Promoter who wanted to bring back speedway has backed out after stadium fences sold

Speedway at Odsal

Speedway at Odsal

First published in News Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , T&A Reporter

A businessman who wanted to bring speedway back to Bradford has given up on the idea.

The removal of metal safety barriers at Odsal Stadium was the final straw for speedway promoter Tony Mole, who last April revealed that he wanted the sport back in the city after 16 years away.

The move to get rid of the barriers disappointed campaigners who wanted to see other forms of motorsport back in Bradford as the absence of safety fences would rule out such activity at the site.

Now, Mr Mole has hammered another nail in the coffin.

He said: “I am no longer interested in bringing speedway back to Odsal Stadium.

“I believe that the Speedway Control Bureau would require that metal fence to be replaced on safety grounds due to the high-speed nature of the track.

“I committed to a specification, agreed with the SCB, which included that metal fence being in situ and, unless it is replaced, I think any chances of getting a licence would be jeopardised.

“I’ve no idea what it would cost but it would certainly run into many thousands of pounds to replace that metal fence and that is my primary reason for saying that I am no longer interested – because of the increased cost to any potential speedway promoter.”

Speedway disappeared from the city in 1997 after Bradford Dukes won speedway’s inaugural Elite League title.

The work to remove the barriers was started when Bradford Bulls were being run by Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd under the chairmanship of Mark Moore.

Mr Moore has previously told the T&A that contractors had been appointed to remove and sell the metal for scrap to raise funds to pay for safety and improvement work on terrace three at Odsal.

Since then, Mr Moore and his co-directors have withdrawn from running the Bulls, which are again being directly run by Leeds-based administrator David Wilson.

A deadline of this Thursday has been set for bids to be received with a number of parties reported to be interested in buying the Super League club, according to the Rugby Football League.

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8:44am Tue 11 Mar 14

collos25 says...

The metal fence would have to have been removed and replaced with a substantial crash barrier plus other safety issues would have had to been addressed before speedway had half a chance of returning to Odsal.
The metal fence would have to have been removed and replaced with a substantial crash barrier plus other safety issues would have had to been addressed before speedway had half a chance of returning to Odsal. collos25
  • Score: 4

9:31am Tue 11 Mar 14

Duke of Odsal says...

collos25 wrote:
The metal fence would have to have been removed and replaced with a substantial crash barrier plus other safety issues would have had to been addressed before speedway had half a chance of returning to Odsal.
I think not. Berwick has a steel faced post and panel fence that is less than forgiving on direct impact. Any one who knows Speedway though will understand that the likelihood of a full tilt impact with the fence is relatively low. More likely is a glancing impact. At Berwick though they have introduced a polyfoam layer that sits in front of the fence. This does much the same job as the air fence used in Elite League and Speedway GP, and is also used in other motorsports.
So - the lack of a barrier is a problem - but the barrier that was there I would suggest was not a problem.
The bigger question though - the stadium is OWNED by the city. The RFL and the Bulls are merely tenant and sub-tenant respectively. What the Bulls have done is like a council house tenant stripping out the copper piping and selling it for scrap - fundamentally an act of theft which I suggest that landlord ought to be concerned about, especially as it has effectively closed down the prospect of wider use of the stadium.
The Dukes were an asset to the city when they operated, a clean and wholesome family sport (much like Rugby League) that brought the worlds attention to Odsal when world ranking events were held there.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: The metal fence would have to have been removed and replaced with a substantial crash barrier plus other safety issues would have had to been addressed before speedway had half a chance of returning to Odsal.[/p][/quote]I think not. Berwick has a steel faced post and panel fence that is less than forgiving on direct impact. Any one who knows Speedway though will understand that the likelihood of a full tilt impact with the fence is relatively low. More likely is a glancing impact. At Berwick though they have introduced a polyfoam layer that sits in front of the fence. This does much the same job as the air fence used in Elite League and Speedway GP, and is also used in other motorsports. So - the lack of a barrier is a problem - but the barrier that was there I would suggest was not a problem. The bigger question though - the stadium is OWNED by the city. The RFL and the Bulls are merely tenant and sub-tenant respectively. What the Bulls have done is like a council house tenant stripping out the copper piping and selling it for scrap - fundamentally an act of theft which I suggest that landlord ought to be concerned about, especially as it has effectively closed down the prospect of wider use of the stadium. The Dukes were an asset to the city when they operated, a clean and wholesome family sport (much like Rugby League) that brought the worlds attention to Odsal when world ranking events were held there. Duke of Odsal
  • Score: 19

10:13am Tue 11 Mar 14

Avro says...

I agree and what a shame. Another door closed to much needed revenue.
I agree and what a shame. Another door closed to much needed revenue. Avro
  • Score: 10

10:32am Tue 11 Mar 14

Bone_idle18 says...

The biggest problem is that the hospitality suit where the pits used to be. I also think it looks like it uses some of the old track for it's supporting legs. Can't see it ever passing any speedway H&S tests.
The biggest problem is that the hospitality suit where the pits used to be. I also think it looks like it uses some of the old track for it's supporting legs. Can't see it ever passing any speedway H&S tests. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 6

10:48am Tue 11 Mar 14

Albion. says...

collos25 wrote:
The metal fence would have to have been removed and replaced with a substantial crash barrier plus other safety issues would have had to been addressed before speedway had half a chance of returning to Odsal.
That's rubbish! The metal fence WAS in place for many years of Speedway. A wooden fence was suspended over it and the newly required air fence would have fitted to that. The wooden fence was removed for Stockcar racing and then replaced afterwards.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: The metal fence would have to have been removed and replaced with a substantial crash barrier plus other safety issues would have had to been addressed before speedway had half a chance of returning to Odsal.[/p][/quote]That's rubbish! The metal fence WAS in place for many years of Speedway. A wooden fence was suspended over it and the newly required air fence would have fitted to that. The wooden fence was removed for Stockcar racing and then replaced afterwards. Albion.
  • Score: 8

10:50am Tue 11 Mar 14

Albion. says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
The biggest problem is that the hospitality suit where the pits used to be. I also think it looks like it uses some of the old track for it's supporting legs. Can't see it ever passing any speedway H&S tests.
It was inspected and given the OK.
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: The biggest problem is that the hospitality suit where the pits used to be. I also think it looks like it uses some of the old track for it's supporting legs. Can't see it ever passing any speedway H&S tests.[/p][/quote]It was inspected and given the OK. Albion.
  • Score: 0

11:14am Tue 11 Mar 14

allannicho says...

