Lorries still plaguing life of Bradford householder

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: David McHugh David McHugh

A householder says he is still being plagued by lorries using an exit from a filling station opposite his house, despite the owners trying to restrict its use.

David McHugh, 55, who lives in Paley Road behind the East Bowling BP station in Wakefield Road, said his car had been hit by lorries on three separate occasions, the last of which caused his insurance to rise by £900.

After complaining to the site owners, Spring Petroleum Ltd, the company responded by handing out flyers to drivers and putting up signs to try to discourage use of the exit, but Mr McHugh said the situation is yet to improve.

“The problem hasn’t been resolved, I still can’t relax in the comfort of my own home and still jump up every time I hear the sound of a lorry,” he said.

“There are no fixed signs, just ones tied around posts with string, and they keep getting moved or lost. Drivers are taking no notice and think it’s still easier for them just to turn right.”

Mr McHugh, who has taken video evidence of HGVs continuing to use the exit, has a designated disabled parking space outside his house because his wife, Janet, suffers from spinal problems.

The couple objected to the residential exit when it was proposed, but were under the impression it would be access-only and not used by HGVs to return to Wakefield Road.

The flyers given out by service station staff warn drivers that the width of Paley Road could result in them getting stuck, and state that a ‘no right turn’ policy has been implemented for all vehicles.

They suggest using the site’s main exit, or turning left on to Paley Road, but on Thursday, one HGV trying to use the diversion caused some damage to a car parked on the street.

Ian Woodcock, operations director at Spring Petroleum Ltd, which owns the site independently of BP, said the signs had led to the “vast majority” of drivers using the garage’s primary exit directly back on to Wakefield Road. “I have sympathy with Mr McHugh, and we are happy to continue to work with him to alleviate the problem, but we are doing as much as we can.”

A section of wall and railings opposite Mr McHugh’s house that was demolished when an HGV hit them in October is yet to be repaired.

Andy Fisher, Bradford Council’s principal engineer, traffic and highways, said: “We hope to start work rebuilding the wall very soon following a recent insurance settlement and we will contact Mr McHugh to let him know.

“We will also investigate the report of signs restricting traffic turning out of the garage.”

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8:32am Sat 5 Apr 14

Ratters Rat says...

These lorries that use Paley Road which way does he want them to go? Into a highly built up area where the streets are narrow children playing. Great idea lets cause more chaos The garage is a business while you can ask the lorry drivers to go a different way you can't demand that they do this. Why not ask the garage if he can have a parking space in the garage area problem solved plus 24/7 CCTV bring your insurance down.
At the end of the day a car is replaceable a child's life isn't.
These lorries that use Paley Road which way does he want them to go? Into a highly built up area where the streets are narrow children playing. Great idea lets cause more chaos The garage is a business while you can ask the lorry drivers to go a different way you can't demand that they do this. Why not ask the garage if he can have a parking space in the garage area problem solved plus 24/7 CCTV bring your insurance down. At the end of the day a car is replaceable a child's life isn't. Ratters Rat
  • Score: 5

9:00am Sat 5 Apr 14

mad matt says...

That isn't the point. No right turn means no right turn - make the signs mandatory and arrest the drivers - simple!
That isn't the point. No right turn means no right turn - make the signs mandatory and arrest the drivers - simple! mad matt
  • Score: 7

9:22am Sat 5 Apr 14

Ratters Rat says...

The sign is on private land and is only tied on. If this was an adopted policy by the council the sign would be a solid sign and fixed correctly it was put up by the garage .
Paley Road is approximately 4 cars wide buses use Paley Road side streets are a lot narrower. So turn left where do you suggest they go.They safest route would mean drivers doing a mile detour and they won't do that.
What i find amazing the council took a small traffic island out at the junction of Paley Road / Wakefield Road to make it easier for lorries to access Wakefield Road.
The sign is on private land and is only tied on. If this was an adopted policy by the council the sign would be a solid sign and fixed correctly it was put up by the garage . Paley Road is approximately 4 cars wide buses use Paley Road side streets are a lot narrower. So turn left where do you suggest they go.They safest route would mean drivers doing a mile detour and they won't do that. What i find amazing the council took a small traffic island out at the junction of Paley Road / Wakefield Road to make it easier for lorries to access Wakefield Road. Ratters Rat
  • Score: 2

11:25am Sat 5 Apr 14

Cooperlane2 says...

Why doesn't the filling station put up a barrier to restrict the width of the exit so the HGV are forced back onto Wakefield Rd?
Simples.
Why doesn't the filling station put up a barrier to restrict the width of the exit so the HGV are forced back onto Wakefield Rd? Simples. Cooperlane2
  • Score: 7

11:25am Sat 5 Apr 14

justjustice says...

