Mark Moore ‘no longer a director’ at Bradford Bulls

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Mark Moore, who is no longer a director of Bradford Bulls Mark Moore, who is no longer a director of Bradford Bulls

The future of Bradford Bulls remained uncertain tonight as official documents revealed that potential new owner Mark Moore is no longer a director of the Super League club.

A ‘current appointments report’ at Companies House showed his appointment as director had been ‘terminated’ in an entry dated January 6, although further details were not yet available to view.

Neither Bedzrus owner Mr Moore nor club chief executive Robbie Hunter-Paul were available for comment.

But a club spokesman, when asked whether Mr Moore remained a director of the club, said: “Bradford Bulls cannot comment at this time as external communication may harm the productive, ongoing discussion between all parties.”

Talks involving Mr Moore, majority shareholder Omar Khan, directors Ian Watt and Andrew Calvert and the Rugby Football League were expected to continue on Thursday in a bid to resolve the ongoing dispute over the ownership of the club.

As the Telegraph & Argus has reported, owner Mr Khan has so far refused to transfer his stake in the club, claiming Mr Moore and former director and general manager Ryan Whitcut have not paid him an agreed sum for the sale of the business.

However, Mr Moore and Mr Watt and Mr Calvert – who later joined as investors – say they found “massive holes” in the club’s finances.

A spokesman for Companies House confirmed an ‘appointment terminated’ document in relation to Mr Moore had been received and should be available to view soon.

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11:14pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Mike Strutter says...

Good on him, as reported on Xmas eve , who was it who then said he never resigned ? no other than the T & A !
Good on him, as reported on Xmas eve , who was it who then said he never resigned ? no other than the T & A ! Mike Strutter

11:31pm Tue 7 Jan 14

bradfordbronco says...

Standby for a busy day on here tomorrow. I predict there'll be over 60 comments on this one. We might even get Verse 3 of the Viking song. He should have got enough material for an entire album by now! I can tell you they'll definitely be a few "I told you so's". Do I get a badge for predicting that? The only thing I know is that nobody knows what's going on.
Standby for a busy day on here tomorrow. I predict there'll be over 60 comments on this one. We might even get Verse 3 of the Viking song. He should have got enough material for an entire album by now! I can tell you they'll definitely be a few "I told you so's". Do I get a badge for predicting that? The only thing I know is that nobody knows what's going on. bradfordbronco

5:40am Wed 8 Jan 14

StevieLad says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
Standby for a busy day on here tomorrow. I predict there'll be over 60 comments on this one. We might even get Verse 3 of the Viking song. He should have got enough material for an entire album by now! I can tell you they'll definitely be a few "I told you so's". Do I get a badge for predicting that? The only thing I know is that nobody knows what's going on.
Not exactly a bold prediction but thanks all the same
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Standby for a busy day on here tomorrow. I predict there'll be over 60 comments on this one. We might even get Verse 3 of the Viking song. He should have got enough material for an entire album by now! I can tell you they'll definitely be a few "I told you so's". Do I get a badge for predicting that? The only thing I know is that nobody knows what's going on.[/p][/quote]Not exactly a bold prediction but thanks all the same StevieLad

7:17am Wed 8 Jan 14

Miss Doubtfire says...

Yes T and A said he resigned on Christmas Eve because he said so himself in a statement. He then carried out a swift u turn days later and has now completed his three point turn.
Yes T and A said he resigned on Christmas Eve because he said so himself in a statement. He then carried out a swift u turn days later and has now completed his three point turn. Miss Doubtfire

7:42am Wed 8 Jan 14

Scrouge says...

StevieLad wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
Standby for a busy day on here tomorrow. I predict there'll be over 60 comments on this one. We might even get Verse 3 of the Viking song. He should have got enough material for an entire album by now! I can tell you they'll definitely be a few "I told you so's". Do I get a badge for predicting that? The only thing I know is that nobody knows what's going on.
Not exactly a bold prediction but thanks all the same
Can we have an Official statement. No More Lies please.
Sheffieldbull ,Rabtid, Handoff.????? They come on here like attack Dogs when the Truth is posted. MOORE no longer a Director on Companies House as I posted . Apology ??.
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Standby for a busy day on here tomorrow. I predict there'll be over 60 comments on this one. We might even get Verse 3 of the Viking song. He should have got enough material for an entire album by now! I can tell you they'll definitely be a few "I told you so's". Do I get a badge for predicting that? The only thing I know is that nobody knows what's going on.[/p][/quote]Not exactly a bold prediction but thanks all the same[/p][/quote]Can we have an Official statement. No More Lies please. Sheffieldbull ,Rabtid, Handoff.????? They come on here like attack Dogs when the Truth is posted. MOORE no longer a Director on Companies House as I posted . Apology ??. Scrouge

8:01am Wed 8 Jan 14

AUGUST1964 says...

Lazy reporting,what about interviewing for first hand info
Lazy reporting,what about interviewing for first hand info AUGUST1964

8:09am Wed 8 Jan 14

bartsbull says...

Its is time for an oficial statement from the club we as supporters deserve that
we have backed our club through thick an thin
Let us know who is in charge and where we go from here let us have some good news as it is very scarce at the moment .
I like many others will be there to the end Robbie as gone very quiet over the last few weeks i know talks are still on going but give the fans some credit
and lets have soe god news instead of all the doom and gloom
Its is time for an oficial statement from the club we as supporters deserve that we have backed our club through thick an thin Let us know who is in charge and where we go from here let us have some good news as it is very scarce at the moment . I like many others will be there to the end Robbie as gone very quiet over the last few weeks i know talks are still on going but give the fans some credit and lets have soe god news instead of all the doom and gloom bartsbull

8:21am Wed 8 Jan 14

rinkydink says...

Companies house also states:

"Bradford Bulls - Status: Active - Proposal to Strike off "
Companies house also states: "Bradford Bulls - Status: Active - Proposal to Strike off " rinkydink

8:29am Wed 8 Jan 14

oddshapedballs says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
Good on him, as reported on Xmas eve , who was it who then said he never resigned ? no other than the T & A !
It says 6th of jan was when this was discovered. Perhaps that is when he resigned???
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: Good on him, as reported on Xmas eve , who was it who then said he never resigned ? no other than the T & A ![/p][/quote]It says 6th of jan was when this was discovered. Perhaps that is when he resigned??? oddshapedballs

8:34am Wed 8 Jan 14

oddshapedballs says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
Lazy reporting,what about interviewing for first hand info
Read the articleot lazy reporting no comment would be made!
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: Lazy reporting,what about interviewing for first hand info[/p][/quote]Read the articleot lazy reporting no comment would be made! oddshapedballs

8:34am Wed 8 Jan 14

oddshapedballs says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
Lazy reporting,what about interviewing for first hand info
Read the articleot lazy reporting no comment would be made!
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: Lazy reporting,what about interviewing for first hand info[/p][/quote]Read the articleot lazy reporting no comment would be made! oddshapedballs

8:55am Wed 8 Jan 14

nosher says...

What a shambles. NEXT
What a shambles. NEXT nosher

9:03am Wed 8 Jan 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

I notice this RABTID bloke appears to have appeared at the same time Viking disapeared and seems to enjoy abusing anyone who doesn't tow the party line. Hmmmm.
I notice this RABTID bloke appears to have appeared at the same time Viking disapeared and seems to enjoy abusing anyone who doesn't tow the party line. Hmmmm. Thee Voice of Reason

9:11am Wed 8 Jan 14

-HCK3R- says...

