Firefighters' strikes land West Yorkshire brigade with £500,000 bill

Firefighters on strike at Fairweather Green fire station.

Firefighters on strike at Fairweather Green fire station.

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FIRE chiefs are facing an unexpected bill of £500,000 for coping with the long-running firefighters' pension dispute at the same time their spending power has also been slashed by millions of pounds.

And the cost will soar further as a result of the 24-hour strike tomorrow by Fire Brigades Union members nationally and another eight hour stoppage later in June.

West Yorkshire Fire and Rescue Service has already spent £634,000 on providing contingency firefighters when Fire Brigades Union staff have been on strike but savings on wages, pensions and national insurance has left a real cost of slightly more than £500,000.

That money is having to come out of the service's cash reserves, savings meant to cope with emergencies, with no prospect of recovering the money from the Department for Communities and Local Government which is locked in a dispute with the FBU over its decision to hike the cost of pension contributions for firefighters and to reduce benefits for those unable to work to 60 years old on health grounds.

The FBU is resisting the changes and the expectation is the dispute, which has already resulted in 13 strikes and fruitless negotiations, will become increasingly protracted.

If that happens, the pressure on the West Yorkshire service will increase as the bill for providing non-union fire cover goes up. The service has acknowledged that its reserves will not t last indefinitely.

Assistant Chief Fire Officer Dave Walton told the Telegraph & Argus: “The current trade dispute that exists between the Minister and the Fire Brigades Union has resulted in a number of periods of strike action.

“West Yorkshire Fire & Rescue Service, in common with all other fire and rescue services, has a statutory obligation to make plans that enable us to continue to deliver our service when faced with disruptive challenges.

“We have a well-developed and extensively tested contingency plan which provides for a much reduced, yet effective, level of emergency response cover.

"As this contingency plan is a departure from 'business as usual' it requires funding and resourcing outside of our day-to-day provision and this is covered by the brigade's contingency reserves.

“For the brigade this is currently an unavoidable, ongoing cost as we must be prepared to respond to industrial action within seven days? notice. As ever, we urge a resolution to be sought to this protracted dispute.”

However, the FBU in West Yorkshire has questioned the need for the level of contingency cover provided.

Branch secretary David Williams said the service had up to 31 fire engines available for strike cover, a far higher number pro-rata than most brigades, with a complication that most had crews who were not fully trained like professional firefighters.

"It is expensive providing resilience but one thing they could do to try to alleviate the cost would be to reduce the amount of contingency cover," Mr Williams said.

"There are greater risks from having fewer engines but if money is getting tight, that may be one way of reducing costs."

However, the service was recruiting another 12 community response fire officers, he said.

Tomorrow's strike is the first 24 hour stoppage since the dispute began and FBU members are also taking action short of striking between the two strike dates. Mr Williams said FBU trainers had asked to be removed from instructing those who would be providing cover during strike periods. However, they had been told by WYFRS management that they most work as normal, he said.

The strike is an additional financial burden for the service, which has had its Government funding cut for several years, including a reduction of almost £4m this year.

The need to make further savings is expected to go on in future years, too. The DCLG regards industrial action as being in the same category as extreme weather, something brigades must tackle without assistance.

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7:32am Wed 11 Jun 14

Bantam999 says...

Why doesn't the T&A write a report on why the Firefighters are having to strike and how much it is going to cost them? The level of cover provided during the strike is a joke, be safe out there people.
I urge everyone to get the facts before judging the Firefighters.
Support your Firefighters. Thanks.
Why doesn't the T&A write a report on why the Firefighters are having to strike and how much it is going to cost them? The level of cover provided during the strike is a joke, be safe out there people. I urge everyone to get the facts before judging the Firefighters. Support your Firefighters. Thanks. Bantam999
  • Score: -18

8:18am Wed 11 Jun 14

bd7 helper says...

Who to blame
Who to blame bd7 helper
  • Score: 20

8:34am Wed 11 Jun 14

BCFC1911 says...

Good

Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs.

As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strike
Good Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs. As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strike BCFC1911
  • Score: 48

8:39am Wed 11 Jun 14

JAtkinson says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
Good

Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs.

As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strike
Maybe we should treat people fairly and equitably, listen to their concerns and not make them unduly suffer for the failings of others, thus removing the need to strike.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Good Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs. As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strike[/p][/quote]Maybe we should treat people fairly and equitably, listen to their concerns and not make them unduly suffer for the failings of others, thus removing the need to strike. JAtkinson
  • Score: -29

8:44am Wed 11 Jun 14

BCFC1911 says...

JAtkinson wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Good

Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs.

As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strike
Maybe we should treat people fairly and equitably, listen to their concerns and not make them unduly suffer for the failings of others, thus removing the need to strike.
Define "unfair" please.

My brother is a fire fighter and is totally against any strikes as he is very very happy with the pay and conditions the fire service offer

Please explain what aspect they are in dispute about you agree with
[quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Good Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs. As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strike[/p][/quote]Maybe we should treat people fairly and equitably, listen to their concerns and not make them unduly suffer for the failings of others, thus removing the need to strike.[/p][/quote]Define "unfair" please. My brother is a fire fighter and is totally against any strikes as he is very very happy with the pay and conditions the fire service offer Please explain what aspect they are in dispute about you agree with BCFC1911
  • Score: 35

9:13am Wed 11 Jun 14

freespeech says...

A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.
A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case. freespeech
  • Score: 14

9:15am Wed 11 Jun 14

Broadswordcalling says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
JAtkinson wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Good

Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs.

As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strikeMaybe we should treat people fairly and equitably, listen to their concerns and not make them unduly suffer for the failings of others, thus removing the need to strike.Define "unfairDoubt you have a Firefighter brother if you quote him as being "very very happy" to pay more into his pension(continual increases in contributions), to work longer for it (to an age that is extremely unrealistic and dangerous), to receive far less pension than he originally signed up for.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Good Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs. As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strike[/p][/quote]Maybe we should treat people fairly and equitably, listen to their concerns and not make them unduly suffer for the failings of others, thus removing the need to strike.[/p][/quote]Define "unfairDoubt you have a Firefighter brother if you quote him as being "very very happy" to pay more into his pension(continual increases in contributions), to work longer for it (to an age that is extremely unrealistic and dangerous), to receive far less pension than he originally signed up for. Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -10

9:25am Wed 11 Jun 14

BCFC1911 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
JAtkinson wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Good

Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs.

As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strikeMaybe we should treat people fairly and equitably, listen to their concerns and not make them unduly suffer for the failings of others, thus removing the need to strike.Define "unfairDoubt you have a Firefighter brother if you quote him as being "very very happy" to pay more into his pension(continual increases in contributions), to work longer for it (to an age that is extremely unrealistic and dangerous), to receive far less pension than he originally signed up for.For gods sake things change sometimes.

Terms of employment across ALL jobs change through the life cycle of that role. That's just plain economics

Yes the firefighters could have the same terms for benefits such as pensions etc as they did say in the 70's but would they want the same pay as the in the 70's. the firefighters salary has increased on average over the past 10 years by 5% a year. Way above inflation. This is just plain and simple greed.

So yes my brother is extremely happy with his job and conditions in the fire service that he loves. Like I said they are also freely available to carry out other duties as well such as my brother

End of the day as the previous poster stated we all pay for this service through our taxes so they are employees of the public and as such we expect a fire service to be available 24/7 not just when they are happy with their pensions. If they arent happy they are free to leave and people are queuing up to join
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Good Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs. As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strike[/p][/quote]Maybe we should treat people fairly and equitably, listen to their concerns and not make them unduly suffer for the failings of others, thus removing the need to strike.[/p][/quote]Define "unfairDoubt you have a Firefighter brother if you quote him as being "very very happy" to pay more into his pension(continual increases in contributions), to work longer for it (to an age that is extremely unrealistic and dangerous), to receive far less pension than he originally signed up for.[/p][/quote]For gods sake things change sometimes. Terms of employment across ALL jobs change through the life cycle of that role. That's just plain economics Yes the firefighters could have the same terms for benefits such as pensions etc as they did say in the 70's but would they want the same pay as the in the 70's. the firefighters salary has increased on average over the past 10 years by 5% a year. Way above inflation. This is just plain and simple greed. So yes my brother is extremely happy with his job and conditions in the fire service that he loves. Like I said they are also freely available to carry out other duties as well such as my brother End of the day as the previous poster stated we all pay for this service through our taxes so they are employees of the public and as such we expect a fire service to be available 24/7 not just when they are happy with their pensions. If they arent happy they are free to leave and people are queuing up to join BCFC1911
  • Score: 21

9:32am Wed 11 Jun 14

Grumpygirl says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
Good

Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs.

As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strike
Sometimes greedy employers need to be made to see sense. A no-strike policy would be fine if you had an honest and responsible government and not one intent on screwing the working class into the ground.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Good Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs. As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strike[/p][/quote]Sometimes greedy employers need to be made to see sense. A no-strike policy would be fine if you had an honest and responsible government and not one intent on screwing the working class into the ground. Grumpygirl
  • Score: -33

9:50am Wed 11 Jun 14

Broadswordcalling says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
JAtkinson wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Good

Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs.

As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strikeMaybe we should treat people fairly and equitably, listen to their concerns and not make them unduly suffer for the failings of others, thus removing the need to strike.Define "unfairDoubt you have a Firefighter brother if you quote him as being "very very happy" to pay more into his pension(continual increases in contributions), to work longer for it (to an age that is extremely unrealistic and dangerous), to receive far less pension than he originally signed up for.For gods sake things change sometimes.

Terms of employment across ALL jobs change through the life cycle of that role. That's just plain economics

Yes the firefighters could have the same terms for benefits such as pensions etc as they did say in the 70's but would they want the same pay as the in the 70's. the firefighters salary has increased on average over the past 10 years by 5% a year. Way above inflation. This is just plain and simple greed.

So yes my brother is extremely happy with his job and conditions in the fire service that he loves. Like I said they are also freely available to carry out other duties as well such as my brother

End of the day as the previous poster stated we all pay for this service through our taxes so they are employees of the public and as such we expect a fire service to be available 24/7 not just when they are happy with their pensions. If they arent happy they are free to leave and people are queuing up to joinBCFC1911 wrote:
the firefighters salary has increased on average over the past 10 years by 5% a year. Way above inflation. This is just plain and simple greed.

Where have you got that figure from? Certainly not from any Firefighter, try using with real facts.

In real terms a Firefighter today receives less than 10 years ago due to pension increases and salary freezes they have had.

Now that is fact.
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Good Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs. As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strike[/p][/quote]Maybe we should treat people fairly and equitably, listen to their concerns and not make them unduly suffer for the failings of others, thus removing the need to strike.[/p][/quote]Define "unfairDoubt you have a Firefighter brother if you quote him as being "very very happy" to pay more into his pension(continual increases in contributions), to work longer for it (to an age that is extremely unrealistic and dangerous), to receive far less pension than he originally signed up for.[/p][/quote]For gods sake things change sometimes. Terms of employment across ALL jobs change through the life cycle of that role. That's just plain economics Yes the firefighters could have the same terms for benefits such as pensions etc as they did say in the 70's but would they want the same pay as the in the 70's. the firefighters salary has increased on average over the past 10 years by 5% a year. Way above inflation. This is just plain and simple greed. So yes my brother is extremely happy with his job and conditions in the fire service that he loves. Like I said they are also freely available to carry out other duties as well such as my brother End of the day as the previous poster stated we all pay for this service through our taxes so they are employees of the public and as such we expect a fire service to be available 24/7 not just when they are happy with their pensions. If they arent happy they are free to leave and people are queuing up to join[/p][/quote]BCFC1911 wrote: the firefighters salary has increased on average over the past 10 years by 5% a year. Way above inflation. This is just plain and simple greed. Where have you got that figure from? Certainly not from any Firefighter, try using with real facts. In real terms a Firefighter today receives less than 10 years ago due to pension increases and salary freezes they have had. Now that is fact. Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -18

9:51am Wed 11 Jun 14

Broadswordcalling says...

nBCFC1911 wrote:
the firefighters salary has increased on average over the past 10 years by 5% a year. Way above inflation. This is just plain and simple greed.

Where have you got that figure from? Certainly not from any Firefighter, try using with real facts.

In real terms a Firefighter today receives less than 10 years ago due to pension increases and salary freezes they have had.
nBCFC1911 wrote: the firefighters salary has increased on average over the past 10 years by 5% a year. Way above inflation. This is just plain and simple greed. Where have you got that figure from? Certainly not from any Firefighter, try using with real facts. In real terms a Firefighter today receives less than 10 years ago due to pension increases and salary freezes they have had. Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -17

10:51am Wed 11 Jun 14

Albion. says...

Maybe the unions should have to compensate the fire service?
Maybe the unions should have to compensate the fire service? Albion.
  • Score: 19

11:26am Wed 11 Jun 14

Mish29 says...

Freespeech - you refer to a portion of your rates going to pay for the fire service, yes this is correct and might I add this is excellent value for money. Car breakdown cover costs more,boiler cover and to have a current account with banks cost more per year nowadays, just bare that in mind !
You say a house maid ??? Lol this is outrageous haha I can assure you there's no house maids at any fire station in West Yorkshire ! Entertainment is paid for by the firefighters who contribute a certain amount per year to be able to watch tele during there lunch break and stand down times!
You mention greed ?? I don't understand your thoughts on this ! Firefighters currently contribute just short of 15% of there wage into their pension, averages about 350 pounds per 4 week ! So they contribute their fair share I reckon !!
So what they are fighting the government for is to stop them rising there contributions further aswell as adding 10 years additional service to there careers !! You know why ??? Because the government has over spent and used the money in the pension schemes to try dig us out of the this financial mess the country's in ! Who has to pay for it in the long run ? Us !!! Everybody out there! Please please go talk to the firefighters on the picket line they will tell you the truth. Don't listen to the media there run by the government and will tell you lies on lies to make you hate a fantastic front line emergency service !!!
Freespeech - you refer to a portion of your rates going to pay for the fire service, yes this is correct and might I add this is excellent value for money. Car breakdown cover costs more,boiler cover and to have a current account with banks cost more per year nowadays, just bare that in mind ! You say a house maid ??? Lol this is outrageous haha I can assure you there's no house maids at any fire station in West Yorkshire ! Entertainment is paid for by the firefighters who contribute a certain amount per year to be able to watch tele during there lunch break and stand down times! You mention greed ?? I don't understand your thoughts on this ! Firefighters currently contribute just short of 15% of there wage into their pension, averages about 350 pounds per 4 week ! So they contribute their fair share I reckon !! So what they are fighting the government for is to stop them rising there contributions further aswell as adding 10 years additional service to there careers !! You know why ??? Because the government has over spent and used the money in the pension schemes to try dig us out of the this financial mess the country's in ! Who has to pay for it in the long run ? Us !!! Everybody out there! Please please go talk to the firefighters on the picket line they will tell you the truth. Don't listen to the media there run by the government and will tell you lies on lies to make you hate a fantastic front line emergency service !!! Mish29
  • Score: -14

11:39am Wed 11 Jun 14

OLDLAD says...

Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.
Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it. OLDLAD
  • Score: 21

11:51am Wed 11 Jun 14

northern pig says...

freespeech wrote:
A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.
you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!!
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.[/p][/quote]you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!! northern pig
  • Score: -18

12:00pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Andy2010 says...

northern pig wrote:
freespeech wrote:
A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.
you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!!
And everytime Police attend a 999 call or the Ambulance service do not to mention the armed forces who literally risk their lives daily.

Funnily though you dont seem to see them moaning as much as the fire service or going on strike do you.

In fact the fire service has less of a chance of personal injury that all the other services combined.
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.[/p][/quote]you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!![/p][/quote]And everytime Police attend a 999 call or the Ambulance service do not to mention the armed forces who literally risk their lives daily. Funnily though you dont seem to see them moaning as much as the fire service or going on strike do you. In fact the fire service has less of a chance of personal injury that all the other services combined. Andy2010
  • Score: 29

1:37pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Andy2010 wrote:
northern pig wrote:
freespeech wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.
you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!!
And everytime Police attend a 999 call or the Ambulance service do not to mention the armed forces who literally risk their lives daily. Funnily though you dont seem to see them moaning as much as the fire service or going on strike do you. In fact the fire service has less of a chance of personal injury that all the other services combined.
Farmers, construction workers and people in manufacturing have far higher death and injury rates than the Fire Service.
The idea that firemen run out of burning buildings just before the building explodes is a Hollywood fantasy I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.[/p][/quote]you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!![/p][/quote]And everytime Police attend a 999 call or the Ambulance service do not to mention the armed forces who literally risk their lives daily. Funnily though you dont seem to see them moaning as much as the fire service or going on strike do you. In fact the fire service has less of a chance of personal injury that all the other services combined.[/p][/quote]Farmers, construction workers and people in manufacturing have far higher death and injury rates than the Fire Service. The idea that firemen run out of burning buildings just before the building explodes is a Hollywood fantasy I'm afraid. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 17

1:42pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Mish29 says...

OLDLAD wrote:
Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.
Old lad your wrong very wrong !!! How many 60 year old front line soldiers do you see ?????? None so shut up you d*** I have at least 5 friends vary in all different ranks and I can assure you they will not be any soldiers on the front line at 60 !!! For example a close friend will be retiring on a full pension at 38 and who doesn't contribute anything out of his wage into it (rightly so )That's the scheme the firefighters are trying to prevent being implemented !!!!! Get ya facts right before talking utter ribbish
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.[/p][/quote]Old lad your wrong very wrong !!! How many 60 year old front line soldiers do you see ?????? None so shut up you d*** I have at least 5 friends vary in all different ranks and I can assure you they will not be any soldiers on the front line at 60 !!! For example a close friend will be retiring on a full pension at 38 and who doesn't contribute anything out of his wage into it (rightly so )That's the scheme the firefighters are trying to prevent being implemented !!!!! Get ya facts right before talking utter ribbish Mish29
  • Score: -15

1:50pm Wed 11 Jun 14

freespeech says...

Mish29 wrote:
Freespeech - you refer to a portion of your rates going to pay for the fire service, yes this is correct and might I add this is excellent value for money. Car breakdown cover costs more,boiler cover and to have a current account with banks cost more per year nowadays, just bare that in mind !
You say a house maid ??? Lol this is outrageous haha I can assure you there's no house maids at any fire station in West Yorkshire ! Entertainment is paid for by the firefighters who contribute a certain amount per year to be able to watch tele during there lunch break and stand down times!
You mention greed ?? I don't understand your thoughts on this ! Firefighters currently contribute just short of 15% of there wage into their pension, averages about 350 pounds per 4 week ! So they contribute their fair share I reckon !!
So what they are fighting the government for is to stop them rising there contributions further aswell as adding 10 years additional service to there careers !! You know why ??? Because the government has over spent and used the money in the pension schemes to try dig us out of the this financial mess the country's in ! Who has to pay for it in the long run ? Us !!! Everybody out there! Please please go talk to the firefighters on the picket line they will tell you the truth. Don't listen to the media there run by the government and will tell you lies on lies to make you hate a fantastic front line emergency service !!!
I know one of your "house keepers" personally. Yes it's outrageous you still have someone who changes your beds and makes them up for you.
[quote][p][bold]Mish29[/bold] wrote: Freespeech - you refer to a portion of your rates going to pay for the fire service, yes this is correct and might I add this is excellent value for money. Car breakdown cover costs more,boiler cover and to have a current account with banks cost more per year nowadays, just bare that in mind ! You say a house maid ??? Lol this is outrageous haha I can assure you there's no house maids at any fire station in West Yorkshire ! Entertainment is paid for by the firefighters who contribute a certain amount per year to be able to watch tele during there lunch break and stand down times! You mention greed ?? I don't understand your thoughts on this ! Firefighters currently contribute just short of 15% of there wage into their pension, averages about 350 pounds per 4 week ! So they contribute their fair share I reckon !! So what they are fighting the government for is to stop them rising there contributions further aswell as adding 10 years additional service to there careers !! You know why ??? Because the government has over spent and used the money in the pension schemes to try dig us out of the this financial mess the country's in ! Who has to pay for it in the long run ? Us !!! Everybody out there! Please please go talk to the firefighters on the picket line they will tell you the truth. Don't listen to the media there run by the government and will tell you lies on lies to make you hate a fantastic front line emergency service !!![/p][/quote]I know one of your "house keepers" personally. Yes it's outrageous you still have someone who changes your beds and makes them up for you. freespeech
  • Score: 13

2:00pm Wed 11 Jun 14

freespeech says...

Andy2010 wrote:
northern pig wrote:
freespeech wrote:
A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.
you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!!
And everytime Police attend a 999 call or the Ambulance service do not to mention the armed forces who literally risk their lives daily.

Funnily though you dont seem to see them moaning as much as the fire service or going on strike do you.

In fact the fire service has less of a chance of personal injury that all the other services combined.
Where is NO solidarity between the Police and the Fire Service. It's outrageous that anyone should even compare the two. The police are continually attending incidents through out the day and night, seldom getting a break even to eat. The demands on policing are humongous. As for an emergency service having a right to strike, it is a disgrace, you should all be hanging your heads in same putting the public lives at risk to feather your own nest. As for our Armed Forces, Their pay should be increased, their pensions should be more attractive, and support for them on discharge should be better than what is currently offered. These are the real hero's.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.[/p][/quote]you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!![/p][/quote]And everytime Police attend a 999 call or the Ambulance service do not to mention the armed forces who literally risk their lives daily. Funnily though you dont seem to see them moaning as much as the fire service or going on strike do you. In fact the fire service has less of a chance of personal injury that all the other services combined.[/p][/quote]Where is NO solidarity between the Police and the Fire Service. It's outrageous that anyone should even compare the two. The police are continually attending incidents through out the day and night, seldom getting a break even to eat. The demands on policing are humongous. As for an emergency service having a right to strike, it is a disgrace, you should all be hanging your heads in same putting the public lives at risk to feather your own nest. As for our Armed Forces, Their pay should be increased, their pensions should be more attractive, and support for them on discharge should be better than what is currently offered. These are the real hero's. freespeech
  • Score: 16

2:06pm Wed 11 Jun 14

freespeech says...

northern pig wrote:
freespeech wrote:
A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.
you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!!
What a skip fire! Pass me a hosepipe.. Or the cat stuck up a tree... or the sale of fireman calendars for their charity.. Yeah real risks.. Not many massive fires these days are there! Certainly not enough to paint the picture every single fireman is some sort of action hero! Wake up, it's the 21st century.. Fire prevention is far better than the Victorian era!
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.[/p][/quote]you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!![/p][/quote]What a skip fire! Pass me a hosepipe.. Or the cat stuck up a tree... or the sale of fireman calendars for their charity.. Yeah real risks.. Not many massive fires these days are there! Certainly not enough to paint the picture every single fireman is some sort of action hero! Wake up, it's the 21st century.. Fire prevention is far better than the Victorian era! freespeech
  • Score: 21

2:09pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Mish29 wrote:
OLDLAD wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.
Old lad your wrong very wrong !!! How many 60 year old front line soldiers do you see ?????? None so shut up you d*** I have at least 5 friends vary in all different ranks and I can assure you they will not be any soldiers on the front line at 60 !!! For example a close friend will be retiring on a full pension at 38 and who doesn't contribute anything out of his wage into it (rightly so )That's the scheme the firefighters are trying to prevent being implemented !!!!! Get ya facts right before talking utter ribbish
Being a front line soldier is a million times more demanding than being a firefighter. The number of incidents that you have to attend is reducing all the time. Why is it unreasonable for a 60 year old to be light duties such as installing smoke alarms or doing fire safety inspections?
Just admit that the gravy train that you have been riding for so many years is coming to the end of the line. It was fun while it lasted but now it's time to join the rest of us in the real world.
[quote][p][bold]Mish29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.[/p][/quote]Old lad your wrong very wrong !!! How many 60 year old front line soldiers do you see ?????? None so shut up you d*** I have at least 5 friends vary in all different ranks and I can assure you they will not be any soldiers on the front line at 60 !!! For example a close friend will be retiring on a full pension at 38 and who doesn't contribute anything out of his wage into it (rightly so )That's the scheme the firefighters are trying to prevent being implemented !!!!! Get ya facts right before talking utter ribbish[/p][/quote]Being a front line soldier is a million times more demanding than being a firefighter. The number of incidents that you have to attend is reducing all the time. Why is it unreasonable for a 60 year old to be light duties such as installing smoke alarms or doing fire safety inspections? Just admit that the gravy train that you have been riding for so many years is coming to the end of the line. It was fun while it lasted but now it's time to join the rest of us in the real world. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 16

2:14pm Wed 11 Jun 14

freespeech says...

Mish29 wrote:
Freespeech - you refer to a portion of your rates going to pay for the fire service, yes this is correct and might I add this is excellent value for money. Car breakdown cover costs more,boiler cover and to have a current account with banks cost more per year nowadays, just bare that in mind !
You say a house maid ??? Lol this is outrageous haha I can assure you there's no house maids at any fire station in West Yorkshire ! Entertainment is paid for by the firefighters who contribute a certain amount per year to be able to watch tele during there lunch break and stand down times!
You mention greed ?? I don't understand your thoughts on this ! Firefighters currently contribute just short of 15% of there wage into their pension, averages about 350 pounds per 4 week ! So they contribute their fair share I reckon !!
So what they are fighting the government for is to stop them rising there contributions further aswell as adding 10 years additional service to there careers !! You know why ??? Because the government has over spent and used the money in the pension schemes to try dig us out of the this financial mess the country's in ! Who has to pay for it in the long run ? Us !!! Everybody out there! Please please go talk to the firefighters on the picket line they will tell you the truth. Don't listen to the media there run by the government and will tell you lies on lies to make you hate a fantastic front line emergency service !!!
Fire fighter current pension contributions published on there web site is :-

Up to £15,000 contribute 11%
£15,000 to £21,000 Contribution 11.9%
£21,000 to £30,000 Contribute 12.9%
£30,000 to £40,000 Contribute 13.2%
£40,000 to £50,000 Contribute 13.5%
£50,000 to £60,000 contribute 13.7%
£60,000 to £100,000 contribute 14.1%
£100,000 to £120,000 contribute 14.5%
More than £120,000 Contribute 15.0%

So Mish29.. What does the average fireman earn? You say just short of 15% contribution, Is that in the £100,000 to £120,000 bracket then?
[quote][p][bold]Mish29[/bold] wrote: Freespeech - you refer to a portion of your rates going to pay for the fire service, yes this is correct and might I add this is excellent value for money. Car breakdown cover costs more,boiler cover and to have a current account with banks cost more per year nowadays, just bare that in mind ! You say a house maid ??? Lol this is outrageous haha I can assure you there's no house maids at any fire station in West Yorkshire ! Entertainment is paid for by the firefighters who contribute a certain amount per year to be able to watch tele during there lunch break and stand down times! You mention greed ?? I don't understand your thoughts on this ! Firefighters currently contribute just short of 15% of there wage into their pension, averages about 350 pounds per 4 week ! So they contribute their fair share I reckon !! So what they are fighting the government for is to stop them rising there contributions further aswell as adding 10 years additional service to there careers !! You know why ??? Because the government has over spent and used the money in the pension schemes to try dig us out of the this financial mess the country's in ! Who has to pay for it in the long run ? Us !!! Everybody out there! Please please go talk to the firefighters on the picket line they will tell you the truth. Don't listen to the media there run by the government and will tell you lies on lies to make you hate a fantastic front line emergency service !!![/p][/quote]Fire fighter current pension contributions published on there web site is :- Up to £15,000 contribute 11% £15,000 to £21,000 Contribution 11.9% £21,000 to £30,000 Contribute 12.9% £30,000 to £40,000 Contribute 13.2% £40,000 to £50,000 Contribute 13.5% £50,000 to £60,000 contribute 13.7% £60,000 to £100,000 contribute 14.1% £100,000 to £120,000 contribute 14.5% More than £120,000 Contribute 15.0% So Mish29.. What does the average fireman earn? You say just short of 15% contribution, Is that in the £100,000 to £120,000 bracket then? freespeech
  • Score: 11