I think that Spring Petroleum Ltd and the companies who's lorries have hit his car and wall should be made to pay for this guy's increased cost of insurance.

This guy petitioned against the exit but now has to live with this stress and increased cost. And as said this should have been made an access only point.

As for the lorry drivers having to detour a mile, well that's something they have to add to their costs, do you think they just ram through toll roads? No they go around them instead.
I think that Spring Petroleum Ltd and the companies who's lorries have hit his car and wall should be made to pay for this guy's increased cost of insurance. This guy petitioned against the exit but now has to live with this stress and increased cost. And as said this should have been made an access only point. As for the lorry drivers having to detour a mile, well that's something they have to add to their costs, do you think they just ram through toll roads? No they go around them instead. justjustice
  • Score: 7

11:29am Sat 5 Apr 14

Cooperlane2 says...

Looking at the map, the right turn takes you directly back to Wakefield Rd - exactly where they would be if they exited from the main exit...so it doesn't add any extra mileage.

Another problem is the high wall at the filling station exit blocks the right turn view, so the HGV only see how narrow it is when they are onto the junction and commited to the turn.
Looking at the map, the right turn takes you directly back to Wakefield Rd - exactly where they would be if they exited from the main exit...so it doesn't add any extra mileage. Another problem is the high wall at the filling station exit blocks the right turn view, so the HGV only see how narrow it is when they are onto the junction and commited to the turn. Cooperlane2
  • Score: 6

4:07pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Muddy22 says...

Simple solution is to insert bollards as to restrict access for cars only thus HGVs will have to exit using the garage forecourt
Simple solution is to insert bollards as to restrict access for cars only thus HGVs will have to exit using the garage forecourt Muddy22
  • Score: 8

7:05pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Raj2121 says...

Easy option put double yellow lines outside his house, problem solved,
Easy option put double yellow lines outside his house, problem solved, Raj2121
  • Score: -6

9:02pm Sat 5 Apr 14

dorny1971 says...

Ratters Rat wrote:
The sign is on private land and is only tied on. If this was an adopted policy by the council the sign would be a solid sign and fixed correctly it was put up by the garage .
Paley Road is approximately 4 cars wide buses use Paley Road side streets are a lot narrower. So turn left where do you suggest they go.They safest route would mean drivers doing a mile detour and they won't do that.
What i find amazing the council took a small traffic island out at the junction of Paley Road / Wakefield Road to make it easier for lorries to access Wakefield Road.
I think you've missed the point. HGVs should exit by the garage forecourt, they should not use Paley Road at all. I like the solution which restricts width (or possibly height). I think the garage should do something since they're the ones who are profiting from the HGVs refuelling - about time some of it was reinvested in putting a better, more permanent solution in place.
[quote][p][bold]Ratters Rat[/bold] wrote: The sign is on private land and is only tied on. If this was an adopted policy by the council the sign would be a solid sign and fixed correctly it was put up by the garage . Paley Road is approximately 4 cars wide buses use Paley Road side streets are a lot narrower. So turn left where do you suggest they go.They safest route would mean drivers doing a mile detour and they won't do that. What i find amazing the council took a small traffic island out at the junction of Paley Road / Wakefield Road to make it easier for lorries to access Wakefield Road.[/p][/quote]I think you've missed the point. HGVs should exit by the garage forecourt, they should not use Paley Road at all. I like the solution which restricts width (or possibly height). I think the garage should do something since they're the ones who are profiting from the HGVs refuelling - about time some of it was reinvested in putting a better, more permanent solution in place. dorny1971
  • Score: 6

10:16pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Mr Blondе says...

Raj2121 wrote:
Easy option put double yellow lines outside his house, problem solved,
Nah, then there would be taxis parked there with their 'Girlington' lights on instead.
[quote][p][bold]Raj2121[/bold] wrote: Easy option put double yellow lines outside his house, problem solved,[/p][/quote]Nah, then there would be taxis parked there with their 'Girlington' lights on instead. Mr Blondе
  • Score: 5

1:12pm Sun 6 Apr 14

The Hoffster says...

mad matt wrote:
That isn't the point. No right turn means no right turn - make the signs mandatory and arrest the drivers - simple!
That sign looks 'home-made' and put in a place where it's not been designated.

Isn't that illegal ?
[quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: That isn't the point. No right turn means no right turn - make the signs mandatory and arrest the drivers - simple![/p][/quote]That sign looks 'home-made' and put in a place where it's not been designated. Isn't that illegal ? The Hoffster
  • Score: 1

3:53pm Sun 6 Apr 14

The Hoffster says...