Seeing as it was Moore and Whitcut that allegedly made the original deal With Khan and his threat of legal action against them maybe it was his involvement that was holding up the takeover ..........
Seeing as it was Moore and Whitcut that allegedly made the original deal With Khan and his threat of legal action against them maybe it was his involvement that was holding up the takeover .......... -HCK3R-

9:14am Wed 8 Jan 14

Adeybull says...

rinkydink wrote:
Companies house also states:

"Bradford Bulls - Status: Active - Proposal to Strike off "
Irrelevant.

You are looking at the wrong company. Bradford Bulls Ltd is one of the subsidiaries of the old Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd. In fact, it was used as the vehicle for the old lotteries, pre-administration.

Nothing whatsoever to do with OK Bulls Ltd.
[quote][p][bold]rinkydink[/bold] wrote: Companies house also states: "Bradford Bulls - Status: Active - Proposal to Strike off "[/p][/quote]Irrelevant. You are looking at the wrong company. Bradford Bulls Ltd is one of the subsidiaries of the old Bradford Bulls Holdings Ltd. In fact, it was used as the vehicle for the old lotteries, pre-administration. Nothing whatsoever to do with OK Bulls Ltd. Adeybull

9:25am Wed 8 Jan 14

Parz says...

At least it's not been a dull off season!
At least it's not been a dull off season! Parz

9:30am Wed 8 Jan 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Knowing what is known now. How many season ticket holders would have parted with their money? It seems the fans have been made to hand over money to a clearly insolvent company. If this was people booking holidays there would be outrage, because it's a sports club it is deemed acceptable.
Knowing what is known now. How many season ticket holders would have parted with their money? It seems the fans have been made to hand over money to a clearly insolvent company. If this was people booking holidays there would be outrage, because it's a sports club it is deemed acceptable. Thee Voice of Reason

9:34am Wed 8 Jan 14

AUGUST1964 says...

oddshapedballs wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote: Lazy reporting,what about interviewing for first hand info
Read the articleot lazy reporting no comment would be made!
Read the time this article was written 9.50pm who would be at Odsal at that time?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: Lazy reporting,what about interviewing for first hand info[/p][/quote]Read the articleot lazy reporting no comment would be made![/p][/quote]Read the time this article was written 9.50pm who would be at Odsal at that time?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! AUGUST1964

9:51am Wed 8 Jan 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
oddshapedballs wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote: Lazy reporting,what about interviewing for first hand info
Read the articleot lazy reporting no comment would be made!
Read the time this article was written 9.50pm who would be at Odsal at that time?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!
Bailiffs?
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: Lazy reporting,what about interviewing for first hand info[/p][/quote]Read the articleot lazy reporting no comment would be made![/p][/quote]Read the time this article was written 9.50pm who would be at Odsal at that time?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!![/p][/quote]Bailiffs? Thee Voice of Reason

10:07am Wed 8 Jan 14

BigPuff says...

http://www.dailystar
.co.uk/rugby-league/
359400/EXCLUSIVE-Joh
n-Bateman-s-battered
-body-is-fixed-after
-his-transfer-to-Wig
an-Warriors

I believe John more than the club.

We have turned into a club who can no longer look after its own players.
http://www.dailystar .co.uk/rugby-league/ 359400/EXCLUSIVE-Joh n-Bateman-s-battered -body-is-fixed-after -his-transfer-to-Wig an-Warriors I believe John more than the club. We have turned into a club who can no longer look after its own players. BigPuff

10:15am Wed 8 Jan 14

expatbull says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Knowing what is known now. How many season ticket holders would have parted with their money? It seems the fans have been made to hand over money to a clearly insolvent company. If this was people booking holidays there would be outrage, because it's a sports club it is deemed acceptable.
Two blokes came to my house and MADE me buy a season ticket,,,lol get real no one MADE anyone part with money.
Lets wait till Thursday and see what happens perhaps MM was a stumbling block that needed to be removed before real progress could happen.
Remember the club still has more than enough directors to go around. I don't envy the board position at this time but petty point scoring wont help,hence the position the clubs in now...
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Knowing what is known now. How many season ticket holders would have parted with their money? It seems the fans have been made to hand over money to a clearly insolvent company. If this was people booking holidays there would be outrage, because it's a sports club it is deemed acceptable.[/p][/quote]Two blokes came to my house and MADE me buy a season ticket,,,lol get real no one MADE anyone part with money. Lets wait till Thursday and see what happens perhaps MM was a stumbling block that needed to be removed before real progress could happen. Remember the club still has more than enough directors to go around. I don't envy the board position at this time but petty point scoring wont help,hence the position the clubs in now... expatbull

10:21am Wed 8 Jan 14

AUGUST1964 says...

BigPuff wrote:
http://www.dailystar .co.uk/rugby-league/ 359400/EXCLUSIVE-Joh n-Bateman-s-battered -body-is-fixed-after -his-transfer-to-Wig an-Warriors I believe John more than the club. We have turned into a club who can no longer look after its own players.
Really chuffed for Bateman, but what has this got to do with the current article you bg puff
[quote][p][bold]BigPuff[/bold] wrote: http://www.dailystar .co.uk/rugby-league/ 359400/EXCLUSIVE-Joh n-Bateman-s-battered -body-is-fixed-after -his-transfer-to-Wig an-Warriors I believe John more than the club. We have turned into a club who can no longer look after its own players.[/p][/quote]Really chuffed for Bateman, but what has this got to do with the current article you bg puff AUGUST1964

10:43am Wed 8 Jan 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.
Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out. Thee Voice of Reason

11:00am Wed 8 Jan 14

bullybullman says...

The only obstacle now is Omar he will have little choice but to hand over his shares or he will face legal action from the RFL. He made a range of promises & gave agreements on several financial aspects which he has reneged & broken all will be resolved tomorrow.

This does not mean we are out of the woods of course financial but OK will be a distant sour tasting memory by the end of the week. There is a real positive waiting in the wings but this will only come to fruition once OK has surrendered his shares things will look a whole lot brighter next week trust me.

One thing for sure is OK is not the man he claimed to be & as for Gerry Sutcliffe well you can only hope the full facts come out in the months to come.

We will be fine & the end of this saga is in sight just hope anyone who is loyal to the club will turn up & watch the home games & support our club then we can start to recover.

I would also like to say that I think the players & Franny in particular have been magnificant through all this, things will turn round with only 5 weeks to go till the season starts we can soon start to put thing right.
The only obstacle now is Omar he will have little choice but to hand over his shares or he will face legal action from the RFL. He made a range of promises & gave agreements on several financial aspects which he has reneged & broken all will be resolved tomorrow. This does not mean we are out of the woods of course financial but OK will be a distant sour tasting memory by the end of the week. There is a real positive waiting in the wings but this will only come to fruition once OK has surrendered his shares things will look a whole lot brighter next week trust me. One thing for sure is OK is not the man he claimed to be & as for Gerry Sutcliffe well you can only hope the full facts come out in the months to come. We will be fine & the end of this saga is in sight just hope anyone who is loyal to the club will turn up & watch the home games & support our club then we can start to recover. I would also like to say that I think the players & Franny in particular have been magnificant through all this, things will turn round with only 5 weeks to go till the season starts we can soon start to put thing right. bullybullman

11:05am Wed 8 Jan 14

bullybullman says...

Omar his having all his aces taken away its just a move to secure an outcome dont read anything more into this things are getting there.
Omar his having all his aces taken away its just a move to secure an outcome dont read anything more into this things are getting there. bullybullman

11:13am Wed 8 Jan 14

AUGUST1964 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.
Wishful thinking on your part I believe!
Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em.
Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.[/p][/quote]Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics. AUGUST1964

11:14am Wed 8 Jan 14

hx3bantam says...

