Fury as strike-breaking firefighters are paid 'thousands' in food and drink expenses

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Strike-breaking firefighters were paid more than £4,000 in food and drink expenses, the furious Fire Brigades Union (FBU) has claimed.

West Yorkshire Fire and Rescue Service is accused of paying £200 each to crews on 21 fire engines that were in service when FBU members walked out for 24 hours last week.

FBU secretary Dave Williams also claimed that new camp beds and bedding were bought for the strike-breakers to sleep on, despite every station already having sleeping provisions.

Mr Williams suggested fire chiefs were trying to create division, and added: "It is infuriating. Members are really up in arms about this."

He continued: "It has baffled me. Buying beds is crazy, buying sleeping bags is bonkers - why not ask them to provide duvets?"

Mr Williams also slammed bosses as "petty", and said: "It is getting the backs of the strikers up. We are losing money, yet these people are getting paid quite handsomely to come in and then also getting meals paid for.

"It is another tactic that our chiefs use to put up barriers."

On the food and drink expenses, Mr Williams said: "We know that every fire engine was given £200 and there are four people per fire engine - so that's £50 each to pay for food whilst at work.

"Normally a firefighter provides their own meals. For these people to receive a £200 comfort payment is just astronomical.

"There were 21 fire engines at the last strike, we suspect. If they are getting £200 each, it is £4,000.

"I could understand emergency feeding because we get that ourselves. But this is not an emergency. There are seven days notice of a strike and resilience crews will know they are expected to work 24 hours."

He added: "They were bought bedding and new camp-type beds to sleep on for a 24-hour period - that is a waste of money."

Assistant Chief Officer Dave Walton confirmed an allowance for meals and refreshments was paid, adding: "This is in recognition of the fact that, as we have only approximately half of our regular fleet available during periods of strike action, it is very difficult to guarantee the times and locations at which breaks will be taken.

"We therefore provide contingency crews with the ability to buy food where and when convenient to them."

He added: "In the latest 24-hour strike period, £200 was allocated per engine for food and drink, and expenditure was monitored by receipts. The actual amounts spent per fire engine was significantly less and the difference was returned to the brigade.

"With regards to the provision of sleeping facilities we did, of course, use the facilities that were already available on stations. A limited number of camp beds from stock were supplied to those crews who

provided essential fire cover from Retained Duty System fire stations, where beds are not provided as crews respond from their home addresses.

A very limited number of sleeping bags, from stock, were provided to staff who did not have their own, though it should be noted that the vast majority did have their own, and used them. We regularly provide bedding to all of our staff who work the whole time duty system."

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7:18am Thu 19 Jun 14

Albion. says...

"Mr Williams suggested fire chiefs were trying to create division,"

Rather ironic coming from him.
"Mr Williams suggested fire chiefs were trying to create division," Rather ironic coming from him. Albion.
  • Score: -2

8:06am Thu 19 Jun 14

angry bradfordian says...

"Mr Williams suggested fire chiefs were trying to create division,"

Mr Williams is the one who has brought this to the attention of the media, so I'd suggest he's the one who is creating a divide!

I'm staggered at his suggestion that fireman should have to bring in their own bedding. If a directive HAD been issued to tell them to bring their own equipment, he'd have been the first to be complaining about cuts.
Or perhaps he's only interested if it involves the strikers subsidising his wages and not the public's safety?
"Mr Williams suggested fire chiefs were trying to create division," Mr Williams is the one who has brought this to the attention of the media, so I'd suggest he's the one who is creating a divide! I'm staggered at his suggestion that fireman should have to bring in their own bedding. If a directive HAD been issued to tell them to bring their own equipment, he'd have been the first to be complaining about cuts. Or perhaps he's only interested if it involves the strikers subsidising his wages and not the public's safety? angry bradfordian
  • Score: -27

9:08am Thu 19 Jun 14

alive and awake says...

What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites.. alive and awake
  • Score: -51

9:11am Thu 19 Jun 14

alive and awake says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
"Mr Williams suggested fire chiefs were trying to create division,"

Mr Williams is the one who has brought this to the attention of the media, so I'd suggest he's the one who is creating a divide!

I'm staggered at his suggestion that fireman should have to bring in their own bedding. If a directive HAD been issued to tell them to bring their own equipment, he'd have been the first to be complaining about cuts.
Or perhaps he's only interested if it involves the strikers subsidising his wages and not the public's safety?
I once took a sleeping bag to work, couldn't sleep for the phones ringing and people knocking on my door.
I think it is about time the Fire service was privatised.
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: "Mr Williams suggested fire chiefs were trying to create division," Mr Williams is the one who has brought this to the attention of the media, so I'd suggest he's the one who is creating a divide! I'm staggered at his suggestion that fireman should have to bring in their own bedding. If a directive HAD been issued to tell them to bring their own equipment, he'd have been the first to be complaining about cuts. Or perhaps he's only interested if it involves the strikers subsidising his wages and not the public's safety?[/p][/quote]I once took a sleeping bag to work, couldn't sleep for the phones ringing and people knocking on my door. I think it is about time the Fire service was privatised. alive and awake
  • Score: -55

9:38am Thu 19 Jun 14

allinittogether says...

alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? allinittogether
  • Score: 50

10:46am Thu 19 Jun 14

Chester copperpot says...

Anyone can have a 2nd job. Firefighters, due to working unsociable hours, have time off through the week and during the day. People who work Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 could take secondary employment on an evening or weekend, while firefighters are doing their primary employment, but they choose not to. Personal preference I think its called. I know firefighters who work. I know firefighters who don't. I know firefighters who work but wish they didn't have to. I also know firefighters who can't (because they have children to look after for example) but would like to. I also know firefighters who do volunteer work.
Your comments and generalisations about firefighters not paying tax shows your lack of knowledge, least of all because you use the term "firemen".
Anyone can have a 2nd job. Firefighters, due to working unsociable hours, have time off through the week and during the day. People who work Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 could take secondary employment on an evening or weekend, while firefighters are doing their primary employment, but they choose not to. Personal preference I think its called. I know firefighters who work. I know firefighters who don't. I know firefighters who work but wish they didn't have to. I also know firefighters who can't (because they have children to look after for example) but would like to. I also know firefighters who do volunteer work. Your comments and generalisations about firefighters not paying tax shows your lack of knowledge, least of all because you use the term "firemen". Chester copperpot
  • Score: 72

11:15am Thu 19 Jun 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Thank god for the caption on the photo above. I'd have been lost without it.
Thank god for the caption on the photo above. I'd have been lost without it. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 22

12:10pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Mish29 says...

