Rival bidders put in their plans for The Odeon

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: The Bradford One bidders The Bradford One bidders

It’s showdown time for two rival groups battling to breathe new life into Bradford’s landmark Odeon building.

Rival bidders Bradford One and Bradford Live, who both want to turn the former cinema into a live venue, officially handed over their detailed bids to Bradford Council yesterday.

Bradford Council, which owns the building, will now put both shortlisted plans through a rigorous testing process before making a final decision in November.

Members of Bradford One, which has plans for a glass-fronted live venue, staged an eye-catching stunt as they handed over their bid. Local arts group Hugh Jart had constructed a giant figure ‘one’ on wheels, painted in the group’s signature pink.

Board member Kate Wellham, who had organised the get-together, said the arts group had spent all night making the sculpture.

She said: “They have been really supportive of us. They create art for festivals all over the world – it is just one example of the talent we have got in Bradford.”

Bradford Live’s handover was a little more muted, with director Lee Craven visiting City Hall personally to present his plans.

His group wants to turn the Odeon into a large, commercially-run live music venue capable of attracting major artists.

Mr Craven said feedback on their plans had been overwhelmingly positive.

He said: “There is no doubt that a venue of this size – 4,000 capacity – has genuine appeal for today’s music industry. Bradford has always had the demand for live music, but not the right venue.

“Our plans for the Odeon would make Bradford a regular fixture on the national touring circuit; attracting big names to the city.”

He said they were in advanced discussions with an international operator, who couldn’t yet be identified, and said he was “cautiously optimistic” about their bid.

Gideon Seymour, chairman of Bradford One, said its alternative plan would create an “indoor version” of City Park capable of drawing visitors day and night.

He said live music venues were often completely closed during the day, but Bradford One’s plan was different.

He said: “What we want to do is open it up, so it is open seven days a week, with restaurants and cafe bars.

“We would be creating a public space, so it actually becomes a centre-point of the city centre – the indoor version, if you like, of City Park.”

He said, in time, the group hoped the venue would generate substantial profits, which would be reinvested in other cultural projects in Bradford.

And Mr Seymour said he was confident the £20 million project had a sound financial foundation. He said a site behind the building could be sold off for a 312-bed student accommodation block, with the money used to part-fund the renovation.

Earlier this year, both bids made it through an initial round of Council testing, where a third plan to turn the building into a pool and leisure complex fell.

To get through that stage, the groups had to score 51 per cent or above on a range of criteria.

This second stage has a higher 70 per cent threshold, and each plan will have to answer two key questions: is there a market for their proposal, and will it pay its way?

The plan, or plans, making it through are expected to be revealed in July. They will then be asked to submit even more detailed proposals before a final decision is taken by the Council's Executive in November.

Councillor David Green, leader of the Council, said: “I am delighted we have still got two active bids. The business cases will now be assessed and I hope that one or both of them proves to be deliverable and that we will be making a final decision later on this year.”

Bradford Chamber of Commerce has wished both bids well, saying bringing the site back into use would be a major boost for the city.

President Paul Mackie said: “This is a key site in the centre of Bradford – it’s quite astonishing that its neglect has lasted so long; so it’s great that these schemes will now be finally decided upon.

“To bring the site back into use will, of course, help with image, footfall and overall regeneration. It will offer more leisure facilities for local people as well as attract non-locals in, hopefully.

“We don’t back one bid over the other – we wish them both good luck.”

THE BRADFORD LIVE PLANS:

  • Bradford Live is a group of consultants, architects and engineers led by Bradford businessman Lee Craven.
  • It wants to turn the Odeon into a large commercially-run live music venue, which would be the third largest in Yorkshire after the arenas in Sheffield and Leeds.
  • To fund the renovation, the group would use a mixture of public and private money, similar to funding models used for the Leeds Arena and York Barbican.
  • Once completed, the venue would be run by a commercial operator.
  • The capacity of the main auditorium would be around 3,500 seated or 4,000 with standing in the stalls. The exact number of seats is yet to be finalised.

THE BRADFORD ONE PLANS

  • Bradford One is a community benefit society led by chairman Gideon Seymour, who is the director of Bradford arts development organisation Fabric.
  • The group wants to turn the Odeon into a large music and events venue with restaurants, cafe bars and shops. The building would be given a triple-height glass facade.
  • To fund the development, the group would bid for public grants. It would also sell off land behind the building for student accommodation to part-fund the work.
  • Once completed, the anticipated profits of £1m a year would be reinvested into other arts and community projects in Bradford.
  • The capacity of the main auditorium would be around 2,487 seated or 3,107 with standing in the stalls.

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8:39am Sat 31 May 14

keep the faith ✊ says...

It would make a lovely mosque 🙏
It would make a lovely mosque 🙏 keep the faith ✊
  • Score: 41

8:49am Sat 31 May 14

pcmanners says...