"Contractors had been appointed to remove and sell the metal for scrap to raise funds to pay for safety and improvement work on terrace three at Odsal"
If you get to that stage you may as well throw in the towel!
methinks.
"Contractors had been appointed to remove and sell the metal for scrap to raise funds to pay for safety and improvement work on terrace three at Odsal" If you get to that stage you may as well throw in the towel! methinks. allannicho
  • Score: 13

11:48am Tue 11 Mar 14

Old Dave says...

So, somebody who didn't own the organisation that is a tenant of a tenant sells an asset that limits the use of the premises.

As a Bradford taxpayer, am I entitled to ask why this has been allowed?

Mark Moore, acting on behalf of Bradford Bulls has removed the fences for their value in scrap metal. Those fences have been in situe since 1985 when Odsal was redeveloped ahead of the 1985 World Speedway Final. They posed no risk to spectators as they were not in an area where spectators would be. This is a farce! It is theft. The RFL as the lease holders of the stadium, and/or Bradford MDC as owners, need to ask difficult questions of the administrator of Bradford Bulls. Any income from the sale of the fences needs to be traced and not be able to be used as income for the rugby club, as it diminishes the value of the stadium. what next, selling off the goalposts, or the pipes to the showers?
So, somebody who didn't own the organisation that is a tenant of a tenant sells an asset that limits the use of the premises. As a Bradford taxpayer, am I entitled to ask why this has been allowed? Mark Moore, acting on behalf of Bradford Bulls has removed the fences for their value in scrap metal. Those fences have been in situe since 1985 when Odsal was redeveloped ahead of the 1985 World Speedway Final. They posed no risk to spectators as they were not in an area where spectators would be. This is a farce! It is theft. The RFL as the lease holders of the stadium, and/or Bradford MDC as owners, need to ask difficult questions of the administrator of Bradford Bulls. Any income from the sale of the fences needs to be traced and not be able to be used as income for the rugby club, as it diminishes the value of the stadium. what next, selling off the goalposts, or the pipes to the showers? Old Dave
  • Score: 13

12:01pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Loadofbull70 says...

What happened to the scrap money Mr Moore ?????????????
What happened to the scrap money Mr Moore ????????????? Loadofbull70
  • Score: 10

12:05pm Tue 11 Mar 14

BD16 says...

Didn't Tony Moles reckon it was going to take over one hundred thousand pounds to get the stadium up to spec? If so, where was the money going to come from?

Speedway in the UK appears to be dead on its feet. Watching it on sky gives the impression that it attracts hundreds, or teens of hundreds, of spectators at best.

I'm not knocking the sport as such but given the level of investment that would appear to be needed for so few spectators it would seem to be a rather futile attempt.
Didn't Tony Moles reckon it was going to take over one hundred thousand pounds to get the stadium up to spec? If so, where was the money going to come from? Speedway in the UK appears to be dead on its feet. Watching it on sky gives the impression that it attracts hundreds, or teens of hundreds, of spectators at best. I'm not knocking the sport as such but given the level of investment that would appear to be needed for so few spectators it would seem to be a rather futile attempt. BD16
  • Score: 2

12:12pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Albion. says...

BD16 wrote:
Didn't Tony Moles reckon it was going to take over one hundred thousand pounds to get the stadium up to spec? If so, where was the money going to come from?

Speedway in the UK appears to be dead on its feet. Watching it on sky gives the impression that it attracts hundreds, or teens of hundreds, of spectators at best.

I'm not knocking the sport as such but given the level of investment that would appear to be needed for so few spectators it would seem to be a rather futile attempt.
He actually HAS the money and has opened/re-opened a number of other tracks and then sold them on, he was also sharing the cost with Stockcar promoter Steven Rees.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Didn't Tony Moles reckon it was going to take over one hundred thousand pounds to get the stadium up to spec? If so, where was the money going to come from? Speedway in the UK appears to be dead on its feet. Watching it on sky gives the impression that it attracts hundreds, or teens of hundreds, of spectators at best. I'm not knocking the sport as such but given the level of investment that would appear to be needed for so few spectators it would seem to be a rather futile attempt.[/p][/quote]He actually HAS the money and has opened/re-opened a number of other tracks and then sold them on, he was also sharing the cost with Stockcar promoter Steven Rees. Albion.
  • Score: 9

12:13pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Apollo says...

Selling metal from scrap smacks of ****. As a ratepayer and therefore part owner of the stadium where im my cut Mr.****.
Selling metal from scrap smacks of ****. As a ratepayer and therefore part owner of the stadium where im my cut Mr.****. Apollo
  • Score: 9

12:32pm Tue 11 Mar 14

BD16 says...

Albion. wrote:
BD16 wrote: Didn't Tony Moles reckon it was going to take over one hundred thousand pounds to get the stadium up to spec? If so, where was the money going to come from? Speedway in the UK appears to be dead on its feet. Watching it on sky gives the impression that it attracts hundreds, or teens of hundreds, of spectators at best. I'm not knocking the sport as such but given the level of investment that would appear to be needed for so few spectators it would seem to be a rather futile attempt.
He actually HAS the money and has opened/re-opened a number of other tracks and then sold them on, he was also sharing the cost with Stockcar promoter Steven Rees.
He'd struggle to sell Odsal on as it's owned by the council. Otherwise, point taken regarding the finance required.

Where would the pits be placed though? The Coral stand is sighted where they used to be.

Personally I believe that Odsal doesn't have a viable future for any sport. Even when subsidised by the council the Bulls can't make it pay and the place badly needs doing up.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Didn't Tony Moles reckon it was going to take over one hundred thousand pounds to get the stadium up to spec? If so, where was the money going to come from? Speedway in the UK appears to be dead on its feet. Watching it on sky gives the impression that it attracts hundreds, or teens of hundreds, of spectators at best. I'm not knocking the sport as such but given the level of investment that would appear to be needed for so few spectators it would seem to be a rather futile attempt.[/p][/quote]He actually HAS the money and has opened/re-opened a number of other tracks and then sold them on, he was also sharing the cost with Stockcar promoter Steven Rees.[/p][/quote]He'd struggle to sell Odsal on as it's owned by the council. Otherwise, point taken regarding the finance required. Where would the pits be placed though? The Coral stand is sighted where they used to be. Personally I believe that Odsal doesn't have a viable future for any sport. Even when subsidised by the council the Bulls can't make it pay and the place badly needs doing up. BD16
  • Score: 5

12:44pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Albion. says...