Chester copperpot wrote:
Anyone can have a 2nd job. Firefighters, due to working unsociable hours, have time off through the week and during the day. People who work Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 could take secondary employment on an evening or weekend, while firefighters are doing their primary employment, but they choose not to. Personal preference I think its called. I know firefighters who work. I know firefighters who don't. I know firefighters who work but wish they didn't have to. I also know firefighters who can't (because they have children to look after for example) but would like to. I also know firefighters who do volunteer work.
Your comments and generalisations about firefighters not paying tax shows your lack of knowledge, least of all because you use the term "firemen".
Well said !! Astounds me the lack of knowledge people have of the fire service and they are the first to make silly comments with no facts to back it up !
[quote][p][bold]Chester copperpot[/bold] wrote: Anyone can have a 2nd job. Firefighters, due to working unsociable hours, have time off through the week and during the day. People who work Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 could take secondary employment on an evening or weekend, while firefighters are doing their primary employment, but they choose not to. Personal preference I think its called. I know firefighters who work. I know firefighters who don't. I know firefighters who work but wish they didn't have to. I also know firefighters who can't (because they have children to look after for example) but would like to. I also know firefighters who do volunteer work. Your comments and generalisations about firefighters not paying tax shows your lack of knowledge, least of all because you use the term "firemen".[/p][/quote]Well said !! Astounds me the lack of knowledge people have of the fire service and they are the first to make silly comments with no facts to back it up ! Mish29
  • Score: 40

1:17pm Thu 19 Jun 14

MeccaBingo1 says...

allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years MeccaBingo1
  • Score: -40

1:30pm Thu 19 Jun 14

allinittogether says...

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.
[quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed. allinittogether
  • Score: 25

1:42pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Ballboy2012 says...

Early retirement on 20k pension...... WOW ..... Not in the real world I live in.

Firemen should be one of the healthiest jobs around, retiring at 60 would not seem unreasonable, I can think of more difficult jobs in the building trade etc that people have to work into their 60's doing.

stop moaning.
Early retirement on 20k pension...... WOW ..... Not in the real world I live in. Firemen should be one of the healthiest jobs around, retiring at 60 would not seem unreasonable, I can think of more difficult jobs in the building trade etc that people have to work into their 60's doing. stop moaning. Ballboy2012
  • Score: -30

1:48pm Thu 19 Jun 14

MeccaBingo1 says...

allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.
I know 3

all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS!

and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!

Get real, and stop acting like children.

Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.[/p][/quote]I know 3 all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS! and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Get real, and stop acting like children. Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*. MeccaBingo1
  • Score: -29

2:04pm Thu 19 Jun 14

allinittogether says...

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.
I know 3

all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS!

and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!

Get real, and stop acting like children.

Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.
You're obviously not happy with your lot in life so what are you doing about it?
Firefighters are having their pensions radically altered for the worse and are standing up for themselves, that you perceive they are already better off than you and are jealous does not alter that fact.
[quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.[/p][/quote]I know 3 all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS! and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Get real, and stop acting like children. Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.[/p][/quote]You're obviously not happy with your lot in life so what are you doing about it? Firefighters are having their pensions radically altered for the worse and are standing up for themselves, that you perceive they are already better off than you and are jealous does not alter that fact. allinittogether
  • Score: 26

2:22pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Squaaanky says...

Ballboy2012 wrote:
Early retirement on 20k pension...... WOW ..... Not in the real world I live in.

Firemen should be one of the healthiest jobs around, retiring at 60 would not seem unreasonable, I can think of more difficult jobs in the building trade etc that people have to work into their 60's doing.

stop moaning.
Im in the building trade and i have never been asked to do a fitness test and get sacked if I fail for getting old with no job and no pension. We have a bricky in his 60's who is far slower than the others who are younger which is natural but he isnt thrown on the scrap heap he has earned the respect of the younger lads . You too could have a 20k pension if you paid £4k of your wages a year for 30 years into a pension scheme so go for it. And Meccabingo1we have firefighters who work with us 2 days a week and I can guarentee they are subject to the same tax and NI rules as the rest of us and if you believe you fund their pensions your sadly mistaken as its funded by the current working firefighters as explained above. Im sick of this Tory government worsening the conditions of the working men and women and those of you who are attacking people for standing up for what you signed up for are making the governments job so much easier get a grip!!
[quote][p][bold]Ballboy2012[/bold] wrote: Early retirement on 20k pension...... WOW ..... Not in the real world I live in. Firemen should be one of the healthiest jobs around, retiring at 60 would not seem unreasonable, I can think of more difficult jobs in the building trade etc that people have to work into their 60's doing. stop moaning.[/p][/quote]Im in the building trade and i have never been asked to do a fitness test and get sacked if I fail for getting old with no job and no pension. We have a bricky in his 60's who is far slower than the others who are younger which is natural but he isnt thrown on the scrap heap he has earned the respect of the younger lads . You too could have a 20k pension if you paid £4k of your wages a year for 30 years into a pension scheme so go for it. And Meccabingo1we have firefighters who work with us 2 days a week and I can guarentee they are subject to the same tax and NI rules as the rest of us and if you believe you fund their pensions your sadly mistaken as its funded by the current working firefighters as explained above. Im sick of this Tory government worsening the conditions of the working men and women and those of you who are attacking people for standing up for what you signed up for are making the governments job so much easier get a grip!! Squaaanky
  • Score: 39

2:24pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Squaaanky says...

Sorry Meccabingo1 I misquoted you it was Alive and awake!!
Sorry Meccabingo1 I misquoted you it was Alive and awake!! Squaaanky
  • Score: 4

2:29pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Squaaanky says...

I take my apology back meccabingo1
I take my apology back meccabingo1 Squaaanky
  • Score: 0

2:50pm Thu 19 Jun 14

MarkPullen says...

allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
I'd be more worried about the thousands of benefit scroungers who are either avoiding getting off their rears to earn any form of crust or those who are happy to take from my taxes whilst taking undeclared earnings.

Is it illegal to work on your days off?
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]I'd be more worried about the thousands of benefit scroungers who are either avoiding getting off their rears to earn any form of crust or those who are happy to take from my taxes whilst taking undeclared earnings. Is it illegal to work on your days off? MarkPullen
  • Score: 6

2:51pm Thu 19 Jun 14

MarkPullen says...

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
Though I'm pretty sure you couldn't handle the job!
[quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]Though I'm pretty sure you couldn't handle the job! MarkPullen
  • Score: 8

2:54pm Thu 19 Jun 14

MeccaBingo1 says...

allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.
I know 3

all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS!

and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!!

Get real, and stop acting like children.

Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.
You're obviously not happy with your lot in life so what are you doing about it?
Firefighters are having their pensions radically altered for the worse and are standing up for themselves, that you perceive they are already better off than you and are jealous does not alter that fact.
If only you knew!

Most public sectors pensions are STILL NOT fully funded even at 12%, so its the like of me and millions of others that work in the private sector that make up the massive short fall. Only local government pensions are fully funded.

So it nots a case of been jealous, but only wanting a fair deal for everyone!

