New twist in Shipley supermarket planning saga

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: The Crossley Evans site The Crossley Evans site

The three-sided fight to build a new supermarket in Shipley has taken a dramatic turn as Bradford Council planning officers have backed the proposed development on the Crossley Evans recycling site off Otley Road.

And in a report they recommended refusal for both Morrisons supermarket and housing proposal for Crag Lane and shopfitting firm Cardinal’s plans to redevelop Airedale Mills.

It draws on findings by independent consultant Arups, which concludes that developers GMI’s “Shipley Link” plan for a store and petrol station on the Crossley Evans site would most benefit the town in terms of jobs, regeneration and removing the waste processing site which is considered to be a ‘blight”.

The reports will be presented at a major two-day planning meeting which starts at Shipley Library on Thursday, December 19. The main thrust of the argument is that jobs are a priority and lists the estimates as follows: * Otley Road – 328 to 524 jobs * Crag Road – 290 to 400 jobs * Airedale Mills – 244 to 366 jobs The report states: “This indicates that the Otley Road scheme offers the strongest potential operational economic impact. All three development proposals also offer different potential levels of wider regeneration impact.”

The report then comes down firmly in favour the Otley Road scheme.

And, referring to any pollution which might exist at the Crossley Evans site, it continues: “The redevelopment of the site will be critical in enabling significant long-term regeneration of Shipley, tackling a site that has high abnormal costs due to high contamination.

“The Crag Road scheme (Morrisons) also has the potential to generate a substantial wider regeneration impact but does not remove significant existing blight.”

However, the report also acknowledges that the Crag Road scheme is “effectively pre-let” as it is backed by Morrisons which is committed to building its own store, whereas the other two developers have yet to name retailers.

But GMI’s plan scores more points in terms of its easy reach from Shipley centre and good public transport links.

Crossley Evans boss Matthew Evans strongly criticised the planners’ report.

“We are shocked at the conclusions reached in the report issued by the planning department,” he said.

“The conclusions reached are based on reports that are incorrect in a way that we have already made the planning department aware of.”

Councillor Vanda Greenwood (Lab, Windhill and Wrose) said: “It is important to note that a decision has yet to be made and I shall be speaking in favour of the Morrisons’ project at next week’s meetings at Shipley Library."

Morrisons (Crag Road): Development executive Richard Bakes, speaking on behalf of Morrisons, said: “We are as surprised as we are disappointed with the officers’ recommendations.

“Our scheme really does represent a once in a lifetime opportunity for Shipley, with a £40 million investment bringing hundreds of jobs and substantial regeneration benefits with a variety of uses, outstripping the other schemes by far.

“Moreover, ours is the only deliverable scheme with both developers and operators signed up to a fully detailed application.

“This is set against two competing schemes presented in outline only – meaning there’s no details, no design and absolutely no guarantees that they are remotely deliverable.”

Cardinal (Airedale Mill): James Marshall, of Commercial Development Projects, which is involved in the Cardinal scheme, said: “Naturally we are disappointed. While we respect that national retail planning policy needs to consider specific elements, we would hope that members will see the local and city perspective a lot more holistically.

“The difference in distance from Shipley Town Centre to our site and the Crossley Evans supermarket site is only 85 metres, according to the planning report.

“We strongly hope that the planning committee recognise its role in safeguarding both the Cardinal business and employees and also the Crossley Evans business and employees.

“They have a straightforward decision to make.”

GMI Developments (Otley Road): Chris Gilman, managing director of GMI Developments said: “We are delighted that the planning officers and the Council's independent consultants share our view that our Shipley Link scheme represents the best opportunity for the regeneration and revitalisation of both this part of Shipley and the wider area.

“We have invested an enormous amount of time and resources on this project so far and following next week’s planning meeting, we hope to work closely with the Council in the coming months to deliver a high quality and sustainable scheme that both Shipley residents and GMI can be proud of.”

Site owners DB Schenker said: “DB Schenker has an agreement with Network Rail and GMI Developments to promote a £25 million regeneration project for this gateway site.

“The scheme includes a supermarket, 25,000 sq.ft of new office accommodation and 80 free car parking spaces for the station. Crossley Evans entered into the current lease agreement in 2009. That lease makes specific provision for either party to terminate the lease by giving the other six months’ notice. Crossley Evans was served notice in October, requiring it to leave the site in April next year”.

Comments (51)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

6:49am Fri 13 Dec 13

Tonybaloni says...

This is the problem when you have an outside party interfering in the business of another Town.
Shipley should get it's own town hall back and then at least the councilors will more than likely choose a scheme in the interests of Shipley rather than the biggest brown envelope.
This is the problem when you have an outside party interfering in the business of another Town. Shipley should get it's own town hall back and then at least the councilors will more than likely choose a scheme in the interests of Shipley rather than the biggest brown envelope. Tonybaloni

6:56am Fri 13 Dec 13

allannicho says...

Part-time low paid jobs methinks!
Part-time low paid jobs methinks! allannicho

7:01am Fri 13 Dec 13

we'recitynotbradford says...

City Hall is hardly an outside interets... 1974 is nearly 40 years ago. I live in Shipley and am 100% Bradfordian. Have to say that I think this is the wrong decision. Crossley Evans might be 'ugly' but does provide real jobs, Airedale Mills should be supported as Cardinal claim that it will allow their jobs to relocate locally. Can't make my mind up about the Morrisons one - looks the best but isn't it planned forwhere the Eastern bypass shouldgo if we ever get the money?
City Hall is hardly an outside interets... 1974 is nearly 40 years ago. I live in Shipley and am 100% Bradfordian. Have to say that I think this is the wrong decision. Crossley Evans might be 'ugly' but does provide real jobs, Airedale Mills should be supported as Cardinal claim that it will allow their jobs to relocate locally. Can't make my mind up about the Morrisons one - looks the best but isn't it planned forwhere the Eastern bypass shouldgo if we ever get the money? we'recitynotbradford

7:01am Fri 13 Dec 13

Albion. says...

From responses on the many threads that have featured this subject, it seems that the council has gone against the wishes of the people. Crossley's will doubtlessly be welcomed with open arms by Leeds/Kirklees or Calderdale, along with their expanding plans to produce wood pellets for the power industry (They are currently imported from North America). Cardinal (who are looking for smaller and more suitable premises) might well also re-locate elsewhere. Meanwhile the traffic build-up at Carr Lane junction (the re-modelling of which was to be a feature of the Morrisons development) will continue to get worse!
Have the council picked the worst of the three options and should they have considered more than one?
From responses on the many threads that have featured this subject, it seems that the council has gone against the wishes of the people. Crossley's will doubtlessly be welcomed with open arms by Leeds/Kirklees or Calderdale, along with their expanding plans to produce wood pellets for the power industry (They are currently imported from North America). Cardinal (who are looking for smaller and more suitable premises) might well also re-locate elsewhere. Meanwhile the traffic build-up at Carr Lane junction (the re-modelling of which was to be a feature of the Morrisons development) will continue to get worse! Have the council picked the worst of the three options and should they have considered more than one? Albion.