Another day in Paradise!
Another day in Paradise! hx3bantam

11:34am Wed 8 Jan 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.
Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.
I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls.

This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge.
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.[/p][/quote]Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.[/p][/quote]I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls. This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge. Thee Voice of Reason

12:00pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Adeybull says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.
Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.
I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls.

This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge.
Except, no.

It has already been made clear - at the earlier forum, and subsequently - that the issues pre-date Moore's management involvement. On OK's watch, with Whitcut in dcharge of running the club on a day to day basis.

It was reported many weeks ago Whitcut failed the "fit and proper" test, so stood down. It was reported some time ago, and reiterated in reports since, that much - including the additional debts and financial shortfall - came out of the woodwork after Whitcut went and the incoming group of three went trhough the books and forecasts. Together.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.[/p][/quote]Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.[/p][/quote]I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls. This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge.[/p][/quote]Except, no. It has already been made clear - at the earlier forum, and subsequently - that the issues pre-date Moore's management involvement. On OK's watch, with Whitcut in dcharge of running the club on a day to day basis. It was reported many weeks ago Whitcut failed the "fit and proper" test, so stood down. It was reported some time ago, and reiterated in reports since, that much - including the additional debts and financial shortfall - came out of the woodwork after Whitcut went and the incoming group of three went trhough the books and forecasts. Together. Adeybull

12:03pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Parz says...

Perhaps OK just doesn't want to sell up to Moore, considering all this ownership arguement seems to between Khan, Moore and Whitcut. I'd be perfectly happy with just Calvert and Watt as Directors if need be. From what you read Calvert seems to be the one with the best financial sense anyway. Whatever's best for the Club in the long run.

Obviously, I'm only speculating. I know as much/little as anyone else.

Is time to start the season yet? :/
Perhaps OK just doesn't want to sell up to Moore, considering all this ownership arguement seems to between Khan, Moore and Whitcut. I'd be perfectly happy with just Calvert and Watt as Directors if need be. From what you read Calvert seems to be the one with the best financial sense anyway. Whatever's best for the Club in the long run. Obviously, I'm only speculating. I know as much/little as anyone else. Is time to start the season yet? :/ Parz

12:11pm Wed 8 Jan 14

grafter1980 says...

bullybullman wrote:
Omar his having all his aces taken away its just a move to secure an outcome dont read anything more into this things are getting there.
Agree with both your comments. Resignation undermines the statement which T & A communicated (without question) by OK 'I wont do anything to effect the club I am pursuing RW & MM personally'

Also suspect OK's pals will want this sorting tomorrow before anymore dirty laundry aired in public.
[quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: Omar his having all his aces taken away its just a move to secure an outcome dont read anything more into this things are getting there.[/p][/quote]Agree with both your comments. Resignation undermines the statement which T & A communicated (without question) by OK 'I wont do anything to effect the club I am pursuing RW & MM personally' Also suspect OK's pals will want this sorting tomorrow before anymore dirty laundry aired in public. grafter1980

1:09pm Wed 8 Jan 14

BD16 says...

Adeybull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.
Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.
I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls. This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge.
Except, no. It has already been made clear - at the earlier forum, and subsequently - that the issues pre-date Moore's management involvement. On OK's watch, with Whitcut in dcharge of running the club on a day to day basis. It was reported many weeks ago Whitcut failed the "fit and proper" test, so stood down. It was reported some time ago, and reiterated in reports since, that much - including the additional debts and financial shortfall - came out of the woodwork after Whitcut went and the incoming group of three went trhough the books and forecasts. Together.
Wouldn't, or shouldn't, due dilligence have shown the additional debts and shortfalls prior to Whitcutt and Moore signing any agreements?
[quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.[/p][/quote]Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.[/p][/quote]I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls. This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge.[/p][/quote]Except, no. It has already been made clear - at the earlier forum, and subsequently - that the issues pre-date Moore's management involvement. On OK's watch, with Whitcut in dcharge of running the club on a day to day basis. It was reported many weeks ago Whitcut failed the "fit and proper" test, so stood down. It was reported some time ago, and reiterated in reports since, that much - including the additional debts and financial shortfall - came out of the woodwork after Whitcut went and the incoming group of three went trhough the books and forecasts. Together.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't, or shouldn't, due dilligence have shown the additional debts and shortfalls prior to Whitcutt and Moore signing any agreements? BD16

1:32pm Wed 8 Jan 14

StevieLad says...

BD16 wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.
Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.
I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls. This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge.
Except, no. It has already been made clear - at the earlier forum, and subsequently - that the issues pre-date Moore's management involvement. On OK's watch, with Whitcut in dcharge of running the club on a day to day basis. It was reported many weeks ago Whitcut failed the "fit and proper" test, so stood down. It was reported some time ago, and reiterated in reports since, that much - including the additional debts and financial shortfall - came out of the woodwork after Whitcut went and the incoming group of three went trhough the books and forecasts. Together.
Wouldn't, or shouldn't, due dilligence have shown the additional debts and shortfalls prior to Whitcutt and Moore signing any agreements?
You could have asked that at the forum
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.[/p][/quote]Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.[/p][/quote]I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls. This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge.[/p][/quote]Except, no. It has already been made clear - at the earlier forum, and subsequently - that the issues pre-date Moore's management involvement. On OK's watch, with Whitcut in dcharge of running the club on a day to day basis. It was reported many weeks ago Whitcut failed the "fit and proper" test, so stood down. It was reported some time ago, and reiterated in reports since, that much - including the additional debts and financial shortfall - came out of the woodwork after Whitcut went and the incoming group of three went trhough the books and forecasts. Together.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't, or shouldn't, due dilligence have shown the additional debts and shortfalls prior to Whitcutt and Moore signing any agreements?[/p][/quote]You could have asked that at the forum StevieLad

1:46pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Adeybull says...

BD16: indeed, you would have thought so.

Remember, though, that it would seem from what was reported that OK's decision to step down - and sell up - was taken at relatively short order, due to his health scare (which was genuine, not contrived). I speculate that that left little time for comprehensive due diligence, if a quick transition was to be effected?

I also speculate that everyone (OK, the invisible Gerry, Moore, Robbie. the club cat...) may have been relying on Whitcut to know what he was doing and have a good handle on things. He WAS General Manager, entrusted by OK and one of our elected representatives with running the club, after all? And that maybe the one area of DD that might have been overlooked or under-played - until too late - was on Whitcut himself?

Don't forget, all this public waknerage is NOT primarily about the club itself. Despite the best endeavours of the various agitators on here to try and have people think otherwise. It is about whether Moore (I doubt Whitcut will put in an appearance any time soon) - or anyone else - is prepared to pay OK good money for shares that have now been shown to be worse than worthless.

Without seeing the terms of the sale and purchase agreement, I suggest we can none of us know what warranties and representations (if any) OK gave, and therefore the extent of the due dilligence that would prudently have been needed?
BD16: indeed, you would have thought so. Remember, though, that it would seem from what was reported that OK's decision to step down - and sell up - was taken at relatively short order, due to his health scare (which was genuine, not contrived). I speculate that that left little time for comprehensive due diligence, if a quick transition was to be effected? I also speculate that everyone (OK, the invisible Gerry, Moore, Robbie. the club cat...) may have been relying on Whitcut to know what he was doing and have a good handle on things. He WAS General Manager, entrusted by OK and one of our elected representatives with running the club, after all? And that maybe the one area of DD that might have been overlooked or under-played - until too late - was on Whitcut himself? Don't forget, all this public waknerage is NOT primarily about the club itself. Despite the best endeavours of the various agitators on here to try and have people think otherwise. It is about whether Moore (I doubt Whitcut will put in an appearance any time soon) - or anyone else - is prepared to pay OK good money for shares that have now been shown to be worse than worthless. Without seeing the terms of the sale and purchase agreement, I suggest we can none of us know what warranties and representations (if any) OK gave, and therefore the extent of the due dilligence that would prudently have been needed? Adeybull

2:24pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Madam meow says...

