Site cleared for Westfield work to start

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: A gazebo is dismantled A gazebo is dismantled

Work to prepare for the Westfield Broadway shopping centre continued yesterday as the Council continued the clearance of the Bradford Urban Garden. A gazebo was among things removed from the city centre green space which is on part of the shopping centre site.

A Council spokesman said: “The removal of items from Bradford Urban Garden is to prepare the site for the Westfield shopping development.” Benches and planters have been removed.

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9:04am Fri 13 Dec 13

C.T.I.D says...

Wahey!!
Wahey!! C.T.I.D

9:09am Fri 13 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress.
So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right.
Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing. Thee Voice of Reason

9:14am Fri 13 Dec 13

schroeder says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress.
So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right.
Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn. schroeder

9:19am Fri 13 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress.
So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right.
Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
Just saying it how it is.
Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.
[quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn.[/p][/quote]Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council. Thee Voice of Reason

9:28am Fri 13 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

I'm guessing to remove a gazebo and a few benches would take about 20min, if that.
Fantastic journalism, whats the next story Westfield change padlocks, or Westfield install portable toilets onsite?
Why not find out how many shops have actually signed up other than the 9 know seeing as Westfield was boasting 70 shops at completion, thats 61 short by my maths, and find out when the start date is. All that is happening at the moment is the act of looking busy whilst doing nothing.
I'm guessing to remove a gazebo and a few benches would take about 20min, if that. Fantastic journalism, whats the next story Westfield change padlocks, or Westfield install portable toilets onsite? Why not find out how many shops have actually signed up other than the 9 know seeing as Westfield was boasting 70 shops at completion, thats 61 short by my maths, and find out when the start date is. All that is happening at the moment is the act of looking busy whilst doing nothing. Bacon Bantam

9:30am Fri 13 Dec 13

schroeder says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress.
So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right.
Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
Just saying it how it is.
Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.
This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process.

That's how it is.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn.[/p][/quote]Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is. schroeder

9:34am Fri 13 Dec 13

angry bradfordian says...

From the White Rose planning story on the BBC website...
"Westfield, whose undeveloped site is known as "the Bradford hole", said the Leeds scheme would have "a significant adverse impact" on its plans."

So how are they on the verge of starting if the White Rose could affect their 'plans'?
From the White Rose planning story on the BBC website... "Westfield, whose undeveloped site is known as "the Bradford hole", said the Leeds scheme would have "a significant adverse impact" on its plans." So how are they on the verge of starting if the White Rose could affect their 'plans'? angry bradfordian

9:37am Fri 13 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.
This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.
Haha, sorry but I have to step in here.

Westfield won't build till they reach the require number of prelets, they have said that publicly in all their statements. It might not have been clear but it is certainly there. 70 shops minus 9 signed up equals 61 empty plots. Westfield won't go ahead with just 9 shops signed up, they probably won't go ahead with just 25 signed up, I'd say even at 35 it would be pushing it.

This is nowhere near getting off the ground.
[quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn.[/p][/quote]Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.[/p][/quote]Haha, sorry but I have to step in here. Westfield won't build till they reach the require number of prelets, they have said that publicly in all their statements. It might not have been clear but it is certainly there. 70 shops minus 9 signed up equals 61 empty plots. Westfield won't go ahead with just 9 shops signed up, they probably won't go ahead with just 25 signed up, I'd say even at 35 it would be pushing it. This is nowhere near getting off the ground. Bacon Bantam

9:41am Fri 13 Dec 13

schroeder says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.
This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.
Haha, sorry but I have to step in here.

Westfield won't build till they reach the require number of prelets, they have said that publicly in all their statements. It might not have been clear but it is certainly there. 70 shops minus 9 signed up equals 61 empty plots. Westfield won't go ahead with just 9 shops signed up, they probably won't go ahead with just 25 signed up, I'd say even at 35 it would be pushing it.

This is nowhere near getting off the ground.
yes they said they won't build until 50% of the floor space is pre-let, which it is now.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn.[/p][/quote]Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.[/p][/quote]Haha, sorry but I have to step in here. Westfield won't build till they reach the require number of prelets, they have said that publicly in all their statements. It might not have been clear but it is certainly there. 70 shops minus 9 signed up equals 61 empty plots. Westfield won't go ahead with just 9 shops signed up, they probably won't go ahead with just 25 signed up, I'd say even at 35 it would be pushing it. This is nowhere near getting off the ground.[/p][/quote]yes they said they won't build until 50% of the floor space is pre-let, which it is now. schroeder

9:44am Fri 13 Dec 13

angry bradfordian says...

schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress.
So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right.
Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
Just saying it how it is.
Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.
This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process.

That's how it is.
What's your definition of 'soon'?

They haven't even appointed a main contractor to the scheme yet so I can't see how any significant progress is going to happen until March at the earliest.
[quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn.[/p][/quote]Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.[/p][/quote]What's your definition of 'soon'? They haven't even appointed a main contractor to the scheme yet so I can't see how any significant progress is going to happen until March at the earliest. angry bradfordian

9:54am Fri 13 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

schroeder wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.
This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.
Haha, sorry but I have to step in here. Westfield won't build till they reach the require number of prelets, they have said that publicly in all their statements. It might not have been clear but it is certainly there. 70 shops minus 9 signed up equals 61 empty plots. Westfield won't go ahead with just 9 shops signed up, they probably won't go ahead with just 25 signed up, I'd say even at 35 it would be pushing it. This is nowhere near getting off the ground.
yes they said they won't build until 50% of the floor space is pre-let, which it is now.
They haven't said that at all. They said they are at 50% spoken for floor space let. They never at any stage said 50% was the requirement for the build. They used those figures because they are more impressive than 9 of 70 shops are taken.

They started to build back in the mid 2000's and stopped after laying foundations, they can never been trusted as been committed. At least Sainsbury's in Bingley were honest and will walk away.
[quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn.[/p][/quote]Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.[/p][/quote]Haha, sorry but I have to step in here. Westfield won't build till they reach the require number of prelets, they have said that publicly in all their statements. It might not have been clear but it is certainly there. 70 shops minus 9 signed up equals 61 empty plots. Westfield won't go ahead with just 9 shops signed up, they probably won't go ahead with just 25 signed up, I'd say even at 35 it would be pushing it. This is nowhere near getting off the ground.[/p][/quote]yes they said they won't build until 50% of the floor space is pre-let, which it is now.[/p][/quote]They haven't said that at all. They said they are at 50% spoken for floor space let. They never at any stage said 50% was the requirement for the build. They used those figures because they are more impressive than 9 of 70 shops are taken. They started to build back in the mid 2000's and stopped after laying foundations, they can never been trusted as been committed. At least Sainsbury's in Bingley were honest and will walk away. Bacon Bantam

10:00am Fri 13 Dec 13

wingerman11 says...

In the above "non-story" it states the Council removed a gazebo and some benches. Hardly a team of Westfield people doing loads of work is it?
I reckon Westfield are going to use White Rose as yet another excuse for delaying or cancelling the thing altogether.
White Rose expansion shouldn't make any difference to Broadway, as its mainly a new cinema and increased eating areas, only retail increase is larger Debenhams and Primark stores.
But if they don't use White Rose as an excuse, what possible other reason can they five for not starting it? cant use recession any more can they?
In the above "non-story" it states the Council removed a gazebo and some benches. Hardly a team of Westfield people doing loads of work is it? I reckon Westfield are going to use White Rose as yet another excuse for delaying or cancelling the thing altogether. White Rose expansion shouldn't make any difference to Broadway, as its mainly a new cinema and increased eating areas, only retail increase is larger Debenhams and Primark stores. But if they don't use White Rose as an excuse, what possible other reason can they five for not starting it? cant use recession any more can they? wingerman11

10:05am Fri 13 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

wingerman11 wrote:
In the above "non-story" it states the Council removed a gazebo and some benches. Hardly a team of Westfield people doing loads of work is it? I reckon Westfield are going to use White Rose as yet another excuse for delaying or cancelling the thing altogether. White Rose expansion shouldn't make any difference to Broadway, as its mainly a new cinema and increased eating areas, only retail increase is larger Debenhams and Primark stores. But if they don't use White Rose as an excuse, what possible other reason can they five for not starting it? cant use recession any more can they?
They will find something. I'm half expecting to be told a colony of bats has been found in the foundations, that should buy a month or two.
What about an unexloded bomb being found?
I'm sure Westfield have the best minds together in one room as we speak coming up with the most believable excuses.
How about untold damage to the exposed foundations and the whole lot need replacing actually setting the project backwards not forwards.
[quote][p][bold]wingerman11[/bold] wrote: In the above "non-story" it states the Council removed a gazebo and some benches. Hardly a team of Westfield people doing loads of work is it? I reckon Westfield are going to use White Rose as yet another excuse for delaying or cancelling the thing altogether. White Rose expansion shouldn't make any difference to Broadway, as its mainly a new cinema and increased eating areas, only retail increase is larger Debenhams and Primark stores. But if they don't use White Rose as an excuse, what possible other reason can they five for not starting it? cant use recession any more can they?[/p][/quote]They will find something. I'm half expecting to be told a colony of bats has been found in the foundations, that should buy a month or two. What about an unexloded bomb being found? I'm sure Westfield have the best minds together in one room as we speak coming up with the most believable excuses. How about untold damage to the exposed foundations and the whole lot need replacing actually setting the project backwards not forwards. Bacon Bantam

10:27am Fri 13 Dec 13

shikran says...

wingerman11 wrote:
In the above "non-story" it states the Council removed a gazebo and some benches. Hardly a team of Westfield people doing loads of work is it?
I reckon Westfield are going to use White Rose as yet another excuse for delaying or cancelling the thing altogether.
White Rose expansion shouldn't make any difference to Broadway, as its mainly a new cinema and increased eating areas, only retail increase is larger Debenhams and Primark stores.
But if they don't use White Rose as an excuse, what possible other reason can they five for not starting it? cant use recession any more can they?
Let's consult the excuse rolodex shall we

High winds, Cold weather, Too much snow, The wrong type of snow, Ill health, Trade disputes, Planning disputes, Planning errors, Job costing inaccuracies, Material shortages, Liquidation of a subcontractor, Press intrusion, Rare archeological find, Greenpeace protest, Vandalism, Squatters, Strike action, Wrong colour hardhats, Late withdrawal of finance, Late withdrawal of prospective tenants, Administrative error, Problems on another site, Site vehicle breakdown, Immovable gazebo on site, Injury caused by Gazebo collapse.
[quote][p][bold]wingerman11[/bold] wrote: In the above "non-story" it states the Council removed a gazebo and some benches. Hardly a team of Westfield people doing loads of work is it? I reckon Westfield are going to use White Rose as yet another excuse for delaying or cancelling the thing altogether. White Rose expansion shouldn't make any difference to Broadway, as its mainly a new cinema and increased eating areas, only retail increase is larger Debenhams and Primark stores. But if they don't use White Rose as an excuse, what possible other reason can they five for not starting it? cant use recession any more can they?[/p][/quote]Let's consult the excuse rolodex shall we High winds, Cold weather, Too much snow, The wrong type of snow, Ill health, Trade disputes, Planning disputes, Planning errors, Job costing inaccuracies, Material shortages, Liquidation of a subcontractor, Press intrusion, Rare archeological find, Greenpeace protest, Vandalism, Squatters, Strike action, Wrong colour hardhats, Late withdrawal of finance, Late withdrawal of prospective tenants, Administrative error, Problems on another site, Site vehicle breakdown, Immovable gazebo on site, Injury caused by Gazebo collapse. shikran

10:31am Fri 13 Dec 13

SinnerSaint says...

schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress.
So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right.
Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
Yes. I'm bored of the incessant false positives reported by our laughable local rag journalists too.

What next? "Westfield commitment confirmed as man picks up discarded crisp packet on Broadway site"?
[quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn.[/p][/quote]Yes. I'm bored of the incessant false positives reported by our laughable local rag journalists too. What next? "Westfield commitment confirmed as man picks up discarded crisp packet on Broadway site"? SinnerSaint

10:53am Fri 13 Dec 13

The Hoffster says...

What's a 'Westfield' ?

{confused}
What's a 'Westfield' ? {confused} The Hoffster

11:01am Fri 13 Dec 13

RuggerTyke says...

Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that.

Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.
Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that. Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected. RuggerTyke

11:21am Fri 13 Dec 13

Mr Bradford says...

RuggerTyke wrote:
Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that.

Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.
Why? When they're just about to start building?

It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is.

So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.
[quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that. Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.[/p][/quote]Why? When they're just about to start building? It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is. So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this. Mr Bradford

12:14pm Fri 13 Dec 13

SinnerSaint says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
RuggerTyke wrote:
Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that.

Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.
Why? When they're just about to start building?

It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is.

So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.
Two and a half years? Have you heard yourself?
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that. Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.[/p][/quote]Why? When they're just about to start building? It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is. So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.[/p][/quote]Two and a half years? Have you heard yourself? SinnerSaint

12:37pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Mr Bradford says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
RuggerTyke wrote:
Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that.

Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.
Why? When they're just about to start building?

It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is.

So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.
Two and a half years? Have you heard yourself?
Yes, that's how long it's been since this project was announced.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that. Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.[/p][/quote]Why? When they're just about to start building? It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is. So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.[/p][/quote]Two and a half years? Have you heard yourself?[/p][/quote]Yes, that's how long it's been since this project was announced. Mr Bradford

1:11pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
RuggerTyke wrote: Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that. Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.
Why? When they're just about to start building? It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is. So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.
Two and a half years? Have you heard yourself?
Yes, that's how long it's been since this project was announced.
The reason new planning had to be submitted was because the old plans expired.

These current plans are only valid until October 2014, after that if nothing happens and new plans are submitted does that mean the clock is reset?

Your sounding like councillor Green.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that. Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.[/p][/quote]Why? When they're just about to start building? It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is. So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.[/p][/quote]Two and a half years? Have you heard yourself?[/p][/quote]Yes, that's how long it's been since this project was announced.[/p][/quote]The reason new planning had to be submitted was because the old plans expired. These current plans are only valid until October 2014, after that if nothing happens and new plans are submitted does that mean the clock is reset? Your sounding like councillor Green. Bacon Bantam

1:18pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Avro says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
RuggerTyke wrote:
Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that.

Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.
Why? When they're just about to start building?

It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is.

So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.
They promsed it built by 2007 which was BEFORE the 2008 recession!

They promised the build would be underway by the end of 2013, which it most certainly won't!
It will take 2/3 months to prepare the site following 10yrs of neglect., all they have done so far is paint the gates white, which gives an indication of their urgency!

The build will not go ahead with just 9 tenants signed, 7 of which already exist in the city centre!
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that. Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.[/p][/quote]Why? When they're just about to start building? It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is. So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.[/p][/quote]They promsed it built by 2007 which was BEFORE the 2008 recession! They promised the build would be underway by the end of 2013, which it most certainly won't! It will take 2/3 months to prepare the site following 10yrs of neglect., all they have done so far is paint the gates white, which gives an indication of their urgency! The build will not go ahead with just 9 tenants signed, 7 of which already exist in the city centre! Avro

1:23pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Alhaurinrhino says...

schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress.
So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right.
Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
Just saying it how it is.
Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.
This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process.

That's how it is.
Thanks for the update Cll Green, bet you can't wait to get in their and stock up on your ridiculous chav earrings.
[quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn.[/p][/quote]Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the update Cll Green, bet you can't wait to get in their and stock up on your ridiculous chav earrings. Alhaurinrhino

1:30pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?
Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal? Bacon Bantam

1:44pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Apollo says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?
They look like gypos. They certainly would not be allowed anywhere near a proper construction site as they are not properly dressed.

Just a bunch of scruffy oiks - possibly on Community Service.

As for anything actually getting built - there is no chance whatsoever.
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?[/p][/quote]They look like gypos. They certainly would not be allowed anywhere near a proper construction site as they are not properly dressed. Just a bunch of scruffy oiks - possibly on Community Service. As for anything actually getting built - there is no chance whatsoever. Apollo

1:46pm Fri 13 Dec 13

SinnerSaint says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
RuggerTyke wrote:
Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that.

Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.
Why? When they're just about to start building?

It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is.

So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.
Two and a half years? Have you heard yourself?
Yes, that's how long it's been since this project was announced.
I take it you're a sucker for spin then?
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that. Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.[/p][/quote]Why? When they're just about to start building? It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is. So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.[/p][/quote]Two and a half years? Have you heard yourself?[/p][/quote]Yes, that's how long it's been since this project was announced.[/p][/quote]I take it you're a sucker for spin then? SinnerSaint

3:53pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Avro says...