2:52pm Wed 11 Jun 14

freespeech says...

freespeech wrote:
Mish29 wrote:
Freespeech - you refer to a portion of your rates going to pay for the fire service, yes this is correct and might I add this is excellent value for money. Car breakdown cover costs more,boiler cover and to have a current account with banks cost more per year nowadays, just bare that in mind !
You say a house maid ??? Lol this is outrageous haha I can assure you there's no house maids at any fire station in West Yorkshire ! Entertainment is paid for by the firefighters who contribute a certain amount per year to be able to watch tele during there lunch break and stand down times!
You mention greed ?? I don't understand your thoughts on this ! Firefighters currently contribute just short of 15% of there wage into their pension, averages about 350 pounds per 4 week ! So they contribute their fair share I reckon !!
So what they are fighting the government for is to stop them rising there contributions further aswell as adding 10 years additional service to there careers !! You know why ??? Because the government has over spent and used the money in the pension schemes to try dig us out of the this financial mess the country's in ! Who has to pay for it in the long run ? Us !!! Everybody out there! Please please go talk to the firefighters on the picket line they will tell you the truth. Don't listen to the media there run by the government and will tell you lies on lies to make you hate a fantastic front line emergency service !!!
Fire fighter current pension contributions published on there web site is :-

Up to £15,000 contribute 11%
£15,000 to £21,000 Contribution 11.9%
£21,000 to £30,000 Contribute 12.9%
£30,000 to £40,000 Contribute 13.2%
£40,000 to £50,000 Contribute 13.5%
£50,000 to £60,000 contribute 13.7%
£60,000 to £100,000 contribute 14.1%
£100,000 to £120,000 contribute 14.5%
More than £120,000 Contribute 15.0%

So Mish29.. What does the average fireman earn? You say just short of 15% contribution, Is that in the £100,000 to £120,000 bracket then?
Plus, with the figures you have give, £350.00 every four weeks gives a gross annual income of £30,333.33... A rather handsome sum of money for what you actually do (No what you may have to do)..
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mish29[/bold] wrote: Freespeech - you refer to a portion of your rates going to pay for the fire service, yes this is correct and might I add this is excellent value for money. Car breakdown cover costs more,boiler cover and to have a current account with banks cost more per year nowadays, just bare that in mind ! You say a house maid ??? Lol this is outrageous haha I can assure you there's no house maids at any fire station in West Yorkshire ! Entertainment is paid for by the firefighters who contribute a certain amount per year to be able to watch tele during there lunch break and stand down times! You mention greed ?? I don't understand your thoughts on this ! Firefighters currently contribute just short of 15% of there wage into their pension, averages about 350 pounds per 4 week ! So they contribute their fair share I reckon !! So what they are fighting the government for is to stop them rising there contributions further aswell as adding 10 years additional service to there careers !! You know why ??? Because the government has over spent and used the money in the pension schemes to try dig us out of the this financial mess the country's in ! Who has to pay for it in the long run ? Us !!! Everybody out there! Please please go talk to the firefighters on the picket line they will tell you the truth. Don't listen to the media there run by the government and will tell you lies on lies to make you hate a fantastic front line emergency service !!![/p][/quote]Fire fighter current pension contributions published on there web site is :- Up to £15,000 contribute 11% £15,000 to £21,000 Contribution 11.9% £21,000 to £30,000 Contribute 12.9% £30,000 to £40,000 Contribute 13.2% £40,000 to £50,000 Contribute 13.5% £50,000 to £60,000 contribute 13.7% £60,000 to £100,000 contribute 14.1% £100,000 to £120,000 contribute 14.5% More than £120,000 Contribute 15.0% So Mish29.. What does the average fireman earn? You say just short of 15% contribution, Is that in the £100,000 to £120,000 bracket then?[/p][/quote]Plus, with the figures you have give, £350.00 every four weeks gives a gross annual income of £30,333.33... A rather handsome sum of money for what you actually do (No what you may have to do).. freespeech
  • Score: 6

2:59pm Wed 11 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle.
Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle. whisky1
  • Score: 8

3:00pm Wed 11 Jun 14

allinittogether says...

OLDLAD wrote:
Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.
So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.[/p][/quote]So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights? allinittogether
  • Score: -5

3:13pm Wed 11 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

allinittogether wrote:
OLDLAD wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.
So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?
The days of Public servants leeching of the rest of us are fast receding ..gold plated Pensions for a select few cannot be justified on any sensible view either on the basis of fairness or economics. Its simple really
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.[/p][/quote]So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?[/p][/quote]The days of Public servants leeching of the rest of us are fast receding ..gold plated Pensions for a select few cannot be justified on any sensible view either on the basis of fairness or economics. Its simple really whisky1
  • Score: 7

3:15pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Broadswordcalling says...

whisky1 wrote:
Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle.
Gold plated pension!
What's the criteria for that
Do please explain whisky1
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle.[/p][/quote]Gold plated pension! What's the criteria for that Do please explain whisky1 Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -10

3:18pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Broadswordcalling says...

whisky1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
OLDLAD wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.
So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?
The days of Public servants leeching of the rest of us are fast receding ..gold plated Pensions for a select few cannot be justified on any sensible view either on the basis of fairness or economics. Its simple really
whisky1
The days of Public servants leeching of the rest of us are fast receding ..gold plated Pensions for a select few cannot be justified on any sensible view either on the basis of fairness or economics. Its simple really

Bitter & jealous possibly?
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.[/p][/quote]So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?[/p][/quote]The days of Public servants leeching of the rest of us are fast receding ..gold plated Pensions for a select few cannot be justified on any sensible view either on the basis of fairness or economics. Its simple really[/p][/quote]whisky1 The days of Public servants leeching of the rest of us are fast receding ..gold plated Pensions for a select few cannot be justified on any sensible view either on the basis of fairness or economics. Its simple really Bitter & jealous possibly? Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -4

3:25pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
whisky1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
OLDLAD wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.
So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?
The days of Public servants leeching of the rest of us are fast receding ..gold plated Pensions for a select few cannot be justified on any sensible view either on the basis of fairness or economics. Its simple really
whisky1 The days of Public servants leeching of the rest of us are fast receding ..gold plated Pensions for a select few cannot be justified on any sensible view either on the basis of fairness or economics. Its simple really Bitter & jealous possibly?
More realistic I'd say. But no, you carry on demanding money for old rope and early retirement. See how much sympathy you get from the public.
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.[/p][/quote]So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?[/p][/quote]The days of Public servants leeching of the rest of us are fast receding ..gold plated Pensions for a select few cannot be justified on any sensible view either on the basis of fairness or economics. Its simple really[/p][/quote]whisky1 The days of Public servants leeching of the rest of us are fast receding ..gold plated Pensions for a select few cannot be justified on any sensible view either on the basis of fairness or economics. Its simple really Bitter & jealous possibly?[/p][/quote]More realistic I'd say. But no, you carry on demanding money for old rope and early retirement. See how much sympathy you get from the public. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 9

3:26pm Wed 11 Jun 14

OLDLAD says...

Mish29 wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.
Old lad your wrong very wrong !!! How many 60 year old front line soldiers do you see ?????? None so shut up you d*** I have at least 5 friends vary in all different ranks and I can assure you they will not be any soldiers on the front line at 60 !!! For example a close friend will be retiring on a full pension at 38 and who doesn't contribute anything out of his wage into it (rightly so )That's the scheme the firefighters are trying to prevent being implemented !!!!! Get ya facts right before talking utter ribbish
Thank you for your rant. Two points, you have to do 22 years from age of 18 to be paid pension in full, thus 40 not like your friend who is 38. Secondly, the new pension scheme allows you to serve, if you are allowed, until 55 but your pension is then preserved until you are 60. And as to no contribution this is just a fallicy as it is deducted from the x factor so no one actually sees it being taken. Never said you would be serving on front line either. Thank you for putting me and my 38 years forces service to shame.
[quote][p][bold]Mish29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.[/p][/quote]Old lad your wrong very wrong !!! How many 60 year old front line soldiers do you see ?????? None so shut up you d*** I have at least 5 friends vary in all different ranks and I can assure you they will not be any soldiers on the front line at 60 !!! For example a close friend will be retiring on a full pension at 38 and who doesn't contribute anything out of his wage into it (rightly so )That's the scheme the firefighters are trying to prevent being implemented !!!!! Get ya facts right before talking utter ribbish[/p][/quote]Thank you for your rant. Two points, you have to do 22 years from age of 18 to be paid pension in full, thus 40 not like your friend who is 38. Secondly, the new pension scheme allows you to serve, if you are allowed, until 55 but your pension is then preserved until you are 60. And as to no contribution this is just a fallicy as it is deducted from the x factor so no one actually sees it being taken. Never said you would be serving on front line either. Thank you for putting me and my 38 years forces service to shame. OLDLAD
  • Score: -7

3:27pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Mish29 says...

freespeech wrote:
Mish29 wrote:
Freespeech - you refer to a portion of your rates going to pay for the fire service, yes this is correct and might I add this is excellent value for money. Car breakdown cover costs more,boiler cover and to have a current account with banks cost more per year nowadays, just bare that in mind !
You say a house maid ??? Lol this is outrageous haha I can assure you there's no house maids at any fire station in West Yorkshire ! Entertainment is paid for by the firefighters who contribute a certain amount per year to be able to watch tele during there lunch break and stand down times!
You mention greed ?? I don't understand your thoughts on this ! Firefighters currently contribute just short of 15% of there wage into their pension, averages about 350 pounds per 4 week ! So they contribute their fair share I reckon !!
So what they are fighting the government for is to stop them rising there contributions further aswell as adding 10 years additional service to there careers !! You know why ??? Because the government has over spent and used the money in the pension schemes to try dig us out of the this financial mess the country's in ! Who has to pay for it in the long run ? Us !!! Everybody out there! Please please go talk to the firefighters on the picket line they will tell you the truth. Don't listen to the media there run by the government and will tell you lies on lies to make you hate a fantastic front line emergency service !!!
I know one of your "house keepers" personally. Yes it's outrageous you still have someone who changes your beds and makes them up for you.
Hahahaha you talk s**t !!!
Makes there beds hahahaha hahahah dreamworld.com !
Do you think top level management would allow this ??!!
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mish29[/bold] wrote: Freespeech - you refer to a portion of your rates going to pay for the fire service, yes this is correct and might I add this is excellent value for money. Car breakdown cover costs more,boiler cover and to have a current account with banks cost more per year nowadays, just bare that in mind ! You say a house maid ??? Lol this is outrageous haha I can assure you there's no house maids at any fire station in West Yorkshire ! Entertainment is paid for by the firefighters who contribute a certain amount per year to be able to watch tele during there lunch break and stand down times! You mention greed ?? I don't understand your thoughts on this ! Firefighters currently contribute just short of 15% of there wage into their pension, averages about 350 pounds per 4 week ! So they contribute their fair share I reckon !! So what they are fighting the government for is to stop them rising there contributions further aswell as adding 10 years additional service to there careers !! You know why ??? Because the government has over spent and used the money in the pension schemes to try dig us out of the this financial mess the country's in ! Who has to pay for it in the long run ? Us !!! Everybody out there! Please please go talk to the firefighters on the picket line they will tell you the truth. Don't listen to the media there run by the government and will tell you lies on lies to make you hate a fantastic front line emergency service !!![/p][/quote]I know one of your "house keepers" personally. Yes it's outrageous you still have someone who changes your beds and makes them up for you.[/p][/quote]Hahahaha you talk s**t !!! Makes there beds hahahaha hahahah dreamworld.com ! Do you think top level management would allow this ??!! Mish29
  • Score: -10

3:29pm Wed 11 Jun 14

OLDLAD says...

allinittogether wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.
So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?
How would the forces fight this?
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.[/p][/quote]So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?[/p][/quote]How would the forces fight this? OLDLAD
  • Score: 9

3:34pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Mish29 says...

freespeech wrote:
Mish29 wrote:
Freespeech - you refer to a portion of your rates going to pay for the fire service, yes this is correct and might I add this is excellent value for money. Car breakdown cover costs more,boiler cover and to have a current account with banks cost more per year nowadays, just bare that in mind !
You say a house maid ??? Lol this is outrageous haha I can assure you there's no house maids at any fire station in West Yorkshire ! Entertainment is paid for by the firefighters who contribute a certain amount per year to be able to watch tele during there lunch break and stand down times!
You mention greed ?? I don't understand your thoughts on this ! Firefighters currently contribute just short of 15% of there wage into their pension, averages about 350 pounds per 4 week ! So they contribute their fair share I reckon !!
So what they are fighting the government for is to stop them rising there contributions further aswell as adding 10 years additional service to there careers !! You know why ??? Because the government has over spent and used the money in the pension schemes to try dig us out of the this financial mess the country's in ! Who has to pay for it in the long run ? Us !!! Everybody out there! Please please go talk to the firefighters on the picket line they will tell you the truth. Don't listen to the media there run by the government and will tell you lies on lies to make you hate a fantastic front line emergency service !!!
Fire fighter current pension contributions published on there web site is :-

Up to £15,000 contribute 11%
£15,000 to £21,000 Contribution 11.9%
£21,000 to £30,000 Contribute 12.9%
£30,000 to £40,000 Contribute 13.2%
£40,000 to £50,000 Contribute 13.5%
£50,000 to £60,000 contribute 13.7%
£60,000 to £100,000 contribute 14.1%
£100,000 to £120,000 contribute 14.5%
More than £120,000 Contribute 15.0%

So Mish29.. What does the average fireman earn? You say just short of 15% contribution, Is that in the £100,000 to £120,000 bracket then?
Tut tut wrong once again!! You ll find that pension contributions have been raised once again in April 2014 !! Those figures you are reading are out of date... Come on at least come back with the correct facts !!!
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mish29[/bold] wrote: Freespeech - you refer to a portion of your rates going to pay for the fire service, yes this is correct and might I add this is excellent value for money. Car breakdown cover costs more,boiler cover and to have a current account with banks cost more per year nowadays, just bare that in mind ! You say a house maid ??? Lol this is outrageous haha I can assure you there's no house maids at any fire station in West Yorkshire ! Entertainment is paid for by the firefighters who contribute a certain amount per year to be able to watch tele during there lunch break and stand down times! You mention greed ?? I don't understand your thoughts on this ! Firefighters currently contribute just short of 15% of there wage into their pension, averages about 350 pounds per 4 week ! So they contribute their fair share I reckon !! So what they are fighting the government for is to stop them rising there contributions further aswell as adding 10 years additional service to there careers !! You know why ??? Because the government has over spent and used the money in the pension schemes to try dig us out of the this financial mess the country's in ! Who has to pay for it in the long run ? Us !!! Everybody out there! Please please go talk to the firefighters on the picket line they will tell you the truth. Don't listen to the media there run by the government and will tell you lies on lies to make you hate a fantastic front line emergency service !!![/p][/quote]Fire fighter current pension contributions published on there web site is :- Up to £15,000 contribute 11% £15,000 to £21,000 Contribution 11.9% £21,000 to £30,000 Contribute 12.9% £30,000 to £40,000 Contribute 13.2% £40,000 to £50,000 Contribute 13.5% £50,000 to £60,000 contribute 13.7% £60,000 to £100,000 contribute 14.1% £100,000 to £120,000 contribute 14.5% More than £120,000 Contribute 15.0% So Mish29.. What does the average fireman earn? You say just short of 15% contribution, Is that in the £100,000 to £120,000 bracket then?[/p][/quote]Tut tut wrong once again!! You ll find that pension contributions have been raised once again in April 2014 !! Those figures you are reading are out of date... Come on at least come back with the correct facts !!! Mish29
  • Score: -5

3:50pm Wed 11 Jun 14

freespeech says...