7:14am Fri 13 Dec 13

thatsnotmyname says...

I think it will be the best for Shipley, obviously not for Crossley evans or it supporters but as the report states the scrap yard (because that's what it is) is a blight on the town. I don't think such a business should be in a town centre anymore.
I think it will be the best for Shipley, obviously not for Crossley evans or it supporters but as the report states the scrap yard (because that's what it is) is a blight on the town. I don't think such a business should be in a town centre anymore. thatsnotmyname

8:27am Fri 13 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

thatsnotmyname wrote:
I think it will be the best for Shipley, obviously not for Crossley evans or it supporters but as the report states the scrap yard (because that's what it is) is a blight on the town. I don't think such a business should be in a town centre anymore.
town centre?
i would hardly call it that!
most shops have gone.
when i was a kid it was a shopping area, now its not.
the crossley development will kill the rest off.
central government should investigate this fit up.
[quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: I think it will be the best for Shipley, obviously not for Crossley evans or it supporters but as the report states the scrap yard (because that's what it is) is a blight on the town. I don't think such a business should be in a town centre anymore.[/p][/quote]town centre? i would hardly call it that! most shops have gone. when i was a kid it was a shopping area, now its not. the crossley development will kill the rest off. central government should investigate this fit up. tinytoonster

8:35am Fri 13 Dec 13

Truffle shuffle says...

I see a judicial review on the horizon.....
I see a judicial review on the horizon..... Truffle shuffle

8:38am Fri 13 Dec 13

thatsnotmyname says...

tinytoonster wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:
I think it will be the best for Shipley, obviously not for Crossley evans or it supporters but as the report states the scrap yard (because that's what it is) is a blight on the town. I don't think such a business should be in a town centre anymore.
town centre?
i would hardly call it that!
most shops have gone.
when i was a kid it was a shopping area, now its not.
the crossley development will kill the rest off.
central government should investigate this fit up.
Why should tax payers money go into the investigation of a redevelopment? The planners and a independent body have looked at which would benefit the town of Shipley and this is what they have backed. It is now up to the council to either go with that recommendation or not.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: I think it will be the best for Shipley, obviously not for Crossley evans or it supporters but as the report states the scrap yard (because that's what it is) is a blight on the town. I don't think such a business should be in a town centre anymore.[/p][/quote]town centre? i would hardly call it that! most shops have gone. when i was a kid it was a shopping area, now its not. the crossley development will kill the rest off. central government should investigate this fit up.[/p][/quote]Why should tax payers money go into the investigation of a redevelopment? The planners and a independent body have looked at which would benefit the town of Shipley and this is what they have backed. It is now up to the council to either go with that recommendation or not. thatsnotmyname

8:43am Fri 13 Dec 13

BD16 says...

Meanwhile in other retail news. The White Rose extension has been given the go ahead. What does this mean for Westfield and Bradford?
Meanwhile in other retail news. The White Rose extension has been given the go ahead. What does this mean for Westfield and Bradford? BD16

8:50am Fri 13 Dec 13

freespeech says...

I would have voted for the Morrisons scheme, I don't agree with the findings to support the Crossley site.. In any case, competition for the Asda is welcomed
I would have voted for the Morrisons scheme, I don't agree with the findings to support the Crossley site.. In any case, competition for the Asda is welcomed freespeech

8:50am Fri 13 Dec 13

wobbley-bob says...

BD16 wrote:
Meanwhile in other retail news. The White Rose extension has been given the go ahead. What does this mean for Westfield and Bradford?
And Westfield had the cheek to oppose it because they said it would impact on their development in Bradford....Erm, what development, we're still waiting?

YCMIU
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: Meanwhile in other retail news. The White Rose extension has been given the go ahead. What does this mean for Westfield and Bradford?[/p][/quote]And Westfield had the cheek to oppose it because they said it would impact on their development in Bradford....Erm, what development, we're still waiting? YCMIU wobbley-bob

9:01am Fri 13 Dec 13

C.T.I.D says...

Good decision. It's the one that creates the most jobs, nearest to the town centre, and the current site gives a bad impression of Shipley when you go past it on the train.
Good decision. It's the one that creates the most jobs, nearest to the town centre, and the current site gives a bad impression of Shipley when you go past it on the train. C.T.I.D

9:15am Fri 13 Dec 13

bunnyson says...

Despite all the opposition to this plan from local people, it seems the committee, none of whom have an iota of care about Shipley, are going to blindly go ahead with their plan, whatever the consequences.

If they expect the people of Shipley to lie down, they have another thing coming.
Despite all the opposition to this plan from local people, it seems the committee, none of whom have an iota of care about Shipley, are going to blindly go ahead with their plan, whatever the consequences. If they expect the people of Shipley to lie down, they have another thing coming. bunnyson

9:33am Fri 13 Dec 13

freespeech says...

bunnyson wrote:
Despite all the opposition to this plan from local people, it seems the committee, none of whom have an iota of care about Shipley, are going to blindly go ahead with their plan, whatever the consequences.

If they expect the people of Shipley to lie down, they have another thing coming.
I'm from Shipley, As long as it isn't another charity shop, secondhand shop or bookies I couldn't careless. Even the outdoor market has turned in to a car boot sale over the past 5 to 6 years.. We should be trying to get big names in to the town.. and nearer the town centre, the better.. Give Asda a run for its money, after all they are partially responsible for local business closing.
[quote][p][bold]bunnyson[/bold] wrote: Despite all the opposition to this plan from local people, it seems the committee, none of whom have an iota of care about Shipley, are going to blindly go ahead with their plan, whatever the consequences. If they expect the people of Shipley to lie down, they have another thing coming.[/p][/quote]I'm from Shipley, As long as it isn't another charity shop, secondhand shop or bookies I couldn't careless. Even the outdoor market has turned in to a car boot sale over the past 5 to 6 years.. We should be trying to get big names in to the town.. and nearer the town centre, the better.. Give Asda a run for its money, after all they are partially responsible for local business closing. freespeech

9:40am Fri 13 Dec 13

sorrow&anger says...

