New Bradford bus stop ‘is facing wrong way’

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Councillor Geoff Reid pictured beside one of the new larger bus stops in Market Street Councillor Geoff Reid pictured beside one of the new larger bus stops in Market Street

Queueing for a bus may be a very British custom, but it’s proving chaotic at three new city centre ‘supershelters’, according to a councillor.

The extra-long bus shelters have recently been unveiled on Market Street, Bradford.

The Metro scheme, which formed part of a redevelopment of the pavements by Bradford Council, saw the total number of shelters on the street reduced by four.

But the new-style shelters have not proved popular with everyone, especially one which people claim is facing the wrong way and is offering little protection from traffic or the weather.

Councillor Geoff Reid (Lib Dem, Eccleshill), a member of the West Yorkshire Integrated Transport Authority (Metro), said he had been inundated with complaints about them.

He said: “Because the shelters are so long, many people gather at the monitor end of the shelter, not realising that the bus stop is actually at the other end.

“When more than one bus appears at the stop, queuing passengers break ranks and move in different directions.”

One of the shelters opens out on to the road, rather than separating passengers from it, which Metro says will help people get on to their buses when more than one arrives at once.

Unimpressed passenger Elaine Neale, of Idle, said: “The so-called bus shelter has been mounted the wrong way round – open to the elements, not sheltered as it was formerly. Wait till winter comes and as the buses pull up at the stop, all the waiting passengers will be showered with slush.”

And fellow passenger Shirley Harrison, of Eccleshill, said the seats in the shelter got so wet, people could not sit down on them.

Coun Reid agreed this shelter was causing particular concern.

He said: “I have listened to the officer explain the ‘back to front’ shelter. There is justification for it but it took me a long time to get my head round it – and I’m an ITA member. People are worried about the risk of a serious accident when people spill out on to the road.”

Coun Reid said he had written to Metro asking them to equip the shelters with better guidance for passengers.

He said: “Even if it is just for an initial period we need to find a way of cutting down confusion, and occasional chaos.”

A spokesman for Metro said: “As part of the work by Bradford Council to upgrade the area around Market Street, the number of stops was reduced, but with larger shelters provided and the existing real-time display units re-installed.

“Similar shelters have been installed in other parts of West Yorkshire when improvements have been made to pedestrian areas.

“At Market Street, this has meant changing the position of some of the shelters at the remaining stops, to allow the safe, free flow of pedestrians around them as well as to provide shelter for those waiting for bus services.”

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7:39am Tue 10 Dec 13

angry bradfordian says...

I may be being a bit thick, but I still don't understand the reason for the back-to-front design after reading the Metro spokesman's statement, it just explains why it's open to the elements.

It seems pretty obvious to me that everyone would queue at the display end, like people would if there was a timetable there.
I may be being a bit thick, but I still don't understand the reason for the back-to-front design after reading the Metro spokesman's statement, it just explains why it's open to the elements. It seems pretty obvious to me that everyone would queue at the display end, like people would if there was a timetable there. angry bradfordian

7:41am Tue 10 Dec 13

thatsnotmyname says...

Designed by people who don't use buses.
Designed by people who don't use buses. thatsnotmyname

8:04am Tue 10 Dec 13

mad matt says...

thatsnotmyname wrote:
Designed by people who don't use buses.
Exactly !

That whole bus shelter construction is a complete farce anyway because it doesn't offer any shelter from inclement weather.

Money down the drain -AGAIN !
[quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: Designed by people who don't use buses.[/p][/quote]Exactly ! That whole bus shelter construction is a complete farce anyway because it doesn't offer any shelter from inclement weather. Money down the drain -AGAIN ! mad matt

8:19am Tue 10 Dec 13

angry bradfordian says...

thatsnotmyname wrote:
Designed by people who don't use buses.
Designed by people who don't use buses OR remember the fuss a couple of years ago about the non-sheltering shelters on Hall Ings!
[quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: Designed by people who don't use buses.[/p][/quote]Designed by people who don't use buses OR remember the fuss a couple of years ago about the non-sheltering shelters on Hall Ings! angry bradfordian

8:40am Tue 10 Dec 13

eccythump says...