Mish29 wrote:
freespeech wrote:
Mish29 wrote:
Freespeech - you refer to a portion of your rates going to pay for the fire service, yes this is correct and might I add this is excellent value for money. Car breakdown cover costs more,boiler cover and to have a current account with banks cost more per year nowadays, just bare that in mind !
You say a house maid ??? Lol this is outrageous haha I can assure you there's no house maids at any fire station in West Yorkshire ! Entertainment is paid for by the firefighters who contribute a certain amount per year to be able to watch tele during there lunch break and stand down times!
You mention greed ?? I don't understand your thoughts on this ! Firefighters currently contribute just short of 15% of there wage into their pension, averages about 350 pounds per 4 week ! So they contribute their fair share I reckon !!
So what they are fighting the government for is to stop them rising there contributions further aswell as adding 10 years additional service to there careers !! You know why ??? Because the government has over spent and used the money in the pension schemes to try dig us out of the this financial mess the country's in ! Who has to pay for it in the long run ? Us !!! Everybody out there! Please please go talk to the firefighters on the picket line they will tell you the truth. Don't listen to the media there run by the government and will tell you lies on lies to make you hate a fantastic front line emergency service !!!
Fire fighter current pension contributions published on there web site is :-

Up to £15,000 contribute 11%
£15,000 to £21,000 Contribution 11.9%
£21,000 to £30,000 Contribute 12.9%
£30,000 to £40,000 Contribute 13.2%
£40,000 to £50,000 Contribute 13.5%
£50,000 to £60,000 contribute 13.7%
£60,000 to £100,000 contribute 14.1%
£100,000 to £120,000 contribute 14.5%
More than £120,000 Contribute 15.0%

So Mish29.. What does the average fireman earn? You say just short of 15% contribution, Is that in the £100,000 to £120,000 bracket then?
Tut tut wrong once again!! You ll find that pension contributions have been raised once again in April 2014 !! Those figures you are reading are out of date... Come on at least come back with the correct facts !!!
What are the true figure then, these one are from the FBU site! Post the correct one! They will not have changed any more the 0.75%.. and again, not the highest contribution in the public sector!
[quote][p][bold]Mish29[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mish29[/bold] wrote: Freespeech - you refer to a portion of your rates going to pay for the fire service, yes this is correct and might I add this is excellent value for money. Car breakdown cover costs more,boiler cover and to have a current account with banks cost more per year nowadays, just bare that in mind ! You say a house maid ??? Lol this is outrageous haha I can assure you there's no house maids at any fire station in West Yorkshire ! Entertainment is paid for by the firefighters who contribute a certain amount per year to be able to watch tele during there lunch break and stand down times! You mention greed ?? I don't understand your thoughts on this ! Firefighters currently contribute just short of 15% of there wage into their pension, averages about 350 pounds per 4 week ! So they contribute their fair share I reckon !! So what they are fighting the government for is to stop them rising there contributions further aswell as adding 10 years additional service to there careers !! You know why ??? Because the government has over spent and used the money in the pension schemes to try dig us out of the this financial mess the country's in ! Who has to pay for it in the long run ? Us !!! Everybody out there! Please please go talk to the firefighters on the picket line they will tell you the truth. Don't listen to the media there run by the government and will tell you lies on lies to make you hate a fantastic front line emergency service !!![/p][/quote]Fire fighter current pension contributions published on there web site is :- Up to £15,000 contribute 11% £15,000 to £21,000 Contribution 11.9% £21,000 to £30,000 Contribute 12.9% £30,000 to £40,000 Contribute 13.2% £40,000 to £50,000 Contribute 13.5% £50,000 to £60,000 contribute 13.7% £60,000 to £100,000 contribute 14.1% £100,000 to £120,000 contribute 14.5% More than £120,000 Contribute 15.0% So Mish29.. What does the average fireman earn? You say just short of 15% contribution, Is that in the £100,000 to £120,000 bracket then?[/p][/quote]Tut tut wrong once again!! You ll find that pension contributions have been raised once again in April 2014 !! Those figures you are reading are out of date... Come on at least come back with the correct facts !!![/p][/quote]What are the true figure then, these one are from the FBU site! Post the correct one! They will not have changed any more the 0.75%.. and again, not the highest contribution in the public sector! freespeech
  • Score: 10

3:52pm Wed 11 Jun 14

freespeech says...

OLDLAD wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.
So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?
How would the forces fight this?
I can't see any public support out of the fire fighting family... destined to loose!
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.[/p][/quote]So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?[/p][/quote]How would the forces fight this?[/p][/quote]I can't see any public support out of the fire fighting family... destined to loose! freespeech
  • Score: 10

4:42pm Wed 11 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
whisky1 wrote: Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle.
Gold plated pension! What's the criteria for that Do please explain whisky1
Do the maths look at what puny contributions would buy in a Money Purchase Scheme rather than one subsidised by Council Tax Payers. The answer is sweet FA. Its not hard keep up
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle.[/p][/quote]Gold plated pension! What's the criteria for that Do please explain whisky1[/p][/quote]Do the maths look at what puny contributions would buy in a Money Purchase Scheme rather than one subsidised by Council Tax Payers. The answer is sweet FA. Its not hard keep up whisky1
  • Score: 5

4:45pm Wed 11 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

whisky1 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
whisky1 wrote: Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle.
Gold plated pension! What's the criteria for that Do please explain whisky1
Do the maths look at what puny contributions would buy in a Money Purchase Scheme rather than one subsidised by Council Tax Payers. The answer is sweet FA. Its not hard keep up
postscript ..the fact that you don't realise what a great Pension it is compared to those availiable to rest of us poor schmucks speaks volumes. Talk about out of touch.
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle.[/p][/quote]Gold plated pension! What's the criteria for that Do please explain whisky1[/p][/quote]Do the maths look at what puny contributions would buy in a Money Purchase Scheme rather than one subsidised by Council Tax Payers. The answer is sweet FA. Its not hard keep up[/p][/quote]postscript ..the fact that you don't realise what a great Pension it is compared to those availiable to rest of us poor schmucks speaks volumes. Talk about out of touch. whisky1
  • Score: 6

5:04pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Bantam999 says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
JAtkinson wrote:
BCFC1911 wrote:
Good

Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs.

As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strike
Maybe we should treat people fairly and equitably, listen to their concerns and not make them unduly suffer for the failings of others, thus removing the need to strike.
Define "unfair" please.

My brother is a fire fighter and is totally against any strikes as he is very very happy with the pay and conditions the fire service offer

Please explain what aspect they are in dispute about you agree with
May I ask how long your bro has been a ff?
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: Good Maybe they should consider themselves lucky having such a good job and even second jobs. As much as they do a great job no emergency services should be allowed to strike[/p][/quote]Maybe we should treat people fairly and equitably, listen to their concerns and not make them unduly suffer for the failings of others, thus removing the need to strike.[/p][/quote]Define "unfair" please. My brother is a fire fighter and is totally against any strikes as he is very very happy with the pay and conditions the fire service offer Please explain what aspect they are in dispute about you agree with[/p][/quote]May I ask how long your bro has been a ff? Bantam999
  • Score: 3

6:06pm Wed 11 Jun 14

linebacker2 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
nBCFC1911 wrote:
the firefighters salary has increased on average over the past 10 years by 5% a year. Way above inflation. This is just plain and simple greed.

Where have you got that figure from? Certainly not from any Firefighter, try using with real facts.

In real terms a Firefighter today receives less than 10 years ago due to pension increases and salary freezes they have had.
The fire service is inundated with qualified applicants, if firefighters don't like the pay and conditions there's dozens of people who'll happily take their place.
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: nBCFC1911 wrote: the firefighters salary has increased on average over the past 10 years by 5% a year. Way above inflation. This is just plain and simple greed. Where have you got that figure from? Certainly not from any Firefighter, try using with real facts. In real terms a Firefighter today receives less than 10 years ago due to pension increases and salary freezes they have had.[/p][/quote]The fire service is inundated with qualified applicants, if firefighters don't like the pay and conditions there's dozens of people who'll happily take their place. linebacker2
  • Score: 4

8:11pm Wed 11 Jun 14

tinytoonster says...

Andy2010 wrote:
northern pig wrote:
freespeech wrote:
A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.
you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!!
And everytime Police attend a 999 call or the Ambulance service do not to mention the armed forces who literally risk their lives daily.

Funnily though you dont seem to see them moaning as much as the fire service or going on strike do you.

In fact the fire service has less of a chance of personal injury that all the other services combined.
police risk their lives?
yeah if they drop speed camera on their toes or burn themselves with hot food!
jokers.
at least fire brigade turn up when you ring!
police just give a crime number!
real heroes! ha ha!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.[/p][/quote]you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!![/p][/quote]And everytime Police attend a 999 call or the Ambulance service do not to mention the armed forces who literally risk their lives daily. Funnily though you dont seem to see them moaning as much as the fire service or going on strike do you. In fact the fire service has less of a chance of personal injury that all the other services combined.[/p][/quote]police risk their lives? yeah if they drop speed camera on their toes or burn themselves with hot food! jokers. at least fire brigade turn up when you ring! police just give a crime number! real heroes! ha ha! tinytoonster
  • Score: 1

8:57pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Broadswordcalling says...

whisky1 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
whisky1 wrote: Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle.
Gold plated pension! What's the criteria for that Do please explain whisky1
Do the maths look at what puny contributions would buy in a Money Purchase Scheme rather than one subsidised by Council Tax Payers. The answer is sweet FA. Its not hard keep up
You seem to be an expert on this whisky1. Please excuse me not being able to keep up. What' constitutes puney contributions? Is £400 per month puney?
Do you actually know what the actual Firefighters pay in relation to the employers contributions?
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle.[/p][/quote]Gold plated pension! What's the criteria for that Do please explain whisky1[/p][/quote]Do the maths look at what puny contributions would buy in a Money Purchase Scheme rather than one subsidised by Council Tax Payers. The answer is sweet FA. Its not hard keep up[/p][/quote]You seem to be an expert on this whisky1. Please excuse me not being able to keep up. What' constitutes puney contributions? Is £400 per month puney? Do you actually know what the actual Firefighters pay in relation to the employers contributions? Broadswordcalling
  • Score: 2

9:03pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Broadswordcalling says...

whisky1 wrote:
whisky1 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
whisky1 wrote: Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle.
Gold plated pension! What's the criteria for that Do please explain whisky1
Do the maths look at what puny contributions would buy in a Money Purchase Scheme rather than one subsidised by Council Tax Payers. The answer is sweet FA. Its not hard keep up
postscript ..the fact that you don't realise what a great Pension it is compared to those availiable to rest of us poor schmucks speaks volumes. Talk about out of touch.
Maybe I do realise it's a good pension, but it may well be paid for by the Firefighters re their contributions. Have you ever thought to get off your arse and see what the equivalent amount would get you. But then agin you have no idea what they pay in do you?
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle.[/p][/quote]Gold plated pension! What's the criteria for that Do please explain whisky1[/p][/quote]Do the maths look at what puny contributions would buy in a Money Purchase Scheme rather than one subsidised by Council Tax Payers. The answer is sweet FA. Its not hard keep up[/p][/quote]postscript ..the fact that you don't realise what a great Pension it is compared to those availiable to rest of us poor schmucks speaks volumes. Talk about out of touch.[/p][/quote]Maybe I do realise it's a good pension, but it may well be paid for by the Firefighters re their contributions. Have you ever thought to get off your arse and see what the equivalent amount would get you. But then agin you have no idea what they pay in do you? Broadswordcalling
  • Score: 2

9:07pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Broadswordcalling says...

linebacker2 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
nBCFC1911 wrote:
the firefighters salary has increased on average over the past 10 years by 5% a year. Way above inflation. This is just plain and simple greed.

Where have you got that figure from? Certainly not from any Firefighter, try using with real facts.

In real terms a Firefighter today receives less than 10 years ago due to pension increases and salary freezes they have had.
The fire service is inundated with qualified applicants, if firefighters don't like the pay and conditions there's dozens of people who'll happily take their place.
Problem is I understand they are quite choosy in who they employ!
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: nBCFC1911 wrote: the firefighters salary has increased on average over the past 10 years by 5% a year. Way above inflation. This is just plain and simple greed. Where have you got that figure from? Certainly not from any Firefighter, try using with real facts. In real terms a Firefighter today receives less than 10 years ago due to pension increases and salary freezes they have had.[/p][/quote]The fire service is inundated with qualified applicants, if firefighters don't like the pay and conditions there's dozens of people who'll happily take their place.[/p][/quote]Problem is I understand they are quite choosy in who they employ! Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -3

9:38pm Wed 11 Jun 14

allinittogether says...

OLDLAD wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
OLDLAD wrote:
Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.
So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?
How would the forces fight this?
Organise themselves and make a mass representation to the Defence Council? Campaign via social media?
If the will was there the personnel would find a way to make their case.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.[/p][/quote]So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?[/p][/quote]How would the forces fight this?[/p][/quote]Organise themselves and make a mass representation to the Defence Council? Campaign via social media? If the will was there the personnel would find a way to make their case. allinittogether
  • Score: -3

8:22am Thu 12 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
whisky1 wrote:
whisky1 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
whisky1 wrote: Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle.
Gold plated pension! What's the criteria for that Do please explain whisky1
Do the maths look at what puny contributions would buy in a Money Purchase Scheme rather than one subsidised by Council Tax Payers. The answer is sweet FA. Its not hard keep up
postscript ..the fact that you don't realise what a great Pension it is compared to those availiable to rest of us poor schmucks speaks volumes. Talk about out of touch.
Maybe I do realise it's a good pension, but it may well be paid for by the Firefighters re their contributions. Have you ever thought to get off your arse and see what the equivalent amount would get you. But then agin you have no idea what they pay in do you?
If you were not so financially illiterate you would realise the amount required to fund Pensions in the Public Sector (not just Firefighters)is enormous. The cost of those Pensions is a huge proportion of Local and Central Government funding. There is no divine right to a Pension which those who work in Private Sector have no chance of enjoying. The lucky few who had Final Salary Schemes are diminishing as Employers in the Private Sector cut back. Heavily subsidised Public Sector Pensions will be gone in the next 10 to 15 years. Welcome to the real world
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle.[/p][/quote]Gold plated pension! What's the criteria for that Do please explain whisky1[/p][/quote]Do the maths look at what puny contributions would buy in a Money Purchase Scheme rather than one subsidised by Council Tax Payers. The answer is sweet FA. Its not hard keep up[/p][/quote]postscript ..the fact that you don't realise what a great Pension it is compared to those availiable to rest of us poor schmucks speaks volumes. Talk about out of touch.[/p][/quote]Maybe I do realise it's a good pension, but it may well be paid for by the Firefighters re their contributions. Have you ever thought to get off your arse and see what the equivalent amount would get you. But then agin you have no idea what they pay in do you?[/p][/quote]If you were not so financially illiterate you would realise the amount required to fund Pensions in the Public Sector (not just Firefighters)is enormous. The cost of those Pensions is a huge proportion of Local and Central Government funding. There is no divine right to a Pension which those who work in Private Sector have no chance of enjoying. The lucky few who had Final Salary Schemes are diminishing as Employers in the Private Sector cut back. Heavily subsidised Public Sector Pensions will be gone in the next 10 to 15 years. Welcome to the real world whisky1
  • Score: 4

8:38am Thu 12 Jun 14

allinittogether says...

whisky1 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
whisky1 wrote:
whisky1 wrote:
Broadswordcalling wrote:
whisky1 wrote: Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle.
Gold plated pension! What's the criteria for that Do please explain whisky1
Do the maths look at what puny contributions would buy in a Money Purchase Scheme rather than one subsidised by Council Tax Payers. The answer is sweet FA. Its not hard keep up
postscript ..the fact that you don't realise what a great Pension it is compared to those availiable to rest of us poor schmucks speaks volumes. Talk about out of touch.
Maybe I do realise it's a good pension, but it may well be paid for by the Firefighters re their contributions. Have you ever thought to get off your arse and see what the equivalent amount would get you. But then agin you have no idea what they pay in do you?
If you were not so financially illiterate you would realise the amount required to fund Pensions in the Public Sector (not just Firefighters)is enormous. The cost of those Pensions is a huge proportion of Local and Central Government funding. There is no divine right to a Pension which those who work in Private Sector have no chance of enjoying. The lucky few who had Final Salary Schemes are diminishing as Employers in the Private Sector cut back. Heavily subsidised Public Sector Pensions will be gone in the next 10 to 15 years. Welcome to the real world
Makes you wonder what the point of anyone contributing to a pension scheme is if the goalposts can be moved at a whim. The system stinks to high heaven whether public or private and no change is ever for the benefit of the individual policy holder. That's why they're fighting and good luck to them.
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: Handsomely remunerated for a bobbies job and pensioned off for a long and prosperous retirement on a gold plated Pension on the back of Council Tax payers who have to graft until they are in their late 60s if they are lucky and do not have a prayer of accruing similar Pension Benefits however much they save. No sympathy . Thankfully they are fighting a losing battle.[/p][/quote]Gold plated pension! What's the criteria for that Do please explain whisky1[/p][/quote]Do the maths look at what puny contributions would buy in a Money Purchase Scheme rather than one subsidised by Council Tax Payers. The answer is sweet FA. Its not hard keep up[/p][/quote]postscript ..the fact that you don't realise what a great Pension it is compared to those availiable to rest of us poor schmucks speaks volumes. Talk about out of touch.[/p][/quote]Maybe I do realise it's a good pension, but it may well be paid for by the Firefighters re their contributions. Have you ever thought to get off your arse and see what the equivalent amount would get you. But then agin you have no idea what they pay in do you?[/p][/quote]If you were not so financially illiterate you would realise the amount required to fund Pensions in the Public Sector (not just Firefighters)is enormous. The cost of those Pensions is a huge proportion of Local and Central Government funding. There is no divine right to a Pension which those who work in Private Sector have no chance of enjoying. The lucky few who had Final Salary Schemes are diminishing as Employers in the Private Sector cut back. Heavily subsidised Public Sector Pensions will be gone in the next 10 to 15 years. Welcome to the real world[/p][/quote]Makes you wonder what the point of anyone contributing to a pension scheme is if the goalposts can be moved at a whim. The system stinks to high heaven whether public or private and no change is ever for the benefit of the individual policy holder. That's why they're fighting and good luck to them. allinittogether
  • Score: 3

10:34am Thu 12 Jun 14

carolyne74 says...

northern pig wrote:
freespeech wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.
you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!!
Let's be honest here. How many times per shift does a firefighter actually attend a life-threatening fire? I'd hazard a guess at "not many". Maybe they should be paid minimum wage for the times when they are sat at the station watching telly, a slightly higher wage when they get called out to false alarms (for the hassle of putting their gear on and driving somewhere), and then "hazard" pay for the real life-threatening situations? Oh, suddenly their pay has dropped massively!

I really appreciate the fire service, and admit that I wouldn't want to do their job, but the majority of their time is *not* spent in dangerous situations.
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.[/p][/quote]you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!![/p][/quote]Let's be honest here. How many times per shift does a firefighter actually attend a life-threatening fire? I'd hazard a guess at "not many". Maybe they should be paid minimum wage for the times when they are sat at the station watching telly, a slightly higher wage when they get called out to false alarms (for the hassle of putting their gear on and driving somewhere), and then "hazard" pay for the real life-threatening situations? Oh, suddenly their pay has dropped massively! I really appreciate the fire service, and admit that I wouldn't want to do their job, but the majority of their time is *not* spent in dangerous situations. carolyne74
  • Score: 5

10:43am Thu 12 Jun 14

carolyne74 says...

allinittogether wrote:
OLDLAD wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.
So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?
The armed forces are not allowed to strike, because obviously they do a seriously essential job. In fact, who stands in while the firefighters get their knickers in a knot? Oh yes, the army.

"Bottle" would be manning up and getting on with the job instead of whining like little girls who had their toy taken away. If you don't like the pension being offered, go and work somewhere else.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.[/p][/quote]So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?[/p][/quote]The armed forces are not allowed to strike, because obviously they do a seriously essential job. In fact, who stands in while the firefighters get their knickers in a knot? Oh yes, the army. "Bottle" would be manning up and getting on with the job instead of whining like little girls who had their toy taken away. If you don't like the pension being offered, go and work somewhere else. carolyne74
  • Score: 6

11:08am Thu 12 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

carolyne74 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
OLDLAD wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.
So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?
The armed forces are not allowed to strike, because obviously they do a seriously essential job. In fact, who stands in while the firefighters get their knickers in a knot? Oh yes, the army. "Bottle" would be manning up and getting on with the job instead of whining like little girls who had their toy taken away. If you don't like the pension being offered, go and work somewhere else.
Understandably they feel a sense of entitlement after decades of being paid well for a short career and the promise of a long and comfortable retirement. You can understand that this rankles but there is absolutely no reason why they should be treated preferentially to Joe Public and that's even before you consider the cost of it to the Taxpayer. The party is over
[quote][p][bold]carolyne74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.[/p][/quote]So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?[/p][/quote]The armed forces are not allowed to strike, because obviously they do a seriously essential job. In fact, who stands in while the firefighters get their knickers in a knot? Oh yes, the army. "Bottle" would be manning up and getting on with the job instead of whining like little girls who had their toy taken away. If you don't like the pension being offered, go and work somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Understandably they feel a sense of entitlement after decades of being paid well for a short career and the promise of a long and comfortable retirement. You can understand that this rankles but there is absolutely no reason why they should be treated preferentially to Joe Public and that's even before you consider the cost of it to the Taxpayer. The party is over whisky1
  • Score: 4

11:34am Thu 12 Jun 14

DDD999 says...

The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes..

I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following:
pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year

with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be:
pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year.

Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to???

I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got .

To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.
The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids. DDD999
  • Score: -4

11:36am Thu 12 Jun 14

allinittogether says...

carolyne74 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
OLDLAD wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.
So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?
The armed forces are not allowed to strike, because obviously they do a seriously essential job. In fact, who stands in while the firefighters get their knickers in a knot? Oh yes, the army.

"Bottle" would be manning up and getting on with the job instead of whining like little girls who had their toy taken away. If you don't like the pension being offered, go and work somewhere else.
"Seriously essential job"? You mean like making the situation worse in Iraq and Afghanistan?
[quote][p][bold]carolyne74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Have a look at the new armed forces pension scheme same as they want the firefighters to adopt. The forces had no option but to accept it, we don't strike but have been known to be firefighters, binmen and flood experts so all I can say is bite the sh@t sandwich and get on with it.[/p][/quote]So just because you caved in and bit the sh@t sandwich you criticise those with the bottle to stand up for their rights?[/p][/quote]The armed forces are not allowed to strike, because obviously they do a seriously essential job. In fact, who stands in while the firefighters get their knickers in a knot? Oh yes, the army. "Bottle" would be manning up and getting on with the job instead of whining like little girls who had their toy taken away. If you don't like the pension being offered, go and work somewhere else.[/p][/quote]"Seriously essential job"? You mean like making the situation worse in Iraq and Afghanistan? allinittogether
  • Score: -10

11:41am Thu 12 Jun 14

allinittogether says...

DDD999 wrote:
The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes..

I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following:
pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year

with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be:
pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year.

Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to???

I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got .

To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.
Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too!
What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so?
Good luck to you sir.
[quote][p][bold]DDD999[/bold] wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.[/p][/quote]Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too! What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so? Good luck to you sir. allinittogether
  • Score: 3

12:09pm Thu 12 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

DDD999 wrote:
The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.
Your contributions would buy a fraction of the Pension you get at present on the open market. Why should the Taxpayer pick up the rest of the tab. Should have saved cash from the window cleaning round you did on the side.
[quote][p][bold]DDD999[/bold] wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.[/p][/quote]Your contributions would buy a fraction of the Pension you get at present on the open market. Why should the Taxpayer pick up the rest of the tab. Should have saved cash from the window cleaning round you did on the side. whisky1
  • Score: 0

12:52pm Thu 12 Jun 14

BD16 says...

allinittogether wrote:
DDD999 wrote:
The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes..

I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following:
pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year

with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be:
pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year.

Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to???

I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got .

To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.
Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too!
What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so?
Good luck to you sir.
Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon
ey.co.uk/money/pensi
ons/article-1692321/
Has-Labour-really-ra
nsacked-our-pensions
.html

It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DDD999[/bold] wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.[/p][/quote]Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too! What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so? Good luck to you sir.[/p][/quote]Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/pensi ons/article-1692321/ Has-Labour-really-ra nsacked-our-pensions .html It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain? BD16
  • Score: 7

12:59pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Broadswordcalling says...

whisky1 wrote:
DDD999 wrote:
The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.
Your contributions would buy a fraction of the Pension you get at present on the open market. Why should the Taxpayer pick up the rest of the tab. Should have saved cash from the window cleaning round you did on the side.
whisky1 wrote:
Your contributions would buy a fraction of the Pension you get at present on the open market. Why should the Taxpayer pick up the rest of the tab. Should have saved cash from the window cleaning round you did on the side.

Typical answer from a very envious and bitter person who thinks public sector pensions is the whole reason this country's in a mess. And you have the nerve to call me financially illiterate!!!
If you had any idea whatsoever you would realise that the cost of public sector pensions is very little in the scheme of this countries spending.
Out of interest when did you fail the Firefighters entrance test ?
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DDD999[/bold] wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.[/p][/quote]Your contributions would buy a fraction of the Pension you get at present on the open market. Why should the Taxpayer pick up the rest of the tab. Should have saved cash from the window cleaning round you did on the side.[/p][/quote]whisky1 wrote: Your contributions would buy a fraction of the Pension you get at present on the open market. Why should the Taxpayer pick up the rest of the tab. Should have saved cash from the window cleaning round you did on the side. Typical answer from a very envious and bitter person who thinks public sector pensions is the whole reason this country's in a mess. And you have the nerve to call me financially illiterate!!! If you had any idea whatsoever you would realise that the cost of public sector pensions is very little in the scheme of this countries spending. Out of interest when did you fail the Firefighters entrance test ? Broadswordcalling
  • Score: -1

1:02pm Thu 12 Jun 14

lordyorkshire says...