It's all down to the simple arithmetic of jobs then? Crag Road is guaranteed its supermarket and therefore the job number must be fairly accurate. Crossley Evan has yet to be let and the number of jobs must be at best an estimate designed only to get planning approval.
It's all down to the simple arithmetic of jobs then? Crag Road is guaranteed its supermarket and therefore the job number must be fairly accurate. Crossley Evan has yet to be let and the number of jobs must be at best an estimate designed only to get planning approval. sorrow&anger

9:44am Fri 13 Dec 13

BaildonGuy says...

Why would a supermarket on one site generate significantly more jobs than a supermarket on an adjacent site? Morrisons know about supermarkets. Their estimate is likely to be accurate, The Crossley Evans number is probably a strategic overestimate.

The non-delivery of over-optimistic job estimates is Bradford curse. Look at the 723 brand new jobs promised for Buck Lane. Nowhere to be seen.

There's a smell of brown envelopes about this.
Why would a supermarket on one site generate significantly more jobs than a supermarket on an adjacent site? Morrisons know about supermarkets. Their estimate is likely to be accurate, The Crossley Evans number is probably a strategic overestimate. The non-delivery of over-optimistic job estimates is Bradford curse. Look at the 723 brand new jobs promised for Buck Lane. Nowhere to be seen. There's a smell of brown envelopes about this. BaildonGuy

9:53am Fri 13 Dec 13

dazbot says...

bunnyson wrote:
Despite all the opposition to this plan from local people, it seems the committee, none of whom have an iota of care about Shipley, are going to blindly go ahead with their plan, whatever the consequences.

If they expect the people of Shipley to lie down, they have another thing coming.
I live in Shipley and don't oppose this plan. A lot of people I have talked to don't either.
[quote][p][bold]bunnyson[/bold] wrote: Despite all the opposition to this plan from local people, it seems the committee, none of whom have an iota of care about Shipley, are going to blindly go ahead with their plan, whatever the consequences. If they expect the people of Shipley to lie down, they have another thing coming.[/p][/quote]I live in Shipley and don't oppose this plan. A lot of people I have talked to don't either. dazbot

10:27am Fri 13 Dec 13

ertnec says...

yet again big Supermarkets get there way, money talks again The Council has no money so a big Supermarket comes in and pays for all the work.
yet again big Supermarkets get there way, money talks again The Council has no money so a big Supermarket comes in and pays for all the work. ertnec

10:38am Fri 13 Dec 13

Albion. says...

ertnec wrote:
yet again big Supermarkets get there way, money talks again The Council has no money so a big Supermarket comes in and pays for all the work.
So the other two are SMALL supermarkets are they?
[quote][p][bold]ertnec[/bold] wrote: yet again big Supermarkets get there way, money talks again The Council has no money so a big Supermarket comes in and pays for all the work.[/p][/quote]So the other two are SMALL supermarkets are they? Albion.

11:16am Fri 13 Dec 13

freespeech says...

dazbot wrote:
bunnyson wrote:
Despite all the opposition to this plan from local people, it seems the committee, none of whom have an iota of care about Shipley, are going to blindly go ahead with their plan, whatever the consequences.

If they expect the people of Shipley to lie down, they have another thing coming.
I live in Shipley and don't oppose this plan. A lot of people I have talked to don't either.
I agree with dazbot.. I haven't spoke to anyone locally who is against any of the proposals, so "all the opposition" must be a minor sector of my community. Any competition to Adsa is great news.
[quote][p][bold]dazbot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bunnyson[/bold] wrote: Despite all the opposition to this plan from local people, it seems the committee, none of whom have an iota of care about Shipley, are going to blindly go ahead with their plan, whatever the consequences. If they expect the people of Shipley to lie down, they have another thing coming.[/p][/quote]I live in Shipley and don't oppose this plan. A lot of people I have talked to don't either.[/p][/quote]I agree with dazbot.. I haven't spoke to anyone locally who is against any of the proposals, so "all the opposition" must be a minor sector of my community. Any competition to Adsa is great news. freespeech

11:18am Fri 13 Dec 13

bunnyson says...

Dazpot states: live in Shipley and don't oppose this plan. A lot of people I have talked to don't either;
Free speech says: I'm from Shipley, As long as it isn't another charity shop, secondhand shop or bookies I couldn't careless. Even the outdoor market has turned in to a car boot sale over the past 5 to 6 years.. We should be trying to get big names in to the town.. and nearer the town centre, the better.. Give Asda a run for its money, after all they are partially responsible for local business closing.

Wake up to two of you before Shipley disappears, what happened to the post office? Pulled down with little consultation to make a car park with a steel fence. Great improvement.

I would agree about the town centre, but another s/market is qoing to draw more people away from the centre. Part of the Replacement Unitary Development plan (Policy D6 states pedestrian links should have priority over other modes, including car, as appropriate to the development.). Of course Otley Road will be made so that pedestrians have priority over cars, Oh and Pigs may fly!
Dazpot states: live in Shipley and don't oppose this plan. A lot of people I have talked to don't either; Free speech says: I'm from Shipley, As long as it isn't another charity shop, secondhand shop or bookies I couldn't careless. Even the outdoor market has turned in to a car boot sale over the past 5 to 6 years.. We should be trying to get big names in to the town.. and nearer the town centre, the better.. Give Asda a run for its money, after all they are partially responsible for local business closing. Wake up to two of you before Shipley disappears, what happened to the post office? Pulled down with little consultation to make a car park with a steel fence. Great improvement. I would agree about the town centre, but another s/market is qoing to draw more people away from the centre. Part of the Replacement Unitary Development plan (Policy D6 states pedestrian links should have priority over other modes, including car, as appropriate to the development.). Of course Otley Road will be made so that pedestrians have priority over cars, Oh and Pigs may fly! bunnyson

11:21am Fri 13 Dec 13

Joedavid says...

freespeech wrote:
dazbot wrote:
bunnyson wrote:
Despite all the opposition to this plan from local people, it seems the committee, none of whom have an iota of care about Shipley, are going to blindly go ahead with their plan, whatever the consequences.