A triumph for common sense, private enterprise and capitalism. For years all Councillor Green and his socialist friends wanted to do was demolish the Odeon. What a hypocrite!
A triumph for common sense, private enterprise and capitalism. For years all Councillor Green and his socialist friends wanted to do was demolish the Odeon. What a hypocrite! pcmanners
  • Score: 20

8:51am Sat 31 May 14

pcmanners says...

keep the faith ✊ wrote:
It would make a lovely mosque 🙏
Hi Faith, How did you get the symbol into your post? Looks great. - PC
[quote][p][bold]keep the faith ✊[/bold] wrote: It would make a lovely mosque 🙏[/p][/quote]Hi Faith, How did you get the symbol into your post? Looks great. - PC pcmanners
  • Score: -7

8:59am Sat 31 May 14

keep the faith ✊ says...

pcmanners wrote:
keep the faith ✊ wrote:
It would make a lovely mosque 🙏
Hi Faith, How did you get the symbol into your post? Looks great. - PC
It's an app called EMOJI, there's loads of symbols & smilies on it 👍🍻🇬🇧
[quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keep the faith ✊[/bold] wrote: It would make a lovely mosque 🙏[/p][/quote]Hi Faith, How did you get the symbol into your post? Looks great. - PC[/p][/quote]It's an app called EMOJI, there's loads of symbols & smilies on it 👍🍻🇬🇧 keep the faith ✊
  • Score: -6

9:22am Sat 31 May 14

linebacker2 says...

keep the faith ✊ wrote:
It would make a lovely mosque 🙏
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[quote][p][bold]keep the faith ✊[/bold] wrote: It would make a lovely mosque 🙏[/p][/quote]ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz z................ linebacker2
  • Score: 21

9:33am Sat 31 May 14

Avro says...

How come this was not reported yesterday? BBC Radio Leeds was on the spot reporting this news from 8am yesterday.
How come this was not reported yesterday? BBC Radio Leeds was on the spot reporting this news from 8am yesterday. Avro
  • Score: 9

10:22am Sat 31 May 14

bcfc1903 says...

Good luck Lee, you've got by far the best idea for the Odeon building. A capacity of 3,500 to 4,000 is a must for a city of 523,000 folk, looking at the pictures of how it will look really does give a great impression of the Bradford Live Music venue and how it would sit in that area full of venues for theatre and film. Great Idea from a fantastic Bradfordian!!!! All the best!!!!!
Good luck Lee, you've got by far the best idea for the Odeon building. A capacity of 3,500 to 4,000 is a must for a city of 523,000 folk, looking at the pictures of how it will look really does give a great impression of the Bradford Live Music venue and how it would sit in that area full of venues for theatre and film. Great Idea from a fantastic Bradfordian!!!! All the best!!!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: 16

10:43am Sat 31 May 14

pcmanners says...

keep the faith ✊ wrote:
pcmanners wrote:
keep the faith ✊ wrote:
It would make a lovely mosque 🙏
Hi Faith, How did you get the symbol into your post? Looks great. - PC
It's an app called EMOJI, there's loads of symbols & smilies on it 👍🍻🇬🇧
Thank you. - PC
[quote][p][bold]keep the faith ✊[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keep the faith ✊[/bold] wrote: It would make a lovely mosque 🙏[/p][/quote]Hi Faith, How did you get the symbol into your post? Looks great. - PC[/p][/quote]It's an app called EMOJI, there's loads of symbols & smilies on it 👍🍻🇬🇧[/p][/quote]Thank you. - PC pcmanners
  • Score: -9

11:07am Sat 31 May 14

Count Jim Moriarty says...

pcmanners wrote:
keep the faith ✊ wrote:
pcmanners wrote:
keep the faith ✊ wrote:
It would make a lovely mosque 🙏
Hi Faith, How did you get the symbol into your post? Looks great. - PC
It's an app called EMOJI, there's loads of symbols & smilies on it 👍🍻🇬🇧
Thank you. - PC
Pity you can't spend a bit more time composing constructive posts instead of cheap, snide nastiness.
[quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keep the faith ✊[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keep the faith ✊[/bold] wrote: It would make a lovely mosque 🙏[/p][/quote]Hi Faith, How did you get the symbol into your post? Looks great. - PC[/p][/quote]It's an app called EMOJI, there's loads of symbols & smilies on it 👍🍻🇬🇧[/p][/quote]Thank you. - PC[/p][/quote]Pity you can't spend a bit more time composing constructive posts instead of cheap, snide nastiness. Count Jim Moriarty
  • Score: 15

12:19pm Sat 31 May 14

pcmanners says...

Count Jim Moriarty wrote:
pcmanners wrote:
keep the faith ✊ wrote:
pcmanners wrote:
keep the faith ✊ wrote:
It would make a lovely mosque 🙏
Hi Faith, How did you get the symbol into your post? Looks great. - PC
It's an app called EMOJI, there's loads of symbols & smilies on it 👍🍻🇬🇧
Thank you. - PC
Pity you can't spend a bit more time composing constructive posts instead of cheap, snide nastiness.
I have always understood that right thinking about the market driven economy will never be popular with socialist chavs who think the world owes them a living.
[quote][p][bold]Count Jim Moriarty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keep the faith ✊[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keep the faith ✊[/bold] wrote: It would make a lovely mosque 🙏[/p][/quote]Hi Faith, How did you get the symbol into your post? Looks great. - PC[/p][/quote]It's an app called EMOJI, there's loads of symbols & smilies on it 👍🍻🇬🇧[/p][/quote]Thank you. - PC[/p][/quote]Pity you can't spend a bit more time composing constructive posts instead of cheap, snide nastiness.[/p][/quote]I have always understood that right thinking about the market driven economy will never be popular with socialist chavs who think the world owes them a living. pcmanners
  • Score: -11

12:34pm Sat 31 May 14

BierleyBoy says...