Leeds White Rose scheme approved despite Bradford objections

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-lee
ds-25356722

Another retailer to be announced next week:

https://twitter.com/
Central_Retail/statu
s/411187659605028864
Leeds White Rose scheme approved despite Bradford objections http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-lee ds-25356722 Another retailer to be announced next week: https://twitter.com/ Central_Retail/statu s/411187659605028864 Avro

4:34pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Bfd bloke says...

I saw some Westfield staff on site today, in yellow jackets with Westfield clearly emblazoned on the back. There does seem to be more things happening now.

Also note that this time the 3 anchor tenants all have their logos on the signage around the site since early this year, I cant see such big chains allowing their logos to be used on the site if it wasn't pretty certain to be built before long.
I saw some Westfield staff on site today, in yellow jackets with Westfield clearly emblazoned on the back. There does seem to be more things happening now. Also note that this time the 3 anchor tenants all have their logos on the signage around the site since early this year, I cant see such big chains allowing their logos to be used on the site if it wasn't pretty certain to be built before long. Bfd bloke

4:38pm Fri 13 Dec 13

BaildonGuy says...

Lets be clear, this is the Council clearing the site, not Westfield. This is a pointless activity that will no doubt be used by City Hall to claim that work has started before the end of 2013 just as they promised all those months ago.

Clearly they think we are idiots to fall for this bit of spin.
Lets be clear, this is the Council clearing the site, not Westfield. This is a pointless activity that will no doubt be used by City Hall to claim that work has started before the end of 2013 just as they promised all those months ago. Clearly they think we are idiots to fall for this bit of spin. BaildonGuy

4:49pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Bfd bloke says...

the council might have cleared the Urban Garden but I saw proper Westfield employees today around the site. FACT.
the council might have cleared the Urban Garden but I saw proper Westfield employees today around the site. FACT. Bfd bloke

6:15pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Uther Pendragon says...

White Rose Centre 1200 FREE parking places !
Where will punters park in Bradford, nowhere.
Bradford Council will employ traffic wardens 24/7 to haunt the
city centre in an attempt to make as much revenue as possible.
Cant afford library`s, child centres, or people to staff public toilets
but the can always employ traffic wardens to rape and pillage the
pockets of unwary motorists.
What can we expect with an ex fairground worker like Green in charge.
White Rose Centre 1200 FREE parking places ! Where will punters park in Bradford, nowhere. Bradford Council will employ traffic wardens 24/7 to haunt the city centre in an attempt to make as much revenue as possible. Cant afford library`s, child centres, or people to staff public toilets but the can always employ traffic wardens to rape and pillage the pockets of unwary motorists. What can we expect with an ex fairground worker like Green in charge. Uther Pendragon

6:42pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Apollo wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?
They look like gypos. They certainly would not be allowed anywhere near a proper construction site as they are not properly dressed.

Just a bunch of scruffy oiks - possibly on Community Service.

As for anything actually getting built - there is no chance whatsoever.
Makes sense as the council leader looks like a gypo.
[quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?[/p][/quote]They look like gypos. They certainly would not be allowed anywhere near a proper construction site as they are not properly dressed. Just a bunch of scruffy oiks - possibly on Community Service. As for anything actually getting built - there is no chance whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Makes sense as the council leader looks like a gypo. Thee Voice of Reason

7:10pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Mr Bradford says...

Uther Pendragon wrote:
White Rose Centre 1200 FREE parking places !
Where will punters park in Bradford, nowhere.
Bradford Council will employ traffic wardens 24/7 to haunt the
city centre in an attempt to make as much revenue as possible.
Cant afford library`s, child centres, or people to staff public toilets
but the can always employ traffic wardens to rape and pillage the
pockets of unwary motorists.
What can we expect with an ex fairground worker like Green in charge.
Forster Square has 1300 FREE parking places! which is a short walk from Westfield, plus Westfield will have plenty of parking spaces where the wardens can't get you.

White Rose had been open over 15 years and hasn't been solely responsible for significant damage on Bradford, Wakefield, Halifax, Huddersfield, Leeds or any town centre and I don't expect the expansion of Primark and a few new restaurants will change anything.

White Rose is 10 miles away, people closer to Bradford will go to Westfield most of the time.
Anyone who makes a 20 mile round journey to save a couple of quid on parking obviously has no brain.
[quote][p][bold]Uther Pendragon[/bold] wrote: White Rose Centre 1200 FREE parking places ! Where will punters park in Bradford, nowhere. Bradford Council will employ traffic wardens 24/7 to haunt the city centre in an attempt to make as much revenue as possible. Cant afford library`s, child centres, or people to staff public toilets but the can always employ traffic wardens to rape and pillage the pockets of unwary motorists. What can we expect with an ex fairground worker like Green in charge.[/p][/quote]Forster Square has 1300 FREE parking places! which is a short walk from Westfield, plus Westfield will have plenty of parking spaces where the wardens can't get you. White Rose had been open over 15 years and hasn't been solely responsible for significant damage on Bradford, Wakefield, Halifax, Huddersfield, Leeds or any town centre and I don't expect the expansion of Primark and a few new restaurants will change anything. White Rose is 10 miles away, people closer to Bradford will go to Westfield most of the time. Anyone who makes a 20 mile round journey to save a couple of quid on parking obviously has no brain. Mr Bradford

7:31pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Avro says...

Westfield parking won't be free, and had Westfield built the shopping centre in 2007 as promised, they would not now be worrying about an expansion of White Rose.
Westfield parking won't be free, and had Westfield built the shopping centre in 2007 as promised, they would not now be worrying about an expansion of White Rose. Avro

7:34pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Avro says...

Bfd bloke wrote:
the council might have cleared the Urban Garden but I saw proper Westfield employees today around the site. FACT.
Bet you did not see them lay a single brick!
[quote][p][bold]Bfd bloke[/bold] wrote: the council might have cleared the Urban Garden but I saw proper Westfield employees today around the site. FACT.[/p][/quote]Bet you did not see them lay a single brick! Avro

8:07pm Fri 13 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

There's plenty of free parking in Forster Square Retail Park about 100 metres away, having said that it's been heaving recently. Westfield will deliver a quality shopping centre, the economy is improving....if they were going to pull the plug it would have been 2 or 3 years back.
There's plenty of free parking in Forster Square Retail Park about 100 metres away, having said that it's been heaving recently. Westfield will deliver a quality shopping centre, the economy is improving....if they were going to pull the plug it would have been 2 or 3 years back. bcfc1903

9:09pm Fri 13 Dec 13

wingerman11 says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
RuggerTyke wrote:
Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that.

Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.
Why? When they're just about to start building?

It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is.

So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.
Latest news from Renos la-la land....
Lets just forget about the seven and a half years prior to the revised plan going in! Doesn't count, sweep it under the carpet and pretend its only two and a half years and its on schedule for an average time scale!!
What a total muppet you really are.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that. Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.[/p][/quote]Why? When they're just about to start building? It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is. So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.[/p][/quote]Latest news from Renos la-la land.... Lets just forget about the seven and a half years prior to the revised plan going in! Doesn't count, sweep it under the carpet and pretend its only two and a half years and its on schedule for an average time scale!! What a total muppet you really are. wingerman11

9:14pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Mr Bradford says...

wingerman11 wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
RuggerTyke wrote:
Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that.

Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.
Why? When they're just about to start building?

It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is.

So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.
Latest news from Renos la-la land....
Lets just forget about the seven and a half years prior to the revised plan going in! Doesn't count, sweep it under the carpet and pretend its only two and a half years and its on schedule for an average time scale!!
What a total muppet you really are.
you're a muppet if you can't distinguish the two completely different projects.
[quote][p][bold]wingerman11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that. Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.[/p][/quote]Why? When they're just about to start building? It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is. So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.[/p][/quote]Latest news from Renos la-la land.... Lets just forget about the seven and a half years prior to the revised plan going in! Doesn't count, sweep it under the carpet and pretend its only two and a half years and its on schedule for an average time scale!! What a total muppet you really are.[/p][/quote]you're a muppet if you can't distinguish the two completely different projects. Mr Bradford

9:19pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Mr Bradford says...

Avro wrote:
Westfield parking won't be free, and had Westfield built the shopping centre in 2007 as promised, they would not now be worrying about an expansion of White Rose.
They said the're building in Bradford no matter what the outcome of White Rose is. Doesn't sound like they're worried to me!
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: Westfield parking won't be free, and had Westfield built the shopping centre in 2007 as promised, they would not now be worrying about an expansion of White Rose.[/p][/quote]They said the're building in Bradford no matter what the outcome of White Rose is. Doesn't sound like they're worried to me! Mr Bradford

9:25pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Mr Bradford says...

Avro wrote:
Bfd bloke wrote:
the council might have cleared the Urban Garden but I saw proper Westfield employees today around the site. FACT.
Bet you did not see them lay a single brick!
They're not going to lay bricks in a hole are they? foundation /ground work comes firs in the building process. I'm surprised you didn't already know this.
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bfd bloke[/bold] wrote: the council might have cleared the Urban Garden but I saw proper Westfield employees today around the site. FACT.[/p][/quote]Bet you did not see them lay a single brick![/p][/quote]They're not going to lay bricks in a hole are they? foundation /ground work comes firs in the building process. I'm surprised you didn't already know this. Mr Bradford

10:10pm Fri 13 Dec 13

wingerman11 says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
wingerman11 wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
RuggerTyke wrote:
Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that.

Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.
Why? When they're just about to start building?

It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is.

So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.
Latest news from Renos la-la land....
Lets just forget about the seven and a half years prior to the revised plan going in! Doesn't count, sweep it under the carpet and pretend its only two and a half years and its on schedule for an average time scale!!
What a total muppet you really are.
you're a muppet if you can't distinguish the two completely different projects.
I think 99.9% of us can distinguish the fact that Westfield have sat on it for nearly 10 years without laying a single brick! However you try and dress it up as different projects, it doesn't alter that fact.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wingerman11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that. Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.[/p][/quote]Why? When they're just about to start building? It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is. So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.[/p][/quote]Latest news from Renos la-la land.... Lets just forget about the seven and a half years prior to the revised plan going in! Doesn't count, sweep it under the carpet and pretend its only two and a half years and its on schedule for an average time scale!! What a total muppet you really are.[/p][/quote]you're a muppet if you can't distinguish the two completely different projects.[/p][/quote]I think 99.9% of us can distinguish the fact that Westfield have sat on it for nearly 10 years without laying a single brick! However you try and dress it up as different projects, it doesn't alter that fact. wingerman11

11:00pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Mr Bradford says...

wingerman11 wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
wingerman11 wrote:
Mr Bradford wrote:
RuggerTyke wrote:
Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that.

Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.
Why? When they're just about to start building?

It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is.

So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.
Latest news from Renos la-la land....
Lets just forget about the seven and a half years prior to the revised plan going in! Doesn't count, sweep it under the carpet and pretend its only two and a half years and its on schedule for an average time scale!!
What a total muppet you really are.
you're a muppet if you can't distinguish the two completely different projects.
I think 99.9% of us can distinguish the fact that Westfield have sat on it for nearly 10 years without laying a single brick! However you try and dress it up as different projects, it doesn't alter that fact.
They are different projects though, no dressing up required.

People like yourself say only 9 tenants have signed up in 10 years, but if you're going to merge the two then you should include the 50 that signed up to the original shopping centre before it was scrapped.

Funny how certain people choose to forget certain facts though.
[quote][p][bold]wingerman11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wingerman11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that. Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.[/p][/quote]Why? When they're just about to start building? It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is. So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.[/p][/quote]Latest news from Renos la-la land.... Lets just forget about the seven and a half years prior to the revised plan going in! Doesn't count, sweep it under the carpet and pretend its only two and a half years and its on schedule for an average time scale!! What a total muppet you really are.[/p][/quote]you're a muppet if you can't distinguish the two completely different projects.[/p][/quote]I think 99.9% of us can distinguish the fact that Westfield have sat on it for nearly 10 years without laying a single brick! However you try and dress it up as different projects, it doesn't alter that fact.[/p][/quote]They are different projects though, no dressing up required. People like yourself say only 9 tenants have signed up in 10 years, but if you're going to merge the two then you should include the 50 that signed up to the original shopping centre before it was scrapped. Funny how certain people choose to forget certain facts though. Mr Bradford

11:22pm Fri 13 Dec 13

wingerman11 says...

So if there were 50 signed up originally, why have only 9 re-signed in the last 2 to 3 years?
Also, care to name most of those 50?
So if there were 50 signed up originally, why have only 9 re-signed in the last 2 to 3 years? Also, care to name most of those 50? wingerman11

4:48pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Mr Bradford says...

wingerman11 wrote:
So if there were 50 signed up originally, why have only 9 re-signed in the last 2 to 3 years?
Also, care to name most of those 50?
I was before the recession, and because it's a completely different project it's not a simple case of resigning.
I can't remember them all and not all the names were announced, Westfield only stated 50% of the then 100 units were spoken for. But it did included Topshop, BHS and Beverbrooks.
[quote][p][bold]wingerman11[/bold] wrote: So if there were 50 signed up originally, why have only 9 re-signed in the last 2 to 3 years? Also, care to name most of those 50?[/p][/quote]I was before the recession, and because it's a completely different project it's not a simple case of resigning. I can't remember them all and not all the names were announced, Westfield only stated 50% of the then 100 units were spoken for. But it did included Topshop, BHS and Beverbrooks. Mr Bradford

8:49pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress.
So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right.
Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
Just saying it how it is.
Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.
And keep saying it.
after 10 years in next july when demolition commenced it is indeed a very big YAWN.
Schroder and BCFC 1903 cannot wait.

Well they will be disappointed.
7 tenants that we have already and whose brand will add nothing to tempt a return.

Its the scum in the city that will ensure its failure.
The police recently admitted they have no resourse to fund its fight further.

So the beggars drunks and anti socialites will continue to occupy the asylum.
With Schroeder and BCFC 1903 lapping it up.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn.[/p][/quote]Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]And keep saying it. after 10 years in next july when demolition commenced it is indeed a very big YAWN. Schroder and BCFC 1903 cannot wait. Well they will be disappointed. 7 tenants that we have already and whose brand will add nothing to tempt a return. Its the scum in the city that will ensure its failure. The police recently admitted they have no resourse to fund its fight further. So the beggars drunks and anti socialites will continue to occupy the asylum. With Schroeder and BCFC 1903 lapping it up. Ahrmen Aleg

8:55pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress.
So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right.
Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
Just saying it how it is.
Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.
This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process.

That's how it is.
Schroeder you are a fool.
Can you not read.

West field have not yet even completed the sale of the site to Bergmen Meyer or whatever they are called.They wont buy till enough tenants signed.

Do a Land Registry search if you believe me not.

Perry Austin Clarke (alleged editor is it you by chance) keeps rolling out PR guff.

Drip by drip for the gullible as you.

TVOR sees behind the Bull.
[quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn.[/p][/quote]Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.[/p][/quote]Schroeder you are a fool. Can you not read. West field have not yet even completed the sale of the site to Bergmen Meyer or whatever they are called.They wont buy till enough tenants signed. Do a Land Registry search if you believe me not. Perry Austin Clarke (alleged editor is it you by chance) keeps rolling out PR guff. Drip by drip for the gullible as you. TVOR sees behind the Bull. Ahrmen Aleg

9:00pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

schroeder wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.
This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.
Haha, sorry but I have to step in here.

Westfield won't build till they reach the require number of prelets, they have said that publicly in all their statements. It might not have been clear but it is certainly there. 70 shops minus 9 signed up equals 61 empty plots. Westfield won't go ahead with just 9 shops signed up, they probably won't go ahead with just 25 signed up, I'd say even at 35 it would be pushing it.

This is nowhere near getting off the ground.
yes they said they won't build until 50% of the floor space is pre-let, which it is now.
No it is not.

IT IS CALLED SPIN>

No contracts are signed.

End of.

Only commitments if enough sign.

And the like of Gap and other modern big brands will not.
Half baked cold turkey does nothing for me.

And most.

So Leeds sadly it is and we become a city of bazaars.
[quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn.[/p][/quote]Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.[/p][/quote]Haha, sorry but I have to step in here. Westfield won't build till they reach the require number of prelets, they have said that publicly in all their statements. It might not have been clear but it is certainly there. 70 shops minus 9 signed up equals 61 empty plots. Westfield won't go ahead with just 9 shops signed up, they probably won't go ahead with just 25 signed up, I'd say even at 35 it would be pushing it. This is nowhere near getting off the ground.[/p][/quote]yes they said they won't build until 50% of the floor space is pre-let, which it is now.[/p][/quote]No it is not. IT IS CALLED SPIN> No contracts are signed. End of. Only commitments if enough sign. And the like of Gap and other modern big brands will not. Half baked cold turkey does nothing for me. And most. So Leeds sadly it is and we become a city of bazaars. Ahrmen Aleg

9:18pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
RuggerTyke wrote:
Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that.

Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.
Why? When they're just about to start building?

It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is.

So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.
It is nowhere near starting and we all doubt will.

A meet the buyer event was attended by over 200 who HOPE to secure a piece of the non action.

Another waste of time.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RuggerTyke[/bold] wrote: Westfield and Bergman need to leave Bradford and never return . Simple as that. Bradford Council needs to find a way in getting that land back. They've had ten years to devise a plan but pocket money isn't easily rejected.[/p][/quote]Why? When they're just about to start building? It's not been 10 years, It was about 2 and a half years ago when they announced plans of the revived shopping centre which should be treated as a completely different project because it is. So 2 and a half years form the first announcement to starting construction, which is about the average time scale for a large project like this.[/p][/quote]It is nowhere near starting and we all doubt will. A meet the buyer event was attended by over 200 who HOPE to secure a piece of the non action. Another waste of time. Ahrmen Aleg

9:26pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
There's plenty of free parking in Forster Square Retail Park about 100 metres away, having said that it's been heaving recently. Westfield will deliver a quality shopping centre, the economy is improving....if they were going to pull the plug it would have been 2 or 3 years back.
The economy is booming with spin.

The Bradford Economy booming?

Yes £40 million street value heroin intercepted in Luton.

So even our economy has taken a setback this week.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: There's plenty of free parking in Forster Square Retail Park about 100 metres away, having said that it's been heaving recently. Westfield will deliver a quality shopping centre, the economy is improving....if they were going to pull the plug it would have been 2 or 3 years back.[/p][/quote]The economy is booming with spin. The Bradford Economy booming? Yes £40 million street value heroin intercepted in Luton. So even our economy has taken a setback this week. Ahrmen Aleg

10:23pm Sat 14 Dec 13

schroeder says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.
This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.
Haha, sorry but I have to step in here.

Westfield won't build till they reach the require number of prelets, they have said that publicly in all their statements. It might not have been clear but it is certainly there. 70 shops minus 9 signed up equals 61 empty plots. Westfield won't go ahead with just 9 shops signed up, they probably won't go ahead with just 25 signed up, I'd say even at 35 it would be pushing it.

This is nowhere near getting off the ground.
yes they said they won't build until 50% of the floor space is pre-let, which it is now.
No it is not.

IT IS CALLED SPIN>

No contracts are signed.

End of.

Only commitments if enough sign.

And the like of Gap and other modern big brands will not.
Half baked cold turkey does nothing for me.

And most.

So Leeds sadly it is and we become a city of bazaars.
Who are you to say everyone's lying and no contacts have been signed? haha of course you know best....
Debenhams, M&S, Next, Phones 4 U, Vodafone, H Samuel, River Island, WH Smith and Ernest Jones have all SIGNED up and more are close to signing and will be announced soon.
It's not spin you idiot, It's fact.
Tenants are signing up pretty much on a weekly basis now, it's going to happen like it or not pal.
You think Gap is a modern brand?? hahahahah lolz.
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn.[/p][/quote]Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.[/p][/quote]Haha, sorry but I have to step in here. Westfield won't build till they reach the require number of prelets, they have said that publicly in all their statements. It might not have been clear but it is certainly there. 70 shops minus 9 signed up equals 61 empty plots. Westfield won't go ahead with just 9 shops signed up, they probably won't go ahead with just 25 signed up, I'd say even at 35 it would be pushing it. This is nowhere near getting off the ground.[/p][/quote]yes they said they won't build until 50% of the floor space is pre-let, which it is now.[/p][/quote]No it is not. IT IS CALLED SPIN> No contracts are signed. End of. Only commitments if enough sign. And the like of Gap and other modern big brands will not. Half baked cold turkey does nothing for me. And most. So Leeds sadly it is and we become a city of bazaars.[/p][/quote]Who are you to say everyone's lying and no contacts have been signed? haha of course you know best.... Debenhams, M&S, Next, Phones 4 U, Vodafone, H Samuel, River Island, WH Smith and Ernest Jones have all SIGNED up and more are close to signing and will be announced soon. It's not spin you idiot, It's fact. Tenants are signing up pretty much on a weekly basis now, it's going to happen like it or not pal. You think Gap is a modern brand?? hahahahah lolz. schroeder

2:50am Sun 15 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

schroeder wrote:
Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.
This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.
Haha, sorry but I have to step in here.

Westfield won't build till they reach the require number of prelets, they have said that publicly in all their statements. It might not have been clear but it is certainly there. 70 shops minus 9 signed up equals 61 empty plots. Westfield won't go ahead with just 9 shops signed up, they probably won't go ahead with just 25 signed up, I'd say even at 35 it would be pushing it.

This is nowhere near getting off the ground.
yes they said they won't build until 50% of the floor space is pre-let, which it is now.
No it is not.

IT IS CALLED SPIN>

No contracts are signed.

End of.

Only commitments if enough sign.

And the like of Gap and other modern big brands will not.
Half baked cold turkey does nothing for me.

And most.

So Leeds sadly it is and we become a city of bazaars.
Who are you to say everyone's lying and no contacts have been signed? haha of course you know best....
Debenhams, M&S, Next, Phones 4 U, Vodafone, H Samuel, River Island, WH Smith and Ernest Jones have all SIGNED up and more are close to signing and will be announced soon.
It's not spin you idiot, It's fact.
Tenants are signing up pretty much on a weekly basis now, it's going to happen like it or not pal.
You think Gap is a modern brand?? hahahahah lolz.
You wagering your house on it with me?

7 of the 9 are already here.
Yet the City is dead.

I invite you to pay the small fee to the Land Registry to see who is the registered title holder of the site.

They deal in fact not conjecture.

I personally like thousands have all but given up on the City.
So has David Hockney.

You live in a dreamworld.
I like TVOR and others do their proper research before believing the nonsense spin that is periodically put out in this long running farce.

David Green told me personally of a specific date in November that he had been assured (more spin from Westfield to the Council)that building would start.

A month has passed.

I suppose a miracle could happen and government pressure could see tepid steps taken to build.

However you are now in a minority of posters who think the project is stioll right for the City with the way Town Centre retail is heading dramatically.

By the time, if ever it is built ,we will all be ordering online with robots despatching our goods via couriers within 24 hours.
sorry about Gap.
I know little of current fashion trends other than what my 15 year old daughter tells me.
She never wants to set foot down town again.
She travels to White Rose Meadowhall and Oxford Street but anywhere but Bradfgord 1.

The last time I took her I was parking in a bay top of Darley Street.
I had not even finished my park when a large rap on the window revealed some demented soul holding his hand out with 5 pound coins in it and a collection of silver.

The beggar had clearly had a good morning.
The truth is every time I have ventured in the past 3 years I have been badgered for the price of a cup of tea.

I have taken to wearing a black thermal hat scruffy jeans and a dirty jacket.
So I fit in and have less chance of been bothered.

Keep up the delusion.

The place is the pits.
And Westfield Bergman Meyer et al know it.

Sleep tight.Pal.

LOL xx sweety
[quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn.[/p][/quote]Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.[/p][/quote]Haha, sorry but I have to step in here. Westfield won't build till they reach the require number of prelets, they have said that publicly in all their statements. It might not have been clear but it is certainly there. 70 shops minus 9 signed up equals 61 empty plots. Westfield won't go ahead with just 9 shops signed up, they probably won't go ahead with just 25 signed up, I'd say even at 35 it would be pushing it. This is nowhere near getting off the ground.[/p][/quote]yes they said they won't build until 50% of the floor space is pre-let, which it is now.[/p][/quote]No it is not. IT IS CALLED SPIN> No contracts are signed. End of. Only commitments if enough sign. And the like of Gap and other modern big brands will not. Half baked cold turkey does nothing for me. And most. So Leeds sadly it is and we become a city of bazaars.[/p][/quote]Who are you to say everyone's lying and no contacts have been signed? haha of course you know best.... Debenhams, M&S, Next, Phones 4 U, Vodafone, H Samuel, River Island, WH Smith and Ernest Jones have all SIGNED up and more are close to signing and will be announced soon. It's not spin you idiot, It's fact. Tenants are signing up pretty much on a weekly basis now, it's going to happen like it or not pal. You think Gap is a modern brand?? hahahahah lolz.[/p][/quote]You wagering your house on it with me? 7 of the 9 are already here. Yet the City is dead. I invite you to pay the small fee to the Land Registry to see who is the registered title holder of the site. They deal in fact not conjecture. I personally like thousands have all but given up on the City. So has David Hockney. You live in a dreamworld. I like TVOR and others do their proper research before believing the nonsense spin that is periodically put out in this long running farce. David Green told me personally of a specific date in November that he had been assured (more spin from Westfield to the Council)that building would start. A month has passed. I suppose a miracle could happen and government pressure could see tepid steps taken to build. However you are now in a minority of posters who think the project is stioll right for the City with the way Town Centre retail is heading dramatically. By the time, if ever it is built ,we will all be ordering online with robots despatching our goods via couriers within 24 hours. sorry about Gap. I know little of current fashion trends other than what my 15 year old daughter tells me. She never wants to set foot down town again. She travels to White Rose Meadowhall and Oxford Street but anywhere but Bradfgord 1. The last time I took her I was parking in a bay top of Darley Street. I had not even finished my park when a large rap on the window revealed some demented soul holding his hand out with 5 pound coins in it and a collection of silver. The beggar had clearly had a good morning. The truth is every time I have ventured in the past 3 years I have been badgered for the price of a cup of tea. I have taken to wearing a black thermal hat scruffy jeans and a dirty jacket. So I fit in and have less chance of been bothered. Keep up the delusion. The place is the pits. And Westfield Bergman Meyer et al know it. Sleep tight.Pal. LOL xx sweety Ahrmen Aleg

10:24am Sun 15 Dec 13

schroeder says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.
This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.
Haha, sorry but I have to step in here.

Westfield won't build till they reach the require number of prelets, they have said that publicly in all their statements. It might not have been clear but it is certainly there. 70 shops minus 9 signed up equals 61 empty plots. Westfield won't go ahead with just 9 shops signed up, they probably won't go ahead with just 25 signed up, I'd say even at 35 it would be pushing it.

This is nowhere near getting off the ground.
yes they said they won't build until 50% of the floor space is pre-let, which it is now.
No it is not.

IT IS CALLED SPIN>

No contracts are signed.

End of.

Only commitments if enough sign.

And the like of Gap and other modern big brands will not.
Half baked cold turkey does nothing for me.

And most.

So Leeds sadly it is and we become a city of bazaars.
Who are you to say everyone's lying and no contacts have been signed? haha of course you know best....
Debenhams, M&S, Next, Phones 4 U, Vodafone, H Samuel, River Island, WH Smith and Ernest Jones have all SIGNED up and more are close to signing and will be announced soon.
It's not spin you idiot, It's fact.
Tenants are signing up pretty much on a weekly basis now, it's going to happen like it or not pal.
You think Gap is a modern brand?? hahahahah lolz.
You wagering your house on it with me?

7 of the 9 are already here.
Yet the City is dead.

I invite you to pay the small fee to the Land Registry to see who is the registered title holder of the site.

They deal in fact not conjecture.

I personally like thousands have all but given up on the City.
So has David Hockney.

You live in a dreamworld.
I like TVOR and others do their proper research before believing the nonsense spin that is periodically put out in this long running farce.

David Green told me personally of a specific date in November that he had been assured (more spin from Westfield to the Council)that building would start.

A month has passed.

I suppose a miracle could happen and government pressure could see tepid steps taken to build.

However you are now in a minority of posters who think the project is stioll right for the City with the way Town Centre retail is heading dramatically.

By the time, if ever it is built ,we will all be ordering online with robots despatching our goods via couriers within 24 hours.
sorry about Gap.
I know little of current fashion trends other than what my 15 year old daughter tells me.
She never wants to set foot down town again.
She travels to White Rose Meadowhall and Oxford Street but anywhere but Bradfgord 1.

The last time I took her I was parking in a bay top of Darley Street.
I had not even finished my park when a large rap on the window revealed some demented soul holding his hand out with 5 pound coins in it and a collection of silver.

The beggar had clearly had a good morning.
The truth is every time I have ventured in the past 3 years I have been badgered for the price of a cup of tea.

I have taken to wearing a black thermal hat scruffy jeans and a dirty jacket.
So I fit in and have less chance of been bothered.

Keep up the delusion.

The place is the pits.
And Westfield Bergman Meyer et al know it.

Sleep tight.Pal.

LOL xx sweety
It's funny how I work in Bradford and have walked through the city centre almost everyday for the last 5 year and I've never been asked for money for a cup of tea....
I bet you choose not to see the beggers when you go to Leeds? I went last week , there was 2 under the bridge next to the train station asking everyone who walked past for money, and a drunk shouting obscenities when children were around near the market.

There's no more beggers in Bradford than any other city so why do you make out that they only exist in Bradford?

If Westfield think Bradford is the pits then why are they investing so much money in the city and stuck by Bradford throughout the recession when they could have walked away at any point and used it as an excuse??

You seem desperate for this not to go ahead because you know that it will be a great thing for Bradford, and you don't want the city to improve for whatever reason..
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn.[/p][/quote]Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]This shopping centre is going ahead and building work will start soon. 9 tenants have signed up before a brick has even been laid, obviously a lot more will sign up during the building process. That's how it is.[/p][/quote]Haha, sorry but I have to step in here. Westfield won't build till they reach the require number of prelets, they have said that publicly in all their statements. It might not have been clear but it is certainly there. 70 shops minus 9 signed up equals 61 empty plots. Westfield won't go ahead with just 9 shops signed up, they probably won't go ahead with just 25 signed up, I'd say even at 35 it would be pushing it. This is nowhere near getting off the ground.[/p][/quote]yes they said they won't build until 50% of the floor space is pre-let, which it is now.[/p][/quote]No it is not. IT IS CALLED SPIN> No contracts are signed. End of. Only commitments if enough sign. And the like of Gap and other modern big brands will not. Half baked cold turkey does nothing for me. And most. So Leeds sadly it is and we become a city of bazaars.[/p][/quote]Who are you to say everyone's lying and no contacts have been signed? haha of course you know best.... Debenhams, M&S, Next, Phones 4 U, Vodafone, H Samuel, River Island, WH Smith and Ernest Jones have all SIGNED up and more are close to signing and will be announced soon. It's not spin you idiot, It's fact. Tenants are signing up pretty much on a weekly basis now, it's going to happen like it or not pal. You think Gap is a modern brand?? hahahahah lolz.[/p][/quote]You wagering your house on it with me? 7 of the 9 are already here. Yet the City is dead. I invite you to pay the small fee to the Land Registry to see who is the registered title holder of the site. They deal in fact not conjecture. I personally like thousands have all but given up on the City. So has David Hockney. You live in a dreamworld. I like TVOR and others do their proper research before believing the nonsense spin that is periodically put out in this long running farce. David Green told me personally of a specific date in November that he had been assured (more spin from Westfield to the Council)that building would start. A month has passed. I suppose a miracle could happen and government pressure could see tepid steps taken to build. However you are now in a minority of posters who think the project is stioll right for the City with the way Town Centre retail is heading dramatically. By the time, if ever it is built ,we will all be ordering online with robots despatching our goods via couriers within 24 hours. sorry about Gap. I know little of current fashion trends other than what my 15 year old daughter tells me. She never wants to set foot down town again. She travels to White Rose Meadowhall and Oxford Street but anywhere but Bradfgord 1. The last time I took her I was parking in a bay top of Darley Street. I had not even finished my park when a large rap on the window revealed some demented soul holding his hand out with 5 pound coins in it and a collection of silver. The beggar had clearly had a good morning. The truth is every time I have ventured in the past 3 years I have been badgered for the price of a cup of tea. I have taken to wearing a black thermal hat scruffy jeans and a dirty jacket. So I fit in and have less chance of been bothered. Keep up the delusion. The place is the pits. And Westfield Bergman Meyer et al know it. Sleep tight.Pal. LOL xx sweety[/p][/quote]It's funny how I work in Bradford and have walked through the city centre almost everyday for the last 5 year and I've never been asked for money for a cup of tea.... I bet you choose not to see the beggers when you go to Leeds? I went last week , there was 2 under the bridge next to the train station asking everyone who walked past for money, and a drunk shouting obscenities when children were around near the market. There's no more beggers in Bradford than any other city so why do you make out that they only exist in Bradford? If Westfield think Bradford is the pits then why are they investing so much money in the city and stuck by Bradford throughout the recession when they could have walked away at any point and used it as an excuse?? You seem desperate for this not to go ahead because you know that it will be a great thing for Bradford, and you don't want the city to improve for whatever reason.. schroeder

11:13am Sun 15 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
schroeder wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress.
So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right.
Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.
Yawwwwn.
Just saying it how it is.
Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.
And keep saying it.
after 10 years in next july when demolition commenced it is indeed a very big YAWN.
Schroder and BCFC 1903 cannot wait.