Just to be clear. Firefighters are not asking for anything more, better or extra than they are already contracted to. They just want a contract that was agreed BY the Government to be left to run its course. It is something that they have invested in heavily over a lot of years. I'm sure if peoples mortgage terms changed so everyone had to pay more for longer to own a lesser percentage of their house there would be an uproar. Especially when the only reason firefighters pensions are being attacked is so the government can use the money to bail the banks out.
In addition to this, an independent study PAID for by the government proved the demands of the job are too much for people of 55 years and above. IF firefighters are lucky enough to avoid injury or illness to allow them to remain at work into their late 50s they complete fitness tests every 3 months. Should they fail this (Which is inevitable at that age) They will be dismissed and will NOT receive a full pension, and the fraction that they are entitled to is held until they reach 65. That's why they are striking.
PLEASE SUPPORT OUR FIREFIGHTERS - Good luck Gentlemen and Ladies
Just to be clear. Firefighters are not asking for anything more, better or extra than they are already contracted to. They just want a contract that was agreed BY the Government to be left to run its course. It is something that they have invested in heavily over a lot of years. I'm sure if peoples mortgage terms changed so everyone had to pay more for longer to own a lesser percentage of their house there would be an uproar. Especially when the only reason firefighters pensions are being attacked is so the government can use the money to bail the banks out. In addition to this, an independent study PAID for by the government proved the demands of the job are too much for people of 55 years and above. IF firefighters are lucky enough to avoid injury or illness to allow them to remain at work into their late 50s they complete fitness tests every 3 months. Should they fail this (Which is inevitable at that age) They will be dismissed and will NOT receive a full pension, and the fraction that they are entitled to is held until they reach 65. That's why they are striking. PLEASE SUPPORT OUR FIREFIGHTERS - Good luck Gentlemen and Ladies lordyorkshire
  • Score: -2

1:34pm Thu 12 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
whisky1 wrote:
DDD999 wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.
Your contributions would buy a fraction of the Pension you get at present on the open market. Why should the Taxpayer pick up the rest of the tab. Should have saved cash from the window cleaning round you did on the side.
whisky1 wrote: Your contributions would buy a fraction of the Pension you get at present on the open market. Why should the Taxpayer pick up the rest of the tab. Should have saved cash from the window cleaning round you did on the side. Typical answer from a very envious and bitter person who thinks public sector pensions is the whole reason this country's in a mess. And you have the nerve to call me financially illiterate!!! If you had any idea whatsoever you would realise that the cost of public sector pensions is very little in the scheme of this countries spending. Out of interest when did you fail the Firefighters entrance test ?
PMSL I am a Professional who is comfortably off and have had the responsibility of providing for my own retirement and my family. I think you will find if you care to research the issue that cost of Pensions in Payment to the Local Authority is very significant (around 30% of total budget). I am not bitter at all I am proud to have provided for MYSELF and not relied on others. Without checking I could not say if the Firefighters Pension is paid for locally or centrally however either way it is a subsidy which will be gone soon and not before time
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DDD999[/bold] wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.[/p][/quote]Your contributions would buy a fraction of the Pension you get at present on the open market. Why should the Taxpayer pick up the rest of the tab. Should have saved cash from the window cleaning round you did on the side.[/p][/quote]whisky1 wrote: Your contributions would buy a fraction of the Pension you get at present on the open market. Why should the Taxpayer pick up the rest of the tab. Should have saved cash from the window cleaning round you did on the side. Typical answer from a very envious and bitter person who thinks public sector pensions is the whole reason this country's in a mess. And you have the nerve to call me financially illiterate!!! If you had any idea whatsoever you would realise that the cost of public sector pensions is very little in the scheme of this countries spending. Out of interest when did you fail the Firefighters entrance test ?[/p][/quote]PMSL I am a Professional who is comfortably off and have had the responsibility of providing for my own retirement and my family. I think you will find if you care to research the issue that cost of Pensions in Payment to the Local Authority is very significant (around 30% of total budget). I am not bitter at all I am proud to have provided for MYSELF and not relied on others. Without checking I could not say if the Firefighters Pension is paid for locally or centrally however either way it is a subsidy which will be gone soon and not before time whisky1
  • Score: 1

1:45pm Thu 12 Jun 14

allinittogether says...

BD16 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
DDD999 wrote:
The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes..

I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following:
pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year

with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be:
pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year.

Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to???

I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got .

To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.
Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too!
What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so?
Good luck to you sir.
Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon

ey.co.uk/money/pensi

ons/article-1692321/

Has-Labour-really-ra

nsacked-our-pensions

.html

It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DDD999[/bold] wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.[/p][/quote]Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too! What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so? Good luck to you sir.[/p][/quote]Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/pensi ons/article-1692321/ Has-Labour-really-ra nsacked-our-pensions .html It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?[/p][/quote]Two wrongs don't make a right. allinittogether
  • Score: -4

2:26pm Thu 12 Jun 14

freespeech says...

tinytoonster wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
northern pig wrote:
freespeech wrote:
A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.
you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!!
And everytime Police attend a 999 call or the Ambulance service do not to mention the armed forces who literally risk their lives daily.

Funnily though you dont seem to see them moaning as much as the fire service or going on strike do you.

In fact the fire service has less of a chance of personal injury that all the other services combined.
police risk their lives?
yeah if they drop speed camera on their toes or burn themselves with hot food!
jokers.
at least fire brigade turn up when you ring!
police just give a crime number!
real heroes! ha ha!
Don't be drinking while you're on the picket line if you drive home! And stop comparing yourselves to other people who actually earn their pay serving the public, as though you do the same.

The Police turn up at every emergency, receiving 2,000 calls every day in West Yorkshire! How many calls do the fire service receive a day, how many call outs a day? No element of danger..

Who do you call when the kids are throwing bricks at you, because you feel threatened and scared..? We laugh in your general direction!
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.[/p][/quote]you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!![/p][/quote]And everytime Police attend a 999 call or the Ambulance service do not to mention the armed forces who literally risk their lives daily. Funnily though you dont seem to see them moaning as much as the fire service or going on strike do you. In fact the fire service has less of a chance of personal injury that all the other services combined.[/p][/quote]police risk their lives? yeah if they drop speed camera on their toes or burn themselves with hot food! jokers. at least fire brigade turn up when you ring! police just give a crime number! real heroes! ha ha![/p][/quote]Don't be drinking while you're on the picket line if you drive home! And stop comparing yourselves to other people who actually earn their pay serving the public, as though you do the same. The Police turn up at every emergency, receiving 2,000 calls every day in West Yorkshire! How many calls do the fire service receive a day, how many call outs a day? No element of danger.. Who do you call when the kids are throwing bricks at you, because you feel threatened and scared..? We laugh in your general direction! freespeech
  • Score: 2

2:33pm Thu 12 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

freespeech wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
northern pig wrote:
freespeech wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.
you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!!
And everytime Police attend a 999 call or the Ambulance service do not to mention the armed forces who literally risk their lives daily. Funnily though you dont seem to see them moaning as much as the fire service or going on strike do you. In fact the fire service has less of a chance of personal injury that all the other services combined.
police risk their lives? yeah if they drop speed camera on their toes or burn themselves with hot food! jokers. at least fire brigade turn up when you ring! police just give a crime number! real heroes! ha ha!
Don't be drinking while you're on the picket line if you drive home! And stop comparing yourselves to other people who actually earn their pay serving the public, as though you do the same. The Police turn up at every emergency, receiving 2,000 calls every day in West Yorkshire! How many calls do the fire service receive a day, how many call outs a day? No element of danger.. Who do you call when the kids are throwing bricks at you, because you feel threatened and scared..? We laugh in your general direction!
I would not belittle the job particularly it is a steady job and adequately paid. A blue ribbon Pension at 55 however is taking the ****
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.[/p][/quote]you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!![/p][/quote]And everytime Police attend a 999 call or the Ambulance service do not to mention the armed forces who literally risk their lives daily. Funnily though you dont seem to see them moaning as much as the fire service or going on strike do you. In fact the fire service has less of a chance of personal injury that all the other services combined.[/p][/quote]police risk their lives? yeah if they drop speed camera on their toes or burn themselves with hot food! jokers. at least fire brigade turn up when you ring! police just give a crime number! real heroes! ha ha![/p][/quote]Don't be drinking while you're on the picket line if you drive home! And stop comparing yourselves to other people who actually earn their pay serving the public, as though you do the same. The Police turn up at every emergency, receiving 2,000 calls every day in West Yorkshire! How many calls do the fire service receive a day, how many call outs a day? No element of danger.. Who do you call when the kids are throwing bricks at you, because you feel threatened and scared..? We laugh in your general direction![/p][/quote]I would not belittle the job particularly it is a steady job and adequately paid. A blue ribbon Pension at 55 however is taking the **** whisky1
  • Score: 5

2:47pm Thu 12 Jun 14

BD16 says...

allinittogether wrote:
BD16 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
DDD999 wrote:
The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes..

I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following:
pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year

with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be:
pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year.

Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to???

I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got .

To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.
Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too!
What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so?
Good luck to you sir.
Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon


ey.co.uk/money/pensi


ons/article-1692321/


Has-Labour-really-ra


nsacked-our-pensions


.html

It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Oh, that's ok then. Brown did a Maxwell on my pension but I've to keep smiling and subsidising somebody for an early retirement have I?

I think I can deduce two things from your statement. 1) you work in the public sector and 2) Your user name is applied selectively.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DDD999[/bold] wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.[/p][/quote]Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too! What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so? Good luck to you sir.[/p][/quote]Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/pensi ons/article-1692321/ Has-Labour-really-ra nsacked-our-pensions .html It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?[/p][/quote]Two wrongs don't make a right.[/p][/quote]Oh, that's ok then. Brown did a Maxwell on my pension but I've to keep smiling and subsidising somebody for an early retirement have I? I think I can deduce two things from your statement. 1) you work in the public sector and 2) Your user name is applied selectively. BD16
  • Score: 4

3:01pm Thu 12 Jun 14

alive and awake says...

The Firemen do a good job, and on occasions rather unpleasant. I do however think they have a nerve striking over any of their working conditions.
They are well paid, and the pension is very good indeed.
They forget about all the earnings they make on their many days off, 3-4 days at a time, many of them are tradesmen of one sort or another, and for years have taken work off other tradesmen by undercutting them.
I'd like to see the Taxman chase them up for £k of pounds they owe.
This where I can't understand the Unions, who know it goes on, but turn a blind eye.
The Firemen do a good job, and on occasions rather unpleasant. I do however think they have a nerve striking over any of their working conditions. They are well paid, and the pension is very good indeed. They forget about all the earnings they make on their many days off, 3-4 days at a time, many of them are tradesmen of one sort or another, and for years have taken work off other tradesmen by undercutting them. I'd like to see the Taxman chase them up for £k of pounds they owe. This where I can't understand the Unions, who know it goes on, but turn a blind eye. alive and awake
  • Score: 8

3:11pm Thu 12 Jun 14

linebacker2 says...

lordyorkshire wrote:
Just to be clear. Firefighters are not asking for anything more, better or extra than they are already contracted to. They just want a contract that was agreed BY the Government to be left to run its course. It is something that they have invested in heavily over a lot of years. I'm sure if peoples mortgage terms changed so everyone had to pay more for longer to own a lesser percentage of their house there would be an uproar. Especially when the only reason firefighters pensions are being attacked is so the government can use the money to bail the banks out.
In addition to this, an independent study PAID for by the government proved the demands of the job are too much for people of 55 years and above. IF firefighters are lucky enough to avoid injury or illness to allow them to remain at work into their late 50s they complete fitness tests every 3 months. Should they fail this (Which is inevitable at that age) They will be dismissed and will NOT receive a full pension, and the fraction that they are entitled to is held until they reach 65. That's why they are striking.
PLEASE SUPPORT OUR FIREFIGHTERS - Good luck Gentlemen and Ladies
You sentiments seem to be of the job for life mentality that pervades the public sector. The length of your employment contract is the same as your notice period, a month I'd guess..

PS Nice move trying to bring the bank bailout into the equation, not clutching at straws are you?
[quote][p][bold]lordyorkshire[/bold] wrote: Just to be clear. Firefighters are not asking for anything more, better or extra than they are already contracted to. They just want a contract that was agreed BY the Government to be left to run its course. It is something that they have invested in heavily over a lot of years. I'm sure if peoples mortgage terms changed so everyone had to pay more for longer to own a lesser percentage of their house there would be an uproar. Especially when the only reason firefighters pensions are being attacked is so the government can use the money to bail the banks out. In addition to this, an independent study PAID for by the government proved the demands of the job are too much for people of 55 years and above. IF firefighters are lucky enough to avoid injury or illness to allow them to remain at work into their late 50s they complete fitness tests every 3 months. Should they fail this (Which is inevitable at that age) They will be dismissed and will NOT receive a full pension, and the fraction that they are entitled to is held until they reach 65. That's why they are striking. PLEASE SUPPORT OUR FIREFIGHTERS - Good luck Gentlemen and Ladies[/p][/quote]You sentiments seem to be of the job for life mentality that pervades the public sector. The length of your employment contract is the same as your notice period, a month I'd guess.. PS Nice move trying to bring the bank bailout into the equation, not clutching at straws are you? linebacker2
  • Score: 4

3:12pm Thu 12 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

alive and awake wrote:
The Firemen do a good job, and on occasions rather unpleasant. I do however think they have a nerve striking over any of their working conditions. They are well paid, and the pension is very good indeed. They forget about all the earnings they make on their many days off, 3-4 days at a time, many of them are tradesmen of one sort or another, and for years have taken work off other tradesmen by undercutting them. I'd like to see the Taxman chase them up for £k of pounds they owe. This where I can't understand the Unions, who know it goes on, but turn a blind eye.
Yep they can start with my window cleaner!
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: The Firemen do a good job, and on occasions rather unpleasant. I do however think they have a nerve striking over any of their working conditions. They are well paid, and the pension is very good indeed. They forget about all the earnings they make on their many days off, 3-4 days at a time, many of them are tradesmen of one sort or another, and for years have taken work off other tradesmen by undercutting them. I'd like to see the Taxman chase them up for £k of pounds they owe. This where I can't understand the Unions, who know it goes on, but turn a blind eye.[/p][/quote]Yep they can start with my window cleaner! whisky1
  • Score: 7

3:58pm Thu 12 Jun 14

The Local Observer says...