How is Bradford Council in any way capable of assessing a business case? They proved this ability is beyond them when assessing the OK Bulls business case when deciding it was so robust it was worth £200k of public money which is still outstanding.

Any scheme reliant entirely on public funds is a non starter. At least one of them has some private capital being invested. Has to be the winner.

Personally don't believe either will work, the site should be cleared and this sorry saga brought to an end once and for all.
How is Bradford Council in any way capable of assessing a business case? They proved this ability is beyond them when assessing the OK Bulls business case when deciding it was so robust it was worth £200k of public money which is still outstanding. Any scheme reliant entirely on public funds is a non starter. At least one of them has some private capital being invested. Has to be the winner. Personally don't believe either will work, the site should be cleared and this sorry saga brought to an end once and for all. BierleyBoy
  • Score: -15

1:00pm Sat 31 May 14

Mr_Army says...

I can't comment on the economic viability of either scheme, however from a practical point of view a touring production for a venue of 4000 capacity will typically have from 4 to 6 articulated trucks and 2 to 4 sleeper coaches. Bradford Ones plan to sell off the land behind the Odeon for student housing blocks worries me. Without the facilities to accommodate all these vehicles - which need large turning circles - productions will avoid coming here.
I can't comment on the economic viability of either scheme, however from a practical point of view a touring production for a venue of 4000 capacity will typically have from 4 to 6 articulated trucks and 2 to 4 sleeper coaches. Bradford Ones plan to sell off the land behind the Odeon for student housing blocks worries me. Without the facilities to accommodate all these vehicles - which need large turning circles - productions will avoid coming here. Mr_Army
  • Score: 19

1:02pm Sat 31 May 14

schroeder says...

Either would be great for the city. Win Win!
Either would be great for the city. Win Win! schroeder
  • Score: 10

1:39pm Sat 31 May 14

andrewbradford says...

Mr_Army wrote:
I can't comment on the economic viability of either scheme, however from a practical point of view a touring production for a venue of 4000 capacity will typically have from 4 to 6 articulated trucks and 2 to 4 sleeper coaches. Bradford Ones plan to sell off the land behind the Odeon for student housing blocks worries me. Without the facilities to accommodate all these vehicles - which need large turning circles - productions will avoid coming here.
The Bradford Live Bid seems to be the most commercially viable and best by far.
Bradford One seem to be relying on a lot of grants and public funds. Their plan to sell off the land behind the Odeon is also worrying and poorly thought out. Recently a planning application to turn a former night club near the Odeon was rejected for a number of reasons and it would be extremely unlikely that planning permission for accommodation/studen
t flats would be granted so close to a live music venue.
It's great that there are 2 bids still in contention and hopefully one of the will be able to make a success of the building as it is clearly an important building to a lot of Bradfordians.
[quote][p][bold]Mr_Army[/bold] wrote: I can't comment on the economic viability of either scheme, however from a practical point of view a touring production for a venue of 4000 capacity will typically have from 4 to 6 articulated trucks and 2 to 4 sleeper coaches. Bradford Ones plan to sell off the land behind the Odeon for student housing blocks worries me. Without the facilities to accommodate all these vehicles - which need large turning circles - productions will avoid coming here.[/p][/quote]The Bradford Live Bid seems to be the most commercially viable and best by far. Bradford One seem to be relying on a lot of grants and public funds. Their plan to sell off the land behind the Odeon is also worrying and poorly thought out. Recently a planning application to turn a former night club near the Odeon was rejected for a number of reasons and it would be extremely unlikely that planning permission for accommodation/studen t flats would be granted so close to a live music venue. It's great that there are 2 bids still in contention and hopefully one of the will be able to make a success of the building as it is clearly an important building to a lot of Bradfordians. andrewbradford
  • Score: 14

4:34pm Sat 31 May 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out.

So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so.

There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this.

Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety,
environmental health to name a few.
They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem.

Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor.

Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed.
That will mean more cars.

It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it.
Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out. So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so. There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this. Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety, environmental health to name a few. They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem. Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor. Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed. That will mean more cars. It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -6

5:52pm Sat 31 May 14

monobrow man says...

Both need council grants to make it work, does nobody have there own money anymore this could end up like the debacle at odsal
Both need council grants to make it work, does nobody have there own money anymore this could end up like the debacle at odsal monobrow man
  • Score: 1

7:22pm Sat 31 May 14

bigbeast13 says...

keep the faith ✊ wrote:
pcmanners wrote:
keep the faith ✊ wrote:
It would make a lovely mosque 🙏
Hi Faith, How did you get the symbol into your post? Looks great. - PC
It's an app called EMOJI, there's loads of symbols & smilies on it 👍🍻🇬🇧
It will be a mosque
[quote][p][bold]keep the faith ✊[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pcmanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keep the faith ✊[/bold] wrote: It would make a lovely mosque 🙏[/p][/quote]Hi Faith, How did you get the symbol into your post? Looks great. - PC[/p][/quote]It's an app called EMOJI, there's loads of symbols & smilies on it 👍🍻🇬🇧[/p][/quote]It will be a mosque bigbeast13
  • Score: -11

7:27pm Sat 31 May 14

bigbeast13 says...

