'Think before you drink', Bradford consultant urges festive revellers

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Consultant Dr Paul Southern Consultant Dr Paul Southern

Festive revellers are being urged to help out struggling A&E staff this party season by staying sober and avoiding hospital.

Dr Paul Southern, a consultant hepatologist at Bradford Royal Infirmary, says he is not being a kill-joy, but that people need to be responsible for themselves and think before they drink.

“People think Christmas is all about having fun and with that, for many, comes having a few too many drinks, but they just need to think about the consequences of that and how they are going to get home safe rather than end up in a ditch.”

He said the effects of too much alcohol means people do things they would not dream of doing when sober, ending in regret and burdening the NHS.

"My reason for saying all this is not to be a kill-joy, but it’s a fact that more harm can be done at Christmas when people who don’t normally drink much just go too far and their body can’t take it.

“No one wants to have regrets and most right-thinking people wouldn’t want to put a burden on their A&E department either.

“The majority of people in our A&E department, about 70 per cent plus, who come in after midnight are because of alcohol. At Christmas this soars even more. People who drink a lot anyway will drink more and more at this time of year just to get an effect.”

And he added: “The likelihood is if you don’t normally drink much and you drink too much on a night out or at the office party, you’ll be scooped up off the floor by a friend or your colleague and deposited in A&E to be picked up by one of my colleagues. Well, thanks for that.

“Please just think of the effects on yourself and the NHS. A&E departments will be under even more pressure at this time of the year. We are working really hard and the last thing we need is people turning up needing to be sobered up.

“If people really want to help the struggling NHS, they need to think before they drink.”

Last month Dr Southern warned that excessive boozing was causing a worrying rise in cases of liver cancer and brain damage as well as placing a huge burden on hospital finances in Bradford.

He said the number of heavy drinkers diagnosed with liver cancer in the district was increasing and set to rise further, while the risk of dying from other cancers was on the decline.

And he revealed that at least once a month a patient in their 40s in Bradford is sent to a nursing home because they are suffering alcohol-induced brain damage.

Figures for Bradford show the total cost of alcohol-related treatment in Bradford was £35 million last year, including £6.7 million in A&E attendances and £7 million in outpatients appointments, equating to £88 per adult. Last year in Bradford, 138 people died from alcohol-related causes – 101 men and 37 women. Of those deaths, 60 were due to chronic liver disease.

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6:51am Sun 8 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

Figures for Bradford show the total cost of alcohol-related treatment in Bradford was £35 million last year, including £6.7 million in A&E attendances and £7 million in outpatients appointments,
lets have some figures on how much tax and national insurance people like me pay every year.
work hard, play hard.
only time of year some of us WORKERS get to go out.
not all of us can go out on dole money every week!!
only country in the world were you get punished for working and they expect you to not enjoy your earnings.
i pay for the nhs and still pay for treatment!
whats that all about?
time for a usa style health system where your insurance contributions actually pay for you!!
while i'm ranting, working till i'm 68 while you freeloaders get everything?
come on cameron sort em out!!
Figures for Bradford show the total cost of alcohol-related treatment in Bradford was £35 million last year, including £6.7 million in A&E attendances and £7 million in outpatients appointments, lets have some figures on how much tax and national insurance people like me pay every year. work hard, play hard. only time of year some of us WORKERS get to go out. not all of us can go out on dole money every week!! only country in the world were you get punished for working and they expect you to not enjoy your earnings. i pay for the nhs and still pay for treatment! whats that all about? time for a usa style health system where your insurance contributions actually pay for you!! while i'm ranting, working till i'm 68 while you freeloaders get everything? come on cameron sort em out!! tinytoonster

7:48am Sun 8 Dec 13

Albion. says...

tinytoonster wrote:
Figures for Bradford show the total cost of alcohol-related treatment in Bradford was £35 million last year, including £6.7 million in A&E attendances and £7 million in outpatients appointments,
lets have some figures on how much tax and national insurance people like me pay every year.
work hard, play hard.
only time of year some of us WORKERS get to go out.
not all of us can go out on dole money every week!!
only country in the world were you get punished for working and they expect you to not enjoy your earnings.
i pay for the nhs and still pay for treatment!
whats that all about?
time for a usa style health system where your insurance contributions actually pay for you!!
while i'm ranting, working till i'm 68 while you freeloaders get everything?
come on cameron sort em out!!
That's broadly true but your argument isn't with the Doctor (he has to work within a budget set by others) and doesn't take into account the cost of other treatments that aren't associated will alcohol or substance use.
I have friends in America who can't always get the treatment that they need, because they can't afford the excess fees, their system favours the wealthy and often disregards the poor (even those who work full time).
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: Figures for Bradford show the total cost of alcohol-related treatment in Bradford was £35 million last year, including £6.7 million in A&E attendances and £7 million in outpatients appointments, lets have some figures on how much tax and national insurance people like me pay every year. work hard, play hard. only time of year some of us WORKERS get to go out. not all of us can go out on dole money every week!! only country in the world were you get punished for working and they expect you to not enjoy your earnings. i pay for the nhs and still pay for treatment! whats that all about? time for a usa style health system where your insurance contributions actually pay for you!! while i'm ranting, working till i'm 68 while you freeloaders get everything? come on cameron sort em out!![/p][/quote]That's broadly true but your argument isn't with the Doctor (he has to work within a budget set by others) and doesn't take into account the cost of other treatments that aren't associated will alcohol or substance use. I have friends in America who can't always get the treatment that they need, because they can't afford the excess fees, their system favours the wealthy and often disregards the poor (even those who work full time). Albion.

9:30am Sun 8 Dec 13

BertSanders says...

- still remain within the legal limit! or get a taxi.
- still remain within the legal limit! or get a taxi. BertSanders

10:06am Sun 8 Dec 13

MontyLeMar says...

Watch Days of Wine and Roses or even Crazy Heart for an instant sobering effect if you like a drop too much. The sooner the police introduce Drunk Tanks the better. I've hung one on a few times in my life but was always sober enough to get a taxi. But if your liver is giving you gip and you still get smashed then you deserve what's coming. They say the hallucinations you have towards the end of terminal liver cancer are particularly gruesome.
Watch Days of Wine and Roses or even Crazy Heart for an instant sobering effect if you like a drop too much. The sooner the police introduce Drunk Tanks the better. I've hung one on a few times in my life but was always sober enough to get a taxi. But if your liver is giving you gip and you still get smashed then you deserve what's coming. They say the hallucinations you have towards the end of terminal liver cancer are particularly gruesome. MontyLeMar

10:10am Sun 8 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

Albion. wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
Figures for Bradford show the total cost of alcohol-related treatment in Bradford was £35 million last year, including £6.7 million in A&E attendances and £7 million in outpatients appointments,
lets have some figures on how much tax and national insurance people like me pay every year.
work hard, play hard.
only time of year some of us WORKERS get to go out.
not all of us can go out on dole money every week!!
only country in the world were you get punished for working and they expect you to not enjoy your earnings.
i pay for the nhs and still pay for treatment!
whats that all about?
time for a usa style health system where your insurance contributions actually pay for you!!
while i'm ranting, working till i'm 68 while you freeloaders get everything?
come on cameron sort em out!!
That's broadly true but your argument isn't with the Doctor (he has to work within a budget set by others) and doesn't take into account the cost of other treatments that aren't associated will alcohol or substance use.
I have friends in America who can't always get the treatment that they need, because they can't afford the excess fees, their system favours the wealthy and often disregards the poor (even those who work full time).
my main gripe is with having to pay all the taxes, national insurance and then prescriptions to get well to go back to work asap.
while people who have no need to rush to get well get everything free!!
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: Figures for Bradford show the total cost of alcohol-related treatment in Bradford was £35 million last year, including £6.7 million in A&E attendances and £7 million in outpatients appointments, lets have some figures on how much tax and national insurance people like me pay every year. work hard, play hard. only time of year some of us WORKERS get to go out. not all of us can go out on dole money every week!! only country in the world were you get punished for working and they expect you to not enjoy your earnings. i pay for the nhs and still pay for treatment! whats that all about? time for a usa style health system where your insurance contributions actually pay for you!! while i'm ranting, working till i'm 68 while you freeloaders get everything? come on cameron sort em out!![/p][/quote]That's broadly true but your argument isn't with the Doctor (he has to work within a budget set by others) and doesn't take into account the cost of other treatments that aren't associated will alcohol or substance use. I have friends in America who can't always get the treatment that they need, because they can't afford the excess fees, their system favours the wealthy and often disregards the poor (even those who work full time).[/p][/quote]my main gripe is with having to pay all the taxes, national insurance and then prescriptions to get well to go back to work asap. while people who have no need to rush to get well get everything free!! tinytoonster

10:14am Sun 8 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

and whats with the default question, do you drink or smoke?
it was a perforated eardrum. WTF??
blame everything on them. proof please!!
and whats with the default question, do you drink or smoke? it was a perforated eardrum. WTF?? blame everything on them. proof please!! tinytoonster

10:25am Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

The trouble with A&E is the immigrants who turn up with tummy twinge, or head ache. or some other problem that should at first be addressed by a Doctor, if at all. Not only are they going to A&E but they take along the whole family, six or seven tagging along getting under feet. That is the NHS drain of resources.
The trouble with A&E is the immigrants who turn up with tummy twinge, or head ache. or some other problem that should at first be addressed by a Doctor, if at all. Not only are they going to A&E but they take along the whole family, six or seven tagging along getting under feet. That is the NHS drain of resources. alive and awake

10:30am Sun 8 Dec 13

OLDLAD says...

Bill the drunks at a and e for self induced damage. NHS not designed for inconsiderate people to abuse.
Bill the drunks at a and e for self induced damage. NHS not designed for inconsiderate people to abuse. OLDLAD

10:57am Sun 8 Dec 13

dellorri says...

tinytoonster wrote:
Figures for Bradford show the total cost of alcohol-related treatment in Bradford was £35 million last year, including £6.7 million in A&E attendances and £7 million in outpatients appointments,
lets have some figures on how much tax and national insurance people like me pay every year.
work hard, play hard.
only time of year some of us WORKERS get to go out.
not all of us can go out on dole money every week!!
only country in the world were you get punished for working and they expect you to not enjoy your earnings.
i pay for the nhs and still pay for treatment!
whats that all about?
time for a usa style health system where your insurance contributions actually pay for you!!
while i'm ranting, working till i'm 68 while you freeloaders get everything?
come on cameron sort em out!!
Oh you do love a good moan don't you, and you're not going to let any FACTS get in the way of that moan, but I'll help you out with some FACTS and figures any ok? taking yur gripes one by one.......
1: Your figures as shown are quite correct, but, the majority of those patients would have had disposable income, so more than likely would have been WORKING people rather than out of work.
This is due to the fact that the maximum JSA payable is £71.70 for a single person over 25 and £53.80 under 25, when you consider, they have to pay bills, food, fares, clothing, out of that meagre amount each week, do you really think they have HUGE amounts of cash to go out on the lash every night? OR do you just think the Daily mail would like you to believe that?
2: If you really want to know how much tax and NI you pay each year, HMRC very handily send out a document called a "P60", this gives you a total breakdown of all payments made during the prior year, and says on the top in big bold letters "KEEP THIS FOR YOUR RECORDS"
3: Why is it the only time of year you can go out to drink? don't you get other days off then, Oh and unlike those on JSA/ESA, I bet your boss doesn't say "you didnt fill in this form properly, so you don't get any wages for four weeks, but you still have to work."
4: They expect you to not enjoy your earnings, well the Rowntree foundation report published today, said "There are more working families in POVERTY today than at any time sionce the 1920s" due to wages not keeping pace with inflation, utility price rises, etc. so if you're finding it hard on your wages, think how hard a 23 yr old is finding it on JSA of just over £50 a week, that's to pay for everything mind you even, if he's lucky enough to have a flat, part of his rent.
5: Yes you pay for the NHS, no you don't pay for treatment, what you pay for are prescriptions, but you can ease that burden a little by buying pre-paid certificates for prescriptions to cover you for 6 months or a year.
6: I'd love to see you in a USA style system, where all my American friends long for the same wonderful NHS that we have, Do you think that you could find a job where you could afford to pay upwards of £450 per person each month for health insurance in your family? because that's how much it costs. I'm not lying I have no reason to, you could be lucky and get a job which will include basic health insurance, i.e. GP visits, dental plans, but get anything serious wrong with you, cancer etc. become disabled, you are then more or less guaranteed to become bankrupt.
7: As for the pension age rising, as I've said in posts elsewhere, there is no need for it to rise, the money is there to pay pensions, but it is being prioritised for use elsewhere in the TORIES grandiose schemes, like UNIVERSAL CREDIT dreamt up by IDS which it seems in the end will have cost you the hard working tax payer over £300 million that is going to be written off, and it doesn't seem as if it iss going to work anyway. There is also the little matter of £10 million being spent on NEW OFFICE FURNITURE in GIDEOT OSBOURNES office. So it seems that the money is there, JUST NOT FOR YOU.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: Figures for Bradford show the total cost of alcohol-related treatment in Bradford was £35 million last year, including £6.7 million in A&E attendances and £7 million in outpatients appointments, lets have some figures on how much tax and national insurance people like me pay every year. work hard, play hard. only time of year some of us WORKERS get to go out. not all of us can go out on dole money every week!! only country in the world were you get punished for working and they expect you to not enjoy your earnings. i pay for the nhs and still pay for treatment! whats that all about? time for a usa style health system where your insurance contributions actually pay for you!! while i'm ranting, working till i'm 68 while you freeloaders get everything? come on cameron sort em out!![/p][/quote]Oh you do love a good moan don't you, and you're not going to let any FACTS get in the way of that moan, but I'll help you out with some FACTS and figures any ok? taking yur gripes one by one....... 1: Your figures as shown are quite correct, but, the majority of those patients would have had disposable income, so more than likely would have been WORKING people rather than out of work. This is due to the fact that the maximum JSA payable is £71.70 for a single person over 25 and £53.80 under 25, when you consider, they have to pay bills, food, fares, clothing, out of that meagre amount each week, do you really think they have HUGE amounts of cash to go out on the lash every night? OR do you just think the Daily mail would like you to believe that? 2: If you really want to know how much tax and NI you pay each year, HMRC very handily send out a document called a "P60", this gives you a total breakdown of all payments made during the prior year, and says on the top in big bold letters "KEEP THIS FOR YOUR RECORDS" 3: Why is it the only time of year you can go out to drink? don't you get other days off then, Oh and unlike those on JSA/ESA, I bet your boss doesn't say "you didnt fill in this form properly, so you don't get any wages for four weeks, but you still have to work." 4: They expect you to not enjoy your earnings, well the Rowntree foundation report published today, said "There are more working families in POVERTY today than at any time sionce the 1920s" due to wages not keeping pace with inflation, utility price rises, etc. so if you're finding it hard on your wages, think how hard a 23 yr old is finding it on JSA of just over £50 a week, that's to pay for everything mind you even, if he's lucky enough to have a flat, part of his rent. 5: Yes you pay for the NHS, no you don't pay for treatment, what you pay for are prescriptions, but you can ease that burden a little by buying pre-paid certificates for prescriptions to cover you for 6 months or a year. 6: I'd love to see you in a USA style system, where all my American friends long for the same wonderful NHS that we have, Do you think that you could find a job where you could afford to pay upwards of £450 per person each month for health insurance in your family? because that's how much it costs. I'm not lying I have no reason to, you could be lucky and get a job which will include basic health insurance, i.e. GP visits, dental plans, but get anything serious wrong with you, cancer etc. become disabled, you are then more or less guaranteed to become bankrupt. 7: As for the pension age rising, as I've said in posts elsewhere, there is no need for it to rise, the money is there to pay pensions, but it is being prioritised for use elsewhere in the TORIES grandiose schemes, like UNIVERSAL CREDIT dreamt up by IDS which it seems in the end will have cost you the hard working tax payer over £300 million that is going to be written off, and it doesn't seem as if it iss going to work anyway. There is also the little matter of £10 million being spent on NEW OFFICE FURNITURE in GIDEOT OSBOURNES office. So it seems that the money is there, JUST NOT FOR YOU. dellorri

11:56am Sun 8 Dec 13

The Hoffster says...

"Alcohol abuse 'costing Britain between £3 and 6bn a year'

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
19699/Alcohol-abuse-
costing-Britain-6bn-
year.html

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"Alcohol abuse 'costing Britain between £3 and 6bn a year' http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 19699/Alcohol-abuse- costing-Britain-6bn- year.html --------- The Hoffster

12:42pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

OLDLAD wrote:
Bill the drunks at a and e for self induced damage. NHS not designed for inconsiderate people to abuse.
Your right but I think you will find the culprits I Identify far outnumber the drunks.
[quote][p][bold]OLDLAD[/bold] wrote: Bill the drunks at a and e for self induced damage. NHS not designed for inconsiderate people to abuse.[/p][/quote]Your right but I think you will find the culprits I Identify far outnumber the drunks. alive and awake

1:25pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income. RollandSmoke

1:33pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority. alive and awake

1:41pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.[/p][/quote]By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses RollandSmoke

2:00pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses
It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits?
Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax?

I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them.
avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.[/p][/quote]By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses[/p][/quote]It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits? Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax? I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them. avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most. alive and awake

2:10pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses
It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits?
Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax?

I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them.
avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.
Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.[/p][/quote]By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses[/p][/quote]It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits? Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax? I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them. avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.[/p][/quote]Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media. RollandSmoke

2:27pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses
It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits?
Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax?

I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them.
avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.
Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.
I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it.
The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food.
Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.[/p][/quote]By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses[/p][/quote]It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits? Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax? I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them. avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.[/p][/quote]Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.[/p][/quote]I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it. The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food. Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it. alive and awake

2:44pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses
It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits?
Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax?

I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them.
avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.
Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.
I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it.
The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food.
Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.
As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right.
Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.[/p][/quote]By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses[/p][/quote]It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits? Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax? I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them. avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.[/p][/quote]Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.[/p][/quote]I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it. The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food. Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.[/p][/quote]As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right. Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese. RollandSmoke

4:59pm Sun 8 Dec 13

dellorri says...

Ok let's adorn this with some actual figures that people REALLY get on benefits, rather than what people commenting on here THINK they get, as per the influence of the media such as the Daily fail or the Torygraph.....

JSA for under 25s £53.80 per week
JSA for over 25's £71.20 per week
JSA for a couple £110 per week
housing benefit for a single person under 35 paid at the shared room rate
£69.95 per week, remember this goes towards rent, not into their pocket.

There is NO income support anymore since April 13th 2013
There is NO social fund anymore since April 13th 2013
There are NO crisis loans from DWP anymore since APRIL 13th 2013

From April 13th ALL social funds have been handed over to local authourities to administer, with a 10% cut in the funding, The money available is not ringfenced for this purpose and the LA can use it for any purpose they deem necessary. This means that once the money has been used up, there is no more, no matter how desperate the need of the claimant.

Should a JSA claimant be sanctioned for any reason, he can apply for a hardship payment to help him through the sanction period, an initial sanction is 4 weeks, on making a claim for a hardship payment, claimants are advised it can take 4 weeks to process their application for that payment to go through.

Esa in the assessment phase is paid at the same rates as JSA, it is only after the WCA assessment has taken place and a DWP decision maker has decided if you are ill or if you are miraculously cured and fit for work, that your status changes and your final benefit payments are decided.

Those in the support group get slightly more than on JSA as they are classed as severely ill or disabled and NEVER likely to return to work, thus most in need of help. Those in the WRAG group, get about £10 more than on JSA in order tohelp with travel costs, and help in order to get them fit enough to go back to work at some point in the future. Which is quite humorous really, as some of the people in the WRAG group have terminal illnesses, but have a life expectancy of MORE than 6 months, which is the criteria for automatic placement into the support group.
Still rules are rules eh? might as well flog a dying jobseeker as a dead horse, what do you think?
Ok let's adorn this with some actual figures that people REALLY get on benefits, rather than what people commenting on here THINK they get, as per the influence of the media such as the Daily fail or the Torygraph..... JSA for under 25s £53.80 per week JSA for over 25's £71.20 per week JSA for a couple £110 per week housing benefit for a single person under 35 paid at the shared room rate £69.95 per week, remember this goes towards rent, not into their pocket. There is NO income support anymore since April 13th 2013 There is NO social fund anymore since April 13th 2013 There are NO crisis loans from DWP anymore since APRIL 13th 2013 From April 13th ALL social funds have been handed over to local authourities to administer, with a 10% cut in the funding, The money available is not ringfenced for this purpose and the LA can use it for any purpose they deem necessary. This means that once the money has been used up, there is no more, no matter how desperate the need of the claimant. Should a JSA claimant be sanctioned for any reason, he can apply for a hardship payment to help him through the sanction period, an initial sanction is 4 weeks, on making a claim for a hardship payment, claimants are advised it can take 4 weeks to process their application for that payment to go through. Esa in the assessment phase is paid at the same rates as JSA, it is only after the WCA assessment has taken place and a DWP decision maker has decided if you are ill or if you are miraculously cured and fit for work, that your status changes and your final benefit payments are decided. Those in the support group get slightly more than on JSA as they are classed as severely ill or disabled and NEVER likely to return to work, thus most in need of help. Those in the WRAG group, get about £10 more than on JSA in order tohelp with travel costs, and help in order to get them fit enough to go back to work at some point in the future. Which is quite humorous really, as some of the people in the WRAG group have terminal illnesses, but have a life expectancy of MORE than 6 months, which is the criteria for automatic placement into the support group. Still rules are rules eh? might as well flog a dying jobseeker as a dead horse, what do you think? dellorri

5:24pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses
It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits?
Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax?

I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them.
avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.
Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.
I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it.
The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food.
Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.
As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right.
Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.
As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing!
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.[/p][/quote]By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses[/p][/quote]It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits? Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax? I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them. avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.[/p][/quote]Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.[/p][/quote]I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it. The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food. Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.[/p][/quote]As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right. Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.[/p][/quote]As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing! alive and awake

6:18pm Sun 8 Dec 13

pellethead says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses
It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits?
Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax?

I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them.
avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.
Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.
I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it.
The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food.
Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.
go on then smart arrse. Just how much do Eastern Europeans get on benefits?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.[/p][/quote]By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses[/p][/quote]It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits? Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax? I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them. avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.[/p][/quote]Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.[/p][/quote]I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it. The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food. Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.[/p][/quote]go on then smart arrse. Just how much do Eastern Europeans get on benefits? pellethead

6:39pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses
It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits?
Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax?

I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them.
avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.
Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.
I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it.
The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food.
Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.
As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right.
Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.
As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing!
I pick examples that I know exist rather than what I'm told exist by the propaganda rags. Or are you suggesting your example of benefits claimants receiving £35,000 is not cherry picking. Whilst I like a good debate I feel with you that I'm mocking the afflicted and I've always believed that to be wrong. I would change your user name as whilst you may indeed be alive you most certainly are not awake. For your information the state, whoever may be in charge, has a duty of care. Whilst you may not be happy with Labour for fulfilling this responsibility the Tories have not only failed in their duty they are guilty of severe neglect that has resulted in the loss of life of thousands of the weakest and poorest in society. This neglect has not happened by accident and has continued long after the issues have been brought to their attention. You are no better than a Nazi for cheerleading this scum. Ignorance is not an excuse. Personally I'd hang the lot of them.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.[/p][/quote]By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses[/p][/quote]It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits? Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax? I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them. avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.[/p][/quote]Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.[/p][/quote]I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it. The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food. Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.[/p][/quote]As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right. Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.[/p][/quote]As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing![/p][/quote]I pick examples that I know exist rather than what I'm told exist by the propaganda rags. Or are you suggesting your example of benefits claimants receiving £35,000 is not cherry picking. Whilst I like a good debate I feel with you that I'm mocking the afflicted and I've always believed that to be wrong. I would change your user name as whilst you may indeed be alive you most certainly are not awake. For your information the state, whoever may be in charge, has a duty of care. Whilst you may not be happy with Labour for fulfilling this responsibility the Tories have not only failed in their duty they are guilty of severe neglect that has resulted in the loss of life of thousands of the weakest and poorest in society. This neglect has not happened by accident and has continued long after the issues have been brought to their attention. You are no better than a Nazi for cheerleading this scum. Ignorance is not an excuse. Personally I'd hang the lot of them. RollandSmoke

6:59pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses
It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits?
Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax?

I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them.
avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.
Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.
I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it.
The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food.
Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.
As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right.
Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.
As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing!
I pick examples that I know exist rather than what I'm told exist by the propaganda rags. Or are you suggesting your example of benefits claimants receiving £35,000 is not cherry picking. Whilst I like a good debate I feel with you that I'm mocking the afflicted and I've always believed that to be wrong. I would change your user name as whilst you may indeed be alive you most certainly are not awake. For your information the state, whoever may be in charge, has a duty of care. Whilst you may not be happy with Labour for fulfilling this responsibility the Tories have not only failed in their duty they are guilty of severe neglect that has resulted in the loss of life of thousands of the weakest and poorest in society. This neglect has not happened by accident and has continued long after the issues have been brought to their attention. You are no better than a Nazi for cheerleading this scum. Ignorance is not an excuse. Personally I'd hang the lot of them.
LOSS OF LIFE- read Blair!
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.[/p][/quote]By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses[/p][/quote]It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits? Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax? I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them. avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.[/p][/quote]Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.[/p][/quote]I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it. The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food. Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.[/p][/quote]As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right. Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.[/p][/quote]As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing![/p][/quote]I pick examples that I know exist rather than what I'm told exist by the propaganda rags. Or are you suggesting your example of benefits claimants receiving £35,000 is not cherry picking. Whilst I like a good debate I feel with you that I'm mocking the afflicted and I've always believed that to be wrong. I would change your user name as whilst you may indeed be alive you most certainly are not awake. For your information the state, whoever may be in charge, has a duty of care. Whilst you may not be happy with Labour for fulfilling this responsibility the Tories have not only failed in their duty they are guilty of severe neglect that has resulted in the loss of life of thousands of the weakest and poorest in society. This neglect has not happened by accident and has continued long after the issues have been brought to their attention. You are no better than a Nazi for cheerleading this scum. Ignorance is not an excuse. Personally I'd hang the lot of them.[/p][/quote]LOSS OF LIFE- read Blair! alive and awake

7:01pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

pellethead wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses
It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits?
Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax?

I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them.
avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.
Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.
I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it.
The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food.
Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.
go on then smart arrse. Just how much do Eastern Europeans get on benefits?
most families are getting between £25,000 and £30,000 within weeks of landing.
[quote][p][bold]pellethead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.[/p][/quote]By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses[/p][/quote]It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits? Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax? I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them. avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.[/p][/quote]Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.[/p][/quote]I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it. The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food. Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.[/p][/quote]go on then smart arrse. Just how much do Eastern Europeans get on benefits?[/p][/quote]most families are getting between £25,000 and £30,000 within weeks of landing. alive and awake

7:15pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses
It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits?
Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax?

I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them.
avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.
Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.
I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it.
The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food.
Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.
As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right.
Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.
As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing!
I pick examples that I know exist rather than what I'm told exist by the propaganda rags. Or are you suggesting your example of benefits claimants receiving £35,000 is not cherry picking. Whilst I like a good debate I feel with you that I'm mocking the afflicted and I've always believed that to be wrong. I would change your user name as whilst you may indeed be alive you most certainly are not awake. For your information the state, whoever may be in charge, has a duty of care. Whilst you may not be happy with Labour for fulfilling this responsibility the Tories have not only failed in their duty they are guilty of severe neglect that has resulted in the loss of life of thousands of the weakest and poorest in society. This neglect has not happened by accident and has continued long after the issues have been brought to their attention. You are no better than a Nazi for cheerleading this scum. Ignorance is not an excuse. Personally I'd hang the lot of them.
LOSS OF LIFE- read Blair!
Whilst I remember the Blair years well I don't remember British people dying in their thousands. I assume you must be talking about the wars that we were conned into going into? If this is the case then please tell me when exactly the Tories declared war on the British public? If not then provide a link to what exactly you are talking about. You should be able to do this as unlike the Tories Labour haven't been deleting records from the internet.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.[/p][/quote]By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses[/p][/quote]It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits? Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax? I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them. avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.[/p][/quote]Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.[/p][/quote]I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it. The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food. Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.[/p][/quote]As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right. Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.[/p][/quote]As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing![/p][/quote]I pick examples that I know exist rather than what I'm told exist by the propaganda rags. Or are you suggesting your example of benefits claimants receiving £35,000 is not cherry picking. Whilst I like a good debate I feel with you that I'm mocking the afflicted and I've always believed that to be wrong. I would change your user name as whilst you may indeed be alive you most certainly are not awake. For your information the state, whoever may be in charge, has a duty of care. Whilst you may not be happy with Labour for fulfilling this responsibility the Tories have not only failed in their duty they are guilty of severe neglect that has resulted in the loss of life of thousands of the weakest and poorest in society. This neglect has not happened by accident and has continued long after the issues have been brought to their attention. You are no better than a Nazi for cheerleading this scum. Ignorance is not an excuse. Personally I'd hang the lot of them.[/p][/quote]LOSS OF LIFE- read Blair![/p][/quote]Whilst I remember the Blair years well I don't remember British people dying in their thousands. I assume you must be talking about the wars that we were conned into going into? If this is the case then please tell me when exactly the Tories declared war on the British public? If not then provide a link to what exactly you are talking about. You should be able to do this as unlike the Tories Labour haven't been deleting records from the internet. RollandSmoke

7:26pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Victor Clayton says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses
It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits?
Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax?

I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them.
avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.
Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.
I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it.
The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food.
Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.
As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right.
Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.
As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing!
I pick examples that I know exist rather than what I'm told exist by the propaganda rags. Or are you suggesting your example of benefits claimants receiving £35,000 is not cherry picking. Whilst I like a good debate I feel with you that I'm mocking the afflicted and I've always believed that to be wrong. I would change your user name as whilst you may indeed be alive you most certainly are not awake. For your information the state, whoever may be in charge, has a duty of care. Whilst you may not be happy with Labour for fulfilling this responsibility the Tories have not only failed in their duty they are guilty of severe neglect that has resulted in the loss of life of thousands of the weakest and poorest in society. This neglect has not happened by accident and has continued long after the issues have been brought to their attention. You are no better than a Nazi for cheerleading this scum. Ignorance is not an excuse. Personally I'd hang the lot of them.
LOSS OF LIFE- read Blair!
I am with you alive and awake. Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.[/p][/quote]By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses[/p][/quote]It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits? Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax? I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them. avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.[/p][/quote]Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.[/p][/quote]I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it. The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food. Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.[/p][/quote]As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right. Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.[/p][/quote]As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing![/p][/quote]I pick examples that I know exist rather than what I'm told exist by the propaganda rags. Or are you suggesting your example of benefits claimants receiving £35,000 is not cherry picking. Whilst I like a good debate I feel with you that I'm mocking the afflicted and I've always believed that to be wrong. I would change your user name as whilst you may indeed be alive you most certainly are not awake. For your information the state, whoever may be in charge, has a duty of care. Whilst you may not be happy with Labour for fulfilling this responsibility the Tories have not only failed in their duty they are guilty of severe neglect that has resulted in the loss of life of thousands of the weakest and poorest in society. This neglect has not happened by accident and has continued long after the issues have been brought to their attention. You are no better than a Nazi for cheerleading this scum. Ignorance is not an excuse. Personally I'd hang the lot of them.[/p][/quote]LOSS OF LIFE- read Blair![/p][/quote]I am with you alive and awake. Spot on. Victor Clayton

7:26pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses
It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits?
Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax?

I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them.
avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.
Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.
I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it.
The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food.
Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.
As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right.
Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.
As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing!
I pick examples that I know exist rather than what I'm told exist by the propaganda rags. Or are you suggesting your example of benefits claimants receiving £35,000 is not cherry picking. Whilst I like a good debate I feel with you that I'm mocking the afflicted and I've always believed that to be wrong. I would change your user name as whilst you may indeed be alive you most certainly are not awake. For your information the state, whoever may be in charge, has a duty of care. Whilst you may not be happy with Labour for fulfilling this responsibility the Tories have not only failed in their duty they are guilty of severe neglect that has resulted in the loss of life of thousands of the weakest and poorest in society. This neglect has not happened by accident and has continued long after the issues have been brought to their attention. You are no better than a Nazi for cheerleading this scum. Ignorance is not an excuse. Personally I'd hang the lot of them.
LOSS OF LIFE- read Blair!
Whilst I remember the Blair years well I don't remember British people dying in their thousands. I assume you must be talking about the wars that we were conned into going into? If this is the case then please tell me when exactly the Tories declared war on the British public? If not then provide a link to what exactly you are talking about. You should be able to do this as unlike the Tories Labour haven't been deleting records from the internet.
LOL my my you are getting desperate now.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.[/p][/quote]By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses[/p][/quote]It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits? Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax? I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them. avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.[/p][/quote]Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.[/p][/quote]I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it. The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food. Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.[/p][/quote]As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right. Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.[/p][/quote]As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing![/p][/quote]I pick examples that I know exist rather than what I'm told exist by the propaganda rags. Or are you suggesting your example of benefits claimants receiving £35,000 is not cherry picking. Whilst I like a good debate I feel with you that I'm mocking the afflicted and I've always believed that to be wrong. I would change your user name as whilst you may indeed be alive you most certainly are not awake. For your information the state, whoever may be in charge, has a duty of care. Whilst you may not be happy with Labour for fulfilling this responsibility the Tories have not only failed in their duty they are guilty of severe neglect that has resulted in the loss of life of thousands of the weakest and poorest in society. This neglect has not happened by accident and has continued long after the issues have been brought to their attention. You are no better than a Nazi for cheerleading this scum. Ignorance is not an excuse. Personally I'd hang the lot of them.[/p][/quote]LOSS OF LIFE- read Blair![/p][/quote]Whilst I remember the Blair years well I don't remember British people dying in their thousands. I assume you must be talking about the wars that we were conned into going into? If this is the case then please tell me when exactly the Tories declared war on the British public? If not then provide a link to what exactly you are talking about. You should be able to do this as unlike the Tories Labour haven't been deleting records from the internet.[/p][/quote]LOL my my you are getting desperate now. alive and awake

7:30pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses
It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits?
Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax?

I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them.
avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.
Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.
I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it.
The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food.
Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.
As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right.
Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.
As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing!
I pick examples that I know exist rather than what I'm told exist by the propaganda rags. Or are you suggesting your example of benefits claimants receiving £35,000 is not cherry picking. Whilst I like a good debate I feel with you that I'm mocking the afflicted and I've always believed that to be wrong. I would change your user name as whilst you may indeed be alive you most certainly are not awake. For your information the state, whoever may be in charge, has a duty of care. Whilst you may not be happy with Labour for fulfilling this responsibility the Tories have not only failed in their duty they are guilty of severe neglect that has resulted in the loss of life of thousands of the weakest and poorest in society. This neglect has not happened by accident and has continued long after the issues have been brought to their attention. You are no better than a Nazi for cheerleading this scum. Ignorance is not an excuse. Personally I'd hang the lot of them.
LOSS OF LIFE- read Blair!
Whilst I remember the Blair years well I don't remember British people dying in their thousands. I assume you must be talking about the wars that we were conned into going into? If this is the case then please tell me when exactly the Tories declared war on the British public? If not then provide a link to what exactly you are talking about. You should be able to do this as unlike the Tories Labour haven't been deleting records from the internet.
LOL my my you are getting desperate now.
Me and 6 million others in the UK the majority of whom are working.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.[/p][/quote]By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses[/p][/quote]It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits? Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax? I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them. avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.[/p][/quote]Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.[/p][/quote]I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it. The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food. Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.[/p][/quote]As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right. Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.[/p][/quote]As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing![/p][/quote]I pick examples that I know exist rather than what I'm told exist by the propaganda rags. Or are you suggesting your example of benefits claimants receiving £35,000 is not cherry picking. Whilst I like a good debate I feel with you that I'm mocking the afflicted and I've always believed that to be wrong. I would change your user name as whilst you may indeed be alive you most certainly are not awake. For your information the state, whoever may be in charge, has a duty of care. Whilst you may not be happy with Labour for fulfilling this responsibility the Tories have not only failed in their duty they are guilty of severe neglect that has resulted in the loss of life of thousands of the weakest and poorest in society. This neglect has not happened by accident and has continued long after the issues have been brought to their attention. You are no better than a Nazi for cheerleading this scum. Ignorance is not an excuse. Personally I'd hang the lot of them.[/p][/quote]LOSS OF LIFE- read Blair![/p][/quote]Whilst I remember the Blair years well I don't remember British people dying in their thousands. I assume you must be talking about the wars that we were conned into going into? If this is the case then please tell me when exactly the Tories declared war on the British public? If not then provide a link to what exactly you are talking about. You should be able to do this as unlike the Tories Labour haven't been deleting records from the internet.[/p][/quote]LOL my my you are getting desperate now.[/p][/quote]Me and 6 million others in the UK the majority of whom are working. RollandSmoke

7:34pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.
mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.
By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses
It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits?
Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax?

I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them.
avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.
Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.
I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it.
The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food.
Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.
As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right.
Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.
As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing!
I pick examples that I know exist rather than what I'm told exist by the propaganda rags. Or are you suggesting your example of benefits claimants receiving £35,000 is not cherry picking. Whilst I like a good debate I feel with you that I'm mocking the afflicted and I've always believed that to be wrong. I would change your user name as whilst you may indeed be alive you most certainly are not awake. For your information the state, whoever may be in charge, has a duty of care. Whilst you may not be happy with Labour for fulfilling this responsibility the Tories have not only failed in their duty they are guilty of severe neglect that has resulted in the loss of life of thousands of the weakest and poorest in society. This neglect has not happened by accident and has continued long after the issues have been brought to their attention. You are no better than a Nazi for cheerleading this scum. Ignorance is not an excuse. Personally I'd hang the lot of them.
LOSS OF LIFE- read Blair!
Whilst I remember the Blair years well I don't remember British people dying in their thousands. I assume you must be talking about the wars that we were conned into going into? If this is the case then please tell me when exactly the Tories declared war on the British public? If not then provide a link to what exactly you are talking about. You should be able to do this as unlike the Tories Labour haven't been deleting records from the internet.
LOL my my you are getting desperate now.
Me and 6 million others in the UK the majority of whom are working.
yeh but your not and it's obvious why.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: As many people are thinking before they eat and thinking before they put their heating on I should imaging they will be thinking before they drink especially as for some a single celebratory pint will equate to 5% of their weekly income.[/p][/quote]mmmm funny though many who struggle to feed themselves, or put the heating on, have no qualms regarding smoking, mobile phones, internet, cars, or many more non essential luxuries. It's all about priority.[/p][/quote]By all means talk out of your backside, you seem to have a talent for it. The government leaves the claimant little choice but to have the internet and if you are looking for work it helps if the prospective employers can get in touch with them. Don't know if anyone's ever mentioned this to you but smoking is an addiction that is sanctioned by the Government as they like the tax money. If anyone reliant on JSA can afford to run a car then I suggest we sack Gideon and employ this person in his place as they are obviously economic geniuses[/p][/quote]It's not just job seekers allowance they get, what about all the other benefits? Up to equivalant of £35,000 before tax? I remember people setting up home in the 50's and 60's. the 4 walls and a roof was an achieivment enough. They didn't have a fridge, washer, dish washer, freezer, central heating, or indeed carpets, double glazing, cars holidays abroad, or even holidays anywhere, top of the range TV or music systems, all these came much later when they could afford them. avoiding debt at all cost. These are the very people who are being hit the most.[/p][/quote]Find me anyone in Bradford that is receiving anything like £35,000 in benefits. What's that you say? there's no way you can possibly know what people are getting? You don't say, although you demonstrate it well. It seems to me you swallow the headlines without question. Well that's your choice I suppose but explain to me why you come on here when you believe that the T&A are printing lies from all the charitable organisations who are saying on near enough a daily basis that we have a real crisis in this country with Bradford being hit much harder than most?. Get out and meet a few of the people you look down your nose at and see if their lives reflect the narrative offered to you by the demonising media.[/p][/quote]I never look down the nose at anyone, and anyone who came from my impoverished background never would. I can remember as a small child, the struggle my Grand parents, and my parents had.We new what poverty was, but never asked for and never received hand outs, eating was always our priority, and we were always well fed with the basic of ingredients, due to the skill of all my Grand parents, passed down to all our family, skills that I find so useful today. Thats why I say I can feed a family of 6 with 3 square meals per day for £6. In those days people would never scream poverty they were too proud ,and just got on with it. The food banks are a prime example. Of course more food banks have opened, and are being widely used, the Eastern Europeans have cottoned on to them, they think its real, free food. Don't assume I don't know what benefits people might get, I do know and witness on various occasions the massive amounts the Eastern Europeans are getting, people would simply not believe it.[/p][/quote]As you can't just go to a foodbank and get food, you have to be referred, would you like to explain how the Eastern Europeans are managing to get these referrals?. Could it be that the benefit claimants who you believe are doing better than they should be are getting support from their families? Is it wrong for their families to help them? Would you watch your family struggle if you had the ability to make life a little easier for them? I have been in the flats of single people with a TV from freecycle, a settee that someone was throwing out and pretty much nothing else. Holidays and a car? yeah right. Not to worry though, we're saved. We can all get jobs pleasuring pigs for the Chinese.[/p][/quote]As ever you cherry pick examples, single poor souls, who are tottaly reliant on help thanks to 13 years of nanny state under Labour. Thankfully it will be decades before Labour get in control again, and by then the next 2 generations will understand what self respect and social decency is all about. Why is it most of the YOBS are among those who get most given and most of the snobs receive nothing![/p][/quote]I pick examples that I know exist rather than what I'm told exist by the propaganda rags. Or are you suggesting your example of benefits claimants receiving £35,000 is not cherry picking. Whilst I like a good debate I feel with you that I'm mocking the afflicted and I've always believed that to be wrong. I would change your user name as whilst you may indeed be alive you most certainly are not awake. For your information the state, whoever may be in charge, has a duty of care. Whilst you may not be happy with Labour for fulfilling this responsibility the Tories have not only failed in their duty they are guilty of severe neglect that has resulted in the loss of life of thousands of the weakest and poorest in society. This neglect has not happened by accident and has continued long after the issues have been brought to their attention. You are no better than a Nazi for cheerleading this scum. Ignorance is not an excuse. Personally I'd hang the lot of them.[/p][/quote]LOSS OF LIFE- read Blair![/p][/quote]Whilst I remember the Blair years well I don't remember British people dying in their thousands. I assume you must be talking about the wars that we were conned into going into? If this is the case then please tell me when exactly the Tories declared war on the British public? If not then provide a link to what exactly you are talking about. You should be able to do this as unlike the Tories Labour haven't been deleting records from the internet.[/p][/quote]LOL my my you are getting desperate now.[/p][/quote]Me and 6 million others in the UK the majority of whom are working.[/p][/quote]yeh but your not and it's obvious why. alive and awake

7:45pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me. RollandSmoke

7:52pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful alive and awake

7:54pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill. RollandSmoke

8:07pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful? alive and awake

8:13pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?[/p][/quote]I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick? RollandSmoke

8:23pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?
MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?[/p][/quote]I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?[/p][/quote]MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose. alive and awake

8:44pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?
MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.
What value do you put on a life sicko? A Tory calling other people selfish? Don't make me laugh.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?[/p][/quote]I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?[/p][/quote]MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.[/p][/quote]What value do you put on a life sicko? A Tory calling other people selfish? Don't make me laugh. RollandSmoke

9:00pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?
MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.
What value do you put on a life sicko? A Tory calling other people selfish? Don't make me laugh.
I am not a Tory, and why are you calling me names, are you getting frustrated? All socialists become selfish and greedy, and want more , more, more, but they want it giving. They are also never satisfied., The Unions are a prime example. they forget the money comes from ordinary people but they don't care, greed greed greed. Union leaders on more money than the Prime Minister. What!
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?[/p][/quote]I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?[/p][/quote]MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.[/p][/quote]What value do you put on a life sicko? A Tory calling other people selfish? Don't make me laugh.[/p][/quote]I am not a Tory, and why are you calling me names, are you getting frustrated? All socialists become selfish and greedy, and want more , more, more, but they want it giving. They are also never satisfied., The Unions are a prime example. they forget the money comes from ordinary people but they don't care, greed greed greed. Union leaders on more money than the Prime Minister. What! alive and awake

9:06pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?
MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.
How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?[/p][/quote]I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?[/p][/quote]MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.[/p][/quote]How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax? RollandSmoke

9:16pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?
MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.
How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?
You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?[/p][/quote]I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?[/p][/quote]MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.[/p][/quote]How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?[/p][/quote]You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you. alive and awake

9:21pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?
MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.
How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?
You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.
Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?[/p][/quote]I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?[/p][/quote]MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.[/p][/quote]How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?[/p][/quote]You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.[/p][/quote]Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions. RollandSmoke

9:27pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?
MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.
How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?
You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.
Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.
No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?[/p][/quote]I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?[/p][/quote]MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.[/p][/quote]How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?[/p][/quote]You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.[/p][/quote]Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.[/p][/quote]No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied. alive and awake

9:32pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?
MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.
How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?
You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.
Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.
No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied.
I know, what an ungrateful little Goyim I am. It's like I don't know my place or something. It's been so nice of the Tories to have caused so many foodbanks to open up and down the country to satisfy peoples greed.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?[/p][/quote]I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?[/p][/quote]MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.[/p][/quote]How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?[/p][/quote]You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.[/p][/quote]Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.[/p][/quote]No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied.[/p][/quote]I know, what an ungrateful little Goyim I am. It's like I don't know my place or something. It's been so nice of the Tories to have caused so many foodbanks to open up and down the country to satisfy peoples greed. RollandSmoke

9:56pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?
MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.
How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?
You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.
Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.
No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied.
I know, what an ungrateful little Goyim I am. It's like I don't know my place or something. It's been so nice of the Tories to have caused so many foodbanks to open up and down the country to satisfy peoples greed.
At last
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?[/p][/quote]I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?[/p][/quote]MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.[/p][/quote]How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?[/p][/quote]You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.[/p][/quote]Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.[/p][/quote]No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied.[/p][/quote]I know, what an ungrateful little Goyim I am. It's like I don't know my place or something. It's been so nice of the Tories to have caused so many foodbanks to open up and down the country to satisfy peoples greed.[/p][/quote]At last alive and awake

10:18pm Sun 8 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?
MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.
How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?
You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.
Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.
No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied.
I know, what an ungrateful little Goyim I am. It's like I don't know my place or something. It's been so nice of the Tories to have caused so many foodbanks to open up and down the country to satisfy peoples greed.
tories caused foodbanks?
how blinkered are you?
my bills have gone up so i cut luxury items like going out as much.
what are you cutting?
i work all week to pay my bills but still struggle.
shall i give up and let others pay for me?
the demon tories filled up our reserves by doing the dirty work in the 80's and early 90's and labour came in and blew the lot BUYING votes.
raided the pension pots and flogged our gold when price was down.
tell me i'm wrong?
at least tories take the cr-ap and get on with it.
i vote tory and will admit it!
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?[/p][/quote]I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?[/p][/quote]MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.[/p][/quote]How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?[/p][/quote]You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.[/p][/quote]Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.[/p][/quote]No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied.[/p][/quote]I know, what an ungrateful little Goyim I am. It's like I don't know my place or something. It's been so nice of the Tories to have caused so many foodbanks to open up and down the country to satisfy peoples greed.[/p][/quote]tories caused foodbanks? how blinkered are you? my bills have gone up so i cut luxury items like going out as much. what are you cutting? i work all week to pay my bills but still struggle. shall i give up and let others pay for me? the demon tories filled up our reserves by doing the dirty work in the 80's and early 90's and labour came in and blew the lot BUYING votes. raided the pension pots and flogged our gold when price was down. tell me i'm wrong? at least tories take the cr-ap and get on with it. i vote tory and will admit it! tinytoonster

10:21pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?
MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.
How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?
You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.
Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.
No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied.
I know, what an ungrateful little Goyim I am. It's like I don't know my place or something. It's been so nice of the Tories to have caused so many foodbanks to open up and down the country to satisfy peoples greed.
At last
Should I be punished for my failure to stay healthy thus becoming useless to the people who would like to exploit me in order for them to make more out of me than I could ever dream of? If that punishment becomes a death sentence is that a problem solved? It does solve a number of problems if you think about it. Do you think this is Cameron's final solution? Is it OK if it is? I've been slightly disingenuous in that I've said you don't answer questions. You did answer one although not from me. When asked about Eastern Europeans and what benefits they received you said "most families are getting between £25,000 and £30,000 within weeks of landing". Interesting word that "most". Would you care to back up your claims with this little thing you may have heard of called proof? It could be classed as inflammatory if it were seen that you were making unsubstantiated claims about a minority group.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?[/p][/quote]I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?[/p][/quote]MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.[/p][/quote]How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?[/p][/quote]You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.[/p][/quote]Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.[/p][/quote]No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied.[/p][/quote]I know, what an ungrateful little Goyim I am. It's like I don't know my place or something. It's been so nice of the Tories to have caused so many foodbanks to open up and down the country to satisfy peoples greed.[/p][/quote]At last[/p][/quote]Should I be punished for my failure to stay healthy thus becoming useless to the people who would like to exploit me in order for them to make more out of me than I could ever dream of? If that punishment becomes a death sentence is that a problem solved? It does solve a number of problems if you think about it. Do you think this is Cameron's final solution? Is it OK if it is? I've been slightly disingenuous in that I've said you don't answer questions. You did answer one although not from me. When asked about Eastern Europeans and what benefits they received you said "most families are getting between £25,000 and £30,000 within weeks of landing". Interesting word that "most". Would you care to back up your claims with this little thing you may have heard of called proof? It could be classed as inflammatory if it were seen that you were making unsubstantiated claims about a minority group. RollandSmoke

10:29pm Sun 8 Dec 13

alive and awake says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?
MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.
How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?
You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.
Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.
No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied.
I know, what an ungrateful little Goyim I am. It's like I don't know my place or something. It's been so nice of the Tories to have caused so many foodbanks to open up and down the country to satisfy peoples greed.
At last
Should I be punished for my failure to stay healthy thus becoming useless to the people who would like to exploit me in order for them to make more out of me than I could ever dream of? If that punishment becomes a death sentence is that a problem solved? It does solve a number of problems if you think about it. Do you think this is Cameron's final solution? Is it OK if it is? I've been slightly disingenuous in that I've said you don't answer questions. You did answer one although not from me. When asked about Eastern Europeans and what benefits they received you said "most families are getting between £25,000 and £30,000 within weeks of landing". Interesting word that "most". Would you care to back up your claims with this little thing you may have heard of called proof? It could be classed as inflammatory if it were seen that you were making unsubstantiated claims about a minority group.
Minority groups? I worry they might not be minority come January. I think your a bit upset that some people might be receiving more than you, once again your being greedy, stop it.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?[/p][/quote]I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?[/p][/quote]MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.[/p][/quote]How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?[/p][/quote]You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.[/p][/quote]Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.[/p][/quote]No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied.[/p][/quote]I know, what an ungrateful little Goyim I am. It's like I don't know my place or something. It's been so nice of the Tories to have caused so many foodbanks to open up and down the country to satisfy peoples greed.[/p][/quote]At last[/p][/quote]Should I be punished for my failure to stay healthy thus becoming useless to the people who would like to exploit me in order for them to make more out of me than I could ever dream of? If that punishment becomes a death sentence is that a problem solved? It does solve a number of problems if you think about it. Do you think this is Cameron's final solution? Is it OK if it is? I've been slightly disingenuous in that I've said you don't answer questions. You did answer one although not from me. When asked about Eastern Europeans and what benefits they received you said "most families are getting between £25,000 and £30,000 within weeks of landing". Interesting word that "most". Would you care to back up your claims with this little thing you may have heard of called proof? It could be classed as inflammatory if it were seen that you were making unsubstantiated claims about a minority group.[/p][/quote]Minority groups? I worry they might not be minority come January. I think your a bit upset that some people might be receiving more than you, once again your being greedy, stop it. alive and awake

10:38pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?
MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.
How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?
You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.
Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.
No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied.
I know, what an ungrateful little Goyim I am. It's like I don't know my place or something. It's been so nice of the Tories to have caused so many foodbanks to open up and down the country to satisfy peoples greed.
tories caused foodbanks?
how blinkered are you?
my bills have gone up so i cut luxury items like going out as much.
what are you cutting?
i work all week to pay my bills but still struggle.
shall i give up and let others pay for me?
the demon tories filled up our reserves by doing the dirty work in the 80's and early 90's and labour came in and blew the lot BUYING votes.
raided the pension pots and flogged our gold when price was down.
tell me i'm wrong?
at least tories take the cr-ap and get on with it.
i vote tory and will admit it!
Sorry to burst your bubble tinytoonbrain but it doesn't really matter if it's the Zionist friends of Israel on the left or the Zionist friends of Israel on the Right that we vote into power all we get is frontmen. Whilst the City of London remains an independent sovereign state free of UK government control we are wasting our time believing that our votes mean a great deal when it comes to controlling the economy. I do understand your frustration but when money is made from debt then it is good business sense not to allow people to get so secure that they don't have to borrow. The rise of the pay day lender is no coincidence.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?[/p][/quote]I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?[/p][/quote]MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.[/p][/quote]How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?[/p][/quote]You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.[/p][/quote]Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.[/p][/quote]No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied.[/p][/quote]I know, what an ungrateful little Goyim I am. It's like I don't know my place or something. It's been so nice of the Tories to have caused so many foodbanks to open up and down the country to satisfy peoples greed.[/p][/quote]tories caused foodbanks? how blinkered are you? my bills have gone up so i cut luxury items like going out as much. what are you cutting? i work all week to pay my bills but still struggle. shall i give up and let others pay for me? the demon tories filled up our reserves by doing the dirty work in the 80's and early 90's and labour came in and blew the lot BUYING votes. raided the pension pots and flogged our gold when price was down. tell me i'm wrong? at least tories take the cr-ap and get on with it. i vote tory and will admit it![/p][/quote]Sorry to burst your bubble tinytoonbrain but it doesn't really matter if it's the Zionist friends of Israel on the left or the Zionist friends of Israel on the Right that we vote into power all we get is frontmen. Whilst the City of London remains an independent sovereign state free of UK government control we are wasting our time believing that our votes mean a great deal when it comes to controlling the economy. I do understand your frustration but when money is made from debt then it is good business sense not to allow people to get so secure that they don't have to borrow. The rise of the pay day lender is no coincidence. RollandSmoke

11:17pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Madam meow says...

For goodness sake STOP and take stock of what you are saying, this all started in the Thatcher era when she privatised all the industries, jobs lost firms closed contracts sent abroad, the clothes you wear made in eastern countries, Russia, Poland, no work for our own as they make for next to nothing, all our industry owned by foreign businesses. Pray tell me where the jobs are as two generations have loss out. The tories started this and they have no answer to the state of the country. They make sure that they have plenty of money and no idea of the real people in this country.
For goodness sake STOP and take stock of what you are saying, this all started in the Thatcher era when she privatised all the industries, jobs lost firms closed contracts sent abroad, the clothes you wear made in eastern countries, Russia, Poland, no work for our own as they make for next to nothing, all our industry owned by foreign businesses. Pray tell me where the jobs are as two generations have loss out. The tories started this and they have no answer to the state of the country. They make sure that they have plenty of money and no idea of the real people in this country. Madam meow

11:44pm Sun 8 Dec 13

RollandSmoke says...

Madam meow wrote:
For goodness sake STOP and take stock of what you are saying, this all started in the Thatcher era when she privatised all the industries, jobs lost firms closed contracts sent abroad, the clothes you wear made in eastern countries, Russia, Poland, no work for our own as they make for next to nothing, all our industry owned by foreign businesses. Pray tell me where the jobs are as two generations have loss out. The tories started this and they have no answer to the state of the country. They make sure that they have plenty of money and no idea of the real people in this country.
Who calls the shots in Her Majesty's Government? Who are they answerable to? The electorate? Thatcherism is all we've known till this day. Different puppets may have taken to the stage and are currently playing the pantomime baddies giving the peasants a kicking. But we haven't suddenly lost the ability to manufacture things. Overall the British are quite a resourceful and fairly intelligent breed of ape. The Banks control the lending, who controls the banks? I wonder if there is any link to Her Majesty? It's all a game and it is not played for the benefit of us. We just enable it.
[quote][p][bold]Madam meow[/bold] wrote: For goodness sake STOP and take stock of what you are saying, this all started in the Thatcher era when she privatised all the industries, jobs lost firms closed contracts sent abroad, the clothes you wear made in eastern countries, Russia, Poland, no work for our own as they make for next to nothing, all our industry owned by foreign businesses. Pray tell me where the jobs are as two generations have loss out. The tories started this and they have no answer to the state of the country. They make sure that they have plenty of money and no idea of the real people in this country.[/p][/quote]Who calls the shots in Her Majesty's Government? Who are they answerable to? The electorate? Thatcherism is all we've known till this day. Different puppets may have taken to the stage and are currently playing the pantomime baddies giving the peasants a kicking. But we haven't suddenly lost the ability to manufacture things. Overall the British are quite a resourceful and fairly intelligent breed of ape. The Banks control the lending, who controls the banks? I wonder if there is any link to Her Majesty? It's all a game and it is not played for the benefit of us. We just enable it. RollandSmoke

10:07am Fri 13 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
alive and awake wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.
You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful
Declare your party membership shill.
Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?
I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?
MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.
How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?
You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.
Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.
No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied.
I know, what an ungrateful little Goyim I am. It's like I don't know my place or something. It's been so nice of the Tories to have caused so many foodbanks to open up and down the country to satisfy peoples greed.
tories caused foodbanks?
how blinkered are you?
my bills have gone up so i cut luxury items like going out as much.
what are you cutting?
i work all week to pay my bills but still struggle.
shall i give up and let others pay for me?
the demon tories filled up our reserves by doing the dirty work in the 80's and early 90's and labour came in and blew the lot BUYING votes.
raided the pension pots and flogged our gold when price was down.
tell me i'm wrong?
at least tories take the cr-ap and get on with it.
i vote tory and will admit it!
Sorry to burst your bubble tinytoonbrain but it doesn't really matter if it's the Zionist friends of Israel on the left or the Zionist friends of Israel on the Right that we vote into power all we get is frontmen. Whilst the City of London remains an independent sovereign state free of UK government control we are wasting our time believing that our votes mean a great deal when it comes to controlling the economy. I do understand your frustration but when money is made from debt then it is good business sense not to allow people to get so secure that they don't have to borrow. The rise of the pay day lender is no coincidence.
Please please please carry this debate on

Rollie responses are top notch laugh out loud in this thread

His/ Her ignorance of any actual reality is hilarious
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: Yes it's obvious why as I have told everyone on here on many occasions that I'm classed as unfit for work by a company handed £100 million per year to make that decision. As they have found countless of people fit for work when it's obvious they are not then for them to find me unfit suggests there may be problems don't you think? Oh sorry I forgot you don't. I don't believe your pretense that you are blind and incapable of rational thought and can only conclude that you are a shill. Declare your party membership shill. The deception of the T&A readership disgusts me.[/p][/quote]You really are so shallow, but quite typical, I can;t understand why you are so ungrateful[/p][/quote]Declare your party membership shill.[/p][/quote]Why call me a shill? I am quite open with my thoughts, and have no elegance to any party or sect. I ask again why are you so ungrateful?[/p][/quote]I, like many others, am much worse off under the Tories, not that I had much to start with. Many have taken their own lives due to the pressure this has put them under and you want people to show their gratitude? Are you sick?[/p][/quote]MEMEMEME stop being selfish OF COURSE YOU ARE WORSE OFF, we all are ffs, because of Labours bad management of our finances. I know ordinary people who have lost £100,000 + over the last 6 years pension pots ruined. He who has nothing has nothing to lose. He with a bit has everything to lose.[/p][/quote]How much would these "ordinary people" have lost from their pension funds had the banks been allowed to collapse which I presume is what you believe the Tories would have done? "Over the last 6 years pension pots ruined" so what have the Tories done in the last 3 years to change this? If these "ordinary people" have pension pots of £100,000+ is it safe to assume that they have benefited from a 5% tax cut? Or that they would have done had they not been doing everything they could to avoid paying tax?[/p][/quote]You clearly have lost the script and are now talking silly, you have no knowledge of the real world, or finance, and I am beginning to feel a bit sorry for you.[/p][/quote]Well you could always enlighten me but that would involve answering my questions and as you have quite adequately proved you don't answer questions.[/p][/quote]No one could ever teach you, you have been spoiled and as a result become greedy, like a lot more free loaders, its sad but a fact, you will never ever be satisfied.[/p][/quote]I know, what an ungrateful little Goyim I am. It's like I don't know my place or something. It's been so nice of the Tories to have caused so many foodbanks to open up and down the country to satisfy peoples greed.[/p][/quote]tories caused foodbanks? how blinkered are you? my bills have gone up so i cut luxury items like going out as much. what are you cutting? i work all week to pay my bills but still struggle. shall i give up and let others pay for me? the demon tories filled up our reserves by doing the dirty work in the 80's and early 90's and labour came in and blew the lot BUYING votes. raided the pension pots and flogged our gold when price was down. tell me i'm wrong? at least tories take the cr-ap and get on with it. i vote tory and will admit it![/p][/quote]Sorry to burst your bubble tinytoonbrain but it doesn't really matter if it's the Zionist friends of Israel on the left or the Zionist friends of Israel on the Right that we vote into power all we get is frontmen. Whilst the City of London remains an independent sovereign state free of UK government control we are wasting our time believing that our votes mean a great deal when it comes to controlling the economy. I do understand your frustration but when money is made from debt then it is good business sense not to allow people to get so secure that they don't have to borrow. The rise of the pay day lender is no coincidence.[/p][/quote]Please please please carry this debate on Rollie responses are top notch laugh out loud in this thread His/ Her ignorance of any actual reality is hilarious Andy2010

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