First in call for ‘Routemasters’

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: HOP ON, HOP OFF: A Routemaster bus HOP ON, HOP OFF: A Routemaster bus

Transport company First has revealed plans to introduce London-style buses in Bradford and the whole of West Yorkshire.

It is proposing to introduce a fleet of Routemaster buses, which would have multi-door entry and exit points including a hop-on and off platform at the rear, free wi-fi and lower emissions.

The proposal – entitled New Bus for West Yorkshire – is an alternative to the New Generation Transport (NGT) trolleybuses proposed for Leeds.

The NGT scheme is being spearheaded by Leeds City Council and West Yorkshire Integrated Transport Authority Metro. First has formally objected to the trolleybus scheme.

A spokesman for First said: “In brief, we do not believe that £250 million spent on one trolleybus route in one city in the county is value for money.

“Even for that one route, from all our experience as the major bus operator in Leeds, the business case is not viable.

“The trolleybus proposal is based on outdated technology at a time when we are about to launch fully electric buses in York.

“These come without all the wires and poles required for the trolleybus. Instead, First is proposing that a ‘New Bus for West Yorkshire’ would achieve most of the same benefits but across the whole of West Yorkshire, much sooner and at a fraction of the cost.”

The Routemaster buses would be paid for by First, which said it would also work with local authorities and Metro to identify infrastructure improvements that would tackle congestion.

Metro did not want to comment because of the ongoing public inquiry.

Metro chairman, Councillor James Lewis has previously described First’s proposals as “scant on detail”.

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11:37am Tue 20 May 14

Albion. says...

With multiple entry points would we have conductors as the LINK bendy-buses do?
With multiple entry points would we have conductors as the LINK bendy-buses do? Albion.
  • Score: 7

11:50am Tue 20 May 14

Old Peculiar says...

Think First need to concentrate on lowering fares, rather than continuously introducing new buses. I live in Thornton, and the cost of 2 people heading to Bradford, is just about comparable with the cost of a taxi.
What's wrong with the buses already in operation, there is barely a bus on the road that is more than 2 years old.
Think First need to concentrate on lowering fares, rather than continuously introducing new buses. I live in Thornton, and the cost of 2 people heading to Bradford, is just about comparable with the cost of a taxi. What's wrong with the buses already in operation, there is barely a bus on the road that is more than 2 years old. Old Peculiar
  • Score: 12

11:58am Tue 20 May 14

999 number of the beast says...

Old Peculiar wrote:
Think First need to concentrate on lowering fares, rather than continuously introducing new buses. I live in Thornton, and the cost of 2 people heading to Bradford, is just about comparable with the cost of a taxi.
What's wrong with the buses already in operation, there is barely a bus on the road that is more than 2 years old.
Get rid of the headcases, frequent services in the evening, night time services and also try to speed up journey times. Sometimes it quicker to get off and walk the last 2 stops in some areas!
Of course if this Labour majority council brought buses back under council control (like in Lanndun) that would be a start but they are now NU-LAbour. They drink from the same cup as the coalition government just a different shade!
[quote][p][bold]Old Peculiar[/bold] wrote: Think First need to concentrate on lowering fares, rather than continuously introducing new buses. I live in Thornton, and the cost of 2 people heading to Bradford, is just about comparable with the cost of a taxi. What's wrong with the buses already in operation, there is barely a bus on the road that is more than 2 years old.[/p][/quote]Get rid of the headcases, frequent services in the evening, night time services and also try to speed up journey times. Sometimes it quicker to get off and walk the last 2 stops in some areas! Of course if this Labour majority council brought buses back under council control (like in Lanndun) that would be a start but they are now NU-LAbour. They drink from the same cup as the coalition government just a different shade! 999 number of the beast
  • Score: 2

1:43pm Tue 20 May 14

basil fawlty says...

“In brief, we do not believe that £250 million spent on one trolleybus route in one city in the county is value for money.
“Even for that one route, from all our experience as the major bus operator in Leeds, the business case is not viable."

£250M for the Leeds trolley bus scheme is an outrageous waste of money and is certainly never going to provide value for money.when so much else needs to be done to improve transport in the rest of West Yorkshire, and particularly in Bradford. How about spending the money on linking Bradford's two railway stations and finally working towards putting Bradford's rail services more on a par with Leeds from where we get incessant moaning about the congestion at the station.
“In brief, we do not believe that £250 million spent on one trolleybus route in one city in the county is value for money. “Even for that one route, from all our experience as the major bus operator in Leeds, the business case is not viable." £250M for the Leeds trolley bus scheme is an outrageous waste of money and is certainly never going to provide value for money.when so much else needs to be done to improve transport in the rest of West Yorkshire, and particularly in Bradford. How about spending the money on linking Bradford's two railway stations and finally working towards putting Bradford's rail services more on a par with Leeds from where we get incessant moaning about the congestion at the station. basil fawlty
  • Score: 4

3:05pm Tue 20 May 14

midge the one says...

if bradford is getting new routemasters does this mean that we are getting conductors back. if so lets get a move on
if bradford is getting new routemasters does this mean that we are getting conductors back. if so lets get a move on midge the one
  • Score: 3

3:28pm Tue 20 May 14

Joedavid says...

Old Peculiar wrote:
Think First need to concentrate on lowering fares, rather than continuously introducing new buses. I live in Thornton, and the cost of 2 people heading to Bradford, is just about comparable with the cost of a taxi.
What's wrong with the buses already in operation, there is barely a bus on the road that is more than 2 years old.
Most buses inside of First look worn out and dirty, very surprised most under 2 years old.
[quote][p][bold]Old Peculiar[/bold] wrote: Think First need to concentrate on lowering fares, rather than continuously introducing new buses. I live in Thornton, and the cost of 2 people heading to Bradford, is just about comparable with the cost of a taxi. What's wrong with the buses already in operation, there is barely a bus on the road that is more than 2 years old.[/p][/quote]Most buses inside of First look worn out and dirty, very surprised most under 2 years old. Joedavid
  • Score: 7

4:10pm Tue 20 May 14

BabyDave says...