It wil roll on for years like the hole then be full of curry houses
It wil roll on for years like the hole then be full of curry houses bigbeast13
  • Score: -6

8:12pm Sat 31 May 14

andrewbradford says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out.

So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so.

There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this.

Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety,
environmental health to name a few.
They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem.

Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor.

Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed.
That will mean more cars.

It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it.
I do not see how an application to turn the former nightclub into accommodation could be approved unless some of the night clubs and takeaways close down.
The application was refused due to a number of reasons, some being the noise from the nearby Love Apple and clubs up the road. Not sure who would really want to live there given that there is more than enough student accommodation available in Bradford.
I also seem to remember that some of the student accommodation chains were struggling to fill the existing halls and flats quite recently too. Given that many of the university's students come from Bradford and that the government has been discouraging overseas students, it does not seem likely that demand will rise either,

It would be great if the Odeon could be back into use as a music venue though adding to the night time economy in that part of town.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out. So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so. There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this. Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety, environmental health to name a few. They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem. Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor. Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed. That will mean more cars. It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it.[/p][/quote]I do not see how an application to turn the former nightclub into accommodation could be approved unless some of the night clubs and takeaways close down. The application was refused due to a number of reasons, some being the noise from the nearby Love Apple and clubs up the road. Not sure who would really want to live there given that there is more than enough student accommodation available in Bradford. I also seem to remember that some of the student accommodation chains were struggling to fill the existing halls and flats quite recently too. Given that many of the university's students come from Bradford and that the government has been discouraging overseas students, it does not seem likely that demand will rise either, It would be great if the Odeon could be back into use as a music venue though adding to the night time economy in that part of town. andrewbradford
  • Score: 11

8:21pm Sat 31 May 14

andrewbradford says...

andrewbradford wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out.

So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so.

There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this.

Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety,
environmental health to name a few.
They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem.

Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor.

Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed.
That will mean more cars.

It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it.
I do not see how an application to turn the former nightclub into accommodation could be approved unless some of the night clubs and takeaways close down.
The application was refused due to a number of reasons, some being the noise from the nearby Love Apple and clubs up the road. Not sure who would really want to live there given that there is more than enough student accommodation available in Bradford.
I also seem to remember that some of the student accommodation chains were struggling to fill the existing halls and flats quite recently too. Given that many of the university's students come from Bradford and that the government has been discouraging overseas students, it does not seem likely that demand will rise either,

It would be great if the Odeon could be back into use as a music venue though adding to the night time economy in that part of town.
In an ideal world the inner city ring road that is strangling the city would be re-routed.
I do not understand why the council still have not considered re-routing the ring road given that 2 of the world's most prominent architects, Richard Rogers and Will Alsop (who drew up a masterplan for the city) have argued that the current ring road is strangling the city, cutting off the Alhambra, Odeon, University, Media Museum and even the old Sunwin House Department store.
[quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out. So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so. There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this. Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety, environmental health to name a few. They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem. Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor. Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed. That will mean more cars. It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it.[/p][/quote]I do not see how an application to turn the former nightclub into accommodation could be approved unless some of the night clubs and takeaways close down. The application was refused due to a number of reasons, some being the noise from the nearby Love Apple and clubs up the road. Not sure who would really want to live there given that there is more than enough student accommodation available in Bradford. I also seem to remember that some of the student accommodation chains were struggling to fill the existing halls and flats quite recently too. Given that many of the university's students come from Bradford and that the government has been discouraging overseas students, it does not seem likely that demand will rise either, It would be great if the Odeon could be back into use as a music venue though adding to the night time economy in that part of town.[/p][/quote]In an ideal world the inner city ring road that is strangling the city would be re-routed. I do not understand why the council still have not considered re-routing the ring road given that 2 of the world's most prominent architects, Richard Rogers and Will Alsop (who drew up a masterplan for the city) have argued that the current ring road is strangling the city, cutting off the Alhambra, Odeon, University, Media Museum and even the old Sunwin House Department store. andrewbradford
  • Score: 14

8:26pm Sat 31 May 14

andrewbradford says...

monobrow man wrote:
Both need council grants to make it work, does nobody have there own money anymore this could end up like the debacle at odsal
It may be possible to make the Bradford Live bid work. The council stepped in to give a loan to the developers to complete the Southgate Complex and that seems to be doing ok.
[quote][p][bold]monobrow man[/bold] wrote: Both need council grants to make it work, does nobody have there own money anymore this could end up like the debacle at odsal[/p][/quote]It may be possible to make the Bradford Live bid work. The council stepped in to give a loan to the developers to complete the Southgate Complex and that seems to be doing ok. andrewbradford
  • Score: 4

9:17pm Sat 31 May 14

Quintilian says...