If I had my way I would make fire figthers a part time job, as in North Yorkshire.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.[/p][/quote]I know 3 all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS! and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Get real, and stop acting like children. Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.[/p][/quote]You're obviously not happy with your lot in life so what are you doing about it? Firefighters are having their pensions radically altered for the worse and are standing up for themselves, that you perceive they are already better off than you and are jealous does not alter that fact.[/p][/quote]If only you knew! Most public sectors pensions are STILL NOT fully funded even at 12%, so its the like of me and millions of others that work in the private sector that make up the massive short fall. Only local government pensions are fully funded. So it nots a case of been jealous, but only wanting a fair deal for everyone! If I had my way I would make fire figthers a part time job, as in North Yorkshire. MeccaBingo1
  • Score: -22

2:54pm Thu 19 Jun 14

MarkPullen says...

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.
I know 3

all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS!

and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!

Get real, and stop acting like children.

Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.
Let's hope you never need them in an emergency - many voices in the 1970s shouted down the firefighters when they were being treated like cr@p but as soon as their stray ciggy or overfilled chip pan caught alight they went wimpering back into their holes.

Don't knock the job they do until you've either worked in their boots or had one as a partner/parent.

Be more worried that governments continue to reduce the funding in your local stations - pumps dropping by 2/3 and stations closing.
[quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.[/p][/quote]I know 3 all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS! and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Get real, and stop acting like children. Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.[/p][/quote]Let's hope you never need them in an emergency - many voices in the 1970s shouted down the firefighters when they were being treated like cr@p but as soon as their stray ciggy or overfilled chip pan caught alight they went wimpering back into their holes. Don't knock the job they do until you've either worked in their boots or had one as a partner/parent. Be more worried that governments continue to reduce the funding in your local stations - pumps dropping by 2/3 and stations closing. MarkPullen
  • Score: 13

2:55pm Thu 19 Jun 14

MarkPullen says...

allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.
I know 3

all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS!

and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!!

Get real, and stop acting like children.

Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.
You're obviously not happy with your lot in life so what are you doing about it?
Firefighters are having their pensions radically altered for the worse and are standing up for themselves, that you perceive they are already better off than you and are jealous does not alter that fact.
Jealousy
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.[/p][/quote]I know 3 all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS! and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Get real, and stop acting like children. Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.[/p][/quote]You're obviously not happy with your lot in life so what are you doing about it? Firefighters are having their pensions radically altered for the worse and are standing up for themselves, that you perceive they are already better off than you and are jealous does not alter that fact.[/p][/quote]Jealousy MarkPullen
  • Score: 0

3:01pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Squaaanky wrote:
Ballboy2012 wrote: Early retirement on 20k pension...... WOW ..... Not in the real world I live in. Firemen should be one of the healthiest jobs around, retiring at 60 would not seem unreasonable, I can think of more difficult jobs in the building trade etc that people have to work into their 60's doing. stop moaning.
Im in the building trade and i have never been asked to do a fitness test and get sacked if I fail for getting old with no job and no pension. We have a bricky in his 60's who is far slower than the others who are younger which is natural but he isnt thrown on the scrap heap he has earned the respect of the younger lads . You too could have a 20k pension if you paid £4k of your wages a year for 30 years into a pension scheme so go for it. And Meccabingo1we have firefighters who work with us 2 days a week and I can guarentee they are subject to the same tax and NI rules as the rest of us and if you believe you fund their pensions your sadly mistaken as its funded by the current working firefighters as explained above. Im sick of this Tory government worsening the conditions of the working men and women and those of you who are attacking people for standing up for what you signed up for are making the governments job so much easier get a grip!!
Maths not your strong point then? £4000 X 30 years gives £120,000. Say the pension matures at 3% per annum would give a total pension pot of about £190k or 9.5 years at £20k a year (I've not even factored in the lump sum that most take)

How can you possibly think that you have paid for a £20k a year pension?
[quote][p][bold]Squaaanky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ballboy2012[/bold] wrote: Early retirement on 20k pension...... WOW ..... Not in the real world I live in. Firemen should be one of the healthiest jobs around, retiring at 60 would not seem unreasonable, I can think of more difficult jobs in the building trade etc that people have to work into their 60's doing. stop moaning.[/p][/quote]Im in the building trade and i have never been asked to do a fitness test and get sacked if I fail for getting old with no job and no pension. We have a bricky in his 60's who is far slower than the others who are younger which is natural but he isnt thrown on the scrap heap he has earned the respect of the younger lads . You too could have a 20k pension if you paid £4k of your wages a year for 30 years into a pension scheme so go for it. And Meccabingo1we have firefighters who work with us 2 days a week and I can guarentee they are subject to the same tax and NI rules as the rest of us and if you believe you fund their pensions your sadly mistaken as its funded by the current working firefighters as explained above. Im sick of this Tory government worsening the conditions of the working men and women and those of you who are attacking people for standing up for what you signed up for are making the governments job so much easier get a grip!![/p][/quote]Maths not your strong point then? £4000 X 30 years gives £120,000. Say the pension matures at 3% per annum would give a total pension pot of about £190k or 9.5 years at £20k a year (I've not even factored in the lump sum that most take) How can you possibly think that you have paid for a £20k a year pension? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -14

3:10pm Thu 19 Jun 14

MarkPullen says...

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.
I know 3

all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS!

and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!

Get real, and stop acting like children.

Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.
So you are happy to criticise Firefighters using legal means to improve their contracts and yet openly admit to being aware of three that break the law.

Have you reported these three?

Prove you have evidence of firefighters not declaring by naming the three individuals on here ..... unless you're either too frightened (and therefore gobby) or they are imaginary ones.
[quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.[/p][/quote]I know 3 all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS! and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Get real, and stop acting like children. Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.[/p][/quote]So you are happy to criticise Firefighters using legal means to improve their contracts and yet openly admit to being aware of three that break the law. Have you reported these three? Prove you have evidence of firefighters not declaring by naming the three individuals on here ..... unless you're either too frightened (and therefore gobby) or they are imaginary ones. MarkPullen
  • Score: 5

3:21pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Farsley Bantam says...

MarkPullen wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.
I know 3 all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS! and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Get real, and stop acting like children. Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.
So you are happy to criticise Firefighters using legal means to improve their contracts and yet openly admit to being aware of three that break the law. Have you reported these three? Prove you have evidence of firefighters not declaring by naming the three individuals on here ..... unless you're either too frightened (and therefore gobby) or they are imaginary ones.
He's not going to dob his mates in is he?
[quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.[/p][/quote]I know 3 all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS! and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Get real, and stop acting like children. Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.[/p][/quote]So you are happy to criticise Firefighters using legal means to improve their contracts and yet openly admit to being aware of three that break the law. Have you reported these three? Prove you have evidence of firefighters not declaring by naming the three individuals on here ..... unless you're either too frightened (and therefore gobby) or they are imaginary ones.[/p][/quote]He's not going to dob his mates in is he? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 1

3:27pm Thu 19 Jun 14

MarkPullen says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.
I know 3 all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS! and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Get real, and stop acting like children. Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.
So you are happy to criticise Firefighters using legal means to improve their contracts and yet openly admit to being aware of three that break the law. Have you reported these three? Prove you have evidence of firefighters not declaring by naming the three individuals on here ..... unless you're either too frightened (and therefore gobby) or they are imaginary ones.
He's not going to dob his mates in is he?
Then if he's happy to condone the alleged illegal earnings of mates he maybe should get down off his high horse when others are trying to improve their own income/conditions through this legal method.

