standards re the college and trees), the cost of complying with Council standards is excessive - at least for new windows or doors - and with no grants or preferred suppliers working by approved set fees, it is no surprise that owners (be they landlords or residents) seek cheaper alternatives to maintain their properties.
As for the article, whilst I certainly don't condone the owners of these properties for not abiding by the rules, it is wholly inappropriate for the press to name and shame like this without knowing the full background of the story or circumstances of the individuals concerned.
[quote][p][bold]damraf[/bold] wrote: When you buy a house in saltaire you are told what you can and cannot do. There are people in the area that can help/ guide u in making the right choices. So I wonder how they have got away with it for so long. Good on the council to highlight the problem but as lots of the houses in the area are rented chase the land lords[/p][/quote]You aren't automatically told what to do when you buy a house here - you have to do a lot of digging and hope that you identify the few individuals who genuinely know what can and can't be applied. I have gone through this process recently and been given completely incorrect advice, at times, from council employees. That said, once you hit on someone who does know what's needed, they have been incredibly helpful. There is also a requirement to obtain building control permission for windows when these are restored back to the original style - a fact that I wasn't advised about (and I know others weren't aware either) so am now going through the process of retrospective permission. I sought extensive advice in order to make sure I did everything by the book to comply with Planning, yet at no point did anyone at the Council flag that Building Control also needed to be involved. Point about chasing landlords is irrelevant - the council, presumably, will be chasing the owners as opposed to tenants. Unless, of course, you have an issue with landlords/rental properties generally in the area. I know several landlords here who have invested significantly in restoring properties in the village that previous owner occupiers had allowed to fall into significant disrepair. Consequently, there is little financial gain in the short term, contrary to popular belief, yet they are going above and beyond what previous residents have done to maintain standards in the village and ensure properties are restored to the original style and character thus contributing to both the local economy and restoration of the village. Of course, there are going to be some landlords who just don't care and are just in it for the money, so don't maintain the properties or just do the bare minimum so I guess that simply puts them in the same bracket as some existing resident owners. The overriding issue here comes down to to cost. Whilst I wholly support the Council's aim to ensure that improvements are managed effectively and in keeping with the history and heritage status (notwithstanding the double standards re the college and trees), the cost of complying with Council standards is excessive - at least for new windows or doors - and with no grants or preferred suppliers working by approved set fees, it is no surprise that owners (be they landlords or residents) seek cheaper alternatives to maintain their properties. As for the article, whilst I certainly don't condone the owners of these properties for not abiding by the rules, it is wholly inappropriate for the press to name and shame like this without knowing the full background of the story or circumstances of the individuals concerned. redjer
  • Score: 8

12:11pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Joedavid says...

redjer wrote:
damraf wrote:
When you buy a house in saltaire you are told what you can and cannot do. There are people in the area that can help/ guide u in making the right choices. So I wonder how they have got away with it for so long. Good on the council to highlight the problem but as lots of the houses in the area are rented chase the land lords
You aren't automatically told what to do when you buy a house here - you have to do a lot of digging and hope that you identify the few individuals who genuinely know what can and can't be applied. I have gone through this process recently and been given completely incorrect advice, at times, from council employees. That said, once you hit on someone who does know what's needed, they have been incredibly helpful.

There is also a requirement to obtain building control permission for windows when these are restored back to the original style - a fact that I wasn't advised about (and I know others weren't aware either) so am now going through the process of retrospective permission. I sought extensive advice in order to make sure I did everything by the book to comply with Planning, yet at no point did anyone at the Council flag that Building Control also needed to be involved.

