Urgent repairs to City Hall will cost £2.1 million this year

City Hall will feature scaffolding well into the foreseeable future

City Hall will feature scaffolding well into the foreseeable future

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , City Hall Reporter

Urgent repairs to City Hall, including its ailing roof, are set to cost Bradford Council £2.1 million this year.

Scaffolding is expected to be up around the Grade I listed Gothic landmark for the foreseeable future, as the third of four phases of renovation gets under way.

Opposition parties yesterday voiced concern at the size of the repairs bill, but the Labour-led authority defended its spending on the building, saying previous administrations had neglected it and stored up problems that the current leaders were now having to deal with.

The next phase will finish off the roof repairs, this time working on the side of the building fronting Centenary Square.

It will also repair the ornate building’s facade, which has “considerable structural damage”, according to a new report.

Councillor Andrew Thornton, executive member for the environment, oversees improvements to the Council’s property portfolio.

He said: “We started on one side and we are working our way around the building. It’s a big job and it’s made more difficult by the nature of City Hall and the fact that it is listed, so we have to maintain it in the appropriate way.

“I have to say, that hasn’t always happened in the past. It has been sadly neglected and those chickens come home to roost.”

Alan Hall, chairman of Bradford Civic Society, said City Hall was an “architectural gem for the whole of the United Kingdom” and needed to be looked after.

He said: “I’m not saying, ‘Hang the expense’, you have got to get it done as economically as possible.

“But I would say that you can’t afford not to make sure that the building is really up to scratch in every respect, and if repairs need to be done or maintenance needs to be done, then that has got to be done.

“Bradford Council and local businesses are quite rightly trying to attract people into the middle of Bradford. We need public buildings that are of a really good quality.”

The City Hall renovation forms part of the Council’s 10-year Property Programme, which is battling a £90 million repairs backlog across all its buildings.

This year’s spending totals £4.2 million, and also includes improvements to Bolling Hall Museum, the Alhambra Theatre and two crematoria.

Overall, the programme is designed to save more than it spends, as the Council moves out of dozens of buildings and installs energy-saving improvements in others.

But Councillor Jeanette Sunderland, the Council’s Liberal Democrat leader, has called for a full re-think on all spending on the property programme, especially in light of cuts to social care.

She said: “If you look at your own household budget and you are really struggling to find the money to pay for stuff you really need, you don’t spend money on improving the outside of your property.

“That’s what they are doing. They have illuminated City Hall’s clock.

“We are now replacing some of the stonework because some of the statues are cracking, but at the end of the day, things are very hard for people with a disability and they are going to get harder.”

Coun Sunderland also queried the savings brought about by the overall programme, saying selling off Council buildings had raised only £27 million so far, while capital spending on the project totalled more than £29 million.

And the Council’s Conservative leader, Councillor Glen Miller, said he thought the spending on City Hall was excessive, especially as people’s council tax bills had risen.

He said: “Investing another £2.1 million in this building, as much as it’s a very nice building, I sometimes wonder whether we really need to invest that much money.”

Coun Thornton said it was important that City Hall was maintained to an “appropriate standard”, especially as they were closing Bradford Register Office and moving its services, including weddings, into City Hall.

He said: “What Councillor Sunderland is suggesting is the thing that has failed in the past and has seen the backlog maintenance grow to £90 million.”

The investment programme is expected to be approved at a meeting of Bradford Council’s Executive on Tuesday.

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9:43am Thu 3 Apr 14

BierleyBoy says...

£2.1m on basic upkeep? I think not.
£2.1m on basic upkeep? I think not. BierleyBoy
  • Score: -7

11:10am Thu 3 Apr 14

They only do damage! says...

If swimming pools,leisure centres and librarys need to close and we are the ones who pay for it, then there is absolutley no reason for the people to pay for this has they gain zero out of it.
If swimming pools,leisure centres and librarys need to close and we are the ones who pay for it, then there is absolutley no reason for the people to pay for this has they gain zero out of it. They only do damage!
  • Score: 1

11:48am Thu 3 Apr 14

collos25 says...

Pull it down sell the stone and built another lake its a building beyond its sell by date.They are many more deserving things to spend public money on.
Pull it down sell the stone and built another lake its a building beyond its sell by date.They are many more deserving things to spend public money on. collos25
  • Score: -11

12:17pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Johsay says...

What a wonderful exchange, no wonder we're knackered if our leaders behave like this.

Continually playing party politics, blaming each other. Utterly pathetic.
What a wonderful exchange, no wonder we're knackered if our leaders behave like this. Continually playing party politics, blaming each other. Utterly pathetic. Johsay
  • Score: -1

2:31pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Use the money Coronation Street gave you. Or has taht ended up in someone's back pocket too?
Use the money Coronation Street gave you. Or has taht ended up in someone's back pocket too? Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 2

4:29pm Thu 3 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.
If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are. RollandSmoke
  • Score: 1

5:07pm Thu 3 Apr 14

bcfc1903 says...