If they expect the people of Shipley to lie down, they have another thing coming.
I live in Shipley and don't oppose this plan. A lot of people I have talked to don't either.
I agree with dazbot.. I haven't spoke to anyone locally who is against any of the proposals, so "all the opposition" must be a minor sector of my community. Any competition to Adsa is great news.
As long it is not Asda that's going to be on the Railway site.
Also why should only one of the three get the go ahead?
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazbot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bunnyson[/bold] wrote: Despite all the opposition to this plan from local people, it seems the committee, none of whom have an iota of care about Shipley, are going to blindly go ahead with their plan, whatever the consequences. If they expect the people of Shipley to lie down, they have another thing coming.[/p][/quote]I live in Shipley and don't oppose this plan. A lot of people I have talked to don't either.[/p][/quote]I agree with dazbot.. I haven't spoke to anyone locally who is against any of the proposals, so "all the opposition" must be a minor sector of my community. Any competition to Adsa is great news.[/p][/quote]As long it is not Asda that's going to be on the Railway site. Also why should only one of the three get the go ahead? Joedavid

11:30am Fri 13 Dec 13

Reality001 says...

Your all jumping ahead of yourselves. This is just a recommendation by the Planning Officers to the Planning Panel. The Planning Panel will hear their own evidence and will make their own decision, of which this report is one part of that evidence.
Your all jumping ahead of yourselves. This is just a recommendation by the Planning Officers to the Planning Panel. The Planning Panel will hear their own evidence and will make their own decision, of which this report is one part of that evidence. Reality001

11:34am Fri 13 Dec 13

Albion. says...

Reality001 wrote:
Your all jumping ahead of yourselves. This is just a recommendation by the Planning Officers to the Planning Panel. The Planning Panel will hear their own evidence and will make their own decision, of which this report is one part of that evidence.
It's likely to just be a rubber stamp job though, unless those who oppose it and support one (or both) of the other schemes, is prepared for a long and costly fight.
[quote][p][bold]Reality001[/bold] wrote: Your all jumping ahead of yourselves. This is just a recommendation by the Planning Officers to the Planning Panel. The Planning Panel will hear their own evidence and will make their own decision, of which this report is one part of that evidence.[/p][/quote]It's likely to just be a rubber stamp job though, unless those who oppose it and support one (or both) of the other schemes, is prepared for a long and costly fight. Albion.

11:46am Fri 13 Dec 13

dazbot says...

bunnyson wrote:
Dazpot states: live in Shipley and don't oppose this plan. A lot of people I have talked to don't either;
Free speech says: I'm from Shipley, As long as it isn't another charity shop, secondhand shop or bookies I couldn't careless. Even the outdoor market has turned in to a car boot sale over the past 5 to 6 years.. We should be trying to get big names in to the town.. and nearer the town centre, the better.. Give Asda a run for its money, after all they are partially responsible for local business closing.

Wake up to two of you before Shipley disappears, what happened to the post office? Pulled down with little consultation to make a car park with a steel fence. Great improvement.

I would agree about the town centre, but another s/market is qoing to draw more people away from the centre. Part of the Replacement Unitary Development plan (Policy D6 states pedestrian links should have priority over other modes, including car, as appropriate to the development.). Of course Otley Road will be made so that pedestrians have priority over cars, Oh and Pigs may fly!
I went to Skipton the other day, they don't seem to have any problems with supermarkets. I think it actually creates individuality and creative thinking in local shops. Who has time these days to do a weekly food shop swaning around a variety of small food stores?

The post office collection office was pulled down as part of a UK cost saving scheme, nothing to do with Shipley.
[quote][p][bold]bunnyson[/bold] wrote: Dazpot states: live in Shipley and don't oppose this plan. A lot of people I have talked to don't either; Free speech says: I'm from Shipley, As long as it isn't another charity shop, secondhand shop or bookies I couldn't careless. Even the outdoor market has turned in to a car boot sale over the past 5 to 6 years.. We should be trying to get big names in to the town.. and nearer the town centre, the better.. Give Asda a run for its money, after all they are partially responsible for local business closing. Wake up to two of you before Shipley disappears, what happened to the post office? Pulled down with little consultation to make a car park with a steel fence. Great improvement. I would agree about the town centre, but another s/market is qoing to draw more people away from the centre. Part of the Replacement Unitary Development plan (Policy D6 states pedestrian links should have priority over other modes, including car, as appropriate to the development.). Of course Otley Road will be made so that pedestrians have priority over cars, Oh and Pigs may fly![/p][/quote]I went to Skipton the other day, they don't seem to have any problems with supermarkets. I think it actually creates individuality and creative thinking in local shops. Who has time these days to do a weekly food shop swaning around a variety of small food stores? The post office collection office was pulled down as part of a UK cost saving scheme, nothing to do with Shipley. dazbot

12:32pm Fri 13 Dec 13

vikksy says...

So Shipley are going to have TWO major supermarkets side by side well done council.
So Shipley are going to have TWO major supermarkets side by side well done council. vikksy

12:45pm Fri 13 Dec 13

linebacker2 says...

freespeech wrote:
bunnyson wrote:
Despite all the opposition to this plan from local people, it seems the committee, none of whom have an iota of care about Shipley, are going to blindly go ahead with their plan, whatever the consequences.

If they expect the people of Shipley to lie down, they have another thing coming.
I'm from Shipley, As long as it isn't another charity shop, secondhand shop or bookies I couldn't careless. Even the outdoor market has turned in to a car boot sale over the past 5 to 6 years.. We should be trying to get big names in to the town.. and nearer the town centre, the better.. Give Asda a run for its money, after all they are partially responsible for local business closing.
Asda responsible for local businesses closing?

Nobody's forced to shop at ASDA, your argument's a bit like saying Ford put blacksmiths out of business. If local shops offered better choice, value, service etc then people would use them.
[quote][p][bold]freespeech[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bunnyson[/bold] wrote: Despite all the opposition to this plan from local people, it seems the committee, none of whom have an iota of care about Shipley, are going to blindly go ahead with their plan, whatever the consequences. If they expect the people of Shipley to lie down, they have another thing coming.[/p][/quote]I'm from Shipley, As long as it isn't another charity shop, secondhand shop or bookies I couldn't careless. Even the outdoor market has turned in to a car boot sale over the past 5 to 6 years.. We should be trying to get big names in to the town.. and nearer the town centre, the better.. Give Asda a run for its money, after all they are partially responsible for local business closing.[/p][/quote]Asda responsible for local businesses closing? Nobody's forced to shop at ASDA, your argument's a bit like saying Ford put blacksmiths out of business. If local shops offered better choice, value, service etc then people would use them. linebacker2

12:57pm Fri 13 Dec 13

allinittogether says...