Well they will be disappointed.
7 tenants that we have already and whose brand will add nothing to tempt a return.

Its the scum in the city that will ensure its failure.
The police recently admitted they have no resourse to fund its fight further.

So the beggars drunks and anti socialites will continue to occupy the asylum.
With Schroeder and BCFC 1903 lapping it up.
If you are not going to quote me ...you then make me read all the absolute tripe you manage to put on one thread, please spare me that. It seems pretty obvious that Westfield are about to start building the Broadway scheme, all this stuff about beggars is so much rubbish, unfortunately all towns and city's have these unfortunate souls. To call these unfortunates 'scum' does you no credit. Of course i'll frequent the Broadway shopping centre when it's built as will my family, I'm quite sure it will be a great success just as are the Kirkgate and Forster Square shopping facilities are in Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When sod all has been done for 10 years this is actually classed as progress. So still 9 of 70 stores known, 7 of which are already in the City and no start date announced other than when the time is right. Seeing as the whole thing was mothballed at the stage of laying foundations this means absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwn.[/p][/quote]Just saying it how it is. Unless you'd prefer smoke and mirrors ala Westfield and Bradford Council.[/p][/quote]And keep saying it. after 10 years in next july when demolition commenced it is indeed a very big YAWN. Schroder and BCFC 1903 cannot wait. Well they will be disappointed. 7 tenants that we have already and whose brand will add nothing to tempt a return. Its the scum in the city that will ensure its failure. The police recently admitted they have no resourse to fund its fight further. So the beggars drunks and anti socialites will continue to occupy the asylum. With Schroeder and BCFC 1903 lapping it up.[/p][/quote]If you are not going to quote me ...you then make me read all the absolute tripe you manage to put on one thread, please spare me that. It seems pretty obvious that Westfield are about to start building the Broadway scheme, all this stuff about beggars is so much rubbish, unfortunately all towns and city's have these unfortunate souls. To call these unfortunates 'scum' does you no credit. Of course i'll frequent the Broadway shopping centre when it's built as will my family, I'm quite sure it will be a great success just as are the Kirkgate and Forster Square shopping facilities are in Bradford. bcfc1903

8:30pm Sun 15 Dec 13

bonoforpm says...

All these comments about beggars are true, if you haven't seen or been abused by them then you must be invisible.

1. the muslim woman (presumably) dressed in a black pillar box, outside the Wool Exchange, with her begging instructions on a piece of card that she flashes at you because she hasn't even learnt enough English to beg with.

2. The aggressive woman who begs 20p to make a phone call from a non-existent public phone. Sometimes pinning you in your car while she does so.
She was barred from the Queens for trying to cash in her takings there.

3. And, possibly the best yet, the guy begging day rider bus tickets on Market Street last week.

These are only the memorable ones, there are many others
Wake up people !
All these comments about beggars are true, if you haven't seen or been abused by them then you must be invisible. 1. the muslim woman (presumably) dressed in a black pillar box, outside the Wool Exchange, with her begging instructions on a piece of card that she flashes at you because she hasn't even learnt enough English to beg with. 2. The aggressive woman who begs 20p to make a phone call from a non-existent public phone. Sometimes pinning you in your car while she does so. She was barred from the Queens for trying to cash in her takings there. 3. And, possibly the best yet, the guy begging day rider bus tickets on Market Street last week. These are only the memorable ones, there are many others Wake up people ! bonoforpm

9:29pm Sun 15 Dec 13

bhuna156 says...

bonoforpm wrote:
All these comments about beggars are true, if you haven't seen or been abused by them then you must be invisible.

1. the muslim woman (presumably) dressed in a black pillar box, outside the Wool Exchange, with her begging instructions on a piece of card that she flashes at you because she hasn't even learnt enough English to beg with.

2. The aggressive woman who begs 20p to make a phone call from a non-existent public phone. Sometimes pinning you in your car while she does so.
She was barred from the Queens for trying to cash in her takings there.

3. And, possibly the best yet, the guy begging day rider bus tickets on Market Street last week.

These are only the memorable ones, there are many others
Wake up people !
Nobody's saying there's no beggers in Bradford, just that they are in every other city too, especially cities like Leeds.

You only know these certain one's you mentioned because I suspect you're from Bradford and know Bradford very well. If you were from another city you'd know about a different set of beggers.
[quote][p][bold]bonoforpm[/bold] wrote: All these comments about beggars are true, if you haven't seen or been abused by them then you must be invisible. 1. the muslim woman (presumably) dressed in a black pillar box, outside the Wool Exchange, with her begging instructions on a piece of card that she flashes at you because she hasn't even learnt enough English to beg with. 2. The aggressive woman who begs 20p to make a phone call from a non-existent public phone. Sometimes pinning you in your car while she does so. She was barred from the Queens for trying to cash in her takings there. 3. And, possibly the best yet, the guy begging day rider bus tickets on Market Street last week. These are only the memorable ones, there are many others Wake up people ![/p][/quote]Nobody's saying there's no beggers in Bradford, just that they are in every other city too, especially cities like Leeds. You only know these certain one's you mentioned because I suspect you're from Bradford and know Bradford very well. If you were from another city you'd know about a different set of beggers. bhuna156

9:37pm Sun 15 Dec 13

bhuna156 says...

I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.
I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will. bhuna156

10:27pm Sun 15 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

bhuna156 wrote:
I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.
Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.
[quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.[/p][/quote]Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building. bcfc1903

8:42am Mon 16 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

I'll have go at some points. Yep , serious street drinking was going on, bottom of Ivegate at 11am last Friday morning, every time I go it's there, yet I've never seen it once in Leeds. "seen" is the point, I am sure it must go on somewhere, but obviously it's not tolerated in a highly visible central position. It's not a difficult problem to solve but it's right there, 100m from City Hall!

I think the pro-mall folk just want it built then they can say "I told you so". Of course 5 years later with a dead centre, a 3rd rate mall and Bradford's one off opportunity gone forever, some will be able to say "We told you what would happen".

Of course removing a gazebo from a grassy knoll outside of the initial construction area is not "clearing the site", it just means that Bradford has now 1 Gazebos and a bench less:-) Is the T&A taking the mick again, or, it is making a statement & trying to up pressure on Westfield? Who knows, either won't wash anyway.

Parking at Forster Sq is an excellent facility, if it was not there then I'd never go to Bradford. I think (but am not sure) the council was responsible for ensuring long term free parking when it sold the land. Good. But it's is busy at popular times as it is the default car park for the whole centre as a look at the footfall in the FS shops, when the car park is full, proves, so I don't think it could help a mall much.

But the important thing is retailers, I very rarely go to the White Rose but if I had to pay for parking at Westfield, then the attractions have got to be the same or at least comparable because we are talking about a difference of a couple of quid, 20 miles in fuel and free parking or 3+ hours paid parking.

So far, Westfield is offering Bradford's WR shoppers only Debenhams as store we don't already have, nothing else. A WR shopper is not going to forsake the below to save £2 on a day's shopping, let's be sensible............
.....

http://www.white-ros
e.co.uk/shops
I'll have go at some points. Yep , serious street drinking was going on, bottom of Ivegate at 11am last Friday morning, every time I go it's there, yet I've never seen it once in Leeds. "seen" is the point, I am sure it must go on somewhere, but obviously it's not tolerated in a highly visible central position. It's not a difficult problem to solve but it's right there, 100m from City Hall! I think the pro-mall folk just want it built then they can say "I told you so". Of course 5 years later with a dead centre, a 3rd rate mall and Bradford's one off opportunity gone forever, some will be able to say "We told you what would happen". Of course removing a gazebo from a grassy knoll outside of the initial construction area is not "clearing the site", it just means that Bradford has now 1 Gazebos and a bench less:-) Is the T&A taking the mick again, or, it is making a statement & trying to up pressure on Westfield? Who knows, either won't wash anyway. Parking at Forster Sq is an excellent facility, if it was not there then I'd never go to Bradford. I think (but am not sure) the council was responsible for ensuring long term free parking when it sold the land. Good. But it's is busy at popular times as it is the default car park for the whole centre as a look at the footfall in the FS shops, when the car park is full, proves, so I don't think it could help a mall much. But the important thing is retailers, I very rarely go to the White Rose but if I had to pay for parking at Westfield, then the attractions have got to be the same or at least comparable because we are talking about a difference of a couple of quid, 20 miles in fuel and free parking or 3+ hours paid parking. So far, Westfield is offering Bradford's WR shoppers only Debenhams as store we don't already have, nothing else. A WR shopper is not going to forsake the below to save £2 on a day's shopping, let's be sensible............ ..... http://www.white-ros e.co.uk/shops Pondlover

12:33pm Mon 16 Dec 13

bonoforpm says...

bhuna156 wrote:
bonoforpm wrote:
All these comments about beggars are true, if you haven't seen or been abused by them then you must be invisible.

1. the muslim woman (presumably) dressed in a black pillar box, outside the Wool Exchange, with her begging instructions on a piece of card that she flashes at you because she hasn't even learnt enough English to beg with.

2. The aggressive woman who begs 20p to make a phone call from a non-existent public phone. Sometimes pinning you in your car while she does so.
She was barred from the Queens for trying to cash in her takings there.

3. And, possibly the best yet, the guy begging day rider bus tickets on Market Street last week.

These are only the memorable ones, there are many others
Wake up people !
Nobody's saying there's no beggers in Bradford, just that they are in every other city too, especially cities like Leeds.

You only know these certain one's you mentioned because I suspect you're from Bradford and know Bradford very well. If you were from another city you'd know about a different set of beggers.
Point taken bhuna156, but I was not trying to say there are no beggars elsewhere, just that these threads give the impression that there is no real begging problem in Bradford.

I get around Yorkshire quite a bit and can tell you from my personal experience that begging is much much worse in Bradford than anywhere else that I go to.
[quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bonoforpm[/bold] wrote: All these comments about beggars are true, if you haven't seen or been abused by them then you must be invisible. 1. the muslim woman (presumably) dressed in a black pillar box, outside the Wool Exchange, with her begging instructions on a piece of card that she flashes at you because she hasn't even learnt enough English to beg with. 2. The aggressive woman who begs 20p to make a phone call from a non-existent public phone. Sometimes pinning you in your car while she does so. She was barred from the Queens for trying to cash in her takings there. 3. And, possibly the best yet, the guy begging day rider bus tickets on Market Street last week. These are only the memorable ones, there are many others Wake up people ![/p][/quote]Nobody's saying there's no beggers in Bradford, just that they are in every other city too, especially cities like Leeds. You only know these certain one's you mentioned because I suspect you're from Bradford and know Bradford very well. If you were from another city you'd know about a different set of beggers.[/p][/quote]Point taken bhuna156, but I was not trying to say there are no beggars elsewhere, just that these threads give the impression that there is no real begging problem in Bradford. I get around Yorkshire quite a bit and can tell you from my personal experience that begging is much much worse in Bradford than anywhere else that I go to. bonoforpm

2:02pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

bhuna156 wrote:
I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.
Your poor poor family

Your house will be awash with Shisha Pipes , Sari's and Betting slips come Christmas Day
[quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.[/p][/quote]Your poor poor family Your house will be awash with Shisha Pipes , Sari's and Betting slips come Christmas Day Andy2010

2:04pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.
Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.
Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread

The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me

You should work for the council with your deluded optimism
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.[/p][/quote]Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.[/p][/quote]Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me You should work for the council with your deluded optimism Andy2010

2:09pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.
Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.
Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread

The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me

You should work for the council with your deluded optimism
Meanwhile Leeds have reported since Trinity was built they have had a 30% increase in footfall this Xmas so far and last night hosted Sports Personality of the Year with Status Quo, Wet Wet Wet, Andre Rieu, JLS and World Championship Boxing all to come this year

Whats going on at City Park again? Worlds biggest Onion Bhaji contest?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.[/p][/quote]Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.[/p][/quote]Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me You should work for the council with your deluded optimism[/p][/quote]Meanwhile Leeds have reported since Trinity was built they have had a 30% increase in footfall this Xmas so far and last night hosted Sports Personality of the Year with Status Quo, Wet Wet Wet, Andre Rieu, JLS and World Championship Boxing all to come this year Whats going on at City Park again? Worlds biggest Onion Bhaji contest? Andy2010

2:32pm Mon 16 Dec 13

MaxBFD says...

Having lived down south for a few years I cowuldn´t worry about Bradfords begging problem at all. It happens everywhere. Its definitely worse down south and having lived in Bradford all my life I rarely get bothered. Admittedly everyone has different experiences.

As for Bradford shopping, with or without Westfield I prefer it to the WR centre. WR is always heaving, yes there are more shops but because they´re all crammed in, so many of them are too small and overcrowded. At least in Bradford you don´t have to walk around like a Penguin for 2 hours. So many times have walked away from WR thinking that was awful. I know I´m not the only one. Bradford...never. Yes its not fancy and particularly great in terms of choice...but its more than good enough.
Having lived down south for a few years I cowuldn´t worry about Bradfords begging problem at all. It happens everywhere. Its definitely worse down south and having lived in Bradford all my life I rarely get bothered. Admittedly everyone has different experiences. As for Bradford shopping, with or without Westfield I prefer it to the WR centre. WR is always heaving, yes there are more shops but because they´re all crammed in, so many of them are too small and overcrowded. At least in Bradford you don´t have to walk around like a Penguin for 2 hours. So many times have walked away from WR thinking that was awful. I know I´m not the only one. Bradford...never. Yes its not fancy and particularly great in terms of choice...but its more than good enough. MaxBFD

2:39pm Mon 16 Dec 13

SinnerSaint says...

"Having lived down south for a few years".... "and having lived in Bradford all my life".

Come on then, which is it?!!
"Having lived down south for a few years".... "and having lived in Bradford all my life". Come on then, which is it?!! SinnerSaint

2:41pm Mon 16 Dec 13

SinnerSaint says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.
Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.
Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread

The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me

You should work for the council with your deluded optimism
He's even got a name for his world class venue. Massive tool lol
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.[/p][/quote]Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.[/p][/quote]Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me You should work for the council with your deluded optimism[/p][/quote]He's even got a name for his world class venue. Massive tool lol SinnerSaint

2:43pm Mon 16 Dec 13

MaxBFD says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
"Having lived down south for a few years".... "and having lived in Bradford all my life".

Come on then, which is it?!!
Going to uni down south and returning home during holiday periods. So both!
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: "Having lived down south for a few years".... "and having lived in Bradford all my life". Come on then, which is it?!![/p][/quote]Going to uni down south and returning home during holiday periods. So both! MaxBFD

7:35pm Mon 16 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
I'll have go at some points. Yep , serious street drinking was going on, bottom of Ivegate at 11am last Friday morning, every time I go it's there, yet I've never seen it once in Leeds. "seen" is the point, I am sure it must go on somewhere, but obviously it's not tolerated in a highly visible central position. It's not a difficult problem to solve but it's right there, 100m from City Hall!

I think the pro-mall folk just want it built then they can say "I told you so". Of course 5 years later with a dead centre, a 3rd rate mall and Bradford's one off opportunity gone forever, some will be able to say "We told you what would happen".

Of course removing a gazebo from a grassy knoll outside of the initial construction area is not "clearing the site", it just means that Bradford has now 1 Gazebos and a bench less:-) Is the T&A taking the mick again, or, it is making a statement & trying to up pressure on Westfield? Who knows, either won't wash anyway.

Parking at Forster Sq is an excellent facility, if it was not there then I'd never go to Bradford. I think (but am not sure) the council was responsible for ensuring long term free parking when it sold the land. Good. But it's is busy at popular times as it is the default car park for the whole centre as a look at the footfall in the FS shops, when the car park is full, proves, so I don't think it could help a mall much.

But the important thing is retailers, I very rarely go to the White Rose but if I had to pay for parking at Westfield, then the attractions have got to be the same or at least comparable because we are talking about a difference of a couple of quid, 20 miles in fuel and free parking or 3+ hours paid parking.