Too often I read people spouting their drivel - amateur keyboard warriors - who couldn't cope facing the real world.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.[/p][/quote]I know 3 all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS! and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Get real, and stop acting like children. Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.[/p][/quote]So you are happy to criticise Firefighters using legal means to improve their contracts and yet openly admit to being aware of three that break the law. Have you reported these three? Prove you have evidence of firefighters not declaring by naming the three individuals on here ..... unless you're either too frightened (and therefore gobby) or they are imaginary ones.[/p][/quote]He's not going to dob his mates in is he?[/p][/quote]Then if he's happy to condone the alleged illegal earnings of mates he maybe should get down off his high horse when others are trying to improve their own income/conditions through this legal method. Too often I read people spouting their drivel - amateur keyboard warriors - who couldn't cope facing the real world. MarkPullen
  • Score: 12

3:31pm Thu 19 Jun 14

jaded by numpties says...

Once again Dave Williams (or is it Sarah Covell) has shown his true colours. last week according to Dave WYFRS had too many fire engines on to protect public...what Mr FBU? This week he moans about bedding!!
When will the grass root FBU members demand that Williams et al are chucked out and replaced by intelligent Fire fighters (of which there are many) to speak on their behalf in a sensible meaningful way.
The fact is Dave your members are crying out to be consulted and not being dragged out on a political strike. You and your cronies turned down a good offer and the Fire fighters are now being ripped apart.
You have highlighted just how quiet FRS now are and the Govt will make hay.
To those keen to latch onto the pension debate/ age argument. Do you honestly wish to see a crew of 60 year olds climbing ladders to rescue your children from a 2nd storey window at 3am?
Trouble is Dave, due to your petty snipes at people trying to look after the public you have lost your argument and therefore the war...go now before you do more damage!
Once again Dave Williams (or is it Sarah Covell) has shown his true colours. last week according to Dave WYFRS had too many fire engines on to protect public...what Mr FBU? This week he moans about bedding!! When will the grass root FBU members demand that Williams et al are chucked out and replaced by intelligent Fire fighters (of which there are many) to speak on their behalf in a sensible meaningful way. The fact is Dave your members are crying out to be consulted and not being dragged out on a political strike. You and your cronies turned down a good offer and the Fire fighters are now being ripped apart. You have highlighted just how quiet FRS now are and the Govt will make hay. To those keen to latch onto the pension debate/ age argument. Do you honestly wish to see a crew of 60 year olds climbing ladders to rescue your children from a 2nd storey window at 3am? Trouble is Dave, due to your petty snipes at people trying to look after the public you have lost your argument and therefore the war...go now before you do more damage! jaded by numpties
  • Score: -2

3:46pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Farsley Bantam says...

MarkPullen wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.
I know 3 all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS! and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Get real, and stop acting like children. Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.
So you are happy to criticise Firefighters using legal means to improve their contracts and yet openly admit to being aware of three that break the law. Have you reported these three? Prove you have evidence of firefighters not declaring by naming the three individuals on here ..... unless you're either too frightened (and therefore gobby) or they are imaginary ones.
He's not going to dob his mates in is he?
Then if he's happy to condone the alleged illegal earnings of mates he maybe should get down off his high horse when others are trying to improve their own income/conditions through this legal method. Too often I read people spouting their drivel - amateur keyboard warriors - who couldn't cope facing the real world.
The tax issue he raised is irrelevant in this debate. Undoubtably there will be some firefighters doing cash in hand jobs but he is just using this as a stick to beat all of them with which is neither fair or correct.
This does not detract from the fact that firefighters receive large, gernerous pensions that are unsustainable in their current form. The changes don't go far enough in my opinion as these large pensions are being heavily and unsustainably subsidised by the government (private sector workers who could never hope to receive such a pension).
I don't blame the firefighters for wanting to keep these pensions - who wouldn't want one! - but I'm yet to see a convincing argument that they should continue in their current form. I don't suppose I will either.
[quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.[/p][/quote]I know 3 all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS! and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Get real, and stop acting like children. Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.[/p][/quote]So you are happy to criticise Firefighters using legal means to improve their contracts and yet openly admit to being aware of three that break the law. Have you reported these three? Prove you have evidence of firefighters not declaring by naming the three individuals on here ..... unless you're either too frightened (and therefore gobby) or they are imaginary ones.[/p][/quote]He's not going to dob his mates in is he?[/p][/quote]Then if he's happy to condone the alleged illegal earnings of mates he maybe should get down off his high horse when others are trying to improve their own income/conditions through this legal method. Too often I read people spouting their drivel - amateur keyboard warriors - who couldn't cope facing the real world.[/p][/quote]The tax issue he raised is irrelevant in this debate. Undoubtably there will be some firefighters doing cash in hand jobs but he is just using this as a stick to beat all of them with which is neither fair or correct. This does not detract from the fact that firefighters receive large, gernerous pensions that are unsustainable in their current form. The changes don't go far enough in my opinion as these large pensions are being heavily and unsustainably subsidised by the government (private sector workers who could never hope to receive such a pension). I don't blame the firefighters for wanting to keep these pensions - who wouldn't want one! - but I'm yet to see a convincing argument that they should continue in their current form. I don't suppose I will either. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -3

3:46pm Thu 19 Jun 14

allinittogether says...

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.
I know 3

all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS!

and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



!!!!!!!!

Get real, and stop acting like children.

Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.
You're obviously not happy with your lot in life so what are you doing about it?
Firefighters are having their pensions radically altered for the worse and are standing up for themselves, that you perceive they are already better off than you and are jealous does not alter that fact.
If only you knew!

Most public sectors pensions are STILL NOT fully funded even at 12%, so its the like of me and millions of others that work in the private sector that make up the massive short fall. Only local government pensions are fully funded.

So it nots a case of been jealous, but only wanting a fair deal for everyone!

If I had my way I would make fire figthers a part time job, as in North Yorkshire.
So you're happy with your lot but just want other people to roll over when their rights are being threatened.
If you truly want a fair deal for everyone and you perceive public sector pensions to be superior why aren't you agitating for private pensions to be improved? Raise standards instead of dumb down.
[quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.[/p][/quote]I know 3 all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS! and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Get real, and stop acting like children. Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.[/p][/quote]You're obviously not happy with your lot in life so what are you doing about it? Firefighters are having their pensions radically altered for the worse and are standing up for themselves, that you perceive they are already better off than you and are jealous does not alter that fact.[/p][/quote]If only you knew! Most public sectors pensions are STILL NOT fully funded even at 12%, so its the like of me and millions of others that work in the private sector that make up the massive short fall. Only local government pensions are fully funded. So it nots a case of been jealous, but only wanting a fair deal for everyone! If I had my way I would make fire figthers a part time job, as in North Yorkshire.[/p][/quote]So you're happy with your lot but just want other people to roll over when their rights are being threatened. If you truly want a fair deal for everyone and you perceive public sector pensions to be superior why aren't you agitating for private pensions to be improved? Raise standards instead of dumb down. allinittogether
  • Score: 11

4:59pm Thu 19 Jun 14

wobbley-bob says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Thank god for the caption on the photo above. I'd have been lost without it.
Wait 'till they do a Police story...... Will they show a picture of a Bobby's Helmet, I wonder?
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: Thank god for the caption on the photo above. I'd have been lost without it.[/p][/quote]Wait 'till they do a Police story...... Will they show a picture of a Bobby's Helmet, I wonder? wobbley-bob
  • Score: 5

5:27pm Thu 19 Jun 14

linebacker2 says...

allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.
I know 3

all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS!

and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




!!!!!!!!