If I were Crossley Evans I'd tell the council to stick the report right up their Arup and take my business and proper jobs to another town. Leave Shipley to a part-time minimum wage future.
If I were Crossley Evans I'd tell the council to stick the report right up their Arup and take my business and proper jobs to another town. Leave Shipley to a part-time minimum wage future. allinittogether

1:31pm Fri 13 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

allinittogether wrote:
If I were Crossley Evans I'd tell the council to stick the report right up their Arup and take my business and proper jobs to another town. Leave Shipley to a part-time minimum wage future.
Im with Crossley Evans looks like they have been stiched up to me.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: If I were Crossley Evans I'd tell the council to stick the report right up their Arup and take my business and proper jobs to another town. Leave Shipley to a part-time minimum wage future.[/p][/quote]Im with Crossley Evans looks like they have been stiched up to me. alive and awake

1:46pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Grumpygirl says...

Only in Bradford would a profitable company be described as a blight. Crossley Evans and Morissons are two successful, well-established and expanding Bradford companies that have just been brutally slapped in the face. City Hall is clearly telling them that their presence is not welcome.

Instead City Hall prefers unsubstantiated employment promises from a clientless developer. What kind is signal does this send to existing businesses and those thinking of a long term investment in our wonderful city? It's no wonder that Bradford fails to regenerate.

The Council's blight argument is completely spurious. They are clearly looking for any excuse to turn Morrisson's down. You can hardly see Crossley Evans as you drive through Shipley because it is well below road level. And if the Council is saying that the view from the train is a major deterrent to would-be investors, I'm sure Crossley Evans could be persuaded to erect a trackside fence.
Only in Bradford would a profitable company be described as a blight. Crossley Evans and Morissons are two successful, well-established and expanding Bradford companies that have just been brutally slapped in the face. City Hall is clearly telling them that their presence is not welcome. Instead City Hall prefers unsubstantiated employment promises from a clientless developer. What kind is signal does this send to existing businesses and those thinking of a long term investment in our wonderful city? It's no wonder that Bradford fails to regenerate. The Council's blight argument is completely spurious. They are clearly looking for any excuse to turn Morrisson's down. You can hardly see Crossley Evans as you drive through Shipley because it is well below road level. And if the Council is saying that the view from the train is a major deterrent to would-be investors, I'm sure Crossley Evans could be persuaded to erect a trackside fence. Grumpygirl

1:49pm Fri 13 Dec 13

stevion12 says...

vikksy wrote:
So Shipley are going to have TWO major supermarkets side by side well done council.
keighley is the same too Asda and Sainsburys next door to each other with the train line separating them, will be the same in Shipley now too. not sure what's going on the Evens site tho but least we know Morrisons want to build in Shipley.
[quote][p][bold]vikksy[/bold] wrote: So Shipley are going to have TWO major supermarkets side by side well done council.[/p][/quote]keighley is the same too Asda and Sainsburys next door to each other with the train line separating them, will be the same in Shipley now too. not sure what's going on the Evens site tho but least we know Morrisons want to build in Shipley. stevion12

2:08pm Fri 13 Dec 13

sorrow&anger says...

bunnyson wrote:
Despite all the opposition to this plan from local people, it seems the committee, none of whom have an iota of care about Shipley, are going to blindly go ahead with their plan, whatever the consequences.

If they expect the people of Shipley to lie down, they have another thing coming.
Can't the Planning Department get anything right? You really have to wonder at the basis of their decisions. Post-war their concept of blight lead them to demolish a proud, confident and well-built Victorian city and replace it with 50's tat that is now being pulled down. Throw in a few Swan Arcades and Kirkgate Markets and you end up with the ugly, economic wasteland and post-Wardley dump that we have today.

Frankly if it's anything more important to Bradford than a garden shed then the Planning and so-called Regeneration Department need keeping well away from the decision. However I suppose our supine and spineless Councillors will rubber stamp the recommendation as usual. Another missed opportunity.
[quote][p][bold]bunnyson[/bold] wrote: Despite all the opposition to this plan from local people, it seems the committee, none of whom have an iota of care about Shipley, are going to blindly go ahead with their plan, whatever the consequences. If they expect the people of Shipley to lie down, they have another thing coming.[/p][/quote]Can't the Planning Department get anything right? You really have to wonder at the basis of their decisions. Post-war their concept of blight lead them to demolish a proud, confident and well-built Victorian city and replace it with 50's tat that is now being pulled down. Throw in a few Swan Arcades and Kirkgate Markets and you end up with the ugly, economic wasteland and post-Wardley dump that we have today. Frankly if it's anything more important to Bradford than a garden shed then the Planning and so-called Regeneration Department need keeping well away from the decision. However I suppose our supine and spineless Councillors will rubber stamp the recommendation as usual. Another missed opportunity. sorrow&anger

2:20pm Fri 13 Dec 13

UseOrOrnament says...

Buying local keeps ten times more money circulating in the local economy than buying from large chains, Crossley Evans are a local co, and want to stay and expand and continue being ecological. Whatever 'investment' promised by the two supermarket offers, they will consist of poorly paid, tax subsidised part time jobs and another reason not to shop indie in Shipley. Several of the most vibrant indie shops in Shipley are opposed and Crossley Evans are opposed - these are the local people whose livings are on the line. We ought to support them. The only way a supermarket would improve Shipley is if it a) paid the living wage and b) set aside a large subsidised area for local businesses, otherwise it is a drain.
Buying local keeps ten times more money circulating in the local economy than buying from large chains, Crossley Evans are a local co, and want to stay and expand and continue being ecological. Whatever 'investment' promised by the two supermarket offers, they will consist of poorly paid, tax subsidised part time jobs and another reason not to shop indie in Shipley. Several of the most vibrant indie shops in Shipley are opposed and Crossley Evans are opposed - these are the local people whose livings are on the line. We ought to support them. The only way a supermarket would improve Shipley is if it a) paid the living wage and b) set aside a large subsidised area for local businesses, otherwise it is a drain. UseOrOrnament

2:30pm Fri 13 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Are we really expecting another supermarket to solve shipley's jobs crisis? Just look at Asda with it's rows of self service checkouts and very few actual manned checkouts. But it gets worse. I was in there the other night and I had to wait while the checkout operator got some assistance. He apologised for this and told me this wasn't his job, he hadn't been properly trained for it, he had just been dragged off shelf stacking duties to fill in.
Are we really expecting another supermarket to solve shipley's jobs crisis? Just look at Asda with it's rows of self service checkouts and very few actual manned checkouts. But it gets worse. I was in there the other night and I had to wait while the checkout operator got some assistance. He apologised for this and told me this wasn't his job, he hadn't been properly trained for it, he had just been dragged off shelf stacking duties to fill in. RollandSmoke

2:56pm Fri 13 Dec 13

bunnyson says...

dazbot wrote:
bunnyson wrote:
Dazpot states: live in Shipley and don't oppose this plan. A lot of people I have talked to don't either;
Free speech says: I'm from Shipley, As long as it isn't another charity shop, secondhand shop or bookies I couldn't careless. Even the outdoor market has turned in to a car boot sale over the past 5 to 6 years.. We should be trying to get big names in to the town.. and nearer the town centre, the better.. Give Asda a run for its money, after all they are partially responsible for local business closing.