Mr Blondе wrote:
Raj2121 wrote:
Easy option put double yellow lines outside his house, problem solved,
Nah, then there would be taxis parked there with their 'Girlington' lights on instead.
Lol :D
[quote][p][bold]Mr Blondе[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raj2121[/bold] wrote: Easy option put double yellow lines outside his house, problem solved,[/p][/quote]Nah, then there would be taxis parked there with their 'Girlington' lights on instead.[/p][/quote]Lol :D The Hoffster
  • Score: 3

8:56am Mon 7 Apr 14

Courtney winston pie. says...

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\outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 I understand the mans plight and he has my full sympathies, but the problem for the lorries drivers is that sometimes, well majority of the time is that they can't make that right turn on the petrol forecourt to exist onto Wakefield road due car drivers parking up directly in front of the cash machine thus blocking them in. It's fine for smaller wagons to make that right turn from the forecourt but for 30 foot rigids and artics lorries which are almost 50 foot in length and foot wide struggle to make that turn. Plus sometimes the height of the lorries prevent then from going under the canopy of the forecourt. The problem can be resolved if the petrol pump owners prevent cars from parking directly in front of the cash machines, even thou there is a yellow box there, but they dont give a toss and this why sometimes the wagon drivers use the right turn off paley road back onto Wakefield road thinking it's the easy option, but as we have seen and heard it isn't.
{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1 252 {\fonttbl\f0\fnil\fc harset0 ArialMT;} {\colortbl;\red255\g reen255\blue255;\red 85\green85\blue85;\r ed255\green255\blue2 55;} \deftab720 \pard\pardeftab720\s l360\sa200\partighte nfactor0 \f0\fs24 \cf2 \cb3 \expnd0\expndtw0\ker ning0 \outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 I understand the mans plight and he has my full sympathies, but the problem for the lorries drivers is that sometimes, well majority of the time is that they can't make that right turn on the petrol forecourt to exist onto Wakefield road due car drivers parking up directly in front of the cash machine thus blocking them in. It's fine for smaller wagons to make that right turn from the forecourt but for 30 foot rigids and artics lorries which are almost 50 foot in length and foot wide struggle to make that turn. Plus sometimes the height of the lorries prevent then from going under the canopy of the forecourt. The problem can be resolved if the petrol pump owners prevent cars from parking directly in front of the cash machines, even thou there is a yellow box there, but they dont give a toss and this why sometimes the wagon drivers use the right turn off paley road back onto Wakefield road thinking it's the easy option, but as we have seen and heard it isn't. Courtney winston pie.
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7:23pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Ratters Rat says...

Courtney winston pie. wrote:
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\outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 I understand the mans plight and he has my full sympathies, but the problem for the lorries drivers is that sometimes, well majority of the time is that they can't make that right turn on the petrol forecourt to exist onto Wakefield road due car drivers parking up directly in front of the cash machine thus blocking them in. It's fine for smaller wagons to make that right turn from the forecourt but for 30 foot rigids and artics lorries which are almost 50 foot in length and foot wide struggle to make that turn. Plus sometimes the height of the lorries prevent then from going under the canopy of the forecourt. The problem can be resolved if the petrol pump owners prevent cars from parking directly in front of the cash machines, even thou there is a yellow box there, but they dont give a toss and this why sometimes the wagon drivers use the right turn off paley road back onto Wakefield road thinking it's the easy option, but as we have seen and heard it isn't.
At last we have the answer as to why they use that exit.I don't think anything can be done without a complete re design and since money was spent several years ago.
[quote][p][bold]Courtney winston pie.[/bold] wrote: {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1 252 {\fonttbl\f0\fnil\fc harset0 ArialMT;} {\colortbl;\red255\g reen255\blue255;\red 85\green85\blue85;\r ed255\green255\blue2 55;} \deftab720 \pard\pardeftab720\s l360\sa200\partighte nfactor0 \f0\fs24 \cf2 \cb3 \expnd0\expndtw0\ker ning0 \outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 I understand the mans plight and he has my full sympathies, but the problem for the lorries drivers is that sometimes, well majority of the time is that they can't make that right turn on the petrol forecourt to exist onto Wakefield road due car drivers parking up directly in front of the cash machine thus blocking them in. It's fine for smaller wagons to make that right turn from the forecourt but for 30 foot rigids and artics lorries which are almost 50 foot in length and foot wide struggle to make that turn. Plus sometimes the height of the lorries prevent then from going under the canopy of the forecourt. The problem can be resolved if the petrol pump owners prevent cars from parking directly in front of the cash machines, even thou there is a yellow box there, but they dont give a toss and this why sometimes the wagon drivers use the right turn off paley road back onto Wakefield road thinking it's the easy option, but as we have seen and heard it isn't.[/p][/quote]At last we have the answer as to why they use that exit.I don't think anything can be done without a complete re design and since money was spent several years ago. Ratters Rat
  • Score: 0

7:23pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Ratters Rat says...