So far, Westfield is offering Bradford's WR shoppers only Debenhams as store we don't already have, nothing else. A WR shopper is not going to forsake the below to save £2 on a day's shopping, let's be sensible............

.....

http://www.white-ros

e.co.uk/shops
Surely there is plenty of drinking in Leeds on the streets in the city centre, not sure what you mean by not tolerated over there, pure fantasy, football hooligans are rife, street fights and riots in Leeds City station...come on pl get a grip, you can find this stuff unfortunately in every major city and town in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I'll have go at some points. Yep , serious street drinking was going on, bottom of Ivegate at 11am last Friday morning, every time I go it's there, yet I've never seen it once in Leeds. "seen" is the point, I am sure it must go on somewhere, but obviously it's not tolerated in a highly visible central position. It's not a difficult problem to solve but it's right there, 100m from City Hall! I think the pro-mall folk just want it built then they can say "I told you so". Of course 5 years later with a dead centre, a 3rd rate mall and Bradford's one off opportunity gone forever, some will be able to say "We told you what would happen". Of course removing a gazebo from a grassy knoll outside of the initial construction area is not "clearing the site", it just means that Bradford has now 1 Gazebos and a bench less:-) Is the T&A taking the mick again, or, it is making a statement & trying to up pressure on Westfield? Who knows, either won't wash anyway. Parking at Forster Sq is an excellent facility, if it was not there then I'd never go to Bradford. I think (but am not sure) the council was responsible for ensuring long term free parking when it sold the land. Good. But it's is busy at popular times as it is the default car park for the whole centre as a look at the footfall in the FS shops, when the car park is full, proves, so I don't think it could help a mall much. But the important thing is retailers, I very rarely go to the White Rose but if I had to pay for parking at Westfield, then the attractions have got to be the same or at least comparable because we are talking about a difference of a couple of quid, 20 miles in fuel and free parking or 3+ hours paid parking. So far, Westfield is offering Bradford's WR shoppers only Debenhams as store we don't already have, nothing else. A WR shopper is not going to forsake the below to save £2 on a day's shopping, let's be sensible............ ..... http://www.white-ros e.co.uk/shops[/p][/quote]Surely there is plenty of drinking in Leeds on the streets in the city centre, not sure what you mean by not tolerated over there, pure fantasy, football hooligans are rife, street fights and riots in Leeds City station...come on pl get a grip, you can find this stuff unfortunately in every major city and town in the UK. bcfc1903

7:43pm Mon 16 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.
Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.
Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread

The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me

You should work for the council with your deluded optimism
You're too modest, you obviously underestimate your own prowess in comedy post stakes!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.[/p][/quote]Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.[/p][/quote]Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me You should work for the council with your deluded optimism[/p][/quote]You're too modest, you obviously underestimate your own prowess in comedy post stakes! bcfc1903

7:43pm Mon 16 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.
Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.
Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread

The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me

You should work for the council with your deluded optimism
You're too modest, you obviously underestimate your own prowess in comedy post stakes!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.[/p][/quote]Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.[/p][/quote]Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me You should work for the council with your deluded optimism[/p][/quote]You're too modest, you obviously underestimate your own prowess in comedy post stakes! bcfc1903

7:55pm Mon 16 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.
Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.
Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread

The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me

You should work for the council with your deluded optimism
Meanwhile Leeds have reported since Trinity was built they have had a 30% increase in footfall this Xmas so far and last night hosted Sports Personality of the Year with Status Quo, Wet Wet Wet, Andre Rieu, JLS and World Championship Boxing all to come this year

Whats going on at City Park again? Worlds biggest Onion Bhaji contest?
Hmmm, answering your own posts, Loved BCFC's snippet in last night spoty at the la, those BCFC flags, simply breathtaking........
.. those artists are fine that you printed but they wont fill half that arena not even if you give tickets away, now if they played at a refurbished world class concert and conference centre in Bradford with say 3,500/4,000 capacity hypothetically they would be more likely to fill it....... the lass who sings achy breaky heart might fill the la. There's nothing wrong with an onion bhaji, even a large one, more sense will be forthcoming from that inanimate object than ever comes from your keypad.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.[/p][/quote]Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.[/p][/quote]Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me You should work for the council with your deluded optimism[/p][/quote]Meanwhile Leeds have reported since Trinity was built they have had a 30% increase in footfall this Xmas so far and last night hosted Sports Personality of the Year with Status Quo, Wet Wet Wet, Andre Rieu, JLS and World Championship Boxing all to come this year Whats going on at City Park again? Worlds biggest Onion Bhaji contest?[/p][/quote]Hmmm, answering your own posts, Loved BCFC's snippet in last night spoty at the la, those BCFC flags, simply breathtaking........ .. those artists are fine that you printed but they wont fill half that arena not even if you give tickets away, now if they played at a refurbished world class concert and conference centre in Bradford with say 3,500/4,000 capacity hypothetically they would be more likely to fill it....... the lass who sings achy breaky heart might fill the la. There's nothing wrong with an onion bhaji, even a large one, more sense will be forthcoming from that inanimate object than ever comes from your keypad. bcfc1903

7:59pm Mon 16 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.
Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.
Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread

The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me

You should work for the council with your deluded optimism
He's even got a name for his world class venue. Massive tool lol
No it's not called massive tool, my idea would be to call it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe as a classy tip hat to the old German community. Talking of tools, i'm sure your a small tool!
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.[/p][/quote]Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.[/p][/quote]Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me You should work for the council with your deluded optimism[/p][/quote]He's even got a name for his world class venue. Massive tool lol[/p][/quote]No it's not called massive tool, my idea would be to call it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe as a classy tip hat to the old German community. Talking of tools, i'm sure your a small tool! bcfc1903

8:28pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it.

But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you?

You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem
I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it. But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you? You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem Pondlover

9:21pm Mon 16 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

shikran wrote:
wingerman11 wrote:
In the above "non-story" it states the Council removed a gazebo and some benches. Hardly a team of Westfield people doing loads of work is it?
I reckon Westfield are going to use White Rose as yet another excuse for delaying or cancelling the thing altogether.
White Rose expansion shouldn't make any difference to Broadway, as its mainly a new cinema and increased eating areas, only retail increase is larger Debenhams and Primark stores.
But if they don't use White Rose as an excuse, what possible other reason can they five for not starting it? cant use recession any more can they?
Let's consult the excuse rolodex shall we

High winds, Cold weather, Too much snow, The wrong type of snow, Ill health, Trade disputes, Planning disputes, Planning errors, Job costing inaccuracies, Material shortages, Liquidation of a subcontractor, Press intrusion, Rare archeological find, Greenpeace protest, Vandalism, Squatters, Strike action, Wrong colour hardhats, Late withdrawal of finance, Late withdrawal of prospective tenants, Administrative error, Problems on another site, Site vehicle breakdown, Immovable gazebo on site, Injury caused by Gazebo collapse.
I think you have forgotten a few more …..wrong HSE forms completed, out of date HSE forms, replacement forms as the triple copy version has been lost, new compliant HSE plan, unsafe rain fall, too hot, too cold; unbalanced gender / sexual work force, insufficient safety notices, wrong fire fighting equipment, dirty / dusty working conditions, strike as productivity bonus not been paid…….the modern working environment is full of options. Or they may just not want to start.
[quote][p][bold]shikran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wingerman11[/bold] wrote: In the above "non-story" it states the Council removed a gazebo and some benches. Hardly a team of Westfield people doing loads of work is it? I reckon Westfield are going to use White Rose as yet another excuse for delaying or cancelling the thing altogether. White Rose expansion shouldn't make any difference to Broadway, as its mainly a new cinema and increased eating areas, only retail increase is larger Debenhams and Primark stores. But if they don't use White Rose as an excuse, what possible other reason can they five for not starting it? cant use recession any more can they?[/p][/quote]Let's consult the excuse rolodex shall we High winds, Cold weather, Too much snow, The wrong type of snow, Ill health, Trade disputes, Planning disputes, Planning errors, Job costing inaccuracies, Material shortages, Liquidation of a subcontractor, Press intrusion, Rare archeological find, Greenpeace protest, Vandalism, Squatters, Strike action, Wrong colour hardhats, Late withdrawal of finance, Late withdrawal of prospective tenants, Administrative error, Problems on another site, Site vehicle breakdown, Immovable gazebo on site, Injury caused by Gazebo collapse.[/p][/quote]I think you have forgotten a few more …..wrong HSE forms completed, out of date HSE forms, replacement forms as the triple copy version has been lost, new compliant HSE plan, unsafe rain fall, too hot, too cold; unbalanced gender / sexual work force, insufficient safety notices, wrong fire fighting equipment, dirty / dusty working conditions, strike as productivity bonus not been paid…….the modern working environment is full of options. Or they may just not want to start. ade_splat

9:23pm Mon 16 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?
I think they are from a hot snack franchise setting up for the waves of workers who will arrive "soon".
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?[/p][/quote]I think they are from a hot snack franchise setting up for the waves of workers who will arrive "soon". ade_splat

9:26pm Mon 16 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

Now I know that old chestnut question of how many council workers are required to take down a gazebo. I guess I should also factor in the 5 HSE staff, 3 pen pushers to raise all of the paperwork, 2 spin doctors, Union rep, and the camera person….15 sounds good I had originally thought it would be a lot more.
Now I know that old chestnut question of how many council workers are required to take down a gazebo. I guess I should also factor in the 5 HSE staff, 3 pen pushers to raise all of the paperwork, 2 spin doctors, Union rep, and the camera person….15 sounds good I had originally thought it would be a lot more. ade_splat

11:53pm Mon 16 Dec 13

basil fawlty says...

Wow about 75 comments on a minor story! Just saying....
Wow about 75 comments on a minor story! Just saying.... basil fawlty

7:48am Tue 17 Dec 13

SinnerSaint says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.
Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.
Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread

The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me

You should work for the council with your deluded optimism
He's even got a name for his world class venue. Massive tool lol
No it's not called massive tool, my idea would be to call it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe as a classy tip hat to the old German community. Talking of tools, i'm sure your a small tool!
"Classy"? Lol!
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.[/p][/quote]Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.[/p][/quote]Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me You should work for the council with your deluded optimism[/p][/quote]He's even got a name for his world class venue. Massive tool lol[/p][/quote]No it's not called massive tool, my idea would be to call it the Delius, Rothenstein and Wolfe as a classy tip hat to the old German community. Talking of tools, i'm sure your a small tool![/p][/quote]"Classy"? Lol! SinnerSaint

8:47am Tue 17 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.
Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.
Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread

The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me

You should work for the council with your deluded optimism
Meanwhile Leeds have reported since Trinity was built they have had a 30% increase in footfall this Xmas so far and last night hosted Sports Personality of the Year with Status Quo, Wet Wet Wet, Andre Rieu, JLS and World Championship Boxing all to come this year

Whats going on at City Park again? Worlds biggest Onion Bhaji contest?
Hmmm, answering your own posts, Loved BCFC's snippet in last night spoty at the la, those BCFC flags, simply breathtaking........

.. those artists are fine that you printed but they wont fill half that arena not even if you give tickets away, now if they played at a refurbished world class concert and conference centre in Bradford with say 3,500/4,000 capacity hypothetically they would be more likely to fill it....... the lass who sings achy breaky heart might fill the la. There's nothing wrong with an onion bhaji, even a large one, more sense will be forthcoming from that inanimate object than ever comes from your keypad.
Them "artists" I mentioned all sold out the arena
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.[/p][/quote]Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.[/p][/quote]Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me You should work for the council with your deluded optimism[/p][/quote]Meanwhile Leeds have reported since Trinity was built they have had a 30% increase in footfall this Xmas so far and last night hosted Sports Personality of the Year with Status Quo, Wet Wet Wet, Andre Rieu, JLS and World Championship Boxing all to come this year Whats going on at City Park again? Worlds biggest Onion Bhaji contest?[/p][/quote]Hmmm, answering your own posts, Loved BCFC's snippet in last night spoty at the la, those BCFC flags, simply breathtaking........ .. those artists are fine that you printed but they wont fill half that arena not even if you give tickets away, now if they played at a refurbished world class concert and conference centre in Bradford with say 3,500/4,000 capacity hypothetically they would be more likely to fill it....... the lass who sings achy breaky heart might fill the la. There's nothing wrong with an onion bhaji, even a large one, more sense will be forthcoming from that inanimate object than ever comes from your keypad.[/p][/quote]Them "artists" I mentioned all sold out the arena Andy2010

10:02am Tue 17 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
bhuna156 wrote:
I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.
Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.
Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread

The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me

You should work for the council with your deluded optimism
Meanwhile Leeds have reported since Trinity was built they have had a 30% increase in footfall this Xmas so far and last night hosted Sports Personality of the Year with Status Quo, Wet Wet Wet, Andre Rieu, JLS and World Championship Boxing all to come this year

Whats going on at City Park again? Worlds biggest Onion Bhaji contest?
Hmmm, answering your own posts, Loved BCFC's snippet in last night spoty at the la, those BCFC flags, simply breathtaking........


.. those artists are fine that you printed but they wont fill half that arena not even if you give tickets away, now if they played at a refurbished world class concert and conference centre in Bradford with say 3,500/4,000 capacity hypothetically they would be more likely to fill it....... the lass who sings achy breaky heart might fill the la. There's nothing wrong with an onion bhaji, even a large one, more sense will be forthcoming from that inanimate object than ever comes from your keypad.
Them "artists" I mentioned all sold out the arena
If true.....I'm Impressed. No doubt if an Onion Bahji (who has the biggest) competition was held in the la it would also sell out.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhuna156[/bold] wrote: I've done all my Christmas shopping in Bradford this year, got everything I needed and Bradford has been very busy indicating that opening of Trinity doesn't seem to have affected much, So I don't know why people seem to think an extension to the White Rose will.[/p][/quote]Great bhuna 156....I've done some Christmas shopping in Bradford already and next week i'll be doing the rest in Bradford along with my family. We've shopped in Bradford forever ..... we've noticed a gradual increase in folk shopping in the city centre over the last couple of years, think city park has certainly been a factor. Obviously Broadway when built will accelerate that footfall, as would a world class concert and conference centre in a refurbished Odeon building.[/p][/quote]Just LOL...thats the funniest comment all thread The only increase in footfall is the immigrants and "World Class Concert Venue"....lol deary me You should work for the council with your deluded optimism[/p][/quote]Meanwhile Leeds have reported since Trinity was built they have had a 30% increase in footfall this Xmas so far and last night hosted Sports Personality of the Year with Status Quo, Wet Wet Wet, Andre Rieu, JLS and World Championship Boxing all to come this year Whats going on at City Park again? Worlds biggest Onion Bhaji contest?[/p][/quote]Hmmm, answering your own posts, Loved BCFC's snippet in last night spoty at the la, those BCFC flags, simply breathtaking........ .. those artists are fine that you printed but they wont fill half that arena not even if you give tickets away, now if they played at a refurbished world class concert and conference centre in Bradford with say 3,500/4,000 capacity hypothetically they would be more likely to fill it....... the lass who sings achy breaky heart might fill the la. There's nothing wrong with an onion bhaji, even a large one, more sense will be forthcoming from that inanimate object than ever comes from your keypad.[/p][/quote]Them "artists" I mentioned all sold out the arena[/p][/quote]If true.....I'm Impressed. No doubt if an Onion Bahji (who has the biggest) competition was held in the la it would also sell out. bcfc1903

10:42am Tue 17 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it.

But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you?

You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem
How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it. But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you? You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem[/p][/quote]How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial. bcfc1903

11:31am Tue 17 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it.

But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you?

You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem
How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.
To say there is no difference between the people that visit Bradford compared to Leeds is quite frankly stupid

Last week I went into both cities. Quite frankly anyone more smartly dressed than a tracksuit is a rarity in Bradford city centre. I encountered people gobbing on the pavement, drunks stumbling around, was asked for change twice in half an hour and then some idiots blocking the door to a shop asking for "tax" to enter. This in all the space of half an hour. On the other hand went into Leeds and with the crowds of decent hard working people encountered none of the above (apart from a Big issue seller who was actually very nice).

It isnt the town centres which are the problem as such its the scum thats in attendance in Bradford City centre thats puts off people that have money to spend going as it is not an enjoyable experience at all. In fact you spend most of the time checking your wallet is still in your pocket.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it. But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you? You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem[/p][/quote]How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.[/p][/quote]To say there is no difference between the people that visit Bradford compared to Leeds is quite frankly stupid Last week I went into both cities. Quite frankly anyone more smartly dressed than a tracksuit is a rarity in Bradford city centre. I encountered people gobbing on the pavement, drunks stumbling around, was asked for change twice in half an hour and then some idiots blocking the door to a shop asking for "tax" to enter. This in all the space of half an hour. On the other hand went into Leeds and with the crowds of decent hard working people encountered none of the above (apart from a Big issue seller who was actually very nice). It isnt the town centres which are the problem as such its the scum thats in attendance in Bradford City centre thats puts off people that have money to spend going as it is not an enjoyable experience at all. In fact you spend most of the time checking your wallet is still in your pocket. Andy2010

12:20pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it.