BD16 wrote:
Albion. wrote:
BD16 wrote: Didn't Tony Moles reckon it was going to take over one hundred thousand pounds to get the stadium up to spec? If so, where was the money going to come from? Speedway in the UK appears to be dead on its feet. Watching it on sky gives the impression that it attracts hundreds, or teens of hundreds, of spectators at best. I'm not knocking the sport as such but given the level of investment that would appear to be needed for so few spectators it would seem to be a rather futile attempt.
He actually HAS the money and has opened/re-opened a number of other tracks and then sold them on, he was also sharing the cost with Stockcar promoter Steven Rees.
He'd struggle to sell Odsal on as it's owned by the council. Otherwise, point taken regarding the finance required.

Where would the pits be placed though? The Coral stand is sighted where they used to be.

Personally I believe that Odsal doesn't have a viable future for any sport. Even when subsidised by the council the Bulls can't make it pay and the place badly needs doing up.
I agree with you that it doesn't have a viable future. I meant that he would sell the club rather than the track, much as he did with Birmingham and others. I don't know where the pits was meant to be located but he had the place passed as OK by the Speedway authorities, I think his interest is now mainly with Sheffield.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Didn't Tony Moles reckon it was going to take over one hundred thousand pounds to get the stadium up to spec? If so, where was the money going to come from? Speedway in the UK appears to be dead on its feet. Watching it on sky gives the impression that it attracts hundreds, or teens of hundreds, of spectators at best. I'm not knocking the sport as such but given the level of investment that would appear to be needed for so few spectators it would seem to be a rather futile attempt.[/p][/quote]He actually HAS the money and has opened/re-opened a number of other tracks and then sold them on, he was also sharing the cost with Stockcar promoter Steven Rees.[/p][/quote]He'd struggle to sell Odsal on as it's owned by the council. Otherwise, point taken regarding the finance required. Where would the pits be placed though? The Coral stand is sighted where they used to be. Personally I believe that Odsal doesn't have a viable future for any sport. Even when subsidised by the council the Bulls can't make it pay and the place badly needs doing up.[/p][/quote]I agree with you that it doesn't have a viable future. I meant that he would sell the club rather than the track, much as he did with Birmingham and others. I don't know where the pits was meant to be located but he had the place passed as OK by the Speedway authorities, I think his interest is now mainly with Sheffield. Albion.
  • Score: 5

1:17pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Just a minor point, but isn't there the Coral stand at one end of the ground which is built on a large part of where the track used to be?
Just a minor point, but isn't there the Coral stand at one end of the ground which is built on a large part of where the track used to be? Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -5

2:46pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Old Dave says...

To clarify:
since 2012 and the Bulls being bought by Omar Khan, Tony Mole has been looking into the viability of a return of speedway to Odsal. There are very few speedway only venues in this country, most doubling up as greyhound tracks. the biggest speedway event in the UK is the British GP held at Cardiff Millennium stadium. The track is laid over the rugby/football pitch, and the pits are under the stands.

The SCB (Speedway's UK governing body) visited Odsal with Tony Mole (or at his request anyway) in early 2013 and stated that none of the structures, most notably the Coral stand, would prevent Odsal from being a viable speedway venue.

Until its closure in 1997, Odsal was regarded as one of the top, if not the top circuit in the world, hosting many flagship events including the British GP and world Championship events. There would have been no reason to suggest that this wouldnt have been the case again, virtually straight away. Last year, over 40,000 people went to the Cardiff event. Odsal would sell out its 26000 places easily for a top event.

In Elite/FIM events, an air fence is required. This would have been mounted on top of the steel fence that was there already. until Odsal closed to speedway in 1997 the metal fence had on it wooden boards with a spring mechanism to make it have a little "give" in the event of an impact.

The removal of the structural, steel fence, means that to get Odsal upto standard again is no longer financially viable. It is a massive shame.
To clarify: since 2012 and the Bulls being bought by Omar Khan, Tony Mole has been looking into the viability of a return of speedway to Odsal. There are very few speedway only venues in this country, most doubling up as greyhound tracks. the biggest speedway event in the UK is the British GP held at Cardiff Millennium stadium. The track is laid over the rugby/football pitch, and the pits are under the stands. The SCB (Speedway's UK governing body) visited Odsal with Tony Mole (or at his request anyway) in early 2013 and stated that none of the structures, most notably the Coral stand, would prevent Odsal from being a viable speedway venue. Until its closure in 1997, Odsal was regarded as one of the top, if not the top circuit in the world, hosting many flagship events including the British GP and world Championship events. There would have been no reason to suggest that this wouldnt have been the case again, virtually straight away. Last year, over 40,000 people went to the Cardiff event. Odsal would sell out its 26000 places easily for a top event. In Elite/FIM events, an air fence is required. This would have been mounted on top of the steel fence that was there already. until Odsal closed to speedway in 1997 the metal fence had on it wooden boards with a spring mechanism to make it have a little "give" in the event of an impact. The removal of the structural, steel fence, means that to get Odsal upto standard again is no longer financially viable. It is a massive shame. Old Dave
  • Score: 6

2:59pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Loadofbull70 says...

BD16 wrote:
Albion. wrote:
BD16 wrote: Didn't Tony Moles reckon it was going to take over one hundred thousand pounds to get the stadium up to spec? If so, where was the money going to come from? Speedway in the UK appears to be dead on its feet. Watching it on sky gives the impression that it attracts hundreds, or teens of hundreds, of spectators at best. I'm not knocking the sport as such but given the level of investment that would appear to be needed for so few spectators it would seem to be a rather futile attempt.
He actually HAS the money and has opened/re-opened a number of other tracks and then sold them on, he was also sharing the cost with Stockcar promoter Steven Rees.
He'd struggle to sell Odsal on as it's owned by the council. Otherwise, point taken regarding the finance required.

Where would the pits be placed though? The Coral stand is sighted where they used to be.

Personally I believe that Odsal doesn't have a viable future for any sport. Even when subsidised by the council the Bulls can't make it pay and the place badly needs doing up.
Odsal will not exist for sport after this season Bradford City will take over Bulls & all operations will move to valley parade so no need to worry about speedway , stock cars or Rugby.