Good to see the Council looking after this grade 1 listed building after years of neglect while the Conservatives were in office. Those Tory numpties helped out by the libdems were responsible for years of council mismanagement. I see Glen Miller is in the mood to blow his own trombone on this, , well I suggest he takes a long drink out of his little brown jug then gives us a moonlight serenade while reading the lyrics to my cousin fanny, that would certainly make more sense than his latest pronouncement.
Good to see the Council looking after this grade 1 listed building after years of neglect while the Conservatives were in office. Those Tory numpties helped out by the libdems were responsible for years of council mismanagement. I see Glen Miller is in the mood to blow his own trombone on this, , well I suggest he takes a long drink out of his little brown jug then gives us a moonlight serenade while reading the lyrics to my cousin fanny, that would certainly make more sense than his latest pronouncement. bcfc1903
  • Score: -1

5:52pm Thu 3 Apr 14

alive and awake says...

I'd like to see the tendering process, can't help but think this Council is not good enough to get us value for money.
I'd like to see the tendering process, can't help but think this Council is not good enough to get us value for money. alive and awake
  • Score: 5

6:04pm Thu 3 Apr 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.
Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one.
The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last.
Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.[/p][/quote]Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one. The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last. Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money. alive and awake
  • Score: 4

6:17pm Thu 3 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.
Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one.
The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last.
Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.
"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.[/p][/quote]Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one. The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last. Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.[/p][/quote]"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me. RollandSmoke
  • Score: 0

7:34pm Thu 3 Apr 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.
Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one.
The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last.
Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.
"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.
The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.[/p][/quote]Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one. The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last. Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.[/p][/quote]"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.[/p][/quote]The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough. alive and awake
  • Score: 1

7:38pm Thu 3 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.
Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one.
The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last.
Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.
"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.
The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough.
Could be worse I could know nothing about anything in which case I'd be welcomed with open arms into the Tory party despite being ever so slightly overqualified.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.[/p][/quote]Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one. The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last. Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.[/p][/quote]"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.[/p][/quote]The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough.[/p][/quote]Could be worse I could know nothing about anything in which case I'd be welcomed with open arms into the Tory party despite being ever so slightly overqualified. RollandSmoke
  • Score: 0

8:17pm Thu 3 Apr 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.
Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one.
The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last.
Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.
"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.
The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough.
Could be worse I could know nothing about anything in which case I'd be welcomed with open arms into the Tory party despite being ever so slightly overqualified.
You would not be welcomed into any party. You really do not get it do you?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.[/p][/quote]Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one. The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last. Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.[/p][/quote]"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.[/p][/quote]The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough.[/p][/quote]Could be worse I could know nothing about anything in which case I'd be welcomed with open arms into the Tory party despite being ever so slightly overqualified.[/p][/quote]You would not be welcomed into any party. You really do not get it do you? alive and awake
  • Score: 0

8:27pm Thu 3 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.
Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one.
The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last.
Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.
"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.
The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough.
Could be worse I could know nothing about anything in which case I'd be welcomed with open arms into the Tory party despite being ever so slightly overqualified.
You would not be welcomed into any party. You really do not get it do you?
Actually as you prove again and again it is you that doesn't get it. When I started work the government held out their hand and demanded that I pay tax and national insurance which I did. This was on the understanding that if I should for whatever reason become unable to work there would be a saftey net there for me to fall into. Guess what? I became ill and was unable to work. So therefore as I had payed my insurance for such contingencies I am fully entitled to claim and I really couldn't give a crap what you or your fellow knobheads think about that.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.[/p][/quote]Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one. The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last. Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.[/p][/quote]"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.[/p][/quote]The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough.[/p][/quote]Could be worse I could know nothing about anything in which case I'd be welcomed with open arms into the Tory party despite being ever so slightly overqualified.[/p][/quote]You would not be welcomed into any party. You really do not get it do you?[/p][/quote]Actually as you prove again and again it is you that doesn't get it. When I started work the government held out their hand and demanded that I pay tax and national insurance which I did. This was on the understanding that if I should for whatever reason become unable to work there would be a saftey net there for me to fall into. Guess what? I became ill and was unable to work. So therefore as I had payed my insurance for such contingencies I am fully entitled to claim and I really couldn't give a crap what you or your fellow knobheads think about that. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -2