It is quite obviously the wrong way round. The wind whips up this street with some force, even on the most clement day. In the Winter when the wind and snow are howling up there, anyone at the so called shelter will feel the full force of it. Madness !
It is quite obviously the wrong way round. The wind whips up this street with some force, even on the most clement day. In the Winter when the wind and snow are howling up there, anyone at the so called shelter will feel the full force of it. Madness ! eccythump

9:04am Tue 10 Dec 13

CTID says...

I'm not sure the council can be blamed if people are too thick to use a bus stop
I'm not sure the council can be blamed if people are too thick to use a bus stop CTID

10:02am Tue 10 Dec 13

johnhem says...

CTID wrote:
I'm not sure the council can be blamed if people are too thick to use a bus stop
and I'm sure you're the clever one that knows how to use a right handed screwdriver on a left handed screw!!!! I know you are going to say you turn it the other way..... which would be the sensible thing to do with this BUS SHELTER!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]CTID[/bold] wrote: I'm not sure the council can be blamed if people are too thick to use a bus stop[/p][/quote]and I'm sure you're the clever one that knows how to use a right handed screwdriver on a left handed screw!!!! I know you are going to say you turn it the other way..... which would be the sensible thing to do with this BUS SHELTER!!!!!!!! johnhem

10:15am Tue 10 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Hahaha, only in Bradford.

Someone has messed up so excuses are found and a 'spokesperson' wheeled out to make the most pathetic of excuses.

Own up, it's a c0ck up, turn it round, the most valid point is that once gathering slush and snow are there people will be soaked, if they aren't already by being open to the elements.
Hahaha, only in Bradford. Someone has messed up so excuses are found and a 'spokesperson' wheeled out to make the most pathetic of excuses. Own up, it's a c0ck up, turn it round, the most valid point is that once gathering slush and snow are there people will be soaked, if they aren't already by being open to the elements. Prisoner Cell Block A

10:37am Tue 10 Dec 13

yorkshiredude says...

It makes sense for the bus stop to be at the furthest end of the shelter away from the direction the bus is coming from...
It makes sense for the bus stop to be at the furthest end of the shelter away from the direction the bus is coming from... yorkshiredude

10:39am Tue 10 Dec 13

Apollo says...

P!ss up and brewery and the inability to organise the former in the latter comes to mind.
P!ss up and brewery and the inability to organise the former in the latter comes to mind. Apollo

10:49am Tue 10 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

yorkshiredude wrote:
It makes sense for the bus stop to be at the furthest end of the shelter away from the direction the bus is coming from...
It makes no sense for it to be open, roadside.

The clue is in the name, SHELTER, this offers none. Neither from wind, rain, snow or sleet, road traffic, spray from the road.

It is a monumental mess up.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: It makes sense for the bus stop to be at the furthest end of the shelter away from the direction the bus is coming from...[/p][/quote]It makes no sense for it to be open, roadside. The clue is in the name, SHELTER, this offers none. Neither from wind, rain, snow or sleet, road traffic, spray from the road. It is a monumental mess up. Prisoner Cell Block A

10:54am Tue 10 Dec 13

Joedavid says...

Just put a front on.
Is that too simple for the Metro and Council?
Or next we will hear is someone as fallen in front of the bus. Do these people not do Risk Assessments?
Just put a front on. Is that too simple for the Metro and Council? Or next we will hear is someone as fallen in front of the bus. Do these people not do Risk Assessments? Joedavid

11:09am Tue 10 Dec 13

angry bradfordian says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
yorkshiredude wrote:
It makes sense for the bus stop to be at the furthest end of the shelter away from the direction the bus is coming from...
It makes no sense for it to be open, roadside.

The clue is in the name, SHELTER, this offers none. Neither from wind, rain, snow or sleet, road traffic, spray from the road.

It is a monumental mess up.
That's the most baffling bit about Metro's excuse.