It does however need investigating what Mark Moore did with the scrap money & who authorised the removal on the fence.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Didn't Tony Moles reckon it was going to take over one hundred thousand pounds to get the stadium up to spec? If so, where was the money going to come from? Speedway in the UK appears to be dead on its feet. Watching it on sky gives the impression that it attracts hundreds, or teens of hundreds, of spectators at best. I'm not knocking the sport as such but given the level of investment that would appear to be needed for so few spectators it would seem to be a rather futile attempt.[/p][/quote]He actually HAS the money and has opened/re-opened a number of other tracks and then sold them on, he was also sharing the cost with Stockcar promoter Steven Rees.[/p][/quote]He'd struggle to sell Odsal on as it's owned by the council. Otherwise, point taken regarding the finance required. Where would the pits be placed though? The Coral stand is sighted where they used to be. Personally I believe that Odsal doesn't have a viable future for any sport. Even when subsidised by the council the Bulls can't make it pay and the place badly needs doing up.[/p][/quote]Odsal will not exist for sport after this season Bradford City will take over Bulls & all operations will move to valley parade so no need to worry about speedway , stock cars or Rugby. It does however need investigating what Mark Moore did with the scrap money & who authorised the removal on the fence. Loadofbull70
  • Score: 6

3:20pm Tue 11 Mar 14

emerald tyke says...

I am truly,truly saddened as a fan of speedway, and motorsport in general by the final bit of news regarding the possible return of the sport and maybe stockcars to Odsal....I cannot get my head around the fact that this stadium is BRADFORDS and how so many people are being allowed ruin what is and could be a fine stadium for MANY sports. Tony Mole has managed to ressurect many tracks in Uk and I'm sure he is disappointed as to how he's been treated over this, and he was willing i to invest in a stadium that would NEVER be his to own! Couldnt the Bulls at least talk to TM and Steve Rees about possible ground share and help keep this stadium going? I wish Bradford Council who once sponsored our league winning speedway team, could have helped with talks instead of watching the place be stripped bare. Differing amounts of potential supporters for many sports would have helped keep the stadium "alive" for the people of Bradford who have many memories of this stadium, since the late 30s. The rugby club only hold the lease to Odsal do they not? Its a pity they are being allowed act like sole owners!! How much longer will it be there I wonder?
I am truly,truly saddened as a fan of speedway, and motorsport in general by the final bit of news regarding the possible return of the sport and maybe stockcars to Odsal....I cannot get my head around the fact that this stadium is BRADFORDS and how so many people are being allowed ruin what is and could be a fine stadium for MANY sports. Tony Mole has managed to ressurect many tracks in Uk and I'm sure he is disappointed as to how he's been treated over this, and he was willing i to invest in a stadium that would NEVER be his to own! Couldnt the Bulls at least talk to TM and Steve Rees about possible ground share and help keep this stadium going? I wish Bradford Council who once sponsored our league winning speedway team, could have helped with talks instead of watching the place be stripped bare. Differing amounts of potential supporters for many sports would have helped keep the stadium "alive" for the people of Bradford who have many memories of this stadium, since the late 30s. The rugby club only hold the lease to Odsal do they not? Its a pity they are being allowed act like sole owners!! How much longer will it be there I wonder? emerald tyke
  • Score: 1

4:39pm Tue 11 Mar 14

collos25 says...

Duke of Odsal wrote:
collos25 wrote:
The metal fence would have to have been removed and replaced with a substantial crash barrier plus other safety issues would have had to been addressed before speedway had half a chance of returning to Odsal.
I think not. Berwick has a steel faced post and panel fence that is less than forgiving on direct impact. Any one who knows Speedway though will understand that the likelihood of a full tilt impact with the fence is relatively low. More likely is a glancing impact. At Berwick though they have introduced a polyfoam layer that sits in front of the fence. This does much the same job as the air fence used in Elite League and Speedway GP, and is also used in other motorsports.
So - the lack of a barrier is a problem - but the barrier that was there I would suggest was not a problem.
The bigger question though - the stadium is OWNED by the city. The RFL and the Bulls are merely tenant and sub-tenant respectively. What the Bulls have done is like a council house tenant stripping out the copper piping and selling it for scrap - fundamentally an act of theft which I suggest that landlord ought to be concerned about, especially as it has effectively closed down the prospect of wider use of the stadium.
The Dukes were an asset to the city when they operated, a clean and wholesome family sport (much like Rugby League) that brought the worlds attention to Odsal when world ranking events were held there.
I do give a hoot about Berwick I am talking about Odsal and what is required there by the H&S exectutive.
[quote][p][bold]Duke of Odsal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: The metal fence would have to have been removed and replaced with a substantial crash barrier plus other safety issues would have had to been addressed before speedway had half a chance of returning to Odsal.[/p][/quote]I think not. Berwick has a steel faced post and panel fence that is less than forgiving on direct impact. Any one who knows Speedway though will understand that the likelihood of a full tilt impact with the fence is relatively low. More likely is a glancing impact. At Berwick though they have introduced a polyfoam layer that sits in front of the fence. This does much the same job as the air fence used in Elite League and Speedway GP, and is also used in other motorsports. So - the lack of a barrier is a problem - but the barrier that was there I would suggest was not a problem. The bigger question though - the stadium is OWNED by the city. The RFL and the Bulls are merely tenant and sub-tenant respectively. What the Bulls have done is like a council house tenant stripping out the copper piping and selling it for scrap - fundamentally an act of theft which I suggest that landlord ought to be concerned about, especially as it has effectively closed down the prospect of wider use of the stadium. The Dukes were an asset to the city when they operated, a clean and wholesome family sport (much like Rugby League) that brought the worlds attention to Odsal when world ranking events were held there.[/p][/quote]I do give a hoot about Berwick I am talking about Odsal and what is required there by the H&S exectutive. collos25
  • Score: -3

6:14pm Tue 11 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

Odsals going get used to it
Odsals going get used to it alive and awake
  • Score: 1

6:48pm Tue 11 Mar 14

northern pig says...

alive and awake wrote:
Odsals going get used to it
I agree, apart from the Coral Stand that was erected in the Caisley era,primarily for the corporate entertaining crew and the high rollers on a freebe .The rest of the ground is not fit for purpose circa 2014.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: Odsals going get used to it[/p][/quote]I agree, apart from the Coral Stand that was erected in the Caisley era,primarily for the corporate entertaining crew and the high rollers on a freebe .The rest of the ground is not fit for purpose circa 2014. northern pig
  • Score: 2

7:03pm Tue 11 Mar 14

BD16 says...