9:04pm Thu 3 Apr 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.
Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one.
The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last.
Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.
"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.
The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough.
Could be worse I could know nothing about anything in which case I'd be welcomed with open arms into the Tory party despite being ever so slightly overqualified.
You would not be welcomed into any party. You really do not get it do you?
Actually as you prove again and again it is you that doesn't get it. When I started work the government held out their hand and demanded that I pay tax and national insurance which I did. This was on the understanding that if I should for whatever reason become unable to work there would be a saftey net there for me to fall into. Guess what? I became ill and was unable to work. So therefore as I had payed my insurance for such contingencies I am fully entitled to claim and I really couldn't give a crap what you or your fellow knobheads think about that.
No problem with you claiming if it's genuine, but at least try to be a bit grateful, and be reasonable regarding the amount you think you should get. Also remember if it wasn't for all the fraudsters you would probably get more.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.[/p][/quote]Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one. The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last. Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.[/p][/quote]"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.[/p][/quote]The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough.[/p][/quote]Could be worse I could know nothing about anything in which case I'd be welcomed with open arms into the Tory party despite being ever so slightly overqualified.[/p][/quote]You would not be welcomed into any party. You really do not get it do you?[/p][/quote]Actually as you prove again and again it is you that doesn't get it. When I started work the government held out their hand and demanded that I pay tax and national insurance which I did. This was on the understanding that if I should for whatever reason become unable to work there would be a saftey net there for me to fall into. Guess what? I became ill and was unable to work. So therefore as I had payed my insurance for such contingencies I am fully entitled to claim and I really couldn't give a crap what you or your fellow knobheads think about that.[/p][/quote]No problem with you claiming if it's genuine, but at least try to be a bit grateful, and be reasonable regarding the amount you think you should get. Also remember if it wasn't for all the fraudsters you would probably get more. alive and awake
  • Score: -2

9:14pm Thu 3 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.
Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one.
The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last.
Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.
"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.
The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough.
Could be worse I could know nothing about anything in which case I'd be welcomed with open arms into the Tory party despite being ever so slightly overqualified.
You would not be welcomed into any party. You really do not get it do you?
Actually as you prove again and again it is you that doesn't get it. When I started work the government held out their hand and demanded that I pay tax and national insurance which I did. This was on the understanding that if I should for whatever reason become unable to work there would be a saftey net there for me to fall into. Guess what? I became ill and was unable to work. So therefore as I had payed my insurance for such contingencies I am fully entitled to claim and I really couldn't give a crap what you or your fellow knobheads think about that.
No problem with you claiming if it's genuine, but at least try to be a bit grateful, and be reasonable regarding the amount you think you should get. Also remember if it wasn't for all the fraudsters you would probably get more.
And how much of a real terms reduction in income have you had to deal with since this shambolic shower of sh!t got in then?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.[/p][/quote]Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one. The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last. Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.[/p][/quote]"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.[/p][/quote]The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough.[/p][/quote]Could be worse I could know nothing about anything in which case I'd be welcomed with open arms into the Tory party despite being ever so slightly overqualified.[/p][/quote]You would not be welcomed into any party. You really do not get it do you?[/p][/quote]Actually as you prove again and again it is you that doesn't get it. When I started work the government held out their hand and demanded that I pay tax and national insurance which I did. This was on the understanding that if I should for whatever reason become unable to work there would be a saftey net there for me to fall into. Guess what? I became ill and was unable to work. So therefore as I had payed my insurance for such contingencies I am fully entitled to claim and I really couldn't give a crap what you or your fellow knobheads think about that.[/p][/quote]No problem with you claiming if it's genuine, but at least try to be a bit grateful, and be reasonable regarding the amount you think you should get. Also remember if it wasn't for all the fraudsters you would probably get more.[/p][/quote]And how much of a real terms reduction in income have you had to deal with since this shambolic shower of sh!t got in then? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -1

9:30pm Thu 3 Apr 14

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.
Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one.
The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last.
Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.
"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.
The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough.
Could be worse I could know nothing about anything in which case I'd be welcomed with open arms into the Tory party despite being ever so slightly overqualified.
You would not be welcomed into any party. You really do not get it do you?
Actually as you prove again and again it is you that doesn't get it. When I started work the government held out their hand and demanded that I pay tax and national insurance which I did. This was on the understanding that if I should for whatever reason become unable to work there would be a saftey net there for me to fall into. Guess what? I became ill and was unable to work. So therefore as I had payed my insurance for such contingencies I am fully entitled to claim and I really couldn't give a crap what you or your fellow knobheads think about that.
No problem with you claiming if it's genuine, but at least try to be a bit grateful, and be reasonable regarding the amount you think you should get. Also remember if it wasn't for all the fraudsters you would probably get more.
And how much of a real terms reduction in income have you had to deal with since this shambolic shower of sh!t got in then?
Probably cost me £150,000+ but I do not blame the Coalition at all, I do however blame the last Labour government.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.[/p][/quote]Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one. The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last. Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.[/p][/quote]"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.[/p][/quote]The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough.[/p][/quote]Could be worse I could know nothing about anything in which case I'd be welcomed with open arms into the Tory party despite being ever so slightly overqualified.[/p][/quote]You would not be welcomed into any party. You really do not get it do you?[/p][/quote]Actually as you prove again and again it is you that doesn't get it. When I started work the government held out their hand and demanded that I pay tax and national insurance which I did. This was on the understanding that if I should for whatever reason become unable to work there would be a saftey net there for me to fall into. Guess what? I became ill and was unable to work. So therefore as I had payed my insurance for such contingencies I am fully entitled to claim and I really couldn't give a crap what you or your fellow knobheads think about that.[/p][/quote]No problem with you claiming if it's genuine, but at least try to be a bit grateful, and be reasonable regarding the amount you think you should get. Also remember if it wasn't for all the fraudsters you would probably get more.[/p][/quote]And how much of a real terms reduction in income have you had to deal with since this shambolic shower of sh!t got in then?[/p][/quote]Probably cost me £150,000+ but I do not blame the Coalition at all, I do however blame the last Labour government. alive and awake
  • Score: -2