Point about chasing landlords is irrelevant - the council, presumably, will be chasing the owners as opposed to tenants. Unless, of course, you have an issue with landlords/rental properties generally in the area. I know several landlords here who have invested significantly in restoring properties in the village that previous owner occupiers had allowed to fall into significant disrepair. Consequently, there is little financial gain in the short term, contrary to popular belief, yet they are going above and beyond what previous residents have done to maintain standards in the village and ensure properties are restored to the original style and character thus contributing to both the local economy and restoration of the village. Of course, there are going to be some landlords who just don't care and are just in it for the money, so don't maintain the properties or just do the bare minimum so I guess that simply puts them in the same bracket as some existing resident owners. The overriding issue here comes down to to cost. Whilst I wholly support the Council's aim to ensure that improvements are managed effectively and in keeping with the history and heritage status (notwithstanding the double standards re the college and trees), the cost of complying with Council standards is excessive - at least for new windows or doors - and with no grants or preferred suppliers working by approved set fees, it is no surprise that owners (be they landlords or residents) seek cheaper alternatives to maintain their properties.
As for the article, whilst I certainly don't condone the owners of these properties for not abiding by the rules, it is wholly inappropriate for the press to name and shame like this without knowing the full background of the story or circumstances of the individuals concerned.
Good post.
[quote][p][bold]redjer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damraf[/bold] wrote: When you buy a house in saltaire you are told what you can and cannot do. There are people in the area that can help/ guide u in making the right choices. So I wonder how they have got away with it for so long. Good on the council to highlight the problem but as lots of the houses in the area are rented chase the land lords[/p][/quote]You aren't automatically told what to do when you buy a house here - you have to do a lot of digging and hope that you identify the few individuals who genuinely know what can and can't be applied. I have gone through this process recently and been given completely incorrect advice, at times, from council employees. That said, once you hit on someone who does know what's needed, they have been incredibly helpful. There is also a requirement to obtain building control permission for windows when these are restored back to the original style - a fact that I wasn't advised about (and I know others weren't aware either) so am now going through the process of retrospective permission. I sought extensive advice in order to make sure I did everything by the book to comply with Planning, yet at no point did anyone at the Council flag that Building Control also needed to be involved. Point about chasing landlords is irrelevant - the council, presumably, will be chasing the owners as opposed to tenants. Unless, of course, you have an issue with landlords/rental properties generally in the area. I know several landlords here who have invested significantly in restoring properties in the village that previous owner occupiers had allowed to fall into significant disrepair. Consequently, there is little financial gain in the short term, contrary to popular belief, yet they are going above and beyond what previous residents have done to maintain standards in the village and ensure properties are restored to the original style and character thus contributing to both the local economy and restoration of the village. Of course, there are going to be some landlords who just don't care and are just in it for the money, so don't maintain the properties or just do the bare minimum so I guess that simply puts them in the same bracket as some existing resident owners. The overriding issue here comes down to to cost. Whilst I wholly support the Council's aim to ensure that improvements are managed effectively and in keeping with the history and heritage status (notwithstanding the double standards re the college and trees), the cost of complying with Council standards is excessive - at least for new windows or doors - and with no grants or preferred suppliers working by approved set fees, it is no surprise that owners (be they landlords or residents) seek cheaper alternatives to maintain their properties. As for the article, whilst I certainly don't condone the owners of these properties for not abiding by the rules, it is wholly inappropriate for the press to name and shame like this without knowing the full background of the story or circumstances of the individuals concerned.[/p][/quote]Good post. Joedavid
  • Score: 7

12:11pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Joedavid says...

redjer wrote:
damraf wrote:
When you buy a house in saltaire you are told what you can and cannot do. There are people in the area that can help/ guide u in making the right choices. So I wonder how they have got away with it for so long. Good on the council to highlight the problem but as lots of the houses in the area are rented chase the land lords
You aren't automatically told what to do when you buy a house here - you have to do a lot of digging and hope that you identify the few individuals who genuinely know what can and can't be applied. I have gone through this process recently and been given completely incorrect advice, at times, from council employees. That said, once you hit on someone who does know what's needed, they have been incredibly helpful.

There is also a requirement to obtain building control permission for windows when these are restored back to the original style - a fact that I wasn't advised about (and I know others weren't aware either) so am now going through the process of retrospective permission. I sought extensive advice in order to make sure I did everything by the book to comply with Planning, yet at no point did anyone at the Council flag that Building Control also needed to be involved.