But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you?

You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem
How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.
I am there in Leeds most days, have been for 25 out of the last 30 years, I have seen the transformation of Leeds from the start. In that time I have never seen lowlife street drinking in the centre, that is a gang of drunks , boozing, never. I am going to FQ in 15 mins, if I went to Ivegate I'd see it in Bradford today. It's not a generalisation, it's the truth. TBH I am not sure whether Leeds "polices" it's centre differently or, it's just that Bradford is now so downbeat, it lends itself easily to lowlife activity. Whatever, it could easily be stopped.

You have already said you don't go shopping anywhere else, as other do, they will say the same, you do not see lowlife street drinking, congregating in a centre anywhere else locally, not in Leeds, Hudders or Halifax, never mind the likes of York & H'gate. It is certainly not normal and would stand out a mile to new visitor, I can't imagine why you appear to be defending it?

Safety, I don't see Bradford being better or worse than any large provincial City, I can see no reason why it would be?
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it. But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you? You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem[/p][/quote]How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.[/p][/quote]I am there in Leeds most days, have been for 25 out of the last 30 years, I have seen the transformation of Leeds from the start. In that time I have never seen lowlife street drinking in the centre, that is a gang of drunks , boozing, never. I am going to FQ in 15 mins, if I went to Ivegate I'd see it in Bradford today. It's not a generalisation, it's the truth. TBH I am not sure whether Leeds "polices" it's centre differently or, it's just that Bradford is now so downbeat, it lends itself easily to lowlife activity. Whatever, it could easily be stopped. You have already said you don't go shopping anywhere else, as other do, they will say the same, you do not see lowlife street drinking, congregating in a centre anywhere else locally, not in Leeds, Hudders or Halifax, never mind the likes of York & H'gate. It is certainly not normal and would stand out a mile to new visitor, I can't imagine why you appear to be defending it? Safety, I don't see Bradford being better or worse than any large provincial City, I can see no reason why it would be? Pondlover

7:12pm Tue 17 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it.

But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you?

You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem
How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.
To say there is no difference between the people that visit Bradford compared to Leeds is quite frankly stupid

Last week I went into both cities. Quite frankly anyone more smartly dressed than a tracksuit is a rarity in Bradford city centre. I encountered people gobbing on the pavement, drunks stumbling around, was asked for change twice in half an hour and then some idiots blocking the door to a shop asking for "tax" to enter. This in all the space of half an hour. On the other hand went into Leeds and with the crowds of decent hard working people encountered none of the above (apart from a Big issue seller who was actually very nice).

It isnt the town centres which are the problem as such its the scum thats in attendance in Bradford City centre thats puts off people that have money to spend going as it is not an enjoyable experience at all. In fact you spend most of the time checking your wallet is still in your pocket.
What on earth are you talking about, I'm in Bradford every week and have been for years than i care to remember, your description of what you've seen doesn't ring true. There are just the same hard working Bradfordian folk frequenting Bradford city centre, this stuff you portray is so far from the truth it's actually funny. I'm sure you wouldn't want to be called scum so any unfortunate folk that have fallen on hard times deserve a better description and of course you will find those folk in all large towns and cities, not just in Leeds or Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it. But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you? You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem[/p][/quote]How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.[/p][/quote]To say there is no difference between the people that visit Bradford compared to Leeds is quite frankly stupid Last week I went into both cities. Quite frankly anyone more smartly dressed than a tracksuit is a rarity in Bradford city centre. I encountered people gobbing on the pavement, drunks stumbling around, was asked for change twice in half an hour and then some idiots blocking the door to a shop asking for "tax" to enter. This in all the space of half an hour. On the other hand went into Leeds and with the crowds of decent hard working people encountered none of the above (apart from a Big issue seller who was actually very nice). It isnt the town centres which are the problem as such its the scum thats in attendance in Bradford City centre thats puts off people that have money to spend going as it is not an enjoyable experience at all. In fact you spend most of the time checking your wallet is still in your pocket.[/p][/quote]What on earth are you talking about, I'm in Bradford every week and have been for years than i care to remember, your description of what you've seen doesn't ring true. There are just the same hard working Bradfordian folk frequenting Bradford city centre, this stuff you portray is so far from the truth it's actually funny. I'm sure you wouldn't want to be called scum so any unfortunate folk that have fallen on hard times deserve a better description and of course you will find those folk in all large towns and cities, not just in Leeds or Bradford. bcfc1903

7:37pm Tue 17 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it.

But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you?

You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem
How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.
I am there in Leeds most days, have been for 25 out of the last 30 years, I have seen the transformation of Leeds from the start. In that time I have never seen lowlife street drinking in the centre, that is a gang of drunks , boozing, never. I am going to FQ in 15 mins, if I went to Ivegate I'd see it in Bradford today. It's not a generalisation, it's the truth. TBH I am not sure whether Leeds "polices" it's centre differently or, it's just that Bradford is now so downbeat, it lends itself easily to lowlife activity. Whatever, it could easily be stopped.

You have already said you don't go shopping anywhere else, as other do, they will say the same, you do not see lowlife street drinking, congregating in a centre anywhere else locally, not in Leeds, Hudders or Halifax, never mind the likes of York & H'gate. It is certainly not normal and would stand out a mile to new visitor, I can't imagine why you appear to be defending it?

Safety, I don't see Bradford being better or worse than any large provincial City, I can see no reason why it would be?
I take it you haven't been in Leeds when United are playing, some of their 'fans' love a drink and a riot. You could always guarantee a good football row when BCFC hit town, funny how you missed all of that 'low life'. Not in Leeds, Halifax or Hudds, such sweeping statements but based on nothing more than hot air. Obviously unlike you and your god like tendancies, i can only speak for my own and family's experiences, we find Bradford an excellent shopping experience, laid back and very cost effective. If you want decent quality at value for money prices then without doubt Bradford city centre is the place to shop, it's not rocket science. Bradford city centre is very safe, we've shopped there for donkey's years and never had a problem, yet my son had his car broken into when shopping in Leeds and he paid for that dubious pleasure. You paint a picture of Bradford city centre that just doesn't ring true in our experience, i suppose if you look for it you can find fault with anything and believe this is the case with your 'observations'.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it. But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you? You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem[/p][/quote]How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.[/p][/quote]I am there in Leeds most days, have been for 25 out of the last 30 years, I have seen the transformation of Leeds from the start. In that time I have never seen lowlife street drinking in the centre, that is a gang of drunks , boozing, never. I am going to FQ in 15 mins, if I went to Ivegate I'd see it in Bradford today. It's not a generalisation, it's the truth. TBH I am not sure whether Leeds "polices" it's centre differently or, it's just that Bradford is now so downbeat, it lends itself easily to lowlife activity. Whatever, it could easily be stopped. You have already said you don't go shopping anywhere else, as other do, they will say the same, you do not see lowlife street drinking, congregating in a centre anywhere else locally, not in Leeds, Hudders or Halifax, never mind the likes of York & H'gate. It is certainly not normal and would stand out a mile to new visitor, I can't imagine why you appear to be defending it? Safety, I don't see Bradford being better or worse than any large provincial City, I can see no reason why it would be?[/p][/quote]I take it you haven't been in Leeds when United are playing, some of their 'fans' love a drink and a riot. You could always guarantee a good football row when BCFC hit town, funny how you missed all of that 'low life'. Not in Leeds, Halifax or Hudds, such sweeping statements but based on nothing more than hot air. Obviously unlike you and your god like tendancies, i can only speak for my own and family's experiences, we find Bradford an excellent shopping experience, laid back and very cost effective. If you want decent quality at value for money prices then without doubt Bradford city centre is the place to shop, it's not rocket science. Bradford city centre is very safe, we've shopped there for donkey's years and never had a problem, yet my son had his car broken into when shopping in Leeds and he paid for that dubious pleasure. You paint a picture of Bradford city centre that just doesn't ring true in our experience, i suppose if you look for it you can find fault with anything and believe this is the case with your 'observations'. bcfc1903

8:12pm Tue 17 Dec 13

collos25 says...

You really should see an optician .
You really should see an optician . collos25

8:44pm Tue 17 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

collos25 wrote:
You really should see an optician .
Thanks for the visionless info....
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: You really should see an optician .[/p][/quote]Thanks for the visionless info.... bcfc1903

9:38pm Tue 17 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

basil fawlty wrote:
Wow about 75 comments on a minor story! Just saying....
not much allowed to comment on. Minor crash on Motorway or this….
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: Wow about 75 comments on a minor story! Just saying....[/p][/quote]not much allowed to comment on. Minor crash on Motorway or this…. ade_splat

6:46am Wed 18 Dec 13

SinnerSaint says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it.

But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you?

You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem
How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.
I am there in Leeds most days, have been for 25 out of the last 30 years, I have seen the transformation of Leeds from the start. In that time I have never seen lowlife street drinking in the centre, that is a gang of drunks , boozing, never. I am going to FQ in 15 mins, if I went to Ivegate I'd see it in Bradford today. It's not a generalisation, it's the truth. TBH I am not sure whether Leeds "polices" it's centre differently or, it's just that Bradford is now so downbeat, it lends itself easily to lowlife activity. Whatever, it could easily be stopped.

You have already said you don't go shopping anywhere else, as other do, they will say the same, you do not see lowlife street drinking, congregating in a centre anywhere else locally, not in Leeds, Hudders or Halifax, never mind the likes of York & H'gate. It is certainly not normal and would stand out a mile to new visitor, I can't imagine why you appear to be defending it?

Safety, I don't see Bradford being better or worse than any large provincial City, I can see no reason why it would be?
I take it you haven't been in Leeds when United are playing, some of their 'fans' love a drink and a riot. You could always guarantee a good football row when BCFC hit town, funny how you missed all of that 'low life'. Not in Leeds, Halifax or Hudds, such sweeping statements but based on nothing more than hot air. Obviously unlike you and your god like tendancies, i can only speak for my own and family's experiences, we find Bradford an excellent shopping experience, laid back and very cost effective. If you want decent quality at value for money prices then without doubt Bradford city centre is the place to shop, it's not rocket science. Bradford city centre is very safe, we've shopped there for donkey's years and never had a problem, yet my son had his car broken into when shopping in Leeds and he paid for that dubious pleasure. You paint a picture of Bradford city centre that just doesn't ring true in our experience, i suppose if you look for it you can find fault with anything and believe this is the case with your 'observations'.
Basically what you're saying is that you're as happy as a pig in sh**.

Don't expect others to be as happy as you, we're not all pigs.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it. But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you? You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem[/p][/quote]How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.[/p][/quote]I am there in Leeds most days, have been for 25 out of the last 30 years, I have seen the transformation of Leeds from the start. In that time I have never seen lowlife street drinking in the centre, that is a gang of drunks , boozing, never. I am going to FQ in 15 mins, if I went to Ivegate I'd see it in Bradford today. It's not a generalisation, it's the truth. TBH I am not sure whether Leeds "polices" it's centre differently or, it's just that Bradford is now so downbeat, it lends itself easily to lowlife activity. Whatever, it could easily be stopped. You have already said you don't go shopping anywhere else, as other do, they will say the same, you do not see lowlife street drinking, congregating in a centre anywhere else locally, not in Leeds, Hudders or Halifax, never mind the likes of York & H'gate. It is certainly not normal and would stand out a mile to new visitor, I can't imagine why you appear to be defending it? Safety, I don't see Bradford being better or worse than any large provincial City, I can see no reason why it would be?[/p][/quote]I take it you haven't been in Leeds when United are playing, some of their 'fans' love a drink and a riot. You could always guarantee a good football row when BCFC hit town, funny how you missed all of that 'low life'. Not in Leeds, Halifax or Hudds, such sweeping statements but based on nothing more than hot air. Obviously unlike you and your god like tendancies, i can only speak for my own and family's experiences, we find Bradford an excellent shopping experience, laid back and very cost effective. If you want decent quality at value for money prices then without doubt Bradford city centre is the place to shop, it's not rocket science. Bradford city centre is very safe, we've shopped there for donkey's years and never had a problem, yet my son had his car broken into when shopping in Leeds and he paid for that dubious pleasure. You paint a picture of Bradford city centre that just doesn't ring true in our experience, i suppose if you look for it you can find fault with anything and believe this is the case with your 'observations'.[/p][/quote]Basically what you're saying is that you're as happy as a pig in sh**. Don't expect others to be as happy as you, we're not all pigs. SinnerSaint

8:02am Wed 18 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it.

But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you?

You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem
How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.
I am there in Leeds most days, have been for 25 out of the last 30 years, I have seen the transformation of Leeds from the start. In that time I have never seen lowlife street drinking in the centre, that is a gang of drunks , boozing, never. I am going to FQ in 15 mins, if I went to Ivegate I'd see it in Bradford today. It's not a generalisation, it's the truth. TBH I am not sure whether Leeds "polices" it's centre differently or, it's just that Bradford is now so downbeat, it lends itself easily to lowlife activity. Whatever, it could easily be stopped.

You have already said you don't go shopping anywhere else, as other do, they will say the same, you do not see lowlife street drinking, congregating in a centre anywhere else locally, not in Leeds, Hudders or Halifax, never mind the likes of York & H'gate. It is certainly not normal and would stand out a mile to new visitor, I can't imagine why you appear to be defending it?

Safety, I don't see Bradford being better or worse than any large provincial City, I can see no reason why it would be?
I take it you haven't been in Leeds when United are playing, some of their 'fans' love a drink and a riot. You could always guarantee a good football row when BCFC hit town, funny how you missed all of that 'low life'. Not in Leeds, Halifax or Hudds, such sweeping statements but based on nothing more than hot air. Obviously unlike you and your god like tendancies, i can only speak for my own and family's experiences, we find Bradford an excellent shopping experience, laid back and very cost effective. If you want decent quality at value for money prices then without doubt Bradford city centre is the place to shop, it's not rocket science. Bradford city centre is very safe, we've shopped there for donkey's years and never had a problem, yet my son had his car broken into when shopping in Leeds and he paid for that dubious pleasure. You paint a picture of Bradford city centre that just doesn't ring true in our experience, i suppose if you look for it you can find fault with anything and believe this is the case with your 'observations'.
I have no idea why you have now brought football into it, anyway, you are wrong again. There is no difference in the Saturday lunchtime ambience in Leeds whether the club is at home or not. Why should there be? The grounds is 2 miles away and Government stats show that per % of crowd Bradford City has more banning orders and arrests than Leeds United.

Bradford is safe to shop but so is everywhere I've never had anything happen to me in Bradford, I've had a motorbike stolen in Manchester and phone in Seville, however, I don't equate those places with danger! , What's your point?

I am not painting a picture but telling the truth, and if you ask me, I will go an take a picture for you (and provide a link on here) on a day that you request. Street drinking by lowlife congregating together happens every day in a highly visible IN BRADfORD not in any other local cities or large towns. We know we go there, you are guessing, you don',t and the problem you have is that due to your absolute insularity you actually Bradford's ailments are"normal", get about a bit and you will see, in fact, that locally, they are unique to Bradford.