If as they say they've been positioned to to "allow the safe, free flow of pedestrians around them" surely the majority of pedestrians will be at the back where the glass wall is rather than at the front squeezing between a bus queue, the bins, a bollard and the kerbside?
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshiredude[/bold] wrote: It makes sense for the bus stop to be at the furthest end of the shelter away from the direction the bus is coming from...[/p][/quote]It makes no sense for it to be open, roadside. The clue is in the name, SHELTER, this offers none. Neither from wind, rain, snow or sleet, road traffic, spray from the road. It is a monumental mess up.[/p][/quote]That's the most baffling bit about Metro's excuse. If as they say they've been positioned to to "allow the safe, free flow of pedestrians around them" surely the majority of pedestrians will be at the back where the glass wall is rather than at the front squeezing between a bus queue, the bins, a bollard and the kerbside? angry bradfordian

11:49am Tue 10 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

""""At Market Street, this has meant changing the position of some of the shelters at the remaining stops, to allow the safe, free flow of pedestrians around them as well as to provide shelter for those waiting for bus services.” """""

Someone stood with a baby in a pram 'in' the shelter would force any pedestrian who chose to 'flow' around them, into the road.

Dangerous, no shelter, plain wrong.

Turn it round, move it to the edge of the road, giving more space for pedestrains behind it, away from the road, safer, added benefit of offering more shelter from the buildings and more of an enclosed space.

Admit to the mistake and rectify at your own cost whoever implemented this idea.
""""At Market Street, this has meant changing the position of some of the shelters at the remaining stops, to allow the safe, free flow of pedestrians around them as well as to provide shelter for those waiting for bus services.” """"" Someone stood with a baby in a pram 'in' the shelter would force any pedestrian who chose to 'flow' around them, into the road. Dangerous, no shelter, plain wrong. Turn it round, move it to the edge of the road, giving more space for pedestrains behind it, away from the road, safer, added benefit of offering more shelter from the buildings and more of an enclosed space. Admit to the mistake and rectify at your own cost whoever implemented this idea. Prisoner Cell Block A

12:39pm Tue 10 Dec 13

yorkshiredude says...

Must be summat to do with the width of the pavement, like on the Headrow in Leeds - they face the road exaclty the same way but on the opposite side, where the pavement is wider, the 'back' bit is adjacent to the road.
Must be summat to do with the width of the pavement, like on the Headrow in Leeds - they face the road exaclty the same way but on the opposite side, where the pavement is wider, the 'back' bit is adjacent to the road. yorkshiredude

12:43pm Tue 10 Dec 13

tallulah says...

a bit like the useless canopy thing opposite the hilton, you get wet through there too
a bit like the useless canopy thing opposite the hilton, you get wet through there too tallulah

12:44pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Not so simple says...

Beyond a joke. Only would happen in Bradford
Beyond a joke. Only would happen in Bradford Not so simple

1:35pm Tue 10 Dec 13

bd7 helper says...

That's why fares are down! Cheap...
That's why fares are down! Cheap... bd7 helper

1:53pm Tue 10 Dec 13

basil fawlty says...

Apart from the obvious faults described by everybody above its also a bit of a monsrosity with an excess number of framing supports, so it doesn't exactly blend into its surroundings.
Apart from the obvious faults described by everybody above its also a bit of a monsrosity with an excess number of framing supports, so it doesn't exactly blend into its surroundings. basil fawlty

2:28pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Biker71 says...

I love how our citys own newspaper can't even get a location correct..

" Councillor Geoff Reid pictured beside one of the new larger bus stops in Market Street "

Er, that's Sunbridge Road I'm afraid.
I love how our citys own newspaper can't even get a location correct.. " Councillor Geoff Reid pictured beside one of the new larger bus stops in Market Street " Er, that's Sunbridge Road I'm afraid. Biker71

2:31pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Joedavid says...

Biker71 wrote:
I love how our citys own newspaper can't even get a location correct..

" Councillor Geoff Reid pictured beside one of the new larger bus stops in Market Street "

Er, that's Sunbridge Road I'm afraid.
Oh no it is not.
It is Market Street.
Specsavers for you I'm afraid. :-)
[quote][p][bold]Biker71[/bold] wrote: I love how our citys own newspaper can't even get a location correct.. " Councillor Geoff Reid pictured beside one of the new larger bus stops in Market Street " Er, that's Sunbridge Road I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]Oh no it is not. It is Market Street. Specsavers for you I'm afraid. :-) Joedavid

2:35pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Joedavid wrote:
Biker71 wrote:
I love how our citys own newspaper can't even get a location correct..