Get real, and stop acting like children.

Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.
You're obviously not happy with your lot in life so what are you doing about it?
Firefighters are having their pensions radically altered for the worse and are standing up for themselves, that you perceive they are already better off than you and are jealous does not alter that fact.
If only you knew!

Most public sectors pensions are STILL NOT fully funded even at 12%, so its the like of me and millions of others that work in the private sector that make up the massive short fall. Only local government pensions are fully funded.

So it nots a case of been jealous, but only wanting a fair deal for everyone!

If I had my way I would make fire figthers a part time job, as in North Yorkshire.
So you're happy with your lot but just want other people to roll over when their rights are being threatened.
If you truly want a fair deal for everyone and you perceive public sector pensions to be superior why aren't you agitating for private pensions to be improved? Raise standards instead of dumb down.
Public sector staff don't "roll over" as you put it because they know their employers are soft.

Would of course be a different story if, as in the case of the private sector their jobs could be offshored/outsourced at the click of a mouse..
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]I'm not a firefighter I just recognise opinion disguised as fact so I repeat; What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs? Simple question. And unless you are a tax inspector with actual bona fide evidence then your opinion is similarly flawed.[/p][/quote]I know 3 all 3 pay no tax on OTHER EARNINGS! and all 3 can retire in mid 50's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Get real, and stop acting like children. Us that fund your pensions and are having to work till late 60's think your taking the pis*.[/p][/quote]You're obviously not happy with your lot in life so what are you doing about it? Firefighters are having their pensions radically altered for the worse and are standing up for themselves, that you perceive they are already better off than you and are jealous does not alter that fact.[/p][/quote]If only you knew! Most public sectors pensions are STILL NOT fully funded even at 12%, so its the like of me and millions of others that work in the private sector that make up the massive short fall. Only local government pensions are fully funded. So it nots a case of been jealous, but only wanting a fair deal for everyone! If I had my way I would make fire figthers a part time job, as in North Yorkshire.[/p][/quote]So you're happy with your lot but just want other people to roll over when their rights are being threatened. If you truly want a fair deal for everyone and you perceive public sector pensions to be superior why aren't you agitating for private pensions to be improved? Raise standards instead of dumb down.[/p][/quote]Public sector staff don't "roll over" as you put it because they know their employers are soft. Would of course be a different story if, as in the case of the private sector their jobs could be offshored/outsourced at the click of a mouse.. linebacker2
  • Score: -3

5:33pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Albion. says...

wobbley-bob wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Thank god for the caption on the photo above. I'd have been lost without it.
Wait 'till they do a Police story...... Will they show a picture of a Bobby's Helmet, I wonder?
No! Mr Green has nothing to do with the Police.
[quote][p][bold]wobbley-bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: Thank god for the caption on the photo above. I'd have been lost without it.[/p][/quote]Wait 'till they do a Police story...... Will they show a picture of a Bobby's Helmet, I wonder?[/p][/quote]No! Mr Green has nothing to do with the Police. Albion.
  • Score: 3

6:01pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Chester copperpot says...

The pensions are not continuing in the same form. The pensions dispute is not as straight forward as that. The dispute is made up of several issues. First the people who signed up to a 30 year career and have paid into a pension scheme accordingly. They are now being told they have to pay in more, for longer and to get less out. Try altering the scenario to you paying your mortgage off, then as you approach the last few years of the CONTRACT that you have to make the payments for a further 18 years not 8 as you'd thought and planned around, your payments were going to increase every month and, once you have finished paying, it's not worth anywhere near what you've paid for. Would you just say "Oh well that's how it is..." Probably not.
The pension scheme in the fire service changed in 2006. It became a 40 year career with a retirement age of 60. The people in this pension scheme have faced an increase in contributions and they are still rising. And the Pension scheme is due to change again in 2015. So the people who joined a scheme only 8 years old are already having their terms altered! Doesn't bode well for the future does it?!
What people seem to forget is that the money people pay into this and other pension schemes is 'deferred pay'. It's money they have already earned and put aside to utilise at the end of their career.
Other issues in the dispute include the fact that if a firefighter cannot achieve the expected fitness level at 60 (the same level expected at 20yrs old when they joined!), and say, have to retire at 57, they stand to lose nearly half their pension. And can't claim it until they are 68. But you'd know all this before making your out of date comments.
Why is it always a race to the bottom in this country. "I haven't got that so they shouldnt!"
The pensions are not continuing in the same form. The pensions dispute is not as straight forward as that. The dispute is made up of several issues. First the people who signed up to a 30 year career and have paid into a pension scheme accordingly. They are now being told they have to pay in more, for longer and to get less out. Try altering the scenario to you paying your mortgage off, then as you approach the last few years of the CONTRACT that you have to make the payments for a further 18 years not 8 as you'd thought and planned around, your payments were going to increase every month and, once you have finished paying, it's not worth anywhere near what you've paid for. Would you just say "Oh well that's how it is..." Probably not. The pension scheme in the fire service changed in 2006. It became a 40 year career with a retirement age of 60. The people in this pension scheme have faced an increase in contributions and they are still rising. And the Pension scheme is due to change again in 2015. So the people who joined a scheme only 8 years old are already having their terms altered! Doesn't bode well for the future does it?! What people seem to forget is that the money people pay into this and other pension schemes is 'deferred pay'. It's money they have already earned and put aside to utilise at the end of their career. Other issues in the dispute include the fact that if a firefighter cannot achieve the expected fitness level at 60 (the same level expected at 20yrs old when they joined!), and say, have to retire at 57, they stand to lose nearly half their pension. And can't claim it until they are 68. But you'd know all this before making your out of date comments. Why is it always a race to the bottom in this country. "I haven't got that so they shouldnt!" Chester copperpot
  • Score: 23

7:33pm Thu 19 Jun 14

The Local Observer says...