I hope the Bradford One bid wins. Their proposed use of the space for multiple uses decreases risk whilst also proposing to keep any potential revenue stream in Bradford. Like most national and international commercial operators, there would always be a net loss of money to the city. The Bradford One bid is more sound in terms of giving back to Bradford and utilising the city's cultural goods. again, a 'commercial operator' is unlikely to give back as much and will rely on the more bland artists. There is a reason why the commercial operator is not being named.
I hope the Bradford One bid wins. Their proposed use of the space for multiple uses decreases risk whilst also proposing to keep any potential revenue stream in Bradford. Like most national and international commercial operators, there would always be a net loss of money to the city. The Bradford One bid is more sound in terms of giving back to Bradford and utilising the city's cultural goods. again, a 'commercial operator' is unlikely to give back as much and will rely on the more bland artists. There is a reason why the commercial operator is not being named. Quintilian
  • Score: -9

12:59am Sun 1 Jun 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

It means taking out the whole block Andrew.
A third option is to flatten it if a viable deal can't be achieved but the council will want to keep onside with the voters so they'll hope the funding is aproved.
It means taking out the whole block Andrew. A third option is to flatten it if a viable deal can't be achieved but the council will want to keep onside with the voters so they'll hope the funding is aproved. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 0

1:17am Sun 1 Jun 14

bd7 helper says...

Make bradford busy again
Make bradford busy again bd7 helper
  • Score: 2

8:52am Sun 1 Jun 14

sorrow&anger says...

andrewbradford wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out.

So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so.

There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this.

Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety,
environmental health to name a few.
They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem.

Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor.

Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed.
That will mean more cars.

It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it.
I do not see how an application to turn the former nightclub into accommodation could be approved unless some of the night clubs and takeaways close down.
The application was refused due to a number of reasons, some being the noise from the nearby Love Apple and clubs up the road. Not sure who would really want to live there given that there is more than enough student accommodation available in Bradford.
I also seem to remember that some of the student accommodation chains were struggling to fill the existing halls and flats quite recently too. Given that many of the university's students come from Bradford and that the government has been discouraging overseas students, it does not seem likely that demand will rise either,

It would be great if the Odeon could be back into use as a music venue though adding to the night time economy in that part of town.
In an ideal world the inner city ring road that is strangling the city would be re-routed.
I do not understand why the council still have not considered re-routing the ring road given that 2 of the world's most prominent architects, Richard Rogers and Will Alsop (who drew up a masterplan for the city) have argued that the current ring road is strangling the city, cutting off the Alhambra, Odeon, University, Media Museum and even the old Sunwin House Department store.
In a city noted for its bad decision making it's universally acknowledged that the inner ringroad was one of the worst. However, please let's leave it where it is. Rerouting will give the Council vandals an opportunity to knock down even more of what's left of Bradford. Don't give these twerps a chance.

What is needed is an imaginative wide pedestrian bridge or crossing (like the millennium bridge over the Thames) that links City Park to the museum, Alhambra and Odeon.
[quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out. So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so. There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this. Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety, environmental health to name a few. They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem. Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor. Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed. That will mean more cars. It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it.[/p][/quote]I do not see how an application to turn the former nightclub into accommodation could be approved unless some of the night clubs and takeaways close down. The application was refused due to a number of reasons, some being the noise from the nearby Love Apple and clubs up the road. Not sure who would really want to live there given that there is more than enough student accommodation available in Bradford. I also seem to remember that some of the student accommodation chains were struggling to fill the existing halls and flats quite recently too. Given that many of the university's students come from Bradford and that the government has been discouraging overseas students, it does not seem likely that demand will rise either, It would be great if the Odeon could be back into use as a music venue though adding to the night time economy in that part of town.[/p][/quote]In an ideal world the inner city ring road that is strangling the city would be re-routed. I do not understand why the council still have not considered re-routing the ring road given that 2 of the world's most prominent architects, Richard Rogers and Will Alsop (who drew up a masterplan for the city) have argued that the current ring road is strangling the city, cutting off the Alhambra, Odeon, University, Media Museum and even the old Sunwin House Department store.[/p][/quote]In a city noted for its bad decision making it's universally acknowledged that the inner ringroad was one of the worst. However, please let's leave it where it is. Rerouting will give the Council vandals an opportunity to knock down even more of what's left of Bradford. Don't give these twerps a chance. What is needed is an imaginative wide pedestrian bridge or crossing (like the millennium bridge over the Thames) that links City Park to the museum, Alhambra and Odeon. sorrow&anger
  • Score: 9

10:35am Sun 1 Jun 14

andrewbradford says...

sorrow&anger wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out.

So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so.

There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this.

Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety,
environmental health to name a few.
They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem.

Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor.

Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed.
That will mean more cars.