10:49pm Thu 3 Apr 14

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.
Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one.
The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last.
Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.
"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.
The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough.
Could be worse I could know nothing about anything in which case I'd be welcomed with open arms into the Tory party despite being ever so slightly overqualified.
You would not be welcomed into any party. You really do not get it do you?
Actually as you prove again and again it is you that doesn't get it. When I started work the government held out their hand and demanded that I pay tax and national insurance which I did. This was on the understanding that if I should for whatever reason become unable to work there would be a saftey net there for me to fall into. Guess what? I became ill and was unable to work. So therefore as I had payed my insurance for such contingencies I am fully entitled to claim and I really couldn't give a crap what you or your fellow knobheads think about that.
No problem with you claiming if it's genuine, but at least try to be a bit grateful, and be reasonable regarding the amount you think you should get. Also remember if it wasn't for all the fraudsters you would probably get more.
And how much of a real terms reduction in income have you had to deal with since this shambolic shower of sh!t got in then?
Probably cost me £150,000+ but I do not blame the Coalition at all, I do however blame the last Labour government.
You must be really struggling. You have my sympathy. Have you got anything left to live on or should we have a whip round? You could always see if you could get referred to a food bank.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: If only we had a time machine so we could go back to when these wonderful architectural buildings were built and explain to them that despite them being extremely rich and having the money to splash out on all the niceties within 100 years or so all that wealth would be squandered leaving Bradford on it's arse and struggling with the upkeep. Why oh why didn't they just build a nondescript box with a shelf life of around 20-30 years like we would do today. They might be suprised to see someone who has traveled back in time, especially when they realise what total idiots we are.[/p][/quote]Another subject you know very little about. Do you think a cheap and cheerful building becomes 20 years of age and then gets pulled down? What would happen is, because of the building standard, after abut 8 years it will cost a fortune to keep up and running annually, then after about 18 years and after a big debate about do we pull it down or spend probably the same as the initial build cost to eke out another 10 years, this will happen, then after a very expensive decade , with the building looking very dated and shabby and 40 years after it will be pulled down and a massive amount spent on building a new one. The Victorians new this, that's why they built quality to last. Bradford Council have been too stupid to adopt a pro-active mtce. policy, hence we face £m bills. I worry that we get value for money, simply because I have zero confidence in this Council to look after MY money.[/p][/quote]"Another subject you know very little about". What, time travel? Ok you've got me.[/p][/quote]The only subject you know anything about is, holding your hand out for something YOU think you are entitled to. Then you will complain it's not enough.[/p][/quote]Could be worse I could know nothing about anything in which case I'd be welcomed with open arms into the Tory party despite being ever so slightly overqualified.[/p][/quote]You would not be welcomed into any party. You really do not get it do you?[/p][/quote]Actually as you prove again and again it is you that doesn't get it. When I started work the government held out their hand and demanded that I pay tax and national insurance which I did. This was on the understanding that if I should for whatever reason become unable to work there would be a saftey net there for me to fall into. Guess what? I became ill and was unable to work. So therefore as I had payed my insurance for such contingencies I am fully entitled to claim and I really couldn't give a crap what you or your fellow knobheads think about that.[/p][/quote]No problem with you claiming if it's genuine, but at least try to be a bit grateful, and be reasonable regarding the amount you think you should get. Also remember if it wasn't for all the fraudsters you would probably get more.[/p][/quote]And how much of a real terms reduction in income have you had to deal with since this shambolic shower of sh!t got in then?[/p][/quote]Probably cost me £150,000+ but I do not blame the Coalition at all, I do however blame the last Labour government.[/p][/quote]You must be really struggling. You have my sympathy. Have you got anything left to live on or should we have a whip round? You could always see if you could get referred to a food bank. RollandSmoke
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