As ever, ignoring and refusing to accept problems is 100% not helpful.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it. But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you? You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem[/p][/quote]How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.[/p][/quote]I am there in Leeds most days, have been for 25 out of the last 30 years, I have seen the transformation of Leeds from the start. In that time I have never seen lowlife street drinking in the centre, that is a gang of drunks , boozing, never. I am going to FQ in 15 mins, if I went to Ivegate I'd see it in Bradford today. It's not a generalisation, it's the truth. TBH I am not sure whether Leeds "polices" it's centre differently or, it's just that Bradford is now so downbeat, it lends itself easily to lowlife activity. Whatever, it could easily be stopped. You have already said you don't go shopping anywhere else, as other do, they will say the same, you do not see lowlife street drinking, congregating in a centre anywhere else locally, not in Leeds, Hudders or Halifax, never mind the likes of York & H'gate. It is certainly not normal and would stand out a mile to new visitor, I can't imagine why you appear to be defending it? Safety, I don't see Bradford being better or worse than any large provincial City, I can see no reason why it would be?[/p][/quote]I take it you haven't been in Leeds when United are playing, some of their 'fans' love a drink and a riot. You could always guarantee a good football row when BCFC hit town, funny how you missed all of that 'low life'. Not in Leeds, Halifax or Hudds, such sweeping statements but based on nothing more than hot air. Obviously unlike you and your god like tendancies, i can only speak for my own and family's experiences, we find Bradford an excellent shopping experience, laid back and very cost effective. If you want decent quality at value for money prices then without doubt Bradford city centre is the place to shop, it's not rocket science. Bradford city centre is very safe, we've shopped there for donkey's years and never had a problem, yet my son had his car broken into when shopping in Leeds and he paid for that dubious pleasure. You paint a picture of Bradford city centre that just doesn't ring true in our experience, i suppose if you look for it you can find fault with anything and believe this is the case with your 'observations'.[/p][/quote]I have no idea why you have now brought football into it, anyway, you are wrong again. There is no difference in the Saturday lunchtime ambience in Leeds whether the club is at home or not. Why should there be? The grounds is 2 miles away and Government stats show that per % of crowd Bradford City has more banning orders and arrests than Leeds United. Bradford is safe to shop but so is everywhere I've never had anything happen to me in Bradford, I've had a motorbike stolen in Manchester and phone in Seville, however, I don't equate those places with danger! , What's your point? I am not painting a picture but telling the truth, and if you ask me, I will go an take a picture for you (and provide a link on here) on a day that you request. Street drinking by lowlife congregating together happens every day in a highly visible IN BRADfORD not in any other local cities or large towns. We know we go there, you are guessing, you don',t and the problem you have is that due to your absolute insularity you actually Bradford's ailments are"normal", get about a bit and you will see, in fact, that locally, they are unique to Bradford. As ever, ignoring and refusing to accept problems is 100% not helpful. Pondlover

4:36pm Wed 18 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it.

But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you?

You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem
How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.
I am there in Leeds most days, have been for 25 out of the last 30 years, I have seen the transformation of Leeds from the start. In that time I have never seen lowlife street drinking in the centre, that is a gang of drunks , boozing, never. I am going to FQ in 15 mins, if I went to Ivegate I'd see it in Bradford today. It's not a generalisation, it's the truth. TBH I am not sure whether Leeds "polices" it's centre differently or, it's just that Bradford is now so downbeat, it lends itself easily to lowlife activity. Whatever, it could easily be stopped.

You have already said you don't go shopping anywhere else, as other do, they will say the same, you do not see lowlife street drinking, congregating in a centre anywhere else locally, not in Leeds, Hudders or Halifax, never mind the likes of York & H'gate. It is certainly not normal and would stand out a mile to new visitor, I can't imagine why you appear to be defending it?

Safety, I don't see Bradford being better or worse than any large provincial City, I can see no reason why it would be?
I take it you haven't been in Leeds when United are playing, some of their 'fans' love a drink and a riot. You could always guarantee a good football row when BCFC hit town, funny how you missed all of that 'low life'. Not in Leeds, Halifax or Hudds, such sweeping statements but based on nothing more than hot air. Obviously unlike you and your god like tendancies, i can only speak for my own and family's experiences, we find Bradford an excellent shopping experience, laid back and very cost effective. If you want decent quality at value for money prices then without doubt Bradford city centre is the place to shop, it's not rocket science. Bradford city centre is very safe, we've shopped there for donkey's years and never had a problem, yet my son had his car broken into when shopping in Leeds and he paid for that dubious pleasure. You paint a picture of Bradford city centre that just doesn't ring true in our experience, i suppose if you look for it you can find fault with anything and believe this is the case with your 'observations'.
Basically what you're saying is that you're as happy as a pig in sh**.

Don't expect others to be as happy as you, we're not all pigs.
That's not the impression i get ...oink oink
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it. But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you? You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem[/p][/quote]How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.[/p][/quote]I am there in Leeds most days, have been for 25 out of the last 30 years, I have seen the transformation of Leeds from the start. In that time I have never seen lowlife street drinking in the centre, that is a gang of drunks , boozing, never. I am going to FQ in 15 mins, if I went to Ivegate I'd see it in Bradford today. It's not a generalisation, it's the truth. TBH I am not sure whether Leeds "polices" it's centre differently or, it's just that Bradford is now so downbeat, it lends itself easily to lowlife activity. Whatever, it could easily be stopped. You have already said you don't go shopping anywhere else, as other do, they will say the same, you do not see lowlife street drinking, congregating in a centre anywhere else locally, not in Leeds, Hudders or Halifax, never mind the likes of York & H'gate. It is certainly not normal and would stand out a mile to new visitor, I can't imagine why you appear to be defending it? Safety, I don't see Bradford being better or worse than any large provincial City, I can see no reason why it would be?[/p][/quote]I take it you haven't been in Leeds when United are playing, some of their 'fans' love a drink and a riot. You could always guarantee a good football row when BCFC hit town, funny how you missed all of that 'low life'. Not in Leeds, Halifax or Hudds, such sweeping statements but based on nothing more than hot air. Obviously unlike you and your god like tendancies, i can only speak for my own and family's experiences, we find Bradford an excellent shopping experience, laid back and very cost effective. If you want decent quality at value for money prices then without doubt Bradford city centre is the place to shop, it's not rocket science. Bradford city centre is very safe, we've shopped there for donkey's years and never had a problem, yet my son had his car broken into when shopping in Leeds and he paid for that dubious pleasure. You paint a picture of Bradford city centre that just doesn't ring true in our experience, i suppose if you look for it you can find fault with anything and believe this is the case with your 'observations'.[/p][/quote]Basically what you're saying is that you're as happy as a pig in sh**. Don't expect others to be as happy as you, we're not all pigs.[/p][/quote]That's not the impression i get ...oink oink bcfc1903

5:21pm Wed 18 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it.

But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you?

You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem
How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.
I am there in Leeds most days, have been for 25 out of the last 30 years, I have seen the transformation of Leeds from the start. In that time I have never seen lowlife street drinking in the centre, that is a gang of drunks , boozing, never. I am going to FQ in 15 mins, if I went to Ivegate I'd see it in Bradford today. It's not a generalisation, it's the truth. TBH I am not sure whether Leeds "polices" it's centre differently or, it's just that Bradford is now so downbeat, it lends itself easily to lowlife activity. Whatever, it could easily be stopped.

You have already said you don't go shopping anywhere else, as other do, they will say the same, you do not see lowlife street drinking, congregating in a centre anywhere else locally, not in Leeds, Hudders or Halifax, never mind the likes of York & H'gate. It is certainly not normal and would stand out a mile to new visitor, I can't imagine why you appear to be defending it?

Safety, I don't see Bradford being better or worse than any large provincial City, I can see no reason why it would be?
I take it you haven't been in Leeds when United are playing, some of their 'fans' love a drink and a riot. You could always guarantee a good football row when BCFC hit town, funny how you missed all of that 'low life'. Not in Leeds, Halifax or Hudds, such sweeping statements but based on nothing more than hot air. Obviously unlike you and your god like tendancies, i can only speak for my own and family's experiences, we find Bradford an excellent shopping experience, laid back and very cost effective. If you want decent quality at value for money prices then without doubt Bradford city centre is the place to shop, it's not rocket science. Bradford city centre is very safe, we've shopped there for donkey's years and never had a problem, yet my son had his car broken into when shopping in Leeds and he paid for that dubious pleasure. You paint a picture of Bradford city centre that just doesn't ring true in our experience, i suppose if you look for it you can find fault with anything and believe this is the case with your 'observations'.
I have no idea why you have now brought football into it, anyway, you are wrong again. There is no difference in the Saturday lunchtime ambience in Leeds whether the club is at home or not. Why should there be? The grounds is 2 miles away and Government stats show that per % of crowd Bradford City has more banning orders and arrests than Leeds United.

Bradford is safe to shop but so is everywhere I've never had anything happen to me in Bradford, I've had a motorbike stolen in Manchester and phone in Seville, however, I don't equate those places with danger! , What's your point?

I am not painting a picture but telling the truth, and if you ask me, I will go an take a picture for you (and provide a link on here) on a day that you request. Street drinking by lowlife congregating together happens every day in a highly visible IN BRADfORD not in any other local cities or large towns. We know we go there, you are guessing, you don',t and the problem you have is that due to your absolute insularity you actually Bradford's ailments are"normal", get about a bit and you will see, in fact, that locally, they are unique to Bradford.

As ever, ignoring and refusing to accept problems is 100% not helpful.
You are right regarding football thugs and BCFC...we have a hard core of nutters who man for man probably have the edge over LUFC 's service crew. Leeds is a haven for football nutters, they frequent city centre pubs, obviously you don't have a clue regarding LUFC and football violence they go hand in hand as do ducks in ponds and rucks in leeds city centre, the railway station ect, that violence has been rife and has been a leeds city centre problem for years . I take your guide dog is well fed. You don't equate Manchester or Leeds with violence, my point is they are far more violent places, street drinking goes on everywhere try opening your eyes, day night whenever, there is serious street drinking by groups in all major cities and towns in the UK, see any real life police programme, binge drinking a UK wide problem . I've never had any problems shopping in Bradford city centre, just seen folk drinking outside pubs in summer and the odd guy sat around having a can. Your point of view is baseless and sinks without trace as usual.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it. But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you? You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem[/p][/quote]How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.[/p][/quote]I am there in Leeds most days, have been for 25 out of the last 30 years, I have seen the transformation of Leeds from the start. In that time I have never seen lowlife street drinking in the centre, that is a gang of drunks , boozing, never. I am going to FQ in 15 mins, if I went to Ivegate I'd see it in Bradford today. It's not a generalisation, it's the truth. TBH I am not sure whether Leeds "polices" it's centre differently or, it's just that Bradford is now so downbeat, it lends itself easily to lowlife activity. Whatever, it could easily be stopped. You have already said you don't go shopping anywhere else, as other do, they will say the same, you do not see lowlife street drinking, congregating in a centre anywhere else locally, not in Leeds, Hudders or Halifax, never mind the likes of York & H'gate. It is certainly not normal and would stand out a mile to new visitor, I can't imagine why you appear to be defending it? Safety, I don't see Bradford being better or worse than any large provincial City, I can see no reason why it would be?[/p][/quote]I take it you haven't been in Leeds when United are playing, some of their 'fans' love a drink and a riot. You could always guarantee a good football row when BCFC hit town, funny how you missed all of that 'low life'. Not in Leeds, Halifax or Hudds, such sweeping statements but based on nothing more than hot air. Obviously unlike you and your god like tendancies, i can only speak for my own and family's experiences, we find Bradford an excellent shopping experience, laid back and very cost effective. If you want decent quality at value for money prices then without doubt Bradford city centre is the place to shop, it's not rocket science. Bradford city centre is very safe, we've shopped there for donkey's years and never had a problem, yet my son had his car broken into when shopping in Leeds and he paid for that dubious pleasure. You paint a picture of Bradford city centre that just doesn't ring true in our experience, i suppose if you look for it you can find fault with anything and believe this is the case with your 'observations'.[/p][/quote]I have no idea why you have now brought football into it, anyway, you are wrong again. There is no difference in the Saturday lunchtime ambience in Leeds whether the club is at home or not. Why should there be? The grounds is 2 miles away and Government stats show that per % of crowd Bradford City has more banning orders and arrests than Leeds United. Bradford is safe to shop but so is everywhere I've never had anything happen to me in Bradford, I've had a motorbike stolen in Manchester and phone in Seville, however, I don't equate those places with danger! , What's your point? I am not painting a picture but telling the truth, and if you ask me, I will go an take a picture for you (and provide a link on here) on a day that you request. Street drinking by lowlife congregating together happens every day in a highly visible IN BRADfORD not in any other local cities or large towns. We know we go there, you are guessing, you don',t and the problem you have is that due to your absolute insularity you actually Bradford's ailments are"normal", get about a bit and you will see, in fact, that locally, they are unique to Bradford. As ever, ignoring and refusing to accept problems is 100% not helpful.[/p][/quote]You are right regarding football thugs and BCFC...we have a hard core of nutters who man for man probably have the edge over LUFC 's service crew. Leeds is a haven for football nutters, they frequent city centre pubs, obviously you don't have a clue regarding LUFC and football violence they go hand in hand as do ducks in ponds and rucks in leeds city centre, the railway station ect, that violence has been rife and has been a leeds city centre problem for years . I take your guide dog is well fed. You don't equate Manchester or Leeds with violence, my point is they are far more violent places, street drinking goes on everywhere try opening your eyes, day night whenever, there is serious street drinking by groups in all major cities and towns in the UK, see any real life police programme, binge drinking a UK wide problem . I've never had any problems shopping in Bradford city centre, just seen folk drinking outside pubs in summer and the odd guy sat around having a can. Your point of view is baseless and sinks without trace as usual. bcfc1903

5:21pm Wed 18 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Pondlover wrote:
I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it.

But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you?

You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem
How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.
I am there in Leeds most days, have been for 25 out of the last 30 years, I have seen the transformation of Leeds from the start. In that time I have never seen lowlife street drinking in the centre, that is a gang of drunks , boozing, never. I am going to FQ in 15 mins, if I went to Ivegate I'd see it in Bradford today. It's not a generalisation, it's the truth. TBH I am not sure whether Leeds "polices" it's centre differently or, it's just that Bradford is now so downbeat, it lends itself easily to lowlife activity. Whatever, it could easily be stopped.

You have already said you don't go shopping anywhere else, as other do, they will say the same, you do not see lowlife street drinking, congregating in a centre anywhere else locally, not in Leeds, Hudders or Halifax, never mind the likes of York & H'gate. It is certainly not normal and would stand out a mile to new visitor, I can't imagine why you appear to be defending it?

Safety, I don't see Bradford being better or worse than any large provincial City, I can see no reason why it would be?
I take it you haven't been in Leeds when United are playing, some of their 'fans' love a drink and a riot. You could always guarantee a good football row when BCFC hit town, funny how you missed all of that 'low life'. Not in Leeds, Halifax or Hudds, such sweeping statements but based on nothing more than hot air. Obviously unlike you and your god like tendancies, i can only speak for my own and family's experiences, we find Bradford an excellent shopping experience, laid back and very cost effective. If you want decent quality at value for money prices then without doubt Bradford city centre is the place to shop, it's not rocket science. Bradford city centre is very safe, we've shopped there for donkey's years and never had a problem, yet my son had his car broken into when shopping in Leeds and he paid for that dubious pleasure. You paint a picture of Bradford city centre that just doesn't ring true in our experience, i suppose if you look for it you can find fault with anything and believe this is the case with your 'observations'.
I have no idea why you have now brought football into it, anyway, you are wrong again. There is no difference in the Saturday lunchtime ambience in Leeds whether the club is at home or not. Why should there be? The grounds is 2 miles away and Government stats show that per % of crowd Bradford City has more banning orders and arrests than Leeds United.

Bradford is safe to shop but so is everywhere I've never had anything happen to me in Bradford, I've had a motorbike stolen in Manchester and phone in Seville, however, I don't equate those places with danger! , What's your point?

I am not painting a picture but telling the truth, and if you ask me, I will go an take a picture for you (and provide a link on here) on a day that you request. Street drinking by lowlife congregating together happens every day in a highly visible IN BRADfORD not in any other local cities or large towns. We know we go there, you are guessing, you don',t and the problem you have is that due to your absolute insularity you actually Bradford's ailments are"normal", get about a bit and you will see, in fact, that locally, they are unique to Bradford.

