Bradford garage 'named and shamed' by Government over failure to pay minimum wage

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Business Minister Jenny Willott Business Minister Jenny Willott

Bosses at a Bradford garage have today been named and shamed by the Government for failing to pay an employee the national minimum wage.

Alan King and John King, of Arthur Simpson & Co, which operates in Highfield Road, Idle, are said to have been neglected to pay £6,426.12 to a worker.

The firm is among 25 employers, including a hire company, a hairdressers, a hotel and a shop, named as part of a new Government crackdown.

Between them, they owe workers more than £43,000 in arrears, and face fines totalling more than £21,000.

It is the biggest number of employers publicly named since a new regime was announced last year.

The Government also plans to increase fines, so that an employer underpaying ten workers could face penalties of up to £200,000.

Business Minister Jenny Willott said: "Paying less than the minimum wage is not only wrong, it's illegal. If employers break the law they need to know that they will face tough consequences.

"Any worker who is entitled to the minimum wage should receive it. If anyone suspects they are not being paid the wage they are legally entitled to they should call the Pay and Work Rights helpline on 0800 917 2368."

TUC general secretary Frances O'Grady said: "It's great that minimum wage crooks are finally getting named and shamed.

"Under-paying your lowest paid staff is immoral and illegal. Employers caught in the act deserve to be fined and have their reputation ruined.

"This should send a clear message that dodging the minimum wage does not pay. All minimum wage cheats should be named and shamed, and HMRC need greater resources to catch even more crooks."

No-one at Arthur Simpson & Co could be contacted by the Telegraph & Argus today.

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12:00pm Sun 8 Jun 14

idleone says...

Just down the road from me. Would never use them, never have. Shame on them. Many other reputable establishments in the village as an alternative.
Just down the road from me. Would never use them, never have. Shame on them. Many other reputable establishments in the village as an alternative. idleone
  • Score: 33

1:07pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Grumpygirl says...

This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’.

Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.
This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’. Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are. Grumpygirl
  • Score: 32

2:45pm Sun 8 Jun 14

baildongreen says...

Tip of the iceberg. The inspectors should have ventured inside the ring road.
Tip of the iceberg. The inspectors should have ventured inside the ring road. baildongreen
  • Score: 58

4:23pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Victor Clayton says...

Grumpygirl wrote:
This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’.

Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.
They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries.
[quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’. Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.[/p][/quote]They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 10

4:59pm Sun 8 Jun 14

micela22 says...

know lots of `employers` who pay `day rates` of £30 to people claiming benefits so they get cheap labour & don`t have to pay tax & NI. Also know people who will pay minimum wage only but the employee isn`t `on the books` When challenged & employee want`s job security it`s that they can`t afford to pay. The employers I know have very nice houses & very nice vehicles & have very good accountants so they also manage to get tax benefits. The whole system isn`t working.
know lots of `employers` who pay `day rates` of £30 to people claiming benefits so they get cheap labour & don`t have to pay tax & NI. Also know people who will pay minimum wage only but the employee isn`t `on the books` When challenged & employee want`s job security it`s that they can`t afford to pay. The employers I know have very nice houses & very nice vehicles & have very good accountants so they also manage to get tax benefits. The whole system isn`t working. micela22
  • Score: 22

6:32pm Sun 8 Jun 14

lanzaman says...

I agree, more transparency and investigation is required, to lift the lid on cash in hand jobs across bradford particularly, where people will accept lower cash offerings and benefits as well! Investigate that T&A!!
I agree, more transparency and investigation is required, to lift the lid on cash in hand jobs across bradford particularly, where people will accept lower cash offerings and benefits as well! Investigate that T&A!! lanzaman
  • Score: 19

6:49pm Sun 8 Jun 14

BantamMark says...

How much do taxi drivers earn? Just enough to entitle them to the maximum tax benefits and not a penny over- strange how a cash in hand job can do that, family work for the job centre and the stories they tell about people with cash in hand jobs is frightening.
How much do taxi drivers earn? Just enough to entitle them to the maximum tax benefits and not a penny over- strange how a cash in hand job can do that, family work for the job centre and the stories they tell about people with cash in hand jobs is frightening. BantamMark
  • Score: -2

7:11pm Sun 8 Jun 14

FinlandStation says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
Grumpygirl wrote:
This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’.

Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.
They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries.
I’m not sure what that has to do with the minimum wage. Do you normally have trouble keeping your mind focussed.

This report by the minister is simply cynical shop window dressing. This year under her guidance minimum wage inspections were down by 60% compared with when Labour was in power. In half the premises inspected workers were being exploited, clearly an indicator that more inspections were needed. The Government clearly doesn’t care too much about low wages and would prefer its friends and donors to make excess profits instead.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’. Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.[/p][/quote]They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries.[/p][/quote]I’m not sure what that has to do with the minimum wage. Do you normally have trouble keeping your mind focussed. This report by the minister is simply cynical shop window dressing. This year under her guidance minimum wage inspections were down by 60% compared with when Labour was in power. In half the premises inspected workers were being exploited, clearly an indicator that more inspections were needed. The Government clearly doesn’t care too much about low wages and would prefer its friends and donors to make excess profits instead. FinlandStation
  • Score: 18

7:16pm Sun 8 Jun 14

pcmanners says...

FinlandStation wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
Grumpygirl wrote:
This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’.

Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.
They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries.
I’m not sure what that has to do with the minimum wage. Do you normally have trouble keeping your mind focussed.

This report by the minister is simply cynical shop window dressing. This year under her guidance minimum wage inspections were down by 60% compared with when Labour was in power. In half the premises inspected workers were being exploited, clearly an indicator that more inspections were needed. The Government clearly doesn’t care too much about low wages and would prefer its friends and donors to make excess profits instead.
There should be no minimum wage. This is interfering with the market. Companies have a duty to their shareholders to make as much profit as possible by paying their workers as little as possible. The next parliament will abolish the minimum wage.
[quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’. Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.[/p][/quote]They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries.[/p][/quote]I’m not sure what that has to do with the minimum wage. Do you normally have trouble keeping your mind focussed. This report by the minister is simply cynical shop window dressing. This year under her guidance minimum wage inspections were down by 60% compared with when Labour was in power. In half the premises inspected workers were being exploited, clearly an indicator that more inspections were needed. The Government clearly doesn’t care too much about low wages and would prefer its friends and donors to make excess profits instead.[/p][/quote]There should be no minimum wage. This is interfering with the market. Companies have a duty to their shareholders to make as much profit as possible by paying their workers as little as possible. The next parliament will abolish the minimum wage. pcmanners
  • Score: -26

7:26pm Sun 8 Jun 14

sorrow&anger says...

Where is City Hall in all this? As a good socialist Cllr. Green should be doing his best to ensure that everybody in the City is paid the living wage not just the minimum wage. Yet Cllr. Green is strangely silent, for a change. Is it because he knows cheap labour is the only attraction this derelict “Producer City” of ours has when it comes to persuading companies to invest?
Where is City Hall in all this? As a good socialist Cllr. Green should be doing his best to ensure that everybody in the City is paid the living wage not just the minimum wage. Yet Cllr. Green is strangely silent, for a change. Is it because he knows cheap labour is the only attraction this derelict “Producer City” of ours has when it comes to persuading companies to invest? sorrow&anger
  • Score: 23

7:56pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Victor Clayton says...

FinlandStation wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
Grumpygirl wrote:
This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’.

Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.
They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries.
I’m not sure what that has to do with the minimum wage. Do you normally have trouble keeping your mind focussed.

This report by the minister is simply cynical shop window dressing. This year under her guidance minimum wage inspections were down by 60% compared with when Labour was in power. In half the premises inspected workers were being exploited, clearly an indicator that more inspections were needed. The Government clearly doesn’t care too much about low wages and would prefer its friends and donors to make excess profits instead.
Really I was just responding to the comment about the torys being hypocrites. I am sure that they are but I remember Tony Blair saying that we would be the generation that would not know war. So what does that make the Labour party?
[quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’. Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.[/p][/quote]They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries.[/p][/quote]I’m not sure what that has to do with the minimum wage. Do you normally have trouble keeping your mind focussed. This report by the minister is simply cynical shop window dressing. This year under her guidance minimum wage inspections were down by 60% compared with when Labour was in power. In half the premises inspected workers were being exploited, clearly an indicator that more inspections were needed. The Government clearly doesn’t care too much about low wages and would prefer its friends and donors to make excess profits instead.[/p][/quote]Really I was just responding to the comment about the torys being hypocrites. I am sure that they are but I remember Tony Blair saying that we would be the generation that would not know war. So what does that make the Labour party? Victor Clayton
  • Score: 16

8:07pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Grumpygirl says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
FinlandStation wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
Grumpygirl wrote:
This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’.

Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.
They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries.
I’m not sure what that has to do with the minimum wage. Do you normally have trouble keeping your mind focussed.

This report by the minister is simply cynical shop window dressing. This year under her guidance minimum wage inspections were down by 60% compared with when Labour was in power. In half the premises inspected workers were being exploited, clearly an indicator that more inspections were needed. The Government clearly doesn’t care too much about low wages and would prefer its friends and donors to make excess profits instead.
Really I was just responding to the comment about the torys being hypocrites. I am sure that they are but I remember Tony Blair saying that we would be the generation that would not know war. So what does that make the Labour party?
Very good point.

Blair was a Socialist pretending to be a Thatcherite just to get elected. Or maybe it was he other way round. Who knows. Either way he’s the biggest hypocrite in modern politics by a considerable and shameful margin.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’. Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.[/p][/quote]They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries.[/p][/quote]I’m not sure what that has to do with the minimum wage. Do you normally have trouble keeping your mind focussed. This report by the minister is simply cynical shop window dressing. This year under her guidance minimum wage inspections were down by 60% compared with when Labour was in power. In half the premises inspected workers were being exploited, clearly an indicator that more inspections were needed. The Government clearly doesn’t care too much about low wages and would prefer its friends and donors to make excess profits instead.[/p][/quote]Really I was just responding to the comment about the torys being hypocrites. I am sure that they are but I remember Tony Blair saying that we would be the generation that would not know war. So what does that make the Labour party?[/p][/quote]Very good point. Blair was a Socialist pretending to be a Thatcherite just to get elected. Or maybe it was he other way round. Who knows. Either way he’s the biggest hypocrite in modern politics by a considerable and shameful margin. Grumpygirl
  • Score: 20

8:11pm Sun 8 Jun 14

SurprisedByJoyce says...

idleone wrote:
Just down the road from me. Would never use them, never have. Shame on them. Many other reputable establishments in the village as an alternative.
Glad to hear you are boycotting them. I hope the rest of Idle does too. I often find that shoddy workmanship and financial trickery go together in a tradesman.
[quote][p][bold]idleone[/bold] wrote: Just down the road from me. Would never use them, never have. Shame on them. Many other reputable establishments in the village as an alternative.[/p][/quote]Glad to hear you are boycotting them. I hope the rest of Idle does too. I often find that shoddy workmanship and financial trickery go together in a tradesman. SurprisedByJoyce
  • Score: 22

8:43pm Sun 8 Jun 14

collos25 says...

pcmanners wrote:
FinlandStation wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
Grumpygirl wrote:
This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’.

Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.
They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries.
I’m not sure what that has to do with the minimum wage. Do you normally have trouble keeping your mind focussed.

This report by the minister is simply cynical shop window dressing. This year under her guidance minimum wage inspections were down by 60% compared with when Labour was in power. In half the premises inspected workers were being exploited, clearly an indicator that more inspections were needed. The Government clearly doesn’t care too much about low wages and would prefer its friends and donors to make excess profits instead.
There should be no minimum wage. This is interfering with the market. Companies have a duty to their shareholders to make as much profit as possible by paying their workers as little as possible. The next parliament will abolish the minimum wage.
Which planet do live on definitely no this one.
[quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’. Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.[/p][/quote]They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries.[/p][/quote]I’m not sure what that has to do with the minimum wage. Do you normally have trouble keeping your mind focussed. This report by the minister is simply cynical shop window dressing. This year under her guidance minimum wage inspections were down by 60% compared with when Labour was in power. In half the premises inspected workers were being exploited, clearly an indicator that more inspections were needed. The Government clearly doesn’t care too much about low wages and would prefer its friends and donors to make excess profits instead.[/p][/quote]There should be no minimum wage. This is interfering with the market. Companies have a duty to their shareholders to make as much profit as possible by paying their workers as little as possible. The next parliament will abolish the minimum wage.[/p][/quote]Which planet do live on definitely no this one. collos25
  • Score: 9

10:42pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
Grumpygirl wrote:
This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’.

Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.
They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries.
Grumpygirl certainly goes on a tangent.
The government have fined these people but Grumps goes back years.
But it's been sort.
Now for the next grump.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’. Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.[/p][/quote]They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries.[/p][/quote]Grumpygirl certainly goes on a tangent. The government have fined these people but Grumps goes back years. But it's been sort. Now for the next grump. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 4

1:19am Mon 9 Jun 14

BabyDave says...

pcmanners wrote:
FinlandStation wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
Grumpygirl wrote:
This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’.

Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.
They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries.
I’m not sure what that has to do with the minimum wage. Do you normally have trouble keeping your mind focussed.

This report by the minister is simply cynical shop window dressing. This year under her guidance minimum wage inspections were down by 60% compared with when Labour was in power. In half the premises inspected workers were being exploited, clearly an indicator that more inspections were needed. The Government clearly doesn’t care too much about low wages and would prefer its friends and donors to make excess profits instead.
There should be no minimum wage. This is interfering with the market. Companies have a duty to their shareholders to make as much profit as possible by paying their workers as little as possible. The next parliament will abolish the minimum wage.
OK PCManners - I was wondering - what happens in your head when you wake up? I sense you are from another world . . . .
[quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FinlandStation[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpygirl[/bold] wrote: This Tory Government should also be named and shamed since they, and their big business mates, were implacable opposed to the minimum wage when Labour introduced it in 1999. The Cons said it would ‘add to business costs and lead to job losses’. Yet here they are enforcing the law and fining people for non compliance. Can they have actually realised that paying people fairly is good for the country and the recovery? What a load of right wing hypocrites they are.[/p][/quote]They aren't perfect. But they have managed to avoid illegally invading any other countries.[/p][/quote]I’m not sure what that has to do with the minimum wage. Do you normally have trouble keeping your mind focussed. This report by the minister is simply cynical shop window dressing. This year under her guidance minimum wage inspections were down by 60% compared with when Labour was in power. In half the premises inspected workers were being exploited, clearly an indicator that more inspections were needed. The Government clearly doesn’t care too much about low wages and would prefer its friends and donors to make excess profits instead.[/p][/quote]There should be no minimum wage. This is interfering with the market. Companies have a duty to their shareholders to make as much profit as possible by paying their workers as little as possible. The next parliament will abolish the minimum wage.[/p][/quote]OK PCManners - I was wondering - what happens in your head when you wake up? I sense you are from another world . . . . BabyDave
  • Score: -3

10:42am Mon 9 Jun 14

Quintilian says...

I remember when the council once put out an advert to employ but one person to investigate working conditions and employee rights across Bradford. I also remember listening to a researcher harp on about racism and the fact that Bradford's minority ethnic groups got a raw deal in terms of wages. The guy went silent when I told him that the worst offenders are taxi ranks owned by his identified ethnic groupings and whom were exploiting 'their own', to use his own terminology.

The Council knows all about this and how widespread illegal low pay is but it won't do anything about it because a lot of businesses would be put out of business. It has been the only way Bradford has been able to keep its economy and services going and this predates the so called recession. Positive Bradford they say, my arse.
I remember when the council once put out an advert to employ but one person to investigate working conditions and employee rights across Bradford. I also remember listening to a researcher harp on about racism and the fact that Bradford's minority ethnic groups got a raw deal in terms of wages. The guy went silent when I told him that the worst offenders are taxi ranks owned by his identified ethnic groupings and whom were exploiting 'their own', to use his own terminology. The Council knows all about this and how widespread illegal low pay is but it won't do anything about it because a lot of businesses would be put out of business. It has been the only way Bradford has been able to keep its economy and services going and this predates the so called recession. Positive Bradford they say, my arse. Quintilian
  • Score: -2

1:09pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Apollo says...