Courtney winston pie. wrote:
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\outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 I understand the mans plight and he has my full sympathies, but the problem for the lorries drivers is that sometimes, well majority of the time is that they can't make that right turn on the petrol forecourt to exist onto Wakefield road due car drivers parking up directly in front of the cash machine thus blocking them in. It's fine for smaller wagons to make that right turn from the forecourt but for 30 foot rigids and artics lorries which are almost 50 foot in length and foot wide struggle to make that turn. Plus sometimes the height of the lorries prevent then from going under the canopy of the forecourt. The problem can be resolved if the petrol pump owners prevent cars from parking directly in front of the cash machines, even thou there is a yellow box there, but they dont give a toss and this why sometimes the wagon drivers use the right turn off paley road back onto Wakefield road thinking it's the easy option, but as we have seen and heard it isn't.
At last we have the answer as to why they use that exit.I don't think anything can be done without a complete re design and since money was spent several years ago.
[quote][p][bold]Courtney winston pie.[/bold] wrote: {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1 252 {\fonttbl\f0\fnil\fc harset0 ArialMT;} {\colortbl;\red255\g reen255\blue255;\red 85\green85\blue85;\r ed255\green255\blue2 55;} \deftab720 \pard\pardeftab720\s l360\sa200\partighte nfactor0 \f0\fs24 \cf2 \cb3 \expnd0\expndtw0\ker ning0 \outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 I understand the mans plight and he has my full sympathies, but the problem for the lorries drivers is that sometimes, well majority of the time is that they can't make that right turn on the petrol forecourt to exist onto Wakefield road due car drivers parking up directly in front of the cash machine thus blocking them in. It's fine for smaller wagons to make that right turn from the forecourt but for 30 foot rigids and artics lorries which are almost 50 foot in length and foot wide struggle to make that turn. Plus sometimes the height of the lorries prevent then from going under the canopy of the forecourt. The problem can be resolved if the petrol pump owners prevent cars from parking directly in front of the cash machines, even thou there is a yellow box there, but they dont give a toss and this why sometimes the wagon drivers use the right turn off paley road back onto Wakefield road thinking it's the easy option, but as we have seen and heard it isn't.[/p][/quote]At last we have the answer as to why they use that exit.I don't think anything can be done without a complete re design and since money was spent several years ago. Ratters Rat
  • Score: 0

7:23pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Ratters Rat says...

Courtney winston pie. wrote:
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\outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 I understand the mans plight and he has my full sympathies, but the problem for the lorries drivers is that sometimes, well majority of the time is that they can't make that right turn on the petrol forecourt to exist onto Wakefield road due car drivers parking up directly in front of the cash machine thus blocking them in. It's fine for smaller wagons to make that right turn from the forecourt but for 30 foot rigids and artics lorries which are almost 50 foot in length and foot wide struggle to make that turn. Plus sometimes the height of the lorries prevent then from going under the canopy of the forecourt. The problem can be resolved if the petrol pump owners prevent cars from parking directly in front of the cash machines, even thou there is a yellow box there, but they dont give a toss and this why sometimes the wagon drivers use the right turn off paley road back onto Wakefield road thinking it's the easy option, but as we have seen and heard it isn't.
At last we have the answer as to why they use that exit.I don't think anything can be done without a complete re design and since money was spent several years ago.
[quote][p][bold]Courtney winston pie.[/bold] wrote: {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1 252 {\fonttbl\f0\fnil\fc harset0 ArialMT;} {\colortbl;\red255\g reen255\blue255;\red 85\green85\blue85;\r ed255\green255\blue2 55;} \deftab720 \pard\pardeftab720\s l360\sa200\partighte nfactor0 \f0\fs24 \cf2 \cb3 \expnd0\expndtw0\ker ning0 \outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 I understand the mans plight and he has my full sympathies, but the problem for the lorries drivers is that sometimes, well majority of the time is that they can't make that right turn on the petrol forecourt to exist onto Wakefield road due car drivers parking up directly in front of the cash machine thus blocking them in. It's fine for smaller wagons to make that right turn from the forecourt but for 30 foot rigids and artics lorries which are almost 50 foot in length and foot wide struggle to make that turn. Plus sometimes the height of the lorries prevent then from going under the canopy of the forecourt. The problem can be resolved if the petrol pump owners prevent cars from parking directly in front of the cash machines, even thou there is a yellow box there, but they dont give a toss and this why sometimes the wagon drivers use the right turn off paley road back onto Wakefield road thinking it's the easy option, but as we have seen and heard it isn't.[/p][/quote]At last we have the answer as to why they use that exit.I don't think anything can be done without a complete re design and since money was spent several years ago. Ratters Rat
  • Score: 0

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