" Councillor Geoff Reid pictured beside one of the new larger bus stops in Market Street "

Er, that's Sunbridge Road I'm afraid.
Oh no it is not.
It is Market Street.
Specsavers for you I'm afraid. :-)
It certainly is Market Street, the Clarke's shop in the background is on the corner of where Carter's toy and sport shop used to be.

What a place that was.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biker71[/bold] wrote: I love how our citys own newspaper can't even get a location correct.. " Councillor Geoff Reid pictured beside one of the new larger bus stops in Market Street " Er, that's Sunbridge Road I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]Oh no it is not. It is Market Street. Specsavers for you I'm afraid. :-)[/p][/quote]It certainly is Market Street, the Clarke's shop in the background is on the corner of where Carter's toy and sport shop used to be. What a place that was. Prisoner Cell Block A

4:44pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

He said: “Because the shelters are so long, many people gather at the monitor end of the shelter, not realising that the bus stop is actually at the other end.

Because it has been installed the wrong way round.

As many excuses as they like can be made, it is quite obviously installed incorrectly. A kid with a Meccano set ( used to be available form Carters) and plans could have ensured it was built correctly.

As I have said above, swallow your pride, admit it is a caulk up and get it right.
He said: “Because the shelters are so long, many people gather at the monitor end of the shelter, not realising that the bus stop is actually at the other end. Because it has been installed the wrong way round. As many excuses as they like can be made, it is quite obviously installed incorrectly. A kid with a Meccano set ( used to be available form Carters) and plans could have ensured it was built correctly. As I have said above, swallow your pride, admit it is a caulk up and get it right. Prisoner Cell Block A

7:25pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Yorkshire Lass says...

Biker71 wrote:
I love how our citys own newspaper can't even get a location correct..

" Councillor Geoff Reid pictured beside one of the new larger bus stops in Market Street "

Er, that's Sunbridge Road I'm afraid.
It is on Market Steet in front of the old Brown Muffs, latterly Rackhams but now Bet Freds.
[quote][p][bold]Biker71[/bold] wrote: I love how our citys own newspaper can't even get a location correct.. " Councillor Geoff Reid pictured beside one of the new larger bus stops in Market Street " Er, that's Sunbridge Road I'm afraid.[/p][/quote]It is on Market Steet in front of the old Brown Muffs, latterly Rackhams but now Bet Freds. Yorkshire Lass

8:54pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Mrs 123 says...

Turning the shelter will only bring the problems you have further up the road at the one outside Waterstones. There you have some passengers sit in the shelter, some sit in the windows and doorways of the empty shops/bars and some just stand in between, all blocking the path for pedestrians. It's ridiculous.
Turning the shelter will only bring the problems you have further up the road at the one outside Waterstones. There you have some passengers sit in the shelter, some sit in the windows and doorways of the empty shops/bars and some just stand in between, all blocking the path for pedestrians. It's ridiculous. Mrs 123

9:01pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Mrs 123 says...

And I should point out that it's not only the passengers who are confused about which end of the bus stop is the correct place to wait. The drivers are just as confused. One Free City Bus driver stopped at the open end of the Waterstones shelter while the next stopped at the monitor end. There was no other traffic so it had nothing to do with space.
And I should point out that it's not only the passengers who are confused about which end of the bus stop is the correct place to wait. The drivers are just as confused. One Free City Bus driver stopped at the open end of the Waterstones shelter while the next stopped at the monitor end. There was no other traffic so it had nothing to do with space. Mrs 123

10:53pm Tue 10 Dec 13

thatsnotmyname says...

Tell you one thing about that street and bus stops, if you smoke and run out of fags just take a stroll down and you'll get your nicotine fix from the air.
Tell you one thing about that street and bus stops, if you smoke and run out of fags just take a stroll down and you'll get your nicotine fix from the air. thatsnotmyname

12:23am Wed 11 Dec 13

mrs walker says...