Loadofbull70 wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Albion. wrote:
BD16 wrote: Didn't Tony Moles reckon it was going to take over one hundred thousand pounds to get the stadium up to spec? If so, where was the money going to come from? Speedway in the UK appears to be dead on its feet. Watching it on sky gives the impression that it attracts hundreds, or teens of hundreds, of spectators at best. I'm not knocking the sport as such but given the level of investment that would appear to be needed for so few spectators it would seem to be a rather futile attempt.
He actually HAS the money and has opened/re-opened a number of other tracks and then sold them on, he was also sharing the cost with Stockcar promoter Steven Rees.
He'd struggle to sell Odsal on as it's owned by the council. Otherwise, point taken regarding the finance required.

Where would the pits be placed though? The Coral stand is sighted where they used to be.

Personally I believe that Odsal doesn't have a viable future for any sport. Even when subsidised by the council the Bulls can't make it pay and the place badly needs doing up.
Odsal will not exist for sport after this season Bradford City will take over Bulls & all operations will move to valley parade so no need to worry about speedway , stock cars or Rugby.

It does however need investigating what Mark Moore did with the scrap money & who authorised the removal on the fence.
I hope not. As a City fan I would welcome the Bulls to VP if it was the only way of them existing but I would want clear daylight between the two clubs. Can you imagine the whinging if one set of fans thought the other team was getting preferential treatment?
[quote][p][bold]Loadofbull70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Didn't Tony Moles reckon it was going to take over one hundred thousand pounds to get the stadium up to spec? If so, where was the money going to come from? Speedway in the UK appears to be dead on its feet. Watching it on sky gives the impression that it attracts hundreds, or teens of hundreds, of spectators at best. I'm not knocking the sport as such but given the level of investment that would appear to be needed for so few spectators it would seem to be a rather futile attempt.[/p][/quote]He actually HAS the money and has opened/re-opened a number of other tracks and then sold them on, he was also sharing the cost with Stockcar promoter Steven Rees.[/p][/quote]He'd struggle to sell Odsal on as it's owned by the council. Otherwise, point taken regarding the finance required. Where would the pits be placed though? The Coral stand is sighted where they used to be. Personally I believe that Odsal doesn't have a viable future for any sport. Even when subsidised by the council the Bulls can't make it pay and the place badly needs doing up.[/p][/quote]Odsal will not exist for sport after this season Bradford City will take over Bulls & all operations will move to valley parade so no need to worry about speedway , stock cars or Rugby. It does however need investigating what Mark Moore did with the scrap money & who authorised the removal on the fence.[/p][/quote]I hope not. As a City fan I would welcome the Bulls to VP if it was the only way of them existing but I would want clear daylight between the two clubs. Can you imagine the whinging if one set of fans thought the other team was getting preferential treatment? BD16
  • Score: 0

7:31pm Tue 11 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

off topic I know but what is it with men from Bradford going missing and then turning up 3 days later in Bradford?
off topic I know but what is it with men from Bradford going missing and then turning up 3 days later in Bradford? alive and awake
  • Score: -1

7:42pm Tue 11 Mar 14

grafter1980 says...

The removal of a fence has ended the chance for speedway to be viable, not the fact the currents tenant is more than a £1m in debt?
The removal of a fence has ended the chance for speedway to be viable, not the fact the currents tenant is more than a £1m in debt? grafter1980
  • Score: 3

8:07pm Tue 11 Mar 14

bingleybantam says...

So the Bulls owners, at the time, scuppers it's chance of extra revenue from Stockcars & speedway? Cracking business planning there!
So the Bulls owners, at the time, scuppers it's chance of extra revenue from Stockcars & speedway? Cracking business planning there! bingleybantam
  • Score: 5

8:24pm Tue 11 Mar 14

axelf1963 says...

Don't worry Viking x 3 aliases Sheff Dull. Brian's wife, Mumbly et al will all try put a positive spin on it by saying they did not want it anyway,
Don't worry Viking x 3 aliases Sheff Dull. Brian's wife, Mumbly et al will all try put a positive spin on it by saying they did not want it anyway, axelf1963
  • Score: -8

8:31pm Tue 11 Mar 14

property man says...

here you lot go again, bleat,bleat,bleat, moan moan moan again not knowing the facts,one cabbage has stated the removal of the steel barriers is theft,DICK HEAD,look at the legal points to prove for the offence of theft,then shut the you know what up, as for the return of any kind of motorsport to Odsal has never ever been a possibility due to the excellent Coral stand, which by the way has a massive potential for raising income for the club, been built on the previous motorsport track,so it never was and never will return to Odsal,so do yourselves a favour stop squawking like demented parrots, get your **** to the games and support the Bulls
here you lot go again, bleat,bleat,bleat, moan moan moan again not knowing the facts,one cabbage has stated the removal of the steel barriers is theft,DICK HEAD,look at the legal points to prove for the offence of theft,then shut the you know what up, as for the return of any kind of motorsport to Odsal has never ever been a possibility due to the excellent Coral stand, which by the way has a massive potential for raising income for the club, been built on the previous motorsport track,so it never was and never will return to Odsal,so do yourselves a favour stop squawking like demented parrots, get your **** to the games and support the Bulls property man
  • Score: -6

9:29pm Tue 11 Mar 14

emerald tyke says...

Wouldnt support the bulls if they were across the road!! ... not the way theyve treated BRADFORDs stadium when they dont own it. feelings being felt and expressed here are about a stadium being totally wrecked... slowly, but no explanations as to why and Bradfordians should be rightly upset by this.
Wouldnt support the bulls if they were across the road!! ... not the way theyve treated BRADFORDs stadium when they dont own it. feelings being felt and expressed here are about a stadium being totally wrecked... slowly, but no explanations as to why and Bradfordians should be rightly upset by this. emerald tyke
  • Score: 1

9:32pm Tue 11 Mar 14

axelf1963 says...

Another Viking song verse

We're in the money.
We've now no speedway.
What a joke of a club we really are.
Another Viking song verse We're in the money. We've now no speedway. What a joke of a club we really are. axelf1963
  • Score: 3

10:21pm Tue 11 Mar 14

alive and awake says...

Old Dave wrote:
To clarify:
since 2012 and the Bulls being bought by Omar Khan, Tony Mole has been looking into the viability of a return of speedway to Odsal. There are very few speedway only venues in this country, most doubling up as greyhound tracks. the biggest speedway event in the UK is the British GP held at Cardiff Millennium stadium. The track is laid over the rugby/football pitch, and the pits are under the stands.

The SCB (Speedway's UK governing body) visited Odsal with Tony Mole (or at his request anyway) in early 2013 and stated that none of the structures, most notably the Coral stand, would prevent Odsal from being a viable speedway venue.