Point about chasing landlords is irrelevant - the council, presumably, will be chasing the owners as opposed to tenants. Unless, of course, you have an issue with landlords/rental properties generally in the area. I know several landlords here who have invested significantly in restoring properties in the village that previous owner occupiers had allowed to fall into significant disrepair. Consequently, there is little financial gain in the short term, contrary to popular belief, yet they are going above and beyond what previous residents have done to maintain standards in the village and ensure properties are restored to the original style and character thus contributing to both the local economy and restoration of the village. Of course, there are going to be some landlords who just don't care and are just in it for the money, so don't maintain the properties or just do the bare minimum so I guess that simply puts them in the same bracket as some existing resident owners. The overriding issue here comes down to to cost. Whilst I wholly support the Council's aim to ensure that improvements are managed effectively and in keeping with the history and heritage status (notwithstanding the double standards re the college and trees), the cost of complying with Council standards is excessive - at least for new windows or doors - and with no grants or preferred suppliers working by approved set fees, it is no surprise that owners (be they landlords or residents) seek cheaper alternatives to maintain their properties.
As for the article, whilst I certainly don't condone the owners of these properties for not abiding by the rules, it is wholly inappropriate for the press to name and shame like this without knowing the full background of the story or circumstances of the individuals concerned.
Good post.
[quote][p][bold]redjer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]damraf[/bold] wrote: When you buy a house in saltaire you are told what you can and cannot do. There are people in the area that can help/ guide u in making the right choices. So I wonder how they have got away with it for so long. Good on the council to highlight the problem but as lots of the houses in the area are rented chase the land lords[/p][/quote]You aren't automatically told what to do when you buy a house here - you have to do a lot of digging and hope that you identify the few individuals who genuinely know what can and can't be applied. I have gone through this process recently and been given completely incorrect advice, at times, from council employees. That said, once you hit on someone who does know what's needed, they have been incredibly helpful. There is also a requirement to obtain building control permission for windows when these are restored back to the original style - a fact that I wasn't advised about (and I know others weren't aware either) so am now going through the process of retrospective permission. I sought extensive advice in order to make sure I did everything by the book to comply with Planning, yet at no point did anyone at the Council flag that Building Control also needed to be involved. Point about chasing landlords is irrelevant - the council, presumably, will be chasing the owners as opposed to tenants. Unless, of course, you have an issue with landlords/rental properties generally in the area. I know several landlords here who have invested significantly in restoring properties in the village that previous owner occupiers had allowed to fall into significant disrepair. Consequently, there is little financial gain in the short term, contrary to popular belief, yet they are going above and beyond what previous residents have done to maintain standards in the village and ensure properties are restored to the original style and character thus contributing to both the local economy and restoration of the village. Of course, there are going to be some landlords who just don't care and are just in it for the money, so don't maintain the properties or just do the bare minimum so I guess that simply puts them in the same bracket as some existing resident owners. The overriding issue here comes down to to cost. Whilst I wholly support the Council's aim to ensure that improvements are managed effectively and in keeping with the history and heritage status (notwithstanding the double standards re the college and trees), the cost of complying with Council standards is excessive - at least for new windows or doors - and with no grants or preferred suppliers working by approved set fees, it is no surprise that owners (be they landlords or residents) seek cheaper alternatives to maintain their properties. As for the article, whilst I certainly don't condone the owners of these properties for not abiding by the rules, it is wholly inappropriate for the press to name and shame like this without knowing the full background of the story or circumstances of the individuals concerned.[/p][/quote]Good post. Joedavid
  • Score: 3

12:20pm Wed 9 Jul 14

What?,when?,where? says...

The ironic point is that if upvc doors had existed when these houses were built, then there would not be any draughty wooden doors in situ.
How about putting the toilets back into the middens, that should please the busybodies.
The ironic point is that if upvc doors had existed when these houses were built, then there would not be any draughty wooden doors in situ. How about putting the toilets back into the middens, that should please the busybodies. What?,when?,where?
  • Score: 4

3:07pm Wed 9 Jul 14

rokerman says...

npwbd10 wrote:
Bradford Council have got this all wrong on many counts, Titus Salt was a devout Teetotal and as such would not allow a public house to be built in Saltaire, look now Fannys even Don't tell Titus when these are closed vdown to keep the heritage tradition then they can start to look at front doors

Titus would turn on his grave
Titus Salt was not a teetotaller - please get your facts right
[quote][p][bold]npwbd10[/bold] wrote: Bradford Council have got this all wrong on many counts, Titus Salt was a devout Teetotal and as such would not allow a public house to be built in Saltaire, look now Fannys even Don't tell Titus when these are closed vdown to keep the heritage tradition then they can start to look at front doors Titus would turn on his grave[/p][/quote]Titus Salt was not a teetotaller - please get your facts right rokerman
  • Score: 3

6:14pm Wed 9 Jul 14

bradford gooner says...

npwbd10 wrote:
Bradford Council have got this all wrong on many counts, Titus Salt was a devout Teetotal and as such would not allow a public house to be built in Saltaire, look now Fannys even Don't tell Titus when these are closed vdown to keep the heritage tradition then they can start to look at front doors

Titus would turn on his grave
Maybe fanny's ale house is ok because cllr
Ford drinks in there!
[quote][p][bold]npwbd10[/bold] wrote: Bradford Council have got this all wrong on many counts, Titus Salt was a devout Teetotal and as such would not allow a public house to be built in Saltaire, look now Fannys even Don't tell Titus when these are closed vdown to keep the heritage tradition then they can start to look at front doors Titus would turn on his grave[/p][/quote]Maybe fanny's ale house is ok because cllr Ford drinks in there! bradford gooner
  • Score: 0

6:20pm Wed 9 Jul 14

bradford gooner says...

Maybe the council would be better worrying about dozens of people blocking a public footpath outside fannys ale house .someone will end up being killed having to walk in the road to get past but this seems ok .
Maybe the council would be better worrying about dozens of people blocking a public footpath outside fannys ale house .someone will end up being killed having to walk in the road to get past but this seems ok . bradford gooner
  • Score: 5

8:36pm Wed 9 Jul 14

bradford gooner says...

Some of these residents r very old and lived there 4 many years will the council help with the cost
Some of these residents r very old and lived there 4 many years will the council help with the cost bradford gooner
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Colin Allcars says...

How many cars were parked on Saltaire's streets when the village was built? Shouldn't the trains passing through be only steam engines?
How many cars were parked on Saltaire's streets when the village was built? Shouldn't the trains passing through be only steam engines? Colin Allcars
  • Score: -1

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