It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it.
I do not see how an application to turn the former nightclub into accommodation could be approved unless some of the night clubs and takeaways close down.
The application was refused due to a number of reasons, some being the noise from the nearby Love Apple and clubs up the road. Not sure who would really want to live there given that there is more than enough student accommodation available in Bradford.
I also seem to remember that some of the student accommodation chains were struggling to fill the existing halls and flats quite recently too. Given that many of the university's students come from Bradford and that the government has been discouraging overseas students, it does not seem likely that demand will rise either,

It would be great if the Odeon could be back into use as a music venue though adding to the night time economy in that part of town.
In an ideal world the inner city ring road that is strangling the city would be re-routed.
I do not understand why the council still have not considered re-routing the ring road given that 2 of the world's most prominent architects, Richard Rogers and Will Alsop (who drew up a masterplan for the city) have argued that the current ring road is strangling the city, cutting off the Alhambra, Odeon, University, Media Museum and even the old Sunwin House Department store.
In a city noted for its bad decision making it's universally acknowledged that the inner ringroad was one of the worst. However, please let's leave it where it is. Rerouting will give the Council vandals an opportunity to knock down even more of what's left of Bradford. Don't give these twerps a chance.

What is needed is an imaginative wide pedestrian bridge or crossing (like the millennium bridge over the Thames) that links City Park to the museum, Alhambra and Odeon.
I bridge would be good to link city park and the oden/alhambra, but it would not do much to help Sunwin House.

I do not see how re-rounting the ring road would give the council the opportunity to knock down more of the city's architectural gems though.
[quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out. So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so. There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this. Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety, environmental health to name a few. They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem. Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor. Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed. That will mean more cars. It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it.[/p][/quote]I do not see how an application to turn the former nightclub into accommodation could be approved unless some of the night clubs and takeaways close down. The application was refused due to a number of reasons, some being the noise from the nearby Love Apple and clubs up the road. Not sure who would really want to live there given that there is more than enough student accommodation available in Bradford. I also seem to remember that some of the student accommodation chains were struggling to fill the existing halls and flats quite recently too. Given that many of the university's students come from Bradford and that the government has been discouraging overseas students, it does not seem likely that demand will rise either, It would be great if the Odeon could be back into use as a music venue though adding to the night time economy in that part of town.[/p][/quote]In an ideal world the inner city ring road that is strangling the city would be re-routed. I do not understand why the council still have not considered re-routing the ring road given that 2 of the world's most prominent architects, Richard Rogers and Will Alsop (who drew up a masterplan for the city) have argued that the current ring road is strangling the city, cutting off the Alhambra, Odeon, University, Media Museum and even the old Sunwin House Department store.[/p][/quote]In a city noted for its bad decision making it's universally acknowledged that the inner ringroad was one of the worst. However, please let's leave it where it is. Rerouting will give the Council vandals an opportunity to knock down even more of what's left of Bradford. Don't give these twerps a chance. What is needed is an imaginative wide pedestrian bridge or crossing (like the millennium bridge over the Thames) that links City Park to the museum, Alhambra and Odeon.[/p][/quote]I bridge would be good to link city park and the oden/alhambra, but it would not do much to help Sunwin House. I do not see how re-rounting the ring road would give the council the opportunity to knock down more of the city's architectural gems though. andrewbradford
  • Score: 4

12:22pm Sun 1 Jun 14

bluebluerobin says...

sorrow&anger wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
andrewbradford wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out.

So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so.

There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this.

Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety,
environmental health to name a few.
They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem.

Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor.

Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed.
That will mean more cars.

It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it.
I do not see how an application to turn the former nightclub into accommodation could be approved unless some of the night clubs and takeaways close down.
The application was refused due to a number of reasons, some being the noise from the nearby Love Apple and clubs up the road. Not sure who would really want to live there given that there is more than enough student accommodation available in Bradford.
I also seem to remember that some of the student accommodation chains were struggling to fill the existing halls and flats quite recently too. Given that many of the university's students come from Bradford and that the government has been discouraging overseas students, it does not seem likely that demand will rise either,

It would be great if the Odeon could be back into use as a music venue though adding to the night time economy in that part of town.
In an ideal world the inner city ring road that is strangling the city would be re-routed.
I do not understand why the council still have not considered re-routing the ring road given that 2 of the world's most prominent architects, Richard Rogers and Will Alsop (who drew up a masterplan for the city) have argued that the current ring road is strangling the city, cutting off the Alhambra, Odeon, University, Media Museum and even the old Sunwin House Department store.
In a city noted for its bad decision making it's universally acknowledged that the inner ringroad was one of the worst. However, please let's leave it where it is. Rerouting will give the Council vandals an opportunity to knock down even more of what's left of Bradford. Don't give these twerps a chance.

What is needed is an imaginative wide pedestrian bridge or crossing (like the millennium bridge over the Thames) that links City Park to the museum, Alhambra and Odeon.
That is a good idea.

It's a pity that the plans for the Odeon do not include proposals for bridging the inner ring road and joining it to the city park. The Odeon and Alhambra should also be linked to the media museum. I sure this would not be in such dire straits if people could actually get to it.