Currently of the 65 comments on here only one is worth reading. So many ill informed people.
DDD999 is the ONLY comment worth reading. This is fact. Would you accept these changes if it was happening to you ???
Mmmmhhh I'm thinking not.
Currently of the 65 comments on here only one is worth reading. So many ill informed people. DDD999 is the ONLY comment worth reading. This is fact. Would you accept these changes if it was happening to you ??? Mmmmhhh I'm thinking not. The Local Observer
  • Score: -8

4:21pm Thu 12 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

The Local Observer wrote:
Currently of the 65 comments on here only one is worth reading. So many ill informed people. DDD999 is the ONLY comment worth reading. This is fact. Would you accept these changes if it was happening to you ??? Mmmmhhh I'm thinking not.
Exactly right those who are cosseted will fight tooth and nail to hang on to privilege. Human nature ..that does not of course mean what they ask for is fair to the rest or affordable. You can chelp all you like the Scheme was devalued in 2006 and it will be again. Ultimately they will be in the same boat as Joe Public and have a Pension which is not paid out of general taxation and subsidised by the rest of us. Its gonna happen so you may as well eat the sH*t sandwich and stop moaning as a previous poster so eloquently put it
[quote][p][bold]The Local Observer[/bold] wrote: Currently of the 65 comments on here only one is worth reading. So many ill informed people. DDD999 is the ONLY comment worth reading. This is fact. Would you accept these changes if it was happening to you ??? Mmmmhhh I'm thinking not.[/p][/quote]Exactly right those who are cosseted will fight tooth and nail to hang on to privilege. Human nature ..that does not of course mean what they ask for is fair to the rest or affordable. You can chelp all you like the Scheme was devalued in 2006 and it will be again. Ultimately they will be in the same boat as Joe Public and have a Pension which is not paid out of general taxation and subsidised by the rest of us. Its gonna happen so you may as well eat the sH*t sandwich and stop moaning as a previous poster so eloquently put it whisky1
  • Score: 4

9:53pm Thu 12 Jun 14

davidh66 says...

northern pig wrote:
freespeech wrote:
A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.
you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!!
We live in the world of risk assessment nobody's life should be in danger at work
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.[/p][/quote]you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!![/p][/quote]We live in the world of risk assessment nobody's life should be in danger at work davidh66
  • Score: 2

9:53pm Thu 12 Jun 14

davidh66 says...

northern pig wrote:
freespeech wrote:
A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.
you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!!
We live in the world of risk assessment nobody's life should be in danger at work
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.[/p][/quote]you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!![/p][/quote]We live in the world of risk assessment nobody's life should be in danger at work davidh66
  • Score: 1

9:53pm Thu 12 Jun 14

davidh66 says...

northern pig wrote:
freespeech wrote:
A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.
you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!!
We live in the world of risk assessment nobody's life should be in danger at work
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.[/p][/quote]you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!![/p][/quote]We live in the world of risk assessment nobody's life should be in danger at work davidh66
  • Score: 1

10:26pm Thu 12 Jun 14

allinittogether says...

BD16 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BD16 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
DDD999 wrote:
The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes..

I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following:
pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year

with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be:
pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year.

Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to???

I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got .

To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.
Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too!
What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so?
Good luck to you sir.
Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon



ey.co.uk/money/pensi



ons/article-1692321/



Has-Labour-really-ra



nsacked-our-pensions



.html

It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Oh, that's ok then. Brown did a Maxwell on my pension but I've to keep smiling and subsidising somebody for an early retirement have I?

I think I can deduce two things from your statement. 1) you work in the public sector and 2) Your user name is applied selectively.
Far from it I paddle my own canoe, have done for 25 years and my user name is a comment on Cameron's ironic statement.
When Brown plundered your private pension what did you do? You know you've been shafted but rather than place the blame squarely where it's due (with the politicians and financial services sector) you prefer to criticise those people who are prepared to stand up for themselves.
Instead of trying to drag down the public sector pensions to private levels we should be trying to raise the levels of the private sector.
Join a union and stand up for your rights.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DDD999[/bold] wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.[/p][/quote]Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too! What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so? Good luck to you sir.[/p][/quote]Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/pensi ons/article-1692321/ Has-Labour-really-ra nsacked-our-pensions .html It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?[/p][/quote]Two wrongs don't make a right.[/p][/quote]Oh, that's ok then. Brown did a Maxwell on my pension but I've to keep smiling and subsidising somebody for an early retirement have I? I think I can deduce two things from your statement. 1) you work in the public sector and 2) Your user name is applied selectively.[/p][/quote]Far from it I paddle my own canoe, have done for 25 years and my user name is a comment on Cameron's ironic statement. When Brown plundered your private pension what did you do? You know you've been shafted but rather than place the blame squarely where it's due (with the politicians and financial services sector) you prefer to criticise those people who are prepared to stand up for themselves. Instead of trying to drag down the public sector pensions to private levels we should be trying to raise the levels of the private sector. Join a union and stand up for your rights. allinittogether
  • Score: 1

7:02am Fri 13 Jun 14

Oldwestbowling says...

carolyne74 wrote:
northern pig wrote:
freespeech wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.
you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!!
Let's be honest here. How many times per shift does a firefighter actually attend a life-threatening fire? I'd hazard a guess at "not many". Maybe they should be paid minimum wage for the times when they are sat at the station watching telly, a slightly higher wage when they get called out to false alarms (for the hassle of putting their gear on and driving somewhere), and then "hazard" pay for the real life-threatening situations? Oh, suddenly their pay has dropped massively!

I really appreciate the fire service, and admit that I wouldn't want to do their job, but the majority of their time is *not* spent in dangerous situations.
Look on it as insurance. You probably pay car and house or travel insurance in case of an accident or a burglary or house fire and yet are not happy to have a service on standby in case your family is in danger of death through said house fire or needing assistance after a road accident. How can you justify advocating reducing the pay of a professional, who one day may save your life or the life of a family member? I don't give a toss how many hours they sleep or rest on the night shift or if they have other jobs on their days off ((anyone can take an extra job, it's not illegal). If my house was on fire in the middle of the night all I would want is a quick response and people who knew what they were doing and not afraid to do it, either.

Some of these comments are laughable. It takes a special kind of person to want to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator.
[quote][p][bold]carolyne74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: A portion of my rates go to the Fire Service, why should It cost me more money because of their greed. Simple, you don't like to rewards and conditions.. Find another job. You would be hard pushed finding an employer who would pay you to sleep, pay for a housemaid and provided entertainment when you're "on Stand by" at the station. Some of us out here in the real world work hard to pay your wages. The privileged days of the lazy firefighter are drawing to an end.. I hope. If you got paid per call out, most of you would be looking for another job in any case.[/p][/quote]you are forgetting that every time they go to fight a fire they are putting their life on the line!Thats THEIR real world,brave men!!!![/p][/quote]Let's be honest here. How many times per shift does a firefighter actually attend a life-threatening fire? I'd hazard a guess at "not many". Maybe they should be paid minimum wage for the times when they are sat at the station watching telly, a slightly higher wage when they get called out to false alarms (for the hassle of putting their gear on and driving somewhere), and then "hazard" pay for the real life-threatening situations? Oh, suddenly their pay has dropped massively! I really appreciate the fire service, and admit that I wouldn't want to do their job, but the majority of their time is *not* spent in dangerous situations.[/p][/quote]Look on it as insurance. You probably pay car and house or travel insurance in case of an accident or a burglary or house fire and yet are not happy to have a service on standby in case your family is in danger of death through said house fire or needing assistance after a road accident. How can you justify advocating reducing the pay of a professional, who one day may save your life or the life of a family member? I don't give a toss how many hours they sleep or rest on the night shift or if they have other jobs on their days off ((anyone can take an extra job, it's not illegal). If my house was on fire in the middle of the night all I would want is a quick response and people who knew what they were doing and not afraid to do it, either. Some of these comments are laughable. It takes a special kind of person to want to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Oldwestbowling
  • Score: 4

8:23am Fri 13 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

allinittogether wrote:
BD16 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BD16 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
DDD999 wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.
Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too! What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so? Good luck to you sir.
Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/pensi ons/article-1692321/ Has-Labour-really-ra nsacked-our-pensions .html It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Oh, that's ok then. Brown did a Maxwell on my pension but I've to keep smiling and subsidising somebody for an early retirement have I? I think I can deduce two things from your statement. 1) you work in the public sector and 2) Your user name is applied selectively.
Far from it I paddle my own canoe, have done for 25 years and my user name is a comment on Cameron's ironic statement. When Brown plundered your private pension what did you do? You know you've been shafted but rather than place the blame squarely where it's due (with the politicians and financial services sector) you prefer to criticise those people who are prepared to stand up for themselves. Instead of trying to drag down the public sector pensions to private levels we should be trying to raise the levels of the private sector. Join a union and stand up for your rights.
You really are living in cloud cuckoo land...at a guess your Trade Unionist in Public Service. There are very few Final Salary Schemes left in the Private Sector...try looking at long term demographics and the cost of Pensions and come back when you can debate on an informed basis. Priceless.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DDD999[/bold] wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.[/p][/quote]Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too! What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so? Good luck to you sir.[/p][/quote]Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/pensi ons/article-1692321/ Has-Labour-really-ra nsacked-our-pensions .html It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?[/p][/quote]Two wrongs don't make a right.[/p][/quote]Oh, that's ok then. Brown did a Maxwell on my pension but I've to keep smiling and subsidising somebody for an early retirement have I? I think I can deduce two things from your statement. 1) you work in the public sector and 2) Your user name is applied selectively.[/p][/quote]Far from it I paddle my own canoe, have done for 25 years and my user name is a comment on Cameron's ironic statement. When Brown plundered your private pension what did you do? You know you've been shafted but rather than place the blame squarely where it's due (with the politicians and financial services sector) you prefer to criticise those people who are prepared to stand up for themselves. Instead of trying to drag down the public sector pensions to private levels we should be trying to raise the levels of the private sector. Join a union and stand up for your rights.[/p][/quote]You really are living in cloud cuckoo land...at a guess your Trade Unionist in Public Service. There are very few Final Salary Schemes left in the Private Sector...try looking at long term demographics and the cost of Pensions and come back when you can debate on an informed basis. Priceless. whisky1
  • Score: -2

8:42am Fri 13 Jun 14

Broadswordcalling says...

whisky1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BD16 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BD16 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
DDD999 wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.
Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too! What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so? Good luck to you sir.
Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/pensi ons/article-1692321/ Has-Labour-really-ra nsacked-our-pensions .html It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Oh, that's ok then. Brown did a Maxwell on my pension but I've to keep smiling and subsidising somebody for an early retirement have I? I think I can deduce two things from your statement. 1) you work in the public sector and 2) Your user name is applied selectively.
Far from it I paddle my own canoe, have done for 25 years and my user name is a comment on Cameron's ironic statement. When Brown plundered your private pension what did you do? You know you've been shafted but rather than place the blame squarely where it's due (with the politicians and financial services sector) you prefer to criticise those people who are prepared to stand up for themselves. Instead of trying to drag down the public sector pensions to private levels we should be trying to raise the levels of the private sector. Join a union and stand up for your rights.
You really are living in cloud cuckoo land...at a guess your Trade Unionist in Public Service. There are very few Final Salary Schemes left in the Private Sector...try looking at long term demographics and the cost of Pensions and come back when you can debate on an informed basis. Priceless.
Oldwestbowling says
Some of these comments are laughable. It takes a special kind of person to want to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

Well there you go Whisky1 you are special kind of person, as well as jealous and bitter. Has YOUR username anything to do with it?
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DDD999[/bold] wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.[/p][/quote]Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too! What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so? Good luck to you sir.[/p][/quote]Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/pensi ons/article-1692321/ Has-Labour-really-ra nsacked-our-pensions .html It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?[/p][/quote]Two wrongs don't make a right.[/p][/quote]Oh, that's ok then. Brown did a Maxwell on my pension but I've to keep smiling and subsidising somebody for an early retirement have I? I think I can deduce two things from your statement. 1) you work in the public sector and 2) Your user name is applied selectively.[/p][/quote]Far from it I paddle my own canoe, have done for 25 years and my user name is a comment on Cameron's ironic statement. When Brown plundered your private pension what did you do? You know you've been shafted but rather than place the blame squarely where it's due (with the politicians and financial services sector) you prefer to criticise those people who are prepared to stand up for themselves. Instead of trying to drag down the public sector pensions to private levels we should be trying to raise the levels of the private sector. Join a union and stand up for your rights.[/p][/quote]You really are living in cloud cuckoo land...at a guess your Trade Unionist in Public Service. There are very few Final Salary Schemes left in the Private Sector...try looking at long term demographics and the cost of Pensions and come back when you can debate on an informed basis. Priceless.[/p][/quote]Oldwestbowling says Some of these comments are laughable. It takes a special kind of person to want to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Well there you go Whisky1 you are special kind of person, as well as jealous and bitter. Has YOUR username anything to do with it? Broadswordcalling
  • Score: 1

8:48am Fri 13 Jun 14

allinittogether says...