No-one know what is going on behind the closed doors at the Bulls and that`s how it should be until all is out (hopefully)
No-one know what is going on behind the closed doors at the Bulls and that`s how it should be until all is out (hopefully) Madam meow

2:52pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Pablo says...

I bet Mark Moore is a very relieved man.

Now, who in their right mind is waiting in the wings?
I bet Mark Moore is a very relieved man. Now, who in their right mind is waiting in the wings? Pablo

2:58pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Scrouge says...

Madam meow wrote:
No-one know what is going on behind the closed doors at the Bulls and that`s how it should be until all is out (hopefully)
You are correct there! Those in the Management ??? Sorry not sure what to call them. They are making it up as they go along, no experience or successful track record in Business. Fact! Always someone's else's Fault, getting tedious. Hear. Carvell back training at Warrington????. Fed up already?
[quote][p][bold]Madam meow[/bold] wrote: No-one know what is going on behind the closed doors at the Bulls and that`s how it should be until all is out (hopefully)[/p][/quote]You are correct there! Those in the Management ??? Sorry not sure what to call them. They are making it up as they go along, no experience or successful track record in Business. Fact! Always someone's else's Fault, getting tedious. Hear. Carvell back training at Warrington????. Fed up already? Scrouge

3:14pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Lythambull says...

Scrouge wrote:
Madam meow wrote: No-one know what is going on behind the closed doors at the Bulls and that`s how it should be until all is out (hopefully)
You are correct there! Those in the Management ??? Sorry not sure what to call them. They are making it up as they go along, no experience or successful track record in Business. Fact! Always someone's else's Fault, getting tedious. Hear. Carvell back training at Warrington????. Fed up already?
And is he also off to Australia with them?? Seems an odd statement to make, got anything to back it up with?
[quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Madam meow[/bold] wrote: No-one know what is going on behind the closed doors at the Bulls and that`s how it should be until all is out (hopefully)[/p][/quote]You are correct there! Those in the Management ??? Sorry not sure what to call them. They are making it up as they go along, no experience or successful track record in Business. Fact! Always someone's else's Fault, getting tedious. Hear. Carvell back training at Warrington????. Fed up already?[/p][/quote]And is he also off to Australia with them?? Seems an odd statement to make, got anything to back it up with? Lythambull

3:34pm Wed 8 Jan 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

OK is not going to sign his shares over without payment; he has a number of debts to pay and the only way he can do that is by either getting the money MM agreed to buy the club off him for or letting the Club go into administration; cutting his losses and walking away.

There is a rumour that there is a wind up order in the process of being served by one of the creditors who is owed £180K so unless they have tried to sell all the metal around the ground for scrape (again); we as a Club are on the edge again and there is no safety net.
OK is not going to sign his shares over without payment; he has a number of debts to pay and the only way he can do that is by either getting the money MM agreed to buy the club off him for or letting the Club go into administration; cutting his losses and walking away. There is a rumour that there is a wind up order in the process of being served by one of the creditors who is owed £180K so unless they have tried to sell all the metal around the ground for scrape (again); we as a Club are on the edge again and there is no safety net. fedupwiththeBS

3:53pm Wed 8 Jan 14

bullybullman says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.
TVOR - The club has got to keep going they are not going to roll over & accept its the end when clearly it is not ! The financial issues are down to club debts & shares nothing to do with the supporter who wants to buy a season tickets. If the club changes trading name , ownership or fold & re-starts season tickets will be honoured it would be pointless not to.

Think about it why would the club do that & expect a supporter to buy another under the new ownership it just wont happen.

You are obviously an intelligent person & just lately you have made some good valid posts but you always have to chase the conspiracy theory.

5 weeks time the Bulls will take to the field at Odsal & anyone with a season ticket will be able to get in & watch no fear the club will now be run as a business yes cuts will be made but what do we expect when its going to be run as a business.

Time now to stop scouring companies house every day sit back & see what unfolds because in reality it doesn’t mater how close we are to the club only the directors & the RFL will have the final say in what happens.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.[/p][/quote]TVOR - The club has got to keep going they are not going to roll over & accept its the end when clearly it is not ! The financial issues are down to club debts & shares nothing to do with the supporter who wants to buy a season tickets. If the club changes trading name , ownership or fold & re-starts season tickets will be honoured it would be pointless not to. Think about it why would the club do that & expect a supporter to buy another under the new ownership it just wont happen. You are obviously an intelligent person & just lately you have made some good valid posts but you always have to chase the conspiracy theory. 5 weeks time the Bulls will take to the field at Odsal & anyone with a season ticket will be able to get in & watch no fear the club will now be run as a business yes cuts will be made but what do we expect when its going to be run as a business. Time now to stop scouring companies house every day sit back & see what unfolds because in reality it doesn’t mater how close we are to the club only the directors & the RFL will have the final say in what happens. bullybullman

3:57pm Wed 8 Jan 14

bullybullman says...

fedupwiththeBS wrote:
OK is not going to sign his shares over without payment; he has a number of debts to pay and the only way he can do that is by either getting the money MM agreed to buy the club off him for or letting the Club go into administration; cutting his losses and walking away.

There is a rumour that there is a wind up order in the process of being served by one of the creditors who is owed £180K so unless they have tried to sell all the metal around the ground for scrape (again); we as a Club are on the edge again and there is no safety net.
There is only one creditor with a sum of 1.2 million owed & this creditor is the RFL so forget that one.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: OK is not going to sign his shares over without payment; he has a number of debts to pay and the only way he can do that is by either getting the money MM agreed to buy the club off him for or letting the Club go into administration; cutting his losses and walking away. There is a rumour that there is a wind up order in the process of being served by one of the creditors who is owed £180K so unless they have tried to sell all the metal around the ground for scrape (again); we as a Club are on the edge again and there is no safety net.[/p][/quote]There is only one creditor with a sum of 1.2 million owed & this creditor is the RFL so forget that one. bullybullman

5:24pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Scrouge says...

Lythambull wrote:
Scrouge wrote:
Madam meow wrote: No-one know what is going on behind the closed doors at the Bulls and that`s how it should be until all is out (hopefully)
You are correct there! Those in the Management ??? Sorry not sure what to call them. They are making it up as they go along, no experience or successful track record in Business. Fact! Always someone's else's Fault, getting tedious. Hear. Carvell back training at Warrington????. Fed up already?
And is he also off to Australia with them?? Seems an odd statement to make, got anything to back it up with?
You think he is off to Australia? Are you in the know? Cummins says he has 4or5 members who are working notice and are training well. Tell us who they are , Name Them, I know you want too. Ha ha
[quote][p][bold]Lythambull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Madam meow[/bold] wrote: No-one know what is going on behind the closed doors at the Bulls and that`s how it should be until all is out (hopefully)[/p][/quote]You are correct there! Those in the Management ??? Sorry not sure what to call them. They are making it up as they go along, no experience or successful track record in Business. Fact! Always someone's else's Fault, getting tedious. Hear. Carvell back training at Warrington????. Fed up already?[/p][/quote]And is he also off to Australia with them?? Seems an odd statement to make, got anything to back it up with?[/p][/quote]You think he is off to Australia? Are you in the know? Cummins says he has 4or5 members who are working notice and are training well. Tell us who they are , Name Them, I know you want too. Ha ha Scrouge

5:55pm Wed 8 Jan 14

BierleyBoy says...