Chester copperpot wrote:
The pensions are not continuing in the same form. The pensions dispute is not as straight forward as that. The dispute is made up of several issues. First the people who signed up to a 30 year career and have paid into a pension scheme accordingly. They are now being told they have to pay in more, for longer and to get less out. Try altering the scenario to you paying your mortgage off, then as you approach the last few years of the CONTRACT that you have to make the payments for a further 18 years not 8 as you'd thought and planned around, your payments were going to increase every month and, once you have finished paying, it's not worth anywhere near what you've paid for. Would you just say "Oh well that's how it is..." Probably not.
The pension scheme in the fire service changed in 2006. It became a 40 year career with a retirement age of 60. The people in this pension scheme have faced an increase in contributions and they are still rising. And the Pension scheme is due to change again in 2015. So the people who joined a scheme only 8 years old are already having their terms altered! Doesn't bode well for the future does it?!
What people seem to forget is that the money people pay into this and other pension schemes is 'deferred pay'. It's money they have already earned and put aside to utilise at the end of their career.
Other issues in the dispute include the fact that if a firefighter cannot achieve the expected fitness level at 60 (the same level expected at 20yrs old when they joined!), and say, have to retire at 57, they stand to lose nearly half their pension. And can't claim it until they are 68. But you'd know all this before making your out of date comments.
Why is it always a race to the bottom in this country. "I haven't got that so they shouldnt!"
At last, someone on here that states facts !! Well said Chester copperpot.
[quote][p][bold]Chester copperpot[/bold] wrote: The pensions are not continuing in the same form. The pensions dispute is not as straight forward as that. The dispute is made up of several issues. First the people who signed up to a 30 year career and have paid into a pension scheme accordingly. They are now being told they have to pay in more, for longer and to get less out. Try altering the scenario to you paying your mortgage off, then as you approach the last few years of the CONTRACT that you have to make the payments for a further 18 years not 8 as you'd thought and planned around, your payments were going to increase every month and, once you have finished paying, it's not worth anywhere near what you've paid for. Would you just say "Oh well that's how it is..." Probably not. The pension scheme in the fire service changed in 2006. It became a 40 year career with a retirement age of 60. The people in this pension scheme have faced an increase in contributions and they are still rising. And the Pension scheme is due to change again in 2015. So the people who joined a scheme only 8 years old are already having their terms altered! Doesn't bode well for the future does it?! What people seem to forget is that the money people pay into this and other pension schemes is 'deferred pay'. It's money they have already earned and put aside to utilise at the end of their career. Other issues in the dispute include the fact that if a firefighter cannot achieve the expected fitness level at 60 (the same level expected at 20yrs old when they joined!), and say, have to retire at 57, they stand to lose nearly half their pension. And can't claim it until they are 68. But you'd know all this before making your out of date comments. Why is it always a race to the bottom in this country. "I haven't got that so they shouldnt!"[/p][/quote]At last, someone on here that states facts !! Well said Chester copperpot. The Local Observer
  • Score: 19

9:07pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Vinbub says...

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
Firstly firefighters do pay tax on any job they do and I do believe its a free country, I'm sure that not just firefighters have more than one job and let's face it at least they work.... Secondly I think you'll find the majority of firefighters are happy in their jobs and obviously love doing it as they put their lives at risk each time they go to an incident...... Thirdly they pay 15% of their wage into the pension scheme, which by the way the government is trying very hard to take half of what they have paid back! oh and also make them work till they are 60, can't wait to see a 60 year old giving a firefighters lift to a rather large person or any person in fact.....the firefighters pension has always been in the black therefore, what we should be asking is, if firefighters fund their own pension scheme paying the pensions of already retired firefighters,where have the millions of pounds from the first thirty years gone! Maybe we Should be asking local government this?
I would like to end by saying that the division that has been created within the work force could have been minimised if chief fire officer Pilling had spoken out in support of his firefighters as other CFO's have done across the UK. It's a shame he can't remember his time as a firefighter.
An interesting statement was made by certain senior member of the fire service whilst on the picket line at Wakefield, "to be seen supporting the firefighters cause would be future career suicide for the CFO"
Yes I'm a firefighters wife who fully supports the cause and is very proud of the job he does and lives he saves !
[quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]Firstly firefighters do pay tax on any job they do and I do believe its a free country, I'm sure that not just firefighters have more than one job and let's face it at least they work.... Secondly I think you'll find the majority of firefighters are happy in their jobs and obviously love doing it as they put their lives at risk each time they go to an incident...... Thirdly they pay 15% of their wage into the pension scheme, which by the way the government is trying very hard to take half of what they have paid back! oh and also make them work till they are 60, can't wait to see a 60 year old giving a firefighters lift to a rather large person or any person in fact.....the firefighters pension has always been in the black therefore, what we should be asking is, if firefighters fund their own pension scheme paying the pensions of already retired firefighters,where have the millions of pounds from the first thirty years gone! Maybe we Should be asking local government this? I would like to end by saying that the division that has been created within the work force could have been minimised if chief fire officer Pilling had spoken out in support of his firefighters as other CFO's have done across the UK. It's a shame he can't remember his time as a firefighter. An interesting statement was made by certain senior member of the fire service whilst on the picket line at Wakefield, "to be seen supporting the firefighters cause would be future career suicide for the CFO" Yes I'm a firefighters wife who fully supports the cause and is very proud of the job he does and lives he saves ! Vinbub
  • Score: 14

9:16pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Bradfordian1 says...

Oh my God!
It takes over 12 hours of complete and utter crap on here from people who hide behind their pseudo names who know absolutely nothing about what they are spouting off about and who are probably jealous to death that they failed with their application form or had six fingers on one hand or whatever else of an excuse that they didn't or couldn't or wasn't allowed to join the fire service so they have to have a go at people who are able to stand up for what they believe in and take the fight back to the government.
Read the previous entry by Chester Copperpot and take note you morons
Oh my God! It takes over 12 hours of complete and utter crap on here from people who hide behind their pseudo names who know absolutely nothing about what they are spouting off about and who are probably jealous to death that they failed with their application form or had six fingers on one hand or whatever else of an excuse that they didn't or couldn't or wasn't allowed to join the fire service so they have to have a go at people who are able to stand up for what they believe in and take the fight back to the government. Read the previous entry by Chester Copperpot and take note you morons Bradfordian1
  • Score: 13

11:18pm Thu 19 Jun 14

BabyDave says...

Unions . . . always moaning no matter which one it is.
Unions . . . always moaning no matter which one it is. BabyDave
  • Score: -1

11:19pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Chester copperpot says...