eccythump wrote:
It is quite obviously the wrong way round. The wind whips up this street with some force, even on the most clement day. In the Winter when the wind and snow are howling up there, anyone at the so called shelter will feel the full force of it. Madness !
I never catch buses from there - but I have tried to squeeze past when the old shelters were there, and the folk waiting completely clogged the path, so I guess that was part of the rationale for turning it around. If you put a front on it, it becomes a secluded space - perfect for those with criminal - or what you might call, er, 'romantic' - intent. I'm not sure what the best solution is: heads you lose, tails you don't win.
[quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: It is quite obviously the wrong way round. The wind whips up this street with some force, even on the most clement day. In the Winter when the wind and snow are howling up there, anyone at the so called shelter will feel the full force of it. Madness ![/p][/quote]I never catch buses from there - but I have tried to squeeze past when the old shelters were there, and the folk waiting completely clogged the path, so I guess that was part of the rationale for turning it around. If you put a front on it, it becomes a secluded space - perfect for those with criminal - or what you might call, er, 'romantic' - intent. I'm not sure what the best solution is: heads you lose, tails you don't win. mrs walker

9:40am Wed 11 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

mrs walker wrote:
eccythump wrote:
It is quite obviously the wrong way round. The wind whips up this street with some force, even on the most clement day. In the Winter when the wind and snow are howling up there, anyone at the so called shelter will feel the full force of it. Madness !
I never catch buses from there - but I have tried to squeeze past when the old shelters were there, and the folk waiting completely clogged the path, so I guess that was part of the rationale for turning it around. If you put a front on it, it becomes a secluded space - perfect for those with criminal - or what you might call, er, 'romantic' - intent. I'm not sure what the best solution is: heads you lose, tails you don't win.
So let's make it face a slush filled road with no protection from traffic if you slip or weather if stood stock still.

No one is mentioning enclosing it, the buildings behind give enough shelter from weather if there is a wall road side and a roof on the shelter, it can still be open so these gangs of criminals or careless lovers don't have anywhere to hide.

By the way, I am a car driver and have been for 30+ years, rarely catching a bus, I have no vested interest apart from knowing this is bad planning. A theme that runs amok across our city.
[quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: It is quite obviously the wrong way round. The wind whips up this street with some force, even on the most clement day. In the Winter when the wind and snow are howling up there, anyone at the so called shelter will feel the full force of it. Madness ![/p][/quote]I never catch buses from there - but I have tried to squeeze past when the old shelters were there, and the folk waiting completely clogged the path, so I guess that was part of the rationale for turning it around. If you put a front on it, it becomes a secluded space - perfect for those with criminal - or what you might call, er, 'romantic' - intent. I'm not sure what the best solution is: heads you lose, tails you don't win.[/p][/quote]So let's make it face a slush filled road with no protection from traffic if you slip or weather if stood stock still. No one is mentioning enclosing it, the buildings behind give enough shelter from weather if there is a wall road side and a roof on the shelter, it can still be open so these gangs of criminals or careless lovers don't have anywhere to hide. By the way, I am a car driver and have been for 30+ years, rarely catching a bus, I have no vested interest apart from knowing this is bad planning. A theme that runs amok across our city. Prisoner Cell Block A

9:47am Wed 11 Dec 13

Joedavid says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
eccythump wrote:
It is quite obviously the wrong way round. The wind whips up this street with some force, even on the most clement day. In the Winter when the wind and snow are howling up there, anyone at the so called shelter will feel the full force of it. Madness !
I never catch buses from there - but I have tried to squeeze past when the old shelters were there, and the folk waiting completely clogged the path, so I guess that was part of the rationale for turning it around. If you put a front on it, it becomes a secluded space - perfect for those with criminal - or what you might call, er, 'romantic' - intent. I'm not sure what the best solution is: heads you lose, tails you don't win.
So let's make it face a slush filled road with no protection from traffic if you slip or weather if stood stock still.

No one is mentioning enclosing it, the buildings behind give enough shelter from weather if there is a wall road side and a roof on the shelter, it can still be open so these gangs of criminals or careless lovers don't have anywhere to hide.