Until its closure in 1997, Odsal was regarded as one of the top, if not the top circuit in the world, hosting many flagship events including the British GP and world Championship events. There would have been no reason to suggest that this wouldnt have been the case again, virtually straight away. Last year, over 40,000 people went to the Cardiff event. Odsal would sell out its 26000 places easily for a top event.

In Elite/FIM events, an air fence is required. This would have been mounted on top of the steel fence that was there already. until Odsal closed to speedway in 1997 the metal fence had on it wooden boards with a spring mechanism to make it have a little "give" in the event of an impact.

The removal of the structural, steel fence, means that to get Odsal upto standard again is no longer financially viable. It is a massive shame.
I remember those steel barriers being installed, they were sections from old gas holders, very, very heavy.
[quote][p][bold]Old Dave[/bold] wrote: To clarify: since 2012 and the Bulls being bought by Omar Khan, Tony Mole has been looking into the viability of a return of speedway to Odsal. There are very few speedway only venues in this country, most doubling up as greyhound tracks. the biggest speedway event in the UK is the British GP held at Cardiff Millennium stadium. The track is laid over the rugby/football pitch, and the pits are under the stands. The SCB (Speedway's UK governing body) visited Odsal with Tony Mole (or at his request anyway) in early 2013 and stated that none of the structures, most notably the Coral stand, would prevent Odsal from being a viable speedway venue. Until its closure in 1997, Odsal was regarded as one of the top, if not the top circuit in the world, hosting many flagship events including the British GP and world Championship events. There would have been no reason to suggest that this wouldnt have been the case again, virtually straight away. Last year, over 40,000 people went to the Cardiff event. Odsal would sell out its 26000 places easily for a top event. In Elite/FIM events, an air fence is required. This would have been mounted on top of the steel fence that was there already. until Odsal closed to speedway in 1997 the metal fence had on it wooden boards with a spring mechanism to make it have a little "give" in the event of an impact. The removal of the structural, steel fence, means that to get Odsal upto standard again is no longer financially viable. It is a massive shame.[/p][/quote]I remember those steel barriers being installed, they were sections from old gas holders, very, very heavy. alive and awake
  • Score: 4

10:59pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

emerald tyke wrote:
Wouldnt support the bulls if they were across the road!! ... not the way theyve treated BRADFORDs stadium when they dont own it. feelings being felt and expressed here are about a stadium being totally wrecked... slowly, but no explanations as to why and Bradfordians should be rightly upset by this.
I wouldn't support them either but l did with Northern.
We had this scrap situation about the fencing and Reading Bullette said it wasn't worth much. Stick to your ironing dear, well you might have lots of time to do that soon.
I think Moore and co should come up with the relevant paperwork about the so called safety work. A story that a **** took it won't work. As council tax payers, ee should demand they have the proof of sale and the purchase or for the safety fencing from the landlords, the council.
A return of the speedway might have earned some decent revenue and given the city a better profile. Maybe it would have done a much better job of that than what the Bulls have in recent times.
[quote][p][bold]emerald tyke[/bold] wrote: Wouldnt support the bulls if they were across the road!! ... not the way theyve treated BRADFORDs stadium when they dont own it. feelings being felt and expressed here are about a stadium being totally wrecked... slowly, but no explanations as to why and Bradfordians should be rightly upset by this.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't support them either but l did with Northern. We had this scrap situation about the fencing and Reading Bullette said it wasn't worth much. Stick to your ironing dear, well you might have lots of time to do that soon. I think Moore and co should come up with the relevant paperwork about the so called safety work. A story that a **** took it won't work. As council tax payers, ee should demand they have the proof of sale and the purchase or for the safety fencing from the landlords, the council. A return of the speedway might have earned some decent revenue and given the city a better profile. Maybe it would have done a much better job of that than what the Bulls have in recent times. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 2

12:06am Wed 12 Mar 14

BigFigure says...

Just wondering....isn't Odsal Stadium owned by the Rugby League, rather than the council?
Just wondering....isn't Odsal Stadium owned by the Rugby League, rather than the council? BigFigure
  • Score: -4

1:35am Wed 12 Mar 14

MrQuinque says...

BigFigure wrote:
Just wondering....isn't Odsal Stadium owned by the Rugby League, rather than the council?
The Council owns the Stadium, the RFL own the lease to that stadium. The mismanagement of this club and its assets is astounding, I'm really having trouble seeing how the Bulls can be saved.
[quote][p][bold]BigFigure[/bold] wrote: Just wondering....isn't Odsal Stadium owned by the Rugby League, rather than the council?[/p][/quote]The Council owns the Stadium, the RFL own the lease to that stadium. The mismanagement of this club and its assets is astounding, I'm really having trouble seeing how the Bulls can be saved. MrQuinque
  • Score: 2

7:44am Wed 12 Mar 14

collos25 says...

If by some chance the board at Odsal could raise the money for a speedway track the old barrier would have had to have been removed so a new one that complies with the new regulations could be installed.
If by some chance the board at Odsal could raise the money for a speedway track the old barrier would have had to have been removed so a new one that complies with the new regulations could be installed. collos25
  • Score: -5

7:47am Wed 12 Mar 14

BigFigure says...

MrQuinque wrote:
BigFigure wrote:
Just wondering....isn't Odsal Stadium owned by the Rugby League, rather than the council?
The Council owns the Stadium, the RFL own the lease to that stadium. The mismanagement of this club and its assets is astounding, I'm really having trouble seeing how the Bulls can be saved.
Thanks! Agree it's looking grim up there...can see a Championship team playing at Valley Parade before too long
[quote][p][bold]MrQuinque[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigFigure[/bold] wrote: Just wondering....isn't Odsal Stadium owned by the Rugby League, rather than the council?[/p][/quote]The Council owns the Stadium, the RFL own the lease to that stadium. The mismanagement of this club and its assets is astounding, I'm really having trouble seeing how the Bulls can be saved.[/p][/quote]Thanks! Agree it's looking grim up there...can see a Championship team playing at Valley Parade before too long BigFigure
  • Score: 1

8:58am Wed 12 Mar 14

axelf1963 says...