Wake up to two of you before Shipley disappears, what happened to the post office? Pulled down with little consultation to make a car park with a steel fence. Great improvement.

I would agree about the town centre, but another s/market is qoing to draw more people away from the centre. Part of the Replacement Unitary Development plan (Policy D6 states pedestrian links should have priority over other modes, including car, as appropriate to the development.). Of course Otley Road will be made so that pedestrians have priority over cars, Oh and Pigs may fly!
I went to Skipton the other day, they don't seem to have any problems with supermarkets. I think it actually creates individuality and creative thinking in local shops. Who has time these days to do a weekly food shop swaning around a variety of small food stores?

The post office collection office was pulled down as part of a UK cost saving scheme, nothing to do with Shipley.
dazpot says: I went to Skipton the other day, they don't seem to have any problems with supermarkets. I think it actually creates individuality and creative thinking in local shops. Who has time these days to do a weekly food shop swaning around a variety of small food stores?

If you were in Skipton, you were obviously swanning around the local shops, so why not in Shipley, we have a fantastic butcher, cafe's etc and other establishments away from the town centre, which could all go if further trade is taken away from them. Skipton is a different kettle of fish altogether compared to Shipley.

Dare I say that a reason for the this could be 1. to get rid of a recycling facility and 2. to leave the proposed Morrison area for the convoluted ring road? I don't know I'm just surmising.
[quote][p][bold]dazbot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bunnyson[/bold] wrote: Dazpot states: live in Shipley and don't oppose this plan. A lot of people I have talked to don't either; Free speech says: I'm from Shipley, As long as it isn't another charity shop, secondhand shop or bookies I couldn't careless. Even the outdoor market has turned in to a car boot sale over the past 5 to 6 years.. We should be trying to get big names in to the town.. and nearer the town centre, the better.. Give Asda a run for its money, after all they are partially responsible for local business closing. Wake up to two of you before Shipley disappears, what happened to the post office? Pulled down with little consultation to make a car park with a steel fence. Great improvement. I would agree about the town centre, but another s/market is qoing to draw more people away from the centre. Part of the Replacement Unitary Development plan (Policy D6 states pedestrian links should have priority over other modes, including car, as appropriate to the development.). Of course Otley Road will be made so that pedestrians have priority over cars, Oh and Pigs may fly![/p][/quote]I went to Skipton the other day, they don't seem to have any problems with supermarkets. I think it actually creates individuality and creative thinking in local shops. Who has time these days to do a weekly food shop swaning around a variety of small food stores? The post office collection office was pulled down as part of a UK cost saving scheme, nothing to do with Shipley.[/p][/quote]dazpot says: I went to Skipton the other day, they don't seem to have any problems with supermarkets. I think it actually creates individuality and creative thinking in local shops. Who has time these days to do a weekly food shop swaning around a variety of small food stores? If you were in Skipton, you were obviously swanning around the local shops, so why not in Shipley, we have a fantastic butcher, cafe's etc and other establishments away from the town centre, which could all go if further trade is taken away from them. Skipton is a different kettle of fish altogether compared to Shipley. Dare I say that a reason for the this could be 1. to get rid of a recycling facility and 2. to leave the proposed Morrison area for the convoluted ring road? I don't know I'm just surmising. bunnyson

3:08pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Albion. says...

bunnyson wrote:
dazbot wrote:
bunnyson wrote:
Dazpot states: live in Shipley and don't oppose this plan. A lot of people I have talked to don't either;
Free speech says: I'm from Shipley, As long as it isn't another charity shop, secondhand shop or bookies I couldn't careless. Even the outdoor market has turned in to a car boot sale over the past 5 to 6 years.. We should be trying to get big names in to the town.. and nearer the town centre, the better.. Give Asda a run for its money, after all they are partially responsible for local business closing.

Wake up to two of you before Shipley disappears, what happened to the post office? Pulled down with little consultation to make a car park with a steel fence. Great improvement.

I would agree about the town centre, but another s/market is qoing to draw more people away from the centre. Part of the Replacement Unitary Development plan (Policy D6 states pedestrian links should have priority over other modes, including car, as appropriate to the development.). Of course Otley Road will be made so that pedestrians have priority over cars, Oh and Pigs may fly!
I went to Skipton the other day, they don't seem to have any problems with supermarkets. I think it actually creates individuality and creative thinking in local shops. Who has time these days to do a weekly food shop swaning around a variety of small food stores?

The post office collection office was pulled down as part of a UK cost saving scheme, nothing to do with Shipley.
dazpot says: I went to Skipton the other day, they don't seem to have any problems with supermarkets. I think it actually creates individuality and creative thinking in local shops. Who has time these days to do a weekly food shop swaning around a variety of small food stores?

If you were in Skipton, you were obviously swanning around the local shops, so why not in Shipley, we have a fantastic butcher, cafe's etc and other establishments away from the town centre, which could all go if further trade is taken away from them. Skipton is a different kettle of fish altogether compared to Shipley.

Dare I say that a reason for the this could be 1. to get rid of a recycling facility and 2. to leave the proposed Morrison area for the convoluted ring road? I don't know I'm just surmising.
People like a change of scene.
[quote][p][bold]bunnyson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dazbot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bunnyson[/bold] wrote: Dazpot states: live in Shipley and don't oppose this plan. A lot of people I have talked to don't either; Free speech says: I'm from Shipley, As long as it isn't another charity shop, secondhand shop or bookies I couldn't careless. Even the outdoor market has turned in to a car boot sale over the past 5 to 6 years.. We should be trying to get big names in to the town.. and nearer the town centre, the better.. Give Asda a run for its money, after all they are partially responsible for local business closing. Wake up to two of you before Shipley disappears, what happened to the post office? Pulled down with little consultation to make a car park with a steel fence. Great improvement. I would agree about the town centre, but another s/market is qoing to draw more people away from the centre. Part of the Replacement Unitary Development plan (Policy D6 states pedestrian links should have priority over other modes, including car, as appropriate to the development.). Of course Otley Road will be made so that pedestrians have priority over cars, Oh and Pigs may fly![/p][/quote]I went to Skipton the other day, they don't seem to have any problems with supermarkets. I think it actually creates individuality and creative thinking in local shops. Who has time these days to do a weekly food shop swaning around a variety of small food stores? The post office collection office was pulled down as part of a UK cost saving scheme, nothing to do with Shipley.[/p][/quote]dazpot says: I went to Skipton the other day, they don't seem to have any problems with supermarkets. I think it actually creates individuality and creative thinking in local shops. Who has time these days to do a weekly food shop swaning around a variety of small food stores? If you were in Skipton, you were obviously swanning around the local shops, so why not in Shipley, we have a fantastic butcher, cafe's etc and other establishments away from the town centre, which could all go if further trade is taken away from them. Skipton is a different kettle of fish altogether compared to Shipley. Dare I say that a reason for the this could be 1. to get rid of a recycling facility and 2. to leave the proposed Morrison area for the convoluted ring road? I don't know I'm just surmising.[/p][/quote]People like a change of scene. Albion.