By the way, I am a car driver and have been for 30+ years, rarely catching a bus, I have no vested interest apart from knowing this is bad planning. A theme that runs amok across our city.
Yes I did at 10:54am Tue 10 Dec 13 I said just put a front on.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: It is quite obviously the wrong way round. The wind whips up this street with some force, even on the most clement day. In the Winter when the wind and snow are howling up there, anyone at the so called shelter will feel the full force of it. Madness ![/p][/quote]I never catch buses from there - but I have tried to squeeze past when the old shelters were there, and the folk waiting completely clogged the path, so I guess that was part of the rationale for turning it around. If you put a front on it, it becomes a secluded space - perfect for those with criminal - or what you might call, er, 'romantic' - intent. I'm not sure what the best solution is: heads you lose, tails you don't win.[/p][/quote]So let's make it face a slush filled road with no protection from traffic if you slip or weather if stood stock still. No one is mentioning enclosing it, the buildings behind give enough shelter from weather if there is a wall road side and a roof on the shelter, it can still be open so these gangs of criminals or careless lovers don't have anywhere to hide. By the way, I am a car driver and have been for 30+ years, rarely catching a bus, I have no vested interest apart from knowing this is bad planning. A theme that runs amok across our city.[/p][/quote]Yes I did at 10:54am Tue 10 Dec 13 I said just put a front on. Joedavid

4:48pm Wed 11 Dec 13

mrs walker says...

Joedavid wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
eccythump wrote:
It is quite obviously the wrong way round. The wind whips up this street with some force, even on the most clement day. In the Winter when the wind and snow are howling up there, anyone at the so called shelter will feel the full force of it. Madness !
I never catch buses from there - but I have tried to squeeze past when the old shelters were there, and the folk waiting completely clogged the path, so I guess that was part of the rationale for turning it around. If you put a front on it, it becomes a secluded space - perfect for those with criminal - or what you might call, er, 'romantic' - intent. I'm not sure what the best solution is: heads you lose, tails you don't win.
So let's make it face a slush filled road with no protection from traffic if you slip or weather if stood stock still.

No one is mentioning enclosing it, the buildings behind give enough shelter from weather if there is a wall road side and a roof on the shelter, it can still be open so these gangs of criminals or careless lovers don't have anywhere to hide.

By the way, I am a car driver and have been for 30+ years, rarely catching a bus, I have no vested interest apart from knowing this is bad planning. A theme that runs amok across our city.
Yes I did at 10:54am Tue 10 Dec 13 I said just put a front on.
And I'm explaining that the buildings might give enough shelter to people waiting but without a dividing wall, they tend to spill out of the stop and congregate on the pavement near the buildings, thus blocking the entire pavement. It's bad enough if you're able bodied, but if you have a push chair or mobility issues it's almost impossible to get through sometimes.
[quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: It is quite obviously the wrong way round. The wind whips up this street with some force, even on the most clement day. In the Winter when the wind and snow are howling up there, anyone at the so called shelter will feel the full force of it. Madness ![/p][/quote]I never catch buses from there - but I have tried to squeeze past when the old shelters were there, and the folk waiting completely clogged the path, so I guess that was part of the rationale for turning it around. If you put a front on it, it becomes a secluded space - perfect for those with criminal - or what you might call, er, 'romantic' - intent. I'm not sure what the best solution is: heads you lose, tails you don't win.[/p][/quote]So let's make it face a slush filled road with no protection from traffic if you slip or weather if stood stock still. No one is mentioning enclosing it, the buildings behind give enough shelter from weather if there is a wall road side and a roof on the shelter, it can still be open so these gangs of criminals or careless lovers don't have anywhere to hide. By the way, I am a car driver and have been for 30+ years, rarely catching a bus, I have no vested interest apart from knowing this is bad planning. A theme that runs amok across our city.[/p][/quote]Yes I did at 10:54am Tue 10 Dec 13 I said just put a front on.[/p][/quote]And I'm explaining that the buildings might give enough shelter to people waiting but without a dividing wall, they tend to spill out of the stop and congregate on the pavement near the buildings, thus blocking the entire pavement. It's bad enough if you're able bodied, but if you have a push chair or mobility issues it's almost impossible to get through sometimes. mrs walker

5:20pm Wed 11 Dec 13

vikksy says...