And as for the comments calling for the fire service to be privatised and making it a retained service, I feel you have no understanding of what you are saying.
The more services that are removed from government control, the more profit can be made from your taxes. The more profit that is made from your taxes, the more we can repay on the massive loans the banks shareholders took out for us (wasn't that nice of them). Guess who the suckers are in this system.
It's already started. It used to be the Fire and Rescue Service. The service has been dropped and it's all 'the organisation this', 'the organisation that'. Shall we go back to the days of paying for the service? Displaying a plaque outside your property and if you don't have one when the fire service arrive, they let the property burn?!
And the whole service being retained is an absolute joke. This does not work in areas of dense population, lots of commercial property etc. (ie Merseyside, South Yorkshire, dare I say London!) That is why you find countys/areas that are quite rural having a retained station. The worrying thing is how little people know about how often these fire engines are unavailable due to staffing issues. And also the delayed turn out. Wholetime firefighters are at work 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, if you need them. God forbid. Within a minute that fire engine can be on its way to you. With a retained duty system, you need to have the staff to put the engine 'on the run' who live within 5 minutes of station. On receipt of the call the firefighters are 'alerted' and make their way to station. Not to sound like an infomercial but...seconds, not minutes, make all the difference in a fire/RTC/water rescue etc.
And as for the comments calling for the fire service to be privatised and making it a retained service, I feel you have no understanding of what you are saying. The more services that are removed from government control, the more profit can be made from your taxes. The more profit that is made from your taxes, the more we can repay on the massive loans the banks shareholders took out for us (wasn't that nice of them). Guess who the suckers are in this system. It's already started. It used to be the Fire and Rescue Service. The service has been dropped and it's all 'the organisation this', 'the organisation that'. Shall we go back to the days of paying for the service? Displaying a plaque outside your property and if you don't have one when the fire service arrive, they let the property burn?! And the whole service being retained is an absolute joke. This does not work in areas of dense population, lots of commercial property etc. (ie Merseyside, South Yorkshire, dare I say London!) That is why you find countys/areas that are quite rural having a retained station. The worrying thing is how little people know about how often these fire engines are unavailable due to staffing issues. And also the delayed turn out. Wholetime firefighters are at work 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, if you need them. God forbid. Within a minute that fire engine can be on its way to you. With a retained duty system, you need to have the staff to put the engine 'on the run' who live within 5 minutes of station. On receipt of the call the firefighters are 'alerted' and make their way to station. Not to sound like an infomercial but...seconds, not minutes, make all the difference in a fire/RTC/water rescue etc. Chester copperpot
  • Score: 15

11:06pm Fri 20 Jun 14

freespeech says...

Looks to me that 60+ fire fighters have signed up to be able to post comments and score other peoples comments.. Basically, they have NO public support. SECOND JOBS! Yeah i would get a second job if I did nothing in my primary one.. very few call outs and sleeping night shifts..
Looks to me that 60+ fire fighters have signed up to be able to post comments and score other peoples comments.. Basically, they have NO public support. SECOND JOBS! Yeah i would get a second job if I did nothing in my primary one.. very few call outs and sleeping night shifts.. freespeech
  • Score: -3

11:11pm Fri 20 Jun 14

freespeech says...

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
Here here.. This is the general view of the public.. ignore the scores.. the fire fighters are voting on here to make it appear they have support.. If you dont like your job, move over to your second one, and let someone else do it that doesn't use the public's safety as a pawn in their futile nonsense demands..
[quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]Here here.. This is the general view of the public.. ignore the scores.. the fire fighters are voting on here to make it appear they have support.. If you dont like your job, move over to your second one, and let someone else do it that doesn't use the public's safety as a pawn in their futile nonsense demands.. freespeech
  • Score: -4

11:20pm Fri 20 Jun 14

freespeech says...

MarkPullen wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
Though I'm pretty sure you couldn't handle the job!
Pretty sure yo couldn't handle MY job sonny! I work for a living instead of sitting on my backside or sleeping or selling calendars... Firefighters are a total JOKE! No respect for you at all, you should all hold your heads in shame.
[quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]Though I'm pretty sure you couldn't handle the job![/p][/quote]Pretty sure yo couldn't handle MY job sonny! I work for a living instead of sitting on my backside or sleeping or selling calendars... Firefighters are a total JOKE! No respect for you at all, you should all hold your heads in shame. freespeech
  • Score: -5

11:28pm Fri 20 Jun 14

freespeech says...

Vinbub wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
Firstly firefighters do pay tax on any job they do and I do believe its a free country, I'm sure that not just firefighters have more than one job and let's face it at least they work.... Secondly I think you'll find the majority of firefighters are happy in their jobs and obviously love doing it as they put their lives at risk each time they go to an incident...... Thirdly they pay 15% of their wage into the pension scheme, which by the way the government is trying very hard to take half of what they have paid back! oh and also make them work till they are 60, can't wait to see a 60 year old giving a firefighters lift to a rather large person or any person in fact.....the firefighters pension has always been in the black therefore, what we should be asking is, if firefighters fund their own pension scheme paying the pensions of already retired firefighters,where have the millions of pounds from the first thirty years gone! Maybe we Should be asking local government this?
I would like to end by saying that the division that has been created within the work force could have been minimised if chief fire officer Pilling had spoken out in support of his firefighters as other CFO's have done across the UK. It's a shame he can't remember his time as a firefighter.
An interesting statement was made by certain senior member of the fire service whilst on the picket line at Wakefield, "to be seen supporting the firefighters cause would be future career suicide for the CFO"
Yes I'm a firefighters wife who fully supports the cause and is very proud of the job he does and lives he saves !
They do not pay 15%.. All their wages and pension contributions are freely available on line.. Those that check them out see that the firefighters get a generous deal for the actual work they do..
[quote][p][bold]Vinbub[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]Firstly firefighters do pay tax on any job they do and I do believe its a free country, I'm sure that not just firefighters have more than one job and let's face it at least they work.... Secondly I think you'll find the majority of firefighters are happy in their jobs and obviously love doing it as they put their lives at risk each time they go to an incident...... Thirdly they pay 15% of their wage into the pension scheme, which by the way the government is trying very hard to take half of what they have paid back! oh and also make them work till they are 60, can't wait to see a 60 year old giving a firefighters lift to a rather large person or any person in fact.....the firefighters pension has always been in the black therefore, what we should be asking is, if firefighters fund their own pension scheme paying the pensions of already retired firefighters,where have the millions of pounds from the first thirty years gone! Maybe we Should be asking local government this? I would like to end by saying that the division that has been created within the work force could have been minimised if chief fire officer Pilling had spoken out in support of his firefighters as other CFO's have done across the UK. It's a shame he can't remember his time as a firefighter. An interesting statement was made by certain senior member of the fire service whilst on the picket line at Wakefield, "to be seen supporting the firefighters cause would be future career suicide for the CFO" Yes I'm a firefighters wife who fully supports the cause and is very proud of the job he does and lives he saves ![/p][/quote]They do not pay 15%.. All their wages and pension contributions are freely available on line.. Those that check them out see that the firefighters get a generous deal for the actual work they do.. freespeech
  • Score: -1

11:39pm Fri 20 Jun 14

freespeech says...