City Hall is not only short of joined up thinking, but joined up places as well.
[quote][p][bold]sorrow&anger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andrewbradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out. So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so. There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this. Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety, environmental health to name a few. They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem. Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor. Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed. That will mean more cars. It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it.[/p][/quote]I do not see how an application to turn the former nightclub into accommodation could be approved unless some of the night clubs and takeaways close down. The application was refused due to a number of reasons, some being the noise from the nearby Love Apple and clubs up the road. Not sure who would really want to live there given that there is more than enough student accommodation available in Bradford. I also seem to remember that some of the student accommodation chains were struggling to fill the existing halls and flats quite recently too. Given that many of the university's students come from Bradford and that the government has been discouraging overseas students, it does not seem likely that demand will rise either, It would be great if the Odeon could be back into use as a music venue though adding to the night time economy in that part of town.[/p][/quote]In an ideal world the inner city ring road that is strangling the city would be re-routed. I do not understand why the council still have not considered re-routing the ring road given that 2 of the world's most prominent architects, Richard Rogers and Will Alsop (who drew up a masterplan for the city) have argued that the current ring road is strangling the city, cutting off the Alhambra, Odeon, University, Media Museum and even the old Sunwin House Department store.[/p][/quote]In a city noted for its bad decision making it's universally acknowledged that the inner ringroad was one of the worst. However, please let's leave it where it is. Rerouting will give the Council vandals an opportunity to knock down even more of what's left of Bradford. Don't give these twerps a chance. What is needed is an imaginative wide pedestrian bridge or crossing (like the millennium bridge over the Thames) that links City Park to the museum, Alhambra and Odeon.[/p][/quote]That is a good idea. It's a pity that the plans for the Odeon do not include proposals for bridging the inner ring road and joining it to the city park. The Odeon and Alhambra should also be linked to the media museum. I sure this would not be in such dire straits if people could actually get to it. City Hall is not only short of joined up thinking, but joined up places as well. bluebluerobin
  • Score: 6

2:05pm Sun 1 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

Some good ideas above regarding linking various Bradford venues and museums to City Park. How about also moving the magistrates courts main entrance to either the side or to the rear of the present building, removing the steps from what is at the moment the frontage of the courts then building something akin to the banana building opposite and keeping City Park separate as much as is possible from the courts and it's clientele.
Some good ideas above regarding linking various Bradford venues and museums to City Park. How about also moving the magistrates courts main entrance to either the side or to the rear of the present building, removing the steps from what is at the moment the frontage of the courts then building something akin to the banana building opposite and keeping City Park separate as much as is possible from the courts and it's clientele. bcfc1903
  • Score: 6

9:00pm Sun 1 Jun 14

johnhem says...

flatten the courts/cop shop and make it a 4 storey car park, 2 underground, with a bridge across to Alhambra/odeon. forget the student flats behind the odeon and have a car park there for staff, hgv's and coaches.
a new magistrates court could be in one of the buildings on nelson st. with a little imagination and renovation. so close to the cop shop and quite close to our crown ct so all is within easy reach.
flatten the courts/cop shop and make it a 4 storey car park, 2 underground, with a bridge across to Alhambra/odeon. forget the student flats behind the odeon and have a car park there for staff, hgv's and coaches. a new magistrates court could be in one of the buildings on nelson st. with a little imagination and renovation. so close to the cop shop and quite close to our crown ct so all is within easy reach. johnhem
  • Score: 4

12:15am Mon 2 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

johnhem wrote:
flatten the courts/cop shop and make it a 4 storey car park, 2 underground, with a bridge across to Alhambra/odeon. forget the student flats behind the odeon and have a car park there for staff, hgv's and coaches.
a new magistrates court could be in one of the buildings on nelson st. with a little imagination and renovation. so close to the cop shop and quite close to our crown ct so all is within easy reach.
Don't think there is government money to do that, that is why moving the entrance would be a much cheaper option.
[quote][p][bold]johnhem[/bold] wrote: flatten the courts/cop shop and make it a 4 storey car park, 2 underground, with a bridge across to Alhambra/odeon. forget the student flats behind the odeon and have a car park there for staff, hgv's and coaches. a new magistrates court could be in one of the buildings on nelson st. with a little imagination and renovation. so close to the cop shop and quite close to our crown ct so all is within easy reach.[/p][/quote]Don't think there is government money to do that, that is why moving the entrance would be a much cheaper option. bcfc1903
  • Score: 3

12:58pm Mon 2 Jun 14

MrQuinque says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out.

So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so.

There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this.

Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety,
environmental health to name a few.
They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem.

Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor.

Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed.
That will mean more cars.

It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it.
1. Dropped for a car park? so you want an eyesore right in the heart of the citythe?

2. Purpose built eco friendly arena, you do remember how many decades it took leeds to get theirs built? And why make people go that far when it could be in the heart of the city with easy transport links.

3. The student accomadation proposal will not pass, they were told no on the original design, no on the revised design and will be told no again, not least because the council don't want any competition to their redevelopment of the car park on the former site of the alexandra hotel.