I was on the 612 from the Interchange turning on to Market St. Sat at the front of the bus peering out the front window the crowds swarmed to our bus as one was already there at the stop. Our bus was slowly edging to the kerb and a family, mum with one daughter, and dad with another little one holding her hand. Stupidly he was on the kerb but the girl was on the road. I was panicking as they were inches from the front wheels but the driver was alert to this and stopped short. COUNCIL TAKE NOTE. someone will be killed.
I was on the 612 from the Interchange turning on to Market St. Sat at the front of the bus peering out the front window the crowds swarmed to our bus as one was already there at the stop. Our bus was slowly edging to the kerb and a family, mum with one daughter, and dad with another little one holding her hand. Stupidly he was on the kerb but the girl was on the road. I was panicking as they were inches from the front wheels but the driver was alert to this and stopped short. COUNCIL TAKE NOTE. someone will be killed. vikksy

12:23pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

mrs walker wrote:
Joedavid wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
eccythump wrote:
It is quite obviously the wrong way round. The wind whips up this street with some force, even on the most clement day. In the Winter when the wind and snow are howling up there, anyone at the so called shelter will feel the full force of it. Madness !
I never catch buses from there - but I have tried to squeeze past when the old shelters were there, and the folk waiting completely clogged the path, so I guess that was part of the rationale for turning it around. If you put a front on it, it becomes a secluded space - perfect for those with criminal - or what you might call, er, 'romantic' - intent. I'm not sure what the best solution is: heads you lose, tails you don't win.
So let's make it face a slush filled road with no protection from traffic if you slip or weather if stood stock still.

No one is mentioning enclosing it, the buildings behind give enough shelter from weather if there is a wall road side and a roof on the shelter, it can still be open so these gangs of criminals or careless lovers don't have anywhere to hide.

By the way, I am a car driver and have been for 30+ years, rarely catching a bus, I have no vested interest apart from knowing this is bad planning. A theme that runs amok across our city.
Yes I did at 10:54am Tue 10 Dec 13 I said just put a front on.
And I'm explaining that the buildings might give enough shelter to people waiting but without a dividing wall, they tend to spill out of the stop and congregate on the pavement near the buildings, thus blocking the entire pavement. It's bad enough if you're able bodied, but if you have a push chair or mobility issues it's almost impossible to get through sometimes.
But the reason given here is so pedestrians can flow 'around' the shelter, would you like to encounter the same pushchair or larger person and walk out under a bus?

It is installed incorrectly, no ifs or buts.
[quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joedavid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eccythump[/bold] wrote: It is quite obviously the wrong way round. The wind whips up this street with some force, even on the most clement day. In the Winter when the wind and snow are howling up there, anyone at the so called shelter will feel the full force of it. Madness ![/p][/quote]I never catch buses from there - but I have tried to squeeze past when the old shelters were there, and the folk waiting completely clogged the path, so I guess that was part of the rationale for turning it around. If you put a front on it, it becomes a secluded space - perfect for those with criminal - or what you might call, er, 'romantic' - intent. I'm not sure what the best solution is: heads you lose, tails you don't win.[/p][/quote]So let's make it face a slush filled road with no protection from traffic if you slip or weather if stood stock still. No one is mentioning enclosing it, the buildings behind give enough shelter from weather if there is a wall road side and a roof on the shelter, it can still be open so these gangs of criminals or careless lovers don't have anywhere to hide. By the way, I am a car driver and have been for 30+ years, rarely catching a bus, I have no vested interest apart from knowing this is bad planning. A theme that runs amok across our city.[/p][/quote]Yes I did at 10:54am Tue 10 Dec 13 I said just put a front on.[/p][/quote]And I'm explaining that the buildings might give enough shelter to people waiting but without a dividing wall, they tend to spill out of the stop and congregate on the pavement near the buildings, thus blocking the entire pavement. It's bad enough if you're able bodied, but if you have a push chair or mobility issues it's almost impossible to get through sometimes.[/p][/quote]But the reason given here is so pedestrians can flow 'around' the shelter, would you like to encounter the same pushchair or larger person and walk out under a bus? It is installed incorrectly, no ifs or buts. Prisoner Cell Block A

7:48am Fri 13 Dec 13

Andee says...

Get a car. No Wind, Rain, or breathing in second hand smog from smokers queing for the buses. Much healthier option.

Sorted.
Get a car. No Wind, Rain, or breathing in second hand smog from smokers queing for the buses. Much healthier option. Sorted. Andee

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