As ever, ignoring and refusing to accept problems is 100% not helpful.
You are right regarding football thugs and BCFC...we have a hard core of nutters who man for man probably have the edge over LUFC 's service crew. Leeds is a haven for football nutters, they frequent city centre pubs, obviously you don't have a clue regarding LUFC and football violence they go hand in hand as do ducks in ponds and rucks in leeds city centre, the railway station ect, that violence has been rife and has been a leeds city centre problem for years . I take your guide dog is well fed. You don't equate Manchester or Leeds with violence, my point is they are far more violent places, street drinking goes on everywhere try opening your eyes, day night whenever, there is serious street drinking by groups in all major cities and towns in the UK, see any real life police programme, binge drinking a UK wide problem . I've never had any problems shopping in Bradford city centre, just seen folk drinking outside pubs in summer and the odd guy sat around having a can. Your point of view is baseless and sinks without trace as usual.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I sure there are "stuff" going on in Leeds, I'd never dispute that, but I don't ever see it and I am there most days. The answer is, it is not tolerated in the most populated central areas, it's not visible, a visitor/investor would not see it. But Bradford tolerates low life drinking every day at the bottom of Ivegate, it's a terrible sight, depressing, and not one I see in other cities, we are not talking about one drunk, but a regular gathering place for drunks, right in our centre. Why is it tolerated? I have no idea, have you? You do realise every retailer approached by Westfield will have had people on the ground assessing Bradford's customer base and it's potential. These drunks project a terrible image and the silly thing is, it could easily be moved on, I say that because solving it is another problem[/p][/quote]How do you know a visitor or investor would not see it in Leeds (even taking into account my dislike of its football club), that's a sweeping statement based on nothing. You really do need to get out more, My job took me to all parts of the UK and unfortunately you see these folk in all major towns and cities, even our capital is far from perfect. (I'll go further, Bradford is far far safer than most other major UK cities) To infer it's somehow tolerated here but not elsewhere is quite simply incorrect, the law is what it is, police will deal with these folk in the same way here as they do country wide if someone or a group is deemed a nuisance or antisocial.[/p][/quote]I am there in Leeds most days, have been for 25 out of the last 30 years, I have seen the transformation of Leeds from the start. In that time I have never seen lowlife street drinking in the centre, that is a gang of drunks , boozing, never. I am going to FQ in 15 mins, if I went to Ivegate I'd see it in Bradford today. It's not a generalisation, it's the truth. TBH I am not sure whether Leeds "polices" it's centre differently or, it's just that Bradford is now so downbeat, it lends itself easily to lowlife activity. Whatever, it could easily be stopped. You have already said you don't go shopping anywhere else, as other do, they will say the same, you do not see lowlife street drinking, congregating in a centre anywhere else locally, not in Leeds, Hudders or Halifax, never mind the likes of York & H'gate. It is certainly not normal and would stand out a mile to new visitor, I can't imagine why you appear to be defending it? Safety, I don't see Bradford being better or worse than any large provincial City, I can see no reason why it would be?[/p][/quote]I take it you haven't been in Leeds when United are playing, some of their 'fans' love a drink and a riot. You could always guarantee a good football row when BCFC hit town, funny how you missed all of that 'low life'. Not in Leeds, Halifax or Hudds, such sweeping statements but based on nothing more than hot air. Obviously unlike you and your god like tendancies, i can only speak for my own and family's experiences, we find Bradford an excellent shopping experience, laid back and very cost effective. If you want decent quality at value for money prices then without doubt Bradford city centre is the place to shop, it's not rocket science. Bradford city centre is very safe, we've shopped there for donkey's years and never had a problem, yet my son had his car broken into when shopping in Leeds and he paid for that dubious pleasure. You paint a picture of Bradford city centre that just doesn't ring true in our experience, i suppose if you look for it you can find fault with anything and believe this is the case with your 'observations'.[/p][/quote]I have no idea why you have now brought football into it, anyway, you are wrong again. There is no difference in the Saturday lunchtime ambience in Leeds whether the club is at home or not. Why should there be? The grounds is 2 miles away and Government stats show that per % of crowd Bradford City has more banning orders and arrests than Leeds United. Bradford is safe to shop but so is everywhere I've never had anything happen to me in Bradford, I've had a motorbike stolen in Manchester and phone in Seville, however, I don't equate those places with danger! , What's your point? I am not painting a picture but telling the truth, and if you ask me, I will go an take a picture for you (and provide a link on here) on a day that you request. Street drinking by lowlife congregating together happens every day in a highly visible IN BRADfORD not in any other local cities or large towns. We know we go there, you are guessing, you don',t and the problem you have is that due to your absolute insularity you actually Bradford's ailments are"normal", get about a bit and you will see, in fact, that locally, they are unique to Bradford. As ever, ignoring and refusing to accept problems is 100% not helpful.[/p][/quote]You are right regarding football thugs and BCFC...we have a hard core of nutters who man for man probably have the edge over LUFC 's service crew. Leeds is a haven for football nutters, they frequent city centre pubs, obviously you don't have a clue regarding LUFC and football violence they go hand in hand as do ducks in ponds and rucks in leeds city centre, the railway station ect, that violence has been rife and has been a leeds city centre problem for years . I take your guide dog is well fed. You don't equate Manchester or Leeds with violence, my point is they are far more violent places, street drinking goes on everywhere try opening your eyes, day night whenever, there is serious street drinking by groups in all major cities and towns in the UK, see any real life police programme, binge drinking a UK wide problem . I've never had any problems shopping in Bradford city centre, just seen folk drinking outside pubs in summer and the odd guy sat around having a can. Your point of view is baseless and sinks without trace as usual. bcfc1903

9:28pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

I actually go to Leeds and on match days, not that I'd know tbh. Just name the day Mon-Sat you want your pic of the drunks.

I see more retailers have signed up for Westfield today, every single one of them with a unit already in Bradford to vacate, you can't see the wood for the trees. When every decent retailer in Bradford signs up, they might actually build it, then what?

Leeds builds space for retail demand, Bradford shuffles the cards.
I actually go to Leeds and on match days, not that I'd know tbh. Just name the day Mon-Sat you want your pic of the drunks. I see more retailers have signed up for Westfield today, every single one of them with a unit already in Bradford to vacate, you can't see the wood for the trees. When every decent retailer in Bradford signs up, they might actually build it, then what? Leeds builds space for retail demand, Bradford shuffles the cards. Pondlover

7:47am Thu 19 Dec 13

Pondlover says...

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If this goes ahead you will be moving one hole into another, it is desperately sad news for me, a citizen that cares about Bradford.
http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/10886282.EXCLUSIV E__Broadway_developm ent_project_signed_a nd_sealed/?ref=var_0 If this goes ahead you will be moving one hole into another, it is desperately sad news for me, a citizen that cares about Bradford. Pondlover

10:05am Thu 19 Dec 13

mrs walker says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?
They look like gypos. They certainly would not be allowed anywhere near a proper construction site as they are not properly dressed.

Just a bunch of scruffy oiks - possibly on Community Service.

As for anything actually getting built - there is no chance whatsoever.
Makes sense as the council leader looks like a gypo.
I for one don't care what he looks like - he can dye his hair pink and wear a frock, as long as things get done. And I have to say that, political leanings aside, as council leader he's achieved more than any other we've had in the last fifteen years, bearing in mind that a lot of the problems were hatched on Eaton and Hopkins' watch.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?[/p][/quote]They look like gypos. They certainly would not be allowed anywhere near a proper construction site as they are not properly dressed. Just a bunch of scruffy oiks - possibly on Community Service. As for anything actually getting built - there is no chance whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Makes sense as the council leader looks like a gypo.[/p][/quote]I for one don't care what he looks like - he can dye his hair pink and wear a frock, as long as things get done. And I have to say that, political leanings aside, as council leader he's achieved more than any other we've had in the last fifteen years, bearing in mind that a lot of the problems were hatched on Eaton and Hopkins' watch. mrs walker

1:28pm Thu 19 Dec 13

SinnerSaint says...

mrs walker wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?
They look like gypos. They certainly would not be allowed anywhere near a proper construction site as they are not properly dressed.

Just a bunch of scruffy oiks - possibly on Community Service.

As for anything actually getting built - there is no chance whatsoever.
Makes sense as the council leader looks like a gypo.
I for one don't care what he looks like - he can dye his hair pink and wear a frock, as long as things get done. And I have to say that, political leanings aside, as council leader he's achieved more than any other we've had in the last fifteen years, bearing in mind that a lot of the problems were hatched on Eaton and Hopkins' watch.
That is very, very questionable indeed. Exactly what has he achieved?
[quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?[/p][/quote]They look like gypos. They certainly would not be allowed anywhere near a proper construction site as they are not properly dressed. Just a bunch of scruffy oiks - possibly on Community Service. As for anything actually getting built - there is no chance whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Makes sense as the council leader looks like a gypo.[/p][/quote]I for one don't care what he looks like - he can dye his hair pink and wear a frock, as long as things get done. And I have to say that, political leanings aside, as council leader he's achieved more than any other we've had in the last fifteen years, bearing in mind that a lot of the problems were hatched on Eaton and Hopkins' watch.[/p][/quote]That is very, very questionable indeed. Exactly what has he achieved? SinnerSaint

3:48pm Thu 19 Dec 13

mrs walker says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?
They look like gypos. They certainly would not be allowed anywhere near a proper construction site as they are not properly dressed.

Just a bunch of scruffy oiks - possibly on Community Service.

As for anything actually getting built - there is no chance whatsoever.
Makes sense as the council leader looks like a gypo.
I for one don't care what he looks like - he can dye his hair pink and wear a frock, as long as things get done. And I have to say that, political leanings aside, as council leader he's achieved more than any other we've had in the last fifteen years, bearing in mind that a lot of the problems were hatched on Eaton and Hopkins' watch.
That is very, very questionable indeed. Exactly what has he achieved?
Finished City Park, commitment to Westfield, more consensus with community on the future of the Odeon, regeneration of Goitside...

Now admittedly he didn't do it single handedly - he didn't exactly fly in with his underpants over his tights and his superpowers blasting everything in sight, saving Bradford like as superhero. Still, as local councillors go, I've noticed a marked difference between what's been delivered while he's been the leader, compared to that of his predecessors.
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?[/p][/quote]They look like gypos. They certainly would not be allowed anywhere near a proper construction site as they are not properly dressed. Just a bunch of scruffy oiks - possibly on Community Service. As for anything actually getting built - there is no chance whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Makes sense as the council leader looks like a gypo.[/p][/quote]I for one don't care what he looks like - he can dye his hair pink and wear a frock, as long as things get done. And I have to say that, political leanings aside, as council leader he's achieved more than any other we've had in the last fifteen years, bearing in mind that a lot of the problems were hatched on Eaton and Hopkins' watch.[/p][/quote]That is very, very questionable indeed. Exactly what has he achieved?[/p][/quote]Finished City Park, commitment to Westfield, more consensus with community on the future of the Odeon, regeneration of Goitside... Now admittedly he didn't do it single handedly - he didn't exactly fly in with his underpants over his tights and his superpowers blasting everything in sight, saving Bradford like as superhero. Still, as local councillors go, I've noticed a marked difference between what's been delivered while he's been the leader, compared to that of his predecessors. mrs walker

4:28pm Thu 19 Dec 13

SinnerSaint says...

mrs walker wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?
They look like gypos. They certainly would not be allowed anywhere near a proper construction site as they are not properly dressed.

Just a bunch of scruffy oiks - possibly on Community Service.

As for anything actually getting built - there is no chance whatsoever.
Makes sense as the council leader looks like a gypo.
I for one don't care what he looks like - he can dye his hair pink and wear a frock, as long as things get done. And I have to say that, political leanings aside, as council leader he's achieved more than any other we've had in the last fifteen years, bearing in mind that a lot of the problems were hatched on Eaton and Hopkins' watch.
That is very, very questionable indeed. Exactly what has he achieved?
Finished City Park, commitment to Westfield, more consensus with community on the future of the Odeon, regeneration of Goitside...

Now admittedly he didn't do it single handedly - he didn't exactly fly in with his underpants over his tights and his superpowers blasting everything in sight, saving Bradford like as superhero. Still, as local councillors go, I've noticed a marked difference between what's been delivered while he's been the leader, compared to that of his predecessors.
Oh my good God. Are you mad?!
[quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?[/p][/quote]They look like gypos. They certainly would not be allowed anywhere near a proper construction site as they are not properly dressed. Just a bunch of scruffy oiks - possibly on Community Service. As for anything actually getting built - there is no chance whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Makes sense as the council leader looks like a gypo.[/p][/quote]I for one don't care what he looks like - he can dye his hair pink and wear a frock, as long as things get done. And I have to say that, political leanings aside, as council leader he's achieved more than any other we've had in the last fifteen years, bearing in mind that a lot of the problems were hatched on Eaton and Hopkins' watch.[/p][/quote]That is very, very questionable indeed. Exactly what has he achieved?[/p][/quote]Finished City Park, commitment to Westfield, more consensus with community on the future of the Odeon, regeneration of Goitside... Now admittedly he didn't do it single handedly - he didn't exactly fly in with his underpants over his tights and his superpowers blasting everything in sight, saving Bradford like as superhero. Still, as local councillors go, I've noticed a marked difference between what's been delivered while he's been the leader, compared to that of his predecessors.[/p][/quote]Oh my good God. Are you mad?! SinnerSaint

7:42pm Thu 19 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Pondlover wrote:
I actually go to Leeds and on match days, not that I'd know tbh. Just name the day Mon-Sat you want your pic of the drunks.

I see more retailers have signed up for Westfield today, every single one of them with a unit already in Bradford to vacate, you can't see the wood for the trees. When every decent retailer in Bradford signs up, they might actually build it, then what?

Leeds builds space for retail demand, Bradford shuffles the cards.
Like I said, that guide dog of yours had better be well fed. You seem to have Leeds on the brain, I've been there many times, just never ever shopped there, it's a great city as is it's younger twin Bradford. My sight is fine, it's seems your perspective isn't though, drunks are a national problem as is binge drinking, watch any real life police programme. Not only does your argument not hold water it doesn't hold a can of larger either. When Westfield is built, Bradford will have three shopping centres, Broadway, Kirkgate and Forster Square Retail Park, no shuffling, more a three card trick.
[quote][p][bold]Pondlover[/bold] wrote: I actually go to Leeds and on match days, not that I'd know tbh. Just name the day Mon-Sat you want your pic of the drunks. I see more retailers have signed up for Westfield today, every single one of them with a unit already in Bradford to vacate, you can't see the wood for the trees. When every decent retailer in Bradford signs up, they might actually build it, then what? Leeds builds space for retail demand, Bradford shuffles the cards.[/p][/quote]Like I said, that guide dog of yours had better be well fed. You seem to have Leeds on the brain, I've been there many times, just never ever shopped there, it's a great city as is it's younger twin Bradford. My sight is fine, it's seems your perspective isn't though, drunks are a national problem as is binge drinking, watch any real life police programme. Not only does your argument not hold water it doesn't hold a can of larger either. When Westfield is built, Bradford will have three shopping centres, Broadway, Kirkgate and Forster Square Retail Park, no shuffling, more a three card trick. bcfc1903

9:57pm Thu 19 Dec 13

mrs walker says...

SinnerSaint wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
SinnerSaint wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Apollo wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?
They look like gypos. They certainly would not be allowed anywhere near a proper construction site as they are not properly dressed.

Just a bunch of scruffy oiks - possibly on Community Service.

As for anything actually getting built - there is no chance whatsoever.
Makes sense as the council leader looks like a gypo.
I for one don't care what he looks like - he can dye his hair pink and wear a frock, as long as things get done. And I have to say that, political leanings aside, as council leader he's achieved more than any other we've had in the last fifteen years, bearing in mind that a lot of the problems were hatched on Eaton and Hopkins' watch.
That is very, very questionable indeed. Exactly what has he achieved?
Finished City Park, commitment to Westfield, more consensus with community on the future of the Odeon, regeneration of Goitside...

Now admittedly he didn't do it single handedly - he didn't exactly fly in with his underpants over his tights and his superpowers blasting everything in sight, saving Bradford like as superhero. Still, as local councillors go, I've noticed a marked difference between what's been delivered while he's been the leader, compared to that of his predecessors.
Oh my good God. Are you mad?!
I'd love to know what you think Hopkins, Eaton or Greenwood achieved if you disagree with my comparison?
[quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SinnerSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apollo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Are they actually council workers in the picture or gypos searching for scrap metal?[/p][/quote]They look like gypos. They certainly would not be allowed anywhere near a proper construction site as they are not properly dressed. Just a bunch of scruffy oiks - possibly on Community Service. As for anything actually getting built - there is no chance whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Makes sense as the council leader looks like a gypo.[/p][/quote]I for one don't care what he looks like - he can dye his hair pink and wear a frock, as long as things get done. And I have to say that, political leanings aside, as council leader he's achieved more than any other we've had in the last fifteen years, bearing in mind that a lot of the problems were hatched on Eaton and Hopkins' watch.[/p][/quote]That is very, very questionable indeed. Exactly what has he achieved?[/p][/quote]Finished City Park, commitment to Westfield, more consensus with community on the future of the Odeon, regeneration of Goitside... Now admittedly he didn't do it single handedly - he didn't exactly fly in with his underpants over his tights and his superpowers blasting everything in sight, saving Bradford like as superhero. Still, as local councillors go, I've noticed a marked difference between what's been delivered while he's been the leader, compared to that of his predecessors.[/p][/quote]Oh my good God. Are you mad?![/p][/quote]I'd love to know what you think Hopkins, Eaton or Greenwood achieved if you disagree with my comparison? mrs walker

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