Bradford Deserves Better, Bradford Deserves Live!
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out. So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so. There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this. Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety, environmental health to name a few. They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem. Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor. Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed. That will mean more cars. It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it.[/p][/quote]1. Dropped for a car park? so you want an eyesore right in the heart of the citythe? 2. Purpose built eco friendly arena, you do remember how many decades it took leeds to get theirs built? And why make people go that far when it could be in the heart of the city with easy transport links. 3. The student accomadation proposal will not pass, they were told no on the original design, no on the revised design and will be told no again, not least because the council don't want any competition to their redevelopment of the car park on the former site of the alexandra hotel. Bradford Deserves Better, Bradford Deserves Live! MrQuinque
  • Score: 1

4:07pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Bradford56 says...

keep the faith ✊ wrote:
It would make a lovely mosque 🙏
Boring!!!
[quote][p][bold]keep the faith ✊[/bold] wrote: It would make a lovely mosque 🙏[/p][/quote]Boring!!! Bradford56
  • Score: 2

4:09pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Bradford56 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Good luck Lee, you've got by far the best idea for the Odeon building. A capacity of 3,500 to 4,000 is a must for a city of 523,000 folk, looking at the pictures of how it will look really does give a great impression of the Bradford Live Music venue and how it would sit in that area full of venues for theatre and film. Great Idea from a fantastic Bradfordian!!!! All the best!!!!!
I second that!
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Good luck Lee, you've got by far the best idea for the Odeon building. A capacity of 3,500 to 4,000 is a must for a city of 523,000 folk, looking at the pictures of how it will look really does give a great impression of the Bradford Live Music venue and how it would sit in that area full of venues for theatre and film. Great Idea from a fantastic Bradfordian!!!! All the best!!!!![/p][/quote]I second that! Bradford56
  • Score: 4

6:08am Tue 3 Jun 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

MrQuinque wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out.

So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so.

There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this.

Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety,
environmental health to name a few.
They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem.

Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor.

Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed.
That will mean more cars.

It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it.
1. Dropped for a car park? so you want an eyesore right in the heart of the citythe?

2. Purpose built eco friendly arena, you do remember how many decades it took leeds to get theirs built? And why make people go that far when it could be in the heart of the city with easy transport links.

3. The student accomadation proposal will not pass, they were told no on the original design, no on the revised design and will be told no again, not least because the council don't want any competition to their redevelopment of the car park on the former site of the alexandra hotel.

Bradford Deserves Better, Bradford Deserves Live!
Ok my flatten it idea for a new park was just to wind up the tree huggers and it worked to an extent.

Nobody has really come up with a plausible idea how they would cope with other a 1000 cars for a 4000 sell out gig. It could quite easily be 2000 cars if it was a midweek gig as people from out of town won't be able to get home if the show finished at 11.00. To relocate the magistrates court would cost a fortune.

The "Live" people haven't said who would play here if they were signed up with Clear Channel and Lice Nation.

I'll put my point of the lack of unsafe parking to the panal deciding it.
[quote][p][bold]MrQuinque[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: Take away all the guff about a building that is out of character with it's redbrick infrastructure. But where are the cars going to park? The council have already said they are to build more flats on the former Alexandra Hotel car park opposite Wetherspoons so that is out. So you have a 4000 capacity venue and 25% come in cars on their own. That is a 1000 cars so where are they going to park? This is on top of staff cars and the others who park up at the hotels or so. There are some car parks but nowhere near enough to accommodate this. Also when the licencing department consider the premises licence they gave to take parking into account as do the fire brigade, ambulance and police, health and safety, environmental health to name a few. They have to take into account of this and it could cause a huge problem. Personally l think the Odeon should be dropped to make a car park and you can have a purpose built eco friendly arena but on the Canal Rd/Valley Rd corridor. Oh and the above mentioned Chicago Rock nightclub to be made into 268 flats. I spoke to the landlord last week and he said the bid is going in again and will be passed. That will mean more cars. It makes me wonder how many flats they need but he said the university and council want it.[/p][/quote]1. Dropped for a car park? so you want an eyesore right in the heart of the citythe? 2. Purpose built eco friendly arena, you do remember how many decades it took leeds to get theirs built? And why make people go that far when it could be in the heart of the city with easy transport links. 3. The student accomadation proposal will not pass, they were told no on the original design, no on the revised design and will be told no again, not least because the council don't want any competition to their redevelopment of the car park on the former site of the alexandra hotel. Bradford Deserves Better, Bradford Deserves Live![/p][/quote]Ok my flatten it idea for a new park was just to wind up the tree huggers and it worked to an extent. Nobody has really come up with a plausible idea how they would cope with other a 1000 cars for a 4000 sell out gig. It could quite easily be 2000 cars if it was a midweek gig as people from out of town won't be able to get home if the show finished at 11.00. To relocate the magistrates court would cost a fortune. The "Live" people haven't said who would play here if they were signed up with Clear Channel and Lice Nation. I'll put my point of the lack of unsafe parking to the panal deciding it. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -2

2:07pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mattshaw says...

Bradford56 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Good luck Lee, you've got by far the best idea for the Odeon building. A capacity of 3,500 to 4,000 is a must for a city of 523,000 folk, looking at the pictures of how it will look really does give a great impression of the Bradford Live Music venue and how it would sit in that area full of venues for theatre and film. Great Idea from a fantastic Bradfordian!!!! All the best!!!!!
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[quote][p][bold]Bradford56[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: Good luck Lee, you've got by far the best idea for the Odeon building. A capacity of 3,500 to 4,000 is a must for a city of 523,000 folk, looking at the pictures of how it will look really does give a great impression of the Bradford Live Music venue and how it would sit in that area full of venues for theatre and film. Great Idea from a fantastic Bradfordian!!!! All the best!!!!![/p][/quote]I second that![/p][/quote]I third that! mattshaw
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