4:29pm Fri 13 Dec 13

BaildonGuy says...

alive and awake wrote:
allinittogether wrote:
If I were Crossley Evans I'd tell the council to stick the report right up their Arup and take my business and proper jobs to another town. Leave Shipley to a part-time minimum wage future.
Im with Crossley Evans looks like they have been stiched up to me.
Think you're right.

Looking back through the T&A stories the first people to describe the Crossley Evans' site as blighted and polluted were Schenker. City Hall is just reading from the Schenker script. Why are they so close to this developer?

Why do Schenker want to build offices? Haven't they walked around Shipley, it's awash with empty premises, some only a few years old. It doesn't make much sense.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: If I were Crossley Evans I'd tell the council to stick the report right up their Arup and take my business and proper jobs to another town. Leave Shipley to a part-time minimum wage future.[/p][/quote]Im with Crossley Evans looks like they have been stiched up to me.[/p][/quote]Think you're right. Looking back through the T&A stories the first people to describe the Crossley Evans' site as blighted and polluted were Schenker. City Hall is just reading from the Schenker script. Why are they so close to this developer? Why do Schenker want to build offices? Haven't they walked around Shipley, it's awash with empty premises, some only a few years old. It doesn't make much sense. BaildonGuy

4:50pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Bantambhoy says...

BEWARE, Remember poor Bingley. Planning permission given for an existing business site, site sold to major supermarket who have now abandoned the project leaving another 'Westfield' eyesore. Will they ever be brought to book?
BEWARE, Remember poor Bingley. Planning permission given for an existing business site, site sold to major supermarket who have now abandoned the project leaving another 'Westfield' eyesore. Will they ever be brought to book? Bantambhoy

6:07pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Mr Bradford says...

Whichever one the council chose to back would have been the wrong decision.
Whichever one the council chose to back would have been the wrong decision. Mr Bradford

7:23pm Fri 13 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

Mr Bradford wrote:
Whichever one the council chose to back would have been the wrong decision.
we are supposed to be a democracy. I believe the decisions about Bradford should be made by Bradford born people.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Bradford[/bold] wrote: Whichever one the council chose to back would have been the wrong decision.[/p][/quote]we are supposed to be a democracy. I believe the decisions about Bradford should be made by Bradford born people. alive and awake

7:47pm Fri 13 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Bit late on this one, I'm too a Shipley born and proud Bradfordian , poor decision ...not sure of council procedure but surely anyone with half a brain can see the Morrisons plan is far superior. Hopefully Crossley Evans will stay put but it doesn't look good. Mind numbing decision.
Bit late on this one, I'm too a Shipley born and proud Bradfordian , poor decision ...not sure of council procedure but surely anyone with half a brain can see the Morrisons plan is far superior. Hopefully Crossley Evans will stay put but it doesn't look good. Mind numbing decision. bcfc1903

8:33pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Craig1985 says...

Morrisons (cragg road) has the contractors and plans and is going to pay the £40m it will cost to build whereas the other 2 are just property companies who think they've found their next quick buck no store names interested asda has stores there already, sainsburys won't be interested I don't think and tesco has canal road, there's an aldi there too so what's left? I can see this ending in disaster like Westfield. Crossleys will be forced out their yard flattened and dug up then left a mess because no major store is interested. Well done Bradford council is making Bradford city centre an eye sore not enough? Yes crossleys isn't easy on the eye but it's a **** site better than the overgrown mess which will inevitably appear.
Morrisons (cragg road) has the contractors and plans and is going to pay the £40m it will cost to build whereas the other 2 are just property companies who think they've found their next quick buck no store names interested asda has stores there already, sainsburys won't be interested I don't think and tesco has canal road, there's an aldi there too so what's left? I can see this ending in disaster like Westfield. Crossleys will be forced out their yard flattened and dug up then left a mess because no major store is interested. Well done Bradford council is making Bradford city centre an eye sore not enough? Yes crossleys isn't easy on the eye but it's a **** site better than the overgrown mess which will inevitably appear. Craig1985

8:34pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Craig1985 says...

Morrisons (cragg road) has the contractors and plans and is going to pay the £40m it will cost to build whereas the other 2 are just property companies who think they've found their next quick buck no store names interested asda has stores there already, sainsburys won't be interested I don't think and tesco has canal road, there's an aldi there too so what's left? I can see this ending in disaster like Westfield. Crossleys will be forced out their yard flattened and dug up then left a mess because no major store is interested. Well done Bradford council is making Bradford city centre an eye sore not enough? Yes crossleys isn't easy on the eye but it's a **** site better than the overgrown mess which will inevitably appear.
Morrisons (cragg road) has the contractors and plans and is going to pay the £40m it will cost to build whereas the other 2 are just property companies who think they've found their next quick buck no store names interested asda has stores there already, sainsburys won't be interested I don't think and tesco has canal road, there's an aldi there too so what's left? I can see this ending in disaster like Westfield. Crossleys will be forced out their yard flattened and dug up then left a mess because no major store is interested. Well done Bradford council is making Bradford city centre an eye sore not enough? Yes crossleys isn't easy on the eye but it's a **** site better than the overgrown mess which will inevitably appear. Craig1985

9:21pm Fri 13 Dec 13

MontyLeMar says...