BD16 wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.
Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.
I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls. This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge.
Except, no. It has already been made clear - at the earlier forum, and subsequently - that the issues pre-date Moore's management involvement. On OK's watch, with Whitcut in dcharge of running the club on a day to day basis. It was reported many weeks ago Whitcut failed the "fit and proper" test, so stood down. It was reported some time ago, and reiterated in reports since, that much - including the additional debts and financial shortfall - came out of the woodwork after Whitcut went and the incoming group of three went trhough the books and forecasts. Together.
Wouldn't, or shouldn't, due dilligence have shown the additional debts and shortfalls prior to Whitcutt and Moore signing any agreements?
Whitcut was left in place by Khan to sell the club. When it looked like he'd snared a buyer all was well. When that buyer realised the full extent of the financial mess, he baulked.

IMO Whitcut didn't give a full & accurate picture when selling. Khan isn't going to pursue Whitcut, he's his right hand man. Nor is he going to pursue Moore, he'd leave himself open to potential charges of misrepresentation.

Whitcut took out the £180k debenture with SSG just four days after Khan quit as a director. It is impossible to set up such a deal in four days. It is unthinkable that Khan did not know this deal was being done.

The solicitors who handled it are business associates of Khan and staff are known personally to him.

Khan paid £225k for the assets from P&A but wants £300k for a debt ridden company.

If I wee a Bulls season ticket holder, I'd be getting my money out asap. You are being treated appallingly.

The Labour Party in Bradford is mired in this messy little affair and they should all be held to account. The loan authorised by David Green needs investigating and Sutcliffe needs to be voted out in 2015.

A corrupt bunch of people if ever there was one.
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.[/p][/quote]Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.[/p][/quote]I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls. This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge.[/p][/quote]Except, no. It has already been made clear - at the earlier forum, and subsequently - that the issues pre-date Moore's management involvement. On OK's watch, with Whitcut in dcharge of running the club on a day to day basis. It was reported many weeks ago Whitcut failed the "fit and proper" test, so stood down. It was reported some time ago, and reiterated in reports since, that much - including the additional debts and financial shortfall - came out of the woodwork after Whitcut went and the incoming group of three went trhough the books and forecasts. Together.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't, or shouldn't, due dilligence have shown the additional debts and shortfalls prior to Whitcutt and Moore signing any agreements?[/p][/quote]Whitcut was left in place by Khan to sell the club. When it looked like he'd snared a buyer all was well. When that buyer realised the full extent of the financial mess, he baulked. IMO Whitcut didn't give a full & accurate picture when selling. Khan isn't going to pursue Whitcut, he's his right hand man. Nor is he going to pursue Moore, he'd leave himself open to potential charges of misrepresentation. Whitcut took out the £180k debenture with SSG just four days after Khan quit as a director. It is impossible to set up such a deal in four days. It is unthinkable that Khan did not know this deal was being done. The solicitors who handled it are business associates of Khan and staff are known personally to him. Khan paid £225k for the assets from P&A but wants £300k for a debt ridden company. If I wee a Bulls season ticket holder, I'd be getting my money out asap. You are being treated appallingly. The Labour Party in Bradford is mired in this messy little affair and they should all be held to account. The loan authorised by David Green needs investigating and Sutcliffe needs to be voted out in 2015. A corrupt bunch of people if ever there was one. BierleyBoy

6:40pm Wed 8 Jan 14

blue marlin says...

As a long standing bulls fan it's very sad to see what is going on but should somebody not be giving fans and other interested parties ( council tax payees) an idea what is happening?
As a long standing bulls fan it's very sad to see what is going on but should somebody not be giving fans and other interested parties ( council tax payees) an idea what is happening? blue marlin

6:46pm Wed 8 Jan 14

grafter1980 says...

BierleyBoy wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.
Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.
I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls. This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge.
Except, no. It has already been made clear - at the earlier forum, and subsequently - that the issues pre-date Moore's management involvement. On OK's watch, with Whitcut in dcharge of running the club on a day to day basis. It was reported many weeks ago Whitcut failed the "fit and proper" test, so stood down. It was reported some time ago, and reiterated in reports since, that much - including the additional debts and financial shortfall - came out of the woodwork after Whitcut went and the incoming group of three went trhough the books and forecasts. Together.
Wouldn't, or shouldn't, due dilligence have shown the additional debts and shortfalls prior to Whitcutt and Moore signing any agreements?
Whitcut was left in place by Khan to sell the club. When it looked like he'd snared a buyer all was well. When that buyer realised the full extent of the financial mess, he baulked.

IMO Whitcut didn't give a full & accurate picture when selling. Khan isn't going to pursue Whitcut, he's his right hand man. Nor is he going to pursue Moore, he'd leave himself open to potential charges of misrepresentation.

Whitcut took out the £180k debenture with SSG just four days after Khan quit as a director. It is impossible to set up such a deal in four days. It is unthinkable that Khan did not know this deal was being done.

The solicitors who handled it are business associates of Khan and staff are known personally to him.

Khan paid £225k for the assets from P&A but wants £300k for a debt ridden company.

If I wee a Bulls season ticket holder, I'd be getting my money out asap. You are being treated appallingly.

The Labour Party in Bradford is mired in this messy little affair and they should all be held to account. The loan authorised by David Green needs investigating and Sutcliffe needs to be voted out in 2015.

A corrupt bunch of people if ever there was one.
Agree, this whole thing is damaging RL in general. If OK wants to drag it out, if I were the RFL, I'd start been a bit more public in my criticism. At the minute ( particularly in T & A) it appears that Watt/Calvert/Moore are culpable for everything that is wrong at Bulls, and as far as I can see that's not the case.

I also saw a post re Franny doing a good job... totally agree the position he ( and the players) have been put in over the last couple of years is a disgrace.
[quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.[/p][/quote]Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.[/p][/quote]I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls. This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge.[/p][/quote]Except, no. It has already been made clear - at the earlier forum, and subsequently - that the issues pre-date Moore's management involvement. On OK's watch, with Whitcut in dcharge of running the club on a day to day basis. It was reported many weeks ago Whitcut failed the "fit and proper" test, so stood down. It was reported some time ago, and reiterated in reports since, that much - including the additional debts and financial shortfall - came out of the woodwork after Whitcut went and the incoming group of three went trhough the books and forecasts. Together.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't, or shouldn't, due dilligence have shown the additional debts and shortfalls prior to Whitcutt and Moore signing any agreements?[/p][/quote]Whitcut was left in place by Khan to sell the club. When it looked like he'd snared a buyer all was well. When that buyer realised the full extent of the financial mess, he baulked. IMO Whitcut didn't give a full & accurate picture when selling. Khan isn't going to pursue Whitcut, he's his right hand man. Nor is he going to pursue Moore, he'd leave himself open to potential charges of misrepresentation. Whitcut took out the £180k debenture with SSG just four days after Khan quit as a director. It is impossible to set up such a deal in four days. It is unthinkable that Khan did not know this deal was being done. The solicitors who handled it are business associates of Khan and staff are known personally to him. Khan paid £225k for the assets from P&A but wants £300k for a debt ridden company. If I wee a Bulls season ticket holder, I'd be getting my money out asap. You are being treated appallingly. The Labour Party in Bradford is mired in this messy little affair and they should all be held to account. The loan authorised by David Green needs investigating and Sutcliffe needs to be voted out in 2015. A corrupt bunch of people if ever there was one.[/p][/quote]Agree, this whole thing is damaging RL in general. If OK wants to drag it out, if I were the RFL, I'd start been a bit more public in my criticism. At the minute ( particularly in T & A) it appears that Watt/Calvert/Moore are culpable for everything that is wrong at Bulls, and as far as I can see that's not the case. I also saw a post re Franny doing a good job... totally agree the position he ( and the players) have been put in over the last couple of years is a disgrace. grafter1980

11:13pm Wed 8 Jan 14

bradfordbronco says...