Have we had a comment from the garage today, presumably when they are open? Have the T&A contacted them today?
Have we had a comment from the garage today, presumably when they are open? Have the T&A contacted them today? Apollo
  • Score: 1

2:13pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Haji says...

If you think this is the only garage paying less than NMW then I challenge you to find me 10 garages that do actually pay the legal rates. I mean small family businesses and not Kwik-Fit and the like.

The garage I use pays workers £2.50 an hour and they only declare working less than 16 hours. That way the workers can either sign on or claim work related tax benefits. They end up working 50 hours a week just to make £125 and then have to claim the rest.

I spoke to a couple of the workers and they said what choice do they have as all garages do this. Sad state of affairs
If you think this is the only garage paying less than NMW then I challenge you to find me 10 garages that do actually pay the legal rates. I mean small family businesses and not Kwik-Fit and the like. The garage I use pays workers £2.50 an hour and they only declare working less than 16 hours. That way the workers can either sign on or claim work related tax benefits. They end up working 50 hours a week just to make £125 and then have to claim the rest. I spoke to a couple of the workers and they said what choice do they have as all garages do this. Sad state of affairs Haji
  • Score: 5

4:35pm Mon 9 Jun 14

BCFC1911 says...

micela22 wrote:
know lots of `employers` who pay `day rates` of £30 to people claiming benefits so they get cheap labour & don`t have to pay tax & NI. Also know people who will pay minimum wage only but the employee isn`t `on the books` When challenged & employee want`s job security it`s that they can`t afford to pay. The employers I know have very nice houses & very nice vehicles & have very good accountants so they also manage to get tax benefits. The whole system isn`t working.
Well if you "know" all these people maybe you should report them
[quote][p][bold]micela22[/bold] wrote: know lots of `employers` who pay `day rates` of £30 to people claiming benefits so they get cheap labour & don`t have to pay tax & NI. Also know people who will pay minimum wage only but the employee isn`t `on the books` When challenged & employee want`s job security it`s that they can`t afford to pay. The employers I know have very nice houses & very nice vehicles & have very good accountants so they also manage to get tax benefits. The whole system isn`t working.[/p][/quote]Well if you "know" all these people maybe you should report them BCFC1911
  • Score: 5

4:45pm Mon 9 Jun 14

BCFC1911 says...

Haji wrote:
If you think this is the only garage paying less than NMW then I challenge you to find me 10 garages that do actually pay the legal rates. I mean small family businesses and not Kwik-Fit and the like.

The garage I use pays workers £2.50 an hour and they only declare working less than 16 hours. That way the workers can either sign on or claim work related tax benefits. They end up working 50 hours a week just to make £125 and then have to claim the rest.

I spoke to a couple of the workers and they said what choice do they have as all garages do this. Sad state of affairs
If that is the case why have you not reported this garage ?
[quote][p][bold]Haji[/bold] wrote: If you think this is the only garage paying less than NMW then I challenge you to find me 10 garages that do actually pay the legal rates. I mean small family businesses and not Kwik-Fit and the like. The garage I use pays workers £2.50 an hour and they only declare working less than 16 hours. That way the workers can either sign on or claim work related tax benefits. They end up working 50 hours a week just to make £125 and then have to claim the rest. I spoke to a couple of the workers and they said what choice do they have as all garages do this. Sad state of affairs[/p][/quote]If that is the case why have you not reported this garage ? BCFC1911
  • Score: 5

8:15pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Haji says...

I haven't said I haven't reported the garage. Assume nothing !
I haven't said I haven't reported the garage. Assume nothing ! Haji
  • Score: 3

8:26pm Mon 9 Jun 14

micela22 says...