I do agree with first that it is a waste of money on just the one route - when we need schemes that benefit the whole county . . . .

However - First could help by re-formulating their fare stages so we only pay for the part of the journey we TRAVEL on, and not in some cases up to 7 stops and 1 mile ahead of where we alight the bus! Fares could be drastically lowered if this was to happen . . . . but obviously the bus company loses out then so it never will - it's a big con really, if you think about it.

I can travel the same distance in Scarborough for a £1.75 fare, whereas the same distance in Bradford now costs me £2.70 - something is not right and it is about time First stopped ripping us off.
I do agree with first that it is a waste of money on just the one route - when we need schemes that benefit the whole county . . . . However - First could help by re-formulating their fare stages so we only pay for the part of the journey we TRAVEL on, and not in some cases up to 7 stops and 1 mile ahead of where we alight the bus! Fares could be drastically lowered if this was to happen . . . . but obviously the bus company loses out then so it never will - it's a big con really, if you think about it. I can travel the same distance in Scarborough for a £1.75 fare, whereas the same distance in Bradford now costs me £2.70 - something is not right and it is about time First stopped ripping us off. BabyDave
  • Score: 7

5:16pm Tue 20 May 14

Joedavid says...

BabyDave wrote:
I do agree with first that it is a waste of money on just the one route - when we need schemes that benefit the whole county . . . .

However - First could help by re-formulating their fare stages so we only pay for the part of the journey we TRAVEL on, and not in some cases up to 7 stops and 1 mile ahead of where we alight the bus! Fares could be drastically lowered if this was to happen . . . . but obviously the bus company loses out then so it never will - it's a big con really, if you think about it.

I can travel the same distance in Scarborough for a £1.75 fare, whereas the same distance in Bradford now costs me £2.70 - something is not right and it is about time First stopped ripping us off.
Your right provided that the bus company in Scarborough isn't being subsidize by the tax payer.
[quote][p][bold]BabyDave[/bold] wrote: I do agree with first that it is a waste of money on just the one route - when we need schemes that benefit the whole county . . . . However - First could help by re-formulating their fare stages so we only pay for the part of the journey we TRAVEL on, and not in some cases up to 7 stops and 1 mile ahead of where we alight the bus! Fares could be drastically lowered if this was to happen . . . . but obviously the bus company loses out then so it never will - it's a big con really, if you think about it. I can travel the same distance in Scarborough for a £1.75 fare, whereas the same distance in Bradford now costs me £2.70 - something is not right and it is about time First stopped ripping us off.[/p][/quote]Your right provided that the bus company in Scarborough isn't being subsidize by the tax payer. Joedavid
  • Score: 3

7:00pm Tue 20 May 14

NO51GET says...

Sorry about this,not related but where can i find the Forum on the site these days??
Sorry about this,not related but where can i find the Forum on the site these days?? NO51GET
  • Score: 0

8:18pm Tue 20 May 14

Albion. says...

NO51GET wrote:
Sorry about this,not related but where can i find the Forum on the site these days??
It has been removed.
[quote][p][bold]NO51GET[/bold] wrote: Sorry about this,not related but where can i find the Forum on the site these days??[/p][/quote]It has been removed. Albion.
  • Score: 2

6:09am Wed 21 May 14

micela22 says...

cheaper & more reliable to travel by taxi than a bus in Bradford, door to door service instead of waiting for a bus that might or might not turn up. Also surprising to see how few people who use buses do actually pay. Maybe if it was more affordable more people could/should pay & buses would have more passengers.
cheaper & more reliable to travel by taxi than a bus in Bradford, door to door service instead of waiting for a bus that might or might not turn up. Also surprising to see how few people who use buses do actually pay. Maybe if it was more affordable more people could/should pay & buses would have more passengers. micela22
  • Score: 1

6:30am Wed 21 May 14

Joedavid says...

micela22 wrote:
cheaper & more reliable to travel by taxi than a bus in Bradford, door to door service instead of waiting for a bus that might or might not turn up. Also surprising to see how few people who use buses do actually pay. Maybe if it was more affordable more people could/should pay & buses would have more passengers.
Just because you are not seeing money doesn't mean people not paying or being paid for.
[quote][p][bold]micela22[/bold] wrote: cheaper & more reliable to travel by taxi than a bus in Bradford, door to door service instead of waiting for a bus that might or might not turn up. Also surprising to see how few people who use buses do actually pay. Maybe if it was more affordable more people could/should pay & buses would have more passengers.[/p][/quote]Just because you are not seeing money doesn't mean people not paying or being paid for. Joedavid
  • Score: 3

10:05am Wed 21 May 14

brandonjones says...

The Routemaster has 3 entry exit points, one by the driver, one in the middle and a rear platform. At busy times it is likely the rear platform would be open and conductors used - at other times the rear platform can be closed and customers can pay the driver like now.
The Routemaster has 3 entry exit points, one by the driver, one in the middle and a rear platform. At busy times it is likely the rear platform would be open and conductors used - at other times the rear platform can be closed and customers can pay the driver like now. brandonjones
  • Score: -3

1:16pm Thu 22 May 14

BabyDave says...

Actually cheaper on the train too - a return from Bradford to Bingley is half the price that First charges, quicker too.
Actually cheaper on the train too - a return from Bradford to Bingley is half the price that First charges, quicker too. BabyDave
  • Score: 2

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