whisky1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BD16 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BD16 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
DDD999 wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.
Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too! What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so? Good luck to you sir.
Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/pensi ons/article-1692321/ Has-Labour-really-ra nsacked-our-pensions .html It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Oh, that's ok then. Brown did a Maxwell on my pension but I've to keep smiling and subsidising somebody for an early retirement have I? I think I can deduce two things from your statement. 1) you work in the public sector and 2) Your user name is applied selectively.
Far from it I paddle my own canoe, have done for 25 years and my user name is a comment on Cameron's ironic statement. When Brown plundered your private pension what did you do? You know you've been shafted but rather than place the blame squarely where it's due (with the politicians and financial services sector) you prefer to criticise those people who are prepared to stand up for themselves. Instead of trying to drag down the public sector pensions to private levels we should be trying to raise the levels of the private sector. Join a union and stand up for your rights.
You really are living in cloud cuckoo land...at a guess your Trade Unionist in Public Service. There are very few Final Salary Schemes left in the Private Sector...try looking at long term demographics and the cost of Pensions and come back when you can debate on an informed basis. Priceless.
Look at the billions we spend on wars we don't need to be involved in, look at the billions of pounds profits the financial services make that should be going into the policy holders funds and you tell me we cannot afford it?
It's a question of priorities, sadly you and your ilk prefer the market over people approach to society.
As I stated before I have run my own show for many years but still recognise the need for trades unions.
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DDD999[/bold] wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.[/p][/quote]Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too! What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so? Good luck to you sir.[/p][/quote]Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/pensi ons/article-1692321/ Has-Labour-really-ra nsacked-our-pensions .html It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?[/p][/quote]Two wrongs don't make a right.[/p][/quote]Oh, that's ok then. Brown did a Maxwell on my pension but I've to keep smiling and subsidising somebody for an early retirement have I? I think I can deduce two things from your statement. 1) you work in the public sector and 2) Your user name is applied selectively.[/p][/quote]Far from it I paddle my own canoe, have done for 25 years and my user name is a comment on Cameron's ironic statement. When Brown plundered your private pension what did you do? You know you've been shafted but rather than place the blame squarely where it's due (with the politicians and financial services sector) you prefer to criticise those people who are prepared to stand up for themselves. Instead of trying to drag down the public sector pensions to private levels we should be trying to raise the levels of the private sector. Join a union and stand up for your rights.[/p][/quote]You really are living in cloud cuckoo land...at a guess your Trade Unionist in Public Service. There are very few Final Salary Schemes left in the Private Sector...try looking at long term demographics and the cost of Pensions and come back when you can debate on an informed basis. Priceless.[/p][/quote]Look at the billions we spend on wars we don't need to be involved in, look at the billions of pounds profits the financial services make that should be going into the policy holders funds and you tell me we cannot afford it? It's a question of priorities, sadly you and your ilk prefer the market over people approach to society. As I stated before I have run my own show for many years but still recognise the need for trades unions. allinittogether
  • Score: -1

9:34am Fri 13 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

Broadswordcalling wrote:
whisky1 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BD16 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BD16 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
DDD999 wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.
Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too! What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so? Good luck to you sir.
Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/pensi ons/article-1692321/ Has-Labour-really-ra nsacked-our-pensions .html It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Oh, that's ok then. Brown did a Maxwell on my pension but I've to keep smiling and subsidising somebody for an early retirement have I? I think I can deduce two things from your statement. 1) you work in the public sector and 2) Your user name is applied selectively.
Far from it I paddle my own canoe, have done for 25 years and my user name is a comment on Cameron's ironic statement. When Brown plundered your private pension what did you do? You know you've been shafted but rather than place the blame squarely where it's due (with the politicians and financial services sector) you prefer to criticise those people who are prepared to stand up for themselves. Instead of trying to drag down the public sector pensions to private levels we should be trying to raise the levels of the private sector. Join a union and stand up for your rights.
You really are living in cloud cuckoo land...at a guess your Trade Unionist in Public Service. There are very few Final Salary Schemes left in the Private Sector...try looking at long term demographics and the cost of Pensions and come back when you can debate on an informed basis. Priceless.
Oldwestbowling says Some of these comments are laughable. It takes a special kind of person to want to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Well there you go Whisky1 you are special kind of person, as well as jealous and bitter. Has YOUR username anything to do with it?
I am well sorted financially through my own endeavour thanks and not at all bitter.There are many hard pressed taxpayers who are not.so fortunate You can squeal all you like preferential treatment for Public servants on Pensions will be gone within a generation. In that sense this is an unnecessary debate.. I quite understand that those who are to lose Pension rights are fed up but one final time to reiterate that does not make it fair on the population as a whole or economic. Goodbye and have a good weekend
[quote][p][bold]Broadswordcalling[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DDD999[/bold] wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.[/p][/quote]Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too! What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so? Good luck to you sir.[/p][/quote]Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/pensi ons/article-1692321/ Has-Labour-really-ra nsacked-our-pensions .html It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?[/p][/quote]Two wrongs don't make a right.[/p][/quote]Oh, that's ok then. Brown did a Maxwell on my pension but I've to keep smiling and subsidising somebody for an early retirement have I? I think I can deduce two things from your statement. 1) you work in the public sector and 2) Your user name is applied selectively.[/p][/quote]Far from it I paddle my own canoe, have done for 25 years and my user name is a comment on Cameron's ironic statement. When Brown plundered your private pension what did you do? You know you've been shafted but rather than place the blame squarely where it's due (with the politicians and financial services sector) you prefer to criticise those people who are prepared to stand up for themselves. Instead of trying to drag down the public sector pensions to private levels we should be trying to raise the levels of the private sector. Join a union and stand up for your rights.[/p][/quote]You really are living in cloud cuckoo land...at a guess your Trade Unionist in Public Service. There are very few Final Salary Schemes left in the Private Sector...try looking at long term demographics and the cost of Pensions and come back when you can debate on an informed basis. Priceless.[/p][/quote]Oldwestbowling says Some of these comments are laughable. It takes a special kind of person to want to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Well there you go Whisky1 you are special kind of person, as well as jealous and bitter. Has YOUR username anything to do with it?[/p][/quote]I am well sorted financially through my own endeavour thanks and not at all bitter.There are many hard pressed taxpayers who are not.so fortunate You can squeal all you like preferential treatment for Public servants on Pensions will be gone within a generation. In that sense this is an unnecessary debate.. I quite understand that those who are to lose Pension rights are fed up but one final time to reiterate that does not make it fair on the population as a whole or economic. Goodbye and have a good weekend whisky1
  • Score: 0

4:20pm Fri 13 Jun 14

BD16 says...

allinittogether wrote:
BD16 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
BD16 wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
DDD999 wrote:
The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes..

I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following:
pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year

with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be:
pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year.

Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to???

I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got .

To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.
Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too!
What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so?
Good luck to you sir.
Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon




ey.co.uk/money/pensi




ons/article-1692321/




Has-Labour-really-ra




nsacked-our-pensions




.html

It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Oh, that's ok then. Brown did a Maxwell on my pension but I've to keep smiling and subsidising somebody for an early retirement have I?

I think I can deduce two things from your statement. 1) you work in the public sector and 2) Your user name is applied selectively.
Far from it I paddle my own canoe, have done for 25 years and my user name is a comment on Cameron's ironic statement.
When Brown plundered your private pension what did you do? You know you've been shafted but rather than place the blame squarely where it's due (with the politicians and financial services sector) you prefer to criticise those people who are prepared to stand up for themselves.
Instead of trying to drag down the public sector pensions to private levels we should be trying to raise the levels of the private sector.
Join a union and stand up for your rights.
There's the problem. You say the private pensions should be increased to those of public sector workers. How? By expecting companies to increase their contributions? That would have been really good for the likes of Woolworths, Jessops etc. they'd have gone bust a sight sooner. I take your point about the financial services industry but unfortunately not all private enterprise has those margins to work on. And for what it's worth I blame Brown and Blair for that and a whole lot more, including the war that you mentioned.

I think you're missing the point here. I've heard the phrase "pensions crisis" on the news for years. People are living longer and so the pot they accumulate doesn't go as far, that means those on a guaranteed pension scheme are taking more for longer. Yet the last government did nothing to address this issue. Public sector pensions in their current form are no longer viable and change has been coming for years.

Haven't you noticed the deafening silence from Milliband over this? Labour know that something has to be done but after ducking the issue they are probably secretly delighted that the Tories are doing the dirty work they didn't fancy. Remember Blair's "think the unthinkable" look at benefits? He didn't have the balls to get the job done but even then he knew that our pensions and benefits system needed a major overhaul.

This shouldn't be about party politics, we need a sensible grown up debate about we should and shouldn't expect from the state. One thing that's near the top of the agenda will be the two tier pension system we currently that massively people who work in industries that have to generate income and those that spend taxpayers money.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DDD999[/bold] wrote: The reason im on strike is simple, when i joined the Fire Service i signed a contract that said work for 30 years and will get this pension. Now after 20 years the pension I signed up to or you could say was 'mis sold' is changing in massive ways. This is how much for me this changes.. I should have been able to retire after 30 years having had 3 promotions and holding a position of rank (so before you jump in these aren't the figures for a FireFighter) and paying 15.2% of my wage every month with the following: pension lump sum of £130,000 and £18,000 per year with the changes, if i still go after 30 years this will now be: pension lump sum £40,000 and £12,000 per year. Please tell me you would accept a £90,000 drop in your lump sum and £6,000 per year on the deal you signed up to??? I do have another option, I can now work 10 more years (so 40 years service) and pay another £60,000 into my pension and get what I should have. But thats an extra 10 years of my life and £60,000 paid in for the same as what i should have got . To me thats too much of a change in my conditions, theres the facts. No hype, no ill informed comments or judgement. This is how these changes affect the rest of my life and in turn the inheritance of my kids.[/p][/quote]Ah but according to many comments on here they've all bit the "sh@t sandwich" so you should too! What is it about some people's mentality that instead of standing up for their rights they'd rather roll over and then criticise those people who are not prepared to do so? Good luck to you sir.[/p][/quote]Have a read of this. http://www.thisismon ey.co.uk/money/pensi ons/article-1692321/ Has-Labour-really-ra nsacked-our-pensions .html It explains what Gordon Brown did to private pension funds when he was chancellor. Given that the private pension holders are having to work longer for less, don't you understand why people complain when public sector workers start complain?[/p][/quote]Two wrongs don't make a right.[/p][/quote]Oh, that's ok then. Brown did a Maxwell on my pension but I've to keep smiling and subsidising somebody for an early retirement have I? I think I can deduce two things from your statement. 1) you work in the public sector and 2) Your user name is applied selectively.[/p][/quote]Far from it I paddle my own canoe, have done for 25 years and my user name is a comment on Cameron's ironic statement. When Brown plundered your private pension what did you do? You know you've been shafted but rather than place the blame squarely where it's due (with the politicians and financial services sector) you prefer to criticise those people who are prepared to stand up for themselves. Instead of trying to drag down the public sector pensions to private levels we should be trying to raise the levels of the private sector. Join a union and stand up for your rights.[/p][/quote]There's the problem. You say the private pensions should be increased to those of public sector workers. How? By expecting companies to increase their contributions? That would have been really good for the likes of Woolworths, Jessops etc. they'd have gone bust a sight sooner. I take your point about the financial services industry but unfortunately not all private enterprise has those margins to work on. And for what it's worth I blame Brown and Blair for that and a whole lot more, including the war that you mentioned. I think you're missing the point here. I've heard the phrase "pensions crisis" on the news for years. People are living longer and so the pot they accumulate doesn't go as far, that means those on a guaranteed pension scheme are taking more for longer. Yet the last government did nothing to address this issue. Public sector pensions in their current form are no longer viable and change has been coming for years. Haven't you noticed the deafening silence from Milliband over this? Labour know that something has to be done but after ducking the issue they are probably secretly delighted that the Tories are doing the dirty work they didn't fancy. Remember Blair's "think the unthinkable" look at benefits? He didn't have the balls to get the job done but even then he knew that our pensions and benefits system needed a major overhaul. This shouldn't be about party politics, we need a sensible grown up debate about we should and shouldn't expect from the state. One thing that's near the top of the agenda will be the two tier pension system we currently that massively people who work in industries that have to generate income and those that spend taxpayers money. BD16
  • Score: 2

9:01pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Scouse bantam says...

After reading some of the comments posted about the fire fighters and the easy life they live, do these people not realise the amount of time they spend on exercises and training. They may have downtime when on nights but not during the day. They are fighting for what the contracts they signed offered. Would you like it if somebody borrowed a tenner and then said they will only pay you a fiver back.
Also these people would not think twice about calling the fire brigade if required, then heap praise on them for their actions.
After reading some of the comments posted about the fire fighters and the easy life they live, do these people not realise the amount of time they spend on exercises and training. They may have downtime when on nights but not during the day. They are fighting for what the contracts they signed offered. Would you like it if somebody borrowed a tenner and then said they will only pay you a fiver back. Also these people would not think twice about calling the fire brigade if required, then heap praise on them for their actions. Scouse bantam
  • Score: -2

5:37pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Class_War says...

No one is to blame but the Tories.
No one is to blame but the Tories. Class_War
  • Score: -4

1:45pm Mon 16 Jun 14

jjason1980 says...

This is resolved very simply - find another job. I don't see the problem with this solution (other than they won't find another job that pays so well, has such cosy conditions and the list goes on). There will be plenty of people behind you to replace you, who understand the pay and conditions, and will still be grateful for the opportunity to do your job. And bleating about lower wages etc - who isn't being squeezed? (I certainly am). If you don't like where you are - move.
You. are. not. a. tree.
This is resolved very simply - find another job. I don't see the problem with this solution (other than they won't find another job that pays so well, has such cosy conditions and the list goes on). There will be plenty of people behind you to replace you, who understand the pay and conditions, and will still be grateful for the opportunity to do your job. And bleating about lower wages etc - who isn't being squeezed? (I certainly am). If you don't like where you are - move. You. are. not. a. tree. jjason1980
  • Score: 0

1:30pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Class_War says...

@ jjason1980

So I take it you are going to voluntarily enter burning buildings to rescue people on a daily basis then? Thought not.
@ jjason1980 So I take it you are going to voluntarily enter burning buildings to rescue people on a daily basis then? Thought not. Class_War
  • Score: 0

1:31pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Class_War says...

I think I can safely say that I speak for the majority when I say that the British public support our Firemen in their struggle against the Tory scum.
I think I can safely say that I speak for the majority when I say that the British public support our Firemen in their struggle against the Tory scum. Class_War
  • Score: 0

3:46am Wed 18 Jun 14

khalidmalikbadass says...

They be given good job fireman then they strike ?? They lots of people in community willing to take this jobs
They be given good job fireman then they strike ?? They lots of people in community willing to take this jobs khalidmalikbadass
  • Score: 0

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