BCFC1911: I haven`t reported it because I`m not responsible for anyone else who chooses to cheat the system. I choose not to: basically because i was brought up with a moral code that was instilled by my family. Live & Let Live, i also believe in Karma. I can`t change the systems (Benefits/ PAYE etc) The systems, and in some cases the people who operate them, are either corrupt, inefficient or open to corruption. Bosses of many organisations are profit driven and couldn`t care less about employees on NMW. People that I know who are being paid low know that if they don`t do it there`s plenty out there that would & if they ask for more the `bosses` tell them to walk
BCFC1911: I haven`t reported it because I`m not responsible for anyone else who chooses to cheat the system. I choose not to: basically because i was brought up with a moral code that was instilled by my family. Live & Let Live, i also believe in Karma. I can`t change the systems (Benefits/ PAYE etc) The systems, and in some cases the people who operate them, are either corrupt, inefficient or open to corruption. Bosses of many organisations are profit driven and couldn`t care less about employees on NMW. People that I know who are being paid low know that if they don`t do it there`s plenty out there that would & if they ask for more the `bosses` tell them to walk micela22
  • Score: -2

9:13pm Mon 9 Jun 14

allinittogether says...

micela22 wrote:
BCFC1911: I haven`t reported it because I`m not responsible for anyone else who chooses to cheat the system. I choose not to: basically because i was brought up with a moral code that was instilled by my family. Live & Let Live, i also believe in Karma. I can`t change the systems (Benefits/ PAYE etc) The systems, and in some cases the people who operate them, are either corrupt, inefficient or open to corruption. Bosses of many organisations are profit driven and couldn`t care less about employees on NMW. People that I know who are being paid low know that if they don`t do it there`s plenty out there that would & if they ask for more the `bosses` tell them to walk
Live & Let Live aka Turn a Blind Eye. Some moral code that, are we supposed to applaud your integrity?
[quote][p][bold]micela22[/bold] wrote: BCFC1911: I haven`t reported it because I`m not responsible for anyone else who chooses to cheat the system. I choose not to: basically because i was brought up with a moral code that was instilled by my family. Live & Let Live, i also believe in Karma. I can`t change the systems (Benefits/ PAYE etc) The systems, and in some cases the people who operate them, are either corrupt, inefficient or open to corruption. Bosses of many organisations are profit driven and couldn`t care less about employees on NMW. People that I know who are being paid low know that if they don`t do it there`s plenty out there that would & if they ask for more the `bosses` tell them to walk[/p][/quote]Live & Let Live aka Turn a Blind Eye. Some moral code that, are we supposed to applaud your integrity? allinittogether
  • Score: 6

8:54am Tue 10 Jun 14

BCFC1911 says...

allinittogether wrote:
micela22 wrote:
BCFC1911: I haven`t reported it because I`m not responsible for anyone else who chooses to cheat the system. I choose not to: basically because i was brought up with a moral code that was instilled by my family. Live & Let Live, i also believe in Karma. I can`t change the systems (Benefits/ PAYE etc) The systems, and in some cases the people who operate them, are either corrupt, inefficient or open to corruption. Bosses of many organisations are profit driven and couldn`t care less about employees on NMW. People that I know who are being paid low know that if they don`t do it there`s plenty out there that would & if they ask for more the `bosses` tell them to walk
Live & Let Live aka Turn a Blind Eye. Some moral code that, are we supposed to applaud your integrity?
So you didnt report because because you beleive in Karma?

I can only imagine the utopia in your head. Kill someone....its ok because Karma will get ya....Become a terrorist...why not because Karma will get ya.

The top and bottom of it is if you know about a crime being committed you should report it
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micela22[/bold] wrote: BCFC1911: I haven`t reported it because I`m not responsible for anyone else who chooses to cheat the system. I choose not to: basically because i was brought up with a moral code that was instilled by my family. Live & Let Live, i also believe in Karma. I can`t change the systems (Benefits/ PAYE etc) The systems, and in some cases the people who operate them, are either corrupt, inefficient or open to corruption. Bosses of many organisations are profit driven and couldn`t care less about employees on NMW. People that I know who are being paid low know that if they don`t do it there`s plenty out there that would & if they ask for more the `bosses` tell them to walk[/p][/quote]Live & Let Live aka Turn a Blind Eye. Some moral code that, are we supposed to applaud your integrity?[/p][/quote]So you didnt report because because you beleive in Karma? I can only imagine the utopia in your head. Kill someone....its ok because Karma will get ya....Become a terrorist...why not because Karma will get ya. The top and bottom of it is if you know about a crime being committed you should report it BCFC1911
  • Score: 2

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