Any old iron
Any old iron
Any any any old iron
Any old iron Any old iron Any any any old iron axelf1963
  • Score: 1

10:10am Wed 12 Mar 14

Duke of Odsal says...

collos25 wrote:
Duke of Odsal wrote:
collos25 wrote:
The metal fence would have to have been removed and replaced with a substantial crash barrier plus other safety issues would have had to been addressed before speedway had half a chance of returning to Odsal.
I think not. Berwick has a steel faced post and panel fence that is less than forgiving on direct impact. Any one who knows Speedway though will understand that the likelihood of a full tilt impact with the fence is relatively low. More likely is a glancing impact. At Berwick though they have introduced a polyfoam layer that sits in front of the fence. This does much the same job as the air fence used in Elite League and Speedway GP, and is also used in other motorsports.
So - the lack of a barrier is a problem - but the barrier that was there I would suggest was not a problem.
The bigger question though - the stadium is OWNED by the city. The RFL and the Bulls are merely tenant and sub-tenant respectively. What the Bulls have done is like a council house tenant stripping out the copper piping and selling it for scrap - fundamentally an act of theft which I suggest that landlord ought to be concerned about, especially as it has effectively closed down the prospect of wider use of the stadium.
The Dukes were an asset to the city when they operated, a clean and wholesome family sport (much like Rugby League) that brought the worlds attention to Odsal when world ranking events were held there.
I do give a hoot about Berwick I am talking about Odsal and what is required there by the H&S exectutive.
The point is that with the existing fence in place the only safety measure would be to add a foam or air fence to the existing structure. Even that is debatable are there are many tracks that operate without even that measure in place.
The Bulls have by their actions - the theft of landlord assets - rendered the site non-viable as a speedway and stock car venue due to the level of investment now needed to reinstate a safety fence. The Bulls have at least been consistent in this - they have never really wanted to share the ground with any other sports - and the cynic might consider that this was a tactical rather than economic measure to snuff out any prospects of that happening.
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Duke of Odsal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: The metal fence would have to have been removed and replaced with a substantial crash barrier plus other safety issues would have had to been addressed before speedway had half a chance of returning to Odsal.[/p][/quote]I think not. Berwick has a steel faced post and panel fence that is less than forgiving on direct impact. Any one who knows Speedway though will understand that the likelihood of a full tilt impact with the fence is relatively low. More likely is a glancing impact. At Berwick though they have introduced a polyfoam layer that sits in front of the fence. This does much the same job as the air fence used in Elite League and Speedway GP, and is also used in other motorsports. So - the lack of a barrier is a problem - but the barrier that was there I would suggest was not a problem. The bigger question though - the stadium is OWNED by the city. The RFL and the Bulls are merely tenant and sub-tenant respectively. What the Bulls have done is like a council house tenant stripping out the copper piping and selling it for scrap - fundamentally an act of theft which I suggest that landlord ought to be concerned about, especially as it has effectively closed down the prospect of wider use of the stadium. The Dukes were an asset to the city when they operated, a clean and wholesome family sport (much like Rugby League) that brought the worlds attention to Odsal when world ranking events were held there.[/p][/quote]I do give a hoot about Berwick I am talking about Odsal and what is required there by the H&S exectutive.[/p][/quote]The point is that with the existing fence in place the only safety measure would be to add a foam or air fence to the existing structure. Even that is debatable are there are many tracks that operate without even that measure in place. The Bulls have by their actions - the theft of landlord assets - rendered the site non-viable as a speedway and stock car venue due to the level of investment now needed to reinstate a safety fence. The Bulls have at least been consistent in this - they have never really wanted to share the ground with any other sports - and the cynic might consider that this was a tactical rather than economic measure to snuff out any prospects of that happening. Duke of Odsal
  • Score: 4

10:51am Wed 12 Mar 14

Albion. says...

collos25 wrote:
If by some chance the board at Odsal could raise the money for a speedway track the old barrier would have had to have been removed so a new one that complies with the new regulations could be installed.
Nonsense! The fence had been approved by the Speedway Control Bureau during a recent inspection. The costs involved were to be paid by the respective Speedway and Stockcar promoters. All that was required with the fence was the addition of an air fence which attaches to the existing fence. Air fences were made compulsory in Elite League Speedway several years ago. This season they are required in Premier League and National League racing (Tony Mole intended to enter the Premier League).
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: If by some chance the board at Odsal could raise the money for a speedway track the old barrier would have had to have been removed so a new one that complies with the new regulations could be installed.[/p][/quote]Nonsense! The fence had been approved by the Speedway Control Bureau during a recent inspection. The costs involved were to be paid by the respective Speedway and Stockcar promoters. All that was required with the fence was the addition of an air fence which attaches to the existing fence. Air fences were made compulsory in Elite League Speedway several years ago. This season they are required in Premier League and National League racing (Tony Mole intended to enter the Premier League). Albion.
  • Score: 4

4:33pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Odsal53 says...

I think the current track round the playing area is the same size as it was in the speedway glory days. The Speedway pits were to the right of The Coral Stand asyou look at it from the pitch, and on either side of the gate which allows eccsess to the track. The pits were at one time used for teams playing in cutain raisers to change in. This was in the late 50s early 60s and I speak from the experience of one who has done that. I also remember in those days the outer fence was the same one that was the fence to keep the crowds in so it was advisable to stand well back when attending a speedway meeting.
I think the current track round the playing area is the same size as it was in the speedway glory days. The Speedway pits were to the right of The Coral Stand asyou look at it from the pitch, and on either side of the gate which allows eccsess to the track. The pits were at one time used for teams playing in cutain raisers to change in. This was in the late 50s early 60s and I speak from the experience of one who has done that. I also remember in those days the outer fence was the same one that was the fence to keep the crowds in so it was advisable to stand well back when attending a speedway meeting. Odsal53
  • Score: 0

5:45pm Wed 12 Mar 14

raisemeup says...

Looking at the postings on here, I think it's a shame that further investigations were done as to the viabilty of the sport coming back to Bradford.

Personally though the posturing by Mr Mole, looks like his excuse for not really getting involved, as I understand it parts of the fence were already in a bad way. So whatever happened Mr Mole would have had to invest some money into the safety barriers,,It sounds like a smoke screen to shift the blame elsewhere...shame really.

Incidentaly axleft, my suspicions are confirmed, there is something wrong with you, besides the dual personality. Sorry you don't have one of them either?
Looking at the postings on here, I think it's a shame that further investigations were done as to the viabilty of the sport coming back to Bradford. Personally though the posturing by Mr Mole, looks like his excuse for not really getting involved, as I understand it parts of the fence were already in a bad way. So whatever happened Mr Mole would have had to invest some money into the safety barriers,,It sounds like a smoke screen to shift the blame elsewhere...shame really. Incidentaly axleft, my suspicions are confirmed, there is something wrong with you, besides the dual personality. Sorry you don't have one of them either? raisemeup
  • Score: -2

7:37pm Wed 12 Mar 14

portugalbull says...

raisemeup wrote:
Looking at the postings on here, I think it's a shame that further investigations were done as to the viabilty of the sport coming back to Bradford.