Only 45 comments and no Viking song. Who could have predicted that !!!

The season ticket argument needs putting to bed though. The 4000 or so season tickets that were sold were all sold to loyal supporters like me who buy one every year irrespective of the clubs prospects on the field. If there's a game on we want to be there. Win, lose or draw just being there watching the game, cheering or booing the players depending on the performance its all part of the fun.

Also I'd rather pay £180 and see the club still go bust than NOT pay £180 and see the club go bust. At least I would be able to walk with my head held high that I did my bit, rather than spend the rest of my life knowing that when the club needed me I went missing and let the club fold.

I think my season ticket money could be the best £180 I've personally ever spent !! Please stop feeling sorry for us, we don't regret it, even if the club did go belly up,

Anyone waiting to see what happens to the club before buying a ticket. The club needs you now. Step up to the plate and make a commitment, show some pride rather than hiding in the shadows. If you don't buy one, make sure you at least get to the home games and pay on the day. You can't blame Omar, Gerry, Caisley, Hood, Moore, Calvert, Witt, past players or the RFL or anyone, because ultimately it will be be the stay away supporters who let the club die
Only 45 comments and no Viking song. Who could have predicted that !!! The season ticket argument needs putting to bed though. The 4000 or so season tickets that were sold were all sold to loyal supporters like me who buy one every year irrespective of the clubs prospects on the field. If there's a game on we want to be there. Win, lose or draw just being there watching the game, cheering or booing the players depending on the performance its all part of the fun. Also I'd rather pay £180 and see the club still go bust than NOT pay £180 and see the club go bust. At least I would be able to walk with my head held high that I did my bit, rather than spend the rest of my life knowing that when the club needed me I went missing and let the club fold. I think my season ticket money could be the best £180 I've personally ever spent !! Please stop feeling sorry for us, we don't regret it, even if the club did go belly up, Anyone waiting to see what happens to the club before buying a ticket. The club needs you now. Step up to the plate and make a commitment, show some pride rather than hiding in the shadows. If you don't buy one, make sure you at least get to the home games and pay on the day. You can't blame Omar, Gerry, Caisley, Hood, Moore, Calvert, Witt, past players or the RFL or anyone, because ultimately it will be be the stay away supporters who let the club die bradfordbronco

12:05am Thu 9 Jan 14

Ahrmen Aleg says...

BierleyBoy wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.
Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.
I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls. This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge.
Except, no. It has already been made clear - at the earlier forum, and subsequently - that the issues pre-date Moore's management involvement. On OK's watch, with Whitcut in dcharge of running the club on a day to day basis. It was reported many weeks ago Whitcut failed the "fit and proper" test, so stood down. It was reported some time ago, and reiterated in reports since, that much - including the additional debts and financial shortfall - came out of the woodwork after Whitcut went and the incoming group of three went trhough the books and forecasts. Together.
Wouldn't, or shouldn't, due dilligence have shown the additional debts and shortfalls prior to Whitcutt and Moore signing any agreements?
Whitcut was left in place by Khan to sell the club. When it looked like he'd snared a buyer all was well. When that buyer realised the full extent of the financial mess, he baulked.

IMO Whitcut didn't give a full & accurate picture when selling. Khan isn't going to pursue Whitcut, he's his right hand man. Nor is he going to pursue Moore, he'd leave himself open to potential charges of misrepresentation.

Whitcut took out the £180k debenture with SSG just four days after Khan quit as a director. It is impossible to set up such a deal in four days. It is unthinkable that Khan did not know this deal was being done.

The solicitors who handled it are business associates of Khan and staff are known personally to him.

Khan paid £225k for the assets from P&A but wants £300k for a debt ridden company.

If I wee a Bulls season ticket holder, I'd be getting my money out asap. You are being treated appallingly.

The Labour Party in Bradford is mired in this messy little affair and they should all be held to account. The loan authorised by David Green needs investigating and Sutcliffe needs to be voted out in 2015.

A corrupt bunch of people if ever there was one.
You have them sussed.
Like me.
Rotten to the core

False budgets (lies to the RFL)
No proper books or records
At least £1.2 million losses in a year with no funding to underwrite them

Has the cheek to ask them to pay anything at all when he (OK) has saddled the company with all this debt which is rising weekly.

As remember K had to ay by £25k a month instalments.Maybe they et him off one if he ended p paying only £225K o Guiloyle.With no debt.

Am stupid but how can his shares be worth anything at all with negative shareholder funds (to the tune of about probably £1.8 million by now)

You cannot let the new ones have your debt and at it OK.

Perhaps he really is that stupid he cannot fathom the business think behind that either.Let them eat cake.It goes very nice with the odd couple of mllion debt Ok expects these lot to PURCHASE.

Time he gave I and ran.

Has anyone else heard of the dirty money found to prop up this shambles?

You are right BierleyBoy.Time for on inquisiton.

But the Insolvency Service saw it to interview olny HOOD.Light touch.No resources.Which is why Whitcut has got away with 6 or 7 failed companies that the common thread was NO ACCOUINTS.Or books or records no doubt.

I conclude that Britain is now more corrupt than 30"s Chicago Al Capone and the FBI.

Don't bother shopliflting.
Just form a company don't pay anyone for a year and then do it again.

Laughing stock this is not.
Its a criminal disgrace.

And as the RFL are complicit they will have to sort the mess out.