Firefighter - £28,766.00
Crew Manager - £31,892.00
Watch Manager - £35,664.00

Pretty decent wages I would say, and there is always the income from the second job!!!
Firefighter - £28,766.00 Crew Manager - £31,892.00 Watch Manager - £35,664.00 Pretty decent wages I would say, and there is always the income from the second job!!! freespeech
  • Score: -3

9:48am Sat 21 Jun 14

freespeech says...

freespeech wrote:
Firefighter - £28,766.00
Crew Manager - £31,892.00
Watch Manager - £35,664.00

Pretty decent wages I would say, and there is always the income from the second job!!!
And the average contribution is 13.2% not 15% as stated above. There is an opt out clause.. Where a member can contribute to a pension scheme outside the fire service.. like a private one most other folk have to go for. These scheme's are seldom adopted as they are not as attractive as those offered by the government.
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Firefighter - £28,766.00 Crew Manager - £31,892.00 Watch Manager - £35,664.00 Pretty decent wages I would say, and there is always the income from the second job!!![/p][/quote]And the average contribution is 13.2% not 15% as stated above. There is an opt out clause.. Where a member can contribute to a pension scheme outside the fire service.. like a private one most other folk have to go for. These scheme's are seldom adopted as they are not as attractive as those offered by the government. freespeech
  • Score: -2

12:58pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Chester copperpot says...

Pointless even trying to discuss it with blinkered people who refuse to see other people's view points.
Pointless even trying to discuss it with blinkered people who refuse to see other people's view points. Chester copperpot
  • Score: 4

3:53pm Sat 21 Jun 14

freespeech says...

Chester copperpot wrote:
Pointless even trying to discuss it with blinkered people who refuse to see other people's view points.
You mean, it's pointless trying to pull the wool over the eye's of those who don't really give a **** about the firefighters plight. Personally speaking I think they should all be retained, would save lots of money.. Run the same way as the RNLI perhaps!
[quote][p][bold]Chester copperpot[/bold] wrote: Pointless even trying to discuss it with blinkered people who refuse to see other people's view points.[/p][/quote]You mean, it's pointless trying to pull the wool over the eye's of those who don't really give a **** about the firefighters plight. Personally speaking I think they should all be retained, would save lots of money.. Run the same way as the RNLI perhaps! freespeech
  • Score: -5

6:05pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Chester copperpot says...

I've not tried to pull the wool over anyones eyes. Simply provide facts and more information from the firefighters point of view. I hope for everyones sake that the fire service never goes private or fully retained. Not everything can be run on a money saving/making basis.
I've not tried to pull the wool over anyones eyes. Simply provide facts and more information from the firefighters point of view. I hope for everyones sake that the fire service never goes private or fully retained. Not everything can be run on a money saving/making basis. Chester copperpot
  • Score: 7

6:16pm Sat 21 Jun 14

The Local Observer says...

Ohhhh dear Freespeech, if only you knew your facts then maybe your comments could be taken seriously.
Ohhhh dear Freespeech, if only you knew your facts then maybe your comments could be taken seriously. The Local Observer
  • Score: 5

8:32pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Bantam999 says...

Support your firefighters.
Support your firefighters. Bantam999
  • Score: 8

10:48pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Vinbub says...

freespeech wrote:
Firefighter - £28,766.00
Crew Manager - £31,892.00
Watch Manager - £35,664.00

Pretty decent wages I would say, and there is always the income from the second job!!!
Chief fire officer £148,000 a year
Dep fire chief £125,000
Now who's value for money ?
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Firefighter - £28,766.00 Crew Manager - £31,892.00 Watch Manager - £35,664.00 Pretty decent wages I would say, and there is always the income from the second job!!![/p][/quote]Chief fire officer £148,000 a year Dep fire chief £125,000 Now who's value for money ? Vinbub
  • Score: 2

10:48pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Vinbub says...

freespeech wrote:
Firefighter - £28,766.00
Crew Manager - £31,892.00
Watch Manager - £35,664.00

Pretty decent wages I would say, and there is always the income from the second job!!!
Chief fire officer £148,000 a year
Dep fire chief £125,000
Now who's value for money ?
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Firefighter - £28,766.00 Crew Manager - £31,892.00 Watch Manager - £35,664.00 Pretty decent wages I would say, and there is always the income from the second job!!![/p][/quote]Chief fire officer £148,000 a year Dep fire chief £125,000 Now who's value for money ? Vinbub
  • Score: 0

10:48pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Vinbub says...

freespeech wrote:
Firefighter - £28,766.00
Crew Manager - £31,892.00
Watch Manager - £35,664.00

Pretty decent wages I would say, and there is always the income from the second job!!!
Chief fire officer £148,000 a year
Dep fire chief £125,000
Now who's value for money ?
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: Firefighter - £28,766.00 Crew Manager - £31,892.00 Watch Manager - £35,664.00 Pretty decent wages I would say, and there is always the income from the second job!!![/p][/quote]Chief fire officer £148,000 a year Dep fire chief £125,000 Now who's value for money ? Vinbub
  • Score: 2

7:57am Mon 23 Jun 14

Chester copperpot says...

Press Officer £70,000.....
Press Officer £70,000..... Chester copperpot
  • Score: 2

8:23am Mon 23 Jun 14

MarkPullen says...

freespeech wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
MeccaBingo1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax.
This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..
What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?
Get Real!!!

You Fire Fighters are a complete joke.

Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years
Though I'm pretty sure you couldn't handle the job!
Pretty sure yo couldn't handle MY job sonny! I work for a living instead of sitting on my backside or sleeping or selling calendars... Firefighters are a total JOKE! No respect for you at all, you should all hold your heads in shame.
Spoken like a true prat!
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What has the Unions got to say about the Firemen doing part time jobs on their days off? Taking work from other workers, and at the same time avoiding tax. This has gone on for decades, and the Unions do and say nothing. Hypocrites..[/p][/quote]What evidence have you that firefighters don't pay tax on earnings from other jobs?[/p][/quote]Get Real!!! You Fire Fighters are a complete joke. Simple solution if your not happy in your fire fighting job LEAVE and get another job and join people living in the real world or just live on your pension and rely on the likes of me paying you for the next 30 years[/p][/quote]Though I'm pretty sure you couldn't handle the job![/p][/quote]Pretty sure yo couldn't handle MY job sonny! I work for a living instead of sitting on my backside or sleeping or selling calendars... Firefighters are a total JOKE! No respect for you at all, you should all hold your heads in shame.[/p][/quote]Spoken like a true prat! MarkPullen
  • Score: -1

8:24am Mon 23 Jun 14

MarkPullen says...

freespeech wrote:
Chester copperpot wrote:
Pointless even trying to discuss it with blinkered people who refuse to see other people's view points.
You mean, it's pointless trying to pull the wool over the eye's of those who don't really give a **** about the firefighters plight. Personally speaking I think they should all be retained, would save lots of money.. Run the same way as the RNLI perhaps!
Thanks for offering evidence .... that selected breading should be introduced.
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chester copperpot[/bold] wrote: Pointless even trying to discuss it with blinkered people who refuse to see other people's view points.[/p][/quote]You mean, it's pointless trying to pull the wool over the eye's of those who don't really give a **** about the firefighters plight. Personally speaking I think they should all be retained, would save lots of money.. Run the same way as the RNLI perhaps![/p][/quote]Thanks for offering evidence .... that selected breading should be introduced. MarkPullen
  • Score: -1

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