This smells very fishy. Reports of this nature by companies of the stature of Arup do not come cheap. How will the council recoup these costs? DB Schenker have already told Crossleys to be off the site by October next year, do they know something already? I wonder if DB Schenker have agreed to pick up the fee? Arups probably asked the council what they should put in the report so really it's the council's views that are in the report. But as well as all that is the odious fact that this council, ably assisted by a remote, arrogant London based consultancy, Arup, is backing a German company, DB Schenker, in their attempt to destroy UK manufacturing jobs and replacing them with shelf stacking jobs. Berlin will be rubbing its hands with glee. A sorry day for a sorry, no hope council. Will someone kindly turn out the light when the last person leaves this sorry city? What a fiasco.
This smells very fishy. Reports of this nature by companies of the stature of Arup do not come cheap. How will the council recoup these costs? DB Schenker have already told Crossleys to be off the site by October next year, do they know something already? I wonder if DB Schenker have agreed to pick up the fee? Arups probably asked the council what they should put in the report so really it's the council's views that are in the report. But as well as all that is the odious fact that this council, ably assisted by a remote, arrogant London based consultancy, Arup, is backing a German company, DB Schenker, in their attempt to destroy UK manufacturing jobs and replacing them with shelf stacking jobs. Berlin will be rubbing its hands with glee. A sorry day for a sorry, no hope council. Will someone kindly turn out the light when the last person leaves this sorry city? What a fiasco. MontyLeMar

6:46pm Sat 14 Dec 13

haydomegan says...

why should crossley evans move they are as much of shipleys history as anyone else and do a damned good job.the traffic at shipley station on mornings , afternoons and evenings is atrocious now so i hate to think what its going to be like with a supermarket that shipley does not need.put the supermarket on the charlestown site where there is more room and less hassle.
why should crossley evans move they are as much of shipleys history as anyone else and do a damned good job.the traffic at shipley station on mornings , afternoons and evenings is atrocious now so i hate to think what its going to be like with a supermarket that shipley does not need.put the supermarket on the charlestown site where there is more room and less hassle. haydomegan

2:25am Mon 16 Dec 13

MrQuinque says...

The Morrisons plan includes major infrastructure improvements and has money in place to start work on the day it is approved, for Christ's sake, Bradford council do the right thing and pick the Bradford firm's proposal.
The Morrisons plan includes major infrastructure improvements and has money in place to start work on the day it is approved, for Christ's sake, Bradford council do the right thing and pick the Bradford firm's proposal. MrQuinque

7:14am Mon 16 Dec 13

Joedavid says...

MrQuinque wrote:
The Morrisons plan includes major infrastructure improvements and has money in place to start work on the day it is approved, for Christ's sake, Bradford council do the right thing and pick the Bradford firm's proposal.
How do you know Morrisons can and will go ahead straight away?
Reports in the Media indicated Morrisons are not doing too well against the Big three supermarkets and loosing bussiness to the smaller supermarkets.
Only a few days ago the T&A reported Morrisons out to save money by suspending the washing of windows.
It is easy to see in their store I use that less people shopping these days.
The council should take good care a Bingley situation does not occur like with Sainsburys. Also the well known Westfield and Yorkshire Forward with the Odeon.
[quote][p][bold]MrQuinque[/bold] wrote: The Morrisons plan includes major infrastructure improvements and has money in place to start work on the day it is approved, for Christ's sake, Bradford council do the right thing and pick the Bradford firm's proposal.[/p][/quote]How do you know Morrisons can and will go ahead straight away? Reports in the Media indicated Morrisons are not doing too well against the Big three supermarkets and loosing bussiness to the smaller supermarkets. Only a few days ago the T&A reported Morrisons out to save money by suspending the washing of windows. It is easy to see in their store I use that less people shopping these days. The council should take good care a Bingley situation does not occur like with Sainsburys. Also the well known Westfield and Yorkshire Forward with the Odeon. Joedavid

12:05pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Andrew_ide says...

Has all the hallmarks of another behind the scenes deal.

Are GMI going to pay to improve the bridge over the railway line as that is a greater issue coming into Shipley from Canal Road than the sight of Crossley Evans.

CE are a company that demostrates big business is still in the area and if recycling is unsightly someone best ask are we going to send it all to landfill instead!

Morrisons plan is the only one to show imrpovements to road infrastructure to access Shipley which is desperately needed, and improvements at the station.

Shoppers do not travel to Shipley from the immediate area due to the traffic problems, without addressing this nothing will ever change
Has all the hallmarks of another behind the scenes deal. Are GMI going to pay to improve the bridge over the railway line as that is a greater issue coming into Shipley from Canal Road than the sight of Crossley Evans. CE are a company that demostrates big business is still in the area and if recycling is unsightly someone best ask are we going to send it all to landfill instead! Morrisons plan is the only one to show imrpovements to road infrastructure to access Shipley which is desperately needed, and improvements at the station. Shoppers do not travel to Shipley from the immediate area due to the traffic problems, without addressing this nothing will ever change Andrew_ide

9:17pm Mon 16 Dec 13

thatsnotmyname says...

Brown envelopes, behind the scene deals, smells fishy...how about this is actually the best deal for Shipley? I bet none of you have looked through any of the development plans or read through the reports.
Brown envelopes, behind the scene deals, smells fishy...how about this is actually the best deal for Shipley? I bet none of you have looked through any of the development plans or read through the reports. thatsnotmyname

11:47pm Mon 16 Dec 13

basil fawlty says...

So justification is based on the number of new jobs? Does that mean that people are suddenly going to eat more? Well perhaps the new jobs created will simply mean that there will be a corresponding number of jobs lost somewhere else. So what's the point?
So justification is based on the number of new jobs? Does that mean that people are suddenly going to eat more? Well perhaps the new jobs created will simply mean that there will be a corresponding number of jobs lost somewhere else. So what's the point? basil fawlty

4:16pm Thu 19 Dec 13

onedtent says...

If Bradford Council has a planning department, why do they need to pay consultants? Do the planners know nothing about the job they are paid to do? It could be that when it all goes wrong, and the Crossley Evans jobs have been lost, with nothing to replace them , the planning department will say that they took, (extremely expensive ), advice and none of it is their fault. Consultants will tell the people paying them exactly what they want to hear, regardless of the realities, that is why their advice is worthless. Of course, the Council could cut out the middle man and get rid of all the planners:- think of the saving.
If Bradford Council has a planning department, why do they need to pay consultants? Do the planners know nothing about the job they are paid to do? It could be that when it all goes wrong, and the Crossley Evans jobs have been lost, with nothing to replace them , the planning department will say that they took, (extremely expensive ), advice and none of it is their fault. Consultants will tell the people paying them exactly what they want to hear, regardless of the realities, that is why their advice is worthless. Of course, the Council could cut out the middle man and get rid of all the planners:- think of the saving. onedtent

Comments are closed on this article.

click2find

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree