'A fifth of Bradford district doesn't want to work' claims new survey

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Searching for a job - but a fifth in the district don't want to work says a survey Searching for a job - but a fifth in the district don't want to work says a survey

A fifth of people in Bradford “do not want a job”, according to figures released by the Office for National Statistics.

The Labour Force survey, a random sample of people aged 16 to 64, found that 20 per cent of people in the district stated that they did not wish to find work.

The survey also revealed that 26 per cent of those questioned were classed as ‘economically inactive.’ The ONS has also published further analysis of the last UK census, revealing that more than 32,000 people in the Bradford district have never been in any form of official employment, the second highest figure in the UK outside London, just behind Birmingham.

Scrutinising the period from July 2012 to June 2013, the Labour Force survey found that 65 per cent of people across Bradford were in some form of employment, but 20 per cent, or a fifth of those questioned, were classed as “economically inactive” and “not wanting a job”.

This group chose not to disclose a reason why they did not want to work, ignoring options such as being on long-term sickness, looking after a family home or being a student.

The remainder of people were classed as either unemployed but available for work, or economically inactive but wanting to find a job.

Meanwhile, the new census analysis showed that 8.8 per cent of residents across the district aged 16 to 74 had never been in any form of official employment.

This figure, well above the UK average of 3.8 per cent, takes into account people who survive on their own personal wealth, the combined income of a family or partner, or those who receive contributions from state benefits.

The total of those who have never worked included a high proportion of women, 13.3 per cent, or more than 24,000, again well in excess of the national average, which is just 5.1 per cent.

Councillor Glen Miller, leader of Bradford Council’s Conservative group, said the figures painted a very sad state of affairs for the district.

He said: “There is a section of people living here who have no intention of working and are quite happy to stay in bed or work on the black economy. Our benefits system should not allow people to do that and the faster they are caught out the better. Some sections of society are getting lazy and seem quite happy to survive on benefits.

“Why should they be allowed to stay at home when the vast majority of people are out at work?”

But Councillor Susan Hinchcliffe, portfolio holder for Employment, Skills and Culture at the Labour-led Council, said: “The Government’s Work programme is wholly inadequate to get the long-term unemployed into work.

“That’s why here in Bradford we’re funding a programme which equips the long-term unemployed to better compete in the jobs market. Through Get Bradford Working we’re funding training, work placements and in some cases wage subsidies to incentivise employers to give people a chance at a job.

Coun Hinchcliffe said the “vast majority” of people who said they were not seeking work were either students, retired, sick or looking after someone in the home.

Bradford East MP David Ward said there were a high number of people in the most deprived communities of the city who lacked the confidence and skill levels to consider putting themselves forward for jobs.

He said: “I think the problem is a mixture of culture and employability. We have a high proportion of people who may not be applying for jobs because they do not have the basic skills.

“We do need more jobs without a doubt, but we also need a skilled workforce ready to take up those jobs.”

Liberal Democrat group leader Councillor Jeanette Sunderland said: “If people choose not to work and not claim any form of benefits, then that is their choice. Those who choose to stay at home to look after families or elderly relatives, for example, should not be used in these sort of calculations.

“Whilst it is difficult for some people to find work, there is no room for those who choose to live off others.”

George Galloway, MP for Bradford West, said: “Unemployment in the Bradford West constituency stood at 12.7 per cent according to latest figures, and I don’t accept that these people don’t want to work. Benefits are getting ever more sparse, and the idea you would want to live on them alone is a nonsense. If jobs are there and they are reasonably paid, it is far better than being on the dole.

“The problem is that we have an under-skilled and under-educated workforce in Bradford, linked to a dearth of jobs. Many people are working on or below the minimum wage, and still have to claim benefits to survive.”

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6:13am Mon 9 Dec 13

The Local Observer says...

Why does this headline not surprise me.....??
Why does this headline not surprise me.....?? The Local Observer

6:49am Mon 9 Dec 13

Albion. says...

Then of course there are those who hoodwinked their way into a permanent state of sickness benefit.
Then of course there are those who hoodwinked their way into a permanent state of sickness benefit. Albion.

7:42am Mon 9 Dec 13

thatsnotmyname says...

" Benefits are getting ever more sparse, and the idea you would want to live on them alone is a nonsense. If jobs are there and they are reasonably paid, it is far better than being on the dole."

What you fail to mention is that they have 'jobs' that pay very well.
" Benefits are getting ever more sparse, and the idea you would want to live on them alone is a nonsense. If jobs are there and they are reasonably paid, it is far better than being on the dole." What you fail to mention is that they have 'jobs' that pay very well. thatsnotmyname

8:03am Mon 9 Dec 13

mr.bradford says...

"the group chose not to disclose a reason"

well here it is. THE MAJORITY OF THESE PEOPLE ARE BONE IDLE.

they do not want to go anywhere in life, they are happy claiming the benefits and spending that on sky tv, scratch cards, cannabis, alcohol week after week, month after month, year after year.. my problem is with those who just do not want to work, those destined and happy to spend a life on benefits. im not a tory, im not labour, but i am a working man and have been all my life and i tell you this.. when osbourne introduced his benefit caps and his conditions that will be introduced for these long term unemployed bone idlers i smiled. and i bet nearly every working man did too. NO MORE SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. for those who genuinely need help looking for work and struggling to survive on the pittance you receive in benefits my heart goes out to you.
"the group chose not to disclose a reason" well here it is. THE MAJORITY OF THESE PEOPLE ARE BONE IDLE. they do not want to go anywhere in life, they are happy claiming the benefits and spending that on sky tv, scratch cards, cannabis, alcohol week after week, month after month, year after year.. my problem is with those who just do not want to work, those destined and happy to spend a life on benefits. im not a tory, im not labour, but i am a working man and have been all my life and i tell you this.. when osbourne introduced his benefit caps and his conditions that will be introduced for these long term unemployed bone idlers i smiled. and i bet nearly every working man did too. NO MORE SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. for those who genuinely need help looking for work and struggling to survive on the pittance you receive in benefits my heart goes out to you. mr.bradford

8:12am Mon 9 Dec 13

What's my name says...

People should be made to work for there benefits cleaning streets picking up rubbish
if they dont want to do sorry you would get no payment.
People should be made to work for there benefits cleaning streets picking up rubbish if they dont want to do sorry you would get no payment. What's my name

8:14am Mon 9 Dec 13

justjustice says...

Under-skilled and under-educated? So what excuse do you have foe those who are skilled and those who are educated who are wanting to work but still cannot find a job?
Under-skilled and under-educated? So what excuse do you have foe those who are skilled and those who are educated who are wanting to work but still cannot find a job? justjustice

8:30am Mon 9 Dec 13

angry bradfordian says...

Not a surprising response from Hinchcliffe. The article says the survey didn't provide statistics on how many were students, carers etc. but she still suggests that it's the reason and then blames the government, because playing childish party politics is easier than trying to solve the problem.
And Galloway believes that these people DO want to work, even though they've answered a survey with the response "I do not want a job"

And even if these are relevant responses from the politicians, perhaps they could explain why we are 3rd in the country only behind the 2 biggest areas in Britain? I can't believe it's just because we have more students, carers and retired people than anywhere else.
Not a surprising response from Hinchcliffe. The article says the survey didn't provide statistics on how many were students, carers etc. but she still suggests that it's the reason and then blames the government, because playing childish party politics is easier than trying to solve the problem. And Galloway believes that these people DO want to work, even though they've answered a survey with the response "I do not want a job" And even if these are relevant responses from the politicians, perhaps they could explain why we are 3rd in the country only behind the 2 biggest areas in Britain? I can't believe it's just because we have more students, carers and retired people than anywhere else. angry bradfordian

8:54am Mon 9 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

angry bradfordian wrote:
Not a surprising response from Hinchcliffe. The article says the survey didn't provide statistics on how many were students, carers etc. but she still suggests that it's the reason and then blames the government, because playing childish party politics is easier than trying to solve the problem.
And Galloway believes that these people DO want to work, even though they've answered a survey with the response "I do not want a job"

And even if these are relevant responses from the politicians, perhaps they could explain why we are 3rd in the country only behind the 2 biggest areas in Britain? I can't believe it's just because we have more students, carers and retired people than anywhere else.
exactly.
its a BRADFORD issue but she chooses to blame central government instead.
we are 3rd for a bradford LABOUR reason!
its ironic its called the labour party when they encourage people to not do any labour!
[quote][p][bold]angry bradfordian[/bold] wrote: Not a surprising response from Hinchcliffe. The article says the survey didn't provide statistics on how many were students, carers etc. but she still suggests that it's the reason and then blames the government, because playing childish party politics is easier than trying to solve the problem. And Galloway believes that these people DO want to work, even though they've answered a survey with the response "I do not want a job" And even if these are relevant responses from the politicians, perhaps they could explain why we are 3rd in the country only behind the 2 biggest areas in Britain? I can't believe it's just because we have more students, carers and retired people than anywhere else.[/p][/quote]exactly. its a BRADFORD issue but she chooses to blame central government instead. we are 3rd for a bradford LABOUR reason! its ironic its called the labour party when they encourage people to not do any labour! tinytoonster

8:57am Mon 9 Dec 13

Whatthejuice says...

Is it a surprise Westfield can't get retailers to sign up when the demographics of Bradford are laid bare every time a survey is undertaken.
Is it a surprise Westfield can't get retailers to sign up when the demographics of Bradford are laid bare every time a survey is undertaken. Whatthejuice

9:07am Mon 9 Dec 13

bd7 helper says...

Free money get it while you can
Free money get it while you can bd7 helper

9:12am Mon 9 Dec 13

Joedavid says...

"Liberal Democrat group leader Councillor Jeanette Sunderland said: “If people choose not to work and not claim any form of benefits, then that is their choice. Those who choose to stay at home to look after families or elderly relatives, for example, should not be used in these sort of calculations."
Yes why are people not on benefits who have chosen not to work such as wives who stay at home and look after their family and live within their own money earned by husbands etc.?
"Liberal Democrat group leader Councillor Jeanette Sunderland said: “If people choose not to work and not claim any form of benefits, then that is their choice. Those who choose to stay at home to look after families or elderly relatives, for example, should not be used in these sort of calculations." Yes why are people not on benefits who have chosen not to work such as wives who stay at home and look after their family and live within their own money earned by husbands etc.? Joedavid

9:13am Mon 9 Dec 13

Cooperlane2 says...

Elephant in the room...how about...
I would like to work/go out unescorted, but the male members of my family wont let me and I have to say I don't want to work or I face the consequences when we get home.
Elephant in the room...how about... I would like to work/go out unescorted, but the male members of my family wont let me and I have to say I don't want to work or I face the consequences when we get home. Cooperlane2

9:21am Mon 9 Dec 13

OLDLAD says...

How about no speaker da english
How about no speaker da english OLDLAD

9:31am Mon 9 Dec 13

Baildon girl says...

Not surprising at all. Im ashamed to admit i have 2 close relatives who have no intention of working, both are on their 4th child and both say they wont work as its more beneficial not to. Help with rent, help with council tax, school dinners/uniforme and all these heating allowences, healthy start vouchers just a few things they wouldnt get anymore.

Personally im proud to be part of a working family my mr works his but off for peanuts and i work part time and still once everythings paid for the month cant afford all these things they can, find it discusting tbh that the people on more benefits getting more than low income families will qualify for these heating grants but we and many others dont it stupid.

People need a kick up the bum, even with all the caps thats come in it doesnt seem to affected the people i know at all either lifestyle or attitude, think is more the government at fault than the people for making it so appealing
Not surprising at all. Im ashamed to admit i have 2 close relatives who have no intention of working, both are on their 4th child and both say they wont work as its more beneficial not to. Help with rent, help with council tax, school dinners/uniforme and all these heating allowences, healthy start vouchers just a few things they wouldnt get anymore. Personally im proud to be part of a working family my mr works his but off for peanuts and i work part time and still once everythings paid for the month cant afford all these things they can, find it discusting tbh that the people on more benefits getting more than low income families will qualify for these heating grants but we and many others dont it stupid. People need a kick up the bum, even with all the caps thats come in it doesnt seem to affected the people i know at all either lifestyle or attitude, think is more the government at fault than the people for making it so appealing Baildon girl

9:41am Mon 9 Dec 13

Scargutt2 says...

Staying at home on benefits is often presented as preferential to going out to work, yet in my opinion that is far from the reality.

A job gives you a purpose in life, provides social contact and can either provide physical or mental stimulation and the feeling of satisfaction at a day's end.

By contrast, the unemployed under class are more prone to obesity, depression and while their benefits may fund their day to day lifestyles, they do not fund holidays, cars, christmas etc. Ultimately unemployment leads to mental stagnation (viz: Jeremy Kyle) and it is encouraging to see that society is now taking a slightly different tack to get people in to work.

Don't envy those who choose to remain unemployed, but do reserve your pity for their choice of lifestyle.
Staying at home on benefits is often presented as preferential to going out to work, yet in my opinion that is far from the reality. A job gives you a purpose in life, provides social contact and can either provide physical or mental stimulation and the feeling of satisfaction at a day's end. By contrast, the unemployed under class are more prone to obesity, depression and while their benefits may fund their day to day lifestyles, they do not fund holidays, cars, christmas etc. Ultimately unemployment leads to mental stagnation (viz: Jeremy Kyle) and it is encouraging to see that society is now taking a slightly different tack to get people in to work. Don't envy those who choose to remain unemployed, but do reserve your pity for their choice of lifestyle. Scargutt2

9:48am Mon 9 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Can understand folk who want to work but can't find jobs, but surely for your own self esteem everyone needs to want to earn a living. Not understanding the mentality of wanting to have a life based on handouts!!!! Very sad.
Can understand folk who want to work but can't find jobs, but surely for your own self esteem everyone needs to want to earn a living. Not understanding the mentality of wanting to have a life based on handouts!!!! Very sad. bcfc1903

9:49am Mon 9 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

O.M.G. I'ts even worse than I thought, thank goodness this coalition is trying to sort it out. I am lost for words, I'm going for a lie down, and maybe it is just a bad dream.
O.M.G. I'ts even worse than I thought, thank goodness this coalition is trying to sort it out. I am lost for words, I'm going for a lie down, and maybe it is just a bad dream. alive and awake

10:22am Mon 9 Dec 13

dellorri says...

Oooooh "A survey said....." So it must be true then, funny how this article doesn't tell you the total amount of people surveyed, it could have been 10 or a 100, in which case, the 1/5 of people it is saying "Don't want to work" could be as little in number as 2 or 20. But they dont want to confuse you with actual numbers, so they'll just abuscate the deal with statistics instead, rather like that nice Mr. Duncan Smith who is being questioned before his peers about the use of dodgy statistics.
"Revealing from the last UK census more than 32,000 have never been in full time work." Ok hands up if you can answer this, how many school leavers did we get that year? how many children were in the town that year, how many disabled in the town that year? they all appear on the census. not one of them unless the disabled are lucky enough to get an employer understanding enough will have worked.

"8.8% in the district have never worked as opposed to 3.4% elsewhere, this takes into account those living on their own money etc." Well you see that figure would be higher, because the government figure of 3.4% quoted DOES NOT take into account those living on their own money, those on workfare, those on sanctions etc. if it did their figure would probably reflect the 8.8% we have.

The amount of people who have never worked is a higher level when it comes to women in the area (23,000), well maybe that's down to a cultural thing, maybe it's down to a mum wanting to bring up her kids and raise them properly. Funnily enough, when my kids were small, My first wife TOLD me she would not go back to work, until they were all in primary school. So I worked my socks of to keep the family, I suppose that would of made her "A PERSON WHO REFUSES TO WORK"

In short people, Yesterday, you had the T&A telling you how badly affected people were by Gideot's Geekonomics, and today, they publish this stupid piece of statistical claptrap, well you know what they say.....
THERE ARE LIES, DAMNED LIES..........AND STATISTICS.
Oooooh "A survey said....." So it must be true then, funny how this article doesn't tell you the total amount of people surveyed, it could have been 10 or a 100, in which case, the 1/5 of people it is saying "Don't want to work" could be as little in number as 2 or 20. But they dont want to confuse you with actual numbers, so they'll just abuscate the deal with statistics instead, rather like that nice Mr. Duncan Smith who is being questioned before his peers about the use of dodgy statistics. "Revealing from the last UK census more than 32,000 have never been in full time work." Ok hands up if you can answer this, how many school leavers did we get that year? how many children were in the town that year, how many disabled in the town that year? they all appear on the census. not one of them unless the disabled are lucky enough to get an employer understanding enough will have worked. "8.8% in the district have never worked as opposed to 3.4% elsewhere, this takes into account those living on their own money etc." Well you see that figure would be higher, because the government figure of 3.4% quoted DOES NOT take into account those living on their own money, those on workfare, those on sanctions etc. if it did their figure would probably reflect the 8.8% we have. The amount of people who have never worked is a higher level when it comes to women in the area (23,000), well maybe that's down to a cultural thing, maybe it's down to a mum wanting to bring up her kids and raise them properly. Funnily enough, when my kids were small, My first wife TOLD me she would not go back to work, until they were all in primary school. So I worked my socks of to keep the family, I suppose that would of made her "A PERSON WHO REFUSES TO WORK" In short people, Yesterday, you had the T&A telling you how badly affected people were by Gideot's Geekonomics, and today, they publish this stupid piece of statistical claptrap, well you know what they say..... THERE ARE LIES, DAMNED LIES..........AND STATISTICS. dellorri

10:39am Mon 9 Dec 13

dellorri says...

Oh and I nearly forgot to say, Those taking the survey, are excellent at asking the questions in such a way, in order to get the answer they WANT. For example..........
Surveyor "OK lets say someone offered you a job on a zero hours contract, at slightly less than minimum wage. WOULD YOU WANT TO WORK?"

Do you see how it's done? present a bad scenario, insert question here, get answer you want here...... WOULD YOU WANT TO WORK? for zero hours contract, for less than minimum wage, standard answer NO, so the answer that goes down to WOULD YOU WANT TO WORK? is NO
Oh and I nearly forgot to say, Those taking the survey, are excellent at asking the questions in such a way, in order to get the answer they WANT. For example.......... Surveyor "OK lets say someone offered you a job on a zero hours contract, at slightly less than minimum wage. WOULD YOU WANT TO WORK?" Do you see how it's done? present a bad scenario, insert question here, get answer you want here...... WOULD YOU WANT TO WORK? for zero hours contract, for less than minimum wage, standard answer NO, so the answer that goes down to WOULD YOU WANT TO WORK? is NO dellorri

10:48am Mon 9 Dec 13

angry bradfordian says...

dellorri wrote:
Oooooh "A survey said....." So it must be true then, funny how this article doesn't tell you the total amount of people surveyed, it could have been 10 or a 100, in which case, the 1/5 of people it is saying "Don't want to work" could be as little in number as 2 or 20. But they dont want to confuse you with actual numbers, so they'll just abuscate the deal with statistics instead, rather like that nice Mr. Duncan Smith who is being questioned before his peers about the use of dodgy statistics.
"Revealing from the last UK census more than 32,000 have never been in full time work." Ok hands up if you can answer this, how many school leavers did we get that year? how many children were in the town that year, how many disabled in the town that year? they all appear on the census. not one of them unless the disabled are lucky enough to get an employer understanding enough will have worked.

"8.8% in the district have never worked as opposed to 3.4% elsewhere, this takes into account those living on their own money etc." Well you see that figure would be higher, because the government figure of 3.4% quoted DOES NOT take into account those living on their own money, those on workfare, those on sanctions etc. if it did their figure would probably reflect the 8.8% we have.

The amount of people who have never worked is a higher level when it comes to women in the area (23,000), well maybe that's down to a cultural thing, maybe it's down to a mum wanting to bring up her kids and raise them properly. Funnily enough, when my kids were small, My first wife TOLD me she would not go back to work, until they were all in primary school. So I worked my socks of to keep the family, I suppose that would of made her "A PERSON WHO REFUSES TO WORK"

In short people, Yesterday, you had the T&A telling you how badly affected people were by Gideot's Geekonomics, and today, they publish this stupid piece of statistical claptrap, well you know what they say.....
THERE ARE LIES, DAMNED LIES..........AND STATISTICS.
The Office for National Statistics is a neutral, non-political Government department full of statistical experts, yet you seem to think you're more of an expert on the subject?

Perhaps you should apply for a job there, rather than bemoaning the state of the benefits system.
[quote][p][bold]dellorri[/bold] wrote: Oooooh "A survey said....." So it must be true then, funny how this article doesn't tell you the total amount of people surveyed, it could have been 10 or a 100, in which case, the 1/5 of people it is saying "Don't want to work" could be as little in number as 2 or 20. But they dont want to confuse you with actual numbers, so they'll just abuscate the deal with statistics instead, rather like that nice Mr. Duncan Smith who is being questioned before his peers about the use of dodgy statistics. "Revealing from the last UK census more than 32,000 have never been in full time work." Ok hands up if you can answer this, how many school leavers did we get that year? how many children were in the town that year, how many disabled in the town that year? they all appear on the census. not one of them unless the disabled are lucky enough to get an employer understanding enough will have worked. "8.8% in the district have never worked as opposed to 3.4% elsewhere, this takes into account those living on their own money etc." Well you see that figure would be higher, because the government figure of 3.4% quoted DOES NOT take into account those living on their own money, those on workfare, those on sanctions etc. if it did their figure would probably reflect the 8.8% we have. The amount of people who have never worked is a higher level when it comes to women in the area (23,000), well maybe that's down to a cultural thing, maybe it's down to a mum wanting to bring up her kids and raise them properly. Funnily enough, when my kids were small, My first wife TOLD me she would not go back to work, until they were all in primary school. So I worked my socks of to keep the family, I suppose that would of made her "A PERSON WHO REFUSES TO WORK" In short people, Yesterday, you had the T&A telling you how badly affected people were by Gideot's Geekonomics, and today, they publish this stupid piece of statistical claptrap, well you know what they say..... THERE ARE LIES, DAMNED LIES..........AND STATISTICS.[/p][/quote]The Office for National Statistics is a neutral, non-political Government department full of statistical experts, yet you seem to think you're more of an expert on the subject? Perhaps you should apply for a job there, rather than bemoaning the state of the benefits system. angry bradfordian

11:06am Mon 9 Dec 13

cab18david says...

Never you do surprise me That's up there with the bears in the woods situation
Never you do surprise me That's up there with the bears in the woods situation cab18david

11:50am Mon 9 Dec 13

koeeoaddiladdi says...

Point of reference.
Do you remember the days when our local newspaper exhibited at least 10 pages of job vacancies every wednesday ?
How many pages now ? 1 ? 2 on a good week ?
Point of reference. Do you remember the days when our local newspaper exhibited at least 10 pages of job vacancies every wednesday ? How many pages now ? 1 ? 2 on a good week ? koeeoaddiladdi

12:01pm Mon 9 Dec 13

angry bradfordian says...

koeeoaddiladdi wrote:
Point of reference.
Do you remember the days when our local newspaper exhibited at least 10 pages of job vacancies every wednesday ?
How many pages now ? 1 ? 2 on a good week ?
They were probably the same days that there were loads more houses, cars & "personal ads" in the T&A.
Most people looking for a job, car or house wouldn't think of the paper as the first place to look in these days of the internet.

People tend to forget that there are currently more people in employment than at any time in our history.
[quote][p][bold]koeeoaddiladdi[/bold] wrote: Point of reference. Do you remember the days when our local newspaper exhibited at least 10 pages of job vacancies every wednesday ? How many pages now ? 1 ? 2 on a good week ?[/p][/quote]They were probably the same days that there were loads more houses, cars & "personal ads" in the T&A. Most people looking for a job, car or house wouldn't think of the paper as the first place to look in these days of the internet. People tend to forget that there are currently more people in employment than at any time in our history. angry bradfordian

12:24pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

This is nothing short of propaganda aimed at stirring up resentment against a section of society. Divide and conquer. I can't say I'm suprised. They've probably got the compulsory identification patch all designed ready for the roll out in the new year. We've had yellow stars and black triangles before, I hope they've come up with something original. A tattoo maybe, they're all the rage at the moment. Not sure IBM still has the tattooists but I'm sure you could find some locally.
This is nothing short of propaganda aimed at stirring up resentment against a section of society. Divide and conquer. I can't say I'm suprised. They've probably got the compulsory identification patch all designed ready for the roll out in the new year. We've had yellow stars and black triangles before, I hope they've come up with something original. A tattoo maybe, they're all the rage at the moment. Not sure IBM still has the tattooists but I'm sure you could find some locally. RollandSmoke

12:45pm Mon 9 Dec 13

collos25 says...

Agreed
Agreed collos25

12:55pm Mon 9 Dec 13

What's my name says...

Some people will never work IE drug dealers, baby factory's, and metal thiefs and what about those who work on the side and there are lots just go to any B&Q,Wicks, Builders yard and you will see them waiting for work outside.
Stop child benefits after the first child, crack down on benefit cheats and i bet there's more than you think.
I just feel sorry for the ones who do want to work but cant get a job.
Some people will never work IE drug dealers, baby factory's, and metal thiefs and what about those who work on the side and there are lots just go to any B&Q,Wicks, Builders yard and you will see them waiting for work outside. Stop child benefits after the first child, crack down on benefit cheats and i bet there's more than you think. I just feel sorry for the ones who do want to work but cant get a job. What's my name

12:56pm Mon 9 Dec 13

BertSanders says...

Is anyone in doubt that the welfare budget needs adjustment.
Is anyone in doubt that the welfare budget needs adjustment. BertSanders

1:03pm Mon 9 Dec 13

allannicho says...

dellorri wrote:
Oooooh "A survey said....." So it must be true then, funny how this article doesn't tell you the total amount of people surveyed, it could have been 10 or a 100, in which case, the 1/5 of people it is saying "Don't want to work" could be as little in number as 2 or 20. But they dont want to confuse you with actual numbers, so they'll just abuscate the deal with statistics instead, rather like that nice Mr. Duncan Smith who is being questioned before his peers about the use of dodgy statistics.
"Revealing from the last UK census more than 32,000 have never been in full time work." Ok hands up if you can answer this, how many school leavers did we get that year? how many children were in the town that year, how many disabled in the town that year? they all appear on the census. not one of them unless the disabled are lucky enough to get an employer understanding enough will have worked.

"8.8% in the district have never worked as opposed to 3.4% elsewhere, this takes into account those living on their own money etc." Well you see that figure would be higher, because the government figure of 3.4% quoted DOES NOT take into account those living on their own money, those on workfare, those on sanctions etc. if it did their figure would probably reflect the 8.8% we have.

The amount of people who have never worked is a higher level when it comes to women in the area (23,000), well maybe that's down to a cultural thing, maybe it's down to a mum wanting to bring up her kids and raise them properly. Funnily enough, when my kids were small, My first wife TOLD me she would not go back to work, until they were all in primary school. So I worked my socks of to keep the family, I suppose that would of made her "A PERSON WHO REFUSES TO WORK"

In short people, Yesterday, you had the T&A telling you how badly affected people were by Gideot's Geekonomics, and today, they publish this stupid piece of statistical claptrap, well you know what they say.....
THERE ARE LIES, DAMNED LIES..........AND STATISTICS.
Looks like your in denial?
[quote][p][bold]dellorri[/bold] wrote: Oooooh "A survey said....." So it must be true then, funny how this article doesn't tell you the total amount of people surveyed, it could have been 10 or a 100, in which case, the 1/5 of people it is saying "Don't want to work" could be as little in number as 2 or 20. But they dont want to confuse you with actual numbers, so they'll just abuscate the deal with statistics instead, rather like that nice Mr. Duncan Smith who is being questioned before his peers about the use of dodgy statistics. "Revealing from the last UK census more than 32,000 have never been in full time work." Ok hands up if you can answer this, how many school leavers did we get that year? how many children were in the town that year, how many disabled in the town that year? they all appear on the census. not one of them unless the disabled are lucky enough to get an employer understanding enough will have worked. "8.8% in the district have never worked as opposed to 3.4% elsewhere, this takes into account those living on their own money etc." Well you see that figure would be higher, because the government figure of 3.4% quoted DOES NOT take into account those living on their own money, those on workfare, those on sanctions etc. if it did their figure would probably reflect the 8.8% we have. The amount of people who have never worked is a higher level when it comes to women in the area (23,000), well maybe that's down to a cultural thing, maybe it's down to a mum wanting to bring up her kids and raise them properly. Funnily enough, when my kids were small, My first wife TOLD me she would not go back to work, until they were all in primary school. So I worked my socks of to keep the family, I suppose that would of made her "A PERSON WHO REFUSES TO WORK" In short people, Yesterday, you had the T&A telling you how badly affected people were by Gideot's Geekonomics, and today, they publish this stupid piece of statistical claptrap, well you know what they say..... THERE ARE LIES, DAMNED LIES..........AND STATISTICS.[/p][/quote]Looks like your in denial? allannicho

1:06pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Victor Clayton says...

The labour government had an opportunity to do something about this when our economy (and the worlds) was booming. We had jobs and we had unemployed. What did they do? Open the door early to EU migrants. The easy (some might say cowardly) way. How can they say they represent the UK working man? I don’t agree with everything the torys do, but I will never vote labour again.
The labour government had an opportunity to do something about this when our economy (and the worlds) was booming. We had jobs and we had unemployed. What did they do? Open the door early to EU migrants. The easy (some might say cowardly) way. How can they say they represent the UK working man? I don’t agree with everything the torys do, but I will never vote labour again. Victor Clayton

1:07pm Mon 9 Dec 13

collos25 says...

Its you who are in denial you are like a lot of simple people who believe everthing if its in print.
Its you who are in denial you are like a lot of simple people who believe everthing if its in print. collos25

1:19pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

BertSanders wrote:
Is anyone in doubt that the welfare budget needs adjustment.
No doubt at all Bert. All these workers that we have got are so crap at making money for their masters that they are being given ever diminishing crumbs so it's got to be someones fault that their masters aren't employing more like them to lighten their workload thus leaving them to fund the surplus out of said crumbs. The frustration is understandable. We are being sold a myth that Britain is a poor country. But it isn't. We are being told we are stupid and incapable of making things. I agree that the welfare welfare budget needs adjustment but it should be upward so as If someone wants to employ someone else then they must compete with the state and offer that worker some reward. Starving people, amusing as it may be to some, isn't creating jobs. People will actually give their time for nothing but only if they can afford to do so. Humans tend to like to have something to do.
[quote][p][bold]BertSanders[/bold] wrote: Is anyone in doubt that the welfare budget needs adjustment.[/p][/quote]No doubt at all Bert. All these workers that we have got are so crap at making money for their masters that they are being given ever diminishing crumbs so it's got to be someones fault that their masters aren't employing more like them to lighten their workload thus leaving them to fund the surplus out of said crumbs. The frustration is understandable. We are being sold a myth that Britain is a poor country. But it isn't. We are being told we are stupid and incapable of making things. I agree that the welfare welfare budget needs adjustment but it should be upward so as If someone wants to employ someone else then they must compete with the state and offer that worker some reward. Starving people, amusing as it may be to some, isn't creating jobs. People will actually give their time for nothing but only if they can afford to do so. Humans tend to like to have something to do. RollandSmoke

1:21pm Mon 9 Dec 13

angry bradfordian says...

collos25 wrote:
Its you who are in denial you are like a lot of simple people who believe everthing if its in print.
So what's your empirical, scientifically compiled information that's more reliable than that compiled from a massive sample size by professional, non-political statisticians?

I know which a simple person like me would believe!
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: Its you who are in denial you are like a lot of simple people who believe everthing if its in print.[/p][/quote]So what's your empirical, scientifically compiled information that's more reliable than that compiled from a massive sample size by professional, non-political statisticians? I know which a simple person like me would believe! angry bradfordian

1:28pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Grumpygirl says...

Statistics! Never rely on a survey until you know the sample size, the exact wording of the questions, and the way the answers will be categorised. It's also worth asking if the survey designer (the Government in this case) was working to an agenda.

For instance, for cultural reasons, we have a lot of ladies in Bradford who are expected to stay at home and do the housework. Would the survey categorise these as economically inactive? If a person isn't working, and isn't on benefits, then what business is it of the Governments?

Coun Miller is a typical Tory. If a working class wife doesn't work it's a disgrace; if a rich man's wife doesn't work then that's OK, especially is she employs a nanny.

That said, this is Bradford, and it's our birthright to be at the bottom of every national league table that's published. When are City Hall going to do something, anything?
Statistics! Never rely on a survey until you know the sample size, the exact wording of the questions, and the way the answers will be categorised. It's also worth asking if the survey designer (the Government in this case) was working to an agenda. For instance, for cultural reasons, we have a lot of ladies in Bradford who are expected to stay at home and do the housework. Would the survey categorise these as economically inactive? If a person isn't working, and isn't on benefits, then what business is it of the Governments? Coun Miller is a typical Tory. If a working class wife doesn't work it's a disgrace; if a rich man's wife doesn't work then that's OK, especially is she employs a nanny. That said, this is Bradford, and it's our birthright to be at the bottom of every national league table that's published. When are City Hall going to do something, anything? Grumpygirl

1:29pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
BertSanders wrote:
Is anyone in doubt that the welfare budget needs adjustment.
No doubt at all Bert. All these workers that we have got are so crap at making money for their masters that they are being given ever diminishing crumbs so it's got to be someones fault that their masters aren't employing more like them to lighten their workload thus leaving them to fund the surplus out of said crumbs. The frustration is understandable. We are being sold a myth that Britain is a poor country. But it isn't. We are being told we are stupid and incapable of making things. I agree that the welfare welfare budget needs adjustment but it should be upward so as If someone wants to employ someone else then they must compete with the state and offer that worker some reward. Starving people, amusing as it may be to some, isn't creating jobs. People will actually give their time for nothing but only if they can afford to do so. Humans tend to like to have something to do.
Lol Starving people

Here he goes again

"theres no jobs", "they are trying to divide us all", "All employers are evil"....etc etc etc etc etc

I'll await the further theories as they always make me laugh
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BertSanders[/bold] wrote: Is anyone in doubt that the welfare budget needs adjustment.[/p][/quote]No doubt at all Bert. All these workers that we have got are so crap at making money for their masters that they are being given ever diminishing crumbs so it's got to be someones fault that their masters aren't employing more like them to lighten their workload thus leaving them to fund the surplus out of said crumbs. The frustration is understandable. We are being sold a myth that Britain is a poor country. But it isn't. We are being told we are stupid and incapable of making things. I agree that the welfare welfare budget needs adjustment but it should be upward so as If someone wants to employ someone else then they must compete with the state and offer that worker some reward. Starving people, amusing as it may be to some, isn't creating jobs. People will actually give their time for nothing but only if they can afford to do so. Humans tend to like to have something to do.[/p][/quote]Lol Starving people Here he goes again "theres no jobs", "they are trying to divide us all", "All employers are evil"....etc etc etc etc etc I'll await the further theories as they always make me laugh Andy2010

1:32pm Mon 9 Dec 13

allinittogether says...

Sad state of affairs when the whole purpose of life is to be "economically active".
Sad state of affairs when the whole purpose of life is to be "economically active". allinittogether

1:34pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work? RollandSmoke

1:39pm Mon 9 Dec 13

BertSanders says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
BertSanders wrote:
Is anyone in doubt that the welfare budget needs adjustment.
No doubt at all Bert. All these workers that we have got are so crap at making money for their masters that they are being given ever diminishing crumbs so it's got to be someones fault that their masters aren't employing more like them to lighten their workload thus leaving them to fund the surplus out of said crumbs. The frustration is understandable. We are being sold a myth that Britain is a poor country. But it isn't. We are being told we are stupid and incapable of making things. I agree that the welfare welfare budget needs adjustment but it should be upward so as If someone wants to employ someone else then they must compete with the state and offer that worker some reward. Starving people, amusing as it may be to some, isn't creating jobs. People will actually give their time for nothing but only if they can afford to do so. Humans tend to like to have something to do.
I do sometimes feel I am getting more ignorant with age and I find your post incomprehendible - it seems to say benefits are not enough and thereby work is not an alternative to state benefit.. That can easily be changed.
Starving people are not a source of amusement. Poverty is very rare in the UK. Less words and more simple prose.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BertSanders[/bold] wrote: Is anyone in doubt that the welfare budget needs adjustment.[/p][/quote]No doubt at all Bert. All these workers that we have got are so crap at making money for their masters that they are being given ever diminishing crumbs so it's got to be someones fault that their masters aren't employing more like them to lighten their workload thus leaving them to fund the surplus out of said crumbs. The frustration is understandable. We are being sold a myth that Britain is a poor country. But it isn't. We are being told we are stupid and incapable of making things. I agree that the welfare welfare budget needs adjustment but it should be upward so as If someone wants to employ someone else then they must compete with the state and offer that worker some reward. Starving people, amusing as it may be to some, isn't creating jobs. People will actually give their time for nothing but only if they can afford to do so. Humans tend to like to have something to do.[/p][/quote]I do sometimes feel I am getting more ignorant with age and I find your post incomprehendible - it seems to say benefits are not enough and thereby work is not an alternative to state benefit.. That can easily be changed. Starving people are not a source of amusement. Poverty is very rare in the UK. Less words and more simple prose. BertSanders

1:43pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Farsley Bantam says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach. Farsley Bantam

1:44pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

BertSanders wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
BertSanders wrote:
Is anyone in doubt that the welfare budget needs adjustment.
No doubt at all Bert. All these workers that we have got are so crap at making money for their masters that they are being given ever diminishing crumbs so it's got to be someones fault that their masters aren't employing more like them to lighten their workload thus leaving them to fund the surplus out of said crumbs. The frustration is understandable. We are being sold a myth that Britain is a poor country. But it isn't. We are being told we are stupid and incapable of making things. I agree that the welfare welfare budget needs adjustment but it should be upward so as If someone wants to employ someone else then they must compete with the state and offer that worker some reward. Starving people, amusing as it may be to some, isn't creating jobs. People will actually give their time for nothing but only if they can afford to do so. Humans tend to like to have something to do.
I do sometimes feel I am getting more ignorant with age and I find your post incomprehendible - it seems to say benefits are not enough and thereby work is not an alternative to state benefit.. That can easily be changed.
Starving people are not a source of amusement. Poverty is very rare in the UK. Less words and more simple prose.
6 million is the figure reported yesterday, the majority of whom are working. I make that around 10% of the population.
[quote][p][bold]BertSanders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BertSanders[/bold] wrote: Is anyone in doubt that the welfare budget needs adjustment.[/p][/quote]No doubt at all Bert. All these workers that we have got are so crap at making money for their masters that they are being given ever diminishing crumbs so it's got to be someones fault that their masters aren't employing more like them to lighten their workload thus leaving them to fund the surplus out of said crumbs. The frustration is understandable. We are being sold a myth that Britain is a poor country. But it isn't. We are being told we are stupid and incapable of making things. I agree that the welfare welfare budget needs adjustment but it should be upward so as If someone wants to employ someone else then they must compete with the state and offer that worker some reward. Starving people, amusing as it may be to some, isn't creating jobs. People will actually give their time for nothing but only if they can afford to do so. Humans tend to like to have something to do.[/p][/quote]I do sometimes feel I am getting more ignorant with age and I find your post incomprehendible - it seems to say benefits are not enough and thereby work is not an alternative to state benefit.. That can easily be changed. Starving people are not a source of amusement. Poverty is very rare in the UK. Less words and more simple prose.[/p][/quote]6 million is the figure reported yesterday, the majority of whom are working. I make that around 10% of the population. RollandSmoke

1:46pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks RollandSmoke

1:52pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks
So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state?

Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks[/p][/quote]So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state? Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last Andy2010

1:55pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks
So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state?

Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last
I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks[/p][/quote]So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state? Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last[/p][/quote]I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded. RollandSmoke

1:57pm Mon 9 Dec 13

basil fawlty says...

What a useless newspaper report and set of statistics! Doing a survey without finding out whether people who do not want a job are students, carers etc is pointless. And presenting these sorts of statistics without comparisons between Bradford and other large northern cities is also pointless.
What a useless newspaper report and set of statistics! Doing a survey without finding out whether people who do not want a job are students, carers etc is pointless. And presenting these sorts of statistics without comparisons between Bradford and other large northern cities is also pointless. basil fawlty

2:01pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Farsley Bantam says...

basil fawlty wrote:
What a useless newspaper report and set of statistics! Doing a survey without finding out whether people who do not want a job are students, carers etc is pointless. And presenting these sorts of statistics without comparisons between Bradford and other large northern cities is also pointless.
I can do the comparison for you right now. It's quite simple really. As we all know Bradford (quite rightly) comes top of every bad 'survey' and bottom of every 'good' survey.
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: What a useless newspaper report and set of statistics! Doing a survey without finding out whether people who do not want a job are students, carers etc is pointless. And presenting these sorts of statistics without comparisons between Bradford and other large northern cities is also pointless.[/p][/quote]I can do the comparison for you right now. It's quite simple really. As we all know Bradford (quite rightly) comes top of every bad 'survey' and bottom of every 'good' survey. Farsley Bantam

2:08pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks
So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state?

Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last
I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.
They do...its called a salary.

And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to.

Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks[/p][/quote]So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state? Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last[/p][/quote]I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.[/p][/quote]They do...its called a salary. And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to. Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work Andy2010

2:17pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks
So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state?

Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last
I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.
They do...its called a salary.

And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to.

Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work
That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks[/p][/quote]So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state? Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last[/p][/quote]I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.[/p][/quote]They do...its called a salary. And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to. Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work[/p][/quote]That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim RollandSmoke

2:26pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks
So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state?

Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last
I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.
They do...its called a salary.

And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to.

Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work
That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim
And no one does. Once again this is just back to responsibility

If you earn very little you should manage on very little...that's basic maths...plain and simple

And dear god...some people are working to earn their employers a profit....well heaven forbid

Of course they do fool...people work for others so that the business or whatever owners earn a profit. That's the way things have been since....well.... all time.

If the employers didn't earn a a profit they wouldn't be able to sustain jobs would they !!! You haven't thought this through have you?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks[/p][/quote]So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state? Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last[/p][/quote]I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.[/p][/quote]They do...its called a salary. And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to. Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work[/p][/quote]That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim[/p][/quote]And no one does. Once again this is just back to responsibility If you earn very little you should manage on very little...that's basic maths...plain and simple And dear god...some people are working to earn their employers a profit....well heaven forbid Of course they do fool...people work for others so that the business or whatever owners earn a profit. That's the way things have been since....well.... all time. If the employers didn't earn a a profit they wouldn't be able to sustain jobs would they !!! You haven't thought this through have you? Andy2010

2:30pm Mon 9 Dec 13

saleemy says...

The place is filling up with immigrants who dont live like most brits and work for less than average pay.lots of employers dont want brits for this sole reason, the immigrants are supplied by agencies and work a day here and there but are fools to believe they have to work their balls of so employers love them as they get more for less.also they sign on but dont care about being found as the jobcentre concentrates on the white people as they find it easier to trace english names on the system.

Brits especialy white brits live in proper homes with families etc or single lives not 4 peopke sharing so they need decent money especialy if they are single.i am single and enquired about a job at tescos the wage for the week is less than what I get in all my bemefits, so I ask this, would you give up more money for nothing to work for less.

I dont smoke, drink or do drugs so I am better off than most in my posistion.yet I would be willing to go work in a job near to where I live, so lets say within 2 miles and for more money.i would be needing at least min of £250 in my hand as single peopke get less credits than oeopke woth kids and I dont have any.

If the gov gave me a cash incentive to work for less abd they gave me a fortnightly top up to make my income more I would find a suitable job but theywould rather give me more money to stay at home than less to work.
The place is filling up with immigrants who dont live like most brits and work for less than average pay.lots of employers dont want brits for this sole reason, the immigrants are supplied by agencies and work a day here and there but are fools to believe they have to work their balls of so employers love them as they get more for less.also they sign on but dont care about being found as the jobcentre concentrates on the white people as they find it easier to trace english names on the system. Brits especialy white brits live in proper homes with families etc or single lives not 4 peopke sharing so they need decent money especialy if they are single.i am single and enquired about a job at tescos the wage for the week is less than what I get in all my bemefits, so I ask this, would you give up more money for nothing to work for less. I dont smoke, drink or do drugs so I am better off than most in my posistion.yet I would be willing to go work in a job near to where I live, so lets say within 2 miles and for more money.i would be needing at least min of £250 in my hand as single peopke get less credits than oeopke woth kids and I dont have any. If the gov gave me a cash incentive to work for less abd they gave me a fortnightly top up to make my income more I would find a suitable job but theywould rather give me more money to stay at home than less to work. saleemy

2:31pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks
So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state?

Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last
I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.
They do...its called a salary.

And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to.

Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work
That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim
And no one does. Once again this is just back to responsibility

If you earn very little you should manage on very little...that's basic maths...plain and simple

And dear god...some people are working to earn their employers a profit....well heaven forbid

Of course they do fool...people work for others so that the business or whatever owners earn a profit. That's the way things have been since....well.... all time.

If the employers didn't earn a a profit they wouldn't be able to sustain jobs would they !!! You haven't thought this through have you?
If the employers are earning a profit then they can afford to reward their employees can't they? They don't seem to have a problem with the boardroom wages being unaffordable.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks[/p][/quote]So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state? Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last[/p][/quote]I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.[/p][/quote]They do...its called a salary. And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to. Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work[/p][/quote]That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim[/p][/quote]And no one does. Once again this is just back to responsibility If you earn very little you should manage on very little...that's basic maths...plain and simple And dear god...some people are working to earn their employers a profit....well heaven forbid Of course they do fool...people work for others so that the business or whatever owners earn a profit. That's the way things have been since....well.... all time. If the employers didn't earn a a profit they wouldn't be able to sustain jobs would they !!! You haven't thought this through have you?[/p][/quote]If the employers are earning a profit then they can afford to reward their employees can't they? They don't seem to have a problem with the boardroom wages being unaffordable. RollandSmoke

2:38pm Mon 9 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks
So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state?

Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last
I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.
They do...its called a salary.

And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to.

Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work
That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim
you should be self employed and work as an excuse maker for the unemployed as to why you cannot be bothered working.
i work for self esteem and to get myself a nice holiday, home and purpose in life.
imagine a life where all you do is get up and wait to go back to bed in a continuous circle?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks[/p][/quote]So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state? Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last[/p][/quote]I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.[/p][/quote]They do...its called a salary. And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to. Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work[/p][/quote]That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim[/p][/quote]you should be self employed and work as an excuse maker for the unemployed as to why you cannot be bothered working. i work for self esteem and to get myself a nice holiday, home and purpose in life. imagine a life where all you do is get up and wait to go back to bed in a continuous circle? tinytoonster

2:43pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Farsley Bantam says...

saleemy wrote:
The place is filling up with immigrants who dont live like most brits and work for less than average pay.lots of employers dont want brits for this sole reason, the immigrants are supplied by agencies and work a day here and there but are fools to believe they have to work their balls of so employers love them as they get more for less.also they sign on but dont care about being found as the jobcentre concentrates on the white people as they find it easier to trace english names on the system. Brits especialy white brits live in proper homes with families etc or single lives not 4 peopke sharing so they need decent money especialy if they are single.i am single and enquired about a job at tescos the wage for the week is less than what I get in all my bemefits, so I ask this, would you give up more money for nothing to work for less. I dont smoke, drink or do drugs so I am better off than most in my posistion.yet I would be willing to go work in a job near to where I live, so lets say within 2 miles and for more money.i would be needing at least min of £250 in my hand as single peopke get less credits than oeopke woth kids and I dont have any. If the gov gave me a cash incentive to work for less abd they gave me a fortnightly top up to make my income more I would find a suitable job but theywould rather give me more money to stay at home than less to work.
They should incentivise you by removing your benefits entirely with immediate effect. You would be much better off in work that way.
[quote][p][bold]saleemy[/bold] wrote: The place is filling up with immigrants who dont live like most brits and work for less than average pay.lots of employers dont want brits for this sole reason, the immigrants are supplied by agencies and work a day here and there but are fools to believe they have to work their balls of so employers love them as they get more for less.also they sign on but dont care about being found as the jobcentre concentrates on the white people as they find it easier to trace english names on the system. Brits especialy white brits live in proper homes with families etc or single lives not 4 peopke sharing so they need decent money especialy if they are single.i am single and enquired about a job at tescos the wage for the week is less than what I get in all my bemefits, so I ask this, would you give up more money for nothing to work for less. I dont smoke, drink or do drugs so I am better off than most in my posistion.yet I would be willing to go work in a job near to where I live, so lets say within 2 miles and for more money.i would be needing at least min of £250 in my hand as single peopke get less credits than oeopke woth kids and I dont have any. If the gov gave me a cash incentive to work for less abd they gave me a fortnightly top up to make my income more I would find a suitable job but theywould rather give me more money to stay at home than less to work.[/p][/quote]They should incentivise you by removing your benefits entirely with immediate effect. You would be much better off in work that way. Farsley Bantam

2:47pm Mon 9 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

saleemy wrote:
The place is filling up with immigrants who dont live like most brits and work for less than average pay.lots of employers dont want brits for this sole reason, the immigrants are supplied by agencies and work a day here and there but are fools to believe they have to work their balls of so employers love them as they get more for less.also they sign on but dont care about being found as the jobcentre concentrates on the white people as they find it easier to trace english names on the system.

Brits especialy white brits live in proper homes with families etc or single lives not 4 peopke sharing so they need decent money especialy if they are single.i am single and enquired about a job at tescos the wage for the week is less than what I get in all my bemefits, so I ask this, would you give up more money for nothing to work for less.

I dont smoke, drink or do drugs so I am better off than most in my posistion.yet I would be willing to go work in a job near to where I live, so lets say within 2 miles and for more money.i would be needing at least min of £250 in my hand as single peopke get less credits than oeopke woth kids and I dont have any.

If the gov gave me a cash incentive to work for less abd they gave me a fortnightly top up to make my income more I would find a suitable job but theywould rather give me more money to stay at home than less to work.
at last, someone who is unemployed and i have sympathy for.
mostly because you are not making b.s excuses.
[quote][p][bold]saleemy[/bold] wrote: The place is filling up with immigrants who dont live like most brits and work for less than average pay.lots of employers dont want brits for this sole reason, the immigrants are supplied by agencies and work a day here and there but are fools to believe they have to work their balls of so employers love them as they get more for less.also they sign on but dont care about being found as the jobcentre concentrates on the white people as they find it easier to trace english names on the system. Brits especialy white brits live in proper homes with families etc or single lives not 4 peopke sharing so they need decent money especialy if they are single.i am single and enquired about a job at tescos the wage for the week is less than what I get in all my bemefits, so I ask this, would you give up more money for nothing to work for less. I dont smoke, drink or do drugs so I am better off than most in my posistion.yet I would be willing to go work in a job near to where I live, so lets say within 2 miles and for more money.i would be needing at least min of £250 in my hand as single peopke get less credits than oeopke woth kids and I dont have any. If the gov gave me a cash incentive to work for less abd they gave me a fortnightly top up to make my income more I would find a suitable job but theywould rather give me more money to stay at home than less to work.[/p][/quote]at last, someone who is unemployed and i have sympathy for. mostly because you are not making b.s excuses. tinytoonster

2:57pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

saleemy wrote:
The place is filling up with immigrants who dont live like most brits and work for less than average pay.lots of employers dont want brits for this sole reason, the immigrants are supplied by agencies and work a day here and there but are fools to believe they have to work their balls of so employers love them as they get more for less.also they sign on but dont care about being found as the jobcentre concentrates on the white people as they find it easier to trace english names on the system.

Brits especialy white brits live in proper homes with families etc or single lives not 4 peopke sharing so they need decent money especialy if they are single.i am single and enquired about a job at tescos the wage for the week is less than what I get in all my bemefits, so I ask this, would you give up more money for nothing to work for less.

I dont smoke, drink or do drugs so I am better off than most in my posistion.yet I would be willing to go work in a job near to where I live, so lets say within 2 miles and for more money.i would be needing at least min of £250 in my hand as single peopke get less credits than oeopke woth kids and I dont have any.

If the gov gave me a cash incentive to work for less abd they gave me a fortnightly top up to make my income more I would find a suitable job but theywould rather give me more money to stay at home than less to work.
I don't believe you. If you are on JSA that is £71 a week then there's your housing benefit what's that about £80? although it doesn't go to you and you'd probably qualify for help if to were working for tesco. 40 hrs at minimum wage of £6.31= £252.40 obviously you'd have some tax to come off that unless you could find an offshore haven and national insurance to pay for any illness that you could later be stigmatised for but unless you're getting a hell of a whack through your council tax benefits you're talking out your bum. Obviously transport costs are a big consideration.
[quote][p][bold]saleemy[/bold] wrote: The place is filling up with immigrants who dont live like most brits and work for less than average pay.lots of employers dont want brits for this sole reason, the immigrants are supplied by agencies and work a day here and there but are fools to believe they have to work their balls of so employers love them as they get more for less.also they sign on but dont care about being found as the jobcentre concentrates on the white people as they find it easier to trace english names on the system. Brits especialy white brits live in proper homes with families etc or single lives not 4 peopke sharing so they need decent money especialy if they are single.i am single and enquired about a job at tescos the wage for the week is less than what I get in all my bemefits, so I ask this, would you give up more money for nothing to work for less. I dont smoke, drink or do drugs so I am better off than most in my posistion.yet I would be willing to go work in a job near to where I live, so lets say within 2 miles and for more money.i would be needing at least min of £250 in my hand as single peopke get less credits than oeopke woth kids and I dont have any. If the gov gave me a cash incentive to work for less abd they gave me a fortnightly top up to make my income more I would find a suitable job but theywould rather give me more money to stay at home than less to work.[/p][/quote]I don't believe you. If you are on JSA that is £71 a week then there's your housing benefit what's that about £80? although it doesn't go to you and you'd probably qualify for help if to were working for tesco. 40 hrs at minimum wage of £6.31= £252.40 obviously you'd have some tax to come off that unless you could find an offshore haven and national insurance to pay for any illness that you could later be stigmatised for but unless you're getting a hell of a whack through your council tax benefits you're talking out your bum. Obviously transport costs are a big consideration. RollandSmoke

3:03pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Sidney4257 says...

Because most of them are bone idle Muslims!
Because most of them are bone idle Muslims! Sidney4257

3:03pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Farsley Bantam says...

tinytoonster wrote:
saleemy wrote: The place is filling up with immigrants who dont live like most brits and work for less than average pay.lots of employers dont want brits for this sole reason, the immigrants are supplied by agencies and work a day here and there but are fools to believe they have to work their balls of so employers love them as they get more for less.also they sign on but dont care about being found as the jobcentre concentrates on the white people as they find it easier to trace english names on the system. Brits especialy white brits live in proper homes with families etc or single lives not 4 peopke sharing so they need decent money especialy if they are single.i am single and enquired about a job at tescos the wage for the week is less than what I get in all my bemefits, so I ask this, would you give up more money for nothing to work for less. I dont smoke, drink or do drugs so I am better off than most in my posistion.yet I would be willing to go work in a job near to where I live, so lets say within 2 miles and for more money.i would be needing at least min of £250 in my hand as single peopke get less credits than oeopke woth kids and I dont have any. If the gov gave me a cash incentive to work for less abd they gave me a fortnightly top up to make my income more I would find a suitable job but theywould rather give me more money to stay at home than less to work.
at last, someone who is unemployed and i have sympathy for. mostly because you are not making b.s excuses.
Absolutely no sympathy from me. He has an absolutely appalling attitude.
He would work but won't travel more than 2 miles! He thinks the government should incentivis him to get off his backside and work! From what I gather he is perfectly able to work and he was on course for a job at Tesco's but he thinks he is better than it so is sticking to his benefits. A total abuse of the system if you ask me.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saleemy[/bold] wrote: The place is filling up with immigrants who dont live like most brits and work for less than average pay.lots of employers dont want brits for this sole reason, the immigrants are supplied by agencies and work a day here and there but are fools to believe they have to work their balls of so employers love them as they get more for less.also they sign on but dont care about being found as the jobcentre concentrates on the white people as they find it easier to trace english names on the system. Brits especialy white brits live in proper homes with families etc or single lives not 4 peopke sharing so they need decent money especialy if they are single.i am single and enquired about a job at tescos the wage for the week is less than what I get in all my bemefits, so I ask this, would you give up more money for nothing to work for less. I dont smoke, drink or do drugs so I am better off than most in my posistion.yet I would be willing to go work in a job near to where I live, so lets say within 2 miles and for more money.i would be needing at least min of £250 in my hand as single peopke get less credits than oeopke woth kids and I dont have any. If the gov gave me a cash incentive to work for less abd they gave me a fortnightly top up to make my income more I would find a suitable job but theywould rather give me more money to stay at home than less to work.[/p][/quote]at last, someone who is unemployed and i have sympathy for. mostly because you are not making b.s excuses.[/p][/quote]Absolutely no sympathy from me. He has an absolutely appalling attitude. He would work but won't travel more than 2 miles! He thinks the government should incentivis him to get off his backside and work! From what I gather he is perfectly able to work and he was on course for a job at Tesco's but he thinks he is better than it so is sticking to his benefits. A total abuse of the system if you ask me. Farsley Bantam

3:05pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks
So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state?

Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last
I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.
They do...its called a salary.

And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to.

Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work
That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim
And no one does. Once again this is just back to responsibility

If you earn very little you should manage on very little...that's basic maths...plain and simple

And dear god...some people are working to earn their employers a profit....well heaven forbid

Of course they do fool...people work for others so that the business or whatever owners earn a profit. That's the way things have been since....well.... all time.

If the employers didn't earn a a profit they wouldn't be able to sustain jobs would they !!! You haven't thought this through have you?
If the employers are earning a profit then they can afford to reward their employees can't they? They don't seem to have a problem with the boardroom wages being unaffordable.
Urm they do

They reward employees with

1) Paid Holidays
2) Sickness pay
3) Pensions
4) Sometimes share options
5) Sometimes Bonuses

and a whole lot more from Medical care, salary sacrifice schemes, associated discounts....etc etc etc

The people at the top actually running the business deserve to be rewarded as they are the ones taking all the risk and living with the stress. More than often these people have worked their way up to the top so your point is?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks[/p][/quote]So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state? Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last[/p][/quote]I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.[/p][/quote]They do...its called a salary. And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to. Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work[/p][/quote]That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim[/p][/quote]And no one does. Once again this is just back to responsibility If you earn very little you should manage on very little...that's basic maths...plain and simple And dear god...some people are working to earn their employers a profit....well heaven forbid Of course they do fool...people work for others so that the business or whatever owners earn a profit. That's the way things have been since....well.... all time. If the employers didn't earn a a profit they wouldn't be able to sustain jobs would they !!! You haven't thought this through have you?[/p][/quote]If the employers are earning a profit then they can afford to reward their employees can't they? They don't seem to have a problem with the boardroom wages being unaffordable.[/p][/quote]Urm they do They reward employees with 1) Paid Holidays 2) Sickness pay 3) Pensions 4) Sometimes share options 5) Sometimes Bonuses and a whole lot more from Medical care, salary sacrifice schemes, associated discounts....etc etc etc The people at the top actually running the business deserve to be rewarded as they are the ones taking all the risk and living with the stress. More than often these people have worked their way up to the top so your point is? Andy2010

3:08pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks
So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state?

Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last
I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.
They do...its called a salary.

And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to.

Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work
That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim
And no one does. Once again this is just back to responsibility

If you earn very little you should manage on very little...that's basic maths...plain and simple

And dear god...some people are working to earn their employers a profit....well heaven forbid

Of course they do fool...people work for others so that the business or whatever owners earn a profit. That's the way things have been since....well.... all time.

If the employers didn't earn a a profit they wouldn't be able to sustain jobs would they !!! You haven't thought this through have you?
If the employers are earning a profit then they can afford to reward their employees can't they? They don't seem to have a problem with the boardroom wages being unaffordable.
Urm they do

They reward employees with

1) Paid Holidays
2) Sickness pay
3) Pensions
4) Sometimes share options
5) Sometimes Bonuses

and a whole lot more from Medical care, salary sacrifice schemes, associated discounts....etc etc etc

The people at the top actually running the business deserve to be rewarded as they are the ones taking all the risk and living with the stress. More than often these people have worked their way up to the top so your point is?
Do all employers offer these benefits? Those that do do they offer them to all their workers or are there some employed through agencies so as they don't have to?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks[/p][/quote]So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state? Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last[/p][/quote]I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.[/p][/quote]They do...its called a salary. And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to. Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work[/p][/quote]That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim[/p][/quote]And no one does. Once again this is just back to responsibility If you earn very little you should manage on very little...that's basic maths...plain and simple And dear god...some people are working to earn their employers a profit....well heaven forbid Of course they do fool...people work for others so that the business or whatever owners earn a profit. That's the way things have been since....well.... all time. If the employers didn't earn a a profit they wouldn't be able to sustain jobs would they !!! You haven't thought this through have you?[/p][/quote]If the employers are earning a profit then they can afford to reward their employees can't they? They don't seem to have a problem with the boardroom wages being unaffordable.[/p][/quote]Urm they do They reward employees with 1) Paid Holidays 2) Sickness pay 3) Pensions 4) Sometimes share options 5) Sometimes Bonuses and a whole lot more from Medical care, salary sacrifice schemes, associated discounts....etc etc etc The people at the top actually running the business deserve to be rewarded as they are the ones taking all the risk and living with the stress. More than often these people have worked their way up to the top so your point is?[/p][/quote]Do all employers offer these benefits? Those that do do they offer them to all their workers or are there some employed through agencies so as they don't have to? RollandSmoke

3:44pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks
So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state?

Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last
I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.
They do...its called a salary.

And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to.

Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work
That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim
And no one does. Once again this is just back to responsibility

If you earn very little you should manage on very little...that's basic maths...plain and simple

And dear god...some people are working to earn their employers a profit....well heaven forbid

Of course they do fool...people work for others so that the business or whatever owners earn a profit. That's the way things have been since....well.... all time.

If the employers didn't earn a a profit they wouldn't be able to sustain jobs would they !!! You haven't thought this through have you?
If the employers are earning a profit then they can afford to reward their employees can't they? They don't seem to have a problem with the boardroom wages being unaffordable.
Urm they do

They reward employees with

1) Paid Holidays
2) Sickness pay
3) Pensions
4) Sometimes share options
5) Sometimes Bonuses

and a whole lot more from Medical care, salary sacrifice schemes, associated discounts....etc etc etc

The people at the top actually running the business deserve to be rewarded as they are the ones taking all the risk and living with the stress. More than often these people have worked their way up to the top so your point is?
Do all employers offer these benefits? Those that do do they offer them to all their workers or are there some employed through agencies so as they don't have to?
Yes most do

And yes MOST temp worker accrue holidays as well
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks[/p][/quote]So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state? Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last[/p][/quote]I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.[/p][/quote]They do...its called a salary. And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to. Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work[/p][/quote]That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim[/p][/quote]And no one does. Once again this is just back to responsibility If you earn very little you should manage on very little...that's basic maths...plain and simple And dear god...some people are working to earn their employers a profit....well heaven forbid Of course they do fool...people work for others so that the business or whatever owners earn a profit. That's the way things have been since....well.... all time. If the employers didn't earn a a profit they wouldn't be able to sustain jobs would they !!! You haven't thought this through have you?[/p][/quote]If the employers are earning a profit then they can afford to reward their employees can't they? They don't seem to have a problem with the boardroom wages being unaffordable.[/p][/quote]Urm they do They reward employees with 1) Paid Holidays 2) Sickness pay 3) Pensions 4) Sometimes share options 5) Sometimes Bonuses and a whole lot more from Medical care, salary sacrifice schemes, associated discounts....etc etc etc The people at the top actually running the business deserve to be rewarded as they are the ones taking all the risk and living with the stress. More than often these people have worked their way up to the top so your point is?[/p][/quote]Do all employers offer these benefits? Those that do do they offer them to all their workers or are there some employed through agencies so as they don't have to?[/p][/quote]Yes most do And yes MOST temp worker accrue holidays as well Andy2010

3:59pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks
So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state?

Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last
I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.
They do...its called a salary.

And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to.

Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work
That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim
And no one does. Once again this is just back to responsibility

If you earn very little you should manage on very little...that's basic maths...plain and simple

And dear god...some people are working to earn their employers a profit....well heaven forbid

Of course they do fool...people work for others so that the business or whatever owners earn a profit. That's the way things have been since....well.... all time.

If the employers didn't earn a a profit they wouldn't be able to sustain jobs would they !!! You haven't thought this through have you?
If the employers are earning a profit then they can afford to reward their employees can't they? They don't seem to have a problem with the boardroom wages being unaffordable.
Urm they do

They reward employees with

1) Paid Holidays
2) Sickness pay
3) Pensions
4) Sometimes share options
5) Sometimes Bonuses

and a whole lot more from Medical care, salary sacrifice schemes, associated discounts....etc etc etc

The people at the top actually running the business deserve to be rewarded as they are the ones taking all the risk and living with the stress. More than often these people have worked their way up to the top so your point is?
Do all employers offer these benefits? Those that do do they offer them to all their workers or are there some employed through agencies so as they don't have to?
Yes most do

And yes MOST temp worker accrue holidays as well
Would you care to pull up some statistics to back up that MOST claim? We all love statistics on here. I would assume that those who do look after their employees are doing so because they see it as good business practice which promotes better productivity and better staff retention thus reducing training costs as would be the case with a greater turnover of staff? Why are those who are operating with good business practices not more vocal in their criticism of those employing more exploitative practices to give them an unfair competitive edge?.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks[/p][/quote]So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state? Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last[/p][/quote]I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.[/p][/quote]They do...its called a salary. And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to. Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work[/p][/quote]That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim[/p][/quote]And no one does. Once again this is just back to responsibility If you earn very little you should manage on very little...that's basic maths...plain and simple And dear god...some people are working to earn their employers a profit....well heaven forbid Of course they do fool...people work for others so that the business or whatever owners earn a profit. That's the way things have been since....well.... all time. If the employers didn't earn a a profit they wouldn't be able to sustain jobs would they !!! You haven't thought this through have you?[/p][/quote]If the employers are earning a profit then they can afford to reward their employees can't they? They don't seem to have a problem with the boardroom wages being unaffordable.[/p][/quote]Urm they do They reward employees with 1) Paid Holidays 2) Sickness pay 3) Pensions 4) Sometimes share options 5) Sometimes Bonuses and a whole lot more from Medical care, salary sacrifice schemes, associated discounts....etc etc etc The people at the top actually running the business deserve to be rewarded as they are the ones taking all the risk and living with the stress. More than often these people have worked their way up to the top so your point is?[/p][/quote]Do all employers offer these benefits? Those that do do they offer them to all their workers or are there some employed through agencies so as they don't have to?[/p][/quote]Yes most do And yes MOST temp worker accrue holidays as well[/p][/quote]Would you care to pull up some statistics to back up that MOST claim? We all love statistics on here. I would assume that those who do look after their employees are doing so because they see it as good business practice which promotes better productivity and better staff retention thus reducing training costs as would be the case with a greater turnover of staff? Why are those who are operating with good business practices not more vocal in their criticism of those employing more exploitative practices to give them an unfair competitive edge?. RollandSmoke

4:03pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Rambo says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
Also it gives you value in life.

I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable.

About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example.

Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking.

But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday.

Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]Also it gives you value in life. I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable. About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example. Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking. But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday. Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are. Rambo

4:04pm Mon 9 Dec 13

nowt fresh says...

The Local Observer wrote:
Why does this headline not surprise me.....??
The headline does suprise me The Local Observer I would have thought the figure would have been well above "a fifth", just got to love Gorgeous George's comment re “The problem is that we have an under-skilled and under-educated workforce in Bradford" no doubt refering to his constituants in West Bradford, now that doesn't suprise me one bit, and one thing for sure it aint gonna get better in the future, "Pitty Poor Bradford".
[quote][p][bold]The Local Observer[/bold] wrote: Why does this headline not surprise me.....??[/p][/quote]The headline does suprise me The Local Observer I would have thought the figure would have been well above "a fifth", just got to love Gorgeous George's comment re “The problem is that we have an under-skilled and under-educated workforce in Bradford" no doubt refering to his constituants in West Bradford, now that doesn't suprise me one bit, and one thing for sure it aint gonna get better in the future, "Pitty Poor Bradford". nowt fresh

4:10pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Bone_idle18 says...

collos25 wrote:
Its you who are in denial you are like a lot of simple people who believe everthing if its in print.
I don't believe you, and you're in print :)
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: Its you who are in denial you are like a lot of simple people who believe everthing if its in print.[/p][/quote]I don't believe you, and you're in print :) Bone_idle18

4:13pm Mon 9 Dec 13

allinittogether says...

Rambo wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
Also it gives you value in life.

I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable.

About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example.

Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking.

But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday.

Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are.
You best hope the product you work on can't be ripped off like the software you're so proud of pirating or you might soon be out of a job.
[quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]Also it gives you value in life. I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable. About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example. Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking. But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday. Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are.[/p][/quote]You best hope the product you work on can't be ripped off like the software you're so proud of pirating or you might soon be out of a job. allinittogether

4:13pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Yorkshire Lass says...

Unless Bradford gets people coming out of education with good qualifications, this system will go on forever. C'mon people, we all know that Bradford is at the bottom of the pile for education and that hasn't changed in years. So don't blame the people who are sat back getting a lot of money in benefits because at the end of the day they never had a chance in the education league. If you can barely read or write after years being "educated" surely that is down to the teachers/head teachers etc, who are the other end of the spectrum i.e. getting paid very highly for failure. Maybe the so called experts should start here when trying to ask for "reasons why".
Unless Bradford gets people coming out of education with good qualifications, this system will go on forever. C'mon people, we all know that Bradford is at the bottom of the pile for education and that hasn't changed in years. So don't blame the people who are sat back getting a lot of money in benefits because at the end of the day they never had a chance in the education league. If you can barely read or write after years being "educated" surely that is down to the teachers/head teachers etc, who are the other end of the spectrum i.e. getting paid very highly for failure. Maybe the so called experts should start here when trying to ask for "reasons why". Yorkshire Lass

4:19pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Bone_idle18 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks
So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state?

Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last
I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.
They do...its called a salary.

And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to.

Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work
That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim
Give the anti-Semitic comments a rest will you. This has nothing to do with Israel!
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks[/p][/quote]So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state? Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last[/p][/quote]I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.[/p][/quote]They do...its called a salary. And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to. Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work[/p][/quote]That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim[/p][/quote]Give the anti-Semitic comments a rest will you. This has nothing to do with Israel! Bone_idle18

4:27pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks
So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state?

Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last
I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.
They do...its called a salary.

And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to.

Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work
That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim
And no one does. Once again this is just back to responsibility

If you earn very little you should manage on very little...that's basic maths...plain and simple

And dear god...some people are working to earn their employers a profit....well heaven forbid

Of course they do fool...people work for others so that the business or whatever owners earn a profit. That's the way things have been since....well.... all time.

If the employers didn't earn a a profit they wouldn't be able to sustain jobs would they !!! You haven't thought this through have you?
If the employers are earning a profit then they can afford to reward their employees can't they? They don't seem to have a problem with the boardroom wages being unaffordable.
Urm they do

They reward employees with

1) Paid Holidays
2) Sickness pay
3) Pensions
4) Sometimes share options
5) Sometimes Bonuses

and a whole lot more from Medical care, salary sacrifice schemes, associated discounts....etc etc etc

The people at the top actually running the business deserve to be rewarded as they are the ones taking all the risk and living with the stress. More than often these people have worked their way up to the top so your point is?
Do all employers offer these benefits? Those that do do they offer them to all their workers or are there some employed through agencies so as they don't have to?
Yes most do

And yes MOST temp worker accrue holidays as well
Would you care to pull up some statistics to back up that MOST claim? We all love statistics on here. I would assume that those who do look after their employees are doing so because they see it as good business practice which promotes better productivity and better staff retention thus reducing training costs as would be the case with a greater turnover of staff? Why are those who are operating with good business practices not more vocal in their criticism of those employing more exploitative practices to give them an unfair competitive edge?.
Because good businesses who engage with their employees dont need to shout it from the rooftops. They know all of the above gives them a whole raft of benefits and in turn leads to a happier workforce.

Ultimately any businesses that as you put it "exploit" their staff (although what you mean is they dont get paid as well as others) wont go very far in the scheme of things.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]So we agree that this survey is Bullsh!t. Thanks[/p][/quote]So you agree that everyone should work and pay there own way through life looking after themselves and their families without the help of the state? Thanks...you have changed your tune....at long last[/p][/quote]I think in an age of automised industry no-one should be forced to work and those that do should be rewarded.[/p][/quote]They do...its called a salary. And there could have a lot more of it if it wasn't for those that refuse to work or make every excuse under the sun not to. Strange as it may seem its called "Personal Responsibility" and because of the benefit system this has been eroded over the past few years. Hopefully now that cut backs are taking place it might inspire a few to take some responsibility for their own lives and get out to work[/p][/quote]That work must pay enough to enable them to take responsibility for their own life, they shouldn't just be there to make money for someone else. They shouldn't be kept in a state where they are unable to obtain financial security and be forced into debt to one again make money for someone else. No one should ever need to be going to a payday lender because they haven't enough to get through from one week to the next. We are not Goyim[/p][/quote]And no one does. Once again this is just back to responsibility If you earn very little you should manage on very little...that's basic maths...plain and simple And dear god...some people are working to earn their employers a profit....well heaven forbid Of course they do fool...people work for others so that the business or whatever owners earn a profit. That's the way things have been since....well.... all time. If the employers didn't earn a a profit they wouldn't be able to sustain jobs would they !!! You haven't thought this through have you?[/p][/quote]If the employers are earning a profit then they can afford to reward their employees can't they? They don't seem to have a problem with the boardroom wages being unaffordable.[/p][/quote]Urm they do They reward employees with 1) Paid Holidays 2) Sickness pay 3) Pensions 4) Sometimes share options 5) Sometimes Bonuses and a whole lot more from Medical care, salary sacrifice schemes, associated discounts....etc etc etc The people at the top actually running the business deserve to be rewarded as they are the ones taking all the risk and living with the stress. More than often these people have worked their way up to the top so your point is?[/p][/quote]Do all employers offer these benefits? Those that do do they offer them to all their workers or are there some employed through agencies so as they don't have to?[/p][/quote]Yes most do And yes MOST temp worker accrue holidays as well[/p][/quote]Would you care to pull up some statistics to back up that MOST claim? We all love statistics on here. I would assume that those who do look after their employees are doing so because they see it as good business practice which promotes better productivity and better staff retention thus reducing training costs as would be the case with a greater turnover of staff? Why are those who are operating with good business practices not more vocal in their criticism of those employing more exploitative practices to give them an unfair competitive edge?.[/p][/quote]Because good businesses who engage with their employees dont need to shout it from the rooftops. They know all of the above gives them a whole raft of benefits and in turn leads to a happier workforce. Ultimately any businesses that as you put it "exploit" their staff (although what you mean is they dont get paid as well as others) wont go very far in the scheme of things. Andy2010

4:29pm Mon 9 Dec 13

vikkifizz says...

Part of the 'no SS brigade no doubt. I would hazard a guess that if most of these people that don't want to work were, say, still in their own country it is either have the confidence to go and ask for work or starve - not too difficult is it and if it is the layabout lot that we usually come across then maybe a little cut in benefits would do the trick and force them to actually go out and get a job that would pay more than the benefits
Part of the 'no SS brigade no doubt. I would hazard a guess that if most of these people that don't want to work were, say, still in their own country it is either have the confidence to go and ask for work or starve - not too difficult is it and if it is the layabout lot that we usually come across then maybe a little cut in benefits would do the trick and force them to actually go out and get a job that would pay more than the benefits vikkifizz

4:34pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Rambo wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
Also it gives you value in life.

I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable.

About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example.

Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking.

But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday.

Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are.
I'm blaming the system others are defending it. I know my reasons for blaming the system but others seem to struggle to explain why they support it. A glass of water is more valuable than diamonds or gold if you need a drink. Values are for each individual to decide not something to be imposed. Yes I'll call you lucky because you have remained in good health and found opportunity. Not everyone's so lucky. For some the situation can't be changed by trying to motivate them with the stick. The safety net was there when you needed it. It shouldn't have rats nibbling away at the ropes and taking sections of it away. I don't need to better myself. I have my own values and perception of what has worth and that makes me a richer man than many.
[quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]Also it gives you value in life. I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable. About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example. Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking. But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday. Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are.[/p][/quote]I'm blaming the system others are defending it. I know my reasons for blaming the system but others seem to struggle to explain why they support it. A glass of water is more valuable than diamonds or gold if you need a drink. Values are for each individual to decide not something to be imposed. Yes I'll call you lucky because you have remained in good health and found opportunity. Not everyone's so lucky. For some the situation can't be changed by trying to motivate them with the stick. The safety net was there when you needed it. It shouldn't have rats nibbling away at the ropes and taking sections of it away. I don't need to better myself. I have my own values and perception of what has worth and that makes me a richer man than many. RollandSmoke

4:40pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Rambo says...

allinittogether wrote:
Rambo wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
Also it gives you value in life.

I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable.

About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example.

Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking.

But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday.

Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are.
You best hope the product you work on can't be ripped off like the software you're so proud of pirating or you might soon be out of a job.
Lololol no danger of that, not even by the Chinese.
[quote][p][bold]allinittogether[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]Also it gives you value in life. I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable. About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example. Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking. But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday. Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are.[/p][/quote]You best hope the product you work on can't be ripped off like the software you're so proud of pirating or you might soon be out of a job.[/p][/quote]Lololol no danger of that, not even by the Chinese. Rambo

4:40pm Mon 9 Dec 13

bd7 helper says...

tinytoonster wrote:
saleemy wrote:
The place is filling up with immigrants who dont live like most brits and work for less than average pay.lots of employers dont want brits for this sole reason, the immigrants are supplied by agencies and work a day here and there but are fools to believe they have to work their balls of so employers love them as they get more for less.also they sign on but dont care about being found as the jobcentre concentrates on the white people as they find it easier to trace english names on the system.

Brits especialy white brits live in proper homes with families etc or single lives not 4 peopke sharing so they need decent money especialy if they are single.i am single and enquired about a job at tescos the wage for the week is less than what I get in all my bemefits, so I ask this, would you give up more money for nothing to work for less.

I dont smoke, drink or do drugs so I am better off than most in my posistion.yet I would be willing to go work in a job near to where I live, so lets say within 2 miles and for more money.i would be needing at least min of £250 in my hand as single peopke get less credits than oeopke woth kids and I dont have any.

If the gov gave me a cash incentive to work for less abd they gave me a fortnightly top up to make my income more I would find a suitable job but theywould rather give me more money to stay at home than less to work.
at last, someone who is unemployed and i have sympathy for.
mostly because you are not making b.s excuses.
Stop lying
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saleemy[/bold] wrote: The place is filling up with immigrants who dont live like most brits and work for less than average pay.lots of employers dont want brits for this sole reason, the immigrants are supplied by agencies and work a day here and there but are fools to believe they have to work their balls of so employers love them as they get more for less.also they sign on but dont care about being found as the jobcentre concentrates on the white people as they find it easier to trace english names on the system. Brits especialy white brits live in proper homes with families etc or single lives not 4 peopke sharing so they need decent money especialy if they are single.i am single and enquired about a job at tescos the wage for the week is less than what I get in all my bemefits, so I ask this, would you give up more money for nothing to work for less. I dont smoke, drink or do drugs so I am better off than most in my posistion.yet I would be willing to go work in a job near to where I live, so lets say within 2 miles and for more money.i would be needing at least min of £250 in my hand as single peopke get less credits than oeopke woth kids and I dont have any. If the gov gave me a cash incentive to work for less abd they gave me a fortnightly top up to make my income more I would find a suitable job but theywould rather give me more money to stay at home than less to work.[/p][/quote]at last, someone who is unemployed and i have sympathy for. mostly because you are not making b.s excuses.[/p][/quote]Stop lying bd7 helper

4:49pm Mon 9 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

Seems to me that most people go to pay day lenders primary to furnish payments of other debts. Does that sound familiar Brown, Balls et al you now them Rev Flowers mates. They need to practice that well known adage
"Cut your cloth accordingly".
Seems to me that most people go to pay day lenders primary to furnish payments of other debts. Does that sound familiar Brown, Balls et al you now them Rev Flowers mates. They need to practice that well known adage "Cut your cloth accordingly". alive and awake

4:50pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Rambo wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
Also it gives you value in life.

I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable.

About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example.

Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking.

But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday.

Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are.
I'm blaming the system others are defending it. I know my reasons for blaming the system but others seem to struggle to explain why they support it. A glass of water is more valuable than diamonds or gold if you need a drink. Values are for each individual to decide not something to be imposed. Yes I'll call you lucky because you have remained in good health and found opportunity. Not everyone's so lucky. For some the situation can't be changed by trying to motivate them with the stick. The safety net was there when you needed it. It shouldn't have rats nibbling away at the ropes and taking sections of it away. I don't need to better myself. I have my own values and perception of what has worth and that makes me a richer man than many.
Which is all well and good but why should others pay for your upkeep forever to make you a "richer man".

Why should the workers have to toil to work everyday dealing with stress and a whole raft of illnesses etc to ensure our taxes are paid only for people that want to "enrich" themselves to sit around doing nothing.

Of course everyone agrees with Welfare as it is there to help those who fall on hard times for a short period of time. It isn't there as a career choice or at least it shouldn't be.

I would quite gladly sit around at home all day everyday, browsing forums and watching tv but alas I have bills to pay which in turn enables me to certain luxuries in life that my family and myself enjoy such as holidays etc.

Its not about who is better etc etc its about quite plain and simple pulling your weight and chipping in like the rest of us

BTW I know you have disability issues and have a bee in your bonnet about that so this applies to the majority which actually don't and just cant be bothered.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]Also it gives you value in life. I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable. About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example. Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking. But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday. Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are.[/p][/quote]I'm blaming the system others are defending it. I know my reasons for blaming the system but others seem to struggle to explain why they support it. A glass of water is more valuable than diamonds or gold if you need a drink. Values are for each individual to decide not something to be imposed. Yes I'll call you lucky because you have remained in good health and found opportunity. Not everyone's so lucky. For some the situation can't be changed by trying to motivate them with the stick. The safety net was there when you needed it. It shouldn't have rats nibbling away at the ropes and taking sections of it away. I don't need to better myself. I have my own values and perception of what has worth and that makes me a richer man than many.[/p][/quote]Which is all well and good but why should others pay for your upkeep forever to make you a "richer man". Why should the workers have to toil to work everyday dealing with stress and a whole raft of illnesses etc to ensure our taxes are paid only for people that want to "enrich" themselves to sit around doing nothing. Of course everyone agrees with Welfare as it is there to help those who fall on hard times for a short period of time. It isn't there as a career choice or at least it shouldn't be. I would quite gladly sit around at home all day everyday, browsing forums and watching tv but alas I have bills to pay which in turn enables me to certain luxuries in life that my family and myself enjoy such as holidays etc. Its not about who is better etc etc its about quite plain and simple pulling your weight and chipping in like the rest of us BTW I know you have disability issues and have a bee in your bonnet about that so this applies to the majority which actually don't and just cant be bothered. Andy2010

5:10pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Rambo wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
Also it gives you value in life.

I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable.

About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example.

Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking.

But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday.

Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are.
I'm blaming the system others are defending it. I know my reasons for blaming the system but others seem to struggle to explain why they support it. A glass of water is more valuable than diamonds or gold if you need a drink. Values are for each individual to decide not something to be imposed. Yes I'll call you lucky because you have remained in good health and found opportunity. Not everyone's so lucky. For some the situation can't be changed by trying to motivate them with the stick. The safety net was there when you needed it. It shouldn't have rats nibbling away at the ropes and taking sections of it away. I don't need to better myself. I have my own values and perception of what has worth and that makes me a richer man than many.
Which is all well and good but why should others pay for your upkeep forever to make you a "richer man".

Why should the workers have to toil to work everyday dealing with stress and a whole raft of illnesses etc to ensure our taxes are paid only for people that want to "enrich" themselves to sit around doing nothing.

Of course everyone agrees with Welfare as it is there to help those who fall on hard times for a short period of time. It isn't there as a career choice or at least it shouldn't be.

I would quite gladly sit around at home all day everyday, browsing forums and watching tv but alas I have bills to pay which in turn enables me to certain luxuries in life that my family and myself enjoy such as holidays etc.

Its not about who is better etc etc its about quite plain and simple pulling your weight and chipping in like the rest of us

BTW I know you have disability issues and have a bee in your bonnet about that so this applies to the majority which actually don't and just cant be bothered.
They shouldn't. it's the corporations that are making the profits. If taxed appropriately with real enforcement we could easily set the starting rate for tax much higher. Unless someone is receiving a living wage it is stupid from the point of view of administration costs alone to be taxing them whilst at the same time handing them benefits. Once over the living wage you are getting more than is required so a level of taxation is justifiable.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]Also it gives you value in life. I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable. About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example. Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking. But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday. Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are.[/p][/quote]I'm blaming the system others are defending it. I know my reasons for blaming the system but others seem to struggle to explain why they support it. A glass of water is more valuable than diamonds or gold if you need a drink. Values are for each individual to decide not something to be imposed. Yes I'll call you lucky because you have remained in good health and found opportunity. Not everyone's so lucky. For some the situation can't be changed by trying to motivate them with the stick. The safety net was there when you needed it. It shouldn't have rats nibbling away at the ropes and taking sections of it away. I don't need to better myself. I have my own values and perception of what has worth and that makes me a richer man than many.[/p][/quote]Which is all well and good but why should others pay for your upkeep forever to make you a "richer man". Why should the workers have to toil to work everyday dealing with stress and a whole raft of illnesses etc to ensure our taxes are paid only for people that want to "enrich" themselves to sit around doing nothing. Of course everyone agrees with Welfare as it is there to help those who fall on hard times for a short period of time. It isn't there as a career choice or at least it shouldn't be. I would quite gladly sit around at home all day everyday, browsing forums and watching tv but alas I have bills to pay which in turn enables me to certain luxuries in life that my family and myself enjoy such as holidays etc. Its not about who is better etc etc its about quite plain and simple pulling your weight and chipping in like the rest of us BTW I know you have disability issues and have a bee in your bonnet about that so this applies to the majority which actually don't and just cant be bothered.[/p][/quote]They shouldn't. it's the corporations that are making the profits. If taxed appropriately with real enforcement we could easily set the starting rate for tax much higher. Unless someone is receiving a living wage it is stupid from the point of view of administration costs alone to be taxing them whilst at the same time handing them benefits. Once over the living wage you are getting more than is required so a level of taxation is justifiable. RollandSmoke

5:39pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Rambo wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
Also it gives you value in life.

I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable.

About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example.

Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking.

But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday.

Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are.
I'm blaming the system others are defending it. I know my reasons for blaming the system but others seem to struggle to explain why they support it. A glass of water is more valuable than diamonds or gold if you need a drink. Values are for each individual to decide not something to be imposed. Yes I'll call you lucky because you have remained in good health and found opportunity. Not everyone's so lucky. For some the situation can't be changed by trying to motivate them with the stick. The safety net was there when you needed it. It shouldn't have rats nibbling away at the ropes and taking sections of it away. I don't need to better myself. I have my own values and perception of what has worth and that makes me a richer man than many.
Which is all well and good but why should others pay for your upkeep forever to make you a "richer man".

Why should the workers have to toil to work everyday dealing with stress and a whole raft of illnesses etc to ensure our taxes are paid only for people that want to "enrich" themselves to sit around doing nothing.

Of course everyone agrees with Welfare as it is there to help those who fall on hard times for a short period of time. It isn't there as a career choice or at least it shouldn't be.

I would quite gladly sit around at home all day everyday, browsing forums and watching tv but alas I have bills to pay which in turn enables me to certain luxuries in life that my family and myself enjoy such as holidays etc.

Its not about who is better etc etc its about quite plain and simple pulling your weight and chipping in like the rest of us

BTW I know you have disability issues and have a bee in your bonnet about that so this applies to the majority which actually don't and just cant be bothered.
They shouldn't. it's the corporations that are making the profits. If taxed appropriately with real enforcement we could easily set the starting rate for tax much higher. Unless someone is receiving a living wage it is stupid from the point of view of administration costs alone to be taxing them whilst at the same time handing them benefits. Once over the living wage you are getting more than is required so a level of taxation is justifiable.
The "living" wage is a myth as it means different things to different people. Some people would refuse to work for less than a 4 bed semi, car and two holidays a year whereas another person would just be grateful to put food on the table have a roof over their head. As such the Government should ALWAYS apply the latter.

As I pointed out to your before when you were bleating on about companies not paying the "correct" tax it will actually cost the UK more to close these loopholes for the reasons mentioned before. The HMRC know this, the Government know this and anyone who actually did some research would understand.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]Also it gives you value in life. I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable. About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example. Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking. But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday. Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are.[/p][/quote]I'm blaming the system others are defending it. I know my reasons for blaming the system but others seem to struggle to explain why they support it. A glass of water is more valuable than diamonds or gold if you need a drink. Values are for each individual to decide not something to be imposed. Yes I'll call you lucky because you have remained in good health and found opportunity. Not everyone's so lucky. For some the situation can't be changed by trying to motivate them with the stick. The safety net was there when you needed it. It shouldn't have rats nibbling away at the ropes and taking sections of it away. I don't need to better myself. I have my own values and perception of what has worth and that makes me a richer man than many.[/p][/quote]Which is all well and good but why should others pay for your upkeep forever to make you a "richer man". Why should the workers have to toil to work everyday dealing with stress and a whole raft of illnesses etc to ensure our taxes are paid only for people that want to "enrich" themselves to sit around doing nothing. Of course everyone agrees with Welfare as it is there to help those who fall on hard times for a short period of time. It isn't there as a career choice or at least it shouldn't be. I would quite gladly sit around at home all day everyday, browsing forums and watching tv but alas I have bills to pay which in turn enables me to certain luxuries in life that my family and myself enjoy such as holidays etc. Its not about who is better etc etc its about quite plain and simple pulling your weight and chipping in like the rest of us BTW I know you have disability issues and have a bee in your bonnet about that so this applies to the majority which actually don't and just cant be bothered.[/p][/quote]They shouldn't. it's the corporations that are making the profits. If taxed appropriately with real enforcement we could easily set the starting rate for tax much higher. Unless someone is receiving a living wage it is stupid from the point of view of administration costs alone to be taxing them whilst at the same time handing them benefits. Once over the living wage you are getting more than is required so a level of taxation is justifiable.[/p][/quote]The "living" wage is a myth as it means different things to different people. Some people would refuse to work for less than a 4 bed semi, car and two holidays a year whereas another person would just be grateful to put food on the table have a roof over their head. As such the Government should ALWAYS apply the latter. As I pointed out to your before when you were bleating on about companies not paying the "correct" tax it will actually cost the UK more to close these loopholes for the reasons mentioned before. The HMRC know this, the Government know this and anyone who actually did some research would understand. Andy2010

5:46pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Rambo wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?
Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.
Also it gives you value in life.

I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable.

About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example.

Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking.

But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday.

Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are.
I'm blaming the system others are defending it. I know my reasons for blaming the system but others seem to struggle to explain why they support it. A glass of water is more valuable than diamonds or gold if you need a drink. Values are for each individual to decide not something to be imposed. Yes I'll call you lucky because you have remained in good health and found opportunity. Not everyone's so lucky. For some the situation can't be changed by trying to motivate them with the stick. The safety net was there when you needed it. It shouldn't have rats nibbling away at the ropes and taking sections of it away. I don't need to better myself. I have my own values and perception of what has worth and that makes me a richer man than many.
Which is all well and good but why should others pay for your upkeep forever to make you a "richer man".

Why should the workers have to toil to work everyday dealing with stress and a whole raft of illnesses etc to ensure our taxes are paid only for people that want to "enrich" themselves to sit around doing nothing.

Of course everyone agrees with Welfare as it is there to help those who fall on hard times for a short period of time. It isn't there as a career choice or at least it shouldn't be.

I would quite gladly sit around at home all day everyday, browsing forums and watching tv but alas I have bills to pay which in turn enables me to certain luxuries in life that my family and myself enjoy such as holidays etc.

Its not about who is better etc etc its about quite plain and simple pulling your weight and chipping in like the rest of us

BTW I know you have disability issues and have a bee in your bonnet about that so this applies to the majority which actually don't and just cant be bothered.
They shouldn't. it's the corporations that are making the profits. If taxed appropriately with real enforcement we could easily set the starting rate for tax much higher. Unless someone is receiving a living wage it is stupid from the point of view of administration costs alone to be taxing them whilst at the same time handing them benefits. Once over the living wage you are getting more than is required so a level of taxation is justifiable.
The "living" wage is a myth as it means different things to different people. Some people would refuse to work for less than a 4 bed semi, car and two holidays a year whereas another person would just be grateful to put food on the table have a roof over their head. As such the Government should ALWAYS apply the latter.

As I pointed out to your before when you were bleating on about companies not paying the "correct" tax it will actually cost the UK more to close these loopholes for the reasons mentioned before. The HMRC know this, the Government know this and anyone who actually did some research would understand.
That sounds like the that I the same logic as if you tax people 50% they become sneaky gits who hide all their assets and do everything they can to avoid paying tax but if you give them a 5% tax cut they suddenly see the error of their ways and pay up. There's a strange smell to it.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rambo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: does everyone in work want to work or are their reasons for being there slightly different to an actual love of work?[/p][/quote]Newsflash! Many people don't actually love their job, they work so they can provide for THEMSELVES and their families because that is what responsible people do. Sure they'd like to sit at home and receive their salary without working but the country would be on it ar$e in about 2 weeks if everyone took your approach.[/p][/quote]Also it gives you value in life. I spent about 6 months many years ago sat around, dossing, smoking weed almost every day, moaning about the university system (that I paid for myself - no loan) that didn't prepare us for the real world etc. I was a waster. One day I wised up, realised I didn't want to be like the deliberate layabouts in the Jobcentre, and started at the very bottom with a few crappy shop jobs - an Xmas job at Argos was the first one, then after about 5 years got a junior position in my chosen field. It was a crap job, the pay was poor put the experience was invaluable. About 5 years later I had another period of unemployment, about 9 months, and instead of moaning and again blaming everyone else I downloaded some software (via one of those PirateBay sites) and learnt how to use it to improve my prospects. Why can't some of the people who are sat on their computers all day moaning do something similar - I'm sure they're all computer savvy enough to find some pirate software to learn a new skill in for example. Last year I got taken on a midweight job through an agency which has been made permanent, and the stuff I am working on goes all over the country and the world. Im fortunate in that I can enjoy the work, the salary is good and importantly I feel valued as a member of society. It means I can get married next year, have a honeymoon, probably learn to drive and get a car and start to think about buying a house. Yey, good for me you boasting git you're probably thinking. But its about being responsible, like how I learned something new when out of work rather than moaning, not sitting around on forums everyday. Now if SOME people put as much effort into bettering themselves as they do into moaning and blaming everyone else on here they might do something in life that might give them the opportunity to better themselves. And I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different classes, creeds, etc. and many of them have had to work long and hard to get where they are.[/p][/quote]I'm blaming the system others are defending it. I know my reasons for blaming the system but others seem to struggle to explain why they support it. A glass of water is more valuable than diamonds or gold if you need a drink. Values are for each individual to decide not something to be imposed. Yes I'll call you lucky because you have remained in good health and found opportunity. Not everyone's so lucky. For some the situation can't be changed by trying to motivate them with the stick. The safety net was there when you needed it. It shouldn't have rats nibbling away at the ropes and taking sections of it away. I don't need to better myself. I have my own values and perception of what has worth and that makes me a richer man than many.[/p][/quote]Which is all well and good but why should others pay for your upkeep forever to make you a "richer man". Why should the workers have to toil to work everyday dealing with stress and a whole raft of illnesses etc to ensure our taxes are paid only for people that want to "enrich" themselves to sit around doing nothing. Of course everyone agrees with Welfare as it is there to help those who fall on hard times for a short period of time. It isn't there as a career choice or at least it shouldn't be. I would quite gladly sit around at home all day everyday, browsing forums and watching tv but alas I have bills to pay which in turn enables me to certain luxuries in life that my family and myself enjoy such as holidays etc. Its not about who is better etc etc its about quite plain and simple pulling your weight and chipping in like the rest of us BTW I know you have disability issues and have a bee in your bonnet about that so this applies to the majority which actually don't and just cant be bothered.[/p][/quote]They shouldn't. it's the corporations that are making the profits. If taxed appropriately with real enforcement we could easily set the starting rate for tax much higher. Unless someone is receiving a living wage it is stupid from the point of view of administration costs alone to be taxing them whilst at the same time handing them benefits. Once over the living wage you are getting more than is required so a level of taxation is justifiable.[/p][/quote]The "living" wage is a myth as it means different things to different people. Some people would refuse to work for less than a 4 bed semi, car and two holidays a year whereas another person would just be grateful to put food on the table have a roof over their head. As such the Government should ALWAYS apply the latter. As I pointed out to your before when you were bleating on about companies not paying the "correct" tax it will actually cost the UK more to close these loopholes for the reasons mentioned before. The HMRC know this, the Government know this and anyone who actually did some research would understand.[/p][/quote]That sounds like the that I the same logic as if you tax people 50% they become sneaky gits who hide all their assets and do everything they can to avoid paying tax but if you give them a 5% tax cut they suddenly see the error of their ways and pay up. There's a strange smell to it. RollandSmoke

7:05pm Mon 9 Dec 13

lazybeat says...

its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards. lazybeat

7:13pm Mon 9 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
[quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!. alive and awake

7:25pm Mon 9 Dec 13

spinnekop says...

Would you employ someone who says " innit " constantly and looks like he/she is about to either stab you or sell you drugs?

The longer this culture is allowed to continue the stronger it gets.
Would you employ someone who says " innit " constantly and looks like he/she is about to either stab you or sell you drugs? The longer this culture is allowed to continue the stronger it gets. spinnekop

7:28pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children. RollandSmoke

7:55pm Mon 9 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance. alive and awake

8:14pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn. RollandSmoke

8:16pm Mon 9 Dec 13

jordashe says...

Rollandsmoke, i agree with you 100% Well said!
Rollandsmoke, i agree with you 100% Well said! jordashe

8:21pm Mon 9 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.[/p][/quote]Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are. alive and awake

8:42pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.
You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.[/p][/quote]Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.[/p][/quote]You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this? RollandSmoke

8:57pm Mon 9 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.
You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?
I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves.

We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.[/p][/quote]Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.[/p][/quote]You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?[/p][/quote]I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves. We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us. alive and awake

9:10pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.
You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?
I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves.

We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.
What if you no longer need to work hard because technology has created a replacement that can do the job better than you ever could? Who should benefit from that? We can compete for jobs but we can't compete with automisation. How many workers does it take to run a bank of 3D printers? We have made workers redundant. Without an alternative demand for that labour unemployment is inevitable. We need some form of national debate as to how to deal with that reality as the capitalist will always choose the highly productive machine over the less productive human that is harder to program and may be prone to breaking down.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.[/p][/quote]Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.[/p][/quote]You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?[/p][/quote]I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves. We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.[/p][/quote]What if you no longer need to work hard because technology has created a replacement that can do the job better than you ever could? Who should benefit from that? We can compete for jobs but we can't compete with automisation. How many workers does it take to run a bank of 3D printers? We have made workers redundant. Without an alternative demand for that labour unemployment is inevitable. We need some form of national debate as to how to deal with that reality as the capitalist will always choose the highly productive machine over the less productive human that is harder to program and may be prone to breaking down. RollandSmoke

9:13pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Alhaurinrhino says...

People who have a track record of being unemployed and unemployable should be sterilised. That way their useless gene's won't be passed on.
People who have a track record of being unemployed and unemployable should be sterilised. That way their useless gene's won't be passed on. Alhaurinrhino

9:15pm Mon 9 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

LOL Luddite. priceless.
LOL Luddite. priceless. alive and awake

9:18pm Mon 9 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

Alhaurinrhino wrote:
People who have a track record of being unemployed and unemployable should be sterilised. That way their useless gene's won't be passed on.
Wow I'll vote for you, can this apply to yobs, burglars, thicko's etc?
[quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: People who have a track record of being unemployed and unemployable should be sterilised. That way their useless gene's won't be passed on.[/p][/quote]Wow I'll vote for you, can this apply to yobs, burglars, thicko's etc? alive and awake

9:22pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
LOL Luddite. priceless.
I'm a Shipley lad. They paraded the broken machinery through the streets. In dresses I believe though I may be thinking of something else.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: LOL Luddite. priceless.[/p][/quote]I'm a Shipley lad. They paraded the broken machinery through the streets. In dresses I believe though I may be thinking of something else. RollandSmoke

9:53pm Mon 9 Dec 13

mrs walker says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.
You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?
I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves.

We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.
No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical.

It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.[/p][/quote]Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.[/p][/quote]You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?[/p][/quote]I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves. We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.[/p][/quote]No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical. It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do. mrs walker

10:01pm Mon 9 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

mrs walker wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.
You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?
I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves.

We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.
No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical.

It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.
I agree some of these big firms have been talking the p** s regarding taxes.

But I don't care what anyone one says, the main problem regarding so called poverty is a result of people living above their means, and this applies to all pay grades, some big earners live above their means and struggle, but it is the root of it all.
[quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.[/p][/quote]Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.[/p][/quote]You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?[/p][/quote]I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves. We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.[/p][/quote]No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical. It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.[/p][/quote]I agree some of these big firms have been talking the p** s regarding taxes. But I don't care what anyone one says, the main problem regarding so called poverty is a result of people living above their means, and this applies to all pay grades, some big earners live above their means and struggle, but it is the root of it all. alive and awake

10:17pm Mon 9 Dec 13

mrs walker says...

alive and awake wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.
You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?
I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves.

We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.
No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical.

It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.
I agree some of these big firms have been talking the p** s regarding taxes.

But I don't care what anyone one says, the main problem regarding so called poverty is a result of people living above their means, and this applies to all pay grades, some big earners live above their means and struggle, but it is the root of it all.
But what else do you cut - if you're already choosing between heating and eating - and many are? How can you say that you're living above your means if you're just trying to keep body and soul together? Sometimes there are no more savings to be made. I know a single parent who goes out with her kids collecting wood so she doesn't have to put the heating on - but still struggles with the mortgage, and paying the car insurance and petrol bill so that she can get to work. If something goes wrong - the washer breaks down, the boiler needs repairing, the car fails its MOT it's a crisis for her because there is no spare money. Have a bit of compassion!
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.[/p][/quote]Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.[/p][/quote]You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?[/p][/quote]I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves. We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.[/p][/quote]No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical. It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.[/p][/quote]I agree some of these big firms have been talking the p** s regarding taxes. But I don't care what anyone one says, the main problem regarding so called poverty is a result of people living above their means, and this applies to all pay grades, some big earners live above their means and struggle, but it is the root of it all.[/p][/quote]But what else do you cut - if you're already choosing between heating and eating - and many are? How can you say that you're living above your means if you're just trying to keep body and soul together? Sometimes there are no more savings to be made. I know a single parent who goes out with her kids collecting wood so she doesn't have to put the heating on - but still struggles with the mortgage, and paying the car insurance and petrol bill so that she can get to work. If something goes wrong - the washer breaks down, the boiler needs repairing, the car fails its MOT it's a crisis for her because there is no spare money. Have a bit of compassion! mrs walker

10:49pm Mon 9 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

mrs walker wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.
You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?
I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves.

We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.
No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical.

It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.
I agree some of these big firms have been talking the p** s regarding taxes.

But I don't care what anyone one says, the main problem regarding so called poverty is a result of people living above their means, and this applies to all pay grades, some big earners live above their means and struggle, but it is the root of it all.
But what else do you cut - if you're already choosing between heating and eating - and many are? How can you say that you're living above your means if you're just trying to keep body and soul together? Sometimes there are no more savings to be made. I know a single parent who goes out with her kids collecting wood so she doesn't have to put the heating on - but still struggles with the mortgage, and paying the car insurance and petrol bill so that she can get to work. If something goes wrong - the washer breaks down, the boiler needs repairing, the car fails its MOT it's a crisis for her because there is no spare money. Have a bit of compassion!
Poor example, many people gather wood, with the advent of wood burning stoves. A car is a Luxury, sky tv. is a luxury, smoking is a waste of money, do the kids have mobile phones, all these things are luxuries, but people today think they have a divine right to have them all. If there is anyone out there who would like me to advise on how they could cut costs I would be glad to help, but the advise might appear painful, if effective.
Maybe if some of these families lived within there means, their children would sadly feel as if they were missing out, but I am sure it would help them strive to do better than their parents, to afford the luxuries they think they need.
[quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.[/p][/quote]Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.[/p][/quote]You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?[/p][/quote]I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves. We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.[/p][/quote]No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical. It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.[/p][/quote]I agree some of these big firms have been talking the p** s regarding taxes. But I don't care what anyone one says, the main problem regarding so called poverty is a result of people living above their means, and this applies to all pay grades, some big earners live above their means and struggle, but it is the root of it all.[/p][/quote]But what else do you cut - if you're already choosing between heating and eating - and many are? How can you say that you're living above your means if you're just trying to keep body and soul together? Sometimes there are no more savings to be made. I know a single parent who goes out with her kids collecting wood so she doesn't have to put the heating on - but still struggles with the mortgage, and paying the car insurance and petrol bill so that she can get to work. If something goes wrong - the washer breaks down, the boiler needs repairing, the car fails its MOT it's a crisis for her because there is no spare money. Have a bit of compassion![/p][/quote]Poor example, many people gather wood, with the advent of wood burning stoves. A car is a Luxury, sky tv. is a luxury, smoking is a waste of money, do the kids have mobile phones, all these things are luxuries, but people today think they have a divine right to have them all. If there is anyone out there who would like me to advise on how they could cut costs I would be glad to help, but the advise might appear painful, if effective. Maybe if some of these families lived within there means, their children would sadly feel as if they were missing out, but I am sure it would help them strive to do better than their parents, to afford the luxuries they think they need. alive and awake

10:49pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Correct me if I'm wrong but without borrowing the banks make no money. It could explain why Osborne has borrowed so much although what exactly it's been spent on is slightly less clear. where as previously the sales pitch has been to tempt us into debt I think a slightly different technique is being applied to get us signing on that dotted line. what rate of interest is Osborne borrowing at? What rate of interest did we impose on the loan we gave to bail out the banks who we are indebted to?
Correct me if I'm wrong but without borrowing the banks make no money. It could explain why Osborne has borrowed so much although what exactly it's been spent on is slightly less clear. where as previously the sales pitch has been to tempt us into debt I think a slightly different technique is being applied to get us signing on that dotted line. what rate of interest is Osborne borrowing at? What rate of interest did we impose on the loan we gave to bail out the banks who we are indebted to? RollandSmoke

11:11pm Mon 9 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but without borrowing the banks make no money. It could explain why Osborne has borrowed so much although what exactly it's been spent on is slightly less clear. where as previously the sales pitch has been to tempt us into debt I think a slightly different technique is being applied to get us signing on that dotted line. what rate of interest is Osborne borrowing at? What rate of interest did we impose on the loan we gave to bail out the banks who we are indebted to?
Yes you are wrong again, banks make plenty of money from non lending activities, they lose money from lending to bad risks. You can't blame banks for not lending to high risk companies. as for the banks we " Bailed Out " we will finish up in profit from those transactions in the very near future.

Don't forget the Banks employ 100'sk of people, who all pay tax, and the Banks pat huge amounts of tax.
Spot the odd one out. Amazon, Costa, Lloyds
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but without borrowing the banks make no money. It could explain why Osborne has borrowed so much although what exactly it's been spent on is slightly less clear. where as previously the sales pitch has been to tempt us into debt I think a slightly different technique is being applied to get us signing on that dotted line. what rate of interest is Osborne borrowing at? What rate of interest did we impose on the loan we gave to bail out the banks who we are indebted to?[/p][/quote]Yes you are wrong again, banks make plenty of money from non lending activities, they lose money from lending to bad risks. You can't blame banks for not lending to high risk companies. as for the banks we " Bailed Out " we will finish up in profit from those transactions in the very near future. Don't forget the Banks employ 100'sk of people, who all pay tax, and the Banks pat huge amounts of tax. Spot the odd one out. Amazon, Costa, Lloyds alive and awake

11:22pm Mon 9 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but without borrowing the banks make no money. It could explain why Osborne has borrowed so much although what exactly it's been spent on is slightly less clear. where as previously the sales pitch has been to tempt us into debt I think a slightly different technique is being applied to get us signing on that dotted line. what rate of interest is Osborne borrowing at? What rate of interest did we impose on the loan we gave to bail out the banks who we are indebted to?
Yes you are wrong again, banks make plenty of money from non lending activities, they lose money from lending to bad risks. You can't blame banks for not lending to high risk companies. as for the banks we " Bailed Out " we will finish up in profit from those transactions in the very near future.

Don't forget the Banks employ 100'sk of people, who all pay tax, and the Banks pat huge amounts of tax.
Spot the odd one out. Amazon, Costa, Lloyds
If they base their head offices in the City of London who do they pay the tax to as they are not under UK government control?.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but without borrowing the banks make no money. It could explain why Osborne has borrowed so much although what exactly it's been spent on is slightly less clear. where as previously the sales pitch has been to tempt us into debt I think a slightly different technique is being applied to get us signing on that dotted line. what rate of interest is Osborne borrowing at? What rate of interest did we impose on the loan we gave to bail out the banks who we are indebted to?[/p][/quote]Yes you are wrong again, banks make plenty of money from non lending activities, they lose money from lending to bad risks. You can't blame banks for not lending to high risk companies. as for the banks we " Bailed Out " we will finish up in profit from those transactions in the very near future. Don't forget the Banks employ 100'sk of people, who all pay tax, and the Banks pat huge amounts of tax. Spot the odd one out. Amazon, Costa, Lloyds[/p][/quote]If they base their head offices in the City of London who do they pay the tax to as they are not under UK government control?. RollandSmoke

11:27pm Mon 9 Dec 13

mrs walker says...

alive and awake wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.
You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?
I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves.

We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.
No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical.

It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.
I agree some of these big firms have been talking the p** s regarding taxes.

But I don't care what anyone one says, the main problem regarding so called poverty is a result of people living above their means, and this applies to all pay grades, some big earners live above their means and struggle, but it is the root of it all.
But what else do you cut - if you're already choosing between heating and eating - and many are? How can you say that you're living above your means if you're just trying to keep body and soul together? Sometimes there are no more savings to be made. I know a single parent who goes out with her kids collecting wood so she doesn't have to put the heating on - but still struggles with the mortgage, and paying the car insurance and petrol bill so that she can get to work. If something goes wrong - the washer breaks down, the boiler needs repairing, the car fails its MOT it's a crisis for her because there is no spare money. Have a bit of compassion!
Poor example, many people gather wood, with the advent of wood burning stoves. A car is a Luxury, sky tv. is a luxury, smoking is a waste of money, do the kids have mobile phones, all these things are luxuries, but people today think they have a divine right to have them all. If there is anyone out there who would like me to advise on how they could cut costs I would be glad to help, but the advise might appear painful, if effective.
Maybe if some of these families lived within there means, their children would sadly feel as if they were missing out, but I am sure it would help them strive to do better than their parents, to afford the luxuries they think they need.
The person in question needs a car to get to work and take her kids to school. She doesn't have Sky or a big telly, nor does she smoke but the shameful, wasteful woman does have a computer that she shares with the kids - I must tell her it's a luxury that she doesn't deserve to have despite having a degree, a professional job and working full time - all while raising her kids to be intelligent, well-informed young people. I was foolish to ask you to show compassion. You wouldn't know compassion if it took you in its arms and hugged your stony heart. But one day you will.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.[/p][/quote]Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.[/p][/quote]You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?[/p][/quote]I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves. We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.[/p][/quote]No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical. It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.[/p][/quote]I agree some of these big firms have been talking the p** s regarding taxes. But I don't care what anyone one says, the main problem regarding so called poverty is a result of people living above their means, and this applies to all pay grades, some big earners live above their means and struggle, but it is the root of it all.[/p][/quote]But what else do you cut - if you're already choosing between heating and eating - and many are? How can you say that you're living above your means if you're just trying to keep body and soul together? Sometimes there are no more savings to be made. I know a single parent who goes out with her kids collecting wood so she doesn't have to put the heating on - but still struggles with the mortgage, and paying the car insurance and petrol bill so that she can get to work. If something goes wrong - the washer breaks down, the boiler needs repairing, the car fails its MOT it's a crisis for her because there is no spare money. Have a bit of compassion![/p][/quote]Poor example, many people gather wood, with the advent of wood burning stoves. A car is a Luxury, sky tv. is a luxury, smoking is a waste of money, do the kids have mobile phones, all these things are luxuries, but people today think they have a divine right to have them all. If there is anyone out there who would like me to advise on how they could cut costs I would be glad to help, but the advise might appear painful, if effective. Maybe if some of these families lived within there means, their children would sadly feel as if they were missing out, but I am sure it would help them strive to do better than their parents, to afford the luxuries they think they need.[/p][/quote]The person in question needs a car to get to work and take her kids to school. She doesn't have Sky or a big telly, nor does she smoke but the shameful, wasteful woman does have a computer that she shares with the kids - I must tell her it's a luxury that she doesn't deserve to have despite having a degree, a professional job and working full time - all while raising her kids to be intelligent, well-informed young people. I was foolish to ask you to show compassion. You wouldn't know compassion if it took you in its arms and hugged your stony heart. But one day you will. mrs walker

3:11am Tue 10 Dec 13

dellorri says...

Well I see once again you've all descended into your "take your sides" on the bash the "scrounger" argument, When the thread had nothing to do with that really did it. But do you see how skillfully those wily statisticians played you?
got you talking once again about people on benefits with SKY, BIG TELLIES, CARS, HOLIDAYS, BOOZE, FAGS, DRUGS, all paid for out of their JSA money which you the hard working tax payer slog your guts out for
REALLY? What sort of holiday can you afford out of £53 a week then?
When youve paid £20-30 a week for utilities, £15 for food, the balance of your rent, and you might if you're lucky have a couple of quid left in your pocket the day after you get paid. I don't know if you understand cockney rhyming slang, but you lot talk an awful lot of PONY, almost as much as IDS who was slated today by the work and pensions committee for HIS use of, funnily enough "dodgy statistics". Just as this is published in the T&A.
Talk about divide and conquer, the saying was made with you lot in mind I think.
Well I see once again you've all descended into your "take your sides" on the bash the "scrounger" argument, When the thread had nothing to do with that really did it. But do you see how skillfully those wily statisticians played you? got you talking once again about people on benefits with SKY, BIG TELLIES, CARS, HOLIDAYS, BOOZE, FAGS, DRUGS, all paid for out of their JSA money which you the hard working tax payer slog your guts out for REALLY? What sort of holiday can you afford out of £53 a week then? When youve paid £20-30 a week for utilities, £15 for food, the balance of your rent, and you might if you're lucky have a couple of quid left in your pocket the day after you get paid. I don't know if you understand cockney rhyming slang, but you lot talk an awful lot of PONY, almost as much as IDS who was slated today by the work and pensions committee for HIS use of, funnily enough "dodgy statistics". Just as this is published in the T&A. Talk about divide and conquer, the saying was made with you lot in mind I think. dellorri

3:30am Tue 10 Dec 13

dellorri says...

Incidentally to hear IDS wriggling his excuses out follow this link...........

www. parliamentlive .tv/Main/Player.aspx
?meetingId=14420&pla
yer=windowsmedia

He even blames Conservative central office for issuing statistics, gathered regarding people affected by the benefit cap, saying in effect "It wasn't me, it was them."
Incidentally to hear IDS wriggling his excuses out follow this link........... www. parliamentlive .tv/Main/Player.aspx ?meetingId=14420&pla yer=windowsmedia He even blames Conservative central office for issuing statistics, gathered regarding people affected by the benefit cap, saying in effect "It wasn't me, it was them." dellorri

8:22am Tue 10 Dec 13

Tonybaloni says...

Only a 5th?
Who in their right minds would want to work at all?
I only work because I have to work.
I would rather be doing something far more fun. No wonder Bradford is so miserable.
Only a 5th? Who in their right minds would want to work at all? I only work because I have to work. I would rather be doing something far more fun. No wonder Bradford is so miserable. Tonybaloni

8:53am Tue 10 Dec 13

eccythump says...

What's my name wrote:
Some people will never work IE drug dealers, baby factory's, and metal thiefs and what about those who work on the side and there are lots just go to any B&Q,Wicks, Builders yard and you will see them waiting for work outside.
Stop child benefits after the first child, crack down on benefit cheats and i bet there's more than you think.
I just feel sorry for the ones who do want to work but cant get a job.
So if there are folk out there who want a job, but can't find one, why are you all so keen to have those who don't really want to work, take these jobs from them ? Surely it would be better to let those who want to work have them and do them properly ? Let's face it, there will be unemployment, no matter what, better to have those who don't mind existing on benefits, do just that. Then those who prefer employment can have their pick of the jobs. Simples :)
[quote][p][bold]What's my name[/bold] wrote: Some people will never work IE drug dealers, baby factory's, and metal thiefs and what about those who work on the side and there are lots just go to any B&Q,Wicks, Builders yard and you will see them waiting for work outside. Stop child benefits after the first child, crack down on benefit cheats and i bet there's more than you think. I just feel sorry for the ones who do want to work but cant get a job.[/p][/quote]So if there are folk out there who want a job, but can't find one, why are you all so keen to have those who don't really want to work, take these jobs from them ? Surely it would be better to let those who want to work have them and do them properly ? Let's face it, there will be unemployment, no matter what, better to have those who don't mind existing on benefits, do just that. Then those who prefer employment can have their pick of the jobs. Simples :) eccythump

9:07am Tue 10 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

dellorri wrote:
Well I see once again you've all descended into your "take your sides" on the bash the "scrounger" argument, When the thread had nothing to do with that really did it. But do you see how skillfully those wily statisticians played you?
got you talking once again about people on benefits with SKY, BIG TELLIES, CARS, HOLIDAYS, BOOZE, FAGS, DRUGS, all paid for out of their JSA money which you the hard working tax payer slog your guts out for
REALLY? What sort of holiday can you afford out of £53 a week then?
When youve paid £20-30 a week for utilities, £15 for food, the balance of your rent, and you might if you're lucky have a couple of quid left in your pocket the day after you get paid. I don't know if you understand cockney rhyming slang, but you lot talk an awful lot of PONY, almost as much as IDS who was slated today by the work and pensions committee for HIS use of, funnily enough "dodgy statistics". Just as this is published in the T&A.
Talk about divide and conquer, the saying was made with you lot in mind I think.
Rubbish! you miss the whole, anyone on minimum benefits can't afford luxuries, but the go ahead and get them, through loans, and then they can't make repayments. If we gave some of these £1000 per week it would not be enough. LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS
[quote][p][bold]dellorri[/bold] wrote: Well I see once again you've all descended into your "take your sides" on the bash the "scrounger" argument, When the thread had nothing to do with that really did it. But do you see how skillfully those wily statisticians played you? got you talking once again about people on benefits with SKY, BIG TELLIES, CARS, HOLIDAYS, BOOZE, FAGS, DRUGS, all paid for out of their JSA money which you the hard working tax payer slog your guts out for REALLY? What sort of holiday can you afford out of £53 a week then? When youve paid £20-30 a week for utilities, £15 for food, the balance of your rent, and you might if you're lucky have a couple of quid left in your pocket the day after you get paid. I don't know if you understand cockney rhyming slang, but you lot talk an awful lot of PONY, almost as much as IDS who was slated today by the work and pensions committee for HIS use of, funnily enough "dodgy statistics". Just as this is published in the T&A. Talk about divide and conquer, the saying was made with you lot in mind I think.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! you miss the whole, anyone on minimum benefits can't afford luxuries, but the go ahead and get them, through loans, and then they can't make repayments. If we gave some of these £1000 per week it would not be enough. LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS alive and awake

9:13am Tue 10 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

mrs walker wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.
You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?
I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves.

We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.
No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical.

It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.
I agree some of these big firms have been talking the p** s regarding taxes.

But I don't care what anyone one says, the main problem regarding so called poverty is a result of people living above their means, and this applies to all pay grades, some big earners live above their means and struggle, but it is the root of it all.
But what else do you cut - if you're already choosing between heating and eating - and many are? How can you say that you're living above your means if you're just trying to keep body and soul together? Sometimes there are no more savings to be made. I know a single parent who goes out with her kids collecting wood so she doesn't have to put the heating on - but still struggles with the mortgage, and paying the car insurance and petrol bill so that she can get to work. If something goes wrong - the washer breaks down, the boiler needs repairing, the car fails its MOT it's a crisis for her because there is no spare money. Have a bit of compassion!
Poor example, many people gather wood, with the advent of wood burning stoves. A car is a Luxury, sky tv. is a luxury, smoking is a waste of money, do the kids have mobile phones, all these things are luxuries, but people today think they have a divine right to have them all. If there is anyone out there who would like me to advise on how they could cut costs I would be glad to help, but the advise might appear painful, if effective.
Maybe if some of these families lived within there means, their children would sadly feel as if they were missing out, but I am sure it would help them strive to do better than their parents, to afford the luxuries they think they need.
The person in question needs a car to get to work and take her kids to school. She doesn't have Sky or a big telly, nor does she smoke but the shameful, wasteful woman does have a computer that she shares with the kids - I must tell her it's a luxury that she doesn't deserve to have despite having a degree, a professional job and working full time - all while raising her kids to be intelligent, well-informed young people. I was foolish to ask you to show compassion. You wouldn't know compassion if it took you in its arms and hugged your stony heart. But one day you will.
I would like to see this woman's total incoming cash and outgoings, that is the only way to make a rational comment on individual cases.
I do understand compassion, but I also understand tough love.
[quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.[/p][/quote]Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.[/p][/quote]You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?[/p][/quote]I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves. We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.[/p][/quote]No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical. It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.[/p][/quote]I agree some of these big firms have been talking the p** s regarding taxes. But I don't care what anyone one says, the main problem regarding so called poverty is a result of people living above their means, and this applies to all pay grades, some big earners live above their means and struggle, but it is the root of it all.[/p][/quote]But what else do you cut - if you're already choosing between heating and eating - and many are? How can you say that you're living above your means if you're just trying to keep body and soul together? Sometimes there are no more savings to be made. I know a single parent who goes out with her kids collecting wood so she doesn't have to put the heating on - but still struggles with the mortgage, and paying the car insurance and petrol bill so that she can get to work. If something goes wrong - the washer breaks down, the boiler needs repairing, the car fails its MOT it's a crisis for her because there is no spare money. Have a bit of compassion![/p][/quote]Poor example, many people gather wood, with the advent of wood burning stoves. A car is a Luxury, sky tv. is a luxury, smoking is a waste of money, do the kids have mobile phones, all these things are luxuries, but people today think they have a divine right to have them all. If there is anyone out there who would like me to advise on how they could cut costs I would be glad to help, but the advise might appear painful, if effective. Maybe if some of these families lived within there means, their children would sadly feel as if they were missing out, but I am sure it would help them strive to do better than their parents, to afford the luxuries they think they need.[/p][/quote]The person in question needs a car to get to work and take her kids to school. She doesn't have Sky or a big telly, nor does she smoke but the shameful, wasteful woman does have a computer that she shares with the kids - I must tell her it's a luxury that she doesn't deserve to have despite having a degree, a professional job and working full time - all while raising her kids to be intelligent, well-informed young people. I was foolish to ask you to show compassion. You wouldn't know compassion if it took you in its arms and hugged your stony heart. But one day you will.[/p][/quote]I would like to see this woman's total incoming cash and outgoings, that is the only way to make a rational comment on individual cases. I do understand compassion, but I also understand tough love. alive and awake

10:58am Tue 10 Dec 13

GlobalSingh says...

We could do with a lot of CONTRACEPTION! in Bradford...churning out 'citizens' for various reasons should be tackled first by our government, because it is obvious that some of these citizens not have no intention to look for work and actually believe that 'crime' is a job worth pursuing because it gives them a buzz, making easy money and they are copying their 'heroes' in gangster movies!
We could do with a lot of CONTRACEPTION! in Bradford...churning out 'citizens' for various reasons should be tackled first by our government, because it is obvious that some of these citizens not have no intention to look for work and actually believe that 'crime' is a job worth pursuing because it gives them a buzz, making easy money and they are copying their 'heroes' in gangster movies! GlobalSingh

12:47pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Mug 1st class says...

Maybe they should get a job with the Council then they go off sick!!
Maybe they should get a job with the Council then they go off sick!! Mug 1st class

1:04pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

alive and awake wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.
You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?
I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves.

We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.
No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical.

It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.
I agree some of these big firms have been talking the p** s regarding taxes.

But I don't care what anyone one says, the main problem regarding so called poverty is a result of people living above their means, and this applies to all pay grades, some big earners live above their means and struggle, but it is the root of it all.
But what else do you cut - if you're already choosing between heating and eating - and many are? How can you say that you're living above your means if you're just trying to keep body and soul together? Sometimes there are no more savings to be made. I know a single parent who goes out with her kids collecting wood so she doesn't have to put the heating on - but still struggles with the mortgage, and paying the car insurance and petrol bill so that she can get to work. If something goes wrong - the washer breaks down, the boiler needs repairing, the car fails its MOT it's a crisis for her because there is no spare money. Have a bit of compassion!
Poor example, many people gather wood, with the advent of wood burning stoves. A car is a Luxury, sky tv. is a luxury, smoking is a waste of money, do the kids have mobile phones, all these things are luxuries, but people today think they have a divine right to have them all. If there is anyone out there who would like me to advise on how they could cut costs I would be glad to help, but the advise might appear painful, if effective.
Maybe if some of these families lived within there means, their children would sadly feel as if they were missing out, but I am sure it would help them strive to do better than their parents, to afford the luxuries they think they need.
The person in question needs a car to get to work and take her kids to school. She doesn't have Sky or a big telly, nor does she smoke but the shameful, wasteful woman does have a computer that she shares with the kids - I must tell her it's a luxury that she doesn't deserve to have despite having a degree, a professional job and working full time - all while raising her kids to be intelligent, well-informed young people. I was foolish to ask you to show compassion. You wouldn't know compassion if it took you in its arms and hugged your stony heart. But one day you will.
I would like to see this woman's total incoming cash and outgoings, that is the only way to make a rational comment on individual cases.
I do understand compassion, but I also understand tough love.
The 'advent' of the wood burning stove? Haha, you sir are a numpty.

Many people are in the same boat as the woman described here. One failure of an important appliance, unless you'd have them washing on stones in the river, can throw a family into debt and despair. At some point there has to be a stand against stigmatising people and making sweeping generalistations you know nothing about. I am in my 31st year of continuous employment, it still cuts deep if I have to repair my car, or God forbid, save for a holiday. Some people are not even asking for that, just enough to get by and maybe a treat at the end of a working week.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.[/p][/quote]Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.[/p][/quote]You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?[/p][/quote]I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves. We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.[/p][/quote]No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical. It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.[/p][/quote]I agree some of these big firms have been talking the p** s regarding taxes. But I don't care what anyone one says, the main problem regarding so called poverty is a result of people living above their means, and this applies to all pay grades, some big earners live above their means and struggle, but it is the root of it all.[/p][/quote]But what else do you cut - if you're already choosing between heating and eating - and many are? How can you say that you're living above your means if you're just trying to keep body and soul together? Sometimes there are no more savings to be made. I know a single parent who goes out with her kids collecting wood so she doesn't have to put the heating on - but still struggles with the mortgage, and paying the car insurance and petrol bill so that she can get to work. If something goes wrong - the washer breaks down, the boiler needs repairing, the car fails its MOT it's a crisis for her because there is no spare money. Have a bit of compassion![/p][/quote]Poor example, many people gather wood, with the advent of wood burning stoves. A car is a Luxury, sky tv. is a luxury, smoking is a waste of money, do the kids have mobile phones, all these things are luxuries, but people today think they have a divine right to have them all. If there is anyone out there who would like me to advise on how they could cut costs I would be glad to help, but the advise might appear painful, if effective. Maybe if some of these families lived within there means, their children would sadly feel as if they were missing out, but I am sure it would help them strive to do better than their parents, to afford the luxuries they think they need.[/p][/quote]The person in question needs a car to get to work and take her kids to school. She doesn't have Sky or a big telly, nor does she smoke but the shameful, wasteful woman does have a computer that she shares with the kids - I must tell her it's a luxury that she doesn't deserve to have despite having a degree, a professional job and working full time - all while raising her kids to be intelligent, well-informed young people. I was foolish to ask you to show compassion. You wouldn't know compassion if it took you in its arms and hugged your stony heart. But one day you will.[/p][/quote]I would like to see this woman's total incoming cash and outgoings, that is the only way to make a rational comment on individual cases. I do understand compassion, but I also understand tough love.[/p][/quote]The 'advent' of the wood burning stove? Haha, you sir are a numpty. Many people are in the same boat as the woman described here. One failure of an important appliance, unless you'd have them washing on stones in the river, can throw a family into debt and despair. At some point there has to be a stand against stigmatising people and making sweeping generalistations you know nothing about. I am in my 31st year of continuous employment, it still cuts deep if I have to repair my car, or God forbid, save for a holiday. Some people are not even asking for that, just enough to get by and maybe a treat at the end of a working week. Prisoner Cell Block A

2:59pm Tue 10 Dec 13

POTATOE123 says...

Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up.
Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up. POTATOE123

3:51pm Tue 10 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

POTATOE123 wrote:
Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up.
You are a credit to your parents, and I am sure you will have a happy contented life, for someone your age to voice that view is heart warming.

I wish you all the luck in the world.
[quote][p][bold]POTATOE123[/bold] wrote: Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up.[/p][/quote]You are a credit to your parents, and I am sure you will have a happy contented life, for someone your age to voice that view is heart warming. I wish you all the luck in the world. alive and awake

4:15pm Tue 10 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

This so-called survey was intended to show those who do not wish to work.

This is not the same as asking people if they have to work.

Today, there are still plenty of adults, who as married women living in families, who do not have to work, or would even wish to work.

A census across the city shows that 8.8% of those between ages 16 and 74 years, have never worked.

We do know that the unemployment rate among those registered as job seekers is as high as 12.7%

Strangely, I find myself agreeing with George Galloway MP, on this point.

I do not accept the comments made by Cllr Glen Miller as having any real substance, whereas those of Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe, who has some statutory duties as the holder of the portfolio: Employment, Skills & Culture, has a duty to perform for Bradford Council.

Bradford is a run-down city. Almost all of the 5 elected MPs have done very little of substance to bring inward investment to the area and create new jobs. Almost 40 years ago I remember Bradford as a thriving place in which to do business. Yet not today.

Our Westminster politicians seem to have written the place off. That includes PM David Cameron and Chancellor George Osborne. Why?

Time for a sea-change in British politics with many more people elected to parliament who have genuine business experience. That means UKIP and not those from the LibLabCon grouping. They have had their chances and have failed us abysmally. Academics and party researchers, we do not need.
This so-called survey was intended to show those who do not wish to work. This is not the same as asking people if they have to work. Today, there are still plenty of adults, who as married women living in families, who do not have to work, or would even wish to work. A census across the city shows that 8.8% of those between ages 16 and 74 years, have never worked. We do know that the unemployment rate among those registered as job seekers is as high as 12.7% Strangely, I find myself agreeing with George Galloway MP, on this point. I do not accept the comments made by Cllr Glen Miller as having any real substance, whereas those of Cllr Susan Hinchcliffe, who has some statutory duties as the holder of the portfolio: Employment, Skills & Culture, has a duty to perform for Bradford Council. Bradford is a run-down city. Almost all of the 5 elected MPs have done very little of substance to bring inward investment to the area and create new jobs. Almost 40 years ago I remember Bradford as a thriving place in which to do business. Yet not today. Our Westminster politicians seem to have written the place off. That includes PM David Cameron and Chancellor George Osborne. Why? Time for a sea-change in British politics with many more people elected to parliament who have genuine business experience. That means UKIP and not those from the LibLabCon grouping. They have had their chances and have failed us abysmally. Academics and party researchers, we do not need. pjl20

4:28pm Tue 10 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

POTATOE123 wrote:
Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up.
Well aren't you the lucky one, although you did say you were off work for a year because there were "no jobs". It's good that your education sank in to a level that you were qualified to do an Apprenticeship in Business administration. It fortuitous that you managed to get this Apprenticeship as there are so few available. But you're not very wise are you Mr 19 year old as if you were you would realise that you are an exception rather than the rule and for the vast majority they would never be able to achieve your level of good fortune no matter how hard they tried. I should imagine Mummy and Daddy have been in a position to give you plenty of support to see you through the often perilous journey from the school system into the world of work. Were they stereotyping you? It's a horrible feeling isn't it?. Everybody signing on for the money? Yes because without it they starve.
[quote][p][bold]POTATOE123[/bold] wrote: Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up.[/p][/quote]Well aren't you the lucky one, although you did say you were off work for a year because there were "no jobs". It's good that your education sank in to a level that you were qualified to do an Apprenticeship in Business administration. It fortuitous that you managed to get this Apprenticeship as there are so few available. But you're not very wise are you Mr 19 year old as if you were you would realise that you are an exception rather than the rule and for the vast majority they would never be able to achieve your level of good fortune no matter how hard they tried. I should imagine Mummy and Daddy have been in a position to give you plenty of support to see you through the often perilous journey from the school system into the world of work. Were they stereotyping you? It's a horrible feeling isn't it?. Everybody signing on for the money? Yes because without it they starve. RollandSmoke

4:58pm Tue 10 Dec 13

dellorri says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
POTATOE123 wrote:
Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up.
Well aren't you the lucky one, although you did say you were off work for a year because there were "no jobs". It's good that your education sank in to a level that you were qualified to do an Apprenticeship in Business administration. It fortuitous that you managed to get this Apprenticeship as there are so few available. But you're not very wise are you Mr 19 year old as if you were you would realise that you are an exception rather than the rule and for the vast majority they would never be able to achieve your level of good fortune no matter how hard they tried. I should imagine Mummy and Daddy have been in a position to give you plenty of support to see you through the often perilous journey from the school system into the world of work. Were they stereotyping you? It's a horrible feeling isn't it?. Everybody signing on for the money? Yes because without it they starve.
Now be fair Rolly you have to say this guy must have something about him to have acheived what he has done, not only has he DOUBLED his income from the JSA a 19yr old would receive £53 a week to a £125 a week ~PCM, But he has also managed to shatter time as we know it, thereby destroying the whole theory of quantum physics. He is so damned industrious, he must be, just look at what he said " I am currenty living off £500 a month, and I work 30 HOURS a day...."????? What???? There are thirty hours in a day now??? Must be a new rule bought in by our Tory overlords to get even more working hours out of us, Because I could have sworn there were only 24 hours in a day. But it must all be true, this "young man" is intelligent and said it is. LOL
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]POTATOE123[/bold] wrote: Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up.[/p][/quote]Well aren't you the lucky one, although you did say you were off work for a year because there were "no jobs". It's good that your education sank in to a level that you were qualified to do an Apprenticeship in Business administration. It fortuitous that you managed to get this Apprenticeship as there are so few available. But you're not very wise are you Mr 19 year old as if you were you would realise that you are an exception rather than the rule and for the vast majority they would never be able to achieve your level of good fortune no matter how hard they tried. I should imagine Mummy and Daddy have been in a position to give you plenty of support to see you through the often perilous journey from the school system into the world of work. Were they stereotyping you? It's a horrible feeling isn't it?. Everybody signing on for the money? Yes because without it they starve.[/p][/quote]Now be fair Rolly you have to say this guy must have something about him to have acheived what he has done, not only has he DOUBLED his income from the JSA a 19yr old would receive £53 a week to a £125 a week ~PCM, But he has also managed to shatter time as we know it, thereby destroying the whole theory of quantum physics. He is so damned industrious, he must be, just look at what he said " I am currenty living off £500 a month, and I work 30 HOURS a day...."????? What???? There are thirty hours in a day now??? Must be a new rule bought in by our Tory overlords to get even more working hours out of us, Because I could have sworn there were only 24 hours in a day. But it must all be true, this "young man" is intelligent and said it is. LOL dellorri

5:09pm Tue 10 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

You cannot say that 'living off benefits is ridiculous'

Many despite having impressive qualifications and experience cannot find work.

This is a fact. Why? Because the jobs are not there. We have far far more unemployed that jobs available, the statistics prove this conclusively.

Who feels it is 'OK' to live off benefits?

Very few I believe. The welfare state and NI insurance scheme were created to aid those who need it. No-one foresaw unemployment being at 2.48 millions, with many more who are idle and not being shown in the official figures.

It does no good by those in work accusing those not working as being their 'fault'.

Are you a 'High Tory' like Iain Duncan Smith, perhaps?
You cannot say that 'living off benefits is ridiculous' Many despite having impressive qualifications and experience cannot find work. This is a fact. Why? Because the jobs are not there. We have far far more unemployed that jobs available, the statistics prove this conclusively. Who feels it is 'OK' to live off benefits? Very few I believe. The welfare state and NI insurance scheme were created to aid those who need it. No-one foresaw unemployment being at 2.48 millions, with many more who are idle and not being shown in the official figures. It does no good by those in work accusing those not working as being their 'fault'. Are you a 'High Tory' like Iain Duncan Smith, perhaps? pjl20

6:02pm Tue 10 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

dellorri wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
POTATOE123 wrote:
Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up.
Well aren't you the lucky one, although you did say you were off work for a year because there were "no jobs". It's good that your education sank in to a level that you were qualified to do an Apprenticeship in Business administration. It fortuitous that you managed to get this Apprenticeship as there are so few available. But you're not very wise are you Mr 19 year old as if you were you would realise that you are an exception rather than the rule and for the vast majority they would never be able to achieve your level of good fortune no matter how hard they tried. I should imagine Mummy and Daddy have been in a position to give you plenty of support to see you through the often perilous journey from the school system into the world of work. Were they stereotyping you? It's a horrible feeling isn't it?. Everybody signing on for the money? Yes because without it they starve.
Now be fair Rolly you have to say this guy must have something about him to have acheived what he has done, not only has he DOUBLED his income from the JSA a 19yr old would receive £53 a week to a £125 a week ~PCM, But he has also managed to shatter time as we know it, thereby destroying the whole theory of quantum physics. He is so damned industrious, he must be, just look at what he said " I am currenty living off £500 a month, and I work 30 HOURS a day...."????? What???? There are thirty hours in a day now??? Must be a new rule bought in by our Tory overlords to get even more working hours out of us, Because I could have sworn there were only 24 hours in a day. But it must all be true, this "young man" is intelligent and said it is. LOL
Rolland Smoke you really are a nasty bitter person, ever thought about being a Labour politician.
[quote][p][bold]dellorri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]POTATOE123[/bold] wrote: Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up.[/p][/quote]Well aren't you the lucky one, although you did say you were off work for a year because there were "no jobs". It's good that your education sank in to a level that you were qualified to do an Apprenticeship in Business administration. It fortuitous that you managed to get this Apprenticeship as there are so few available. But you're not very wise are you Mr 19 year old as if you were you would realise that you are an exception rather than the rule and for the vast majority they would never be able to achieve your level of good fortune no matter how hard they tried. I should imagine Mummy and Daddy have been in a position to give you plenty of support to see you through the often perilous journey from the school system into the world of work. Were they stereotyping you? It's a horrible feeling isn't it?. Everybody signing on for the money? Yes because without it they starve.[/p][/quote]Now be fair Rolly you have to say this guy must have something about him to have acheived what he has done, not only has he DOUBLED his income from the JSA a 19yr old would receive £53 a week to a £125 a week ~PCM, But he has also managed to shatter time as we know it, thereby destroying the whole theory of quantum physics. He is so damned industrious, he must be, just look at what he said " I am currenty living off £500 a month, and I work 30 HOURS a day...."????? What???? There are thirty hours in a day now??? Must be a new rule bought in by our Tory overlords to get even more working hours out of us, Because I could have sworn there were only 24 hours in a day. But it must all be true, this "young man" is intelligent and said it is. LOL[/p][/quote]Rolland Smoke you really are a nasty bitter person, ever thought about being a Labour politician. alive and awake

7:23pm Tue 10 Dec 13

bonoforpm says...

dellorri wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
POTATOE123 wrote:
Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up.
Well aren't you the lucky one, although you did say you were off work for a year because there were "no jobs". It's good that your education sank in to a level that you were qualified to do an Apprenticeship in Business administration. It fortuitous that you managed to get this Apprenticeship as there are so few available. But you're not very wise are you Mr 19 year old as if you were you would realise that you are an exception rather than the rule and for the vast majority they would never be able to achieve your level of good fortune no matter how hard they tried. I should imagine Mummy and Daddy have been in a position to give you plenty of support to see you through the often perilous journey from the school system into the world of work. Were they stereotyping you? It's a horrible feeling isn't it?. Everybody signing on for the money? Yes because without it they starve.
Now be fair Rolly you have to say this guy must have something about him to have acheived what he has done, not only has he DOUBLED his income from the JSA a 19yr old would receive £53 a week to a £125 a week ~PCM, But he has also managed to shatter time as we know it, thereby destroying the whole theory of quantum physics. He is so damned industrious, he must be, just look at what he said " I am currenty living off £500 a month, and I work 30 HOURS a day...."????? What???? There are thirty hours in a day now??? Must be a new rule bought in by our Tory overlords to get even more working hours out of us, Because I could have sworn there were only 24 hours in a day. But it must all be true, this "young man" is intelligent and said it is. LOL
I think that Bradley Hardacre (Brass, ITV) summed up this on behalf of all employers when he said

' A fair days pay for a fair weeks work '
[quote][p][bold]dellorri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]POTATOE123[/bold] wrote: Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up.[/p][/quote]Well aren't you the lucky one, although you did say you were off work for a year because there were "no jobs". It's good that your education sank in to a level that you were qualified to do an Apprenticeship in Business administration. It fortuitous that you managed to get this Apprenticeship as there are so few available. But you're not very wise are you Mr 19 year old as if you were you would realise that you are an exception rather than the rule and for the vast majority they would never be able to achieve your level of good fortune no matter how hard they tried. I should imagine Mummy and Daddy have been in a position to give you plenty of support to see you through the often perilous journey from the school system into the world of work. Were they stereotyping you? It's a horrible feeling isn't it?. Everybody signing on for the money? Yes because without it they starve.[/p][/quote]Now be fair Rolly you have to say this guy must have something about him to have acheived what he has done, not only has he DOUBLED his income from the JSA a 19yr old would receive £53 a week to a £125 a week ~PCM, But he has also managed to shatter time as we know it, thereby destroying the whole theory of quantum physics. He is so damned industrious, he must be, just look at what he said " I am currenty living off £500 a month, and I work 30 HOURS a day...."????? What???? There are thirty hours in a day now??? Must be a new rule bought in by our Tory overlords to get even more working hours out of us, Because I could have sworn there were only 24 hours in a day. But it must all be true, this "young man" is intelligent and said it is. LOL[/p][/quote]I think that Bradley Hardacre (Brass, ITV) summed up this on behalf of all employers when he said ' A fair days pay for a fair weeks work ' bonoforpm

12:30pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

alive and awake wrote:
dellorri wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
POTATOE123 wrote:
Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up.
Well aren't you the lucky one, although you did say you were off work for a year because there were "no jobs". It's good that your education sank in to a level that you were qualified to do an Apprenticeship in Business administration. It fortuitous that you managed to get this Apprenticeship as there are so few available. But you're not very wise are you Mr 19 year old as if you were you would realise that you are an exception rather than the rule and for the vast majority they would never be able to achieve your level of good fortune no matter how hard they tried. I should imagine Mummy and Daddy have been in a position to give you plenty of support to see you through the often perilous journey from the school system into the world of work. Were they stereotyping you? It's a horrible feeling isn't it?. Everybody signing on for the money? Yes because without it they starve.
Now be fair Rolly you have to say this guy must have something about him to have acheived what he has done, not only has he DOUBLED his income from the JSA a 19yr old would receive £53 a week to a £125 a week ~PCM, But he has also managed to shatter time as we know it, thereby destroying the whole theory of quantum physics. He is so damned industrious, he must be, just look at what he said " I am currenty living off £500 a month, and I work 30 HOURS a day...."????? What???? There are thirty hours in a day now??? Must be a new rule bought in by our Tory overlords to get even more working hours out of us, Because I could have sworn there were only 24 hours in a day. But it must all be true, this "young man" is intelligent and said it is. LOL
Rolland Smoke you really are a nasty bitter person, ever thought about being a Labour politician.
Not at all, the 'young man' is/was spouting claptrap
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dellorri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]POTATOE123[/bold] wrote: Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up.[/p][/quote]Well aren't you the lucky one, although you did say you were off work for a year because there were "no jobs". It's good that your education sank in to a level that you were qualified to do an Apprenticeship in Business administration. It fortuitous that you managed to get this Apprenticeship as there are so few available. But you're not very wise are you Mr 19 year old as if you were you would realise that you are an exception rather than the rule and for the vast majority they would never be able to achieve your level of good fortune no matter how hard they tried. I should imagine Mummy and Daddy have been in a position to give you plenty of support to see you through the often perilous journey from the school system into the world of work. Were they stereotyping you? It's a horrible feeling isn't it?. Everybody signing on for the money? Yes because without it they starve.[/p][/quote]Now be fair Rolly you have to say this guy must have something about him to have acheived what he has done, not only has he DOUBLED his income from the JSA a 19yr old would receive £53 a week to a £125 a week ~PCM, But he has also managed to shatter time as we know it, thereby destroying the whole theory of quantum physics. He is so damned industrious, he must be, just look at what he said " I am currenty living off £500 a month, and I work 30 HOURS a day...."????? What???? There are thirty hours in a day now??? Must be a new rule bought in by our Tory overlords to get even more working hours out of us, Because I could have sworn there were only 24 hours in a day. But it must all be true, this "young man" is intelligent and said it is. LOL[/p][/quote]Rolland Smoke you really are a nasty bitter person, ever thought about being a Labour politician.[/p][/quote]Not at all, the 'young man' is/was spouting claptrap Prisoner Cell Block A

9:11am Fri 13 Dec 13

schroeder says...

Too many lazy White British chavs on the estates who are happy to live off benefits.

Why can't they open restaurants, take-away's, shops or drive taxis like other communities in the city do??
Too many lazy White British chavs on the estates who are happy to live off benefits. Why can't they open restaurants, take-away's, shops or drive taxis like other communities in the city do?? schroeder

2:29pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

schroeder wrote:
Too many lazy White British chavs on the estates who are happy to live off benefits.

Why can't they open restaurants, take-away's, shops or drive taxis like other communities in the city do??
This is partly true, there are also many hardworking people in the same areas. I do get your point though although a lot of the businesses you mention are not exactly free from swindling via non-payment of tax on ALL monies earned, sale of counterfeit goods or food not fit for human consumption, just to make a quick buck/more profit. Once again, there are those who are straight down the line and make a very honest living by working hard and paying their way.
[quote][p][bold]schroeder[/bold] wrote: Too many lazy White British chavs on the estates who are happy to live off benefits. Why can't they open restaurants, take-away's, shops or drive taxis like other communities in the city do??[/p][/quote]This is partly true, there are also many hardworking people in the same areas. I do get your point though although a lot of the businesses you mention are not exactly free from swindling via non-payment of tax on ALL monies earned, sale of counterfeit goods or food not fit for human consumption, just to make a quick buck/more profit. Once again, there are those who are straight down the line and make a very honest living by working hard and paying their way. Prisoner Cell Block A

5:29pm Fri 13 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

Sidney4257 wrote:
Because most of them are bone idle Muslims!
plus am oppressed for racist or religious reasons……. so need to be compensated or else I will raise a case in Brussels and get even more compensation
[quote][p][bold]Sidney4257[/bold] wrote: Because most of them are bone idle Muslims![/p][/quote]plus am oppressed for racist or religious reasons……. so need to be compensated or else I will raise a case in Brussels and get even more compensation ade_splat

5:35pm Fri 13 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

nowt fresh wrote:
The Local Observer wrote:
Why does this headline not surprise me.....??
The headline does suprise me The Local Observer I would have thought the figure would have been well above "a fifth", just got to love Gorgeous George's comment re “The problem is that we have an under-skilled and under-educated workforce in Bradford" no doubt refering to his constituants in West Bradford, now that doesn't suprise me one bit, and one thing for sure it aint gonna get better in the future, "Pitty Poor Bradford".
and that is how George likes 'em……more people to keep voting for him to keep him on the gravy boat
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Local Observer[/bold] wrote: Why does this headline not surprise me.....??[/p][/quote]The headline does suprise me The Local Observer I would have thought the figure would have been well above "a fifth", just got to love Gorgeous George's comment re “The problem is that we have an under-skilled and under-educated workforce in Bradford" no doubt refering to his constituants in West Bradford, now that doesn't suprise me one bit, and one thing for sure it aint gonna get better in the future, "Pitty Poor Bradford".[/p][/quote]and that is how George likes 'em……more people to keep voting for him to keep him on the gravy boat ade_splat

5:36pm Fri 13 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
The labour government had an opportunity to do something about this when our economy (and the worlds) was booming. We had jobs and we had unemployed. What did they do? Open the door early to EU migrants. The easy (some might say cowardly) way. How can they say they represent the UK working man? I don’t agree with everything the torys do, but I will never vote labour again.
I think the phrase is pizzd it against the wall, trying to buy votes and keep the Ed brother etc on the gravy boat
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: The labour government had an opportunity to do something about this when our economy (and the worlds) was booming. We had jobs and we had unemployed. What did they do? Open the door early to EU migrants. The easy (some might say cowardly) way. How can they say they represent the UK working man? I don’t agree with everything the torys do, but I will never vote labour again.[/p][/quote]I think the phrase is pizzd it against the wall, trying to buy votes and keep the Ed brother etc on the gravy boat ade_splat

5:41pm Fri 13 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
…and if we dump Scotland there is a chance of this happening
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]…and if we dump Scotland there is a chance of this happening ade_splat

5:45pm Fri 13 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

mrs walker wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.
You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?
I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves.

We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.
No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical.

It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.
I think you miss the point. Many want something and they want it now. Instant gratification because that is what they have been brought up to expect. Want a mobile phone, get a pay day loan for the biggest and best….no cheap basic one for me, ….as I only deserve the best, even if I use other peoples' money.
[quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.[/p][/quote]Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.[/p][/quote]You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?[/p][/quote]I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves. We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.[/p][/quote]No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical. It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.[/p][/quote]I think you miss the point. Many want something and they want it now. Instant gratification because that is what they have been brought up to expect. Want a mobile phone, get a pay day loan for the biggest and best….no cheap basic one for me, ….as I only deserve the best, even if I use other peoples' money. ade_splat

5:47pm Fri 13 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

jordashe wrote:
Rollandsmoke, i agree with you 100% Well said!
I can but assume you are paid by one of the Ed brothers per quote? Unless of course you have a blinkered view of the World and believe it is flat…..
[quote][p][bold]jordashe[/bold] wrote: Rollandsmoke, i agree with you 100% Well said![/p][/quote]I can but assume you are paid by one of the Ed brothers per quote? Unless of course you have a blinkered view of the World and believe it is flat….. ade_splat

5:51pm Fri 13 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.
You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?
are we talking here about all of the cash only industry people who are also on benefits who don't want to contribute to society whilst claiming poor?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.[/p][/quote]Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.[/p][/quote]You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?[/p][/quote]are we talking here about all of the cash only industry people who are also on benefits who don't want to contribute to society whilst claiming poor? ade_splat

5:51pm Fri 13 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.
You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?
are we talking here about all of the cash only industry people who are also on benefits who don't want to contribute to society whilst claiming poor?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.[/p][/quote]Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.[/p][/quote]You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?[/p][/quote]are we talking here about all of the cash only industry people who are also on benefits who don't want to contribute to society whilst claiming poor? ade_splat

6:01pm Fri 13 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

mrs walker wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
mrs walker wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
lazybeat wrote:
its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.
Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.
It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.
You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.
Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.
Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.
You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?
I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves.

We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.
No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical.

It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.
I agree some of these big firms have been talking the p** s regarding taxes.

But I don't care what anyone one says, the main problem regarding so called poverty is a result of people living above their means, and this applies to all pay grades, some big earners live above their means and struggle, but it is the root of it all.
But what else do you cut - if you're already choosing between heating and eating - and many are? How can you say that you're living above your means if you're just trying to keep body and soul together? Sometimes there are no more savings to be made. I know a single parent who goes out with her kids collecting wood so she doesn't have to put the heating on - but still struggles with the mortgage, and paying the car insurance and petrol bill so that she can get to work. If something goes wrong - the washer breaks down, the boiler needs repairing, the car fails its MOT it's a crisis for her because there is no spare money. Have a bit of compassion!
options could be to make another whip lash car insurance claim, or give up on a phone contract for one of your new iPhone 5S 64GB, or stop going down the pub every day, maybe get by on one less Sky subscription, or worse come to worse only buy takeaways 6 nights a week. Naturally the new PS4 will have to go (oopps I forgot it had already fallen off a lorry when you got it down the pub). Obviously you don't want to sell the mini cab outside which gets you lots of cash (oopps family car), and also insurance as you have never paid it.

decisions decisions, decisions
[quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lazybeat[/bold] wrote: its amazing how many youngsters cannot do basic maths, communicate and even more baffling read. There is no hope not just in Bradford but in the UK. The calibre of youngsters into the next generation will set the country backwards.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Grove will sort it out It was always Labour plan to dumb down, makes it easy to con!.[/p][/quote]It's sad really that we put the responsibility for the intelligence of our children on whoever may be running the state run indoctrination system. Grove wasn't indoctrinated by the state was he?. He's was indoctrinated privately. He got all the indoctrination money can buy. We're saved. Most parents were told to shut up and watch the TV when interacting with their parents. Now these patenting skills have been passed down a generation the communication has just about gone. Disney Pixar speaks to some children more than their parents do. The adults are just as easily fooled as the children.[/p][/quote]You will never get it. The welfare state as made them what they are, It lets them get by without any effort whats so ever. they only .ever come across like minded morons , which just perpetuates the problem. If we can avoid Labour for 20-30 years, we might be able to turn things around. We might still have a couple of hopeless generations, but that is the legacy of Labour governance.[/p][/quote]Now I know you must be getting paid to post this drivel. 20-30 years of the Tories? The country would burn.[/p][/quote]Well I would never suggest you are getting paid for anything you write because you are not good enough. The fact you do write the propaganda despite receiving all the benefits you must get ,proves how ungrateful you are.[/p][/quote]You think that's what motivates me? Ingratitude? No. I see injustice as those who are being attacked are not responsible for the situation they find themselves in and do not have the resources to do much about it whereas those who are doing the attacking are the ones who have the ability to make the investments to create the jobs. They don't however want to pay these people a wage that is attractive as that would effect their profit margin although they would still likely as not be making vastly more out of this persons work than the worker themselves. But lets forget that the majority of the 6 million in Britain who are classed as being in poverty are working. Why is the taxpayer not concerned about this?[/p][/quote]I refer you to my earlier post. They are living above their means. They could try working a bit longer/harder , or in some cases at all, to enjoy those little luxuries. The Lord helps them who helps themselves. We all can work hard and enjoy the benefits, but we can't all sit back and expect it giving to us.[/p][/quote]No. Many people are NOT living 'above their means'. Many people are simply not earning enough to pay for the soaring costs of housing, food and fuel. Now, we could blame the employer. Or we can blame the individual. Or we can blame the government. It doesn't matter who we blame, the fact is that working families are being forced to use food banks and, in 21st century Britain, that is diabolical. It may cost more for HMRC to close loopholes, it may drive investment away - but unless they do something, huge organisations - like Amazon - will continue to syphon money out of our country, profiting from the taxes that we pay to support their workers because they can't earn enough to make ends meet. There's a thing called Corporate Social Responsibility that these huge corporations love to talk about in their Annual Reports - an opportunity to show themselves in a kindly light, to prove how responsible, decent and environmentally aware they are, and to let us know how they spare their workers for a day a year to volunteer to dig flowerbeds for charities...but if they're going to bask under that banner of social awareness the least they could do is pay their bloody taxes. Like we do.[/p][/quote]I agree some of these big firms have been talking the p** s regarding taxes. But I don't care what anyone one says, the main problem regarding so called poverty is a result of people living above their means, and this applies to all pay grades, some big earners live above their means and struggle, but it is the root of it all.[/p][/quote]But what else do you cut - if you're already choosing between heating and eating - and many are? How can you say that you're living above your means if you're just trying to keep body and soul together? Sometimes there are no more savings to be made. I know a single parent who goes out with her kids collecting wood so she doesn't have to put the heating on - but still struggles with the mortgage, and paying the car insurance and petrol bill so that she can get to work. If something goes wrong - the washer breaks down, the boiler needs repairing, the car fails its MOT it's a crisis for her because there is no spare money. Have a bit of compassion![/p][/quote]options could be to make another whip lash car insurance claim, or give up on a phone contract for one of your new iPhone 5S 64GB, or stop going down the pub every day, maybe get by on one less Sky subscription, or worse come to worse only buy takeaways 6 nights a week. Naturally the new PS4 will have to go (oopps I forgot it had already fallen off a lorry when you got it down the pub). Obviously you don't want to sell the mini cab outside which gets you lots of cash (oopps family car), and also insurance as you have never paid it. decisions decisions, decisions ade_splat

6:06pm Fri 13 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
dellorri wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
POTATOE123 wrote:
Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up.
Well aren't you the lucky one, although you did say you were off work for a year because there were "no jobs". It's good that your education sank in to a level that you were qualified to do an Apprenticeship in Business administration. It fortuitous that you managed to get this Apprenticeship as there are so few available. But you're not very wise are you Mr 19 year old as if you were you would realise that you are an exception rather than the rule and for the vast majority they would never be able to achieve your level of good fortune no matter how hard they tried. I should imagine Mummy and Daddy have been in a position to give you plenty of support to see you through the often perilous journey from the school system into the world of work. Were they stereotyping you? It's a horrible feeling isn't it?. Everybody signing on for the money? Yes because without it they starve.
Now be fair Rolly you have to say this guy must have something about him to have acheived what he has done, not only has he DOUBLED his income from the JSA a 19yr old would receive £53 a week to a £125 a week ~PCM, But he has also managed to shatter time as we know it, thereby destroying the whole theory of quantum physics. He is so damned industrious, he must be, just look at what he said " I am currenty living off £500 a month, and I work 30 HOURS a day...."????? What???? There are thirty hours in a day now??? Must be a new rule bought in by our Tory overlords to get even more working hours out of us, Because I could have sworn there were only 24 hours in a day. But it must all be true, this "young man" is intelligent and said it is. LOL
Rolland Smoke you really are a nasty bitter person, ever thought about being a Labour politician.
Not at all, the 'young man' is/was spouting claptrap
I thought it was a ploy to get Red Ed Balls job…
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dellorri[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]POTATOE123[/bold] wrote: Personally, I think that living off benefits is ridiculous. I was on benefits myself for over a year due to no jobs, I took it upon myself to go back into education and do an Apprenticeship in Business Administration. I am 19 years of age and I had never felt so low walking into Job Centre to 'sign on'. Everybody stereotypes each other and it is getting more difficult to sign on as they know that the majority of people are only 'signing on' are doing it for the money. I have never felt more proud to recieve my pay slip and to see how my hard work had paid off. I am currently living off £500 a month and I work over 30 hours a day, but it is something that has to be done. Todays generation just feel that it is OK to live off benefits, get pregnant and get things from the council the easy option as it is much easier to survive that was than what it is on a wage. It all depends on how an individual has been brought up.[/p][/quote]Well aren't you the lucky one, although you did say you were off work for a year because there were "no jobs". It's good that your education sank in to a level that you were qualified to do an Apprenticeship in Business administration. It fortuitous that you managed to get this Apprenticeship as there are so few available. But you're not very wise are you Mr 19 year old as if you were you would realise that you are an exception rather than the rule and for the vast majority they would never be able to achieve your level of good fortune no matter how hard they tried. I should imagine Mummy and Daddy have been in a position to give you plenty of support to see you through the often perilous journey from the school system into the world of work. Were they stereotyping you? It's a horrible feeling isn't it?. Everybody signing on for the money? Yes because without it they starve.[/p][/quote]Now be fair Rolly you have to say this guy must have something about him to have acheived what he has done, not only has he DOUBLED his income from the JSA a 19yr old would receive £53 a week to a £125 a week ~PCM, But he has also managed to shatter time as we know it, thereby destroying the whole theory of quantum physics. He is so damned industrious, he must be, just look at what he said " I am currenty living off £500 a month, and I work 30 HOURS a day...."????? What???? There are thirty hours in a day now??? Must be a new rule bought in by our Tory overlords to get even more working hours out of us, Because I could have sworn there were only 24 hours in a day. But it must all be true, this "young man" is intelligent and said it is. LOL[/p][/quote]Rolland Smoke you really are a nasty bitter person, ever thought about being a Labour politician.[/p][/quote]Not at all, the 'young man' is/was spouting claptrap[/p][/quote]I thought it was a ploy to get Red Ed Balls job… ade_splat

6:31pm Fri 13 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

And yet another fool steps up to the plate. Where do they get them from? Out of interest when is the Shipley Conservative Club Christmas get together? I've been saving all year for a can of petrol.
And yet another fool steps up to the plate. Where do they get them from? Out of interest when is the Shipley Conservative Club Christmas get together? I've been saving all year for a can of petrol. RollandSmoke

3:42am Sat 14 Dec 13

ade_splat says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
And yet another fool steps up to the plate. Where do they get them from? Out of interest when is the Shipley Conservative Club Christmas get together? I've been saving all year for a can of petrol.
I assume you refer to yourself by way of your pithy quip? Obviously on benefits as well as you can afford the patrol…….
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: And yet another fool steps up to the plate. Where do they get them from? Out of interest when is the Shipley Conservative Club Christmas get together? I've been saving all year for a can of petrol.[/p][/quote]I assume you refer to yourself by way of your pithy quip? Obviously on benefits as well as you can afford the patrol……. ade_splat

5:42pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Mixter says...

The welfare state came about to literally stop folk starving to death. It was to put food in mouths, and a rudimentary roof over your head.

Nowadays it is spent on far more than absolute necessities, proving too much is being paid out.

I have a brother that has scammed his way onto long term sick for over 30 years now, with no sign of him coming off it any time soon. He even dissuaded his son from looking for work once he left school, as it would reduce his benefits he was getting to 'look after him'.
Somethings badly wrong somewhere.
The welfare state came about to literally stop folk starving to death. It was to put food in mouths, and a rudimentary roof over your head. Nowadays it is spent on far more than absolute necessities, proving too much is being paid out. I have a brother that has scammed his way onto long term sick for over 30 years now, with no sign of him coming off it any time soon. He even dissuaded his son from looking for work once he left school, as it would reduce his benefits he was getting to 'look after him'. Somethings badly wrong somewhere. Mixter

6:51pm Sun 15 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Mixter wrote:
The welfare state came about to literally stop folk starving to death. It was to put food in mouths, and a rudimentary roof over your head.

Nowadays it is spent on far more than absolute necessities, proving too much is being paid out.

I have a brother that has scammed his way onto long term sick for over 30 years now, with no sign of him coming off it any time soon. He even dissuaded his son from looking for work once he left school, as it would reduce his benefits he was getting to 'look after him'.
Somethings badly wrong somewhere.
Hi Mixter. If what you say about your brother is true it suggests that he hasn't seen a competent doctor in 30 years as obviously he wouldn't be able to get a sick note without their incompetence and over that 30 years a medical history would have built up. It is unlikely that he will have seen the same doctor for 30 years so therefore this suggests that there are a lot of incompetent doctors out there. Add to this is the fact that he will have been required to go through assessments with the likes of Atos who are unconnected to the health service and are very keen on getting people off the sick. This incompetence, if that is what it is, is funded by the taxpayer to the tune of £100 million a year. Now you say he wants his son to become his carer. Could I suggest that whether you like it or not your brother is not well? If he and his doctor are in agreement that working would not help his situation then for him to further damage his health by taking a job that lets face it he is unlikely to get with the amount of competition he would face from fully fit and able people who are desperate for work does not sound like a very logical way of making the point that some people "don't want to work". I think he has what is known as mitigating circumstances. I've commented before on here about my distaste at the stigmatisation and finger pointing that the media is pushing but if it has made family members turn on each other with accusations then things are worse than I thought.
[quote][p][bold]Mixter[/bold] wrote: The welfare state came about to literally stop folk starving to death. It was to put food in mouths, and a rudimentary roof over your head. Nowadays it is spent on far more than absolute necessities, proving too much is being paid out. I have a brother that has scammed his way onto long term sick for over 30 years now, with no sign of him coming off it any time soon. He even dissuaded his son from looking for work once he left school, as it would reduce his benefits he was getting to 'look after him'. Somethings badly wrong somewhere.[/p][/quote]Hi Mixter. If what you say about your brother is true it suggests that he hasn't seen a competent doctor in 30 years as obviously he wouldn't be able to get a sick note without their incompetence and over that 30 years a medical history would have built up. It is unlikely that he will have seen the same doctor for 30 years so therefore this suggests that there are a lot of incompetent doctors out there. Add to this is the fact that he will have been required to go through assessments with the likes of Atos who are unconnected to the health service and are very keen on getting people off the sick. This incompetence, if that is what it is, is funded by the taxpayer to the tune of £100 million a year. Now you say he wants his son to become his carer. Could I suggest that whether you like it or not your brother is not well? If he and his doctor are in agreement that working would not help his situation then for him to further damage his health by taking a job that lets face it he is unlikely to get with the amount of competition he would face from fully fit and able people who are desperate for work does not sound like a very logical way of making the point that some people "don't want to work". I think he has what is known as mitigating circumstances. I've commented before on here about my distaste at the stigmatisation and finger pointing that the media is pushing but if it has made family members turn on each other with accusations then things are worse than I thought. RollandSmoke

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