Which they are right now.With dollops of cash reserves.Who else do you think are paying all the bills cos it aint these three
[quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.[/p][/quote]Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.[/p][/quote]I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls. This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge.[/p][/quote]Except, no. It has already been made clear - at the earlier forum, and subsequently - that the issues pre-date Moore's management involvement. On OK's watch, with Whitcut in dcharge of running the club on a day to day basis. It was reported many weeks ago Whitcut failed the "fit and proper" test, so stood down. It was reported some time ago, and reiterated in reports since, that much - including the additional debts and financial shortfall - came out of the woodwork after Whitcut went and the incoming group of three went trhough the books and forecasts. Together.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't, or shouldn't, due dilligence have shown the additional debts and shortfalls prior to Whitcutt and Moore signing any agreements?[/p][/quote]Whitcut was left in place by Khan to sell the club. When it looked like he'd snared a buyer all was well. When that buyer realised the full extent of the financial mess, he baulked. IMO Whitcut didn't give a full & accurate picture when selling. Khan isn't going to pursue Whitcut, he's his right hand man. Nor is he going to pursue Moore, he'd leave himself open to potential charges of misrepresentation. Whitcut took out the £180k debenture with SSG just four days after Khan quit as a director. It is impossible to set up such a deal in four days. It is unthinkable that Khan did not know this deal was being done. The solicitors who handled it are business associates of Khan and staff are known personally to him. Khan paid £225k for the assets from P&A but wants £300k for a debt ridden company. If I wee a Bulls season ticket holder, I'd be getting my money out asap. You are being treated appallingly. The Labour Party in Bradford is mired in this messy little affair and they should all be held to account. The loan authorised by David Green needs investigating and Sutcliffe needs to be voted out in 2015. A corrupt bunch of people if ever there was one.[/p][/quote]You have them sussed. Like me. Rotten to the core False budgets (lies to the RFL) No proper books or records At least £1.2 million losses in a year with no funding to underwrite them Has the cheek to ask them to pay anything at all when he (OK) has saddled the company with all this debt which is rising weekly. As remember K had to ay by £25k a month instalments.Maybe they et him off one if he ended p paying only £225K o Guiloyle.With no debt. Am stupid but how can his shares be worth anything at all with negative shareholder funds (to the tune of about probably £1.8 million by now) You cannot let the new ones have your debt and at it OK. Perhaps he really is that stupid he cannot fathom the business think behind that either.Let them eat cake.It goes very nice with the odd couple of mllion debt Ok expects these lot to PURCHASE. Time he gave I and ran. Has anyone else heard of the dirty money found to prop up this shambles? You are right BierleyBoy.Time for on inquisiton. But the Insolvency Service saw it to interview olny HOOD.Light touch.No resources.Which is why Whitcut has got away with 6 or 7 failed companies that the common thread was NO ACCOUINTS.Or books or records no doubt. I conclude that Britain is now more corrupt than 30"s Chicago Al Capone and the FBI. Don't bother shopliflting. Just form a company don't pay anyone for a year and then do it again. Laughing stock this is not. Its a criminal disgrace. And as the RFL are complicit they will have to sort the mess out. Which they are right now.With dollops of cash reserves.Who else do you think are paying all the bills cos it aint these three Ahrmen Aleg

3:21am Thu 9 Jan 14

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
BierleyBoy wrote:
BD16 wrote:
Adeybull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.
Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.
I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls. This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge.
Except, no. It has already been made clear - at the earlier forum, and subsequently - that the issues pre-date Moore's management involvement. On OK's watch, with Whitcut in dcharge of running the club on a day to day basis. It was reported many weeks ago Whitcut failed the "fit and proper" test, so stood down. It was reported some time ago, and reiterated in reports since, that much - including the additional debts and financial shortfall - came out of the woodwork after Whitcut went and the incoming group of three went trhough the books and forecasts. Together.
Wouldn't, or shouldn't, due dilligence have shown the additional debts and shortfalls prior to Whitcutt and Moore signing any agreements?
Whitcut was left in place by Khan to sell the club. When it looked like he'd snared a buyer all was well. When that buyer realised the full extent of the financial mess, he baulked.

IMO Whitcut didn't give a full & accurate picture when selling. Khan isn't going to pursue Whitcut, he's his right hand man. Nor is he going to pursue Moore, he'd leave himself open to potential charges of misrepresentation.

Whitcut took out the £180k debenture with SSG just four days after Khan quit as a director. It is impossible to set up such a deal in four days. It is unthinkable that Khan did not know this deal was being done.

The solicitors who handled it are business associates of Khan and staff are known personally to him.

Khan paid £225k for the assets from P&A but wants £300k for a debt ridden company.

If I wee a Bulls season ticket holder, I'd be getting my money out asap. You are being treated appallingly.

The Labour Party in Bradford is mired in this messy little affair and they should all be held to account. The loan authorised by David Green needs investigating and Sutcliffe needs to be voted out in 2015.

A corrupt bunch of people if ever there was one.
You have them sussed.
Like me.
Rotten to the core

False budgets (lies to the RFL)
No proper books or records
At least £1.2 million losses in a year with no funding to underwrite them

Has the cheek to ask them to pay anything at all when he (OK) has saddled the company with all this debt which is rising weekly.

As remember K had to ay by £25k a month instalments.Maybe they et him off one if he ended p paying only £225K o Guiloyle.With no debt.

Am stupid but how can his shares be worth anything at all with negative shareholder funds (to the tune of about probably £1.8 million by now)

You cannot let the new ones have your debt and at it OK.

Perhaps he really is that stupid he cannot fathom the business think behind that either.Let them eat cake.It goes very nice with the odd couple of mllion debt Ok expects these lot to PURCHASE.

Time he gave I and ran.

Has anyone else heard of the dirty money found to prop up this shambles?

You are right BierleyBoy.Time for on inquisiton.

But the Insolvency Service saw it to interview olny HOOD.Light touch.No resources.Which is why Whitcut has got away with 6 or 7 failed companies that the common thread was NO ACCOUINTS.Or books or records no doubt.

I conclude that Britain is now more corrupt than 30"s Chicago Al Capone and the FBI.

Don't bother shopliflting.
Just form a company don't pay anyone for a year and then do it again.

Laughing stock this is not.
Its a criminal disgrace.

And as the RFL are complicit they will have to sort the mess out.

Which they are right now.With dollops of cash reserves.Who else do you think are paying all the bills cos it aint these three
The Hokey Cokey"s got nothing this lot.
Read it.

OK will do nothing to hurt the club......quote

He will take Legal action against those he HAD an alleged deal with.

Well Whitcuts gone (Bahamas?) having stuck on £180000 loan to OK Bulls Ltd and sold Bateman for £90k.

And now Moores gone.

Poker with no money is very boring.
But when its other peoples money (how about the season ticket holders taken with he season 4 months away an spent already)its positively corrupt.

So let OK fund his legal battle which he has no chance of winning.He hid the debt.And with Sutcliffe as fellow director allowed it to accumulate.

Moore may be back in due curse.For now its best he and Whitcut are distanced.

A Whitcut now clearly is.

My guess is this will all end in tears.

If these three are prepared to take on the massive restructured debt and anticipated forward losses until Sky funds return they must be

1.MAD
2.Massive Fans
3.Very Rich
4.Have nothing to lose (as OK seems t want it)

A year ago Guilfoyle told me in the last day as adminstrater he thought m idea of the fantrust could never work an those Portsmouth fans were MAD.

Well Mr B Guiloyle and your pathetic firm P & A who milked quarter of million in fees without any proper enquiry....YOU WERE WRONG.

Portsmouth FC alive and kicking in bottom tier with 15000 turning up.
11 wealthy threw in £1.7 million.
2400 fans pledged £1000.

Total raised £4.1 million.

Well done Portsmouth.

Awards followed best pies.
But the supporters trust chairman spat at for poor results after SAVING the club.

Some things never change eh
Who would throw millions of personal wealth

TO BE SPAT AT.

About sums this mess up really
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BierleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Nobody made you part with money but you fully expected to get for what you paid for. The future of the club is up in the air at this time and if the club hits admin before or during the season it is not required to honor the season tickets, as fans at BCFC found out.[/p][/quote]Wishful thinking on your part I believe! Not seen a positive post from you ever,school yard fight springs to mind,run in throw a punch from behind and run away again and hide,we've all seen 'em. Have you been chased away from commenting on City topics.[/p][/quote]I say things as I see them. Not from a make believe world where the signing of 3 younsters from Wolves will secure the challenge cup for the Bulls. This again leaves more questions than answers. Moore and Whitcut the 2 initially ready to take over have gone, were they pushed by the other two? The other two seem to have found all these debts that weren't disclosed whilst Whitcut and Moore were in charge.[/p][/quote]Except, no. It has already been made clear - at the earlier forum, and subsequently - that the issues pre-date Moore's management involvement. On OK's watch, with Whitcut in dcharge of running the club on a day to day basis. It was reported many weeks ago Whitcut failed the "fit and proper" test, so stood down. It was reported some time ago, and reiterated in reports since, that much - including the additional debts and financial shortfall - came out of the woodwork after Whitcut went and the incoming group of three went trhough the books and forecasts. Together.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't, or shouldn't, due dilligence have shown the additional debts and shortfalls prior to Whitcutt and Moore signing any agreements?[/p][/quote]Whitcut was left in place by Khan to sell the club. When it looked like he'd snared a buyer all was well. When that buyer realised the full extent of the financial mess, he baulked. IMO Whitcut didn't give a full & accurate picture when selling. Khan isn't going to pursue Whitcut, he's his right hand man. Nor is he going to pursue Moore, he'd leave himself open to potential charges of misrepresentation. Whitcut took out the £180k debenture with SSG just four days after Khan quit as a director. It is impossible to set up such a deal in four days. It is unthinkable that Khan did not know this deal was being done. The solicitors who handled it are business associates of Khan and staff are known personally to him. Khan paid £225k for the assets from P&A but wants £300k for a debt ridden company. If I wee a Bulls season ticket holder, I'd be getting my money out asap. You are being treated appallingly. The Labour Party in Bradford is mired in this messy little affair and they should all be held to account. The loan authorised by David Green needs investigating and Sutcliffe needs to be voted out in 2015. A corrupt bunch of people if ever there was one.[/p][/quote]You have them sussed. Like me. Rotten to the core False budgets (lies to the RFL) No proper books or records At least £1.2 million losses in a year with no funding to underwrite them Has the cheek to ask them to pay anything at all when he (OK) has saddled the company with all this debt which is rising weekly. As remember K had to ay by £25k a month instalments.Maybe they et him off one if he ended p paying only £225K o Guiloyle.With no debt. Am stupid but how can his shares be worth anything at all with negative shareholder funds (to the tune of about probably £1.8 million by now) You cannot let the new ones have your debt and at it OK. Perhaps he really is that stupid he cannot fathom the business think behind that either.Let them eat cake.It goes very nice with the odd couple of mllion debt Ok expects these lot to PURCHASE. Time he gave I and ran. Has anyone else heard of the dirty money found to prop up this shambles? You are right BierleyBoy.Time for on inquisiton. But the Insolvency Service saw it to interview olny HOOD.Light touch.No resources.Which is why Whitcut has got away with 6 or 7 failed companies that the common thread was NO ACCOUINTS.Or books or records no doubt. I conclude that Britain is now more corrupt than 30"s Chicago Al Capone and the FBI. Don't bother shopliflting. Just form a company don't pay anyone for a year and then do it again. Laughing stock this is not. Its a criminal disgrace. And as the RFL are complicit they will have to sort the mess out. Which they are right now.With dollops of cash reserves.Who else do you think are paying all the bills cos it aint these three[/p][/quote]The Hokey Cokey"s got nothing this lot. Read it. OK will do nothing to hurt the club......quote He will take Legal action against those he HAD an alleged deal with. Well Whitcuts gone (Bahamas?) having stuck on £180000 loan to OK Bulls Ltd and sold Bateman for £90k. And now Moores gone. Poker with no money is very boring. But when its other peoples money (how about the season ticket holders taken with he season 4 months away an spent already)its positively corrupt. So let OK fund his legal battle which he has no chance of winning.He hid the debt.And with Sutcliffe as fellow director allowed it to accumulate. Moore may be back in due curse.For now its best he and Whitcut are distanced. A Whitcut now clearly is. My guess is this will all end in tears. If these three are prepared to take on the massive restructured debt and anticipated forward losses until Sky funds return they must be 1.MAD 2.Massive Fans 3.Very Rich 4.Have nothing to lose (as OK seems t want it) A year ago Guilfoyle told me in the last day as adminstrater he thought m idea of the fantrust could never work an those Portsmouth fans were MAD. Well Mr B Guiloyle and your pathetic firm P & A who milked quarter of million in fees without any proper enquiry....YOU WERE WRONG. Portsmouth FC alive and kicking in bottom tier with 15000 turning up. 11 wealthy threw in £1.7 million. 2400 fans pledged £1000. Total raised £4.1 million. Well done Portsmouth. Awards followed best pies. But the supporters trust chairman spat at for poor results after SAVING the club. Some things never change eh Who would throw millions of personal wealth TO BE SPAT AT. About sums this mess up really Ahrmen Aleg

11:44am Thu 9 Jan 14

fash1966 says...

I`m a BELONG season ticket holder and have been for many years and agree with Ahmen Aleg that the only real way forward is for a supporter run club in the same model as Portsmouth. Win, loose or draw I would have the faith in a club owned by the supporters with a board I could trust. Focusing our long term strategy on local youth development supporting players from my local area, who when they kiss the badge do for out of pride playing for there local club. I`d quite happyly put a £1,000 into that structure, are there another 4,999 Bradfordian rugby league fans who would be prepared to set our own club up with a £5m starting fund? Talk is Cheap.
I`m a BELONG season ticket holder and have been for many years and agree with Ahmen Aleg that the only real way forward is for a supporter run club in the same model as Portsmouth. Win, loose or draw I would have the faith in a club owned by the supporters with a board I could trust. Focusing our long term strategy on local youth development supporting players from my local area, who when they kiss the badge do for out of pride playing for there local club. I`d quite happyly put a £1,000 into that structure, are there another 4,999 Bradfordian rugby league fans who would be prepared to set our own club up with a £5m starting fund? Talk is Cheap. fash1966

1:03pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Ahrmen Aleg says...

fash1966 wrote:
I`m a BELONG season ticket holder and have been for many years and agree with Ahmen Aleg that the only real way forward is for a supporter run club in the same model as Portsmouth. Win, loose or draw I would have the faith in a club owned by the supporters with a board I could trust. Focusing our long term strategy on local youth development supporting players from my local area, who when they kiss the badge do for out of pride playing for there local club. I`d quite happyly put a £1,000 into that structure, are there another 4,999 Bradfordian rugby league fans who would be prepared to set our own club up with a £5m starting fund? Talk is Cheap.
Well said Fash.I think 5000 may be optimistic.
Portsmouth is a working class town too though.
Aim for 2000.2 million would be more than Omar Khan started with.

only another 1999 to find.
Interesting that the Portsmouth purchase only required the fans to pledge.

No did that not happen last year where the fans raised/pledged £400000.
Only to see 3 months later OK own it solely on borrowed money.
The borrowing of which as not finished yet.
Keep pledging fans ...FASH lead the way.
[quote][p][bold]fash1966[/bold] wrote: I`m a BELONG season ticket holder and have been for many years and agree with Ahmen Aleg that the only real way forward is for a supporter run club in the same model as Portsmouth. Win, loose or draw I would have the faith in a club owned by the supporters with a board I could trust. Focusing our long term strategy on local youth development supporting players from my local area, who when they kiss the badge do for out of pride playing for there local club. I`d quite happyly put a £1,000 into that structure, are there another 4,999 Bradfordian rugby league fans who would be prepared to set our own club up with a £5m starting fund? Talk is Cheap.[/p][/quote]Well said Fash.I think 5000 may be optimistic. Portsmouth is a working class town too though. Aim for 2000.2 million would be more than Omar Khan started with. only another 1999 to find. Interesting that the Portsmouth purchase only required the fans to pledge. No did that not happen last year where the fans raised/pledged £400000. Only to see 3 months later OK own it solely on borrowed money. The borrowing of which as not finished yet. Keep pledging fans ...FASH lead the way. Ahrmen Aleg

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