Personally though the posturing by Mr Mole, looks like his excuse for not really getting involved, as I understand it parts of the fence were already in a bad way. So whatever happened Mr Mole would have had to invest some money into the safety barriers,,It sounds like a smoke screen to shift the blame elsewhere...shame really.

Incidentaly axleft, my suspicions are confirmed, there is something wrong with you, besides the dual personality. Sorry you don't have one of them either?
What personality! Not even any!
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: Looking at the postings on here, I think it's a shame that further investigations were done as to the viabilty of the sport coming back to Bradford. Personally though the posturing by Mr Mole, looks like his excuse for not really getting involved, as I understand it parts of the fence were already in a bad way. So whatever happened Mr Mole would have had to invest some money into the safety barriers,,It sounds like a smoke screen to shift the blame elsewhere...shame really. Incidentaly axleft, my suspicions are confirmed, there is something wrong with you, besides the dual personality. Sorry you don't have one of them either?[/p][/quote]What personality! Not even any! portugalbull
  • Score: -1

8:23pm Wed 12 Mar 14

fifthcolumn says...

The metal fence was originally erected in the seventies when Stuart Bamforth took over running the stock car promotion and tarmaced the track. It has stayed in place all through the good times at the Bulls, which perhaps shows that even when the money was rolling in from Sky etc, the board still kept the door open to Motorsport? The executive boxes were even built on a curve around the edge of the track. This, contrary to property man aka M Moore esq, assertion that motor sport cannot take place, allowed racing to return to Odsal.
When Mole and Rees looked at a joint venture to get speedway and stock car racing back, they consulted with the governing bodies to ensure they met the respective safety requirements. Rees also had scoped the viability of the pits for the stock cars being located on the top banking behind the exec boxes and all the figures added up for both men.
The removal of the safety fence makes the project unviable economically now as the investment could not be recouped.
This is all thanks to a group of men who used assets they didn't own to pay for a club they didn't own.
The shame is that any group looking to buy the Bulls and leverage income from Motorsport as an income stream will not be able to exploit this possible source of revenue thanks to an act of vandalism.
The metal fence was originally erected in the seventies when Stuart Bamforth took over running the stock car promotion and tarmaced the track. It has stayed in place all through the good times at the Bulls, which perhaps shows that even when the money was rolling in from Sky etc, the board still kept the door open to Motorsport? The executive boxes were even built on a curve around the edge of the track. This, contrary to property man aka M Moore esq, assertion that motor sport cannot take place, allowed racing to return to Odsal. When Mole and Rees looked at a joint venture to get speedway and stock car racing back, they consulted with the governing bodies to ensure they met the respective safety requirements. Rees also had scoped the viability of the pits for the stock cars being located on the top banking behind the exec boxes and all the figures added up for both men. The removal of the safety fence makes the project unviable economically now as the investment could not be recouped. This is all thanks to a group of men who used assets they didn't own to pay for a club they didn't own. The shame is that any group looking to buy the Bulls and leverage income from Motorsport as an income stream will not be able to exploit this possible source of revenue thanks to an act of vandalism. fifthcolumn
  • Score: 4

10:20pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

No doubt the council will brush this one under the carpet to save face for their Bulls.
No doubt the council will brush this one under the carpet to save face for their Bulls. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 1

10:59am Thu 13 Mar 14

emerald tyke says...

property man wrote:
here you lot go again, bleat,bleat,bleat, moan moan moan again not knowing the facts,one cabbage has stated the removal of the steel barriers is theft,DICK HEAD,look at the legal points to prove for the offence of theft,then shut the you know what up, as for the return of any kind of motorsport to Odsal has never ever been a possibility due to the excellent Coral stand, which by the way has a massive potential for raising income for the club, been built on the previous motorsport track,so it never was and never will return to Odsal,so do yourselves a favour stop squawking like demented parrots, get your **** to the games and support the Bulls
Excellent Coral Stand hahaha , a massive potential for raising income....what planet are you on? Its a monstrosity and has not brought in any money or at least not substantial....or why are the Bulls in the situation they are in?
[quote][p][bold]property man[/bold] wrote: here you lot go again, bleat,bleat,bleat, moan moan moan again not knowing the facts,one cabbage has stated the removal of the steel barriers is theft,DICK HEAD,look at the legal points to prove for the offence of theft,then shut the you know what up, as for the return of any kind of motorsport to Odsal has never ever been a possibility due to the excellent Coral stand, which by the way has a massive potential for raising income for the club, been built on the previous motorsport track,so it never was and never will return to Odsal,so do yourselves a favour stop squawking like demented parrots, get your **** to the games and support the Bulls[/p][/quote]Excellent Coral Stand hahaha , a massive potential for raising income....what planet are you on? Its a monstrosity and has not brought in any money or at least not substantial....or why are the Bulls in the situation they are in? emerald tyke
  • Score: 1

5:13pm Sat 22 Mar 14

andykenny88 says...

The rugby team are the tennants and the council the landlords.
The tennants have removed a part of the stadiums structure and sold it.
If the council gave permission for this,why??
If there was no permission then its theft and the people responsible need to be found and charged and action needs to be taken to recover the monies.
As someone who goes to rugby league ,speedway and stock car racing I find what has happened here disgraceful .it seems like despite the sky money and being able to play at odsal they cannot make RL pay.Yet additional rental income from speedway/stock cars is there for the taking.Its as though they are saying if we cannot have odsal for only RL nobody is having it.
Well friends if that is what RL is about you can shove it where the sun don't shine.I wont go to another RL match simple as that.
The rugby team are the tennants and the council the landlords. The tennants have removed a part of the stadiums structure and sold it. If the council gave permission for this,why?? If there was no permission then its theft and the people responsible need to be found and charged and action needs to be taken to recover the monies. As someone who goes to rugby league ,speedway and stock car racing I find what has happened here disgraceful .it seems like despite the sky money and being able to play at odsal they cannot make RL pay.Yet additional rental income from speedway/stock cars is there for the taking.Its as though they are saying if we cannot have odsal for only RL nobody is having it. Well friends if that is what RL is about you can shove it where the sun don't shine.I wont go to another RL match simple as that. andykenny88
  • Score: 0

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